2000-2004 Archived Reports

[Roman]

I don't monger at night. Too dangerous. So by going during the
day, I get to park away from the location of the bust, i.e.
the parking lot behind the AMP.

This has worked for me for 25 years.

Clean and Unbusted (still have my car too.)

ROMAN

[ChiMan II]

Ok guys, if you go any night time too an AMP in Inglewood it makes sense too park close too the place especially when there is a guard too watch the parking lot. I dont think is it a smart idea too walk around there at night time. Especially if you are white. Be safe. If they get your plate you say you got a flat. Use your imagination.

[nai]

That begs the question: why even park at an MP to begin with?...
ROMAN

Often the MP parking seems like the less risky choice either because of the neighborhood or to keep your car out of view from someone you might know passing by.

[Shark in OC]

AizenMyoo wrote:

"So if none of your testimony can be used to incriminate you, then it makes no sense to say “I refuse to testify on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate me” and one is not permitted to both accept the grant of immunity and to plead the fifth. Of course you can refuse to sign the grant of immunity and then plead the 5th, but what would be the point? Usually the prosecutors have no desire to ever charge the people who are called to testify to the GJ. In this case, the girls and the johns were the small fry. The prosecutors only wanted to use them to obtain evidence against the primary target, the MP owner. "

Aizen, respectfully, while I feel for what you went through, and I know you were scared at the time, with the possibility of your family find out and all, but you ask "what would be the point" to not testifying. Well, HOW ABOUT A SENSE OF LOYALTY TO THE GIRLS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT, AS WELL AS OTHER MONGERS WHO MIGHT BE IN TROUBLE DIRECTLY FROM THE PROCEEDINGS. No, you definately should not lie in the proceeding. Just tell thke prosecutor that you have no relevant information, and you are afraid that something you say could be used against you. I would be more afraid of that, immunity or not, as your testimony may tarnish your reputation in the community.

I know that the defendants (the girls, the MP owner) have nothing to do with you, but you were a customer, and they supposedly provided a service to you. Don't you have an conscience about that? Did you get to know any of the girls that you were having sex with personally? How do you treat the girls. They are humans too, who have been put in a situation where they have to have sex for a living. You take advantage of that because you have the money to do so, and your attitude is that you will testify against them because you have a "who cares" attitude?

Please, think about what you are doing fellas. There is NO REASON you have to testify. You don't need to have a lawyer with you in the proceedings to know that. Don't answer ANY question, except your name. If they ask, "was your car in the parking lot on such and such date," just take the 5th. If they ask, do you go to MPs often, just take the 5th. Keep on doing it.

If they offer you immunity, just say that you feel you have nothing for which you need immunity. Don't sign it.

-Shark-

[Shark in OC]

Roman,

Respectfully, are you suggesting that we park down the street from the MP? So you park down the street, and walk up to the MP.

A couple of things wrong with this. First of all, if the MP does not know you well, this just seems strange, and mamasan will probably not be so accomidating util she knows you.

2nd, in the areas where some of these MPs are located, you might be taking your life, and your car, in danager if you don't park in the lot. For example, at LS, there are guards, and they are really cool, and take care of your car for you. I got to know me pretty well, and I fond memories of hanging out in the parking lot a little bit with the guards, Shadow, and Jasmine.

I even went there once when the police where there. The were filling out some kind of report (regarding a theft or trouble in the neigborhood). They were not there to hastle the girls or the mongers.

I respect your opinion Roman, but your idea is a bit impractical. Again, a license plate number taken in a parking lot can not be used to charge or convict anybody ligitemately. I will comment on Aizen's post in another post.

-Shark-

[Roman]

That begs the question: why even park at an MP to begin with?

It's inviting trouble. After all, you don't leave your car stereo key
in the panel when you park. You take it out and put it away from
view. Just do the same with the car overall.

Wise up.

ROMAN

[AizenMyoo]

I don’t want to make a big thing of the issue of recording of license numbers. I basically agree with what several people have posted, that for someone to have a picture of your license in the parking lot of a MP proves nothing. In the EXTREMELY rare case where one might get called to a grand jury investigation because of a license plate number having been recorded in a parking lot, well this can be a problem because of wives, girl friends, bosses, etc., but legally it proves nothing.

Since I originally brought it up, I want to make some comments about the institution of the grand jury (GJ) itself. Webcams wrote about MPs ,“From Everything I hear, Most people don't really know what goes on in those places, . . . “. The same thing could be said about GJs, most people don’t really know what goes on there. It is not at all like a regular criminal or civil trial that one sees in movies or while on jury duty or as a participant, with lawyers arguing every issue, with elaborate rules for what can be admitted or not admitted, etc. In a GJ there are no defense lawyers at all, only someone asking questions, and they can ask anything they want! Someone else referred to the GJ as an inquisition. That is really what it is.

Marlowe wrote “They don’t have a right to a fishing expedition at your expense.” Unfortunately, legally that is EXACTLY the right they do have. The whole purpose of a GJ investigation is to extract information from usually unwilling participants. It IS a fishing expedition and as a person forced to testify, your rights are very limited.

Several people suggested to always plead the 5th. One can do that, but the people who operate GJs figured out that issue years ago. It is something called “immunity”. They produce a legally binding document which says that nothing you say in your testimony can be used against you in the future. So if none of your testimony can be used to incriminate you, then it makes no sense to say “I refuse to testify on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate me” and one is not permitted to both accept the grant of immunity and to plead the fifth. Of course you can refuse to sign the grant of immunity and then plead the 5th, but what would be the point? Usually the prosecutors have no desire to ever charge the people who are called to testify to the GJ. In this case, the girls and the johns were the small fry. The prosecutors only wanted to use them to obtain evidence against the primary target, the MP owner.

Once one has accepted the grant of immunity, there is still the possibility to answer the questions truthfully or to lie. Why would anyone want to lie, since they have been granted immunity? A. The proceedings are supposed to be completely secret, but if you were testifying against, for example, a mob boss, would you want to take a chance on the secrecy? B. The proceedings are secret at the time, but if the prosecutor decided to use the evidence collected by the GJ to file criminal charges against the target (the MP owner), then the same people who testified at the GJ might be called back to testify at the criminal trial. If one provided really good evidence during the GJ, the chances are high they would be called back to the regular criminal trial. Obviously many of the girls and the johns would like to avoid being called to testify about this in open court.

So why not just deny everything to avoid the possibility of later being called to appear at a criminal trial? Because then there is the possibility of being charged with perjury which can lead to really severe penalties. Even if one had initially done nothing illegal they can still end up in deep shit if they are convicted of perjury.

Several people have also posted about not answering anything without a lawyer. What Hapshida said was also what I found. A lawyer cannot go in to the inquisition chamber with you at a GJ. I actually paid an initial fee to one lawyer for advice. He was like something out of a horror movie and only tried to scare me in to thinking I would be a fool to go there without him. He wanted $2500.00 just to accompany me and sit outside the chamber. Another lawyer, a Beverly Hills lawyer at that, explained to me much of what I have written about the GJ above. Fortunately I did not have to pay his fees.

I apologize for the long post, which is kind of off the main topic, but since it relates to our hobby I hope it is OK.

[Webcams]

Luckily my wife never found out, but it could have been really embarrassing if she had answered the door for the summons rather than me being fortunate enough to be at home and going out to greet the summons presenter.
AizenMyoo

From Everything I hear, Most people don't really know what goes on in those places, and many of us have been to legit places.

Remember they do offer massage after all.

If you are married maybe it's time to spring the bad back thing and set up an alibi for the future, sure it won't help you if your caught in the act. but if anyone ever see's you there you have an excuse. After all the only way someone would know what happens there is by being there themselves.

My 0.02 ¢

Be Safe | Have fun.

[Incog Neto]

Monday, 11:10 PM Century Blvd.

Hey kids,

Just an observation here about mongering driving habits.

I watched this guy do a series of moves on Century Blvd, in a HEAVY effort to pick up this hottie WSW.

1) He was at first driving on the far right lane of the road, cruising literally about 15 MPH.

2) He spots the hottie, then immediately drops a U-Turn right there in the middle of the street with no intersections around.

3) Then he shoots over 3 lanes while..

4) .. cutting off this big white SUV.

5) Then HONKS.

6) THEN stops on the side to pick her up.

She didn't get in, I certainly didn't blame her.

Look, I know that the hottie WSW's are a rarity, but do these guys realize the attention they're drawing toward themselves?

He could've just as easily bolted a large bright yellow sign on the top of his T-Tops blinking: "Hi! I'm going Ho'n, look at me!"

Incog

[Amper]

I wanted to try Tammy, so I was heading to LP after work, got there around 7pm, and mamasan said "Tammy no work today, we have 6 oriental girl and 3 spanish girl" so i ended up with Hanra, late 20's may be early 30's, face 6.5, body 7.5, service 8.5. When she came in, I immediately grab her ass, and begin DATY, CBJ, 69, then procede my routine. (a little GFE) After 15 min of workout, she lay on top of me, we rest and chat for about 15 min. Finally, she said "i give you massage" for about another 10 min. Total= $.5/$1 for 40 min for joy.

She said that she is gonna continue working there for another year, she also mention that she already had 150k saved up. WOW... these girls are really making the money~ shoot!! Myself, graduated in college 6 yrs ago, and still not being able to save a penny.

[Hapshida]

Now that is fucking SCARY! I would only be at a grand jury hearing with a lawyer by my side! Hell its bad enough to get called for the INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE of SERVING on one, without having to be forced to testify BEFORE ONE! And how long has Swedish been closed? Years at least!

You are not allowed to have a lawyer by your side at a Grand Jury inquisition. You can have one outside the room and ask to consult with him/her after each question is asked of you, but they cannot be in the room with you. Like has been mentioned, you are best off to just plead the 5th (after consulting your lawyer after each question is asked of you that is.)

[Shark in OC]

By the way, one more, and final, point on this.

It is easy to intimidate the girls who have INS status problems, which a good percentage of them do in these joints. Also, none of the file taxes, so they can even use that against them to scare them.

Shark

[Shark in OC]

Redneck makes a good point (although it's hard to admit since I am a Black man, LOL). The big difference between having a picture taken by the infamous red-light cams, and having your license plat recorded, is that the former catches and films you performing an illegal act. It would be as if OJ had been filmed actually killing his ex-wife and the other guy. As for the latter, the there is no illegal act being recorded or filmed. Hell, they could have tape of you walking in, picking out a girl, and walking out afterwords. It would be the inbetween acts that would need to be filmed, and you still may have some defenses if you play your cards right: e.g. the tip was for the message, she likes to have sex separately at work with her customers. Of course, that would be a hard defense.

But fellas, please, don't let them intimidate you into testifying. Pleading the wonderful 5th Amendment to our Constitution would only be an admission to your wife if she finds out you are going downtown to testify for the day, but not an admission in the criminal justice system.

The subpeona only requires you to be available for testimony. You may even tell the prosecution beforehand that you are not going to sing any song. They might just forget about you, and go to the next sucker who does not have a good lawyer.

Shark

[JankyFreak]

Fellow Mongers

Any one been to Redondo Therapy recently? Since I've found apartment amps in SGV and AMP in BP on Maine Street I have not been recently to RT.

And my ATF Cindy left there about 12 months ago..

-JF

[Shark in OC]

Okay, they will try to use the license plate, but why did not just plead the 5th?

Let it be a lesson, if nobody testifies, nobody gets convicted.

Shark