"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Viktor213]

I started fishing again through CL for non-pros, single mums or college students seeking financial assistance in the major Atlanta area and have notice two trends (discussed before in other threads):

1) Their expectations in terms of compensation have skyrocketed. Before a single, 30 something years-old mum, would happily take my. 80 roses offer for at least one hour of their time. I am now dealing with 40 or 50 years old that want at least 1. 50 for their troubles.

2) When turning my offer down, the most common argument is "I have received better offers from other men!" They even want to have some gas money to meet first in a public place.

This can well be the fact that most non-pro have moved to other sites like PoF, Kink, tagged, etc. Or simply the local economy has picked up so they have more options. However, I also think the demand across the board for pros & non-pros have also skyrocketed. Whatever it is, it's become quite difficult to engage these women.

Haven't seen the same thing. I don't post on CL but there is lots of talent offering time for less. If you like white, spinner types then yes their rates have not gone down and the people replying to your post were probably pros.

Viktor.

[Hornyg]

I started fishing again through CL for non-pros, single mums or college students seeking financial assistance in the major Atlanta area and have notice two trends (discussed before in other threads):

1) Their expectations in terms of compensation have skyrocketed. Before a single, 30 something years-old mum, would happily take my. 80 roses offer for at least one hour of their time. I am now dealing with 40 or 50 years old that want at least 1. 50 for their troubles.

2) When turning my offer down, the most common argument is "I have received better offers from other men!" They even want to have some gas money to meet first in a public place.

This can well be the fact that most non-pro have moved to other sites like PoF, Kink, tagged, etc. Or simply the local economy has picked up so they have more options. However, I also think the demand across the board for pros & non-pros have also skyrocketed. Whatever it is, it's become quite difficult to engage these women.

[Gashy Guy]

I recently had some luck via Plenty of Fish. Young single mothers are really hurting for the coin around this time of year. I dreamt I was able to receive a very excellent BBBJ in the back of a young mother's van a couple days ago. Redhead piece of white trash but her BBBJ skills were out of this world.

Do you have contact info you can PM to me?

Thanks!

[Mr.Inch]

I recently had some luck via Plenty of Fish. Young single mothers are really hurting for the coin around this time of year. I dreamt I was able to receive a very excellent BBBJ in the back of a young mother's van a couple days ago. Redhead piece of white trash but her BBBJ skills were out of this world.

What's her screen name, won't mention anything to her.

[GetHot17]

I recently had some luck via Plenty of Fish. Young single mothers are really hurting for the coin around this time of year. I dreamt I was able to receive a very excellent BBBJ in the back of a young mother's van a couple days ago. Redhead piece of white trash but her BBBJ skills were out of this world.

[Mike7794]

If you do a search of my previous posts, you'll find one I did in 2012 after my first UTR hook up through CL. I have hooked up with at least 30 (give or take) other ladies since then. Around 25 of them were just a one date thing and prices ranged from 45 to 200 for unlimited time, multiple pops at their location. The other 5 were just plain crazy sluts that wanted cock.

Now, some maths, for each successful hook up, I probably dealt with 3-5 time wasters, flaky college students, and ladies with GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome) asking for 400 for 1-hour of their time, or 1000 'allowance' each moth. Screw that! I've been stood up about 10 times (after driving up to 1 hour), dealt with detectives impersonating a woman seeking a NSA encounter and then trying to find out who I was so they can extort money from me so they don't tell the misus, scammers, spammers, and potential stalkers, etc. , etc. , etc. But for me all is worth it for some high-quality experience with women that in another life, I would have happily hooked up with without monetary compensation.

I've learnt a lot through these experiences. I can now spot a scammer / detective ad from miles away, immediately can weed out the respondents that will be time wasters, and more importantly, I also learnt to pace myself and protect my privacy. Unlike the BP providers, these chicks do care about looks and you must have something going on for yourself. Regardless of social status, if you come across as a well-spoken gentlemen, no creepy, just a nice guy, they'll sleep with you. I found out that women like fantasies, they don't get turn on by images as we men do, but by detailed descriptions of yourself, previous experiences, and what you plan to do to them (long e-mails). Remember those school teacher that told you how important grammar and writing was, well, they were preparing us to get lucky!

I never discussed donations through texting, e-mailing, etc. I always meet them in a public place first and tell them "we'll discuss details then", have a normal conversation first about the weather, local politics, nice restaurants in the area, travels, their hobbies, etc. After they have seen you are just a 'normal guy' they pretty much will take whatever you offer them. Another thing I also learnt is that they disappear from your life as quickly as they appeared, so you can't get attached in any form to anyone.

The secret of these pursuits is simply put as: PATIENCE.

Like hunting, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but the pursuit is perhaps better than the killing. LOL.

Well said. It was interesting to read that you encountered LE on a sugar site?

[Hornyg]

If you do a search of my previous posts, you'll find one I did in 2012 after my first UTR hook up through CL. I have hooked up with at least 30 (give or take) other ladies since then. Around 25 of them were just a one date thing and prices ranged from 45 to 200 for unlimited time, multiple pops at their location. The other 5 were just plain crazy sluts that wanted cock.

Now, some maths, for each successful hook up, I probably dealt with 3-5 time wasters, flaky college students, and ladies with GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome) asking for 400 for 1-hour of their time, or 1000 'allowance' each moth. Screw that! I've been stood up about 10 times (after driving up to 1 hour), dealt with detectives impersonating a woman seeking a NSA encounter and then trying to find out who I was so they can extort money from me so they don't tell the misus, scammers, spammers, and potential stalkers, etc. , etc. , etc. But for me all is worth it for some high-quality experience with women that in another life, I would have happily hooked up with without monetary compensation.

I've learnt a lot through these experiences. I can now spot a scammer / detective ad from miles away, immediately can weed out the respondents that will be time wasters, and more importantly, I also learnt to pace myself and protect my privacy. Unlike the BP providers, these chicks do care about looks and you must have something going on for yourself. Regardless of social status, if you come across as a well-spoken gentlemen, no creepy, just a nice guy, they'll sleep with you. I found out that women like fantasies, they don't get turn on by images as we men do, but by detailed descriptions of yourself, previous experiences, and what you plan to do to them (long e-mails). Remember those school teacher that told you how important grammar and writing was, well, they were preparing us to get lucky!

I never discussed donations through texting, e-mailing, etc. I always meet them in a public place first and tell them "we'll discuss details then", have a normal conversation first about the weather, local politics, nice restaurants in the area, travels, their hobbies, etc. After they have seen you are just a 'normal guy' they pretty much will take whatever you offer them. Another thing I also learnt is that they disappear from your life as quickly as they appeared, so you can't get attached in any form to anyone.

The secret of these pursuits is simply put as: PATIENCE.

Like hunting, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but the pursuit is perhaps better than the killing. LOL.

[ReaperGuy]

Steak I feel that. You read my posts and you know that I am big on part timers for the reasons you state. So the question is is there a way to get quality non pro civilians into your stable. For me the answer is yes. I don't have time or patience for CL, Tagged, AFF, and shit like that. I want to deal with women that are not full time pros but accessible and reasonably priced. If SD sites work for you cool. For me BP ads is the men for women section is pure gold. I have women from all over the city that are all races and all builds hitting me up. Not bragging and not talking shit. Since they're hitting me up I have the negotiating power.

Same as the SD girls they wouldn't be out there if they didn't need help.

Happy Safe Hunting.

I usually post in the Richmond SB / SD forum since it's extremely active with people across the US posting in it. I've had a good bit of luck with SA, I tend to ignore the other sites like SD4 M as you're more likely to hit pure UTRs. I've even found girls posting that also have ads up on Backpage, same pictures and all. You can definitely find what you're looking for on there, it just takes some time and searching. Per usual don't believe a word a woman says or writes, just hit her up with your amount and see what sticks. I've had some very nice looking girls take 100-150 a date, just be prepared to lay the law down if things aren't going how you want.

[Viktor213]

Exactly. The whole point behind finding SBs is to find a few gems that are down for an arrangement but aren't on BP or the street seeing dozens of guys a week. You shouldn't be naive and think you are the only guy they are seeing but the volume should be much lower. The tradeoff is you have to spend time weeding thru a bunch on "prospects" ("suspects" to find the good ones.

Steak I feel that. You read my posts and you know that I am big on part timers for the reasons you state. So the question is is there a way to get quality non pro civilians into your stable. For me the answer is yes. I don't have time or patience for CL, Tagged, AFF, and shit like that. I want to deal with women that are not full time pros but accessible and reasonably priced. If SD sites work for you cool. For me BP ads is the men for women section is pure gold. I have women from all over the city that are all races and all builds hitting me up. Not bragging and not talking shit. Since they're hitting me up I have the negotiating power.

Same as the SD girls they wouldn't be out there if they didn't need help.

Happy Safe Hunting.

[Viktor213]

I'm confused. How is $500 per month a bad price for a nonpro SB? See her at least once a week and you're at $125 per visit. Since she's a non-pro she's not likely to have you on the clock like an escort would, at least that's been my experience. Like anything, you get what you pay for. In most cases the college hottie that has great tits and an ass you can bounce quarters off of is going to be a LOT more expensive than the 25-35 yr old mom with kids that's looking for some help with grocery money. Go figure. But a lot of moms are great at sucking cock and will let you do whatever as many times as you'd like. Not a bad deal in my book.

The SD sites like Seeking Arrangement and Sugar Daddy for Me work. But it does take a lot of time and work on your part. Look through this thread. There are some great suggestions about how to approach them. Sign up for 30 days and see how it goes. It will take time, perhaps even a few weeks before you can set up your first meet or date. It's not like backpage, at least with the non-pros.

Sorry for the late reply. As always dudes do what's best for their game so if it's working for you more power. I say that without hate. Based on my time on those sites "support" expectations were closer to $1100 per month. $500 was suggested by some BP pros that also post there. (After you start corresponding and get an email address you find them with BP ads) I have an issue with $125 per visit. Yes there are some decent BP providers that would do GFE for $125 per visit. But more importantly I run my own ads on BP and I get spinners (not my thing) and college girl non-pros hitting me up and most would jump at $500 a month. So in my humble opinion the same situation the SD sites are looking for can be built on your own for little cost and better pricing with same result.

Currently trading emails with a college girl now. She's asking for $300. But Again if it's working for you do it.

[Slo Mo]

I'm aware of the whole hacking incident, but who all on here has had any luck with Ashley Madison? I love the concept but was it a nice amount of hot chick's to choose from?

[Steak 404]

I'm confused. How is $500 per month a bad price for a nonpro SB? See her at least once a week and you're at $125 per visit. Since she's a non-pro she's not likely to have you on the clock like an escort would, at least that's been my experience. Like anything, you get what you pay for. In most cases the college hottie that has great tits and an ass you can bounce quarters off of is going to be a LOT more expensive than the 25-35 yr old mom with kids that's looking for some help with grocery money. Go figure. But a lot of moms are great at sucking cock and will let you do whatever as many times as you'd like. Not a bad deal in my book.

The SD sites like Seeking Arrangement and Sugar Daddy for Me work. But it does take a lot of time and work on your part. Look through this thread. There are some great suggestions about how to approach them. Sign up for 30 days and see how it goes. It will take time, perhaps even a few weeks before you can set up your first meet or date. It's not like backpage, at least with the non-pros.

Exactly. The whole point behind finding SBs is to find a few gems that are down for an arrangement but aren't on BP or the street seeing dozens of guys a week. You shouldn't be naive and think you are the only guy they are seeing but the volume should be much lower. The tradeoff is you have to spend time weeding thru a bunch on "prospects" ("suspects" to find the good ones.

[Harley32]

The SD sites are a waste of time in my opinion. The idea is sound but the nonpro women really believe they are worth $500 to $2 k per month. A lot of nonpros are attractive college age women that believe they can find an SD to take care of them while they go to school. Some can. That was the biggest issue I had found. Found 1 moderately attractive women and contacted her about an initial meet and greet. She wanted $75 for that.

Some of the onlinebootycall and AFF sites have part time and full time pros that will offer decent value. But a lot of the same people are already on CL and BP.

Good luck.

I'm confused. How is $500 per month a bad price for a nonpro SB? See her at least once a week and you're at $125 per visit. Since she's a non-pro she's not likely to have you on the clock like an escort would, at least that's been my experience. Like anything, you get what you pay for. In most cases the college hottie that has great tits and an ass you can bounce quarters off of is going to be a LOT more expensive than the 25-35 yr old mom with kids that's looking for some help with grocery money. Go figure. But a lot of moms are great at sucking cock and will let you do whatever as many times as you'd like. Not a bad deal in my book.

The SD sites like Seeking Arrangement and Sugar Daddy for Me work. But it does take a lot of time and work on your part. Look through this thread. There are some great suggestions about how to approach them. Sign up for 30 days and see how it goes. It will take time, perhaps even a few weeks before you can set up your first meet or date. It's not like backpage, at least with the non-pros.

[BigMoney21]

I really don't know what race you guys are and nor what race you guys prefer. But from what I've been seeing its not that hard to find a sugar baby in Metro Atlanta. I'm a Latino brother of Puerto Rican descent and as a black man I know where to go to find women who'll do that type of stuff and live up to they word. Unlike taking a hit from that sugar baby website. Metropolitan st area is infamous for petty sugar babies, I run into the little young ones all the time. West end mall is another location and so is cascade rd. Oakland city area is another location, if sugar babing thots is not your thing how about being over in Edgewood ave area and Bugalos on Ponce. Really Zone 5 period is a nice area too pick up more classy looking sisters. I ran into some at Stone Crest mall and from the looks of things South Dekalb can be another one. I even met some in Gwinnett who was looking for getting their bills, if you're looking for the Asian ones who can date black guys without getting stigmatized by there families Clayco will be your best bet. My suggestion to you is too approach a woman with confidence and let it be known what you're trying to do and see I'd she's down for. I can only see myself doing such a thing for a young innocent looking one at least a hot slim looking 19 yr old if and only if I had the money but LOL I'm broke.

[Viktor213]

OK I've tried all the other sites like AFF, POF, Tagged etc and I've haven't had ANY luck whatsoever. I was browsing through the Sugar daddy site and I see it's 60% hot chicks on there, wow! I plan on taking some time and creating a profile and I'm going to get creative. One small problem, I'm not rich! LOL does anyone have any suggestions or some solid investment ideas so I can become rich overnight? LOL feel free to PM me if you must. I've been in Atlanta 6 months and I'm still trying to find my "niche". Thanks.

The SD sites are a waste of time in my opinion. The idea is sound but the nonpro women really believe they are worth $500 to $2 k per month. A lot of nonpros are attractive college age women that believe they can find an SD to take care of them while they go to school. Some can. That was the biggest issue I had found. Found 1 moderately attractive women and contacted her about an initial meet and greet. She wanted $75 for that.

Some of the onlinebootycall and AFF sites have part time and full time pros that will offer decent value. But a lot of the same people are already on CL and BP.

Good luck.