"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**NewAnonymousName** · 07-11-20 20:20

Originally Posted by ParrotScope [View Original Post]

I hear what you're saying, so be it.

I don't believe it takes all that much time, but you are hung up on that. You can get something good without sinking, and without wasting a lot of time. That's the angle a lot of you condescending gents like to take.

I'm definitely not rich, but I am NOT a blue collar worker (though I was before.) I earn upwards of 70 k, with no debt, children, and I'm under 30. That's enough money to afford the over-priced providers. I just refuse to be a simp.

Paying 300 for a session wouldn't break the bank, but afterwards I would feel like a clown for spending that much. For just an experience. Not an item or something you can use next week. A one time experience for only about 30 minutes.

It's funny the condescending angle most guys take to justify wasting valuable dollars on used up rental kitty. Blah blah I'm sooooooo rich, my time is more. Vakuable than yours.

I know the value of a dollar, and I know the value of these "classy" women. That's why I won't waste too much on them, and I got to keep my dignity.

Like I said it's just beating a dead horse. Only death will change the behavior. Continue simping and saving your valuable time.

Many of these big spenders get scammed frequently as well.

I refuse to be a clown, but not everyone thinks this way. That is just my philosophy.

I was mistaken when I said I wouldn't respond again. I apologize to the board. Sometimes my best intentions go sideways.

You're probably right that you can be just as successful in this game by spending less money while using good skills and putting in the time. But unless you left a zero off of your income, you simply don't understand the value of money from the perspective of business executives, consultants, doctors, lawyers, and other highly compensated professionals. Someday, if you are working a ton, have kids or other hobbies (or both), and are earning 5 times as much money as you are now (or more), I strongly suspect the value you place on money versus time will change significantly, along with a lot of other value judgments about money. For example, I used to think $100+ bottles of wine, Bones' steaks, and high end hotels weren't worth it either. I enjoy all of them now that the up charge for them doesn't cause me any heartburn. And I'm cheap compared to my professional peer group.

What you consider being a simp, I consider to be putting my modestly high income and wealth to good use. And if I hit the lottery and suddenly have $50 million at my disposal, I'll start spending even more to get exactly the SBs I want regardless of price.

**Parrot Scope** · 07-11-20 13:26

Originally Posted by CuriousInquir [View Original Post]

It appears you missed the point of my post. My approach isn't "right" or wrong. Neither is yours. If you want to spend tons of time tracking down quality SBs at low prices, you should. I don't have time for that approach, and I can afford to pay more to avoid sinking so much time into the chase. It seems your frustration is that my and others' willingness to pay more for young hotties makes it tougher for you to land them for less. That's not my problem. I'm not interested in keeping prices low for you or anyone else. I'm interested in having great sex with hot women in their 20's without spending all of my free time on finding them. An extra $100 per session is worth it for me to achieve a higher success rate in less time.

When I talk to an incredibly gorgeous woman who wants an absurd allowance, I dont blame the guy with $50 million whos willing to pay her that much. I tell her no thanks and move on. Its not the rich guys fault. Its my fault that I dont want to pay so much. Likewise, its not my fault that you cant get every SB on the cheap.

I hear what you're saying, so be it.

I don't believe it takes all that much time, but you are hung up on that. You can get something good without sinking, and without wasting a lot of time. That's the angle a lot of you condescending gents like to take.

I'm definitely not rich, but I am NOT a blue collar worker (though I was before.) I earn upwards of 70 k, with no debt, children, and I'm under 30. That's enough money to afford the over-priced providers. I just refuse to be a simp.

Paying 300 for a session wouldn't break the bank, but afterwards I would feel like a clown for spending that much. For just an experience. Not an item or something you can use next week. A one time experience for only about 30 minutes.

It's funny the condescending angle most guys take to justify wasting valuable dollars on used up rental kitty. Blah blah I'm sooooooo rich, my time is more. Vakuable than yours.

I know the value of a dollar, and I know the value of these "classy" women. That's why I won't waste too much on them, and I got to keep my dignity.

Like I said it's just beating a dead horse. Only death will change the behavior. Continue simping and saving your valuable time.

Many of these big spenders get scammed frequently as well.

I refuse to be a clown, but not everyone thinks this way. That is just my philosophy.

**NewAnonymousName** · 07-10-20 12:54

Originally Posted by SilentK69 [View Original Post]

I fully agree with you. For those that are used to the SW budget can keep to that and there's no issue with that. I mean we all want to eat the apple pie how we choose to eat it and with what toppings is everyone's choice. Also I don't get how we went from "just sharing pics" to this being such an issue LOL.

It's my fault. I responded (twice) when I could have ignored the posts saying that those of us with more money and less time are merely simps. I'll drop it now even if others don't. I've made my point and others disagree, which is fine.

**CuriousJorge** · 07-10-20 09:29

Economically, I get parrotScope frustration. Its like with any market, low demand generate better pricing on the supply. Keeps the "value", in a sense, realistic. I think his argument is this: Yes you can pay it and save on time but the more of us who follow this example, more inflated the price becomes for less action. Yeah everyone else outside this board maybe paying a lot, but some would least expect the people on the board here would be different in that regard and I think that's his key point (correct me if I'm wrong).

If paying 250 gets you action today, what's the price tomorrow? And honestly most of these women are cash hungry on these site but catch them at a kroger on a random day and watch how some change who they are.

Personally, I get CuriousInquir explanation. Whether or not if you should be concerned as a individual is really up to you. As you can see, if you got the money and you want it, why should I worry about everyone else? Information here doesn't constitute that you to a discount (obviously). It just points you to the girls. Your own negotiation skills should handle the rest.

Something I read in a book about getting women that author made a point on was, we're all in this together so the way the last guy treats a woman is going to affect the next guy. Thats more truer in this game I feel. Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by HaneDales [View Original Post]

You are most likely right on this. There are people who think otherwise but if we talking economics and rants, why'all know where this goes.

**Shizzy6969** · 07-10-20 09:11

I think the best you can do is lay out the expectation as you have done already. There no point in beatung around the Bush. I also go though some basic understanding of the relationship, expectation and allowance and I think that had served me well.

Originally Posted by NikkaNamedSlik [View Original Post]

How do why'all deal with the girls who don't want to be paid for sex? I keep running into women on these sites that claim they are not prostitutes or whatever but want to be paid to "hang out" and whatever happens happens. I always retort with the blatant honesty that I am not paying just to hang out. I'll pay once my needs are met, which can include hanging out, but also definitely includes intimacy. These delusional women still sometimes take issue with that and liken it to prostitution. Do you guys deal with the same? How to get around these conflicts?

**HaneDales** · 07-10-20 06:34

You are most likely right on this. There are people who think otherwise but if we talking economics and rants, why'all know where this goes.

Originally Posted by CuriousInquir [View Original Post]

It appears you missed the point of my post. My approach isn't "right" or wrong. Neither is yours. If you want to spend tons of time tracking down quality SBs at low prices, you should. I don't have time for that approach, and I can afford to pay more to avoid sinking so much time into the chase. It seems your frustration is that my and others' willingness to pay more for young hotties makes it tougher for you to land them for less. That's not my problem. I'm not interested in keeping prices low for you or anyone else. I'm interested in having great sex with hot women in their 20's without spending all of my free time on finding them. An extra $100 per session is worth it for me to achieve a higher success rate in less time.

When I talk to an incredibly gorgeous woman who wants an absurd allowance, I dont blame the guy with $50 million whos willing to pay her that much. I tell her no thanks and move on. Its not the rich guys fault. Its my fault that I dont want to pay so much. Likewise, its not my fault that you cant get every SB on the cheap.

**Hal1957** · 07-10-20 06:18

My profile clearly states that I am looking for a companion "AND EVERYTHING THAT IMPLIES. " Within the first few messages, I work in the question "are you comfortable having a physical relationship with a man my age?" Yes and we move to text. No and I wish her good luck. No such thing as a "real Sugar Baby" or a "real Sugar Daddy. " Sugar is what two consenting adults agree. Why spend a lot of time trying to win a useless argument?

Originally Posted by NikkaNamedSlik [View Original Post]

How do why'all deal with the girls who don't want to be paid for sex? I keep running into women on these sites that claim they are not prostitutes or whatever but want to be paid to "hang out" and whatever happens happens. I always retort with the blatant honesty that I am not paying just to hang out. I'll pay once my needs are met, which can include hanging out, but also definitely includes intimacy. These delusional women still sometimes take issue with that and liken it to prostitution. Do you guys deal with the same? How to get around these conflicts?

**SilentK69** · 07-10-20 05:33

Originally Posted by CuriousInquir [View Original Post]

It appears you missed the point of my post. My approach isn't "right" or wrong. Neither is yours. If you want to spend tons of time tracking down quality SBs at low prices, you should. I don't have time for that approach, and I can afford to pay more to avoid sinking so much time into the chase. It seems your frustration is that my and others' willingness to pay more for young hotties makes it tougher for you to land them for less. That's not my problem. I'm not interested in keeping prices low for you or anyone else. I'm interested in having great sex with hot women in their 20's without spending all of my free time on finding them. An extra $100 per session is worth it for me to achieve a higher success rate in less time.

When I talk to an incredibly gorgeous woman who wants an absurd allowance, I dont blame the guy with $50 million whos willing to pay her that much. I tell her no thanks and move on. Its not the rich guys fault. Its my fault that I dont want to pay so much. Likewise, its not my fault that you cant get every SB on the cheap

I fully agree with you. For those that are used to the SW budget can keep to that and there's no issue with that. I mean we all want to eat the apple pie how we choose to eat it and with what toppings is everyone's choice. Also I don't get how we went from "just sharing pics" to this being such an issue LOL.

**NewAnonymousName** · 07-10-20 00:32

Originally Posted by ParrotScope [View Original Post]

I'll leave it alone.

One thing I learned from this board, is there is no changing anyone's mind here. My account. Will most likely just be banned as usual.

To ask the question is to answer it.

Continue with your "right" approach. SMDH.

It appears you missed the point of my post. My approach isn't "right" or wrong. Neither is yours. If you want to spend tons of time tracking down quality SBs at low prices, you should. I don't have time for that approach, and I can afford to pay more to avoid sinking so much time into the chase. It seems your frustration is that my and others' willingness to pay more for young hotties makes it tougher for you to land them for less. That's not my problem. I'm not interested in keeping prices low for you or anyone else. I'm interested in having great sex with hot women in their 20's without spending all of my free time on finding them. An extra $100 per session is worth it for me to achieve a higher success rate in less time.

When I talk to an incredibly gorgeous woman who wants an absurd allowance, I dont blame the guy with $50 million who’s willing to pay her that much. I tell her no thanks and move on. It’s not the rich guy’s fault. It’s my fault that I don’t want to pay so much. Likewise, it’s not my fault that you can’t get every SB on the cheap.

**Bawall69** · 07-09-20 17:57

In my experience, many of those girls know what this is all about.

I will not pay before I meet someone. I will not waste my time on a girl who says she "will not" have a sexual arrangement. However, the girls who want to meet and see where things go, I am not opposed to small gifts. I will often reply that we will meet up, I will pay for dinner, and we will see where it goes from there. Many will have sex first visit, but just want to convince themselves it was their decision. If not, if she is especially hot, I may give $50 max and tell her I look forward to seeing where things go from there.

If the girl wants a specific commitment from you before meeting (x amount of dollars) and does not want to give any specific commitment in return, she is probably a scammer / time waster.

**Bawall69** · 07-09-20 17:49

Originally Posted by CuriousInquir [View Original Post]

I agree with you on most of this. I won't waste my time trying to find $200 SBs. If she meets what I'm looking for and wants $300, I'll pay it and be happy. Every now and then, one of those $300 per meet gals turns into a worthwhile regular. At the worst, I overpaid for a session. My time is too valuable to worry about it if I paid $300 versus $200 for an average session. Either way, I paid and it wasn't great.

I have paid $400, and I'd do it again, but she needs to be a cut above. I even paid $500 in Vegas for a smoking hot SB I met through the site. She was worth it (to me). I paid her $500 a day to come back for a couple hours on each of the next two days of my long weekend out there too. It was some of the best sex I've ever had. I probably would have spent more money playing craps in those couple of hours per day, so maybe I saved money by seeing her!

Where I disagree is your statement that no one has time to sort though 100 SBs looking for the inexpensive ones. Apparently, some guys do. Indeed, the post I quoted earlier called those of us who pay rather than waste time seeking bargains "simps" who deserve to die. Cest la vie.

To add to your points:

As a simple point of fact, we all have different priorities. We all have a different viewpoint on the relative value of time and money.

Just as there is nothing wrong with having very different tastes in women (the women some men like give me nausea and some may say the same about my tastes for all I know), there is also no benefit in criticizing how another man spends either his money or his time.

Let us all resume acting like responsible, consenting adults again.

**NikkaNamedSlik** · 07-09-20 17:45

How do why'all deal with the girls who don't want to be paid for sex? I keep running into women on these sites that claim they are not prostitutes or whatever but want to be paid to "hang out" and whatever happens happens. I always retort with the blatant honesty that I am not paying just to hang out. I'll pay once my needs are met, which can include hanging out, but also definitely includes intimacy. These delusional women still sometimes take issue with that and liken it to prostitution. Do you guys deal with the same? How to get around these conflicts?

**WialdThang** · 07-09-20 17:29

Originally Posted by JunkSecond [View Original Post]

Which vpn are you running?

I use.

Private internet access. I don't know as much as some on here. Its 40 a year. I can use on 4 or 5 pcs I think. It will show me as being almost any where in the world. I got it cause I was downloading torrents & got the nasty email from my isp to quit downloading them, after pia no more emails.

**JunkSecond** · 07-09-20 16:41

Originally Posted by WialdThang [View Original Post]

My pc is running a vpn if its on. S. A. Kicks me off ever so often cause It says my IP address is suspicious. I either sigh right back in & or change location. It does same with my phone also. Not a big problem.

Which vpn are you running?

**Johnny Mapalo** · 07-09-20 14:28

Originally Posted by MajMilkDuds [View Original Post]

If you are posting about a girl and / or posting pics. Please provide contact info. I have DMed many of you and have not gotten a response. This isn't a brag forum, we are here to share. I have girls to share too. I'm not just asking for something for free.

Posting pics is perfect. The minute you start including contact info, is when the drama starts. All kinds of buttwipes will be contacting those chic's and a few buttwipes will even show the chic's the reviews. Smdh. Pm the person if you want the contact info. If they don't want to give you the contact info, then so be it. Keep it moving! Also, pming guys for the contact info helps narrow down the ones that are throwing shade at others for brownie points with these gal.