"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Wleakr]

The JD way of life

Even before you provided the additional context, I had a decent understanding of your relations and techniques. Hopefully, my posts did not provide the impression I was being critical. They were actually not geared toward you and only mention you because Admirer Secret is using you as the "guide" for how to proceed for himself.

I'm pretty sure she earned that trip and made it worth your while! LOL!

[JoyDrop]

You need to read between the lines, bro.
JD has already mentioned he "provided a lot of incidentals". Even mentioned a trip to Paris for a chick.
If you are providing an all-expenses paid vacation for a chick, the smart ones aren't going to be too concerned with PPM.

To be fair, it took her 4 years to earn that trip LOL. But to your main point, I think you'd be surprised. I do well enough but I'm certainly not "rich" by the typical measure. I'm fortunate enough to own a small business and that provides certain freedoms and opportunities that are very advantageous for a guy who is seeing someone on the side. But the spending isn't extravagant. For example, since you mentioned the Paris trip, it wasn't like I had her meet me on the tarmac at PDK and whisked her away in my G650. I had a business meeting in Belgium that gave me a legitimate reason (and excuse) to be there. We flew coach on Delta and she couldn't care less. She was just happy to be going to Europe for the first time. I spent about $3 K out of pocket taking her along. I wouldn't do that for a random SB I was banging for a few months, but this girl had been exclusive to me for 4 years and we were tight. We had a blast and made lots of great memories. That's what it's all about for me.

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

In my case, I don't pay a dime in cash. I don't buy my girl anything of consequence outside of the usual birthday and Christmas gifts. But make no mistake, I do pay. I pay with time and attention. I put in a lot of effort up front to get her on the hook, then I go out of my way to make sure her needs are met as we go forward. It's not that perfect no-strings-attached unlimited pussy situation we all want, but in my case, I don't mind a few small strings here and there. Some guys fuck a girl a few times and throw her back into the sea, ready to move on to the next. There's nothing wrong with that. For my part I enjoy the connection. I crave the genuine enthusiasm and DESIRE that you get when a girl is really truly into you and WANTS to fuck you senseless. Maybe that cost me the time it took to help her get in position for that first big job she wanted, or land a big promotion she could previously only dream about. Maybe I taught her how to invest and set her on the path to financial freedom. Those types of things do require a significant investment of time, and that's that's definitely not for everyone. But the dividends have been well worth it for me.

How do you convince or convey your message of below type of girl you are looking for?
How do you find this kind of girl and what do you do to convince not for ppm?

When they ask you what type of arrangement that you are looking for what do you tell them?
Is it I'm want a girl friend?
I can't see that going over too good.
But seriously I was wondering what you say.

I'll start by revisiting what Wleakr and Airmantroy previously:

It's really all about presentation and expectations. If you really trying to be on that JD level, set you expectations and work on your presentation. But if you don't have the resources to back it up, it's not going to be as simple to accomplish what he does. Also not likely to work if the person doesn't buy what your selling. If a chick can size you up at dinner that you're going to be the PPM guy, then you will be the PPM guy.

But do we need a forum for "How to get laid" ? It's not hard, and if you're flashing money it gets even easier. If you can't talk a girl out of her panties with 100 dollar bills, there's no amount of words in this forum that can help.

Both of these guys are exactly right. It really is all about how you present and carry yourself. You've got to have a plan, you've got to have game. We can't help you get laid. If you're new to the bowl, or perhaps you haven't had a lot of success with women in general, you really need to invest the effort and put in the time to figure out the presentation part first. Then you can starting working on how to shape the interactions you have with these women so they are more likely to lead to the outcome you want.

That said, I don't mind posting an outline of my approach, but it will have to wait as I am out of time for today.

JD.

[Genome]

Her profile seems to be no longer active.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...8-6aaeebb01369

She needs to advertise somewhere else, wants $300 for 30 and $500/ hr GTFOH then there are the No's on her list. Kissing, fingers, daty, anal yeah take that crap back to Texas and try selling it.

[JoyDrop]

And, 'personal problem'? Are you implying I am some homely dork who can't get women? You have no possible way to know something like that, it's just flaming, which isn't really supposed to be part of this blog. If you want to know about my SBs, ask another poster, JoyDrop, a friend who has seen all my SBs.

He speaks the truth. FFA has been consistently nailing some extremely attractive women over the years I've known him.

[GoneForGood97]

She is asking for $3000 and she can come down to $2500 ppm. Sorry I don't proceed. I am not Elon musk.

JD show your charms now. Bend this girl. She is damn hot.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...2b48c1786b900a

Why the hell would JoyDrop waste his time on this when he already has a perfect unicorn SB that fucks his brains out whenever he wants LOL.

[JohnnyKash]

As FarFarAway said, I didn't have a PPM or any sort of financial arrangement with these women; I didn't give them money to see me. That doesn't mean it was free, because as the old saying goes, there's no such thing as free pussy. That is absolutely true. Every transaction is a trade between two counterparties that have something the other wants, right? So what does a girl on Seeking want? Either she wants money or she wants something that she thinks is more valuable than money.

In my case, I specifically sought out self-described "good girls" that weren't comfortable with any sort of pay-to-play arrangement. These girls have typically signed up for Seeking because they (a) are tired of dating immature young guys, (b) are naturally attracted to older men and (c) like the idea of a successful man providing for them in a traditional way, but don't want to link it specifically to a quid pro quo for having sex. But again, it's never free. I didn't pay with cash, but I certainly paid with lots of time & attention. But that's exactly what I was willing to give. I wanted a girlfriend out of the deal and that's what I got. I'm in the minority though. Most guys on Seeking want a no strings attached fuck buddy and there's nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of women available on the site who are looking for the same thing and happy to give it to you for a small nominal fee.

Going back to the concept of free pussy. Let's do the quick math on girlfriend #2. We lived two hours apart and saw each other every week, almost always for an overnight. Every week that was $150 for the hotel, $50 for dinner (at least) and $50 for gas. Multiply that by 50 weeks a year for 4 years and all that "free" pussy only cost me $50 k. I added it up once and in reality I spent closer to 75 k on her over that period of time, but there were lots of incidentals and I took her on several vacations including a trip to Paris at the end of our relationship to celebrate our time together. Was it worth it? Hell yes it was worth it. I had a super hot 20-something in her sexual prime enthusiastically fucking my brains out every week. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, and as a matter of fact I already am LOL. My current gf is an absolute goddess and treats me better than any woman I've ever been with. We've been together close to 2 years and I know that this is the peak experience for me. I can't imagine I'll ever be in a better situation than what I've got now. So I'm just going to live in the moment and enjoy this ride as long as it lasts. Again, I know my approach isn't for everyone, but the bowl can be a very rewarding / fulfilling experience if that's what you're looking for.

Joy Drop.

When they ask you what type of arrangement that you are looking for what do you tell them?

Is it I'm want a girl friend?

I can't see that going over too good.

But seriously I was wondering what you say.

[SalvatoreIttup]

I just subscribed for seeking! Any thoughts on the new format? It sucks. I liked the old format much easier to read profiles.

If you're referring to searching on the app version, I noticed that mine now defaults to huge profiles that you can scroll through one at a time, with the option of scrolling through the available pics of each girl without opening up their entire profile. All you have to do to see a bunch of profiles at once is click the grid-looking icon in the top right corner.

[AdmirerSecret]

She is asking for $3000 and she can come down to $2500 ppm. Sorry I don't proceed. I am not Elon musk.

JD show your charms now. Bend this girl. She is damn hot.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...2b48c1786b900a

[AdmirerSecret]

There are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

Today I met a chick, she is completely broken, no place to live, she don't look like anything in photos. She is young (28). 5/10.

She don't have a job at the moment and seeking for long term sugar daddy. So I am not going to proceed further I think. She asked me to uber to restaurants.

I found a nice restaurant because of her. .

Guys keep trying something will work out. Its all time and presentations and vibe. Sometimes luck.

Damage: 1's.

Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

[Airmantroy]

Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

We're talking just getting the type of fish he wants to jump in the boat. That shouldn't be an issue for a person with financial resources, even taking age in consideration, if the presentation is right. The issue should be you have so many to choose from that you spend too much time weeding through the noise.

One of the things you will always notice, regardless of the thread, strip clubs, escorts, sugar babies, etc, there are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

It is not magic. It is simple.

You are not wrong. But do we need a forum for "How to get laid" ? It's not hard, and if you're flashing money it gets even easier. If you can't talk a girl out of her panties with 100 dollar bills, there's no amount of words in this forum that can help. And forget about hiding it from an SO, women can and WILL smell another woman on you if you are not extremely diligent.

[Airmantroy]

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...8-6aaeebb01369

She needs to advertise somewhere else, wants $300 for 30 and $500/ hr GTFOH then there are the No's on her list. Kissing, fingers, daty, anal yeah take that crap back to Texas and try selling it.

[Wleakr]

You really oversimplify this. I don't think many can do what he does. I have seen very very few people on here who can.

Yes, I am simplifying a bit. But to be fair, you have seen few on here do it because most on here are not looking for that.

The majority of the posts are PPM. Guys looking to get their rocks off, ideally with a chick that is low volume and not a pro escort. And for the ones with babies worth keeping, they are not posting them until they are completely done with them (or they never post them at all).

Do you know (and I'm sure you do) there are guys who have pretty hot, attractive, sexy long term side pieces and they don't pay a dime, other than dick. I'm not talking about "oh, we don't talk money, I just make sure she has what she needs and she reciprocates in taking care of my needs". No, actual attractive women getting nothing but dick and, in some cases, the dude is actually get money or some other material item from her!

Everybody plays the game in their own way, and I'm not judging. As long as you're good with the situation, is all that matters.

But for Admirer Secret, correct me if I'm wrong, this guy can't get off "Step 1". We're not even into the "how to hide this from my SO stage" or anything else.

We're talking just getting the type of fish he wants to jump in the boat. That shouldn't be an issue for a person with financial resources, even taking age in consideration, if the presentation is right. The issue should be you have so many to choose from that you spend too much time weeding through the noise.

One of the things you will always notice, regardless of the thread, strip clubs, escorts, sugar babies, etc, there are always guys that seem to get what they seek and then there are the other guys wondering how those guys are getting what they seek.

It is not magic. It is simple.

[FarFarAway]

That's the wrong line of thinking. JD is not a magic man or doing anything "special". The women are definitely there for the taking.

If your budget is high, as you state, the gates should be wide open. Location is no object. You can either fly to wherever they are or fly them to you. You actually have access to MORE women than the average user of sugar baby websites!

You really oversimplify this. I don't think many can do what he does. I have seen very very few people on here who can. It not only is about what the SBs go for, it is what he can get away with vis-a-vis the SO. I could never do for girls what he can because of surveillance from the warden. And another point, he is 20 years my junior. There are a few girls who are really kinky about the age gap, a lot more who are just fine with whatever age, and many who really don't want to bang granpa.

[Wleakr]

He spent $1000 per month (50 k for 4 years) I am spending more than that. My budget is also high. Foreign trip damn easy. Instead of my whole family (10 k) tickets just take that chick, by telling business trip to everyone and cancel yearly my foreign trips. My point is such girls exists less or we never find them. But he is a magic man.

That's the wrong line of thinking. JD is not a magic man or doing anything "special". The women are definitely there for the taking.

Is your goal to truly "sugar"? Have you gone through the Richmond sugar thread? If you've read through all that and still can't get what you're seeking, you have to work on what you can control on your end (presentation).

If your budget is high, as you state, the gates should be wide open. Location is no object. You can either fly to wherever they are or fly them to you. You actually have access to MORE women than the average user of sugar baby websites!

[Kingjack543]

Anyone have girls that they've met and fucked on Seeking. I have a couple I've done and would love to trade. Looking for white, Latina or Asian.