"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Hal1957]

Last time in the bowl, over the course of a month I sorted through six POTs, sex with 5, weekend m / g with one. She was the keeper, it's been more than a year. Never paid more than 250, none asked for ppm in advance, none required more than a couple of days chatting to set up the first date, and of the 5 who ended up in the sack, 4 were single moms who wanted to be appreciated. Be nice, get to the point without being vulgar. And I recommend keep the age over 25. Younger than that and the BS factor goes up exponentially.

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight... you're focusing on THEIR needs and are being considerate of their time. If they seem to want to put a really short time limit on things, punt the ball and mention it sounds like they are super busy that day, and maybe you guys should meet up on a day when they aren't quite so pressed for time.

[DArrow404]

She told me 500.

What's funny is I even offered lets meet up to discuss and worst case you get a free nice meal out of it. However, she refused saying she's too busy. LOL. 400 and she's too busy but 500 is ok. Hmm.

[Plisknoob1]

I tried some more to get her to give a range etc but she wouldn't only that "her price is higher than others". So threw out 400 with no real intention of going through with it. She said that wasn't enough. GPS confirmed. Amazes me that she is expecting that. It's not like she's in her early 20's with a fantastic body. Anyway time to move on.

She told me 500.

[DudeNextDoor]

This is a really excellent post.

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight.

Although there are some actual "pros" and "escorts" on the site, a lot of the real girls on there aren't familiar with the escort business, and so aren't used to thinking about things in terms of time. Once I've developed a rapport with a baby (and established they're real) I'll start by asking what type of arrangement they're comfortable with. Once they tell you what they want (weekly, monthly, ppm), I'll agree that I'm looking for the same, but I think it's important to develop trust and establish chemistry. Depending on how they respond I'll generally guide the conversation to a point whey they agree with the "develop trust etc" statement, and then I ask them when they'd be available to meet. Assuming I've done a good job earlier developing a good rapport with them they'll normally say something like "tomorrow" or "this Saturday" or whatever.

Once we nail down a day and time, I ask them if they can host. This is usually the crux of the entire conversation, not because of how they answer, but because it establishes you're looking to meet in private. If they say sure, then I'll ask what they're comfortably with sexually, furthering driving home the point that this is a hookup, not just a meet and greet. At that point normally they'll bring up donation amount and I'll negotiate that.

On the other hand, if they say they can't host because of XYZ (roommate, kids, whatever) then I ask are they comfortable meeting directly at a hotel or would they rather grab a coffee or drink first. If they say they can meet at the hotel, then I move the conversation back to what they enjoy sexually, again, to establish that we will be fucking. If they want coffee or a drink first, I ask where they'd like to meet up at. Sometimes this will get them to ask about $, which I reply that although I will happily pay for coffee or drinks to establish chemistry, I can only pay $ once we've established intimacy. If she balks at this point, I normally wish them a good day and move on to the next one, but more often than not if you offer to pay for coffee and meet them to make sure they're comfortable, they will agree to meet for coffee or that drink. Once they've agreed to coffee, I'll ask them what they would like to do if we hit it off and they want to move forward with the arrangement. If they say they'll move forward if coffee goes well, then I ask them what they are comfortable with sexually and go through the process I repeated earlier.

There's no trick here. Just be polite, ask them what they are comfortable with, and lead them towards the inevitable conclusion that this meet up will include sex. Once they establish they are comfortable with that and you've established when to meet, ask them what else they are doing that day, since you want to be considerate of their time. Normally they'll mention "Oh, I have a babysitter and can only meet a couple of hours" or "I have to be done by 4 pm to go into work" or whatever their timeline is. This is great because instead of asking "how long we fucking" which is going to turn a lot of women off and make them feel used, you're focusing on THEIR needs and are being considerate of their time. If they seem to want to put a really short time limit on things, punt the ball and mention it sounds like they are super busy that day, and maybe you guys should meet up on a day when they aren't quite so pressed for time.

[Airmantroy]

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight.

Although there are some actual "pros" and "escorts" on the site, a lot of the real girls on there aren't familiar with the escort business, and so aren't used to thinking about things in terms of time. Once I've developed a rapport with a baby (and established they're real) I'll start by asking what type of arrangement they're comfortable with. Once they tell you what they want (weekly, monthly, ppm), I'll agree that I'm looking for the same, but I think it's important to develop trust and establish chemistry. Depending on how they respond I'll generally guide the conversation to a point whey they agree with the "develop trust etc" statement, and then I ask them when they'd be available to meet. Assuming I've done a good job earlier developing a good rapport with them they'll normally say something like "tomorrow" or "this Saturday" or whatever.

Once we nail down a day and time, I ask them if they can host. This is usually the crux of the entire conversation, not because of how they answer, but because it establishes you're looking to meet in private. If they say sure, then I'll ask what they're comfortably with sexually, furthering driving home the point that this is a hookup, not just a meet and greet. At that point normally they'll bring up donation amount and I'll negotiate that.

On the other hand, if they say they can't host because of XYZ (roommate, kids, whatever) then I ask are they comfortable meeting directly at a hotel or would they rather grab a coffee or drink first. If they say they can meet at the hotel, then I move the conversation back to what they enjoy sexually, again, to establish that we will be fucking. If they want coffee or a drink first, I ask where they'd like to meet up at. Sometimes this will get them to ask about $, which I reply that although I will happily pay for coffee or drinks to establish chemistry, I can only pay $ once we've established intimacy. If she balks at this point, I normally wish them a good day and move on to the next one, but more often than not if you offer to pay for coffee and meet them to make sure they're comfortable, they will agree to meet for coffee or that drink. Once they've agreed to coffee, I'll ask them what they would like to do if we hit it off and they want to move forward with the arrangement. If they say they'll move forward if coffee goes well, then I ask them what they are comfortable with sexually and go through the process I repeated earlier.

You are 100% on point with this. Always make them comfortable, even if you already know they are a "pro", it works in your favor, just don't be the guy loaning money a week later and never hearing from her again. Anytime they ask for something after the first meet always ask, Whats in it for me? And makes sure it's in your favor financially.

[GoneForGood97]

Hi.

I am new to this part of the game. I had a few questions, how long in time does a ppm usually run? Is it understood what's going to happen or am I saying it? If I can find someone, not crazy in allowance, fun and twice a month. I am happy guy.

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight.

Although there are some actual "pros" and "escorts" on the site, a lot of the real girls on there aren't familiar with the escort business, and so aren't used to thinking about things in terms of time. Once I've developed a rapport with a baby (and established they're real) I'll start by asking what type of arrangement they're comfortable with. Once they tell you what they want (weekly, monthly, ppm), I'll agree that I'm looking for the same, but I think it's important to develop trust and establish chemistry. Depending on how they respond I'll generally guide the conversation to a point whey they agree with the "develop trust etc" statement, and then I ask them when they'd be available to meet. Assuming I've done a good job earlier developing a good rapport with them they'll normally say something like "tomorrow" or "this Saturday" or whatever.

Once we nail down a day and time, I ask them if they can host. This is usually the crux of the entire conversation, not because of how they answer, but because it establishes you're looking to meet in private. If they say sure, then I'll ask what they're comfortably with sexually, furthering driving home the point that this is a hookup, not just a meet and greet. At that point normally they'll bring up donation amount and I'll negotiate that.

On the other hand, if they say they can't host because of XYZ (roommate, kids, whatever) then I ask are they comfortable meeting directly at a hotel or would they rather grab a coffee or drink first. If they say they can meet at the hotel, then I move the conversation back to what they enjoy sexually, again, to establish that we will be fucking. If they want coffee or a drink first, I ask where they'd like to meet up at. Sometimes this will get them to ask about $, which I reply that although I will happily pay for coffee or drinks to establish chemistry, I can only pay $ once we've established intimacy. If she balks at this point, I normally wish them a good day and move on to the next one, but more often than not if you offer to pay for coffee and meet them to make sure they're comfortable, they will agree to meet for coffee or that drink. Once they've agreed to coffee, I'll ask them what they would like to do if we hit it off and they want to move forward with the arrangement. If they say they'll move forward if coffee goes well, then I ask them what they are comfortable with sexually and go through the process I repeated earlier.

There's no trick here. Just be polite, ask them what they are comfortable with, and lead them towards the inevitable conclusion that this meet up will include sex. Once they establish they are comfortable with that and you've established when to meet, ask them what else they are doing that day, since you want to be considerate of their time. Normally they'll mention "Oh, I have a babysitter and can only meet a couple of hours" or "I have to be done by 4 pm to go into work" or whatever their timeline is. This is great because instead of asking "how long we fucking" which is going to turn a lot of women off and make them feel used, you're focusing on THEIR needs and are being considerate of their time. If they seem to want to put a really short time limit on things, punt the ball and mention it sounds like they are super busy that day, and maybe you guys should meet up on a day when they aren't quite so pressed for time.

[DArrow404]

I got her number but still nothing about $$.

I tried some more to get her to give a range etc but she wouldn't only that "her price is higher than others". So threw out 400 with no real intention of going through with it. She said that wasn't enough. GPS confirmed. Amazes me that she is expecting that. It's not like she's in her early 20's with a fantastic body. Anyway time to move on.

[WoodstockShane]

Hi.

I am new to this part of the game. I had a few questions, how long in time does a ppm usually run? Is it understood what's going to happen or am I saying it? If I can find someone, not crazy in allowance, fun and twice a month. I am happy guy.

Lots of women on SA don't have a set time for your meetings. Many of them treat it as a date. For instance, if you take a sugar baby to dinner, and its been agreed upon that you're planning on some sexy time, that is assumed to be part of your "meeting". I've had dates with sugar babies last as short as two hours, to as long as 5-8 hours, with the occasional overnight. If you find someone on SA charging strictly by the hour, you know she's basically an escort. For me, that's not why I'm on that site. You'll have to spend some time talking to, messaging with, and perhaps having a few casual meet and greets to check compatibility (Nothing paid to her over and above the cost of drinks / food etc). It can get tedious, but it can be well worth the upfront effort on your part.

Stay frosty dude.

[WoodstockShane]

Guy, you produce the best reviews / comments on the Board. Big respect. Thanks.

Just trying to add whatever details I can, with enough honesty as I can muster. I also try to keep down the "anyone seen. Anyone seen. " garbage.

Staying Frosty as always.

[AHappyGuyAtl]

Hi.

I am new to this part of the game. I had a few questions, how long in time does a ppm usually run? Is it understood what's going to happen or am I saying it? If I can find someone, not crazy in allowance, fun and twice a month. I am happy guy.

[Peter Pan]

I can't find the second profile and it may not even be there any longer. I like her look a lot and had favorited her and then saw that same pic on a new profile that I hadn't looked at before. Sounding like she's real though and if she looks.

That good in person I'd probably pay.

I will let you know. Meeting her for coffee in couple of days. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on pay as well. I asked that because I saw bunch of other posts from other mongers not paying more than 300. Etc. Might be true for them if the girl likes you etc like everything in life it's not fair!!

[Plisknoob1]

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...6-63231e61e0e1

Anyone have info on her? I've been talking with her but can't get her to say what allowance she is wanting and don't want to screw myself over by going way over. She seems a little flakey but I dig her look.

I got her number but still nothing about $$.

[LovePunnany]

Well if it's seems too good, generally it is. Why don't you TOFTT and report back.

I certainly will.

[DudeNextDoor]

I can't find the second profile and it may not even be there any longer. I like her look a lot and had favorited her and then saw that same pic on a new profile that I hadn't looked at before. Sounding like she's real though and if she looks.

That good in person I'd probably pay.

Iam talking to piper and like to scheduled to meet as well. She did say 350-500. Can you share the two profiles for ashlyn? She is real. Agree to meet for coffee. Just firm on 500 for arrangement. Would you pay if she is real?

[Peter Pan]

Ashlyn123 - no interaction with her but had noticed the picture show up on two different profiles so thought maybe it was a scammer. How did you verify she's real?

Piperrose222 - actively talking to her. We started talking a while back but she fell off the radar then just popped back up the other day. Haven't gotten a pro vibe though. Originally she said her SD recently moved away. They did hotel meetups for 350-500 ppm once a week. She had a limited availability due to work but that may have changed. Trying to meet her in the next day or two.

Iam talking to piper and like to scheduled to meet as well. She did say 350-500. Can you share the two profiles for ashlyn? She is real. Agree to meet for coffee. Just firm on 500 for arrangement. Would you pay if she is real?