"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[GoneForGood97]

I'm new to the sugar baby game, what exactly are "arrangements"? Like in my mind I'm thinking its SW but I could be wrong. I've been on seeking and alot of the girls have been talking about arrangements do they mean like money? Or is it a mutually beneficial type of thing somebody help me out.

The "arrangement" is whatever 2 consenting adults want it to be. For most people, that's dates plus sex for cash. For some, it's just straight up sex for cash. However, there are some girls and guys that use gifts / trips / fancy dinners instead of pure cash. The arrangement might be "I take you to 5 star restaurants and a shopping trip and we hook up afterwards. ".

I've had a few that just wanted to be "spoiled" occasionally in exchange for hooking up. About a year or so back I had a early 30's cutie who just wanted a mani / pedi / massage spa day once a month. If I paid for that for her once a month, she'd fuck my brains out every week. It was a pretty sweet deal, but not very common. I had one late last year that agreed to hook up with me if I would sub to her OnlyF*ns afterwards (I would never agree to beforehand). We met at a hotel, we fucked twice, I subbed to her OF right there on the spot for $15. Canceled it a couple of weeks later after she ghosted, but not before downloading all her material.

Most of my cash arrangements are 200 per intimate date, plus I pay for hotel, or if they can host, I'll do 300 for them per intimate date. If we meet for coffee or dinner I'll cover the tab as well.

When I first talk to a potential sugar baby (or POT) I get to know them first, standard online dating questions. Once we've been talking a few hours, or even a day or 2, I'll normally ask them if they want to talk about the "arrangement." I ask them what they are looking for, and try to get them to be the first to mention money, though some will play coy. If they do, I'll generally ask them if they prefer a cash allowance, gifts, or something else. Once they finally tell me what they are looking for, then I'll ask if they are willing to talk through the intimate details so we can make sure we have chemistry before figuring the specifics of the arrangement. At that point I point blank ask them what they enjoy sexually, and have a pretty detailed talk about what turns them on. If this goes well then our conversation will actually turn them on. If they're turned on enough, I can usually get nudes / vids at this point for free. Another bonus of turning them on is they actually will WANT to meet you, and are willing to see you for less than normal (since if theoretically if you turned them on here you could have just as easily turned them on through a standard dating site and they would've fucked you for free anyways). Once I feel like they really like me, I ask them specifically what they are looking for allowance/gift wise, and then negotiate from there.

It's not a 100% success rate but you can comb through my post history under this thread to see specific examples. When my SA sub is active, I can normally bag 4-5 different girls, usually in their early 20s - early 30s, maybe the occasional 19 year old, and never pay more than 300 per date. You have to be willing to pass on girls who have GPS (gold pussy syndrome), the girls who are wannabe instagram models or influencers who think a billionaire should pay them thousands a week. When someone is unreasonable or not willing to move come down to a reasonable arrangement, I tell them we're not a good fit and move on. Remember, there's a LOT more "average income" guys on the site than there are multi-millionaires, and as long as you're willing to say "no" to some very pretty girls, you'll find some real pretty ones that'll take great care of you, are grateful for the help you give them, and won't break the bank.

[SeekingHead]

I'm new to the sugar baby game, what exactly are "arrangements"? Like in my mind I'm thinking its SW but I could be wrong. I've been on seeking and alot of the girls have been talking about arrangements do they mean like money? Or is it a mutually beneficial type of thing somebody help me out.

No they mean money. PPM is pay per meet, most common & what I do. Going rate is $300-400.

[GreekLurker212]

I'm new to the sugar baby game, what exactly are "arrangements"? Like in my mind I'm thinking its SW but I could be wrong. I've been on seeking and alot of the girls have been talking about arrangements do they mean like money? Or is it a mutually beneficial type of thing somebody help me out.

[JoyDrop]

oddly enough, early to mid-30s Asian women without a clear face picture are almost always scammers. I'm not sure why.

The organized crime outfits that run these scams in high volumes are based in Asia and they staff their operations with Asians lured by the promise of well paying jobs. They have women there held against their will who are forced to take photos when the target victim requests sexy pics. Think about that for a second. A single woman can supply personalized pics for any number of scam operators. So it makes sense if you think the girl you're talking to is Asian, you get special photos made just for you from your new Asian friend, it's easy to see how guys fall for this.

[FarFarAway]

If they choose to actually threaten you, never give an inch & tell them to go f- themselves. And if you can do a little social media digging yourself, find some dirt on "her. " The best defense is always a good offense.

I honestly don't believe it ever pays to be an asshole to someone on the seeking site or elsewhere on websites where we are playing about. Just move on. The momentary exhilaration of flaming isn't worth it, in case someone really takes issue w / the site mods.

However, I have posted my approach to shakedown attempts. Short version. Tell them that what you are doing might not be nice but it isn't illegal. However extortion is a federal felony, and their messages provide all the evidence LE would require to track them down (w / resources you don't have to do so). They usually stop at that point.

[Jims2321]

I haven't noticed any pattern or trend with user names and scammers. Seeking generates automatic name suggestions. I've had both scammers and good luck with names that are typical of their algorithm (usually two word combos like TemptingSiren or AstuteDiva, etc.). I've also had good and bad luck with user names that were more obviously individually selected, including those with an actual woman's name incorporated into it.

Pictures are a better barometer. You can tell that some are in Europe (a dead giveaway unless it's a college girl or a milf -- 20s to 30s year old waitresses rarely are able to go to Europe and get perfect photos for Seeking). You can tell from the style of palm trees that some pictures are in California, another sign of a potential scammer. Some are too perfect like they're professional photos, which is a another red flag. And oddly enough, early to mid-30s Asian women without a clear face picture are almost always scammers. I'm not sure why.

Also starting to see AI generated images as well, oddly enough mostly seems to be Asian females as well.

[NewAnonymousName]

I've been wondering if another sign of scammers is usernames that contain an actual woman's name. Any thoughts on this? I had two recent situations where the person asked for money upfront for various reasons, and both had real names in the profile (ex. Mary123). Looking back, including my current SB, I've always had luck with girls with fake names (ex. Peaches or baby something). Just thinking a real person would want to stay mostly anonymous.

I haven't noticed any pattern or trend with user names and scammers. Seeking generates automatic name suggestions. I've had both scammers and good luck with names that are typical of their algorithm (usually two word combos like TemptingSiren or AstuteDiva, etc.). I've also had good and bad luck with user names that were more obviously individually selected, including those with an actual woman's name incorporated into it.

Pictures are a better barometer. You can tell that some are in Europe (a dead giveaway unless it's a college girl or a milf -- 20s to 30s year old waitresses rarely are able to go to Europe and get perfect photos for Seeking). You can tell from the style of palm trees that some pictures are in California, another sign of a potential scammer. Some are too perfect like they're professional photos, which is a another red flag. And oddly enough, early to mid-30s Asian women without a clear face picture are almost always scammers. I'm not sure why.

Even then, I'll message with almost anyone. The scammers become pretty obvious pretty quickly in most message exchanges.

[TacoSauce3]

If they choose to actually threaten you, never give an inch & tell them to go f- themselves. And if you can do a little social media digging yourself, find some dirt on "her. " The best defense is always a good offense.

I've been wondering if another sign of scammers is usernames that contain an actual woman's name. Any thoughts on this? I had two recent situations where the person asked for money upfront for various reasons, and both had real names in the profile (ex. Mary123). Looking back, including my current SB, I've always had luck with girls with fake names (ex. Peaches or baby something). Just thinking a real person would want to stay mostly anonymous.

[TylerDurden07]

I recently got "threatened" by a scammer myself. I told her in no uncertain terms that it would be a very painful mistake to attempt any type of extortion and that her best course of action would be to shove it up her ass. She got all up in her feelings after I had to cancel a meet, (after she'd ghosted me once previously), I had came down with a cold and didn't feel like doing crap.

Had another one pull the"had a detective call me about sexting with a minor that had attempted suicide" I politely told said detective if he was serious about speaking with me, I wasn't very hard to find. Good Luck. I never sent her any pics and the only communication between us was Hello my name is "FAKE NAME" from me followed by her sending 2 nudes and asking when we could meet.

I have found that the easiest way to avoid BS is stay over 21 yrs old, and any profile that has the True Love tag in what they are seeking is guranteed to be a scammer. Pics that are TGTBT are almost always a dead giveaway if combined with the True Love tag. 95% or more of the Asian chicks are fake, for whatever reason. Names like IntelligentIngenuine, GratifiedHotness, or stupid shit like that are always scammers. I'm still working on picking out the content sellers by their profiles, but those are more difficult. They want to give the illusion of availability, but never available.

If they choose to actually threaten you, never give an inch & tell them to go f- themselves. And if you can do a little social media digging yourself, find some dirt on "her. " The best defense is always a good offense.

[Airmantroy]

Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.

I recently got "threatened" by a scammer myself. I told her in no uncertain terms that it would be a very painful mistake to attempt any type of extortion and that her best course of action would be to shove it up her ass. She got all up in her feelings after I had to cancel a meet, (after she'd ghosted me once previously), I had came down with a cold and didn't feel like doing crap.

Had another one pull the"had a detective call me about sexting with a minor that had attempted suicide" I politely told said detective if he was serious about speaking with me, I wasn't very hard to find. Good Luck. I never sent her any pics and the only communication between us was Hello my name is "FAKE NAME" from me followed by her sending 2 nudes and asking when we could meet.

I have found that the easiest way to avoid BS is stay over 21 yrs old, and any profile that has the True Love tag in what they are seeking is guranteed to be a scammer. Pics that are TGTBT are almost always a dead giveaway if combined with the True Love tag. 95% or more of the Asian chicks are fake, for whatever reason. Names like IntelligentIngenuine, GratifiedHotness, or stupid shit like that are always scammers. I'm still working on picking out the content sellers by their profiles, but those are more difficult. They want to give the illusion of availability, but never available.

[FarFarAway]

Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.

You need to read the thread and the archives on the Richmond, VA page on sugaring. Spend a week doing that. Then you will know.

I have a lot to lose like you, and I have been safely on seeking for many years now.

There is also an OpSec thread on the Northern Virginia page.

[SeekingHead]

Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.

My advice set your profile to private with no photo, have a few photos of you which have never been on the internet as your private photos. Burner # & text app.

Only message women you are interested in, do a meet & greet over lunch or drinks to weed out the fakes.

[ZeppDawg33]

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...e-985942db4cc7

Anyone have any experience with her? I like her look, & we exchanged a LOT of messages on the site, much more so than I usually prefer doing. She seems real, & is very flirtatious in her talk.

But. She just won't go to text. Like, she'll talk your head off on the site, but for reasons she won't give, won't take the next step.

Anybody dealt with her, & know why this is?

She isn't the person in the pics.

[KingFish34]

That really depends on how you value your time. It is absolutely guaranteed to be cheaper and easier to find a pro if you factor in the time and hassle involved. So it really comes down to what you're looking for.

Seeking has a little bit of something for everyone. You can find anything from escorts that charge you by the hour to girls who are looking for a successful older lover who will wine and dine them. I've been very fortunate to find some great women on the site over the years. I go for the girlfriend types who aren't looking for an allowance. My current girl has been with me over two years, she's a total knockout 25 years to my junior. Very well-to-do and cultured; definitely the type of girl who's equally comfortable at a tennis club in the Hamptons or in the finest restaurants in New York. She's at a stage in her life where she's focused on her career, doesn't care at all about finding a guy her age or starting a family, and honestly takes a lot of pride in being my trophy girlfriend / mistress. She's happily exclusive to me and enthusiastically gives me more pussy than I know what to do with. I've never paid her a dime (but I do take great care of her when we're together and cover all expenses, of course). I know that's not everyone's cup of tea but the point is, those girls are out there if that's what you're looking for.

If you're just looking to get your dick wet with minimal hassle, those girls are on Seeking as well. You'll just have to invest the time to message a lot of women and go back and forth with the hits you get until you find someone that is looking for the same type of situation you are. There are plenty of those girls on the site, so I'd encourage you to give it a try. Just read as much as you can before you get started so you know what to expect going in.

Thanks a bunch for your detailed answer. On the scammer front I got hit up just recently someone demanding money or they would come after my family. Sounds like clearly a scam, but that kind of shit is not fun to deal with and does make me nervous. I will say that I have a second text number now which should help with that. Do you give your real name on these sites or when you meet the woman? I have a personal life that I want to keep separated, and on that note, wondering if maybe seeking is a bad idea. I want to remain discreet, regardless of what I do.

[JoyDrop]

So, debating about biting the bullet and trying one of these sites. I feel it would be fun to be with a non professional maybe get to know someone better, etc. Anyway, reading through some of the posts, is it even worth it? I mean lots of negativity coming up about the sites. Note, I would be using a pre paid CC so is that an issue with any of the sites? Anyway, trying to gauge how successful this venture would be. Also, is it a cheaper or more expensive prospect than just going with a pro?

That really depends on how you value your time. It is absolutely guaranteed to be cheaper and easier to find a pro if you factor in the time and hassle involved. So it really comes down to what you're looking for.

Seeking has a little bit of something for everyone. You can find anything from escorts that charge you by the hour to girls who are looking for a successful older lover who will wine and dine them. I've been very fortunate to find some great women on the site over the years. I go for the girlfriend types who aren't looking for an allowance. My current girl has been with me over two years, she's a total knockout 25 years to my junior. Very well-to-do and cultured; definitely the type of girl who's equally comfortable at a tennis club in the Hamptons or in the finest restaurants in New York. She's at a stage in her life where she's focused on her career, doesn't care at all about finding a guy her age or starting a family, and honestly takes a lot of pride in being my trophy girlfriend / mistress. She's happily exclusive to me and enthusiastically gives me more pussy than I know what to do with. I've never paid her a dime (but I do take great care of her when we're together and cover all expenses, of course). I know that's not everyone's cup of tea but the point is, those girls are out there if that's what you're looking for.

If you're just looking to get your dick wet with minimal hassle, those girls are on Seeking as well. You'll just have to invest the time to message a lot of women and go back and forth with the hits you get until you find someone that is looking for the same type of situation you are. There are plenty of those girls on the site, so I'd encourage you to give it a try. Just read as much as you can before you get started so you know what to expect going in.

One thing I've noticed about Seeking lately is that it's completely overrun by scammers now. I still log in regularly to admire the new talent and would venture an educated guess that at least half the new accounts I see are fake. This is a small sample, but to underscore the point I just checked and 6 of the newest 10 accounts on my saved search were not real. You're probably familiar with the stories about organized crime syndicates in Asia kidnapping job seekers and forcing them into a confidence scam operations. Seeking is ground zero for that type of thing since all of the men are there to spend money on women. It's easy to spot the fake profiles once you know what you're looking for, but still, I'm glad I'm not having to deal with any of that because it's just such a pain in the ass to sort through all the scammer BS.

Good luck if you do decide to try it, report back and let us know how you did.