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[Shipshape]

Uh, yea, been there and done that. Plenty. Worked in S'pore and Philippines more than you'll ever know. Middle East, too.

Your thought process on why prices are 'high' due to the impact of the religious right is inherently wrong. You also keep categorizing the entire USA and my point was about Honolulu specifically. There is not "religious right" in this State that is historically left wing democrats. The church has little impact on the sex trade here. Hawaii's abortion laws were leading edge and remain so. So again, your political view is wrong, too.

I'll say it again, I nor anyone else are going to say anything to change your mind obviously. But you've got done seriously wrong views about Honolulu and this state in general. You're not from here and sound like ex-military. Nor am I trying to white knight the girls. Your reading comprehension needs work.

Interesting shift and dodge. If only discussing Hawaii, you are correct the Democrat party has been in power. Yes, it is a liberal machine on the surface with a subset of plantation mentality. (Money, land, and thus power rules). Can liberal politics and religion mix to form a community conservative morality? Not sure. I do know the prosecutor's office was quite aggressive shutting down AMPs and the laws were changed so that building owners could be liable and we are only 1 of 2 states with no gambling but yes it is on the surfaces thought of as a liberal state. It may be the national profile has more influence than local. Again not sure. Yes I painted too broad of a picture about religions role as my reference was to the total US. This recent post clarified your only reference is to Hawaii. I was too broad while you were thinking only local, my bad for not picking up on that as its quite typical. A girl making $200 twenty years ago doesn't rate an inflation qualifier, IMHO, just as a car that's 20 years older doesn't command a premium price (in most cases. Yes I know the are exceptions to every rule). I'm totally in favor of a legalized sex trade but go ahead and try to get that passed in the US or in Hawaii. Noticed no comment on sex workers not paying taxes on their sex trade income. If you want to advocate for your girls to get a pay raise have at. For me, the only increase I can see is what is a customer willing to pay. Girl puts out a price. Guy may or may not make a counter offer. Deal is done or not. Simple. I totally accept that I got to pay more if I want a corvette vs a Chevy impala. Same company just different models. It has nothing to do with inflation.

[Makana9]

Uh, yea, been there and done that. Plenty. Worked in S'pore and the Philippines more than you'll ever know. Middle East, too.

Your thought process on why prices are 'high' due to the impact of the religious right is inherently wrong. You also keep categorizing the entire USA and my point was about Honolulu specifically. There is not "religious right" in this State that is historically left-wing democrats. The church has little impact on the sex trade here. Hawaii's abortion laws were leading edge and remain so. So again, your political view is wrong, too.

I'll say it again, I nor anyone else are going to say anything to change your mind obviously. But you've got done seriously wrong views about Honolulu and this state in general. You're not from here and sound like ex-military. Nor am I trying to white knight the girls. Your reading comprehension needs work.

I could not have said it any better, 5 to you man. Bringing the religious right into this conversation SMH here we go again, left-wing talking out of the wrong side of their head. I have worked in various countries around the world including Dubai and 2 other areas of the Middle East was eye-opening and before I worked there with 2 others went through rigorous edu on the culture so not too get into it as they put it get in deep deep shsst just by doing what we look at the cultures differences. Learned a lot, respected and built many business relationships and yes, I dated one (that's a long long story) on how we met, the trouble I had in the beginning got us into, and also realized the beauty of the women in that part of the world, but also the big cultural differences she had with her ohana. FYI, it was major fun while it lasted all 2 yrs. Working overseas. Good thoughts, Dark, well written and and thought, really cool.

[Darkman808]

My opinion / statement stands. I said "for the most part" not all. I'm sure and know some (a few) well educated who*es. Don't get me wrong, many are very nice actors and provide excellent service, but to justify their pay level based upon economic inflationary pressure is silly. Their price is based upon traditional pricing in the USA, and morality laws that are forced on this country by religious types or vocal anti-sex organizations. The pricing is not universal and the "morality" issue is unique to counties where religious groups have been able to gain control of that society (e. G. The US, and most Muslim counties). My only simple advice is to consider the causes of pricing here before you white knight for higher costs based upon the girls haven't had a raise. As for the religious right types, heck yah I place cost blame on them as through the years they're the ones trying to contol our lives (with the anti abortion laws being their latest abomination). Finally I don't know any "girls" that pay taxes on their sex selling. Not one. If it's their sole income then yes they are leeching off of societies benefits (schools, sidewalks, fire, police, etc).

I think maybe you need a trip to SE Asia (or many / any Latin countries, China, and PI). Lots of "under paid" girls there that you can advocate for there.

Uh, yea, been there and done that. Plenty. Worked in S'pore and Philippines more than you'll ever know. Middle East, too.

Your thought process on why prices are 'high' due to the impact of the religious right is inherently wrong. You also keep categorizing the entire USA and my point was about Honolulu specifically. There is not "religious right" in this State that is historically left wing democrats. The church has little impact on the sex trade here. Hawaii's abortion laws were leading edge and remain so. So again, your political view is wrong, too.

I'll say it again, I nor anyone else are going to say anything to change your mind obviously. But you've got done seriously wrong views about Honolulu and this state in general. You're not from here and sound like ex-military. Nor am I trying to white knight the girls. Your reading comprehension needs work.

[AwabiLover]

Not one bit of disagreement here. Girls set their rates and guys decide to buy or not. Pretty simple. There apparently are guys advocating that the girls should raise their rates based upon inflation. Using the example if a girl making $200 a session 10 years ago deserves an increase in her pay. I don't agree on several fronts too include she's got 10 more years of milage on her. If you want to be a white knight and advocate for increasing the pay for hoes go right ahead but I just can't support such a stupid concept as increasing pay based upon inflation for an already overpriced commodity.

IMO. Not looking at the inflation aspect. 2 bills for AMP 5-6 bills for Escort is fair but ultimately it's up to the provider and us to decide to accept it or not. I just don't like when I hear providers and consider it disrespectful and downright rude when a monger dine and ditch or knowingly give less when they know before going in what they were supposed to give.

I appreciate the guys who TOFTT and then share their positive, neutral or negative experience at AMP or indie. Their feedback determines if I will take the plunge or not.

[Shipshape]

You can hold fast and not pay above 200. Just because you have a limit doesn't mean the girl or other mongers need to abide by that too.

For myself, I liken these ****** to cars. Same reason I won't pay to fuck certain girls once they gained weight or are past their prime in looks or service. Why should I when there is so much available? Many can argue that we have less available now, but really it's not, it just costs more to have more options. Back in the day when pussy cost $. 06 or whatever you paid back when the dinosaurs roamed, there was still guys crying about how expensive it was.

Not one bit of disagreement here. Girls set their rates and guys decide to buy or not. Pretty simple. There apparently are guys advocating that the girls should raise their rates based upon inflation. Using the example if a girl making $200 a session 10 years ago deserves an increase in her pay. I don't agree on several fronts too include she's got 10 more years of milage on her. If you want to be a white knight and advocate for increasing the pay for hoes go right ahead but I just can't support such a stupid concept as increasing pay based upon inflation for an already overpriced commodity.

[PoonPounder808]

They can and should charge what they want to and it is up to the monger to choose to pay it or not. They do not have to conform anything we want. If a girl wants $1 k for 15 min and won't take less then it's up to the guy wanting to fuck it to determine if they can or cannot afford to. Simple as that. You can't or won't pay that much, that's your problem not the girls. Always, and I mean always, got guys that will pay a lot for very little. I know a guy that pays hot girls $1 k to come hang out at the coffee shop.

The flip side in the monger. You can hold fast and not pay above 200. Just because you have a limit doesn't mean the girl or other mongers need to abide by that too.

For myself, I liken these ****** to cars. I used to own an older 911, best car in its day, but then newer ones are better in every way. I wouldn't ever buy an older 911 now that I have a new one. I might rent one for the day on a whim for old times. Just would never buy one even if I could afford 5 of them. Same reason I won't pay to fuck certain girls once they gained weight or are past their prime in looks or service. Why should I when there is so much available? Many can argue that we have less available now, but really it's not, it just costs more to have more options. Back in the day when pussy cost $. 06 or whatever you paid back when the dinosaurs roamed, there was still guys crying about how expensive it was.

[Shipshape]

OK so why does the price for pussy in Hawaii cost $200 an hour (in the AMPs) and cost $200 a day in Thailand (and cheaper Cambodia, China, and Vietnam). I was in a discussion with a guy who thought the girls here should get a raise due to inflation. I just can't see it and could use some clarity. It is my contention that under educated, unskilled labor is getting quite a lot (over $3 per minute) so their wages are pretty darn good already. Yes I know and appreciate their acting skills but there is no way that "skill" matches up with a brain surgeon, for example, who could quite possibly make less after paying taxes (something the wh**re doesn't do). It comes down to this hypocritical country that claims freedom from religion forcing it's morality on all of us. Make it illegal and the price goes up. Its as simple as that I think. Don't get me wrong. I'm all in favor of fair pay for fair work and I do luv my working girls but I just can't get on the side of getting them a raise due to inflation.

SS.

[AwabiLover]

Its fine to not want to pay more, but no need for bad intellectual justifications or to insult folks who state the truth, just say "I don't want to pay more..

Just don't go. Plain and simple. No one is forcing anyone to do anything they don't want. Grumble a little is fine but damn some of the comments sounds like them over privileged kids who the world owes them.

[Shipshape]

Its fine to not want to pay more, but no need for bad intellectual justifications or to insult folks who state the truth, just say "I don't want to pay more. ".

Wow that was cool the way you created a completely false quote and attributed it to me. How did you do that? I've used up way too much of this threads space by being off topic. Moving.

[DeeJohn808]

Lots of justification for not wanting to pay "wh**res" more.

Its fine to not want to pay more, but no need for bad intellectual justifications or to insult folks who state the truth, just say "I don't want to pay more. ".

[Shipshape]

Wow?! Not trying to "White Knight" these girls at all. I've been around awhile, seen the good and bad providers. They don't need my involvement.

That you think these women are just "uneducated wh*res" that are making more money than a 'brain surgeon' while simultaneously living off the benefits of our taxes because you assume they are not paying any, is an interesting if not abysmally sad view of providers in general. You even throw the Christian right under the bus.

Interesting post. Nobody, including me, is going to say anything to change your mind.I
Of course I could be a total fucking idiot and what kind of bullshit am I talking about. Ha! Don't listen to me!? WTF do I know?

My opinion / statement stands. I said "for the most part" not all. I'm sure and know some (a few) well educated who*es. Don't get me wrong, many are very nice actors and provide excellent service, but to justify their pay level based upon economic inflationary pressure is silly. Their price is based upon traditional pricing in the USA, and morality laws that are forced on this country by religious types or vocal anti-sex organizations. The pricing is not universal and the "morality" issue is unique to counties where religious groups have been able to gain control of that society (e. G. The US, and most Muslim counties). My only simple advice is to consider the causes of pricing here before you white knight for higher costs based upon the girls haven't had a raise. As for the religious right types, heck yah I place cost blame on them as through the years they're the ones trying to contol our lives (with the anti abortion laws being their latest abomination). Finally I don't know any "girls" that pay taxes on their sex selling. Not one. If it's their sole income then yes they are leeching off of societies benefits (schools, sidewalks, fire, police, etc).

I think maybe you need a trip to SE Asia (or many / any Latin countries, China, and PI). Lots of "under paid" girls there that you can advocate for there.

[Darkman808]

I must say it's an interesting point of view but your whole premise of value and compensation for service rendered is really off balance in my book. The girls selling pussy are, for the most part, under educated wh* In many cases they are making more than a top paid brain surgeon. Plus they are leaching off of societies benefits by not paying taxes. I love them all and wish there were more, but let's not white night these girls by trying to justify their $150+ an hour wages via an inflation angle. Do you truly understand economics or are you just accepting an overinflated perceived value for a commodity that quite literally has become that way thanks to the laws created in this country. The girls probably should be thanking the christian right for making their jobs very lucrative.

SS.

Wow?! Not trying to "White Knight" these girls at all. I've been around awhile, seen the good and bad providers. They don't need my involvement.

That you think these women are just "uneducated wh*res" that are making more money than a 'brain surgeon' while simultaneously living off the benefits of our taxes because you assume they are not paying any, is an interesting if not abysmally sad view of providers in general. You even throw the Christian right under the bus.

Interesting post. Nobody, including me, is going to say anything to change your mind.

Bottom line for me in my original post was, there are still a lot of AMPs in this town. That there are rarely any girls (IMHO) worth going to see is a reflection of economics. Supply of good young attractive pussy versus low wages earned per hour, is obvious.

There isn't any good young skilled pussy with customer service in mind because the money ain't worth it for providers. They are out there, just not in Honolulu. Mongers on this board whining about how much they pay now might wish to consider upping their game / reward and perhaps we might start seeing an infusion of good providers again.

Of course I could be a total fucking idiot and what kind of bullshit am I talking about. Ha! Don't listen to me!? WTF do I know?

[PoonPounder808]

Man you full of shit! You criticize other mongers for complaining about girls looks. And in another section you ask if Miaa still fat. Then you brag about how you couldn't be paid enough to fuck her?

I'm just saying guys here are cheap and complain about things like they paying big bucks. I can have an opinion on looks especially because I can afford to pay for the looks I want. If Miaa wasn't fat I would pay her 300 for Greek, maybe even more. My point is guys here want high quality stuff but aren't willing to pay high quality prices. If Miaa was grade a, she would get my top dollar.

[CheapCharlie]

It's cute then guys complain about girls looks and services and rates. Good things come with a price. Even if the hobby is illegal it doesn't mean it's cheap. You wonder why there are high end stores on the island when 95% of the locals can't afford it? Same reason there is high priced ****** around. They aren't for you. Go sit at McDonald's and get your senior discount shrike the rest of use partake in the finer things.

Man you full of shit! You criticize other mongers for complaining about girls looks. And in another section you ask if Miaa still fat. Then you brag about how you couldn't be paid enough to fuck her?

[CheapCharlie]

It's cute then guys complain about girls looks and services and rates. Good things come with a price. Even if the hobby is illegal it doesn't mean it's cheap. You wonder why there are high end stores on the island when 95% of the locals can't afford it? Same reason there is high priced ****** around. They aren't for you. Go sit at McDonald's and get your senior discount shrike the rest of use partake in the finer things.

What's a shrike?