Non-Pros, UTR, SBs

[Member #6014]

SouthernJohn.

Thanks for the info. I'm quite new to this and appreciate anything you guys can share.

I don't have much $ so I've been hesitant to search out a SB in the way you've described but I'm going to give it a shot and see where it leads.

[SouthernJohn]

This is a repost of a posting I put on the Knoxville TN board. I'm through Greenville often and have 2 potential SBs that I am talking to right now in your area. Hope the following perspectives are helpful.

I've seen much written on the approach to use with non-pros and ladies on SA (and similar sites) across various media sources, in addition to private discussions. What I have come to understand is that your approach needs to be consistent with what you want. If you are looking for a brand new SB to break-in, there are approaches that are better aligned to success in that arena. If you are looking for an experienced SB, there are certain approaches that are in your favor.

I got into this world without knowing it over 3 years ago. I had a fabulous relationship with a lady in another state. My move to TN has torn us apart and thus started my quest for a new SB. I turned to SA because I didn't have the time to put in the legwork to cultivate a SB from the general population.

I don't have a lot of time, even given the SA supermarket of shelves stocked with all manner of potential SBs. So, I have developed a style that works for me. Many SDs like to be congenial in online communications with potential (POT) SBs. They want to schedule a meet soon to assess compatibility and see if intimacy is in the cards. They often slow-play the situation so as to not frighten off POT SBs.

I made the decision that I don't have time to work on creating meets that may only reveal incompatibilities. On addition, my business and personal travels take me through other larger cities, so my range for POT SBs covers local options plus those in other cities I frequent.

I use a process to learn as much about the POT SB as quickly as possible. Most have vague statements on the profile concerning what they are looking for. Unless she is very specific and I can rule her out based upon that, I have no problem contacting them. I cast a wide net on SA ignoring the amount they request. I am honest and accurate on my profile (don't put average if you are overweight). I don't post a public pic, but can share a private one if requested on SA.

If I get any interest back on SA, I engage quickly. Be advised, many of the younger girls get on the site infrequently and will shoot out responses to their 50 messages and then be gone for 3 or 4 days. I have no patience for that and move on.

For those that I start a dialogue with, I'm looking to establish compatibility quickly. I usually describe my current arrangement (time, frequency, general activities, etc) and ask if they are interested in something like that since I need a replacement SB. I then reveal more about my intimacy approach and ask about theirs. I ask them what they need (economics), but do not reveal what I have provided my SB. I let them know that every arrangement is between me and that SB (builds trust that you won't be discussing their business). I let them offer a number, but never treat them negatively for it. If it is crazy, I restate it like, " So you want $2000 to meet for about an hour in public once a month?" Followed by, "If you find that guy, tell him that I'll meet him for $1500. " Her reaction will tell you if she is reaching for as much as she can get, or has GPS.

During our discussions (SA, text, phone, e-mail) either of us may determine it won't work for compatibility issues (personalities, activities, availability, intimacy, economics). The sooner you can establish a problem and move on, the less time you waste.

A few weeks ago, I had meets lined up for 6 of 7 days (5 ladies, 1 repeat). 100% success rate on intimacy for 3+ hours with each. They were from as far away as 3 hours and all meets happened from Knox to Cookeville. Total outlay was less than 1300 including food and hotels, where needed. A good week, but had to rest to let skin on Mr Happy regenerate. Serious condom burn from ones that are to increase HIS pleasure. Nope.

I've had a few ladies flake on a meet, but I check ahead of time and have back up plans. I've had 1 meet that resulted in a planned session a few days later and she flaked before intimacy.

I know what I want, I go after it. I don't tolerate BS, irresponsibility, or lying. My experience is that the young girls may look great, but they are more trouble than they are worth to someone that is busy. Also, most can't hang in there during intimacy. I've found great success with insatiable, stable women.

Figure out what you want and what you are willing to invest. Take the plunge and develop your style. If you have any game, you will be successful.

[Member #6014]

If anyone knows of a UTR who's looking for a new customer, please let me know. I'll treat her right. Just tired of the BS I encounter with BP and want a non-pro. Would like to find one good enough to be a regular.

Thanks as always for any info.

[Zauriel]

Both girls have stopped replying to me once they realized I was not going to give them thousands on the first visit.

I think I have also.

Regardless, I've gotten tons of sob stories. I reply back to the "I've been robbed" with a "Show me the police report, and I'll make it right. ".

Keeping on topic to this thread... it's usually to post their husband's bond when they want so much $$$ so fast upfront.

The women on CL and the SB sites are looking for chumps mostly. Be safe out there too. ALWAYS keep it pay for play.

I always tell them during our exchange I'll give them enough money to make payments on a BMW easily. They're not interested in payments.

[Constructdude]

I've seen that face before.

I think I have also.

Regardless, I've gotten tons of sob stories. I reply back to the "I've been robbed" with a "Show me the police report, and I'll make it right. ".

Keeping on topic to this thread... it's usually to post their husband's bond when they want so much $$$ so fast upfront.

The women on CL and the SB sites are looking for chumps mostly. Be safe out there too. ALWAYS keep it pay for play.

I always tell them during our exchange I'll give them enough money to make payments on a BMW easily. They're not interested in payments.

[NCBeachBum]

She told me up front she is a BBW. I am okay with that as I just want oral from her. Thanks, NC.

Perfect for that.

[Zauriel]

She told me up front she is a BBW. I am okay with that as I just want oral from her. Thanks, NC.

I saw her last year. Cost me dinner. She is much heavier than she appears.

[NCBeachBum]

This sweet 23 year old honey responded to my ad. Said she is in desperate need for cash and would do anything to get it. The catch: she wants $1200. I told her fine. I will give her $ per visit for 12 meetings. Nope. "Sorry I wasted your time" she said. She needs it all at once. Geez.

I saw her last year. Cost me dinner. She is much heavier than she appears.

[Zauriel]

I have read and have contributed to the Richmond forum. Also the Los Angeles forum. I am tending to agree with you now about the Golden Age being gone. A shame.

I'm sure you've done your research. I had some good luck when I was on SA. It's where I found my current SB and we're approaching three years together. Lot's of local girls on the SD / SB sites with a broad spectrum of "expectations". It seems to me that the Golden Age of Sugar Daddy have come and gone. So many have GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome). The sites themselves give them encouragement to ask for big money. You seem to know that cash advances and "loans" will not be repaid and that you pony up after services rendered. It can be a rewarding experience when you find an SB within your price range and there's a mutual attraction. Just have to be patient. If you haven't found it yet, there is an excellent thread on the subject in the Richmond, VA forum.

Your 22 year old honey looks very familiar. I think she's a pro.

Good luck Z.

[Shelby 500]

I'm sure you've done your research. I had some good luck when I was on SA. It's where I found my current SB and we're approaching three years together. Lot's of local girls on the SD / SB sites with a broad spectrum of "expectations". It seems to me that the Golden Age of Sugar Daddy have come and gone. So many have GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome). The sites themselves give them encouragement to ask for big money. You seem to know that cash advances and "loans" will not be repaid and that you pony up after services rendered. It can be a rewarding experience when you find an SB within your price range and there's a mutual attraction. Just have to be patient. If you haven't found it yet, there is an excellent thread on the subject in the Richmond, VA forum.

Your 22 year old honey looks very familiar. I think she's a pro.

Good luck Z.

I don't intend on doing it. Hence the "geez. " What a shame, though. Most of the girls who have responded to my ad seem to think their vag is worth a mint.

[Zauriel]

I don't intend on doing it. Hence the "geez. " What a shame, though. Most of the girls who have responded to my ad seem to think their vag is worth a mint.

If you fell for that, most likely you would end up with nothing. NEVER loan money or advance money to a girl. You won't get it back. Best thing is to pay as you go. Tell them they can make a lot just a little at a time. I've heard so many BS lies and requests for money. And I've even fallen for a few. I'm telling you: DON'T DO IT.

GB40.

[Gigabyte40]

This sweet 23 year old honey responded to my ad. Said she is in desperate need for cash and would do anything to get it. The catch: she wants $1200. I told her fine. I will give her $ per visit for 12 meetings. Nope. "Sorry I wasted your time" she said. She needs it all at once. Geez.

If you fell for that, most likely you would end up with nothing. NEVER loan money or advance money to a girl. You won't get it back. Best thing is to pay as you go. Tell them they can make a lot just a little at a time. I've heard so many BS lies and requests for money. And I've even fallen for a few. I'm telling you: DON'T DO IT.

GB40.

[Zauriel]

This sweet 23 year old honey responded to my ad. Said she is in desperate need for cash and would do anything to get it. The catch: she wants $1200. I told her fine. I will give her $ per visit for 12 meetings. Nope. "Sorry I wasted your time" she said. She needs it all at once. Geez.

[Fredies Dream]

I've seen that face before.

[Zauriel]

I haven't naively entered the situation. In fact, it is looking like I am just not going to meet her in any case. And she is certainly not worth pursuing for more than $ per visit. But would love to know if she has answered anyone else's ad.

My assumption would be that she's not working alone. If that's true and you try to pull anything, it wouldn't just be she who is getting pissed. It would be her crew. There could very well be a significant number of people behind her. They may have assets and techniques of their own which would put them in a position to hurt you.

I think you ought to walk away from that deal while you can still walk.

LexLuther.