2000-2004 Archived Reports

[RealFun]

Is there anyone out there that feels he has a solid understanding of the new rules regulating massage in Rockford? I read the documentation of it on the web and I think I get the jist of it, but I'm no expert in legal-eze.

Please pm me if you think you have an understanding of this issue that's at the level of advanced layman or higher. I need your help fast.

Even if you haven't seen the documentation on the law, if you feel confident that you could understand it better than average Joe Sixpack then give me a holler.

Thanks.

[RealFun]

A couple details I forgot about the Pollo thing. She was acting like we had gone well over the allotted time. I was out of and then back into my car in just a hair under an hour. Three girls working, I was the only customer in the place when we started and one came in just as we were finishing up. She never had to do a ts or massage.

So basically she had to hold the shower head, get 7 oz of expensive whiskey, sit and chat, receive a massage, perform a bad-acting rush-job and then ***** about an hour session going over the 45 minute mark.

As I dressed I showed her $20 and she lunged for it and said "For me?" I whipped it back and told her when service is good I tip extra, but when it sucks I don't.

OK, now I'm done b*tching.

[RealFun]

Saw a girl named Pollo at Paradise. Mamasan gave her a fucked up name, hard to pronounce in english. I think it something like "poy-yo". To me, sounds like the word "pollo", spanish for chicken, so that's what I'm calling her. But mostly because that's all she amounts to.

If you go to Paradise, upon arrival tell mamasan you want anyone EXCEPT Pollo.

I actually really liked her at first. She wasn't that fake, saccharin gfe. No bs, down to earth. I was in the mood for that. She held the shower head while I did a stand-up self-shower. She did everything kinda matter of factly, like no point in putting on a big act. Back in the room I tipped her and pulled out my flask and offered her a swig. Her eyes lit up, and she went to get supplies. Came back with a 8 oz paper cup with two ice cubes. I told her to tell me when to stop. She said stop when there was almost no room left in the cup. Cool.

We sat and chatted and drank. Her english is almost non existent but that didn't slow her down one bit. After a while I just had to do my best to pretend I knew whatever the fuck she was trying to say. When we got down to biz at first everything was real cool. But once I was firm enough to start, that's where things went down hill. Within two minutes of getting it in, some very very subtle "rush" hints started.

Fuck it, to a certain extent crap like that just comes with the territory, I'm not going to be petty and look for faults, so I just slowed her down and said, "Hey, look, I like a little bit of time during this part. So just relax, work with me, and lets make this fun, OK?" She agreed. Lots of fake moaning with her eyes glued shut and her head turned to the side.

Only a few minutes later, more very very subtle hurry up hints. The kind of hints that girls try to camouflage as passion. Stuff like, "Ooooh, so good, I'm gonna cum, I wanna cum together, it really turns me on when we both cum at same time..." I suspected she just wanted things to end quickly. I blocked her out as best I could, and tried to make the best of it.

Here I am, paying 160 for the opportunity to STRUGGLE to make it fun.

I ended her misery and she pushed my hips away and flew off the bed, grabbed a tissue and whipped off the cover. Before I could inhale/exhale 2-3 times she was half dressed, asking me if I wanted a hot towel. I told her I wanted to shower my chage. We walked out of the room and I went into the shower room, alone, while she did her thing in the bathroom.

When we got back to the room she pointed to her watch and tried to say something about how long the session was. I reminded her that I spent more time feeding her whiskey and giving her a good massage than we spent on boom boom. She pretended to not understand but she knew. I got real simple and real explicit with her, telling her that the session sucked. She just kinda nervously laughed it off.

Pollo is sw material, her standards are well below any of the Rockford AMPs.

Her face is not bad, her bod not great. No fat but no curves. No boobs, thick curveless torso, sunken in butt and pin legs. But it doesn't matter because none of you would want to do a session with her even if she was a 10.

Avoid. And if you want to thank me for this tip, then do me a favor. Next time you go to Paradise tell them you read on the internet the advice to see anyone except Pollo. Thank you.

I popped in at Osaka to check out what's there. One girl named Ruby. She looks pretty good. Maybe around 30, but very cute with a decent bod. Hard to tell with clothes on, but her large rack looked very natural. Like, the rest of her frame looked like someone that would naturally have a large chest. And, it didn't look like she was wearing a push up bra, and her boobs sagged a little (not bad saggy, just natural and soft) and she had a long low line of cleavage. It didn't look like she had two soccer balls being clamped together by 3 lbs of underwire.

Like I said, hard to tell at a glance from a distance with clothes on. If she does have implants, I'd suspect that they look real and natural. But I'd put money on them being real. Well over a C cup. Also, nice shapely legs.

She had a great attitude about just coming out of the room to give me a look at her. Some girls hate doing a line up and really don't know how to act. She seemed very confident and sweet. But the stupid mamasan said some things that really rubbed me the wrong way so I decided to make a point by leaving.

[RealFun]

Thanks for posting, WJ. No need for apology. If I answered questions for about AMPs and you don't go, its not a waste of my time or anything. Don't feel obligated to go. Hobbying isn't for everyone. If you feel too guilty about cheating on your wife, then maybe its good to find other ways to deal with the temptations.

You are right, and have the right, to whatever feelings you're having. It only makes sense to be doing things if they are truly fun. A strip club can be lots of fun. But for some guys, its just a source of frustration because they get all worked up and tempted to want to get some action, and then as you say, the dancers seem to offer "outside services" indiscriminately. Then the whole thing just comes down to a gamble. Who wants that? Well some guys do, but they don't mind the possibility of not scoring. I'm not like that, I can't stand not knowing. When I want to score, I want it guaranteed. To each his own, we all like different kinds of action.

Its very common to be extremely nervous on your first visits to an AMP, or of course, first time doing anything like it. So its a very good idea to just go for the massage. Don't worry if you think they can tell that you're nervous. They've seen that before, they know how to deal with it, they won't make you feel bad about it.

When you go, tell them that you just want massage. If you think it will be difficult to hide that you're nervous, then don't try to hide it. You can even tell them that, just be honest. It will be $40 for house fee for just massage. It would be a good idea to take an extra $20, but don't say anything about it right away. Tell them that you're new to oriental spas (don't call them AMPs, they don't know that term) and you just want to try a massage 2-3 times and then see how things go later.

If she gets you turned on, you can decide if you want her to give you a hj. Also, don't be shy or embarrassed about maybe just masturbating while she gives you a show. These girls have seen it all, done it all, very little surprises or shocks them. One told me that its very common for some guys to not be able to cum during intercourse, that they have to (or just prefer) to orgasm by masturbating. So, the guy will get a little bit of hj, then a little bj, then do some fs in a couple positions, and then when he's ready he pulls out and rubs himself to climax.

Whatever works for you, buddy. No one needs to know except you and a girl that you will never ever see again in your life. There's nothing to live up to or prove to anyone. Not the girl, not the mamasan, or me or other members of this board. Once you get in that room and lay your money down, its all about you, man.

I heard about one guy that liked to have the provider color his whole dick with a purple marker. One guy wanted a lasso tied around his dick and to be dragged around the room. One guy wanted two girls, one gets on the other's shoulders and then both put the palms of their hands against the wall, and the client beats off while looking at them. At RS in Madison there was a rumor that a pet dog kept up there was being involved in someone's fantasies. One guy would pay an escort to come to his apt, she'd arrive and not remove one article of clothing, just stand there, the guy would beat his dick for no more than 5 minutes and cum, he'd pay her $160 and she'd leave.

It takes all kinds. Its your thing, do what you gotta do.

To answer your question, the best tip I can give for massage only would be anyone at Tokyo, or Cookie at Paradise; that's if you want a really good massage from a decent looking girl. If you want a so-so massage from a really hot chick, then go to Pine Tree.

No matter where you go, tell them before you start that you only want massage. Make sure you tell them that you MIGHT be interested in more on a later visit, but for now you just want to try things to see how it goes.

On your first visit, its not unusual for the littlest things to make you extremely nervous. Even in the parking lot you'll wonder, should I park close to the door or farther away? If I park farther away them my car isn't so obviously associated with the spa. But then, will neighboring business be annoyed that I'm in their space?

You may feel awkward as the girl leads you around the spa. You may feel self concious of every little thing you do. If she walks in before you're totally stripped you may feel dumb standing there naked except for your socks. This is all very normal. Its probably a good idea to not add on to that nervousness the pressure of having sex of any kind. Have your mind made up before you leave the house that massage is all you'll do. Even if you start to get turned on, you won't even do a hj, not even masturbation. Save that for later when you get back home.

You'll be much more relaxed (at least relatively) if, the whole time, you know that you WILL NOT cheat, break any laws, need to get it up, need to perform, need to cum. Avoid all those worries. Just have it in your head that you are going to do something that's completely safe, legal, and not cheating. You're going to do something that's similar to going to a doctor's office. You pay, you get a massage, you leave. Simple.

Sorry this got so long, and I know this info doesn't do anything for all you well established hobbyists out there. But maybe Wood Jablomi isn't the only guy experiencing similiar aprehensions.

I don't want to talk anyone into or out of anything, that's not my place. But I think its important that I give you something to think about. If you haven't yet cheated, and it makes you uncomfortable, then maybe you should think long and hard about whether or not you want to do this. Not cheating on your wife is something to be proud of. Maybe at your age, for a few years, you are experiencing strong sexual desire and your wife can't satisfy all your curiosities about other women. But maybe if you can just hold out for a little while, maybe if you can find other ways to deal with your temptations to cheat, them maybe in a few years this strong urge to cheat will pass. Maybe your sex drive will level off a bit.

Being a hobbyist is nothing to be proud of, whether you're single or married. I'm not one to say what's right or wrong for anyone else, I won't say its something to be ashamed of. But so far, you haven't cheated. It almost sounds like you need to overcome many obstacles and even struggle to bring yourself to go through with the act of cheating. If its proving to be difficult for you, then maybe its not a good hobby for you.

At the very least, consider the option of only having girls put on a visual show for you while you please yourself. Then maybe one day in the future you will grow bored with this and no longer wish to go to AMPs or anywhere else to hire providers to perform for you. Then you will always be able to know in your heart that you never actually crossed the line of cheating, of actually having sex with someone else.

I have no right to lecture anyone, I hope that my thoughts about this are accepted with the best intentions in mind. Whatever you decide to do or not to do, I hope you find peace and happiness. As always...

keep it real, keep it fun, keep it
RealFun

[Wood Jablomi]

Hi Realfun,

Hope you ha d a good holiday and got caught up on everything.

Just wanted to update you on what I did this past weekend. Bottomline, I chickened out on going directly to see Sara at Paradise. I had everything- the opportunity and the $; but my conscience killed it all- as I got feeling terribly guilty of cheating on my wife (while she was away- the hell, when else am I going to be able to?)! So a big apology to you and thanks too. I did go out on my first strip club experience- and I posted it on the NW Indiana board.

After my visit that night (and some ruminating though) I realized, that the best and safest way to have the experinece I desire, is still- like you said- the AMP! No screening done (as by escorts), dont have to get worried about rip-offs and not having to deal with $ sucking dancers who offer FS indiscriminately.

I have decided, that just as I sampled my strip club visits, I would like to just try a massage (only)- as you recommended the very first time I exchanged PMs with you. I will not feel guilty that way and can get to see eye candy and decide if such eye candy will help me (overcome my gulit and) yield to my temptations (on a second visit). Then, at a later time, I could go for FS.

I know this will probably get you mad, but for that purpose of massage only (and eye candy) which place or person would you recommend? Again, I am willing to consider going with you if you happen to be willing and the timing is right.

WJ

[Member #2650]

Got word from Coco at the Pine that Pink and Gina are now on vacation for the next month or so, and that there are 5 all new girls there. Gina may not be returning from what she told me before she left, but I guess we shall see.

[Illini333]

Any american massage places in Rockford. I dont want the asian type. Also, are the lingerie places still open? Heard they closed a lot down.

[Spy Hunter]

Had a session with Sara at PD. She remembered me from several months ago. She treated me like her boyfriend. It was a GFE (DFK, DATY, BJ, FS). She is one of the best.

[World Wise]

Anyone know of a Carry from Executive L/S? I met her last evening, and wanted some background on her, if available.

[sonically]

Unless Pink has gone to see the implant doctor, which was something she had mentioned to me in the past that she was thinking about, that wasn't her. She's an A cup. Also, the only other name that she has worked under is Pepi, but she's never used that one at Pine Tree.

[Head First]

Real Fun,

After a short vacation from AMP's, (got divorced), I made a visit to Rockford. Stopped in at Pine Tree over the week-end.

Was greeted by CoCo and put in room # 1. When asked if this was my first visit I replied yes (actually it was my 2nd time here).

She of course was very friendly and promised a girl I'm gonna like alot .. "Pink". Ok, I say, as I've read many posts about her but never met her or had a session with her.

In she comes dresses very seXXXy, with heels and a huge smile. She's about late 20's/very early 30's (?), with c-cups and a hot mini-skirt.

Was treated to an extra or 2 during the session and on the whole had a quite enjoyable GFE.

But one thing that was of interest to me was that as we were chit-chatting afterward and I asked her her name she said "Jennifer". Since I was almost out the door already and had a great time with who-ever, I didn't complain that I was promised "Pink."

On the drive home, I'm thinking maybe that was "Pink" but now she's using "Jennifer". I dunno and really don't care as here it is Tuesday and I'm still replaying it in my mind, so 2 thumbs up for whoever it was.

As far as you know, has "Pink ever gone by "Jennifer."

Also, as I'm almost out the door, CoCo comes running from the back to say "Wait, Wait, Wait a minute please, I have something for you." It's a Xmas gift in very nice gold wrapping paper with a bow on it ... blew me away. They really do think of everything there.

[RealFun]

A friend asked me to post for him, about his experience with Cookie.

Let me preface his story with my opinion that Cookie is on the verge of becoming a highly recommended provider, but she has a few nagging problems and I'm pretty sure she has no idea how annoying they can be.

For starters, she's been around for a while so she's gotten comfortable with the job, so that's good. But she may be forgetting that a newbie or infrequent visitor may still be a little jittery when he first arrives. So when my friend arrived near bar time, she "jokingly" scolds him for coming in so late. Joking or not, obviously it leaves more than a implication that she'd rather NOT have a customer arrive so late. Strike one.

Next she makes an issue about the fact he'd been drinking. My friend insists that he had just enough to make him relaxed and less nervous about going into the AMP. I understand that AMP chicks are leery of guys that have had too much to drink and that she may need to bring it up. But then in true Cookie fashion, she blew it out of proportion and wouldn't drop it. Strike two.

One great thing about Cookie is that she is an extremely conscientiuos worker. I think she sincerely wants to give you a memorable experience and show you that she's willing to go out of her way to please you. But she's not good at understanding what a customer really wants. Her massage technique is very aggressive and if you want he to tone it down a bit, forget about gentle suggestions and subtle hints. You'll practically have to argue with her, because she's so sure that you're just trying to be nice and cut her a break but she wants to work overtime to show you that despite your denials she is going to show you the time of your life...(whether you want it or not...).

One good example was years ago when I was less assertive, at the end of the session she kept insisting that I take a 10-15 min nap. I kept insisting that I didn't want to. She returned with the hot washcloth and cleaned me up. Then on her way out, she kept assuring me, "Lay down, rest, you tired, you have long drive, I want you be careful, you sleep 10-15 minutes, OK?"

I was getting dressed telling her, no thanks I'm ready to go. She left. I wasn't assertive enough at the time to holler down the hall or at least knock on the door. Now days I'd just walk out and yell good-bye. Anyways, she was genuinely shocked and dismayed that I was angry when she returned 15 minutes later. She was just so sure that it was a huge favor for her to allow me to rest.

Back to my friend. The ts was nothing special. The massage was very vigorous and she's very much into stretching and cracking different joints. Some find this less enjoyable than others. Again, a sign that she's very into what she does, but not so much into what YOU WANT.

She wasn't very receptive to touch, not very "cuddly" during the act, so to speak. Also her "acting" can be a bit insincere. "Oh come on baby" stuff is either a subtle rush job or weak acting. Either way its not very effective. She could definitely take a lesson from Sara in this department. Whenever I leave a session with Sara, on the long drive home, I debate in my mind what are the chances that she really did get into it the way she seemed to. When the blood supply finally completely drains from the small head and the big one gets its full supply of oxygen it finally begins to dawn on me, "Aahhh... duh... no way was she really THAT much into it..." The point is, she sure has me fooled during the session. And when you're middle aged and ugly, believe me, that's more than good enough.

With Cookie, during the session itself you're likely to find yourself debating whether or not she can really stomach the idea of being with you. OK, maybe its not that bad, but its close.

All of these things are totally ymmv and I think some of her bad points stem from some true desires on her part to do a great job. She's really not all that terrible and she has some great things going for her. She's experienced and comfortable with the job, smooth with the routine and negotiations, etc. I've seen solid signs that she's a decent person, far from being a player, scammer, etc. She's fair minded and is especially kind to repeat customers.

I've used this line before and I think what she needs to learn is: good sex is something you do WITH someone, not TO someone.

Lastly there is one thing I think would be a totally easy improvement for her. She has this habit of constantly asking "Are you OK?" She sounds very concerned when she does it. I don't think she realizes the annoying effect this has. You start asking yourself, "is there any reason why you'd think I'm not OK? I've said I'm OK 5 times in the last 15 minutes, what could have possibly changed?"

Right now her sessions tend to range between slightly annoying to excellent. With just a few minor adjustments she could go from ymmv to more consistently in the excellent column. The will, desire, knowledge, technique, attitude, concern, sincerity, experience, etc are all there. Just a few minor changes and she can be more reliable.

She could stand to firm up that tummy a bit, too.

[GlobeRunner]

BIG DAVE,

How does April look?

Thanks!

[Silvio]

Men,

I finally had the chance to visit Pine Tree for the first time since reading many posts on them. I was able to discover Osaka down the street from there after passing up PT. I circled around and heading back to PT. Facilities I beleive are top notch and the woman appear to be as well. I was greeted by Coco would led me into the first room as you walk in. Then came in a very hot young thing from California 5 days prior named Evee. Shes about 5'6 very slender great ass and natural perky b cup and those nips....whoa momma! Very attracive woman. Not that I was disappointed in her I asked if the infamous Pink was available and she said she was busy. I did however bump into Pink going to the TS. Wow! from my quick glimplse of her. Holy Macaral! What a beauty too. Yes she was also wearing a lite pink outfit. Very Nice!!

Evee had sensed that perhaps I really rather have seen her so she gave me that special attenetion and put forth a great effort. All in all a very good session. She tried gettin a $2 tip but I reduced to 1.4 and pretty sure I coulda gotten 1.2 but I said if u dont put in the work I'm gonna want money back. I was there for at least an hour and 15 mins. I would certainly recommend this place if you have the green.

BTW fellas where is Exclusive Lingerie Boutique at. Is the service and quality there any better than Executive Relaxation Station. Please advise fellow mongers. Thanks i advance and Happy Holidays!!!

[RealFun]

Oh Boy - you got two types of businesses. One is "adult entertainment" like strip clubs, LS's, "Bath houses" like RS in Madison, etc. Sometimes the term "massage parlor" is thrown around loosely or that's what a certain business will historically be referred to. But none of them officially, technically advertise that they provide massage services in exchange for money. They have their different "legitimate" front or cover story, but they all boil down to "adult entertainment."

A completely different type of business is a true "massage parlor" where, ahem, adult massage is on the menu. Officially, they claim to provide massage for money. Theraputic massage for health purposes. To do this, they must comply with whatever national, state and local laws and regulations apply. In Rockford a massage parlor (legit or adult) was only required to have one licensed massage therapist (LMT) on the premises while massage services were being offered by any other memeber of the staff, who basically had no requirements for education or licensing. In addition, the LMT on site also needs to be a member in good standing of a professional organization such as AMTA (American Massage Therapist Association). There's at least one other one, something to do with Oriental Therapy yadda yadda.

The change in the law will require each and every individual staff member that will provide massage to be licensed. Licensing usually requires a minimum of 650 hrs instruction from an accredited program. There may be a board or something too, not sure about that.

I haven't talked too much to the girls/managers/mamasans. They don't seem too concerned. When I look back on my many experiences, I think I can see why there's actually very little to worry about. Every time I get a massage I prefer to get it from the one that has the most education and training, anyways. I've shared with all of you my fantasies of what I'd like to do with the other assistants and attendants and visitors that I see there.

For example, for a while at Oriental Health Spa located on the side of town, there was only one licensed older lady named Imu that gave a great massage. When she got busy she would (legally) allow one of her assistants to fill in. It just wasn't the same. The girl, named Ulni, was young and cute and flirty, I was scoping her out the whole time while she helped prep me for the massage. But her massage skills were just so-so, so I always preferred Imu.

First of all, its pretty nasty to expect someone to pour scented oil on your sweaty back after you've been working all day. And one older masseuse can only do so much on her own. So I didn't mind if one of the other girls escorted me around and let me shower, do the sauna, and relax in the room sipping bottled water. If it wasn't too busy, Ulni would spend time with me and chit chat while I waited for Imu.

Ulni's english wasn't so good and I didn't come there to listen to some dunce prattle on about all of her duties around the place like cleaning and folding towels, etc. I don't know who's busier, Imu or Ulni. So I'd usually fade in and out of the conversation. My mind would really be on that hot bod of hers, and what I'd love to do to her.

Ulni was about 5'5" with med length med brown hair. Smooth skin and a decent sized chest, I'd guess they were implants. I'd fantasize every detail of what I wanted to do to her. Sometimes I'd let her massage me a little just to feel her near me, touching me, and my mind would wander. Right about when I'd be dreaming of a great climax of me doing Ulni doggy style, Imu would bust in and tell Ulni to take care of the next customer or go take a break.

Actually, that's fine with me. You never get anywhere with the hot ones, anyways. So I'd close my eyes and let old and thick Imu work wonders with those strong hands of hers.

Fantasy is one thing but I really go there for a massage. Its nice to dream that the hot, young, possibly unlicensed assistants could give you the kind of massage that Imu gives, but there's a disconnect between fantasy and reality. If you want a crappy massage from a really cute girl, well those days may be numbered. On the down low it may still happen but they'd be risking their license to stay open so I highly doubt they'll take that chance. Lucky for me, I always preferred to just flirt with the assistant and get the massage from the REAL pro.

If by chance you go in there in 2005 and an unlicensed worker offers you a massage, you should keep it hush hush. She's still allowed to welcome you in, escort you through the facility, assist you with sundries and supplies that you need for your spa treatment. Actually I'm not an expert on all the ins and outs of what she can/can't do, but I do know that she isn't allowed to receive money for massage unless she's licensed. And as I've stated, I wouldn't recommend that, anyways. As many guys that "claim" to have gotten the majority of their massages from the cute, young, untrained assistants, I'd be willing to bet that most of those guys are just talking shit about what they WISHED had happened.

For me this board has been a journal of what I'd love to do to some of those hot young girls if they'd only give me a chance. Maybe I should consider myself lucky that they stay professional and shoot me down, I really wouldn't want to put my marriage at risk.

If only, if only. I should start every post with "If only..."