Seeking Arrangements (SA)

[BMWGuy]

Not a SA member and looking for some assistance. Anyone ha e her co tact info?

https://www.seeking.com/member/703ca...a-9f474d1e2dcd

Thank you.

JL.

She's a good one.

[FreeThinker2]

What does she mean USAsexguide call outs?

https://www.seeking.com/member/f5600...3-db7663ef8ce9

Anyone see? Detalils.

PM thanks FT2.

[John Last]

Not a SA member and looking for some assistance. Anyone ha e her co tact info?

https://www.seeking.com/member/703ca...a-9f474d1e2dcd

Thank you.

JL.

[NeuroHammer]

Classic example of YMMV as I'm delving into a different end of the the Sugar Bowl (or fishing in a different cove in the Sugar Pond) for which those caveats are not part of those I regularly interact. (1) I'm not really interested in the sensibilities or general flakiness of classic college gals as I'm more into cultivating the longer-term situations that are not indicative of the unsustainable pay-per-hour scenario, (2) I'm focused on those ladies who see Sugaring as lifestyle choice and not a temporary escape from a college-boyfriend getting on her nerves; being on SA a few weeks or a couple of months will escape my radar for good reason, (3) The potential SB and I aren't expecting to depart after the intimacy aspect is over for a given session and (4) the potential SB and I are making some sort of an investment in each other at a far better price per time ratio (for me of course) than could ever be achieved with a traditional escort.

Personally I've been doing it on and off for about 3 to 4 years. Have had wonderful experiences and bad ones and even close call once with the SO early on.

Had a chance to talk with a coed from UT a few months back. We were meeting for professional reasons and her mother knows me. After spending some time together, she loosened up and started telling me more above college life. She was in a Sorority. So I asked about crazy stuff they do. She told me that the girls often talked about SB / SD's relationships. She knew of SA website. I played ignorant and asked more. She told me that it was a thing in her Sorority for the girls to be "players" on the site. Their goal was to get a SugarDaddy that would pay them just for their time only. They had no intention of doing anything more (at least as far as they openly admitted). This is just an FYI for what it's worth. Probably something one may want to clarify early.

I'm out of it now, but I wish all of you good luck. BTW, as in another thread, I agree with the PPM. My scheduling was difficult and variable so I never thought a weekly or monthly allowance would work for me. Very few SB's held fast to their demand for weekly allowance and the one who did contacted me 6 months later to work out something reasonable. Take care and be safe.

BTW thanks Milfman for all you advice.

NeuroHammer (aka. Sexlo).

[MilfMan865]

I had a 3 year arrangement (not from a site) with a college girl while she attended UT. She had her own place and I had a key. I could go by anytime and see her but typically it was 2 or 3 times a week unless we made other plans or she was back home. We did call it quits a few times so she could "date" guys her age but we picked up where we left off when she grew tired of boys. After she graduated she moved back, and is now happily married with kids. I sent her wedding gifts and gifts for her baby shower and we still talk often and I even met her husband. After that I joined SA and found a woman I saw for 2 years. I gave her money up front every month and we saw each other twice a week or more. I had a key to her place too and could come over anytime. When she was ready to get back into conventional dating and settle down, I wished her luck we both cried and we moved on. If I would have married her she would have in a heartbeat. The only reason I use the site is because I am married and it's a safe way to meet women who I do not know or is in my circle. I deal with a lot of younger professional women in my business and get hit on quite often, but knowing them professionally is too dangerous for me so I use SA and SB. I am currently "dating" a older 20's professional woman from SB who use to be an underwear model. I give her allowance at the beginning of the month and we see each other between once and three times a week. I have been seeing her for about a year. When dealing with the SA girls I treat them just like I would treat any girl I would want to date. I never ask for nudes (although I get plenty) I never bring up sex, I just let it happen naturally. Bottom line is there are girls who truly want long term emotional connections on the site. They are hard to find and normally run from the site because guys are offering money for sex right away and being creepy. JMTC and a lot of experience.

LNL.

In summary, the reality is that that no matter how much money you pay, or how well it goes or how much time you invest before hand, you may never see her again after that first meeting. So if you're worried about not having to pay by the hour, I think you're doing too much -- they're going to hang out for a while simply because they don't want to feel like a wh0 re. Likewise, if you're meeting up for ONLY dinner the first time, I think that's a waste and you could be blowing your one shot. ALWAYS meet with the assumption that you may never see the girl again. All you can do is simply hope.

It sounds like I've been using a similar playbook to LayenLow with consistently favorable results, especially with monthly arrangements that have spanned several years at a time. Still have yet to meet a gal on SA who I have wanted to see again, but the opportunity didn't materialize in subsequent meets. I attribute that to the extensive vetting process that spans 3-6 weeks with a cohort group of gals in various stages of my vetting process; or could be that "fortune favors the prepared", or elements of blind luck, but hope has nothing to do with it. I've still never made an offer to any of the gals (they indicate what they expect for their time) and I have no plans of changing that dynamic. I can see why many of those gals easily get creeped out because there are plenty of us who have a lot more disposable income than sense. I tend to stay away from the absolute statements simply because extensive anecdotal experience has proven otherwise time and time again. Find what works for you and cultivate that; I'm always interested in hearing about yours and sharing my experiences since that's a good keep the needle moving.

Dedicated to helping you help me make these mongering dreams come true (and vice versa) . ,.

Milfman.

[LayenLow]

This is ridiculous to say that because you can't find a true arrangement that they don't exist. I laugh at many guys on here who ***** and complain about having a hard time finding girls on the site to either do P4 P or have a lasting arrangement with. Yes they take time and money and yes there are fakes and scammers on the site, but most gals want to fulfill what the site is supposedly about.

I had a 3 year arrangement (not from a site) with a college girl while she attended UT. She had her own place and I had a key. I could go by anytime and see her but typically it was 2 or 3 times a week unless we made other plans or she was back home. We did call it quits a few times so she could "date" guys her age but we picked up where we left off when she grew tired of boys. After she graduated she moved back, and is now happily married with kids. I sent her wedding gifts and gifts for her baby shower and we still talk often and I even met her husband. After that I joined SA and found a woman I saw for 2 years. I gave her money up front every month and we saw each other twice a week or more. I had a key to her place too and could come over anytime. When she was ready to get back into conventional dating and settle down, I wished her luck we both cried and we moved on. If I would have married her she would have in a heartbeat. The only reason I use the site is because I am married and it's a safe way to meet women who I do not know or is in my circle. I deal with a lot of younger professional women in my business and get hit on quite often, but knowing them professionally is too dangerous for me so I use SA and SB. I am currently "dating" a older 20's professional woman from SB who use to be an underwear model. I give her allowance at the beginning of the month and we see each other between once and three times a week. I have been seeing her for about a year. When dealing with the SA girls I treat them just like I would treat any girl I would want to date. I never ask for nudes (although I get plenty) I never bring up sex, I just let it happen naturally. Bottom line is there are girls who truly want long term emotional connections on the site. They are hard to find and normally run from the site because guys are offering money for sex right away and being creepy. JMTC and a lot of experience.

LNL.

I always try to be reasonable when dealing with the girls; I figure no girl grows up with the dream of selling their self later. Because of that I've been fortunate enough to make several friends from seeking. I've had relationships that may have began transactional but evolved soon after to a normal gf / bf relationship. Several girls have stayed in contact with with me long after. There are a few that even years later we still catch up and just get drunk together like old friends. I've even became friends with a couple guys I've met through some of the girls.

With that said, I can tell you with certainty that to EVERY girl sugar dating it is purely transactional. They do it to pay bills or to buy something they want; it is a temporary fix. After several meetings it may seem like your relationship is amounting to more, but they're definitely seeing other people that whole time and --again-- they likely have a boyfriend they've been cheating on their entire time. So even if it seems like things are evolving, to them it isn't. Above all, most girls have a stigma for the way you met -- the sheer fact that you met on seeking will prevent them from ever truly investing in you. The irony, however, is that these same girls tend to remain transactional and associate love / sex to money. If you've ever dated a former stripper you know what I'm talking about.

Because of those reasons, I do not believe "arrangements" are actually possible. PPM is the only way. I actually have a lot of money. I've tried, for example, to offer $1000 a week; but I have yet to find ANY GIRL OF ANY AGE that was willing to meet several times and be paid at the end of the week, or one that was honest enough to be paid at the beginning of the week. Some examples: one girl before thought she should get paid each week but only meet once or twice a month; another wanted to continue seeing other people, even though the point of paying so much is to have something unique; likewise, every time I have ever fronted money I lost. All told, the reality is that these girls really don't know what they want.

In summary, the reality is that that no matter how much money you pay, or how well it goes or how much time you invest before hand, you may never see her again after that first meeting. So if you're worried about not having to pay by the hour, I think you're doing too much -- they're going to hang out for a while simply because they don't want to feel like a wh0 re. Likewise, if you're meeting up for ONLY dinner the first time, I think that's a waste and you could be blowing your one shot. ALWAYS meet with the assumption that you may never see the girl again. All you can do is simply hope.

[BMWGuy]

Always a student of the game - whatever that game may be .

milfman.

I always try to be reasonable when dealing with the girls; I figure no girl grows up with the dream of selling their self later. Because of that I've been fortunate enough to make several friends from seeking. I've had relationships that may have began transactional but evolved soon after to a normal gf / bf relationship. Several girls have stayed in contact with with me long after. There are a few that even years later we still catch up and just get drunk together like old friends. I've even became friends with a couple guys I've met through some of the girls.

With that said, I can tell you with certainty that to EVERY girl sugar dating it is purely transactional. They do it to pay bills or to buy something they want; it is a temporary fix. After several meetings it may seem like your relationship is amounting to more, but they're definitely seeing other people that whole time and --again-- they likely have a boyfriend they've been cheating on their entire time. So even if it seems like things are evolving, to them it isn't. Above all, most girls have a stigma for the way you met -- the sheer fact that you met on seeking will prevent them from ever truly investing in you. The irony, however, is that these same girls tend to remain transactional and associate love / sex to money. If you've ever dated a former stripper you know what I'm talking about.

Because of those reasons, I do not believe "arrangements" are actually possible. PPM is the only way. I actually have a lot of money. I've tried, for example, to offer $1000 a week; but I have yet to find ANY GIRL OF ANY AGE that was willing to meet several times and be paid at the end of the week, or one that was honest enough to be paid at the beginning of the week. Some examples: one girl before thought she should get paid each week but only meet once or twice a month; another wanted to continue seeing other people, even though the point of paying so much is to have something unique; likewise, every time I have ever fronted money I lost. All told, the reality is that these girls really don't know what they want.

In summary, the reality is that that no matter how much money you pay, or how well it goes or how much time you invest before hand, you may never see her again after that first meeting. So if you're worried about not having to pay by the hour, I think you're doing too much -- they're going to hang out for a while simply because they don't want to feel like a wh0 re. Likewise, if you're meeting up for ONLY dinner the first time, I think that's a waste and you could be blowing your one shot. ALWAYS meet with the assumption that you may never see the girl again. All you can do is simply hope.

[DrJack51]

Anybody able to chat with this one yet?

https://www.seeking.com/member/b8f6a...8-b6453a66ea18

[MilfMan865]

I think you're overlooking several issues:

(1) Most college girls don't stay on SA but a month or two on average, which makes them hard to vet.

(2) I have personally seen a huge leap in new accounts -- 99% of which just want money for nothing.

(3) SA is temporary for them

(4) Anything we can do to protect ourselves and simplify the ordeal is better.

Classic example of YMMV as I'm delving into a different end of the the Sugar Bowl (or fishing in a different cove in the Sugar Pond) for which those caveats are not part of those I regularly interact. (1) I'm not really interested in the sensibilities or general flakiness of classic college gals as I'm more into cultivating the longer-term situations that are not indicative of the unsustainable pay-per-hour scenario, (2) I'm focused on those ladies who see Sugaring as lifestyle choice and not a temporary escape from a college-boyfriend getting on her nerves; being on SA a few weeks or a couple of months will escape my radar for good reason, (3) The potential SB and I aren't expecting to depart after the intimacy aspect is over for a given session and (4) the potential SB and I are making some sort of an investment in each other at a far better price per time ratio (for me of course) than could ever be achieved with a traditional escort.

I'm always interested in learning about how SA works for those whose motivations and tactics are different than my own. The list as you outlined would have been an invaluable asset for me when I first started in SA and used it quite differently than I do now. It's all about saving the time, money, and associated headaches which could be avoided had such a list been available. The consolidated list of good versus bad SA ho's could be prove a viable guide post for those who use SA commensurate with the caveats that you outlined; especially for those just joining or on the fence about joining.

Always a student of the game - whatever that game may be . ,. ,.,

milfman.

[BMWGuy]

Nice idea and contribution to the SA pursuits. However, on the surface, this seems like "a solution in search of a problem"... Milfman.

I think you're overlooking several issues:

(1) Most college girls don't stay on SA but a month or two on average, which makes them hard to vet.

(2) Lately, I assume because of COVID-19, I have personally seen a huge leap in new accounts -- 99% of which just want money for nothing. To discuss those accounts in a forum setting would result in double digit amounts of pages.

(3) I have personally met over 100 girls on SA; and, nearly every one of them have a boyfriend. (I hate to break that to anyone that doesn't realize it.) SA is temporary for them; they only like meeting with someone a couple times so they can forget about him easier; they don't want to think of themselves as a *****. So, I don't see the point in talking to someone for several weeks when you may never meet them or see them more than once. Most of the girls don't like it either, because again this is temporary for them, and they don't really want to remember a guy that paid them for sex. And honestly, every time I have been unable to meet with a girl within three days of first contact, they turned out to be scams or fakers w / no intention of actually meeting. A list simplifies these realities.

(4) I don't know that any amount of research can totally prevent some problems. As you saw with Allycat, I had met with her several times and that particular night was a good night until it abruptly went to hell. The reality is that we mess with sex workers, we're going to have sex worker problems. Anything we can do to protect ourselves and simplify the ordeal is better.

[MilfMan865]

Lately I've noticed that the amount of scammers and fake accounts on seeking has went WAY up. In effort to help each other, I've made a public note pad that can be edited by anyone with access to it, and lists the girls that are trustworthy or should otherwise be avoided based on personal experience. It's a bit more simplified (see attached picture) than having to search through tons of posts.

The link to it is: https://notepad.pw/26yz700c.

PM me for the password. Afterword you'll be able to view, edit, and update with your own experiences.

Nice idea and contribution to the SA pursuits. However, on the surface, this seems like "a solution in search of a problem". I must be mistaken, but I thought the SA thread itself served that function. You're not having to search through "tons of posts" if you update your Notes on each gal within SA as you gain intel on her. If any of you are using SA as merely an STG or TheClassifieds alternative without properly vetting and curating the potentials, you'll likely end up inviting crazy azz women to your home, kicking and screaming while there, who refuse to leave (I applaud how that situation was handled to an amicable resolution). I still haven't met any of these women until after I've conversed with them for a few weeks and met in a public place initially (yeah, that takes time). If I get a pro-vibe at all, I'll disqualify her on the spot. They're all sex workers per se (whether they want to acknowledge that fact or not), but damn, if I wanted to revert back to my early days and pay by the hour. ,. , I wouldn't mess with SA since TheClassifieds, STG, or any other pro ho site will work for that.

Make data-driven decisions all pursuits.

Milfman.

[BMWGuy]

Lately I've noticed that the amount of scammers and fake accounts on seeking has went WAY up. In effort to help each other, I've made a public note pad that can be edited by anyone with access to it, and lists the girls that are trustworthy or should otherwise be avoided based on personal experience. It's a bit more simplified (see attached picture) than having to search through tons of posts.

The link to it is: https://notepad.pw/26yz700c.

PM me for the password. Afterword you'll be able to view, edit, and update with your own experiences.

[BigJJ44]

Southerngirl13 was a Scam. They listed as in Knoxville, after a few messages sent me their # , I replied by text, they offered pics & vids, when I declined, they sent a nude hoping it would change my mind. After researching pic it turned out to be a internet pic from various porn and nude websites of a totally different girl that had been in the net for at least 9 or so years. I called the person out in it and appears now the link is dead / deactivated. There are so many scams and fakes on the site now trying to sell pics so just be diligent and don't fall for them.

[BMWGuy]

She just quoted me $1000 a week. Naturally told her best of luck.

Yeah, and for that $1000 a week, she might meet you every two weeks.

[NerdJohn]

New profile (AliceLovely2) for a dancer / stripper that worked at The Ball. So, if that's your type, now you know.

https://www.seeking.com/member/717bb...e-85cf19f7ddba

WRD.

She worked at the Emerald before the Pandemic shut everything down, not the Ball. I inquired about services, and she quoted 400 per hour. She'll also try to make all kinds of promises if you cash app her money. I wouldn't trust her.