The Rat Trap

**Gslvs69** · 12-03-23 11:30

Very well stated. It is simple economics. The price of everything and I repeat everything is determined by what someone else is willing to pay.

GS.

Originally Posted by MMAfighter205 [View Original Post]

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

**Monger654** · 12-02-23 16:49

Originally Posted by Gene2 [View Original Post]

You posted some very valid points. Especially about mongers thinking they become a special client just by tipping more.

However, rising rates are certainly more impacted by the economic reality of inflation. Everything is costing more than it did three years ago. Even our hobby favors.

An example is I just purchased two pounds of sliced deli cheese from Costco. Three years ago this package cost $7. 99. Now it's $9. 99. Same cheese. Same package. Same flavor. That's a 25% increase in three years. Pretty typical for everything from food to rent to cars. And why this dramatic increase? Because other cheese mongers were overpaying to get special cheese? Nope. Inflation. Simp. Nothing more than that.

So apply that same inflating to hobby costs. What cost $160 three years ago should be $200 now. What cost $200 three years ago should be $250 now. What cost $240 three years ago should be $300 now. And that's where we are at. Inflation. Simp. No need to get a special prosecutor involved. This one boils down to economic reality.

Just my opinion. But it's right.

Postulate.

G2.

These Simpflation rates are getting out of hand.

**Gene2** · 12-02-23 14:41

Originally Posted by MMAfighter205 [View Original Post]

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Ultimately this entire post is pointless, because some going to simp no matter what, but this needed to be said regardless.

MMAFighter205 - Never Stop Fighting.

You posted some very valid points. Especially about mongers thinking they become a special client just by tipping more.

However, rising rates are certainly more impacted by the economic reality of inflation. Everything is costing more than it did three years ago. Even our hobby favors.

An example is I just purchased two pounds of sliced deli cheese from Costco. Three years ago this package cost $7. 99. Now it's $9. 99. Same cheese. Same package. Same flavor. That's a 25% increase in three years. Pretty typical for everything from food to rent to cars. And why this dramatic increase? Because other cheese mongers were overpaying to get special cheese? Nope. Inflation. Simp. Nothing more than that.

So apply that same inflating to hobby costs. What cost $160 three years ago should be $200 now. What cost $200 three years ago should be $250 now. What cost $240 three years ago should be $300 now. And that's where we are at. Inflation. Simp. No need to get a special prosecutor involved. This one boils down to economic reality.

Just my opinion. But it's right.

Postulate.

G2.

**StyleNProfile** · 12-02-23 12:59

Originally Posted by MMAfighter205 [View Original Post]

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all..

Perfectly stated. Treating the girls decently and overpaying are two completely separate issues and should not be conflated.

Anyway unless the forum policy changes to ban all of these simp posts, I won't be writing any further reports. I am not going to share info with guys who are just going to overpay and ruin the good action for everyone else.

**MMAfighter205** · 12-02-23 12:01

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Ultimately this entire post is pointless, because some going to simp no matter what, but this needed to be said regardless.

MMAFighter205 - Never Stop Fighting.

**Cocoacruiser** · 12-01-23 19:49

Sometimes I wish guys would be more open about their own attributes. Because it seems like some of my experiences with providers differ greatly with other mongers.

With some, I have an amazing time where others have been less enthusiastic about their visit.

Other times it's the opposite, where a girl is supposed to be super-passionate or something, and my experience has been maybe less than that.

I know everything varies according to chemistry, but I'm wondering if guys sharing their age / size / race would help winnow out the differences in experiences.

I figure if we all have certain types we respond better to, I'm sure the providers do too.

**Carlosa** · 12-01-23 17:40

Removed all ads, have no intention to reimburse providers.

**DreamForever69** · 12-01-23 15:22

Originally Posted by JimDandy8392 [View Original Post]

Thank you very much for dropping it.

But it did give us something to read over all the negative provider posts that pop up almost daily now.

**JimDandy8392** · 12-01-23 15:08

Thank you very much for dropping it.

**AjaxBlog69** · 12-01-23 14:01

Originally Posted by WayneAshley380 [View Original Post]

Here's the thing.

All that codespeak can be used as reasonable suspicion of prostitution.

If she asks if you are affiliated with law enforcement it Is used.

I have read police reports that include that as probable cause.

Annnd.

Cops can show their dicks and touch the girl if she asks them to.

There's No adequate cop check..

Lmao I thought this was some new unspoken rule that we had to go by. I hadn't been on the forum in a few months and I saw everyone talking like this and got super confused but went with it.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one confused as hell.

**Cocoacruiser** · 12-01-23 11:55

Originally Posted by WayneAshley380 [View Original Post]

I know it's the new Dream shit.

But miss me with the restaurant lingo. It's actually kinda irritating.

The girls I post for as UTRs are not pros. They don't even know the monger speak acronyms we use until I explain them Repeatedly.

I'm not going to open a new restaurant speak course for them.

It spooks the SWs, who are already fucking crazy. One hmu thinking it was a cop talking in code trying to entrap her.

I told her "Good call, thanks for the heads up".

Ok good to know. When I started in this site back in 2009 in the Brevard County board, it was kinda encouraged to use the "dream" stuff, or "I'm writing a story" stuff, so I followed suit. And as the terms have changed over the years I've kinda just followed along, and now I'm mostly in the Orlando forum but I saw it there too so kept it up.

I don't particularly worry about being tracked down over a forum post. Lord knows LEO has way bigger fish to fry if they want to become the internet police. (Hate groups, Pedos, etc).

I will happily drop the act if that is the preference here.

**Mach1429** · 12-01-23 06:08

JayJayTwo,

Agreed pretty immature and annoying.

**YoungOne23** · 12-01-23 02:22

Originally Posted by ColdOne69 [View Original Post]

I agree its really fucking annoying. And it makes me hungry when all I want to do is lose a little weight man. If it keeps up I will just start blocking anyone who writes that way. Then I won't have to read it.

We use the "dream" stuff which isn't nearly as annoying. Reading some of these reviews has me questioning WTF is up with you people lmao.

Plus it really doesn't matter what we say or how we say, there always still has to be an exchange of money, for an agreed upon act. And they have to catch us in the act of doing it. There's no case otherwise.

I'd imagine the whole monger world knows these 2 critical things and to never tie money and acts together. And the girls know better too. But yeah, this speaking in restaurants terms and shit is something else.

I think I'm changing my travel plans to Vegas, Forget Orlando HAHA.

**ColdOne69** · 11-30-23 21:10

Originally Posted by JayJayTwo [View Original Post]

The first time I read one of the posts with all the restaurant stuff, I found it kind of amusing. The second time it was a bit less amusing. By the third time, it was just annoying. Like PP47 suggested, it isn't like Uncle LEO needs some super secret decoder ring to figure this shit out, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows exactly what you're talking about. If you think "dreaming" or "restaurant review" makes you LEO proof, you're wrong. Not to mention, no one has ever had a visit from Uncle LEO over a post on this board, if Uncle LEO came knocking, he came with a lot more than some info off of an anonymous website!

I agree its really fucking annoying. And it makes me hungry when all I want to do is lose a little weight man. If it keeps up I will just start blocking anyone who writes that way. Then I won't have to read it.

**JayJayTwo** · 11-30-23 16:36

Originally Posted by WayneAshley380 [View Original Post]

Here's the thing.

All that codespeak can be used as reasonable suspicion of prostitution.

If she asks if you are affiliated with law enforcement it Is used.

I have read police reports that include that as probable cause.

(snip)

I know a real cute UTR BTW.

She's working hard on a revamp.

There is no benefit to using the restaurant lingo, same with the "in my dreams" stuff.

Totally off subject, who is this "real cute UTR" you mention? Asking for a friend. That works at a restaurant.