The Rat Trap

[JohnyBig]

So many times I see a negative review and I decide to go check out a chick anyway because she peaked my curiosity. Sometimes the negative reviews are warranted, but I have also found the girl turns out to be pretty damn good! The same is true for ones that have great reviews and she sucks not in a good way. Sometimes I have also seen where some nut jobs in hobby will post shit about a girl because they don't want others to have her. Yes it does happen more than you think. Guys with multiple handles just causing shit for a girl for no reason then they are a nut job and maybe jealous. So my advice is sometimes give a chick a chance you might find your golden egg! I've had a few! Also don't always believe everything your read there are nutjobs that can cause havoc and run these girls through hell with bogus reports and fucking with them through multiple numbers and fake date setups. Not saying some don't deserve to starve and not get our money! I can name a few that should!

Now as we head into Christmas things slow down for our Favorite girls. If you have the means think about sending something random for Christmas! Some will give me shit for this advice as they haggle every penny they spend to put their cock in one of these girls. Maybe I'm messing up the pussyflation or causing some GPS. If you have the money and you have one you see on the regular send them a little something on the cash ap to help them out around Christmas. You might be surprised on how it comes back to you in the future. Maybe you don't get shit out of it. I have the means to do so and have taken care of a couple of my favs this Christmas! Maitland mom and Jenna are my two ATF girls from the UTR board. If you don't have the means and will miss the money don't do it. Save your $$.

Just some friendly advice! Take it or leave it. JB.

[Gslvs69]

So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.

Great post, if we don't take care of the good ones we won't have any good ones.

Another point to consider is that when mongers are wasting all the girls bandwidth it prevents legit inquiries from getting through. Providers I know have shown me the endless list of texts they get sometimes. I have even experienced this when sharing info on providers I get 50 questions from interested mongers.

GS.

[Cocoacruiser]

Although in theory the idea is sound, the problem in reality is that there is anonymity for the Monger. There are no photos or anything for the providers to share and write with. Mongers can change their name, and their #s. So, how would a provider share information reliably?

Also, then comes the question of how to trust what the providers share? - Unless 2 providers know each other very well: Considering mental histories: How could one provider trust the words of another?

Being moral and upright for a monger is good to have, but in this line of biz, can we really expect that? Morality and righteousness?

SG.

Mongers can change their names, but they lose their seniority status and all the content the UTR providers use to validate them. So, sure. A monger can still ghost on this site, but doing so burns them as well. I think most of us value our reputations on here enough that we'd choose to keep our name and clear up any issues we might have caused.

Case in point: The monger in question chose to do the right thing and make amends with that provider. I've heard from both parties involved. I won't be giving out his name because he appears to have seen his error and is fixing it.

As far as providers and their mental status, thats a valid point. There are some providers out there who might try to abuse a system and leverage someone’s status. I think we as a group would be able to see thru that though.

But if they have receipts about the concern I think they should have a place to air their grievances and if it turns out the monger has a valid defense, they can bring it. It might turn out that a discussion online will sort out wrinkles in communication for either side.

[WayneAshley380]

Although in theory the idea is sound, the problem in reality is that there is anonymity for the Monger. There are no photos or anything for the providers to share and write with. Mongers can change their name, and their #s. So, how would a provider share information reliably?

Also, then comes the question of how to trust what the providers share? - Unless 2 providers know each other very well: Considering mental histories: How could one provider trust the words of another?

Being moral and upright for a monger is good to have, but in this line of biz, can we really expect that? Morality and righteousness?

SG.

There is a small and growing group with a den mother.

They share names, numbers and descriptions.

And.

The UTRs complain to their gates who put them on ignore lists.

They categorize us as Number Collectors, Photogs, Window Shoppers, Pen Pals, Assholes / Creeps, Tourists and Regulars.

A good gate will keep up with their lists and put you on the ignore list for getting new numbers and some of the gates talk to each other.

Some of the girls will send A head shot, some won't.

UTRs are told if I ever see a head shot of them it should be taken by her next gate.

If you want more pictures than are already provided you can pay for them.

That separates the time wasters.

Also.

We get good reviews also. Nothing specific, just whether they like you or not. Those guys get put into backchanneks and are first in line for any new girl or when an elusive girls drops back in for a minute. It pays to keep your face clean.

[StainGlass]

Although in theory the idea is sound, the problem in reality is that there is anonymity for the Monger. There are no photos or anything for the providers to share and write with. Mongers can change their name, and their #s. So, how would a provider share information reliably?

Also, then comes the question of how to trust what the providers share? - Unless 2 providers know each other very well: Considering mental histories: How could one provider trust the words of another?

Being moral and upright for a monger is good to have, but in this line of biz, can we really expect that? Morality and righteousness?

SG.

So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.

[Cocoacruiser]

So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.

[Cocoacruiser]

People blame inflation and what not for the up cost. Yeah that can be said for groceries and rent but not this. WE and only US control the pricing, if a girl gets GPS it's because, like he said, someone put it in her head that she is worth more. And most of the time that's not even the case.

I'm having a hard time finding a companion down here on vacation (granted I'll take some of the blame since I didn't pay for a rental car, not being able to do outcall has cost me a few times already) but I figured a vacation spot would have ample opportunity.

Nope, got nothing. Unless I want to fork over what I believe is GPS pricing.

Not trying to throw this topic fullly into economics lessons, but that's the same as any other commodity. You pay more because others are willing to pay more. If the price of Swiss cheese goes up, and the public in general rejects that price save for the few "cheese simps" out there, the price will either lower or the Swiss cheese sellers will have to rely on a very small customer base.

Bottom line is, one or two overpayers aren't going to drive up prices in an open market. They may be stupid for their spending habits, but the market price is going to stay where the average buyer controls it. It's no different than if a bunch of guys start haggling the price down all the sudden. The price isn't going to lower. It will still remain at the average, and some buyers will offer less and get a sale, others will not.

I can understand GPS if a provider is only seeing a few clients a month and one or two overpay. But in the AMP market or the regular escort market (where this complaint seems to have started from) the law of averages based on the volume of their business keeps those few over-payers (and hagglers) from driving the price either way. I don't think it's worth bitching about, honestly.

[YoungOne23]

Very well stated. It is simple economics. The price of everything and I repeat everything is determined by what someone else is willing to pay.

GS.

People blame inflation and what not for the up cost. Yeah that can be said for groceries and rent but not this. WE and only US control the pricing, if a girl gets GPS it's because, like he said, someone put it in her head that she is worth more. And most of the time that's not even the case.

I'm having a hard time finding a companion down here on vacation (granted I'll take some of the blame since I didn't pay for a rental car, not being able to do outcall has cost me a few times already) but I figured a vacation spot would have ample opportunity.

Nope, got nothing. Unless I want to fork over what I believe is GPS pricing.

[Gslvs69]

Very well stated. It is simple economics. The price of everything and I repeat everything is determined by what someone else is willing to pay.

GS.

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

[Monger654]

You posted some very valid points. Especially about mongers thinking they become a special client just by tipping more.

However, rising rates are certainly more impacted by the economic reality of inflation. Everything is costing more than it did three years ago. Even our hobby favors.

An example is I just purchased two pounds of sliced deli cheese from Costco. Three years ago this package cost $7. 99. Now it's $9. 99. Same cheese. Same package. Same flavor. That's a 25% increase in three years. Pretty typical for everything from food to rent to cars. And why this dramatic increase? Because other cheese mongers were overpaying to get special cheese? Nope. Inflation. Simp. Nothing more than that.

So apply that same inflating to hobby costs. What cost $160 three years ago should be $200 now. What cost $200 three years ago should be $250 now. What cost $240 three years ago should be $300 now. And that's where we are at. Inflation. Simp. No need to get a special prosecutor involved. This one boils down to economic reality.

Just my opinion. But it's right.

Postulate.

G2.

These Simpflation rates are getting out of hand.

[Gene2]

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Ultimately this entire post is pointless, because some going to simp no matter what, but this needed to be said regardless.

MMAFighter205 - Never Stop Fighting.

You posted some very valid points. Especially about mongers thinking they become a special client just by tipping more.

However, rising rates are certainly more impacted by the economic reality of inflation. Everything is costing more than it did three years ago. Even our hobby favors.

An example is I just purchased two pounds of sliced deli cheese from Costco. Three years ago this package cost $7. 99. Now it's $9. 99. Same cheese. Same package. Same flavor. That's a 25% increase in three years. Pretty typical for everything from food to rent to cars. And why this dramatic increase? Because other cheese mongers were overpaying to get special cheese? Nope. Inflation. Simp. Nothing more than that.

So apply that same inflating to hobby costs. What cost $160 three years ago should be $200 now. What cost $200 three years ago should be $250 now. What cost $240 three years ago should be $300 now. And that's where we are at. Inflation. Simp. No need to get a special prosecutor involved. This one boils down to economic reality.

Just my opinion. But it's right.

Postulate.

G2.

[StyleNProfile]

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all..

Perfectly stated. Treating the girls decently and overpaying are two completely separate issues and should not be conflated.

Anyway unless the forum policy changes to ban all of these simp posts, I won't be writing any further reports. I am not going to share info with guys who are just going to overpay and ruin the good action for everyone else.

[MMAfighter205]

Reading the last few pages I see why things happen the way they do now. I'm still fairly new but have gone to the AMPs significantly less lately here since experiencing the NYC scene, but man, I can really see why it's not better here in Orlando now. Dudes are simping hard with this, "I care are about the girls, let me treat them like queens and give them extra money all the time". LOL nah man. They are there to be plowed and then when you leave the next dude is there to plow. It's strictly business. None of these girls care about any of us, they are trying to make money. If they did, you wouldn't be paying. Yea that doesn't mean be an ass or whatever, but it's not EHarmony. Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple. Let me say that again in case it didn't translate.

Just be chill and clean and you'll get good service 9/10, it's really that simple.

But worse, all this "I laid down $300 to get treated better" and "I paid extra because I know it'd be good" is mind-blowing. I'm not a genius at all but even I can see rates rise because of that. When you "pay $300" or whatever, eventually you can push the standard higher. THEN you'll be paying $350 to "be better" while everyone has to pay $300. Then after that you'll be "paying $400". Etc etc. All you're doing is making the girls feel like they are underpaid by others, raising the rates, and then paying even more than the new standard. From my short time in the game I've already seen it happen once because of dudes. In the NYC spots everyone is paying more as a whole and the pay structure has changed for this exact same reason. It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Ultimately this entire post is pointless, because some going to simp no matter what, but this needed to be said regardless.

MMAFighter205 - Never Stop Fighting.

[Cocoacruiser]

Sometimes I wish guys would be more open about their own attributes. Because it seems like some of my experiences with providers differ greatly with other mongers.

With some, I have an amazing time where others have been less enthusiastic about their visit.

Other times it's the opposite, where a girl is supposed to be super-passionate or something, and my experience has been maybe less than that.

I know everything varies according to chemistry, but I'm wondering if guys sharing their age / size / race would help winnow out the differences in experiences.

I figure if we all have certain types we respond better to, I'm sure the providers do too.

[Carlosa]

Removed all ads, have no intention to reimburse providers.