The Rat Trap

[BigDaveHere1]

In her new BP ad, she has now changed her name and it seems she has moved to a different location possibly. It could be due to no calls coming her way since BG reported the trouble. But then again, providers on BP change their names quite often. Since she has advertised on our board, she should be able to address the situation going on here unless there is some truth to the story. Just my. 02 cents is all.

DW.

This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2

[Intrigued]

This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2

Haven't been reading the boards too often lately but I tried to see Shy back in December when she showed up in the Davenport area by the Wal-Mart. Set up an appointment and when I got there she said she couldn't see me unless I paid more than what she agreed to over the phone. Didn't write anything about it because I figured she was just an out of towner and would leave soon.

[Ashley23]

Yeah, I read that review and scratched my head, too. First, the girl does have a couple of good reviews from guys we don't know, for what that is worth, and a couple of bad reviews, also from guys we don't know, and a pretty nice apology from her for not answering her phone. I do hope that works out for that dude. Then this guy begging her for a good review which makes no sense at all. I think it is the full moon. Yeah. That's it. The full moon.

C3.

Oops I should had read all that was posted 1 a.

St of I was at the Marriot that's 1 of the nicest hotels around and I keep to what we agreed yes I was suppose to post and did not get around to it asap but why bash me like that when it is so not true.

[PharmaGuy]

I say first we give her the chance to respond. If she doesn't then that is an admit of guilt.

[FunHobby69]

NOT 100% convinced yet. We are yet to hear from Shy. And after reviewing BG200 past posts it looks like this happens a bit too often to him. That to me is also a huge red flag. He has more negative incidents in the past 30 posts than I have had in the past 300. Something may not be right here. I might be a bit premature in my perspective.

Breakdown for BG200 looks like this. He has reported being robbed and / or strong armed four as in 4 times since November 14. BG your allegations are way too serious to ignore. I am not doubting you yet, haven't seen any comment from the provider or any champion of hers. But can you explain what your technique is in picking, your screening process, anything out of the norm or unusual in your interaction with the provider etc. , so I can avoid. Obviously you have the worst case of bad luck in a short stretch of time in history of this forum. Seriously, I think it is time you retired for your own safety. Regardless where this ends up, be safe and stay safe. FH69.

[Sillyolman]

Have at her big guy. It will be your ass on the line not mine.

Thanks to the guy who sent me her facebook page and some other personal information about her. I believe the black dude is the guy asleep on a pillow from her facebook page. Click on his name to get a better view of what he looks like on his own facebook page.

I am not saying what you have said is bull but you do seem to get yourself in some sticky spots.

[RainbowDash3]

This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2

As an admin, I would sure as hell expect you to be able to check IP addresses that way you can connect the dots with brand new users. Sure, those can be faked, but I highly doubt these girls would pony up the tech, money, and knowhow to run through that. Similar verbage though, you can't fake that.

I hope that SM is alright though. That's a lot of BS for something so simple and natural part of life. Smh.
Another SM mentioned odd negative reviews, so that is something to think about.

[Bg200]

Have at her big guy. It will be your ass on the line not mine.

Thanks to the guy who sent me her facebook page and some other personal information about her. I believe the black dude is the guy asleep on a pillow from her facebook page. Click on his name to get a better view of what he looks like on his own facebook page.

NOT 100% convinced yet. We are yet to hear from Shy. And after reviewing BG200 past posts it looks like this happens a bit too often to him. That to me is also a huge red flag. He has more negative incidents in the past 30 posts than I have had in the past 300. Something may not be right here. I might be a bit premature in my perspective.

[PharmaGuy]

This does not sound like a fabricated story and she has posted under the classifieds but has not rebutted this. Farewell and good luck to you Shy and your pussy. Sorry I meant posse.

NOT 100% convinced yet. We are yet to hear from Shy. And after reviewing BG200 past posts it looks like this happens a bit too often to him. That to me is also a huge red flag. He has more negative incidents in the past 30 posts than I have had in the past 300. Something may not be right here. I might be a bit premature in my perspective.

[Jazak]

This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2

Think I was probably the first to see her from this area (Escort Report #2977). Great service but did seem a little on the shady side. Was not honest to me about how many girls were in the house. Guess she didn't think I would check the whole house.

[FunHobby69]

This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2

A2, understand you asked for SM report encounters with shy, so you can delete my comment prior to publication since it goes thru a review process if not directly on point or use to the community. The number 1 reason for this site is community safety. That said, I think Shy should be temporarily suspended, ad taken down, to protest those who don't RTFF as to BP review thread which is popping on this, or rat trap and only go to classified. In the real world, this is often the response to freeze the situation until more info is gathered. I guess you can PM her or email for her side. That said, I reviewed BG200 (seems he is out of Tampa) entire history of postings, obviously I don't have a life, and observe the following patterns with NO commentary from me, just the patterns:

1. I believe he has been the alleged victim of 4 cash / dash and or strong arm extortion in under 4 months.

2. Multiple responses to other's cash / dash problems.

3. Three positive posts from Tampa on providers, one from orlando. The vast majority of remaining posts on forum are negative.

4. A big problem with the oThER cite in not posting his negative review on a spacecoast BP that is published in Orlando thread but not spacecoast thread.

5. A preference for providers to provide service not in our typical list of alphabet services- not the typical menu. Again, each his own, no comment.

That's all I got to say on him, that's his history, since I indicated I would not comment, just report the pattern to save time for others here who do Have a life. FH69.

[Admin2]

This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2

For all you guys who went to see her and those thinking about going to see her, I'll issue this strong warning to you. I went to see her. She is in a gated community for a reason. A whole group of providers and their pimps are staying in a house that is listed on Vacation Rentals by Owner. They rented a house in Davenport and then in Haines City, both are in Polk County. I had a really great session with her. One of the best I have ever had. She acts crazy at times often talking to herself and throwing things. I agreed to $1.80 for an hour. She left the room a number of times, leaving me lie there for up to 15 minutes. I was told to just lie there until she comes back. She would wander through the house making contact with her other friends. She would return and while she was there her performance was excellent. As we neared the end of my time, she all of sudden says your time is up, I'm done with you. I had to beg her to take 2 more minutes to finish me up. Now she wants more money. She wants to be paid for the time she spent in the kitchen eating and talking with the other people in the house. I offer her a bonus of $. 5 for how well she performed. She goes nuts and into a tirade telling me I have to pay her a whole lot more. I offer her $3.50 and she runs out the bedroom door calling for someone in the house. I'm putting on my clothes and in comes 4 more people. Two are providers and two are pimps. One is a black dude about 5' 10" and 275 lbs built like a brick shithouse. The other pimp is just a scrawny runt who is lucky I didn't throw him through the window which is right behind me. I finish putting my clothes on and the black pimp blocks my way out of the room. He says you aren't going anywhere. There are 5 people standing in my way of exiting the room. He tells me to pay the girl what she wants. I told him I already paid her $3. 50 and our agreed upon session was for $1.80. He tells me you are not leaving this room until you give her what she wants. I tell the guy I won't hesitate to bring the police in here. He tells me, you think we care about the police? We don't own this house. I tell him you won't get another dollar out of me. Shy says I want more money out of you right now. I refused. She says I got to have more money. Give me $. 20 at least I have something. I told them I'll give them $. 20 but they have to back out of the room and open the front door of the house before I will pay them. They slowly and very cautiously backed out of the room and blocked my way to the front door. They said give me the money. I told them to open the front door. They didn't and we went around this discussion a few more times before they decided to open the door. I gave them the $.20 as I went out the door. I knew at this point if they tried anything, the neighbors would come running out. To the guy who went to see Shy a couiple weeks back, it's a good thing you told her you didn't have any more money, because she probably would have taken it away from you if she saw it. This is the first time in over 4 years anyone has ever accosted me. I'm a very easy going guy. The cost of my 1 hour encounter was $3.70 for an agreed upon session of $1.80. Had the police been called, I would have charged them with holding me against my will. It certainly would have been difficult to prove. Since this encounter, I have gone out and bought personal protection. The next time someone tries to accost me I will be ready for them. The reason they are in a gated community is that it protects them from you trying to retaliate. You can't get near the house without showing an identification at the guard shack. I won't say how, but I got my revenge.

To all of you considering making a trip out to Haines City or Davenport to see any of these providers, I've done the best I can to warn you of the dangers you might encounter.

http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEs...78one/11922751

http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEs...-0965/12076030

http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEs...-5692/11927749

The pictures in Shy's ad are not her. None of them are. They are close but definitely not her. One of the pics is Jan Selter, a fitness model from New York.

Be extra careful when responding to an ad where the person you encounter is not the one pictured in the ad. If you have trouble, you can't refer to that picture as being the person you encountered.

If you write a review, all the person has to do is change her phone number and use a new picture to invalidate your review. The thieves and the bad providers know this trick and use it.

[Camera3]

What is a White Knight? Is it one of those things that is difficult to define but we sure know when we see one?

I defer to the founders of our board. Here is their definition:

White Knight: A poster who defends or "comes to the rescue" of a provider who has been reviewed poorly, regardless of whether the review is accurate.

I don't think anyone cares if you review a SP more than once. I think we might want new material each time. I mean, why are you giving a second or third or tenth good review? For myself, the only time I have reviewed a SP more than once is if there was something different, maybe new and improved or maybe she went South.

As stated, I am happy to tell all of you that a SP has a need for more business. I won't lie to you about her. I have never embellished the truth or fabricated a review. In fact, if anything, I tend to be a little shy at giving details. Deciding if a SP is "good" is so subjective. I mean, what is a good BJ? What is good FS? We are all amazed when a SP insists on a CBJ and then it is really good. I remember one SP that I used to see from time to time that everyone knew was mechanical. I agree, but her service was so predictable that I sometimes just wanted to know what I was in for. Not great, but good and never a bad time. There are just days where that makes sense.

I do like your statement and agree, there is a bit of a white knight in each of us. Face it, we do find ladies that we just like and want them to succeed. It doesn't matter the reason. That is ours to own. On the other hand, there are ladies I have not reviewed because, frankly, I want to keep them to myself. Yeah, I know, that ain't going to happen. I also have chosen not to give a positive review without asking the lady if she would like me to. Bad reviews. No way. If a lady earns a bad review then she gets a bad review. There are several ladies on here that I have never reviewed. They don't need it. Oh, I would be happy to review them, it is just when everyone knows that these legends are the holy grail, what can I add to it? I really prefer to write about new finds or finds that happened in an unusual place or, as my recent tour in the Western part of our country, some finds that were new and I wanted to primed the pump for more activity in that literary club. Or, in one case, a real soul searching review on a particular ethics question in the hobby as I discovered a most unusual lady, one that no one else will ever experience the way I did. Then again, I am holding a review back until I decide if it should be a good or bad review. It happens. Yeah. There are ladies and dates that are both at the same time.

OK. Some random thoughts and opinions.

C3.

Otwist, appreciate you providing some clarity and definition. And yours Jazak. Some members PM me and I will respect their privacy. The theme to me is pretty clear, post your fiction with truth, avoid challenging others if their opinion differs, and don't make excuses for a provider. Don't think I did that with Ashley23, I tried to generalize it to young SP as a whole. I did call out the prior negative reviewer, but I think it was only on an objective matter as to the layout of the hotel. Not as to what happened behind door#1. My apology if that was not the case as that would clearly constitute a white night. Still perplexed on one question, that is not to provide multiple reviews (overkill). Philosophically, that is really at the heart of what motivated me in the first place to ask the question. I have a personal interest in providing a positive review (assumption is it is truthful), if for no other reason than I want the SP to well healed and busy so she stays around, so I can continue to enjoy my dreams. Purely, self interest on my part. I think there is a bit of white knight, promoter in many of us. I read posts like " you got to see her" or " treat her well so she stays around a long time" etc. Clearly, the author does such, in some small part, because he wants the lady around next week or next month because she treated him well. I will continue to write my dreams as I see them and I think I'm figuring out where the line is. If not, I am confident I will get some unsolicited self help from our club of distinguished literary authors by being called out (actually my persona) and not me personally. Thanks all. FH69.

[FunHobby69]

There is nothing wrong with writing a positive review or two about a provider that has some average, or not so good reviews. It becomes white knighting when you write 10 or 12 reviews on her in a year. It becomes white knighting when you argue with other member's negative posts on the same provider. Most of the mongers on here will accept a couple of positive reviews on a shaky provider, because we know YMMV.

Otwist, appreciate you providing some clarity and definition. And yours Jazak. Some members PM me and I will respect their privacy. The theme to me is pretty clear, post your fiction with truth, avoid challenging others if their opinion differs, and don't make excuses for a provider. Don't think I did that with Ashley23, I tried to generalize it to young SP as a whole. I did call out the prior negative reviewer, but I think it was only on an objective matter as to the layout of the hotel. Not as to what happened behind door#1. My apology if that was not the case as that would clearly constitute a white night. Still perplexed on one question, that is not to provide multiple reviews (overkill). Philosophically, that is really at the heart of what motivated me in the first place to ask the question. I have a personal interest in providing a positive review (assumption is it is truthful), if for no other reason than I want the SP to well healed and busy so she stays around, so I can continue to enjoy my dreams. Purely, self interest on my part. I think there is a bit of white knight, promoter in many of us. I read posts like " you got to see her" or " treat her well so she stays around a long time" etc. Clearly, the author does such, in some small part, because he wants the lady around next week or next month because she treated him well. I will continue to write my dreams as I see them and I think I'm figuring out where the line is. If not, I am confident I will get some unsolicited self help from our club of distinguished literary authors by being called out (actually my persona) and not me personally. Thanks all. FH69.

[Otwist]

I debated coming into the "trap" but being a catalyst for the recent white knight discussion I thought I would throw out the question: what is a white knight? I provided a very positive and what I believe a well written articulate review of Ashley23. Had a return dream last night, also positive, and now concerned if I post a second review, I will be labeled a white knight because of other contemporaneous negative reviews. I don't believe that our community should "chill" the desire to publish short fictional stories. But I don't want to stir a Dallas redo and have some post count ***** eunuchs with zero to contribute on the bread and butter threads chime in and attack me. The fact is our canvases can sometimes be rather young, immature, and your mileage may vary on a day to day basis. Sometimes it's not them, it's the author; his appearance, attitude, expectation level, and his lens he sees thru on whether this hobby is a right or privilege. A SM previously provided good tips on how to treat the lady which I have followed to a tee; particularly asking them what they like also. Quite simple, treat them like you would a girl you have been dating and now how the opportunity to jump into the sack for the first time and you will increase your chances of being rewarded in return. And so, if I post a second positive review, particularly after the prior discussion, am I a white knight?

In rainbowdash3's defense, I always ask the lady if I can post a review (if it was a relaxing dream) and yes request she responds so I can establish some credibility which increases my hobbying opportunities. But I would never barter over a review in return and skew it for an acknowledgment as that constitutes treason to our fellow comrades in the foxhole IMHO. Impacts your credibility rainbowdash3. And on that subject, you indicated when you left the room, you noticed a girl sitting on the stairs giving you the evil eye. WTF, the cheap ass hotel has an internal hallway. There are no stairs visibility present except the standard emergency escape type behind a steel firewall door. So I don't know how you got eyeballed when leaving or how you could observe Ashley23 talking to this girl unless your loitering in an internal stairwell which is pretty awkward and not in your account, or how you know they saw your car as it would require them to leave the building entirely and step out into the parking lot. However, when I left the room, there was a white guy mid twenties or younger leaning against opposite hallway wall no more than 3 feet from me that gave new meaning to the term " mean mugging me". Scared the shit out of me. I likely will not return unless I get a satisfactory explanation.

On C3's take on capitalism, worked for me. First time painting on the canvas, the cost of supplies was 120 for the smaller canvas which I note was the box store's advertised price with the full canvas advertised at 160. For my second dream, the full canvas price was on sale. So thank you rainbowdash3. In both my painting of a story, there was no hidden fee, taxes. Love supply and demand of the free market.

So, I ask again, what is a white knight?

There is nothing wrong with writing a positive review or two about a provider that has some average, or not so good reviews. It becomes white knighting when you write 10 or 12 reviews on her in a year. It becomes white knighting when you argue with other member's negative posts on the same provider. Most of the mongers on here will accept a couple of positive reviews on a shaky provider, because we know YMMV.