The Rat Trap

[Waarthog]

You can spin all of this any way you choose. But you can't get away from the fact that we have had the worst experience with this virus (in terms of cases and deaths) of any industrialized country in the world. I miss the days of 'the buck stops here' now its "I take no responsibility".

Know this won't be met well, but facts are stubborn things.

We are the 3rd largest country in the world plus one of the most competent in gathering data. Factor that into your doom and gloom statement.

[Harry Plopper]

I would echo this statement. C3 is right.

The 40 million of us who have been financially destroyed by shutting down the universe aren't moved by the mismanagement and double talk. Medical pros told us masks were unnecessary and now they are required. Why the change? They say because they didn't want us to panic. Bullshit. The idea of deliberately lying because they think we can't handle the truth is the epitome of elitism. Translated, "I know what is best for you and you don't, so listen to me because you are too stupid to take care of yourself. " The problem is, if you lie to me once, how do I know if you ever tell me the truth? "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" comes to mind. We also know the numbers are skewed, enough documented cases of accident victims dying and their death blamed on the Rona.

Should facts and science determine our decision? OK. But what do you do when the scientist lies and the "facts" are misrepresented in the press with an agenda?

Because, here is my take on it all. It was not necessary to shut down the economy. It wasn't necessary for the five pandemics of the 20th century or the previous one of this century. No. The economy was shut down for political reasons. We need term limits and a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.

Now I feel much better.

C3.

[Bauce]

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[PapiCholo]

You can spin all of this any way you choose. But you can't get away from the fact that we have had the worst experience with this virus (in terms of cases and deaths) of any industrialized country in the world. I miss the days of 'the buck stops here' now its "I take no responsibility".

Know this won't be met well, but facts are stubborn things.

Stupid people don't like facts and science, they base their decision on emotions and what they read on Facebook feed.

"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person".

-Bill Murray.

[PapiiChulo]

I thought this was a mongering site. Not CNN. Especially spending hundreds on pussy while complaning about the state of the economy. Sounding like a bunch of priveliged NBA players.

[TrollingObt]

You can spin all of this any way you choose. But you can't get away from the fact that we have had the worst experience with this virus (in terms of cases and deaths) of any industrialized country in the world. I miss the days of 'the buck stops here' now its "I take no responsibility".

Know this won't be met well, but facts are stubborn things.

It's a disease that impacts older adults much more seriously and the underlying illnesses have a great deal to do with it. Unfortunately this is not a healthy country. The FACT is that the US has an obesity rate over 36% which is much higher than any other industrial country. That compares to 23% for Spain, 22% for Germany and 21% for France. It's not even close.

Now add to that the FACT that the United States has higher PROPORTION of adults over 65 years old than any of those countries and it blows away your argument. Then you can tack on the number of citizens that travel to and from China and the US to any other industrial country. Do you think the Chinese travelers are overwhelming Tijuana, Brazil, Turkey or Quatar?

You're talking apples and oranges.

[RatFish]

You can spin all of this any way you choose. But you can't get away from the fact that we have had the worst experience with this virus (in terms of cases and deaths) of any industrialized country in the world. I miss the days of 'the buck stops here' now its "I take no responsibility".

Know this won't be met well, but facts are stubborn things.

There were 3200 flights from China to the US including many directly from Wuhan until Trump banned them. The scientists told him he didn't have to, Biden, Pelosi, Shumer and the Media said it was racist and xenophobic but it was the right thing to do and probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Remember Pelosi and DeBlasio walking around without masks during that time telling people that their Cities are open and safe and people should come visit? These are his main critics now that blame Trump for everything.

760,000 Chinese Nationals and Americans flew from China during that time until Trump put a stop to it. The same thing goes for banning flights from Spain and France that were hotspots and 800,000 people came to the US from there during that time. He was ridiculed about those flights being banned but it saved American lives.

The US wouldn't supply funds? Are you fucking crazy? They've spent over 6 trillion so far and operation Warp Speed has them throwing all kinds of money to get a vaccine as soon as possible. What more could have been done.

You're crying about limited toilet paper and the lack of a lock down at the same time. Are you serious?

The States are better able to determine their best solutions. Should New York City have the same restrictions as Wyoming, Montana and the Dakotas? Sure, some Governors fucked up are you reading this Cuomo?

It's Monday morning Quarter backing at its worst.

[TrollingObt]

The bottom line is our country is the worst in the world in infections and deaths. The shutdown didn't work because it was not followed up with any sort of plan. This knucklehead in the White House hasnt done shit, left everything up to the states. Shutdowns worked in other countries because they also employed testing and tracing and isolating. As for the masks, we were told they werent necessary because there werent enough for even health care workers, let alone the general population. The GOP let the cupboards run dry and wouldn't approve funds to restock our supply. Hell, we ran out of toilet paper for months, still can't buy disinfectant wipes. The president has no idea what to do. Oh yeah, a miracle is coming and this is going away any minute now, just ask Herman Cain.

There were 3200 flights from China to the US including many directly from Wuhan until Trump banned them. The scientists told him he didn't have to, Biden, Pelosi, Shumer and the Media said it was racist and xenophobic but it was the right thing to do and probably saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Remember Pelosi and DeBlasio walking around without masks during that time telling people that their Cities are open and safe and people should come visit? These are his main critics now that blame Trump for everything.

760,000 Chinese Nationals and Americans flew from China during that time until Trump put a stop to it. The same thing goes for banning flights from Spain and France that were hotspots and 800,000 people came to the US from there during that time. He was ridiculed about those flights being banned but it saved American lives.

The US wouldn't supply funds? Are you fucking crazy? They've spent over 6 trillion so far and operation Warp Speed has them throwing all kinds of money to get a vaccine as soon as possible. What more could have been done.

You're crying about limited toilet paper and the lack of a lock down at the same time. Are you serious?

The States are better able to determine their best solutions. Should New York City have the same restrictions as Wyoming, Montana and the Dakotas? Sure, some Governors fucked up are you reading this Cuomo?

It's Monday morning Quarter backing at its worst.

[Fattman]

The 40 million of us who have been financially destroyed by shutting down the universe aren't moved by the mismanagement and double talk. Medical pros told us masks were unnecessary and now they are required. Why the change? They say because they didn't want us to panic. Bullshit. The idea of deliberately lying because they think we can't handle the truth is the epitome of elitism. Translated, "I know what is best for you and you don't, so listen to me because you are too stupid to take care of yourself. " The problem is, if you lie to me once, how do I know if you ever tell me the truth? "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" comes to mind. We also know the numbers are skewed, enough documented cases of accident victims dying and their death blamed on the Rona.

Should facts and science determine our decision? OK. But what do you do when the scientist lies and the "facts" are misrepresented in the press with an agenda?

Because, here is my take on it all. It was not necessary to shut down the economy. It wasn't necessary for the five pandemics of the 20th century or the previous one of this century. No. The economy was shut down for political reasons. We need term limits and a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.

Now I feel much better.



C3.

The bottom line is our country is the worst in the world in infections and deaths. The shutdown didn't work because it was not followed up with any sort of plan. This knucklehead in the White House hasnt done shit, left everything up to the states. Shutdowns worked in other countries because they also employed testing and tracing and isolating. As for the masks, we were told they werent necessary because there werent enough for even health care workers, let alone the general population. The GOP let the cupboards run dry and wouldn't approve funds to restock our supply. Hell, we ran out of toilet paper for months, still can't buy disinfectant wipes. The president has no idea what to do. Oh yeah, a miracle is coming and this is going away any minute now, just ask Herman Cain.

[Paradise508]

I'm glad you feel much better and thanks for your opinion.

The reason the White House and fauci in partiuclar lied about us not needing masks is because he later admitted there were not enough for us silly mortals and the medical community, so they came first. A federal balanced budget amendment sounds great but we would need to dig out of the 27 trillion we are in the red on now, and can only afford the interest payments not a dime of principal is paid. , and if interest rates rise we can't afford the interest. We are in bad bad shape, but we are the best of the worse, and the worse is all other countries.

[PapiCholo]

The 40 million of us who have been financially destroyed by shutting down the universe aren't moved by the mismanagement and double talk. Medical pros told us masks were unnecessary and now they are required. Why the change? They say because they didn't want us to panic. Bullshit. The idea of deliberately lying because they think we can't handle the truth is the epitome of elitism. Translated, "I know what is best for you and you don't, so listen to me because you are too stupid to take care of yourself. " The problem is, if you lie to me once, how do I know if you ever tell me the truth? "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" comes to mind. We also know the numbers are skewed, enough documented cases of accident victims dying and their death blamed on the Rona.

Should facts and science determine our decision? OK. But what do you do when the scientist lies and the "facts" are misrepresented in the press with an agenda?

Because, here is my take on it all. It was not necessary to shut down the economy. It wasn't necessary for the five pandemics of the 20th century or the previous one of this century. No. The economy was shut down for political reasons. We need term limits and a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.

Now I feel much better.

C3.

I'm glad you feel much better and thanks for your opinion.

[TrollingObt]

We can hopefully, all agree that the virus is real, it is highly contagious and can lead to death for a small percentage. I too, believe the numbers are skewed big time. Our local News 6 reporter had to ask DeSantis three times during a press conference to get him to admit that the numbers shown as cases, were really positive test results. Some persons that get the COVID have been tested as many as ten times before they can get the required two negatives, two days in a row. So, right there, shows you the numbers are not correct.

Now, we keep hearing about a vaccine. But yet there were 62 doctors on the steps of the Capital a few weeks ago. They were screaming to the rooftops that the Hydroxychloroquine / Zinc / antibiotic cocktail works and is nearly 100% effective if started early on. They also claim that taking only one tablet every two weeks will prevent you catching the virus. There are over 300 doctors in America alone that are swearing by this treatment process. These doctors are risking their practices and reputation by doing this. But yet, they are scoffed at. In Australia, they are now claiming a 100% success rate using Ivermectin and the other two medicines used in the cocktail. Yes, the very same de-worming medicine used in horses and pets. It's even cheaper than the Hydroxychloroquine.

So I guess Big Pharma / Big Brother / Big NWO / Big who knows, wants people to die and to control the rest of us. We can't have 20 dollar drugs cure this virus when we need one thousand dollar vaccines with mediocre results, instead.

IDK what to think anymore other than it all SUCKS big time!

Covid will no longer be a major problem on November 4th.

[Vino 7373]

We can hopefully, all agree that the virus is real, it is highly contagious and can lead to death for a small percentage. I too, believe the numbers are skewed big time. Our local News 6 reporter had to ask DeSantis three times during a press conference to get him to admit that the numbers shown as cases, were really positive test results. Some persons that get the COVID have been tested as many as ten times before they can get the required two negatives, two days in a row. So, right there, shows you the numbers are not correct.

Now, we keep hearing about a vaccine. But yet there were 62 doctors on the steps of the Capital a few weeks ago. They were screaming to the rooftops that the Hydroxychloroquine / Zinc / antibiotic cocktail works and is nearly 100% effective if started early on. They also claim that taking only one tablet every two weeks will prevent you catching the virus. There are over 300 doctors in America alone that are swearing by this treatment process. These doctors are risking their practices and reputation by doing this. But yet, they are scoffed at. In Australia, they are now claiming a 100% success rate using Ivermectin and the other two medicines used in the cocktail. Yes, the very same de-worming medicine used in horses and pets. It's even cheaper than the Hydroxychloroquine.

So I guess Big Pharma / Big Brother / Big NWO / Big who knows, wants people to die and to control the rest of us. We can't have 20 dollar drugs cure this virus when we need one thousand dollar vaccines with mediocre results, instead.

IDK what to think anymore other than it all SUCKS big time!

[RatFish]

A couple things. I agree with balanced budget and term limits, but will never happen. Both parties rely on debt / deficit when in power and getting congress to pass term limits on itself is as unlikely as it sounds. Not sure an argument in favor of how US handled prior pandemics is a strong one, 675000 Americans died in Spanish Flu (1918) - extrapolating from US population at the time (about 103 MM) that would equate to a death rate of about 0. 006 - if we matched that today we'd have deaths of about 2 MM. Also, while the economy was not shut down in 1918 a lot of churches and schools were. Even masks were worn to some degree. I'd like to think we've advanced since then. The real problem is we politicize everything now, even a virus.

The 40 million of us who have been financially destroyed by shutting down the universe aren't moved by the mismanagement and double talk. Medical pros told us masks were unnecessary and now they are required. Why the change? They say because they didn't want us to panic. Bullshit. The idea of deliberately lying because they think we can't handle the truth is the epitome of elitism. Translated, "I know what is best for you and you don't, so listen to me because you are too stupid to take care of yourself. " The problem is, if you lie to me once, how do I know if you ever tell me the truth? "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" comes to mind. We also know the numbers are skewed, enough documented cases of accident victims dying and their death blamed on the Rona.

Should facts and science determine our decision? OK. But what do you do when the scientist lies and the "facts" are misrepresented in the press with an agenda?

Because, here is my take on it all. It was not necessary to shut down the economy. It wasn't necessary for the five pandemics of the 20th century or the previous one of this century. No. The economy was shut down for political reasons. We need term limits and a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.

Now I feel much better.

C3.

[NedleyMandingo]

https://www.sciencealert.com/2020-ha...-the-us-so-far

Not going to ague with you cause I can see where you are coming from but if we had done nothing at all and let Covid run it's course the excess deaths in this country would have been way higher than 8-12% we are seeing this year and I am pretty sure the Hospitals couldn't have handled it with the quick transmission rate.

The 40 million of us who have been financially destroyed by shutting down the universe aren't moved by the mismanagement and double talk. Medical pros told us masks were unnecessary and now they are required. Why the change? They say because they didn't want us to panic. Bullshit. The idea of deliberately lying because they think we can't handle the truth is the epitome of elitism. Translated, "I know what is best for you and you don't, so listen to me because you are too stupid to take care of yourself. " The problem is, if you lie to me once, how do I know if you ever tell me the truth? "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf'" comes to mind. We also know the numbers are skewed, enough documented cases of accident victims dying and their death blamed on the Rona.

Should facts and science determine our decision? OK. But what do you do when the scientist lies and the "facts" are misrepresented in the press with an agenda?

Because, here is my take on it all. It was not necessary to shut down the economy. It wasn't necessary for the five pandemics of the 20th century or the previous one of this century. No. The economy was shut down for political reasons. We need term limits and a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.

Now I feel much better.

C3.