The Rat Trap

[Ymmv1515]

Your point is well made. I believe the point of trying to help others sums it up. It's got nothing to do with personal spending. This post initially started in the Advertiser Thread because one person mentioned how out of control asking prices are getting and some others agreed. It was based on a new-to-the-area provider wanting nearly $300 for HH FS and seeing several long time advertisers bumping asking rates to 100 to 150 for QV. For some reason one person got their panties in a wad, needed to play devil's advocate and try to prove what a big spender he is and called in the posse to self-salute the position. I'm sure he, under the guise of the posse will now add a post to this comment and call me a stupid doo-doo head, call anyone I see a skank or say they are has-beens or yesterday's news and also try to insult anyone else who actually makes sense about the subject. I simply won't argue with him endlessly as he quickly loses his temper and often becomes befuddled, which is somewhat funny but mainly I choose not to not argue endlessly with him is because I am of the belief to not go into a battle of integrity, wits and logic against someone who is pretty much unarmed.

I do have two comments about a couple comments in your posts though. One is a rebuttal to what you said and the other is a helpful financial hint to help some to better understand what you are saying.

The rebuttal: It isn't BS that you can get a quality girl for 80 and even 60 for QV FS with a quality girl. The trick is that it can take some work to do it. They aren't always advertisers either although I have also gotten some better known providers (at one time or another) for less than 100 many times. Not left-overs or ones on their way downhill either. Some are from grandfathered rates so to speak as well, some were on their way up. It is a skill that some may or may not possess to negotiate down that low and the key is to make the girl not regret it. I keep my promises NOT to reveal low prices in those situations and live up to my word.

I believe that you don't lack that skill at all, I just believe you choose to go a different path due to your own preferences. I personally am a cheapskate. I will also add that Walmart is a breeding ground for decent women who just want to make a few extra bucks. I'm talking $40 to $75. I was in your same shoes at one time, long before I joined this Forum and although I am not a self-made independently-wealthy man, I do make a very-very healthy living. I would be spending way too much for way too little. Then I realized what you did, you can get more volume of visits for less per visit and be even happier. Great philosophy to live by.

The helpful financial hint: When talking big dollar amounts, like when you said you spend $1500 a month on girls, it might resonate more and be more relatable for about 5 of the current contributors to this conversation if you broke it down to how many Grandma's Peanut Butter Cookies that equals. So saying $1500 is equal to almost 1,300 Grandma's PBC at $1.09 + tax at your local Home Improvement Store, might help. Now, if you are a true cheapskate like me, it is equal to almost 1,600 Grandma's PBC because I would get them at Walmart where they are only $.88 + tax.

Grain 56.

Man you went through a lot to say nothing. Let's face it the Pink Elephant is in the room. What I experienced looks, charm and a big dick rules! These millennium girls way different what you guys are used to. If you got those three they'll be calling you their boo and trying to hook up with you or off the clock. Just live in your skin and accept the consequences!! Just continue paying up so I can have fun and stop bitching about it.

[Grain 56]

Your point is well made. I believe the point of trying to help others sums it up. It's got nothing to do with personal spending.....

.....I'm sure he, under the guise of the posse will now add a post to this comment and call me a stupid doo-doo head, call anyone I see a skank or say they are has-beens or yesterday's news and also try to insult anyone else who actually makes sense about the subject. I simply won't argue with him endlessly as he quickly loses his temper and often becomes befuddled, which is somewhat funny but mainly I choose not to not argue endlessly with him is because I am of the belief to not go into a battle of integrity, wits and logic against someone who is pretty much unarmed....

Grain 56.

From another Thread about a totally unrelated topic:

". she looks better, is healthier and cleaner then most of the girls talked about on this forum. There are dudes gushing over 45 year old ugly SW's that they take home and act like they won't (sic) the escort jackpot. ".

Once you become predictable, no one's interested any more.

Grain 56.

[GeorgeMason]

Certainly current prices are out of control. There has always been (IMHO) an illogical discussion of how some guys overpay, and drive up prices for everyone. I have always said this is an illogical discussion, rather than a legitimate one, because everyone is going to do what they're going to do, and that will never change, so why beach about it?

But regarding price increases over this past year specifically, put yourself in the women's shoes. If you rely solely on mongers for your income, and many mongers stop coming because of Covid, then what is your option to continue to make enough to cover your financial obligations? Raising prices is their one and only option. And like someone else said, it doesn't matter one iota "what they're worth" because "they make up the rules as they go". But it's also basic economics. They have the goods and services, and when demand for them goes down, the price for them go up!

So I say: "Buckle up buttercup, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better", LOL!

[Grain 56]

This Thread is more of The Fight Club than information club. LOL. You may want to check / ask in the Massage Thread or in the General Comments Threads.

Have fun at the race.

Grain 56.

Hi everyone,

I am flying into Orlando and driving up to Daytona for the race this Thursday. Is there a must see? Person in an AMP or a some one who works for themselves.

I was thinking of hitting a AMP in the Orlando area before my drive.

Any info is much appreciated.

Thanks,

B.

[Bballstl]

Hi everyone,

I am flying into Orlando and driving up to Daytona for the race this Thursday. Is there a must see? Person in an AMP or a some one who works for themselves.

I was thinking of hitting a AMP in the Orlando area before my drive.

Any info is much appreciated.

Thanks,

B.

[WindyMan]

That's because she's on seeking arrangements asking for 200-300 per meet.

Says she's "tired of young broke guys" lolol.

I'm not on SA. I don't know the 200 - 300 rate. She did quote me 150 hh and 225 hour some time ago, however it did't work out. I will say her posted pictures look nice. She probably gets the rates she asked.

[SuitNTie420]

I didn't even know she was still around. Never did end up getting to see her, basically issue with comes take forever to hear back. Didn't have many reviews and the couple I had seen were iffy at best. Seems to be same info though that she is attractive but not sure how service is and quality. The comms are just crazy these days.

That's because she's on seeking arrangements asking for 200-300 per meet.

Says she's "tired of young broke guys" lolol.

[Grain 56]

It's not really about the money to me. It's about the hobby. I probably have more in my checking account then you will make in your lifetime. That doesn't mean I have to show my ass and pay these girls 10 times their value just to say I did. I started my own company at 19 years old and retired at 45. So what, that don't make me any better than anyone else, and doesn't mean I need to go out and ruin this hobby for other people that can't afford to pay the stupid prices you guys are paying. This is supposed to be kind of a brotherhood where we all look out for each other and keep the hobby safe and fun. Give each other advise on which girls are good and which are bad and share leads to the good finds. It's not a competition. There will always be little boys like yourself in the group that maybe make a little 6 figure income and think you're big shit LOL. When you price yourself out of the hobby I'll be fine but a lot of guys won't. Those are the ones I'm trying to speak up and look out for. I used to go out and spend the big bucks on the eros girls and 3 or 4 thousand dollar overnights until I figured out it doesn't matter what you spend a nut is a nut. I still spend around $1500 a month, but that's 6 to 10 different times not one or two. Personally I spend most of my time and energy on AMP visits these days. I kinda like the young asian girls with no drug problems or drama. Most of the independent girls out there are trash. There may be a handful of decent girls out there at best. What do you have for cream of the crop these days, M1 L and Avalon? Wouldn't give you $50 for an overnight duo with the both of them. Keep your so called swag little boy. Try being a brother to your fellow mongers and keep your swag to yourself.

Your point is well made. I believe the point of trying to help others sums it up. It's got nothing to do with personal spending. This post initially started in the Advertiser Thread because one person mentioned how out of control asking prices are getting and some others agreed. It was based on a new-to-the-area provider wanting nearly $300 for HH FS and seeing several long time advertisers bumping asking rates to 100 to 150 for QV. For some reason one person got their panties in a wad, needed to play devil's advocate and try to prove what a big spender he is and called in the posse to self-salute the position. I'm sure he, under the guise of the posse will now add a post to this comment and call me a stupid doo-doo head, call anyone I see a skank or say they are has-beens or yesterday's news and also try to insult anyone else who actually makes sense about the subject. I simply won't argue with him endlessly as he quickly loses his temper and often becomes befuddled, which is somewhat funny but mainly I choose not to not argue endlessly with him is because I am of the belief to not go into a battle of integrity, wits and logic against someone who is pretty much unarmed.

I do have two comments about a couple comments in your posts though. One is a rebuttal to what you said and the other is a helpful financial hint to help some to better understand what you are saying.

The rebuttal: It isn't BS that you can get a quality girl for 80 and even 60 for QV FS with a quality girl. The trick is that it can take some work to do it. They aren't always advertisers either although I have also gotten some better known providers (at one time or another) for less than 100 many times. Not left-overs or ones on their way downhill either. Some are from grandfathered rates so to speak as well, some were on their way up. It is a skill that some may or may not possess to negotiate down that low and the key is to make the girl not regret it. I keep my promises NOT to reveal low prices in those situations and live up to my word.

I believe that you don't lack that skill at all, I just believe you choose to go a different path due to your own preferences. I personally am a cheapskate. I will also add that Walmart is a breeding ground for decent women who just want to make a few extra bucks. I'm talking $40 to $75. I was in your same shoes at one time, long before I joined this Forum and although I am not a self-made independently-wealthy man, I do make a very-very healthy living. I would be spending way too much for way too little. Then I realized what you did, you can get more volume of visits for less per visit and be even happier. Great philosophy to live by.

The helpful financial hint: When talking big dollar amounts, like when you said you spend $1500 a month on girls, it might resonate more and be more relatable for about 5 of the current contributors to this conversation if you broke it down to how many Grandma's Peanut Butter Cookies that equals. So saying $1500 is equal to almost 1,300 Grandma's PBC at $1.09 + tax at your local Home Improvement Store, might help. Now, if you are a true cheapskate like me, it is equal to almost 1,600 Grandma's PBC because I would get them at Walmart where they are only $.88 + tax.

Grain 56.

[Hey Flint]

Hey JJ,

You the man. Keep your head up and let's move on. Life's good, so why make it not be? You all my dark side bros for hos!

Grandpa? I hope so! I know I must have some kids that I don't know about!

Oh so I have to post my encounters to prove myself? HA! To who....You? GTFO I only share my dreams with a VERY small select few, don't want to spoil my stash with generous suckers! 😂.

Stay in your lane grandpa!

[TrollingObt]

Oh so I have to post my encounters to prove myself? HA! To who....You? GTFO I only share my dreams with a VERY small select few, don't want to spoil my stash with generous suckers! 😂.

Stay in your lane grandpa!

I don't refer to my swimmers as stash, but I'm happy to share them with generous suckers.

[PapiCholo]

If it quacks like a duck and looks like duck, it's got to be a Karen! Why you still jockeying my dick bruh? Don't you have something better to do?

Funny how you talk about "big brain time" and "low IQ," when you're short sighted, immature, insulting comments, clearly show you failed to grasp the moral of the message! Reading comprehension is CLEARLY not your strong suit! Must be a high school drop-out.

This was not EVER about me! I get my shit done! This is about the out of control rates and how we all play a role in that happening. This is about educating the newbies and also serving a PSA on the SM's, that if we don't work together we will see 150 qv's steadily being asked for and before you know it, 200! If that's what you want, keep doing what you're doing! Spend your money however you like, go broke for all I care, but don't complain when the rates go up to 200 qv! Cause it's already being asked!

The increase in rates in less than a year is proof that if we continue on the same path, we'll be steadily seeing 200 qv in no time! And to see this line of profession (ho'ing) being compared to people that work a legitimate profession or service, is ridiculous and egregious! WTF?? This line of work has no regulation and is not legitimate, these ho's make up the rules as they go!

Now that I got that of my chest, get off my dick Karen and follow your own advice! "Stop your crying and shut the fuck up!"

Still crying about rates. LOL.

[PapiCholo]

Oh great it's snowflake! Buddy go do something productive and stick your fingers in a light socket...repeatedly if you have to! Jesus Christ you're like a fly to shit! Don't need to be reading your mind-numbing comments. BLOCKED!

LOL. You are Bozo the Clown.

[Lehmonade]

Where them 60's girls at I'd like to save them too! Seeing enough of "me" they probably will qualify for "hero pay" - four dollars extra.

I mean someone's got to feed their fiend right?

Let it be a reminder. It's just pussy for some of us, while others value the companionship. Which sometimes is invaluable. Hell, one of us died because he got too close to a girl and got his feelings hurt.. then reverted back to his bad habit. Can’t blame all on the girl. Just Mind your pocket and feelings!

[JJFresh]

I agree with you PC. If he's getting all that he definitely wouldn't be complaining about rates. Here we go again. Lmao!

Oh great it's snowflake! Buddy go do something productive and stick your fingers in a light socket...repeatedly if you have to! Jesus Christ you're like a fly to shit! Don't need to be reading your mind-numbing comments. BLOCKED!

[JJFresh]

Bro, I just looked up your posts and its always complaints and negative remarks. Seems with your budget you're not getting much pussy. The whole point of this site is to talk about pussy. There is even a section on Rants and Raves, if that's what gets you hard.

Oh so I have to post my encounters to prove myself? HA! To who....You? GTFO I only share my dreams with a VERY small select few, don't want to spoil my stash with generous suckers! 😂.

Stay in your lane grandpa!