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  1. #8993
    Quote Originally Posted by Vino7373  [View Original Post]
    Mitch, you wear your heart on a sleeve. You need to do more of what you've already been doing. You need to see more girls. This way, you spread yourself out. By falling in love with a half dozen different girls, you won't get all eaten up if you're in love with only one of them. You're welcome. My bill for a hundred bucs is in the mail. LOL.
    Thanks Vino! My annual dues check is also in the mail, LOL. Might I suggest that at our next meeting we amend the name to the "In Love With MULTIPLE Hoes Support Group", LOL! I second your advice to see more girls if someone starts to catch feelings for these girls. I saw 9 different providers in 2019 and so far in 2020 I've seen 5 so I'll probably get up to 10 this year.

    In addition, I would say that in my experience it's best to have 3 or 4 regulars at any given time (by regular I mean once every week or two). I currently have 3 but I may have a 4th soon - I'm trying to find a replacement for the green-eyed track star who is on the run now, LOL. For me, having 3-4 regulars seems to provide the ideal level of "pseudo-love" emotional balance without too much fear of getting too attached. I've been doing this for 10 years and I've found that system to be most enjoyable. Having more than 3 or 4 regulars is logistically difficult for me and spreads me too thin, but I do enjoy getting some "strange" every once in awhile, LOL. What I think every experienced monger would 100% agree on is you should never have just one regular as that often leads to disastrous results!

    SYM

    Edit: I've actually seen 6 different providers so far in 2020, not 5, I forgot about Maitland Mom Sarah, LOL. Sorry Sarah! (If you're reading this Sarah let's do that ovenight we talked about!)

  2. #8992

    Tiger King

    This has been bugging me for a while and I can't tell anyone in my personal life lmao. For those who have watched Tiger King and have also mongered in Tampa, I can't be the only one who feels Carole fucking Baskins was being a hoe when she met her first husband. Got kicked out by her boyfriend and started walking down Nebraska Ave, dude starts driving and circles around 3 times and just needs someone to "talk to". They then proceed to go to a motel and fuck and I can guarantee there was money exchanged. Just wanted to get that out there LOL.

  3. #8991
    Quote Originally Posted by Vino7373  [View Original Post]
    I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

    This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

    A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

    Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life..
    Preach! This is all business. If you find a girl that doesn't make it seem like a simple transaction, that's great and you should enjoy it. Don't push it though and think that it's anything more than a girl being good at her job.

  4. #8990

    My professional advice to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by SevenYearMitch  [View Original Post]
    Michele1L (Reunited)

    Well that didn't last long! So I just got done spending some time reuniting with the mesmerizing Michele1L, less than 72 hours after our big altercation and me proclaiming I would never ever forgive her, LMAO! (My apologies to the forum for all the needless drama - but I think some of you guys actually enjoyed it, LOL)

    Anyways, as the dream commenced and our lips began to touch, the song "Reunited" by Peaches & Herb popped into my head, LOL

    Link to "Reunited" by Peaches & Herb:
    https://youtu.be/26J0uDIGErM

    Michele reluctantly agreed to role play with me as her student and she as my P.E. teacher, LOL. I bought a sexy "Coach" costume (by Shirley) with M1L specifically in mind (see pic of model below). When I saw M1L in the outfit I was completely blown away. She was a total knockout and looked way better than the model IMO! I'm hopeful she might one day post some pics on snap in this outfit (hint, hint just in case you're reading this Michele!)

    My half hour dream commenced with M1L blowing her whistle (which came with the costume) to call her PE class to attention. She took attendance and checked to make sure I was properly dressed out for class. She started to DFK me and pull my shorts off so I threatened to report her to the Principal. However, once she put my cock in her mouth I acquiesced to her highly inappropriate behavior, LOL. She continued the abuse with DTBBBJ, 69, RCG, and Mish. Michele kept the outfit on throughout the dream and looked absolutely amazing!

    After the dream we ran a few errands together and stopped off at Planet Smoothie where we continued to smooth things over (pun intended). I highly recommend the "Mountain Man Crunch" and M1L seemed to really enjoy her "Twig & Berries". She somehow managed to spill a bunch of it all over her gorgeous face whereupon I hit her with the requisite facial jokes which she took in stride, LOL

    Will repeat! Trusted senior members can PM me for her contact info.

    SYM

    Edit: Hey Vino, can you please remind me when the next meeting of the "In Love With A Hoe Support Group" is? I need to mark it on my calendar because I'm currently in love with at least 3 of them, LMAO!
    Mitch, you wear your heart on a sleeve. You need to do more of what you've already been doing. You need to see more girls. This way, you spread yourself out. By falling in love with a half dozen different girls, you won't get all eaten up if you're in love with only one of them. You're welcome. My bill for a hundred bucs is in the mail. LOL.

  5. #8989
    Quote Originally Posted by Vino7373  [View Original Post]
    I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

    This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

    A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there..
    Good advice. Sorry about your ATF.

  6. #8988

    Didn't realize there was soo much bs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vino7373  [View Original Post]
    I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

    This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

    A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

    Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

    Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

    For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

    Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.
    For the over decade of being around the hobby I never realized there was soo much bs. Perhaps it's because I just show up enjoy and head on my way. Sounds like too many guys in here getting waay too into it. , as others have said the whole point of this is to not deal with drama or worrying about getting bitched at LOL. Everyone should enjoy and the takeaway should stop there. Especially now at this crazy time we are all going through we should be helping not causing problems for the.

    Providers and vice versa! Sharing is caring!! On that note I had a great time today so far I'll follow up later about it.

  7. #8987
    Quote Originally Posted by Vino7373  [View Original Post]
    I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

    This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

    A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

    Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

    Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

    For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

    Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.
    Well spoken!

  8. #8986

    Agreed fellas

    Quote Originally Posted by Vino7373  [View Original Post]
    I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

    This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

    A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

    Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

    Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

    For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

    Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.
    Well said Vino.

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthWestWind  [View Original Post]
    Fuck, the whole reason I pay is to not have the drama.

    Why having a dick got to make life so hard?
    I thought that was the reason we're in the hobby. So we can drop loads without dealing with all the bullshit that husbands and boyfriends go through.

  9. #8985

    Preach Brother

    Vino is wise man. You can't fall in love with a working girl. Sorry to hear about your Ultra UTR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vino7373  [View Original Post]
    I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

    This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

    A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

    Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

    Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

    For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

    Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.

  10. #8984

    I got a big load of pissed off right now and I'm going to tell you all why:

    I've been reading all this stupid BS being posted up here in the UTR thread and something just happened that has made me blow a fuse. I will get to that in one minute but I have some things that need to be said and I'm going to say them right now.

    This is for all you dipshits that are falling in love with these girls and thinking that you can make them your girlfriends. FUCKING STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! Nothing good comes out of it. They are not going to fall in love with you back. They don't want to hear all your stupid BS. They do not want you texting them 50 times a day. They want you to pay them and then leave. It's very simple. These girls all are attracted to bad boy losers. Maybe, if you wear dreads, are a drug dealer, and have been in and out of jail, they might want to be your gf. If you aren't any of what I mentioned, then don't think you can "change" them. Don't think that YOU offer them the way out of their lifestyle. Don't think that IF you do a bunch of nice things for them, that they will have to like you back. It doesn't work that way!

    A few guys on here know that I am President and founding member of the "In Love With a Hoe Support Group. " It's true. I've tried to help out a bunch of guys on here that've lost their objectivity. It's becoming tiresome at this point. Far too many of you guys need a big heaping helping of "GROW THE FUCK UP!" Move on. Understand that these girls are what they are and you cannot change them or buy their "love," with you. You can buy sex with them but it ends there.

    Now, onward to one particular dipshit moron on here. A while ago, I was decent enough to turn you on to my ultra-UTR neighbor that doesn't advertise or walk. I thought you were a decent enough guy and would be mature enough. But you were NOT! You had to catch "feelings" for her. You had to continuously bug her and manipulate her emotionally. You just wouldn't let it go, you imbecile. I won't even get into the other BS on here and you better hope that I never do. If I were to expose you in the Trap, you would be the laughingstock of the Forum and never get another return PM ever again in your life.

    Well dipshit, because of your idiocy, she has now fucking MOVED over an hour away! Thanks a helluva lot, asswipe. You ruined my ATF, number one all-time regular girl, and put me in a bad spot. You also fucked her up badly. Of course she blames me because I'm the one that introduced you two! I hope you're satisfied, you Goddam imbecile.

    For the rest of you aholes out there falling in love with these girls, texting them constantly, trying to buy their "love," with gifts, etc. Just STOP it and grow up. Unless you want it to totally destroy your entire life, like it did one Sad Sack on here. BTW, he's not even the one I was talking about that fell for my neighbor. It's another imbecile. Oh, the things you learn when you volunteer to be Presidient of the "In Love with a Hoe Support Group. " SMH.

    Never, ever, ever, fall in love with one of these girls! It's as simple as that.

  11. #8983

    ImAwaxdatazz69

    Quote Originally Posted by ImAwaxdatazz69  [View Original Post]
    Beautiful lady. May I have the digits please? Thanks.
    No, Hell no.

    You may have passed the minimum requirements to become a senior but you are the worst example of a senior on the site. You're a worthless beggar that obviously has no idea how this board works. Aren't you embarrassed to keep doing this?

    I got an infraction earlier for posting the above in the Streetwalker section so I've moved it here hoping that you'll learn from it. You have 63 posts and only a few aren't asking for something and they aren't even reviews. Yesterday you posted 7 requests for numbers in less than a half hour. Everything you do is wrong. Will you ever learn?

    If you request a number you can send a PM. You don't need to post that you're sending them a message and bother everyone just to build your post count. You should do some work and post reviews of girls. Do you see any girls or are you just building a Rolodex?

    You don't deserve a damned thing from anyone.

  12. #8982
    Quote Originally Posted by Nutted  [View Original Post]
    Yeah. Supply & Demand. And ready, willing, & able. Some are ready & willing but unable cause of ED. Won't mention who. LOL.
    So sorry to hear about your buddy, Ed.

    But now we see where you got your handle, Nutted (as in past tense, but now can't nut no more), LOL!

    All you've got left to do now is dream. And unfortunately, with the girls you been seeing, those dreams are probably more like nightmares, LOL!

    LTD.
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  13. #8981
    New alias for TrailHunter ban whenever you feel like it.


    Posts: 86

    Yeah

    Yeah. Supply & Demand. And ready, willing, & able. Some are ready & willing but unable cause of ED. Won't mention who. LOL.

  14. #8980

    Back to basics

    Quote Originally Posted by Camera3  [View Original Post]
    So, I found this little video for kids on Supply and Demand economics put out by the IMF, and I think we can agree they know their shit. It is short, entertaining, and to the point.

    Just substitute hookers for blueberries and maybe it will help you understand better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wp-diDRVKI.
    Great educational video, C3. I "do" like blueberry pie.

    Some folks (you know who I'm referring to) can have their grapes, and eat them too, LOL!

  15. #8979

    What?

    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalSin  [View Original Post]
    Not just supply and demand, the supply outweighs the demand 5:1. There are more pussy options than there are men that want it. This has more to do with mentality.

    The mentality of the BUYER in this business, is unfortunately, "weak and desperate" and it shows in the ever increasing rates. Women know that most (desperate) men are addicted to pussy (and can't get it any other way) and will do almost anything for it. So they exploit that to no end and I honestly can't fault them for it.

    Most BUYERS, especially the older, less confident and low self esteem ones (you know who I'm referring to), think that they could find "love" with the girls they pay for and ALWAYS fall victim (suckers) to their deceptions. It's sad really, they just allow these women to take full advantage of them and not think about the consequences that it causes for the rest of us that sees this for what it is. It's just pussy! They're not your gf's, not your lover, not your friend. None of them give a shit about you! Just your money! And until they realize and accept that, nothing will change.

    Ultimately, the BUYER always has control in ANY "economic" situation. It's just a matter of how many BUYERS want back that control. This is not just my belief or opinion, it is a fact. (look back on the articles I posted).

    I hope we can keep this convo civil.

    SIN.
    Either you delusional or flat-out ignorant! It doesn't matter how many members agree with what you sayin. At the end of the day that provider going to be the one that make the agreement with you. Unless you see in the members? As far as confidenceI think the one who asking the members to help them lower the rate is the one with no confidence. You won't ever see me asking any member to help me lower the rates because I control the rate just by what I bring to the table. Some things money can't buy. If they not complimenting you, then they're complaining about you. Only thing I see you as a complaint. It just like walking into the bank with no credit you going to pay higher rates or you won't get the loan. Same thing with these girls if you look like crap they not going give you a lower rate. Your first visit will be your last visit simple as that period. At the end of the day, you are who you are and that's ugly as sin!

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