The Rat Trap

[Killmonger]

I've been around for a minute, made a few friends here, shared a ton of info with lots of ya, got every set of UTR digits I've ever asked for, gotten references from one UTR to another for being polite, clean, and all that happy BS, and now I'm being denied UTR digits when regular members are getting them. Go figure, they say SM's only and I get denied and a regular posts on his good time. SS96 out.

You got girls on old Cheney giving it away for as low as 10 dollars but got a bunch of mongers saying there's nothing out there don't worry about it in this game there's always going to be greedy gatekeepers shift idk what's worse cheap hoes or there gatekeepers.

[DreamForever69]

Providers that you guys are paying for is laughable. Most say they will repeat even with so so service. Wake the hell up.

[FootyFanatic14]

Shrugs. I tend to take any reviews from either extreme with a grain of salt.

We have some people on the forum who always write such glowing reviews for the same exact spa and / or Penthouse forum letters that don't match any of the reality I've ever seen. So I always figure those people are either owners, shills or simps who are doing reviews at the request of a girl to get more business.

Then we have some people who seem to come in on the other end where it sounds like they're just exceptionally high-maintenance 'Karens' who want to ***** about even the slightest inconvenience or irregularity. Which always makes me laugh as I think to myself -- Well I guess beggars CAN be choosers after all.

It was the same back when Milk was in the top game in town and it's the same now. All I know is that I go fairly often and I haven't had a bad experience in quite a long time.

It's quite obvious what most reviews are nowadays. Everything has become exaggerated for sensationalism. I'm personally out of the review game for a couple reasons but mostly because it's become a dick measuring contest. I've always felt that reviews should be more about information than a story. Shills are putting out penthouse reviews that never match up to expectations. I've known all the popular girls in town for a few years now and while I enjoy every moment of my time with each of them, some of those girls don't do everything that you put in these over the top reviews. It doesn't detract from my experience as I know these girls enough to know what to expect, but someone here might read one of these reviews and go there expecting the same exact experience and end up leaving with a less than experience. I'd honestly say that these shill posts are so obvious that it would actually turn off potential customers who can see such blatant exaggeration. Which is disappointing because they are worth your time and money that they don't need anyone shilling for them.

Feel free to PM me if you want any Intel. I'll keep it real.

[MaestroTime]

Shrugs. I tend to take any reviews from either extreme with a grain of salt.

We have some people on the forum who always write such glowing reviews for the same exact spa and / or Penthouse forum letters that don't match any of the reality I've ever seen. So I always figure those people are either owners, shills or simps who are doing reviews at the request of a girl to get more business.

Then we have some people who seem to come in on the other end where it sounds like they're just exceptionally high-maintenance 'Karens' who want to ***** about even the slightest inconvenience or irregularity. Which always makes me laugh as I think to myself -- Well I guess beggars CAN be choosers after all.

It was the same back when Milk was in the top game in town and it's the same now. All I know is that I go fairly often and I haven't had a bad experience in quite a long time.

I concur. In the 2+ yrs in getting into this hobby I've only had one really sub-par experience at You Massage. Every other time has been either on the level or amazing. I just try to describe what the girls look like because looks are pretty important for my experience. You all don't need every little detail unless they do something extraordinary. I've been enough that I know the regulars that I like and they know what I am looking for. These forums have been helpful though in identifying new places or spots to avoid. I am not one to TOFTT. It costs too much to risk having a bad experience.

[MisterPowers]

Well said!

Shrugs. I tend to take any reviews from either extreme with a grain of salt.

We have some people on the forum who always write such glowing reviews for the same exact spa and / or Penthouse forum letters that don't match any of the reality I've ever seen. So I always figure those people are either owners, shills or simps who are doing reviews at the request of a girl to get more business.

Then we have some people who seem to come in on the other end where it sounds like they're just exceptionally high-maintenance 'Karens' who want to ***** about even the slightest inconvenience or irregularity. Which always makes me laugh as I think to myself -- Well I guess beggars CAN be choosers after all.

It was the same back when Milk was in the top game in town and it's the same now. All I know is that I go fairly often and I haven't had a bad experience in quite a long time.

[OlderThanRocks]

Seeing a lot of bad reviews, maybe because it's near the end of the month and their ready for time off?? 15 plus tricks a day 7 days a week for a month or 2 or 3(ouch) Hopefully a fresh batch comes in February.

Shrugs. I tend to take any reviews from either extreme with a grain of salt.

We have some people on the forum who always write such glowing reviews for the same exact spa and / or Penthouse forum letters that don't match any of the reality I've ever seen. So I always figure those people are either owners, shills or simps who are doing reviews at the request of a girl to get more business.

Then we have some people who seem to come in on the other end where it sounds like they're just exceptionally high-maintenance 'Karens' who want to ***** about even the slightest inconvenience or irregularity. Which always makes me laugh as I think to myself -- Well I guess beggars CAN be choosers after all.

It was the same back when Milk was in the top game in town and it's the same now. All I know is that I go fairly often and I haven't had a bad experience in quite a long time.

[SlimShady96]

I've been around for a minute, made a few friends here, shared a ton of info with lots of ya, got every set of UTR digits I've ever asked for, gotten references from one UTR to another for being polite, clean, and all that happy BS, and now I'm being denied UTR digits when regular members are getting them. Go figure, they say SM's only and I get denied and a regular posts on his good time. SS96 out.

[Cocoacruiser]

So a regular provider of mine had another issue where a monger here stalled her for hours and pulled a complete no-show. Of course she sent receipts.

Come on guys, you're hurting these girls and you're keeping those of us who actually show up from being able to. She coulda been making money with me or someone else during the time she sat around waiting on you to show up or call or text.

That hurts her especially bad with it being the holiday season where girls are seeing less traffic. This girl lost out on another opportunity because the first guy was booked. Then the first guy (our monger) no-showed. Same deal, I'm going to give him time to make amends before I name names.

Like Johnny Big mentioned in the report just before mine, this is the time of year we should be looking out for the good ones. Giving a bit extra or just sending them a little gift money if you don't have time to visit them. If she is a Positive Review-level provider, we should try to take care of her in her slow season.

Update: the monger in question made amends.

[Cocoacruiser]

I'll be honest, I've wasted a few girls' time. But at the end of the day, like you said; it's business. When the lock clicks I'm in simp mode, but until then, it's dog eat dog. I for one don't appreciate the poor communication from these girls that makes you not give two cares about their bottom line. Maybe they need to organize and clean that mess up collectively. When you send a message and don't get a reply until 3 hrs later. And when they message you back and you reply a couple SECONDS later and they don't answer until like 15-20 min later (and sometimes hrs later)? I mean seriously. I understand they have other dudes hitting them up but cmon, this is their business. This is their job. "I'm a business woman" LOL No other business operates with the customer service that these ladies give and not go out of business. Literally, the only people that respond right back when you message them are the scammers who will say they are in whatever city / state you tell them you're in that are trying to get you to give a "deposit. " Then there's the bait and switching that is rampant upon a lot of these girls. So whenever I reach out and I get a reply in less than a min, it's a red flag to me.

I show up to places knowing that they aren't going to be the ones in the pics, so I'm ready to bounce as soon as I see they catfished me. When they start acting with integrity, I'll follow along. Again, I'm all about treating them like they are people just like everyone else, there are even a couple that I would even date if they gave up this life, but overall, they have to do better not wasting our time before mongers give them the benefit of the doubt.

I just I know I hate it when my time gets burned up by someone stringing me along making promises, and it sounds like you do too. We have a place where we can warn other guys when this happens. Not a black list or anything, just a spot where we can point them out and say "hey guys, this provider gave me the run-around or catfished or whatever". So other mongers can take that info and make up their own mind as to whether to chase after seeing that provider. But the providers on this forum don't have that. Not here anyway.

We've all made mistakes in this hobby. I don't think anyone needs to be burned at the stake if they messed up and caused an issue.

But, just like we like to know about providers who have a pattern of poor behavior, maybe they should have a way to see that too. That's all.

[SingleStroller]

Look I get it. But it's just money and math. You are a limited time to make something happen, a limited amount of funds, your managing risk on a number of fronts. The only logical thing to do is have a number of conversations happening at once. I guarantee that hobbyist started out as a "these girls are real people and deserve respect," kind of dude. But after about four or five times getting stuck in various types of precarious situations, you do what you got to do. Once I'm in the room, I'm all about respect and humanity. But until we get to that point, this is a business. Business is about numbers and opportunity. Everyone is jockying for best position in a free market. You aren't going to put an end to this. You protect your time, your money, and your freedom at all costs. If you try to spend your time being a sweetheart in a coldhearted world, no one gets burned but you. Everyone has to protect themselves. Provider should know these signs and protect her time and shut it down. Easy peasy. John is a very common name.

I'll be honest, I've wasted a few girls' time. But at the end of the day, like you said; it's business. When the lock clicks I'm in simp mode, but until then, it's dog eat dog. I for one don't appreciate the poor communication from these girls that makes you not give two cares about their bottom line. Maybe they need to organize and clean that mess up collectively. When you send a message and don't get a reply until 3 hrs later. And when they message you back and you reply a couple SECONDS later and they don't answer until like 15-20 min later (and sometimes hrs later)? I mean seriously. I understand they have other dudes hitting them up but cmon, this is their business. This is their job. "I'm a business woman" LOL No other business operates with the customer service that these ladies give and not go out of business. Literally, the only people that respond right back when you message them are the scammers who will say they are in whatever city / state you tell them you're in that are trying to get you to give a "deposit. " Then there's the bait and switching that is rampant upon a lot of these girls. So whenever I reach out and I get a reply in less than a min, it's a red flag to me.

I show up to places knowing that they aren't going to be the ones in the pics, so I'm ready to bounce as soon as I see they catfished me. When they start acting with integrity, I'll follow along. Again, I'm all about treating them like they are people just like everyone else, there are even a couple that I would even date if they gave up this life, but overall, they have to do better not wasting our time before mongers give them the benefit of the doubt.

[EonBlues]

Look I get it. But it's just money and math. You are a limited time to make something happen, a limited amount of funds, your managing risk on a number of fronts. The only logical thing to do is have a number of conversations happening at once. I guarantee that hobbyist started out as a "these girls are real people and deserve respect," kind of dude. But after about four or five times getting stuck in various types of precarious situations, you do what you got to do. Once I'm in the room, I'm all about respect and humanity. But until we get to that point, this is a business. Business is about numbers and opportunity. Everyone is jockying for best position in a free market. You aren't going to put an end to this. You protect your time, your money, and your freedom at all costs. If you try to spend your time being a sweetheart in a coldhearted world, no one gets burned but you. Everyone has to protect themselves. Provider should know these signs and protect her time and shut it down. Easy peasy. John is a very common name.

So a regular provider of mine had another issue where a monger here stalled her for hours and pulled a complete no-show. Of course she sent receipts.

Come on guys, you're hurting these girls and you're keeping those of us who actually show up from being able to. She coulda been making money with me or someone else during the time she sat around waiting on you to show up or call or text.

That hurts her especially bad with it being the holiday season where girls are seeing less traffic. This girl lost out on another opportunity because the first guy was booked. Then the first guy (our monger) no-showed. Same deal, I'm going to give him time to make amends before I name names.

Like Johnny Big mentioned in the report just before mine, this is the time of year we should be looking out for the good ones. Giving a bit extra or just sending them a little gift money if you don't have time to visit them. If she is a Positive Review-level provider, we should try to take care of her in her slow season.

[Cocoacruiser]

So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.

So a regular provider of mine had another issue where a monger here stalled her for hours and pulled a complete no-show. Of course she sent receipts.

Come on guys, you're hurting these girls and you're keeping those of us who actually show up from being able to. She coulda been making money with me or someone else during the time she sat around waiting on you to show up or call or text.

That hurts her especially bad with it being the holiday season where girls are seeing less traffic. This girl lost out on another opportunity because the first guy was booked. Then the first guy (our monger) no-showed. Same deal, I'm going to give him time to make amends before I name names.

Like Johnny Big mentioned in the report just before mine, this is the time of year we should be looking out for the good ones. Giving a bit extra or just sending them a little gift money if you don't have time to visit them. If she is a Positive Review-level provider, we should try to take care of her in her slow season.

[StainGlass]

What a wonderful msg for the longer term. You rock.

This is very true for any longer term relationship to work. For ATFs, your goto lists. This is a treasure trove, and thanks definitely for bringing it up and reminding people that it is good to give, and the good notions. If this is done without any expectation. You would realize that the potential it comes back (IF it comes back, is many folds greater).

I wish we had some Emojis or +1 on these kind of beautiful posts.

SG.

So many times I see a negative review and I decide to go check out a chick anyway because she peaked my curiosity. Sometimes the negative reviews are warranted, but I have also found the girl turns out to be pretty damn good! The same is true for ones that have great reviews and she sucks not in a good way. Sometimes I have also seen where some nut jobs in hobby will post shit about a girl because they don't want others to have her. Yes it does happen more than you think. Guys with multiple handles just causing shit for a girl for no reason then they are a nut job and maybe jealous. So my advice is sometimes give a chick a chance you might find your golden egg! I've had a few! Also don't always believe everything your read there are nutjobs that can cause havoc and run these girls through hell with bogus reports and fucking with them through multiple numbers and fake date setups. Not saying some don't deserve to starve and not get our money! I can name a few that should!

Now as we head into Christmas things slow down for our Favorite girls. If you have the means think about sending something random for Christmas! Some will give me shit for this advice as they haggle every penny they spend to put their cock in one of these girls. Maybe I'm messing up the pussyflation or causing some GPS. If you have the money and you have one you see on the regular send them a little something on the cash ap to help them out around Christmas. You might be surprised on how it comes back to you in the future. Maybe you don't get shit out of it. I have the means to do so and have taken care of a couple of my favs this Christmas! Maitland mom and Jenna are my two ATF girls from the UTR board. If you don't have the means and will miss the money don't do it. Save your $$.

Just some friendly advice! Take it or leave it. JB.

[JohnyBig]

So many times I see a negative review and I decide to go check out a chick anyway because she peaked my curiosity. Sometimes the negative reviews are warranted, but I have also found the girl turns out to be pretty damn good! The same is true for ones that have great reviews and she sucks not in a good way. Sometimes I have also seen where some nut jobs in hobby will post shit about a girl because they don't want others to have her. Yes it does happen more than you think. Guys with multiple handles just causing shit for a girl for no reason then they are a nut job and maybe jealous. So my advice is sometimes give a chick a chance you might find your golden egg! I've had a few! Also don't always believe everything your read there are nutjobs that can cause havoc and run these girls through hell with bogus reports and fucking with them through multiple numbers and fake date setups. Not saying some don't deserve to starve and not get our money! I can name a few that should!

Now as we head into Christmas things slow down for our Favorite girls. If you have the means think about sending something random for Christmas! Some will give me shit for this advice as they haggle every penny they spend to put their cock in one of these girls. Maybe I'm messing up the pussyflation or causing some GPS. If you have the money and you have one you see on the regular send them a little something on the cash ap to help them out around Christmas. You might be surprised on how it comes back to you in the future. Maybe you don't get shit out of it. I have the means to do so and have taken care of a couple of my favs this Christmas! Maitland mom and Jenna are my two ATF girls from the UTR board. If you don't have the means and will miss the money don't do it. Save your $$.

Just some friendly advice! Take it or leave it. JB.

[Gslvs69]

So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.

Great post, if we don't take care of the good ones we won't have any good ones.

Another point to consider is that when mongers are wasting all the girls bandwidth it prevents legit inquiries from getting through. Providers I know have shown me the endless list of texts they get sometimes. I have even experienced this when sharing info on providers I get 50 questions from interested mongers.

GS.