American Politics during the Obama Presidency (Only for Cincy)

[Willow1535]

Are we trying to be funny here or are we looking for serious comments and feed back. If we are looking for humor and the normal bs that is typically shared, then yes; his comments were good. They probably riled up the rank and file and made him feel good about himself for a short time.

If we are trying to be serious, can either one of you provide any intelligent responses to the following questions:

What did Obama or Emanuel do to contribute to the high murder rate in Chicago?

Do either of you think that you know more about the Constitution than a Constitutional Law professor or the President?

Are you suggesting that Bush had no culpability in the meltdown of the economy and the housing bubble?

Do you understand the basics of the Stock Market?

Just sayin.

But you failed to mention what the influx of thousands of ILLEGAL people will do to take down more and burdan our fragile economy. How about tking care of our homeless, vets and poor first??

[Willow1535]

What solutions do you have to offer that will resolve our issues and what have you personally done to contribute to the efforts to turn our country around?

You didn't correct ANYTHING with your MSNBC talking points. Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation and as far as teaching Constitutional Law, just keep watching him thumb his nose at the Constitution when he continues his Executive Order rampage. Oh and yes Bush did sign almost 300 but Obama is at 182 and counting and Bush's were benign comparatively. "Predecessor's housing meltdown", Ha! That happened during a DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress. Mostly due to the Dodd-Frank Act. I bet Barney Frank is one of your heros. What an clown he is. So how do you like the DOW now. Down almost 400 points in one week and a bigger bubble coming. The Fed and their QE is just simply artificially boosting it by borrowing more and more money. I bet that is just how you run your household. Going in debt thinking life is just peachy. And just wait to see what happens to our healthcare system when he grants amnesty to another 20-30 MILLION illegal immigrants. Do you understand what illegal means? So here is how the rest of the world view this guy. Finally, here is the absolute TRUTH on what a disaster the Obama Abomination is: National Debt 2000 5. 6 TRILLION and 10.4 TRILLION in 2008. That's an increase of 4. 8 TRILLION because I'm sure you need help with the math. So Obama inherited 10.4 from that "evil predecessor" Bush. It is currently 17.6 TRILLION and is projected to be above 20 TRILLION before this jerk is through. I'll help you with that math too. That's 9. 6 TRILLION +. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because they will be the ones paying it back with 50%+ tax rates like your heros in Europe.

Just sayin.

[Golfcart]

Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation . . . . Just sayin.

Carnicero, you're posting for personal entertainment, not to make sense, right?

So much of the discourse has become mean-spirited. The hard choices we face explains some of it. But the vitriol gets in the way of a proper discussion and progress.

[Cheech1]

DUDE! We are all waiting for the default, we all earn in Dollars. Give me 15 pesos to the dollar any day.

Financial crisis+business closing+runaway inflation (while hedged in dollars)=tons of hot secretaries out of work and needing money.

Best time ever in Argentina for us was 2003-2005, happy days are here again.

A2.

A2, don't misunderstand. I know when you earn in dollars things look great if the local currency is crashing, I was more concerned about unrest and such things.

Cheech.

[Admin2]

First, a note to A2, hope things are OK down there, considering the default.

DUDE! We are all waiting for the default, we all earn in Dollars. Give me 15 pesos to the dollar any day.

Financial crisis+business closing+runaway inflation (while hedged in dollars)=tons of hot secretaries out of work and needing money.

Best time ever in Argentina for us was 2003-2005, happy days are here again.

A2.

[Wingman Todd]

But you failed to mention what the influx of thousands of ILLEGAL people will do to take down more and burdan our fragile economy. How about tking care of our homeless, vets and poor first??

You didn't correct ANYTHING with your MSNBC talking points. Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation and as far as teaching Constitutional Law, just keep watching him thumb his nose at the Constitution when he continues his Executive Order rampage. Oh and yes Bush did sign almost 300 but Obama is at 182 and counting and Bush's were benign comparatively. "Predecessor's housing meltdown", Ha! That happened during a DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress. Mostly due to the Dodd-Frank Act. I bet Barney Frank is one of your heros. What an clown he is. So how do you like the DOW now. Down almost 400 points in one week and a bigger bubble coming. The Fed and their QE is just simply artificially boosting it by borrowing more and more money. I bet that is just how you run your household. Going in debt thinking life is just peachy. And just wait to see what happens to our healthcare system when he grants amnesty to another 20-30 MILLION illegal immigrants. Do you understand what illegal means? So here is how the rest of the world view this guy. Finally, here is the absolute TRUTH on what a disaster the Obama Abomination is: National Debt 2000 5. 6 TRILLION and 10.4 TRILLION in 2008. That's an increase of 4. 8 TRILLION because I'm sure you need help with the math. So Obama inherited 10.4 from that "evil predecessor" Bush. It is currently 17.6 TRILLION and is projected to be above 20 TRILLION before this jerk is through. I'll help you with that math too. That's 9. 6 TRILLION +. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because they will be the ones paying it back with 50%+ tax rates like your heros in Europe.

Just sayin.

[Carnicero]

Just to correct you beyond one of Fox's favorite bullet point, President Obama wasn't just a "community organizer". He has a law degree, and for 12 years was a law professor at the University of Chicago School of Law teaching Constitutional Law. Unemployment is down since he took office, the DOW has never been higher, home values are close to where they were before his predecessor let that housing market meltdown happen, troops are coming home, and more Americans have covered healthcare than ever before (despite Republicans trying 50 times to take it away). What have you done?

I take it you'll be one of the people who will pay $9. 99/ month to subscribe to Sarah Palin's online channel to hear her talk about the news and only she can make it up.

You didn't correct ANYTHING with your MSNBC talking points. Who cares what you call whatever it was he was doing in Chicago. He and his hand picked "beeotch" Emanuel made it the murder capital of the nation and as far as teaching Constitutional Law, just keep watching him thumb his nose at the Constitution when he continues his Executive Order rampage. Oh and yes Bush did sign almost 300 but Obama is at 182 and counting and Bush's were benign comparatively. "Predecessor's housing meltdown", Ha! That happened during a DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress. Mostly due to the Dodd-Frank Act. I bet Barney Frank is one of your heros. What an clown he is. So how do you like the DOW now. Down almost 400 points in one week and a bigger bubble coming. The Fed and their QE is just simply artificially boosting it by borrowing more and more money. I bet that is just how you run your household. Going in debt thinking life is just peachy. And just wait to see what happens to our healthcare system when he grants amnesty to another 20-30 MILLION illegal immigrants. Do you understand what illegal means? So here is how the rest of the world view this guy. Finally, here is the absolute TRUTH on what a disaster the Obama Abomination is: National Debt 2000 5. 6 TRILLION and 10.4 TRILLION in 2008. That's an increase of 4. 8 TRILLION because I'm sure you need help with the math. So Obama inherited 10.4 from that "evil predecessor" Bush. It is currently 17.6 TRILLION and is projected to be above 20 TRILLION before this jerk is through. I'll help you with that math too. That's 9. 6 TRILLION +. I hope you don't have kids or grandkids because they will be the ones paying it back with 50%+ tax rates like your heros in Europe.

Just sayin.

[Cheech1]

First, a note to A2, hope things are OK down there, considering the default.

As far as the American people are concerned, they bear a portion of the blame for their ignorance, in that they allow themselves to be led like sheep, but what people don't consider for the most part is that the people are trained from childhood to be like that, soaked in government propaganda from early childhood through the schools and TV and movies. The schools are the worst part. Also, it is planned to be that way by the people who run the government. It is the result of a vast, planned conspiracy which is very hard to see, and which is run by the socialist-fascist people who own the governments and the banks. They learned from the Russian revolution and the Nazis that revolution doesn't work. They found that the key was to slowly train the populace, taking generations, to be sheep. Slowly strip them of their rights over generations, a little small piece at a time. Like the frog sitting in the pot, he doesn't notice the water getting hotter and hotter, thinking its normal, until its too late.

Cheech.

[Member #4637]

America is most likely doomed. I suggest that everyone start by reading at LewRockwell.com. I suggest that people also visit shadowstats.com. Then go to prisonplanet.com and read some more.

If you get your information just from mass media, meaning TV, cable TV, radio, or newspapers, you are gravely misinformed. If you spend more time watching sports or sitcoms than you do reading online about what is happening in the world and what has happened in the past, then you are one of the sheep who are being raised for meat in the form of taxes and wool in the form of your children being duped into joining the armed forces to be used as cannon fodder in the war games of the rich.

Go to the above websites. Take notes. Do some research. Then intelligent discussions can be had. Otherwise not. And, for those of you who refuse to become educated, better have lots of Vaseline on hand, because the government is coming.

Cheech.

Cheech, you are so right, but the reason we are doomed is that the majority of Americans are completely uninformed and make decision based on celebrity, looks, skin color, gender, and what is "popular". The only thing more dangerous than the current incompetent puppet in the White House is the fact that the majority of voters chose him. Twice.

[Cheech1]

America is most likely doomed. I suggest that everyone start by reading at LewRockwell.com. I suggest that people also visit shadowstats.com. Then go to prisonplanet.com and read some more.

If you get your information just from mass media, meaning TV, cable TV, radio, or newspapers, you are gravely misinformed. If you spend more time watching sports or sitcoms than you do reading online about what is happening in the world and what has happened in the past, then you are one of the sheep who are being raised for meat in the form of taxes and wool in the form of your children being duped into joining the armed forces to be used as cannon fodder in the war games of the rich.

Go to the above websites. Take notes. Do some research. Then intelligent discussions can be had. Otherwise not. And, for those of you who refuse to become educated, better have lots of Vaseline on hand, because the government is coming.

Cheech.

[Admin2]

And these are the types of people that get voted into office or elevated to the national stage. Very sad. We are doomed if we continue down this path.

Wake up America!

I can understand elected, anybody can make a mistake. Two of these idiots got REELECTED and Palin could run in any Red State and win in a landslide. The capsize the island guy that couldn't remember the word "Width" was reelected after this happened.

[Willow1535]

Great song.

Clowns to the left of me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q.

Jokers to the right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba439w4-v_0.

Stuck in the middle with you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpon40aBqt8.

Doomed.

[Willow1535]

And these are the types of people that get voted into office or elevated to the national stage. Very sad. We are doomed if we continue down this path.

Wake up America!

Clowns to the left of me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q.

Jokers to the right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba439w4-v_0.

Stuck in the middle with you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpon40aBqt8.

Doomed.

[Admin2]

Clowns to the left of me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XXVLKWd3Q.

Jokers to the right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba439w4-v_0.

Stuck in the middle with you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpon40aBqt8.

Doomed.

[Willow1535]

You are 100% correct. The main reason why we are joiners is that we are too lazy to educate ourselves. It is so much easier to allow someone else to form and shape your opinions than it is to educate yourself. Most people get their opinions and new from cable news shows and talk radio. We need to learn to think for ourselves. Whether it is Bush or Obama, Republican or Democrat, either side has it's own group of trolls who just tow the party line. This is a primary reason why we never make any progress.

Scott Adams of Dilbert fame pretty much nails the nature of political opinion (full piece: http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/the_il..._intelligence/):

When it comes to politics, humans are joiners, not thinkers. The reason a computer can't have a political conversation is because politics is not a subset of intelligence. It is dogma, bias, inertia, fear, and a whole lot of misunderstanding. If you wanted to program a computer to duplicate human intelligence in politics you would have to make the computer an idiot that agreed with whatever group it belonged regardless of the facts or logic of the situation.

If you insisted on making your computer rational, all it would ever say is stuff such as "I don't have enough information to make a decision. Let's legalize weed in Colorado and see what happens. If it works there, I favor legalizing it everywhere." In other words, you can program a computer to recommend gathering relevant information before making political decisions, which is totally reasonable and intelligent, but 99% of humans would vehemently disagree with that approach. Intelligent opinions from machines would fail the Turing test because irrational humans wouldn't recognize it as intelligent.