The Woodshed

[Sparkish]

So I'm confused do you support trump or just playing devil advocate? You do know this Administration bitching started before they was even in office. Then what happened? Still Bitching even till today. What happened to abolishing Obamacare and replacing it with something better? Think hard about this. What did this Administration do these past few years? Don't Google it, because I can tell you besides regular presidential duties, all he done is the wall and made the world aware of the truly dumb ignorant people in our country. It really has been a circus. Its troubling when you have a administration appointing incompetent people in roles that directly affects American lives. Then waging war against our top expert during this time.

Granted before he was elected he did say he would drain the swamp. Which sounded good, Yet truly, tell me what swamp did drain? Going off of your earlier post you think Only the Democrats, or I guess we saying left, is what you wanted to disrupt the most. So how did he disrupt them? All he has done is validate every platform they stood for. What facts are you looking for? Before 2016 I was a diehard Republican, but what I seen now is an embarrassment at the least. They are childish, especially the one with the big forehead. Even in 2012-2016 they was acting like children. Seems the Republicans only want to complain, but not offering any solutions. We are in Fl. What is our Governor doing? Fighting the statistics and facts, more than the virus in every conference. How has that worked out for us?

I'm sorry, but you had a leg to stand on the first 2 years, but at this moment if you still support this administration, you are unpatriotic.

But it's a waste arguing with anybody who still supports him at this point. I mean it was always long odds (and the grace period for me ended at the voting booth, he's been transparent common swindler for decades); but I've found I simply don't share enough values with such a person for either of us to persuade the other and so. That's that. The MAGA crowd likes to couch their continued support of him in terms of patriotism and "ideological" differences; but I recognized it for the moral and intellectual failure that it is. How you going to argue with that?

[Red Talon]

So I'm confused do you support trump or just playing devil advocate? You do know this Administration bitching started before they was even in office. Then what happened? Still Bitching even till today. What happened to abolishing Obamacare and replacing it with something better? Think hard about this. What did this Administration do these past few years? Don't Google it, because I can tell you besides regular presidential duties, all he done is the wall and made the world aware of the truly dumb ignorant people in our country. It really has been a circus. Its troubling when you have a administration appointing incompetent people in roles that directly affects American lives. Then waging war against our top expert during this time.

Granted before he was elected he did say he would drain the swamp. Which sounded good, Yet truly, tell me what swamp did drain? Going off of your earlier post you think Only the Democrats, or I guess we saying left, is what you wanted to disrupt the most. So how did he disrupt them? All he has done is validate every platform they stood for. What facts are you looking for? Before 2016 I was a diehard Republican, but what I seen now is an embarrassment at the least. They are childish, especially the one with the big forehead. Even in 2012-2016 they was acting like children. Seems the Republicans only want to complain, but not offering any solutions. We are in Fl. What is our Governor doing? Fighting the statistics and facts, more than the virus in every conference. How has that worked out for us?

I'm sorry, but you had a leg to stand on the first 2 years, but at this moment if you still support this administration, you are unpatriotic.

All politicians are basically useless but you seem to infer you would rather have Hillary at the helm so good luck with that. He did say he would drain the swamp but how much would you be able to get done with multiple daily attacks on your person. And don't forget who is always trotting out another straw man investigation. Seems like a lot of democrats have nothing better to do that spend money on never ending farces. I am voicing an opinion so don't say I am unpatriotic, you know nothing about me and my past.

Can anyone show me a chart that shows testing and positive cases of COVID? Waaaaay too much mis-information and politicization. Now we find out labs are only reporting positive results so that drives the overall average out of whack. People keep acting like on a certain date that virus will magically disappear.

People keep saying positive cases keep going up, I should think they would as they keep opening new testing sites daily. I am more than happy to discuss politics from both sides but once you make it personal, you lose.

[PervNerd48]

I just want to keep more of the money I make and listening to Biden and others about raising taxes, especially on my business has me concerned.

So I'm a loosy-goosy lefty liberal Democrat. However, I can understand this- you bust your ass to run your business. I have a ton of respect for that.

Keep in mind, though- Biden isn't a lefty Democrat. He's a center-left, more center than you think. Under Biden and Obama, they might have said some stupid things about "you didn't build it", but for the most part, the economy was stable and growing.

Under Trump, while he cut taxes for the very rich, most of us didn't get that in our tax bill. And under his administration, he did things like. Oh. Firing the team that helps the US avoid pandemics. When global pandemics broke out in Obama's tenure.

His team took it very seriously, and the US wasn't as affected by Ebola (2014-2016) or swine flu (2009-2010) or Zika (2015-2016) as we are with the coronavirus.

(Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN21B3K9).

Did the savings you got on your tax bill under Trump mitigate the damage to your business and the local economy done by the pandemic we're unprepared for now? Is it so bad to think about getting a centerish president who will hire and listen to scientists in these cases?

Just something to think about. Either way, I wish you the best in all of this.

[NeckAuthority]

As far as I am concerned, everyone has their panties in a wad bitching about this and that without stating any facts. An

Everyone bitches without offering rock solid solutions. I just want to keep more of the money I make and listening to Biden and others about

So I'm confused do you support trump or just playing devil advocate? You do know this Administration bitching started before they was even in office. Then what happened? Still Bitching even till today. What happened to abolishing Obamacare and replacing it with something better? Think hard about this. What did this Administration do these past few years? Don't Google it, because I can tell you besides regular presidential duties, all he done is the wall and made the world aware of the truly dumb ignorant people in our country. It really has been a circus. Its troubling when you have a administration appointing incompetent people in roles that directly affects American lives. Then waging war against our top expert during this time.

Granted before he was elected he did say he would drain the swamp. Which sounded good, Yet truly, tell me what swamp did drain? Going off of your earlier post you think Only the Democrats, or I guess we saying left, is what you wanted to disrupt the most. So how did he disrupt them? All he has done is validate every platform they stood for. What facts are you looking for? Before 2016 I was a diehard Republican, but what I seen now is an embarrassment at the least. They are childish, especially the one with the big forehead. Even in 2012-2016 they was acting like children. Seems the Republicans only want to complain, but not offering any solutions. We are in Fl. What is our Governor doing? Fighting the statistics and facts, more than the virus in every conference. How has that worked out for us?

I'm sorry, but you had a leg to stand on the first 2 years, but at this moment if you still support this administration, you are unpatriotic.

[Motoyo]

As far as I am concerned, everyone has their panties in a wad bitching about this and that without stating any facts. And I'm not talking about politicians or the media. You keep saying corrupt, inept and other items that are just your emotions. Not one iota of absolute proof of anything. Just drinking the koolaid of either side.

Everyone bitches without offering rock solid solutions. I just want to keep more of the money I make and listening to Biden and others about raising taxes, especially on my business has me concerned.

I can think for myself and am not a follower like you, a person of the party of bitching because everyone else is doing it.

Oh, and by the way I have worked for some inept businesses in the past and the CEO never actually controls anything except for being a mouthpiece to the board.

And who do you think I follow? I can assume since I disagree with your stance, you assume I am one of 'insert whichever side you disagree with'. Which kool-aid am I drinking? Or is that just a hand waving dismissal of counter argument trying to use assumption of an 'emotion go-to reaction' based on disagreement of approval of whom you approve of?
Show me the flavor of the kool-aid you think I drink and I Will tell you if I even have a packet of it to start with.

It IS possible to be on the same team, and disagree about the ability of the coach.

And Inept is not an 'emotion' is it a measurable metric of ability vs tangible success results of a pliable skill. No emotion is needed to gauge the objective success rate of a skill being applied vs failure rate or obvious lack of knowledge of skill being claimed. If a guy got hired at your work saying he was the best fork lift driver your company could have and when he got on he could barely figure out how to start it, and had to ask how to raise the forks. Would you say calling him inept was emotional and not based on visual and contextual observations of his ability to do the job he claimed?

Also why does one need ability to give solutions needed to critique performance? IF you go to a restaurant that serves kobe steak, and its horrible does every patron need to know how to fix the issue before they can say out loud that it tastes horrible? "Who are you to say anything, you can't solve the issues..How do you know its bad tasting?"

[Red Talon]

If you don't realize its just to take over the apple cart and replace the employees with new equally corrupt yet polar opposite inner circle agenda apple vendors in an attempt to muster short term narrow gains, then the goal of the support is lost on the whole of the cause.

That's like saying you are happy this new inept CEO that took over where you work to run the company and brought in his own management team to skim off the top to drain the company dry into bankruptcy is OK. Because they fired or replaced all the old management you had a grudge with. And that felt good enough to overlook whatever they do. Because you got to see those old fuckfaces packing their office.

Supporting an inept leader just because they hate the same people as you, is short sighted tribalism that makes you the same version, just different political color, of what you are saying you cannot stand. (IE if someone said the same "Could eat a baby, long as they oppose trump" you would see them as corrupt simple minded agenda driven nitwits, and rightfully so...then why not when its the same just name replaced?).

As far as I am concerned, everyone has their panties in a wad bitching about this and that without stating any facts. And I'm not talking about politicians or the media. You keep saying corrupt, inept and other items that are just your emotions. Not one iota of absolute proof of anything. Just drinking the koolaid of either side.

Everyone bitches without offering rock solid solutions. I just want to keep more of the money I make and listening to Biden and others about raising taxes, especially on my business has me concerned.

I can think for myself and am not a follower like you, a person of the party of bitching because everyone else is doing it.

Oh, and by the way I have worked for some inept businesses in the past and the CEO never actually controls anything except for being a mouthpiece to the board.

[Motoyo]

I could care less if Trump walked across the White House lawn eating a live baby, he is upsetting the apple cart of the long term establishment politicians.

If you don't realize its just to take over the apple cart and replace the employees with new equally corrupt yet polar opposite inner circle agenda apple vendors in an attempt to muster short term narrow gains, then the goal of the support is lost on the whole of the cause.

That's like saying you are happy this new inept CEO that took over where you work to run the company and brought in his own management team to skim off the top to drain the company dry into bankruptcy is OK. Because they fired or replaced all the old management you had a grudge with. And that felt good enough to overlook whatever they do. Because you got to see those old fuckfaces packing their office.

Supporting an inept leader just because they hate the same people as you, is short sighted tribalism that makes you the same version, just different political color, of what you are saying you cannot stand. (IE if someone said the same "Could eat a baby, long as they oppose trump" you would see them as corrupt simple minded agenda driven nitwits, and rightfully so...then why not when its the same just name replaced?).

[Sparkish]

You do know that the kids in cages was Obama, correct? I could care less if Trump walked across the White House lawn eating a live baby, he is upsetting the apple cart of the long term establishment politicians. You can keep you Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Al Green and list goes on and on.

Now go ahead and call me a racist or a nazi or whatever your standby line is to people who disagree with you.

Well, they were built under Obama for the purpose of staging refugees by age and gender for less than 72 hours while they awaited transfer to HHS. So, yeah, the infrastructure was made under Obama; but this is certainly a novel application. Still, I don't think your position on any of it makes you a racist. And dislodging career politicians just riding the money and power train is a worthy goal; but I'm not willing to watch the world burn to accomplish it. And that is pretty much what's happening. And the one who most needs to go is McConnell. I'd take a thousand Pelosis if it would get rid of one Mitch.

[NeckAuthority]

But a very serious line was crossed with this once-proud American when kids started being put in cages & with federal secret police snatching people off the streets of American cities, there is no going back. Fuck that demented fascist & double-fuck his enablers who did not rid us of this authoritarian abomination when they could.

Neither greatness nor conservatism look like this, guys.

I agree 100%, but at this stage, we all probably had a love one or friend who came down with the disease, and either passed or fighting to live. My problem is indeed the enablers, and people who blindly supports his stance. You can't help who he is, but these other public figures are the one's who can push change. Yet seem the majority of them turn down their moral compass to support a president and not the party he sides with.

I been looking up a Recall election, It angers me knowing that our governor is going to keep his job for doing an god awful job for the next two years. There should be repercussions for your actions if thousands of people died from it. Which is why I don't know why celebrities and the news outlets don't push the idea for a Recall Election. For Florida its a guarantee more than 30% will sign on for it. To say kids go back to school in a worst situation then before the lock-down is just mad. I bet you for other states as well who has these enablers. If we start saying if you don't do your job someone else will, then they will start operating for the people they represent, and not a Dick. Man this governor has been fighting the facts more then the virus.

If I had the followers to do it, I start the charge for recall elections because these last 4 years just shows how childish these politicians are, because of the fact they think they can do whatever and keep their positions. Its ridiculous. I'm just guessing like the impeachment procedure, 90% of people just don't know about it.

[Red Talon]

But a very serious line was crossed with this once-proud American when kids started being put in cages & with federal secret police snatching people off the streets of American cities, there is no going back. Fuck that demented fascist & double-fuck his enablers who did not rid us of this authoritarian abomination when they could.

Neither greatness nor conservatism look like this, guys.

You do know that the kids in cages was Obama, correct? I could care less if Trump walked across the White House lawn eating a live baby, he is upsetting the apple cart of the long term establishment politicians. You can keep you Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Al Green and list goes on and on.

Now go ahead and call me a racist or a nazi or whatever your standby line is to people who disagree with you.

[TallBear]

This is all true, and what some need to understand is everything isn't all about Trump. Bad luck having this come down in an election year? Yes. But shit happens. He can still get re-elected.

But a very serious line was crossed with this once-proud American when kids started being put in cages & with federal secret police snatching people off the streets of American cities, there is no going back. Fuck that demented fascist & double-fuck his enablers who did not rid us of this authoritarian abomination when they could.

Neither greatness nor conservatism look like this, guys.

[FloridaGuy]

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[NeckAuthority]

This is all true, and what some need to understand is everything isn't all about Trump. Bad luck having this come down in an election year? Yes. But shit happens. He can still get re-elected.

I kind of wanted him to get re-elected LOL. Hear me out. Think about for the rest of his life he's going to get 200 k a year? For what? I'm not sure if being impeached effects that or not, but that is ridiculous. So I was hopping he get re-elected, and something bound to come up and he will finally be impeached through the senate as well. Yet I'm assuming he would pull a nixon if it went that far, so far Biden seems to be on the same boat as him.

It sucks that this virus did happen under his leadership, because of the fall out and deaths. Yet there is no way in hell, that the history books which will come out years from now, will have a positive exert of him. Plus, from my petty side, I don't have to argue statistics, or factual data to the trump fans base, all I have to say is 2020. There's no beating that LOL. All My buddies who voted for him don't support him, and are disgusted in his antics. They don't regret voting for him though, which nobody should. They voted for the message he put out. Hell I voted for him and just told everybody I voted for Hilary LOL. He talked a good game till he actually got into office and pulled the shid he said he was going to fix. It was just a pitiful past 4 years. Then the people he has appointed, has got to be a joke. Hopefully I live 10-20 years to see how he's story is told in the history books.

Side-Note: I hope they make a amendment or some law that says a VP can't pardon an Sitting president who either resigns or gets impeached. That should be common sense. Speaking of Pardons, man LOOK AT THE PEOPLE HE HAS PARDON. Shameful.

[OnTime877]

This is all true, and what some need to understand is everything isn't all about Trump. Bad luck having this come down in an election year? Yes. But shit happens. He can still get re-elected.

You're quite right. The problem seems to be that people are too lazy and or scared to learn how to tell good information from the shit that lets them wank off their confirmation bias until the dopamine flows.

Florida has had more cases in one day as many countries (with comparable population sizes) have had PERIOD. The number of cases doubled in the last two weeks. Which was doubled from the number of cases two weeks before that. Testing is not increasing exponentially, last time I looked.

I believe that the death percentage had been going down because we were getting the slingshot effect. More young people (who aren't as likely to die) were getting infected, so we're now seeing the older people that they transmitted it to start to die, and the death rate is going up again. I won't claim this is backed up by data yet, but it's my expectation that this will be borne out.

I say all this knowing that I'm unlikely to change anyone's mind. I just would like to point out that it's the doctors and the epidemiologists are screaming as loud as they can that this is a terrible situation, and we should do shit like wear masks and stay home when we can. The ones who are saying that we shouldn't worry, it's not that bad, and it'll go away if we ignore it (just like cancer, or that sore on your dick, right?) - those people are ALL politicians.

Who should you trust, the doctors or the politicians? The answer seems obvious to me.

[PlayTiem]

Performing trend analysis on a day by day basis is a fool's errand, guys. You simply cannot extrapolate any meaningful firm conclusions about infection patterns or fatality rates from the available datasets. Too much remains unknown & public policies based on denial & wishful thinking are not helping the situation. Neither viruses nor science care what you believe. And that includes where you get your news.

Nothwithstanding my own centrist political inclinations, I am a research scientist & getting my information from epidemiologists & other medical professionals, not from MSM & certainly not from social media or fucking Fox. I probably should leave it at that.

You're quite right. The problem seems to be that people are too lazy and or scared to learn how to tell good information from the shit that lets them wank off their confirmation bias until the dopamine flows.

Florida has had more cases in one day as many countries (with comparable population sizes) have had PERIOD. The number of cases doubled in the last two weeks. Which was doubled from the number of cases two weeks before that. Testing is not increasing exponentially, last time I looked.

I believe that the death percentage had been going down because we were getting the slingshot effect. More young people (who aren't as likely to die) were getting infected, so we're now seeing the older people that they transmitted it to start to die, and the death rate is going up again. I won't claim this is backed up by data yet, but it's my expectation that this will be borne out.

I say all this knowing that I'm unlikely to change anyone's mind. I just would like to point out that it's the doctors and the epidemiologists are screaming as loud as they can that this is a terrible situation, and we should do shit like wear masks and stay home when we can. The ones who are saying that we shouldn't worry, it's not that bad, and it'll go away if we ignore it (just like cancer, or that sore on your dick, right?) - those people are ALL politicians.

Who should you trust, the doctors or the politicians? The answer seems obvious to me.