Rants and Raves

[Johnny Mapalo]

Stick a fork on this shit for crying out loud. I'm reading all these recent reviews on the "Escort Review" thread and I'm seeing the same reviews every time. "She ripped me off", "I just got robbed", "I almost got robbed", "Terrible service", "Her goons confronted me in the parking lot". Dudes, you guys need to retire that backpage / listcrawler site. Since backpage was closed down by the gubment, everything has been on a steady decline. There's nothing left on that site, dudes. Nothing but undesirables are on there now. From junkies, to pimped out hoes, to scammers. You name it, there's nothing worth driving to see on that site anymore. Nothing!

You guys are just blowing money right now. I suggest you guys hone in on your masturbation skills or invest in a pocket pussy, because you will get more pleasure from either of them, than you would one of these sorry ass chics. It's not even worth it anymore. Your either going to get busted by the pigs, a pimp emerging out of the bathroom or knocking on the door mid-session, foul odors, half ass service, no BJ. Visiting unknown unreviewed chic's is a no no. You have completely no idea what to expect from a chic like that. Your more likely to go home disappointed than you would happy.

Also, there should be no reason why any of you guys should be prepaying for services before you see a chic. None!! I don't care how many times you've seen a chic or how many good reviews she has. Never prepay for services! Never!! If you do, the ball is now in her court and she can do you however she wants to do you. She's already got the money, so its no need for her to actually provide services then. Any chic asking for money for rooms or money before you get to the room, is an automatic dismissal. Always!

[Johnny Mapalo]

A few guys hit me on the DM for the British girls number, I can't stress this enough, she isn't an escort and I won't be able to give her number as we don't talk. I'm really just giving you a rare find, in fact it would better for you if she knows nothing about the forum or me telling you about her, again I don't mess with her atti shoot your shot, a little charm goes a ways, she's not a pro at this.

I'm not sure how you want me to answer that, too you consider helping a sugar baby or fwb as free? That's debatable but its not not pay per meet or hour, she's got good pussy and she's a good sugar baby if you prefer a real sugar baby instead of an escort.

You guys need to stop deluding yourselves. That same chic your talking about in the 1st link below messaged me unsolicited 3 months ago trying to hook up with me. She gave me access to her private pics as well and I never even asked her for them. She wanted to hook up for a fun time but I passed. Dude, your not special nor any of you other dudes on here that keep talking about you need a "little game" and "sweet talk her". These chics on that Sugar daddy site message plenty of men unsolicited with the same worn out copy and paste message. If she was truly a "sugar baby" you'd be taking her out, paying her bills, etc. You paid her, you had sex. Where's the "Sugar Baby" in that? Stop deluding yourself dude. Pics 1 and 2.

https://www.seeking.com/member/8add2...5-f27fcc898646

Also, in the 2nd link and pics 3 and 4. This chic just messaged me today telling me she's looking for a daddy to support her and in return, she'll give me anytime I want. Then in the next message she tells me that meet ups are off the table for now since she has or had to file a police report on a guy she just met online. LOL. She said that all she's doing is convo's and selling pics and videos. LOL. Good one. They're getting more innovative by the day. Also, notice her site join date is December 15,2018. 2 days ago. LOL. She's only been on the site for 2 days now and she already has to file a police report on someone she met online. LOL. Ok. Link below.

https://www.seeking.com/member/d3440...9-dc0b95703450

[LDSlanger]

What's so special about her? Does she fuck for free?

I'm not sure how you want me to answer that, too you consider helping a sugar baby or fwb as free? That's debatable but its not not pay per meet or hour, she's got good pussy and she's a good sugar baby if you prefer a real sugar baby instead of an escort.

[AllHailChet]

A few guys hit me on the DM for the British girls number, I can't stress this enough, she isn't an escort and I won't be able to give her number as we don't talk. I'm really just giving you a rare find, in fact it would better for you if she knows nothing about the forum or me telling you about her, again I don't mess with her atti shoot your shot, a little charm goes a ways, she's not a pro at this.

What's so special about her? Does she fuck for free?

[Petruchio]

So I currently have 2 SBs. Monthly allowance that is the same regardless of whether we see each other 2 times or 10 times. Both of them took down their SA profiles after we started. Maybe they simply blocked me, but I don't think so.

That's not to say those are the only two women I've met on SA.

I hope this thread continues. It is a good source of information. Yes, most of the reviews here are for negotiated P4P encounters and yes anyone who argues these encounters this would not result in an arrest and conviction are wrong. But that doesn't change the fact that those of us in the market find valuable information here.

If nothing else, this thread is similar to the CL and BP threads of old in that it relates to a specific source of meeting women. Perhaps the animosity and arguments can be avoided if the name of the thread were simply changed to "Seeking Arrangements."

I've never said that I don't think SB's exist. I've only said that the majority of chicks the wannabe SD's on this forum talk about are escorts. I know real Sugar Daddies, the guy who started this forum is a real Sugar Daddy, he's not a monger. SB's have exclusive clientele, they don't have low volume clientele, the have A client, one client, they have A guy who has the scratch to pay them. If they, not you, are deciding who else they fuck you are not a sugar daddy and they are not your sugar baby. They might be a low volume, high dollar hooker but they are a hooker and you are a john.

Now, if you want to lie to them and call them your sugar baby when you're talking to them so that they don't have to face the fact that they are a hooker I could give a shit less but don't lie to yourself about it. And don't ask me to join in the delusion.

[OnyxRain]

Duly noted.

I've never said that I don't think SB's exist. I've only said that the majority of chicks the wannabe SD's on this forum talk about are escorts. I know real Sugar Daddies, the guy who started this forum is a real Sugar Daddy, he's not a monger. SB's have exclusive clientele, they don't have low volume clientele, the have A client, one client, they have A guy who has the scratch to pay them. If they, not you, are deciding who else they fuck you are not a sugar daddy and they are not your sugar baby. They might be a low volume, high dollar hooker but they are a hooker and you are a john.

Now, if you want to lie to them and call them your sugar baby when you're talking to them so that they don't have to face the fact that they are a hooker I could give a shit less but don't lie to yourself about it. And don't ask me to join in the delusion.

I've had those girls write me and complain that somebody said they were a prostitute. I say "he wrote that he paid you for sex, did you fuck him for free?" An astonishing number answer with "yes, but him paying me for sex doesn't make me a prostitute I'm a (courtesan, sugar baby) whatever. I always disabuse them of that notion and none to gently.

I probably won't merge the threads, there's no use moving the fucking drama queens to the other thread but I'm tired of the guys who use these words to act as if they are somehow better than the guy who's paying some chick 20 bucks to suck his dick in his car. They aren't, and that's not because the want to be SD's are worse, there is no better nor worse, and I say that because I find no shame in commercial sex, they are the same because essentially it is the same. If a chick has an ad up and has multiple clients that she's seeing by the hour she's a hooker. Them not wanting to fuck fat old fuckers is no different than the chicks on BP that used to say no AA. We have always supported a hookers right to choose her clientele based on whatever criterion she wants to use. Because they are selective doesn't make them less a hooker.

[SkyHighBuilder]

I get it. Not kidding myself here. I'm just saying, I think there's enough a difference in the experience to warrant its own category on this board. A qv or hhr at a low-end motel is the typical escort set up. Most SA hookups, aside from the ex-BP providers, are a couple of hours at their residence or monger's hotel of choice. Again, I'm not saying that the p4 p aspect is not the same, in principle. I'm just saying that I've personally found it's a different overall experience.

With SA girls I find something that is mentally more appealing to my sense of the experience. Never had a discussion about time limits, it has always been full blown GFE (because I take the time to weed through the rest via text or some app and have the full conversation beforehand), have made some amazing connections, have a couple that have taken their site down completely and see me exclusively, I have the key to one and just drop by early on my way to work and stick my dick in her face to wake her up, LOL. This has been why I use SA so much. Through it I have brought several women into the party scene, had some more mentally fulfilling times, explored fantasies (both mine and brought out many on the women too). This, to me, is what going outside my normal, daily situation is supposed to offer. Not to say I don't still do the occasional drive by and scoop up a $20 BBJ on the fly from time to time but when it comes to spending higher amounts of my hard earned cash I don't want to take chances with women like Listcrawler and other sites. I read every review and comment on here and see you guys being beat out of money, time, bad experiences, questionable circumstances to get at someone you see online and it makes me kinda sad knowing I have been through it in the past too.

The whole SA thing for me just raises the bar on how many of us look at our mongering and the caliber or the experience too.

And I agree with everything KS said in his post below too. With the level of fun these girls are having and providing for me, and the group in general, I'll call them anything they want to be called. It makes them feel more special and I get that back from them in spades!

Happy Holidays.

SKY.

[LDSlanger]

A few guys hit me on the DM for the British girls number, I can't stress this enough, she isn't an escort and I won't be able to give her number as we don't talk. I'm really just giving you a rare find, in fact it would better for you if she knows nothing about the forum or me telling you about her, again I don't mess with her atti shoot your shot, a little charm goes a ways, she's not a pro at this.

[Admin2]

To Admin and others.

Do you all find that there's no qualitative difference between "escorts" and sugar babies? I personally find that there's a huge difference. I'm not saying that it's not pay for play. It definitely is. But, for that matter, we could put everything in the "escort" category on this site, if we're going to define it that broadly. There's no doubt that, with the shutdown of BP and CL, many providers have moved to the SA forum but if we eliminate those, I find that SA is not the same as an Escort Babylon.

I'm just putting this out there as a vote to keep the SA thread open, in light of the mention of merging the two categories. Hispanic Massage Apartments are escorts, some Massage Parlors are escorts, some non-AMP massage girls offer FS, and, in my humble opinion, many SA girls are a different breed than traditional escorts. Having said that, each represents a different flavor of mongering.

Just my two cents.

I've never said that I don't think SB's exist. I've only said that the majority of chicks the wannabe SD's on this forum talk about are escorts. I know real Sugar Daddies, the guy who started this forum is a real Sugar Daddy, he's not a monger. SB's have exclusive clientele, they don't have low volume clientele, the have A client, one client, they have A guy who has the scratch to pay them. If they, not you, are deciding who else they fuck you are not a sugar daddy and they are not your sugar baby. They might be a low volume, high dollar hooker but they are a hooker and you are a john.

Now, if you want to lie to them and call them your sugar baby when you're talking to them so that they don't have to face the fact that they are a hooker I could give a shit less but don't lie to yourself about it. And don't ask me to join in the delusion.

I've had those girls write me and complain that somebody said they were a prostitute. I say "he wrote that he paid you for sex, did you fuck him for free?" An astonishing number answer with "yes, but him paying me for sex doesn't make me a prostitute I'm a (courtesan, sugar baby) whatever. I always disabuse them of that notion and none to gently.

I probably won't merge the threads, there's no use moving the fucking drama queens to the other thread but I'm tired of the guys who use these words to act as if they are somehow better than the guy who's paying some chick 20 bucks to suck his dick in his car. They aren't, and that's not because the want to be SD's are worse, there is no better nor worse, and I say that because I find no shame in commercial sex, they are the same because essentially it is the same. If a chick has an ad up and has multiple clients that she's seeing by the hour she's a hooker. Them not wanting to fuck fat old fuckers is no different than the chicks on BP that used to say no AA. We have always supported a hookers right to choose her clientele based on whatever criterion she wants to use. Because they are selective doesn't make them less a hooker.

[KingSlayer22]

Still crickets on Ariel🤫 ?

Nothing but silence, I'm not exactly sure why. She wanted out a while ago and could have been a fleeting thought.

[NoRug17]

Things have went silent up North of here so no word on the return. Will keep you posted if we hear anything.

Still crickets on Ariel🤫 ?

[Tozuka281]

Why not just change the name of the forum to something like Seeking Advertiser Reviews just like the old BP and CL forums? Hell even Seeking "Arrangements" don't even call themselves that anymore. It's just Seeking now LOL.

I jumped onto the SA wagon for a while like everyone else during the BP shutdown. But even then I knew exactly what SA was, just another platform to find P4 P women. I've since stopped using that site because of the increasing fees and my lack of time to go fishing. Call them whatever you want: sugar babies, escorts, hookers, wh*res but there's no hiding the fact that they're just sucking dick for money. If you're looking for something more attached than that, then you're on the wrong site friend.

But I think it'd be a poor move to merge the sugar baby and escort forums because that Seeking website is a completely different beast than something like your basic ad site like Listcrawler. You can easily get in touch with ad girls and it's wham bam thank you ma'am.

But with Seeking, first you got to pay the bullshit monthly fee just to communicate with the ladies (by the way is the fee up to $100 a month yet LOL). Then you have to spend hours and days on end weeding out girls and setting up meets. I'm sorry I just don't have the time for that nonsense anymore. But my hat's off to the guys putting in the work and sharing info on the sugar baby forum. I will admit that you will definitely find some choice grade A hotties on Seeking that you wouldn't find on a regular ad site. So I think those guys continue to deserve their own forum to share Seeking info. I wouldn't want them cluttering up the escort forum with info on ladies I can't even get into contact with without a paid membership.

Women have this weird heirarchy in their heads, don't get sucked into their bullshit fellas.

Married women think they're better than the below because they don't have to suck dick for money, just future alimony.

Sugar babies think they're better than the below because they just have to suck out money from the "real" sugar daddies.

Strippers and massage girls think they're better than the below because they just dance exoticly or massage for money. You can stick a finger in me, but a penis is where I draw the line.

Escorts think they're better than the below because they only fuck for a lot of money.

Hookers think they're better than the below because they only fuck for money.

Streetwalkers think they're better than the below because they only fuck for some money and / or drugs.

Sluts.

[OnyxRain]

I pretty much agree with your comments. I'm under no illusion that there's anything exclusive about the arrangement except in rare cases.

Again, I just make a distinction between the two. If I'm looking for a quick bite to eat, I might hit up a drive thru. But, if I feel like a sitting down for a decent meal, I'll go somewhere else. It's all food and they're all restaurants, but different experiences. That's all I'm saying.

At the end of the day, I'm just stating that I'd prefer that the SA thread remain open. No disillusionment on my part.

I agree with Admin that if you're not her only "Daddy" and she hasn't taken her profile down she is essentially an escort. I would say however, that what used to be most, but since the BP shutdown at least many, are what I would term "selective" escorts, LOL. They will turn you down based on looks, age, and if you're too crass or blatant with your requests. True escorts will see pretty much anyone who is safe and has the cash. You still have to have game and not treat them like an escort. Even if you have a weekly or monthly "arrangement", if she's seeing a bunch of guys, she's an escort. As one guy from another site calls them, "Hookers on retainer".

You can also say many are low-volume escorts at least. I usually tell them, "I don't mind if there are 2 or 3 more of me, but more than that I'm not interested. ".

Still, I would like to see the Sugarbaby thread remain.

Just my thoughts.

Travelin.

[KingSlayer22]

To Admin and others.

Do you all find that there's no qualitative difference between "escorts" and sugar babies? I personally find that there's a huge difference. I'm not saying that it's not pay for play. It definitely is. But, for that matter, we could put everything in the "escort" category on this site, if we're going to define it that broadly. There's no doubt that, with the shutdown of BP and CL, many providers have moved to the SA forum but if we eliminate those, I find that SA is not the same as an Escort Babylon.

I'm just putting this out there as a vote to keep the SA thread open, in light of the mention of merging the two categories. Hispanic Massage Apartments are escorts, some Massage Parlors are escorts, some non-AMP massage girls offer FS, and, in my humble opinion, many SA girls are a different breed than traditional escorts. Having said that, each represents a different flavor of mongering.

Just my two cents.

There is a difference in how they go about things, not the definition itself. Their attitudes in most cases is also different and yes they are selective which personally works for me, they'd rather someone else do that for them then sift through endless texts and no shows. Won't get too deep in the weeds and get scolded over the mechanics of it but for us SA has been a gold mine. We don't want desperate girls who will do just about anything and take risks so we have no traditional escorts in our parties anymore. Rather have them grounded, not jaded, and most of all not looking for a fix. Most party girls are from SA, hold down 9 to 5's, if theres a bad week they aren't panicking taking risks. They like being called Party girls and that suites me fine, I have a date or appt, works for me. Whatever makes them happy and keeps them rocking on makes a lot of guys happy! Its all about semantics and calling one these girls in terms they don't appreciate wouldn't be in my best interest so whatever your thoughts are remember the audience you are speaking to. They prefer being treated and called babies, your hunny, or whatever works for them is fine with me.

[OnyxRain]

I get it. Not kidding myself here. I'm just saying, I think there's enough a difference in the experience to warrant its own category on this board. A qv or hhr at a low-end motel is the typical escort set up. Most SA hookups, aside from the ex-BP providers, are a couple of hours at their residence or monger's hotel of choice. Again, I'm not saying that the p4 p aspect is not the same, in principle. I'm just saying that I've personally found it's a different overall experience.

It's the same thing but it's just more "politically correct," and the lady feels less stigma / shame.

You're giving something of value (cash, services, job offering etc) in return for sexual favors, it's just less obvious but it's the same principles.

There are a lot of young women who **** themselves out for job advancement, school grades, car repairs etc. For all we know they are even MORE COMMON than the typical street walkers. They probably consider themselves "virtuous" in comparison to an escort, but one can argue that the escort is more HONEST AND DIRECT.