Rants and Raves

[NoRug17]

Things have went silent up North of here so no word on the return. Will keep you posted if we hear anything.

Still crickets on Ariel🤫 ?

[Tozuka281]

Why not just change the name of the forum to something like Seeking Advertiser Reviews just like the old BP and CL forums? Hell even Seeking "Arrangements" don't even call themselves that anymore. It's just Seeking now LOL.

I jumped onto the SA wagon for a while like everyone else during the BP shutdown. But even then I knew exactly what SA was, just another platform to find P4 P women. I've since stopped using that site because of the increasing fees and my lack of time to go fishing. Call them whatever you want: sugar babies, escorts, hookers, wh*res but there's no hiding the fact that they're just sucking dick for money. If you're looking for something more attached than that, then you're on the wrong site friend.

But I think it'd be a poor move to merge the sugar baby and escort forums because that Seeking website is a completely different beast than something like your basic ad site like Listcrawler. You can easily get in touch with ad girls and it's wham bam thank you ma'am.

But with Seeking, first you got to pay the bullshit monthly fee just to communicate with the ladies (by the way is the fee up to $100 a month yet LOL). Then you have to spend hours and days on end weeding out girls and setting up meets. I'm sorry I just don't have the time for that nonsense anymore. But my hat's off to the guys putting in the work and sharing info on the sugar baby forum. I will admit that you will definitely find some choice grade A hotties on Seeking that you wouldn't find on a regular ad site. So I think those guys continue to deserve their own forum to share Seeking info. I wouldn't want them cluttering up the escort forum with info on ladies I can't even get into contact with without a paid membership.

Women have this weird heirarchy in their heads, don't get sucked into their bullshit fellas.

Married women think they're better than the below because they don't have to suck dick for money, just future alimony.

Sugar babies think they're better than the below because they just have to suck out money from the "real" sugar daddies.

Strippers and massage girls think they're better than the below because they just dance exoticly or massage for money. You can stick a finger in me, but a penis is where I draw the line.

Escorts think they're better than the below because they only fuck for a lot of money.

Hookers think they're better than the below because they only fuck for money.

Streetwalkers think they're better than the below because they only fuck for some money and / or drugs.

Sluts.

[OnyxRain]

I pretty much agree with your comments. I'm under no illusion that there's anything exclusive about the arrangement except in rare cases.

Again, I just make a distinction between the two. If I'm looking for a quick bite to eat, I might hit up a drive thru. But, if I feel like a sitting down for a decent meal, I'll go somewhere else. It's all food and they're all restaurants, but different experiences. That's all I'm saying.

At the end of the day, I'm just stating that I'd prefer that the SA thread remain open. No disillusionment on my part.

I agree with Admin that if you're not her only "Daddy" and she hasn't taken her profile down she is essentially an escort. I would say however, that what used to be most, but since the BP shutdown at least many, are what I would term "selective" escorts, LOL. They will turn you down based on looks, age, and if you're too crass or blatant with your requests. True escorts will see pretty much anyone who is safe and has the cash. You still have to have game and not treat them like an escort. Even if you have a weekly or monthly "arrangement", if she's seeing a bunch of guys, she's an escort. As one guy from another site calls them, "Hookers on retainer".

You can also say many are low-volume escorts at least. I usually tell them, "I don't mind if there are 2 or 3 more of me, but more than that I'm not interested. ".

Still, I would like to see the Sugarbaby thread remain.

Just my thoughts.

Travelin.

[KingSlayer22]

To Admin and others.

Do you all find that there's no qualitative difference between "escorts" and sugar babies? I personally find that there's a huge difference. I'm not saying that it's not pay for play. It definitely is. But, for that matter, we could put everything in the "escort" category on this site, if we're going to define it that broadly. There's no doubt that, with the shutdown of BP and CL, many providers have moved to the SA forum but if we eliminate those, I find that SA is not the same as an Escort Babylon.

I'm just putting this out there as a vote to keep the SA thread open, in light of the mention of merging the two categories. Hispanic Massage Apartments are escorts, some Massage Parlors are escorts, some non-AMP massage girls offer FS, and, in my humble opinion, many SA girls are a different breed than traditional escorts. Having said that, each represents a different flavor of mongering.

Just my two cents.

There is a difference in how they go about things, not the definition itself. Their attitudes in most cases is also different and yes they are selective which personally works for me, they'd rather someone else do that for them then sift through endless texts and no shows. Won't get too deep in the weeds and get scolded over the mechanics of it but for us SA has been a gold mine. We don't want desperate girls who will do just about anything and take risks so we have no traditional escorts in our parties anymore. Rather have them grounded, not jaded, and most of all not looking for a fix. Most party girls are from SA, hold down 9 to 5's, if theres a bad week they aren't panicking taking risks. They like being called Party girls and that suites me fine, I have a date or appt, works for me. Whatever makes them happy and keeps them rocking on makes a lot of guys happy! Its all about semantics and calling one these girls in terms they don't appreciate wouldn't be in my best interest so whatever your thoughts are remember the audience you are speaking to. They prefer being treated and called babies, your hunny, or whatever works for them is fine with me.

[OnyxRain]

I get it. Not kidding myself here. I'm just saying, I think there's enough a difference in the experience to warrant its own category on this board. A qv or hhr at a low-end motel is the typical escort set up. Most SA hookups, aside from the ex-BP providers, are a couple of hours at their residence or monger's hotel of choice. Again, I'm not saying that the p4 p aspect is not the same, in principle. I'm just saying that I've personally found it's a different overall experience.

It's the same thing but it's just more "politically correct," and the lady feels less stigma / shame.

You're giving something of value (cash, services, job offering etc) in return for sexual favors, it's just less obvious but it's the same principles.

There are a lot of young women who **** themselves out for job advancement, school grades, car repairs etc. For all we know they are even MORE COMMON than the typical street walkers. They probably consider themselves "virtuous" in comparison to an escort, but one can argue that the escort is more HONEST AND DIRECT.

[TravelinSD]

I agree with Admin that if you're not her only "Daddy" and she hasn't taken her profile down she is essentially an escort. I would say however, that what used to be most, but since the BP shutdown at least many, are what I would term "selective" escorts, LOL. They will turn you down based on looks, age, and if you're too crass or blatant with your requests. True escorts will see pretty much anyone who is safe and has the cash. You still have to have game and not treat them like an escort. Even if you have a weekly or monthly "arrangement", if she's seeing a bunch of guys, she's an escort. As one guy from another site calls them, "Hookers on retainer".

You can also say many are low-volume escorts at least. I usually tell them, "I don't mind if there are 2 or 3 more of me, but more than that I'm not interested. ".

Still, I would like to see the Sugarbaby thread remain.

Just my thoughts.

Travelin.

To Admin and others.

Do you all find that there's no qualitative difference between "escorts" and sugar babies? I personally find that there's a huge difference. I'm not saying that it's not pay for play. It definitely is. But, for that matter, we could put everything in the "escort" category on this site, if we're going to define it that broadly. There's no doubt that, with the shutdown of BP and CL, many providers have moved to the SA forum but if we eliminate those, I find that SA is not the same as an Escort Babylon.

I'm just putting this out there as a vote to keep the SA thread open, in light of the mention of merging the two categories. Hispanic Massage Apartments are escorts, some Massage Parlors are escorts, some non-AMP massage girls offer FS, and, in my humble opinion, many SA girls are a different breed than traditional escorts. Having said that, each represents a different flavor of mongering.

Just my two cents.

[IslandParty]

To Admin and others.

Do you all find that there's no qualitative difference between "escorts" and sugar babies? I personally find that there's a huge difference. I'm not saying that it's not pay for play. It definitely is. But, for that matter, we could put everything in the "escort" category on this site, if we're going to define it that broadly. There's no doubt that, with the shutdown of BP and CL, many providers have moved to the SA forum but if we eliminate those, I find that SA is not the same as an Escort Babylon.

I'm just putting this out there as a vote to keep the SA thread open, in light of the mention of merging the two categories. Hispanic Massage Apartments are escorts, some Massage Parlors are escorts, some non-AMP massage girls offer FS, and, in my humble opinion, many SA girls are a different breed than traditional escorts. Having said that, each represents a different flavor of mongering.

Just my two cents.

It's the same thing but it's just more "politically correct," and the lady feels less stigma / shame.

You're giving something of value (cash, services, job offering etc) in return for sexual favors, it's just less obvious but it's the same principles.

There are a lot of young women who **** themselves out for job advancement, school grades, car repairs etc. For all we know they are even MORE COMMON than the typical street walkers. They probably consider themselves "virtuous" in comparison to an escort, but one can argue that the escort is more HONEST AND DIRECT.

[OnyxRain]

To Admin and others.

Do you all find that there's no qualitative difference between "escorts" and sugar babies? I personally find that there's a huge difference. I'm not saying that it's not pay for play. It definitely is. But, for that matter, we could put everything in the "escort" category on this site, if we're going to define it that broadly. There's no doubt that, with the shutdown of BP and CL, many providers have moved to the SA forum but if we eliminate those, I find that SA is not the same as an Escort Babylon.

I'm just putting this out there as a vote to keep the SA thread open, in light of the mention of merging the two categories. Hispanic Massage Apartments are escorts, some Massage Parlors are escorts, some non-AMP massage girls offer FS, and, in my humble opinion, many SA girls are a different breed than traditional escorts. Having said that, each represents a different flavor of mongering.

Just my two cents.

[SkyHighBuilder]

Yeah, reminds me of back in the day when I replaced the 396 in my '70 Chevelle SS with an LS6 454 I got for $100. Car was black with dual white stripes, raised rear with Cragars and fat bias-plys, a Muncie M-22 with bad synchronizers and a back window sticker that read, "NO FAT CHICKS. " Had to double-clutch the b!tch just to get it home and hit the gas a half block away from the gf's house so the Thrush cherry bombs would quiet down while I idled / eased it up the driveway so her parents wouldn't wake up.

Talk about an idjit, I sold the car for $2 K. It'd be worth well over $300 K today, given its options. Wish someone would've smacked me upside the head back then for selling it. That still grinds my gears.

That was TOO f*ing rich!

I had a '70 Chevelle SS 396 (Red with dual stripes) back in '75 and put 3 k in the motor alone. Roller Lifters, High lift and duration cam, 14-1 pop-up pistons, machined rods, polished and balanced crank. The whole 9 yards. That car would pull the front wheels off the ground in 3rd gear and my ex at the time had someone bust open the hood locks and pour sugar water down the carb. Smash things up all under the hood. Ended up selling it for 2 k too. I kick myself every day for that one.

Merry Christmas,

SKY.

[The Hated One]

First off, how can you dudes be falling in love with massage girls and marrying escorts and such. That's about the corniest thing I've ever heard. You got to be one depraved mutha you know what to be falling in love with escorts, massage girls, strippers, sex workers, etc. These chic's see so many guys per day / week they couldn't tell one from the other. Most of them will lead your dumbass on, just as long as the money keeps coming in. If the money stops coming in, let's see if that "love" will get you any free services. I doubt it. Stop being a fucking simp and get your massage and move on. These chic's don't love you, just what's in your wallet.

Second, I wanted to say something a week ago about the guy that claimed he took some Sugar Babies virginity. LOL. Guy please. That chic probably says that to every guy she encounters to get top dollar from them. Yes, I'm a virgin. That will be $1,500 to take my virginity kind sir. Pfft. LOL. You never stop to think that if a girl is selling her virginity then it must not be that sacred to her. Especially, if she's selling that virginity to a total stranger she just met off the internet. Smh. Come on dudes, don't be so damn foolish. The chic's using that virginity ploy to get top dollar out of you desperate simps. Wise up.

Third, I like how when someone post a chic's link from that Sugar daddy site, within 24 hours, the link and the chic's ad has been deleted. LOL. I find it fascinating how chic's profiles are deleted directly after their link and deeds are posted on here. It's as if someone on here tells them about them being posted on here and they delete their profiles immediately. I some how feel some jealous female on here is behind all this.

Fourth, when are you dudes going to actually write a review with some description of what happened during your session. Uhmm. "I just saw Lisa yesterday. She was fabulous, great body and even better ending. I will repeat". Dude, that is not a fucking review..

Great rant, filled with nothing but raw facts. I wish I could post like that without being accused of trolling.

But as usual you you are preaching to the choir. Simps just aren't going to stop their foolishness, but dating sex workers just takes this "hobby" to a new low. That's just downright Lame and pathetic.

[Admin2]

First off, how can you dudes be falling in love with massage girls and marrying escorts and such.

He's a troll, trying to get people to respond to him. He's been pretty successful so far.

I don't think anything he says is true, I think he's been banned multiple times before.

That being said, I know a bunch of guys who hooked up on a serious basis with former escorts. More than half are doing ok. They weren't US escorts though and I think that makes a difference.

A2.

[Niteluvr]

You should have started this rant with "You know what grinds my gears!

Yeah, reminds me of back in the day when I replaced the 396 in my '70 Chevelle SS with an LS6 454 I got for $100. Car was black with dual white stripes, raised rear with Cragars and fat bias-plys, a Muncie M-22 with bad synchronizers and a back window sticker that read, "NO FAT CHICKS. " Had to double-clutch the b!tch just to get it home and hit the gas a half block away from the gf's house so the Thrush cherry bombs would quiet down while I idled / eased it up the driveway so her parents wouldn't wake up.

Talk about an idjit, I sold the car for $2 K. It'd be worth well over $300 K today, given its options. Wish someone would've smacked me upside the head back then for selling it. That still grinds my gears.

[Rocky Balbotox]

First off, how can you dudes be falling in love with massage girls and marrying escorts and such. That's about the corniest thing I've ever heard. You got to be one depraved mutha you know what to be falling in love with escorts, massage girls, strippers, sex workers, etc. These chic's see so many guys per day / week they couldn't tell one from the other. Most of them will lead your dumbass on, just as long as the money keeps coming in. If the money stops coming in, let's see if that "love" will get you any free services. I doubt it. Stop being a fucking simp and get your massage and move on. These chic's don't love you, just what's in your wallet.

Second, I wanted to say something a week ago about the guy that claimed he took some Sugar Babies virginity. LOL. Guy please. That chic probably says that to every guy she encounters to get top dollar from them. Yes, I'm a virgin. That will be $1,500 to take my virginity kind sir. Pfft. LOL. You never stop to think that if a girl is selling her virginity then it must not be that sacred to her. Especially, if she's selling that virginity to a total stranger she just met off the internet. Smh. Come on dudes, don't be so damn foolish. The chic's using that virginity ploy to get top dollar out of you desperate simps. Wise up.

Third, I like how when someone post a chic's link from that Sugar daddy site, within 24 hours, the link and the chic's ad has been deleted. LOL. I find it fascinating how chic's profiles are deleted directly after their link and deeds are posted on here. It's as if someone on here tells them about them being posted on here and they delete their profiles immediately. I some how feel some jealous female on here is behind all this.

Fourth, when are you dudes going to actually write a review with some description of what happened during your session. Uhmm. "I just saw Lisa yesterday. She was fabulous, great body and even better ending. I will repeat". Dude, that is not a fucking review. That's like a teaser or a 1 minute movie preview. Why do you think when you post your "review" you have 5 different guys with follow up responses like, "How did her boobs look", "Did she let your touch her body", "Did she handjob you until the end or stopped as soon as you released", "How did her ass look", "Where is she located", "Did she look like the pics". I mean Jesus Christ dudes, write a falking review. Why do you think you have 6 different guys asking you all these questions about your "review". Sheesh. Next thing you know, we got a whole page of questions and answers for 1 frigging review when you should have wrote price, location, body, service description in your original review. Ridiculous.

I even entered a chic's name in the search box and saw 5 different guys talk about her and they weren't really saying shit. "She looks good", "I will repeat", "She left me feeling very happy". Guys, that's not a fucking review! That's why you have other guys asking questions about your review afterwards. That's because you didn't write a "descriptive review" in the first place. You just threw a few hints and clues here and there but you didn't really write shit. Also, stop with this freaking "pm me for more details". What the falk kind of shit is that? Write the whole frigging review on the board. Who the hell wants to pm you for a full review when you should have written it on the board in the 1st place.

And new guys, stop coming in here writing half a review with no links or contact info of the chic you reviewed and telling guys to pm you for more info. We all know exactly what your trying to do. Your trying to use that one and only half ass review you ever wrote, as trade bait for someone else's UTR. That's exactly what your doing. And that's exactly what a lot of you guys are doing when you tell guys to pm you for more of the review. Your trying to use that one and only half ass review to get someone to give you some contact info on their UTR. Your not slick. I hope none of you guys fall for it and give out a UTR to some half asser who only comes here looking to take, take and take some more.

Lastly, if you're new here, you need to get some clout and post some actual info before you try to host a gangbang or try to get into a gangbang or get video tapes of a gangbang or get UTR info or any info for that matter. What the hell are some of you dweebs thinking when you come on here with 4 post and try to host a gangbang. Like dude, who the fuck are you? Who is going to trust you with their money? Who is going to trust you with the security to make sure that everything is secure. Who is going to trust that your not some pimp trying to run game. The same with you unknowns coming on here asking to join gangbang parties and asking for UTR info. Like, who the fuck are you dude? Why would someone give you with 3 post information on a gangbang or UTR? Are your retarded?

I even have fools who claim their coming from out of town and pm me asking me for UTR info. Really? Are you kidding me? How do I know that your not some psycho killer from out of town or worse some cop looking for information. Get the fuck out of here. You guys need to come better than that. Get get some clout, post more and gain the trust of others before asking for sacred information. Nobody knows you.

Man, this is just another example of why I enjoy reading your posts as much as I do. Very real, completely on the money and entertaining as always.

[Zipper34]

Johnny has called me out a couple times in the past but I can't deny that he tells the truth with his rants most of the time.

[Roddee]

You should have started this rant with "You know what grinds my gears!

These chicks love capital one. . .