I didn't insist on cashapp, granted it's my preference and in my experience I've found that probably 95% of the time it's the gals preference as well so they don't have carry around a bunch of cash and it saves them trip to the bank. But unless the gal specifically asks for cash I assume she's cool with an electronic payment of some type, in this instance she didn't specifically ask for cash so I didn't stop by the atm. But SHE was the one that was insistent about getting paid upfront or at least having the cash sitting out. But had I had the cash on me what's the difference if it's sitting out or in my pocket? Well if it's sitting out on the table she can grab it and run out. Which has happened to me more than once. Maybe some of you haven't been in the game long enough or read enough stories on this board to recognize a red flag when you see one, but I've been playing in the bowl for a good 5 yrs now and this girls actions and words screamed red flag after red flag. Especially when she's that adamant about it.
And some of you guys are getting way too caught up about the fact that she tried to claim she was a virgin. There's not a chance in hell she was a virgin and there's zero chance this was the first time she's tried pulling this hustle. She's selling pussy on the internet ffs. Why'all are acting like this was some sweet, innocent doe eyed little bunny and I'm the big scary predator that was making her feel unsafe. Far from it, I tried to be hospitable and ask if she'd like some wine or something to drink, I had music playing to set the atmosphere. We were sitting at opposite ends of a couch while I'm trying to be charming / funny and make small talk to get to know her and she just abruptly changes the subject 2 minutes in to try to change what was negotiated and wanting paid right away. You weren't there obviously but something was off from the moment she pulled into the parking lot so I went with my instincts. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Agree. All these girls on seeking are just prostitutes plain ******. There isn't a diamond in the rough.
They're all broken in some ways. You have to have some issues as a 20 something willing to bang old crusty fuckers like us.
The part I don't get from your side is your insistence on paying her through Cashapp. Most girls like cash, and it is always my way of paying. No paper trail. Why Cashapp? Did you discuss with her beforehand the payment would be Cashapp and she changed her mind when she got to the hotel room? If she was genuine (which I don't believe) she has a reason to be suspicious. Or you actually had cash with you and it was your getaway strategy to escape the scene?
I didn't insist on cashapp, granted it's my preference and in my experience I've found that probably 95% of the time it's the gals preference as well so they don't have carry around a bunch of cash and it saves them trip to the bank. But unless the gal specifically asks for cash I assume she's cool with an electronic payment of some type, in this instance she didn't specifically ask for cash so I didn't stop by the atm. But SHE was the one that was insistent about getting paid upfront or at least having the cash sitting out. But had I had the cash on me what's the difference if it's sitting out or in my pocket? Well if it's sitting out on the table she can grab it and run out. Which has happened to me more than once. Maybe some of you haven't been in the game long enough or read enough stories on this board to recognize a red flag when you see one, but I've been playing in the bowl for a good 5 yrs now and this girls actions and words screamed red flag after red flag. Especially when she's that adamant about it.
I guess I will be the contrarian here. I think you sort of blew it. You had a very cute, very young girl, maybe not a virgin but maybe she was, and who may have been willing to have condom sex with you for $500. Maybe if you had given in on the condoms (which I always use anyway. I want to reduce the risk of taking something back to my GF) she might have been more amenable to compromising on the payment method. It seems like you may have pushed a scared, naive girl, insisted on having everything your way, and ended up with no girl and out a hotel room. Respectfully I think I would have handled it all differently. I prefer being nice to the girls and it usually gets me a long way.
And some of you guys are getting way too caught up about the fact that she tried to claim she was a virgin. There's not a chance in hell she was a virgin and there's zero chance this was the first time she's tried pulling this hustle. She's selling pussy on the internet ffs. Why'all are acting like this was some sweet, innocent doe eyed little bunny and I'm the big scary predator that was making her feel unsafe. Far from it, I tried to be hospitable and ask if she'd like some wine or something to drink, I had music playing to set the atmosphere. We were sitting at opposite ends of a couch while I'm trying to be charming / funny and make small talk to get to know her and she just abruptly changes the subject 2 minutes in to try to change what was negotiated and wanting paid right away. You weren't there obviously but something was off from the moment she pulled into the parking lot so I went with my instincts. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.
So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room.
Virgin or not and hot or not, you did the right thing. The only thing do differently if M&G in a bar or restaurant. That way if things start too go south like it did with your, you are only out a drink or a meal, a lot less than a hotel room. I'd also never leave the hotel room to the girl, ever! Did it once and the hotel won't rent me a room again since I got flagged for leaving drug paraphernalia (syringes, needles, baggies, pipes etc) in the room and I don't even do drugs! Worse is they either steal stuff or trash the room and it goes on your hotel bill.
The part I don't get from your side is your insistence on paying her through Cashapp. Most girls like cash, and it is always my way of paying. No paper trail. Why Cashapp? Did you discuss with her beforehand the payment would be Cashapp and she changed her mind when she got to the hotel room? If she was genuine (which I don't believe) she has a reason to be suspicious. Or you actually had cash with you and it was your getaway strategy to escape the scene?
Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.
So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool. But as soon as she gets in the room she's just super awkward. Over the years I've been told dozens of times by gals when they meet me I'm very disarming, very easy to talk to. I like to make small talk for a while, get to know one another so I start to try with her. Ask where she's from, what she does for work. Immediately within two minutes she completely changes the subject, just straight to the point and asks if she can change my mind about not using condoms? I'm like nope, that's what was agreed to so that's the deal. If you're not comfortable I totally understand, and you're more than welcome to leave. So right off the bat she's making things awkward. She then says ok fine, can you pay me now? I said no, I'd prefer to take care of that when we're done. She says well I'm not going anywhere, can we just do it now? I'd be more comfortable if we took care of it now. Again I said no I'm not comfortable with that, but once again if you've got a problem with it you're welcome to leave. She says well can you at least set the cash out so I can see it? At this point I know this whole situation is fucked but I'm still holding out hope because she's pretty hot and I'd really like to continue with our original plans so I said you never told me you wanted cash, I'd prefer to cash app you when we're done. She said she doesn't have cash app, so I said ok, well I didn't stop to get cash so I'll have to go to the ATM downstairs. Is that what you want me to do? Go all the way downstairs now, or can we just take care of it when we're done? She said yes I'd like you to go get the cash. So I grabbed my phone, acted like I was going to get the cash and just went out to my car left. I'm 99% sure based on all her sketchy behavior from circling the parking lot for 10 minutes, to taking forever to actually get to the room to the awkwardness once she was in the room that something was up. It was either going to be a cash and dash, or at best I'd get one nut and she'd immediately come up with some bullshit excuse 10 minutes later that she'd have to leave. So I chalked it up to a waste of money on the room and cut my losses there.
But regardless, the whole vibe was fucked once she was so adamant about me paying her upfront. And tbh anytime I've had a chick in the past ask for it upfront and I've unwillingly agreed it's never a good experience because now they've lost any incentive to stay for however long you agreed to or to live up to their end of the deal. Hasn't happened often but when it does I always end up feeling shorted. So does anyone have some good advice on how to handle the situation when they ask to be paid upfront but to still not come off sounding like a complete dick and ruin the vibe? Because I'll be honest, idk how to handle that situation with any grace and still stick to my guns.
I guess I will be the contrarian here. I think you sort of blew it. You had a very cute, very young girl, maybe not a virgin but maybe she was, and who may have been willing to have condom sex with you for $500. Maybe if you had given in on the condoms (which I always use anyway. I want to reduce the risk of taking something back to my GF) she might have been more amenable to compromising on the payment method. It seems like you may have pushed a scared, naive girl, insisted on having everything your way, and ended up with no girl and out a hotel room. Respectfully I think I would have handled it all differently. I prefer being nice to the girls and it usually gets me a long way.
That's why I never take a girl to a hotel room before talking to them at a public place where both parties can change their minds without any pressure and with out making a scene. This type of conversations in a hotel room (especially where a young or inexperienced girl may feel pressured) never end up well. You could have also saved the cost for the hotel room. Regardless, IMO, you were not going to get goods from her anyway. The virgin claim should have been a clue. I would have ended the deal right there. Starts with deception, ends up with deception.
Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Last edited by DrSummer; 03-26-24 at 22:18.
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If I were in such a situation, I would try to calm things in this way. I would say offer to give her 100 upfront, to 'show my goodwill'. I have on multiple occasions given a POT 100 at the M&G, because I ask the girls to book our rooms (I have a SO), and I want them to know they are not taking a financial risk in doing so. Most of the time it has worked out and I have ended up in the FC w / them (of course, based on the quality of our interactions at the M&G), only a few times has the planned FC trip not materialized.
There are some costs of business in the sugar world, it is best to come to terms w / that fact that sometimes, the worm get the bird.
Yeah, I walked out and went straight to my car and left, I didn't leave the key card behind or anything other valuables. The hotel is in the same direction as my commute to work so I stopped by there this morning on my way in just to double check that she didn't smash the tv or anything. Everything was fine.
Man Dimples, that sucks! Especially cause she was hot. LOL When I'm in that situation, I offer half upfront and the rest later. That always works for me. I've been following your lead for years, I know you're a seasoned veteran so I'm sure your instincts were right.
Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.
So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool...
Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k....
I have had this type of experience at least 7 times in my rookie days, and guess what, none of them ended pleasantly. You did what I initially wished I had the balls to do. The moment they walk win with a business-like attitude and / or demanding money instantly, it will most likely be a shit show. Thankfully, that's in the past. Nowadays, I am more firm in how I want things to be done. Any little deviation and I am out. But I would be terrified of leaving a woman like that in that room since she could possibly damage it out of anger.
This one was on SA, but blocked her, was sweet and a very good fuck. But started asking money and the when I ignored her, she started blackmailing. Just blocked her everywhere.
Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.
So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool. But as soon as she gets in the room she's just super awkward. Over the years I've been told dozens of times by gals when they meet me I'm very disarming, very easy to talk to. I like to make small talk for a while, get to know one another so I start to try with her. Ask where she's from, what she does for work. Immediately within two minutes she completely changes the subject, just straight to the point and asks if she can change my mind about not using condoms? I'm like nope, that's what was agreed to so that's the deal. If you're not comfortable I totally understand, and you're more than welcome to leave. So right off the bat she's making things awkward. She then says ok fine, can you pay me now? I said no, I'd prefer to take care of that when we're done. She says well I'm not going anywhere, can we just do it now? I'd be more comfortable if we took care of it now. Again I said no I'm not comfortable with that, but once again if you've got a problem with it you're welcome to leave. She says well can you at least set the cash out so I can see it? At this point I know this whole situation is fucked but I'm still holding out hope because she's pretty hot and I'd really like to continue with our original plans so I said you never told me you wanted cash, I'd prefer to cash app you when we're done. She said she doesn't have cash app, so I said ok, well I didn't stop to get cash so I'll have to go to the ATM downstairs. Is that what you want me to do? Go all the way downstairs now, or can we just take care of it when we're done? She said yes I'd like you to go get the cash. So I grabbed my phone, acted like I was going to get the cash and just went out to my car left. I'm 99% sure based on all her sketchy behavior from circling the parking lot for 10 minutes, to taking forever to actually get to the room to the awkwardness once she was in the room that something was up. It was either going to be a cash and dash, or at best I'd get one nut and she'd immediately come up with some bullshit excuse 10 minutes later that she'd have to leave. So I chalked it up to a waste of money on the room and cut my losses there.
But regardless, the whole vibe was fucked once she was so adamant about me paying her upfront. And tbh anytime I've had a chick in the past ask for it upfront and I've unwillingly agreed it's never a good experience because now they've lost any incentive to stay for however long you agreed to or to live up to their end of the deal. Hasn't happened often but when it does I always end up feeling shorted. So does anyone have some good advice on how to handle the situation when they ask to be paid upfront but to still not come off sounding like a complete dick and ruin the vibe? Because I'll be honest, idk how to handle that situation with any grace and still stick to my guns.
Damn, sounds like you dodged a bullet. Could have been a cash and dash or an ambush from some associates of hers. Best case scenario is that she is a virgin / brand new to this and was extremely awkward, but that's unlikely. Anyway, I'm happy you went along with your spidey senses and GTFO.
My only question, did you pay for the room in cash or card? I can only imagine the damage a scorned woman could do to a hotel room after being left like that. Hope your credit card wasn't on file.
If I were in such a situation, I would try to calm things in this way. I would say offer to give her 100 upfront, to 'show my goodwill'. I have on multiple occasions given a POT 100 at the M&G, because I ask the girls to book our rooms (I have a SO), and I want them to know they are not taking a financial risk in doing so. Most of the time it has worked out and I have ended up in the FC w / them (of course, based on the quality of our interactions at the M&G), only a few times has the planned FC trip not materialized.
There are some costs of business in the sugar world, it is best to come to terms w / that fact that sometimes, the worm get the bird.
Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.
So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool. But as soon as she gets in the room she's just super awkward. Over the years I've been told dozens of times by gals when they meet me I'm very disarming, very easy to talk to. I like to make small talk for a while, get to know one another so I start to try with her. Ask where she's from, what she does for work. Immediately within two minutes she completely changes the subject, just straight to the point and asks if she can change my mind about not using condoms? I'm like nope, that's what was agreed to so that's the deal. If you're not comfortable I totally understand, and you're more than welcome to leave. So right off the bat she's making things awkward. She then says ok fine, can you pay me now? I said no, I'd prefer to take care of that when we're done. She says well I'm not going anywhere, can we just do it now? I'd be more comfortable if we took care of it now. Again I said no I'm not comfortable with that, but once again if you've got a problem with it you're welcome to leave. She says well can you at least set the cash out so I can see it? At this point I know this whole situation is fucked but I'm still holding out hope because she's pretty hot and I'd really like to continue with our original plans so I said you never told me you wanted cash, I'd prefer to cash app you when we're done. She said she doesn't have cash app, so I said ok, well I didn't stop to get cash so I'll have to go to the ATM downstairs. Is that what you want me to do? Go all the way downstairs now, or can we just take care of it when we're done? She said yes I'd like you to go get the cash. So I grabbed my phone, acted like I was going to get the cash and just went out to my car left. I'm 99% sure based on all her sketchy behavior from circling the parking lot for 10 minutes, to taking forever to actually get to the room to the awkwardness once she was in the room that something was up. It was either going to be a cash and dash, or at best I'd get one nut and she'd immediately come up with some bullshit excuse 10 minutes later that she'd have to leave. So I chalked it up to a waste of money on the room and cut my losses there.
But regardless, the whole vibe was fucked once she was so adamant about me paying her upfront. And tbh anytime I've had a chick in the past ask for it upfront and I've unwillingly agreed it's never a good experience because now they've lost any incentive to stay for however long you agreed to or to live up to their end of the deal. Hasn't happened often but when it does I always end up feeling shorted. So does anyone have some good advice on how to handle the situation when they ask to be paid upfront but to still not come off sounding like a complete dick and ruin the vibe? Because I'll be honest, idk how to handle that situation with any grace and still stick to my guns.
She's been on for 2 years and maybe had a previous profile. Searched, but no reports. Spoke to her a couple of weeks ago and got the high volume vibes. Any intel?
Similar experiences as many others. She is all sorts of flashing red warning lights. I like a little crazy so I dipped my toe a little deeper than others. Did not go back.
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