Rants and Raves plus Stupid Shit

[Loki Pk]

The things some of you like and perform with all willing providers, such as lfk / dfk, DATY, BBBJ, greek, etc. BLOWS MY MIND. I can't get beyond the VERY REAL std risk of this hobby. Providers have ZERO incentive to tell us if they have an std. (And vice-versa, so these girls who have no rules are always at risk to become a "sexual zombie" from a random john and then spread it to us regular johns.)

I wish I could delude myself to enjoy DATY / dfk, but I long ago gave those activities except for the very rare provider. I just can never get beyond that what-the-fuck-did-I-just-do feeling afterwards if I play it risky

Been Away on vacation so I have been out of the loop.

I am not attacking your position. Merely stating my own opinion and that of some others, I'm sure.

Risk? Yes of course there is risk associated with each and every one of those activities. The only thing is, you risk that each and every day with a girl you pick up in a bar or at the beach or at school. Seriously, you play Russian roulette with anyone you have relations with unless you are in a REAL monogamous relationship. You may be, but is your S. O. ? How do you know she isn't blowing her favorite bartender BB? We all HOPE thats not the case, but can you REALLY be sure?

I find that kissing is very much not a 'high' level activity regarding disease, but DATY certainly can be. But for me I never dine the first time. I usually see a girl 2-3 times before I stick my tongue in for a taste. I have never contracted an STD in the years I have been active in this hobby. I consider myself quite lucky to be sure. But BBBJ? Unless she has open sores in her mouth or on her lips the risk of transmission to you / me is as low as kissing. Much more risky for her if you are infected and pop in her mouth. But the F to M risk is relatively low.

As for BBFS or BB Greek? No way! I find that to be a serious risk that I would never take. Especially the Anal. Too mush risk of blood exposure and that is just insane. But to each his own. If I discover a girl I see has been BBFS or BB anal, chances are I won't see her for any service. Which puts the whole idea of transparency in jeopardy. If a girl knows she will lose biz she has more incentive NOT to tell.

So risk is a relative term to each individual. You could be at risk if a girl is blowing you and tongues your balls and shaft below the cover. So how does that cover help you sleep at night when you look at the dirty details of service. The best way to stay that safe is to find another hobby. OR learn to internalize the guilt, shame and worry associated with these activites. AND see trusted providers instead of traveling BP beauties. Also, develop a good relationship with your Doctor and get checked often.

Like the NYS lottery,"HEY, you never know!"

Peace.

PK

[Phaeque]

Are fucking up my PayDar!

After decades of NYC hunting, my eye is nigh-hawk trained to hone in on the slow-moving, the loitering, the poor, the huddles masses. You get the point.

So now, there's all these pseudo-loitering "figures" messing with my echo-location pings (to flagrantly mix my wildlife metaphor)!

Luckily, I've not yet been arrested for jerking off on on of 'them!

[Rdavis1972]

The things some of you like and perform with all willing providers, such as lfk / dfk, DATY, BBBJ, greek, etc. BLOWS MY MIND. I can't get beyond the VERY REAL std risk of this hobby. Providers have ZERO incentive to tell us if they have an std. (And vice-versa, so these girls who have no rules are always at risk to become a "sexual zombie" from a random john and then spread it to us regular johns.)

I wish I could delude myself to enjoy DATY / dfk, but I long ago gave those activities except for the very rare provider. I just can never get beyond that what-the-fuck-did-I-just-do feeling afterwards if I play it risky.

You guys are about to find out why we have rules prohibiting discussing this issue. I let this post go because it's in R&R's.

Flame on,

A2

I agree with everything you said, except the preaching part. It's not for me, but to each their own. I just hope I never have a condom blowout. If that happens you're right I the mix with all the risk takers. It's a risky business, we should all know that by now.

[Member #4407]

The things some of you like and perform with all willing providers, such as lfk / dfk, DATY, BBBJ, greek, etc. BLOWS MY MIND. I can't get beyond the VERY REAL std risk of this hobby. Providers have ZERO incentive to tell us if they have an std. (And vice-versa, so these girls who have no rules are always at risk to become a "sexual zombie" from a random john and then spread it to us regular johns.)

I wish I could delude myself to enjoy DATY / dfk, but I long ago gave those activities except for the very rare provider. I just can never get beyond that what-the-fuck-did-I-just-do feeling afterwards if I play it risky.

You guys are about to find out why we have rules prohibiting discussing this issue. I let this post go because it's in R&R's.

Flame on,

A2

[Admin2]

The only reason I (not speaking for others) feel the need to engage certain individuals is to protect MY sources of outlet. If some douchebag trashes a decent provider that I see, or others here see and know, it effects their business. Which, in turn, effects my ability to see them. Over the years I have seen many issues arise with or about a girl that then turns into a big shit storm and eventually she leaves the business or our area. Now, I have to go and find a relaible provider to replace her. Not as easy to do in upstate NY as other places. Such as BA.

Good point I hadn't thought about that. Living in a place where the hobby is legal does tend to make one blind to the problems of the brothers elsewhere.

Also, since it is a crowdsourced forum there should be a balance between input and critical review of that input. Without that degree of scrutiny anybody can say anything they want and it may be taken as true or accurate. This means anyone with a vendetta or an axe to grind could come to the forum and throw wild accusations around and ruin a girl's reputation as a good provider. When the other 'tenured' or senior members step up and say ' no thats not true, or has NEVER been my experience', the ability to form your own opinon on who to see is enhanced.

I'm no white knight, but I feel a degree of critcal review or banter is necessary for good, lively discussion. That doesn't mean we get to slam each and every statement by every poster. But it does allow for more information to be revealed over the course of the discussion.

Exactly, A2 has never and will never throw a flag for critical review or good, lively discussion. You don't even need a "Rants and Raves" section for that. Flags start flying at the "What they hell are you saying" or "you're a fucking liar" point. It's like Jax says in the FAQ "It's hard to define but I know it when I see it."

Look at it from a member standpoint. How many members were posting here in 2007? In 2010? In the last 12 months the traffic and new members has more than tripled! I know you have been her longer than me, but I have been here in the Albany forum since 2003/2004 and I lasted through some dark days. Back when it was me and maybe 3 others posting and even then it may have been only once or twice a month.

We thank all of you for keeping this forum alive then.

Have a great fucking week everybody! Wishing y'all a happy 4th of July.

Our sentiments from here at USASG as well,

A2

[Loki Pk]

Why do you feel the need to "correct" other peoples "bad" information. This is a crowd sourced model. 10 guys say,"everything covered," 1 guy says "she gave me BB Anal." What do you think happened? Guys that come on here that are douchebags and post bad information should be ignored Not engaged. Engaging a troll is giving them EXACTLY what they are looking for. What they hate is to be ignored. Each and every time you pound your keyboard it's like you are jerking them off. Click their name and put them on your ignore list and you will never see them again. If somebody is STUPID enough to read one report and make a decision based on that, well that's a painful lesson we all had to learn.

If you just HAVE to give them the BBBJ they are so desperately looking for by engaging them then click on "Reply With Quote" then when the dialog box comes up copy everything INCLUDING the Quote=XXXX; 12345678 then back out, come here, and start with a new post and copy that in. I haven't checked that but it should work. Of course it probably won't result in the argument that you are looking for (I'm being nice but truth is truth) because they won't know to check here for your cutting remarks.

As far as what this thread should be, I'm checking it, as guys express their wishes I'll figure it out.

A2

The only reason I (not speaking for others) feel the need to engage certain individuals is to protect MY sources of outlet. If some douchebag trashes a decent provider that I see, or others here see and know, it effects their business. Which, in turn, effects my ability to see them. Over the years I have seen many issues arise with or about a girl that then turns into a big shit storm and eventually she leaves the business or our area. Now, I have to go and find a relaible provider to replace her. Not as easy to do in upstate NY as other places. Such as BA.

Also, since it is a crowdsourced forum there should be a balance between input and critical review of that input. Without that degree of scrutiny anybody can say anything they want and it may be taken as true or accurate. This means anyone with a vendetta or an axe to grind could come to the forum and throw wild accusations around and ruin a girl's reputation as a good provider. When the other 'tenured' or senior members step up and say ' no thats not true, or has NEVER been my experience', the ability to form your own opinon on who to see is enhanced.

I'm no white knight, but I feel a degree of critcal review or banter is necessary for good, lively discussion. That doesn't mean we get to slam each and every statement by every poster. But it does allow for more information to be revealed over the course of the discussion. Just recently it went down like that regarding a girl in Troy named Ryan. Everyone had seen her posts, yet nobody ever reported seeing her. I busted a newb's balls over asking for her info in his first and only post. 2 days and 15 posts later somebody came forward and reported he HAD seen her and she WAS reliable and worth seeing. If that didn't fly that way, we never would have known about her.

Look at it from a member standpoint. How many members were posting here in 2007? In 2010? In the last 12 months the traffic and new members has more than tripled! I know you have been her longer than me, but I have been here in the Albany forum since 2003/2004 and I lasted through some dark days. Back when it was me and maybe 3 others posting and even then it may have been only once or twice a month. Over the last 9-10 years we have developed a strong community and are getting more and more good information. Much more so in the recent years. That is a good thing, isn't it? Point is, DRAMA sells. People don't come back for boring, robotic, slow interaction. Guys come back to read exciting reports and grab good information, so they can live vicariously. So they can learn how the vets do it, so they can do it to. Learning what NOT to do is just as important as what TO do. By calling bullshit when I see it, I feel it can benefit everybody so we can be safe and have a good time. Unfortunately, every now and then the trolls turn up and shit in the bathwater. That sucks, but can have some entertainment value as well. It is MORE than obvious that I enjoy conflict and spirited debate, I can't deny that. But I try to present an intelligent and fair response. I don't call people names(usually ) and engage in personal attacks, I typically only question motives and facts and if I am proven wrong I say 'I'm wrong' and apologize.

Sorry for the long response, but you asked. While I'm on it, a perfect example of a post I would normally go after is this "Alison I see her every day."

My normal response would be " Gee thanks for that!" " Now could you tell us 'when' or 'how' you see her and what she charges? And what her service and appearance is like since she jumped from SW to BP beauty?"

Why would I do that? Because I used to see her for 30-70 a pop and now she is on BP for 150-200. I am genuinely interested in more info on her, now it has been going on 2- 3 days and that is going to 'die in committee'. So I believe a certain amount of banter helps drive traffic and interest in the forums. I'm not saying let the trolls have at it. I'm just sayin sometimes its not a bad thing to 'let the boys be boys'.

Have a great fucking week everybody! I may be out of communication for a few days so wishing why'all a happy 4th of July.

Peace.

PK

[Admin2]

Why do you feel the need to "correct" other peoples "bad" information. This is a crowd sourced model. 10 guys say,"everything covered," 1 guy says "she gave me BB Anal." What do you think happened? Guys that come on here that are douchebags and post bad information should be ignored Not engaged. Engaging a troll is giving them EXACTLY what they are looking for. What they hate is to be ignored. Each and every time you pound your keyboard it's like you are jerking them off. Click their name and put them on your ignore list and you will never see them again. If somebody is STUPID enough to read one report and make a decision based on that, well that's a painful lesson we all had to learn.

If you just HAVE to give them the BBBJ they are so desperately looking for by engaging them then click on "Reply With Quote" then when the dialog box comes up copy everything INCLUDING the Quote=XXXX; 12345678 then back out, come here, and start with a new post and copy that in. I haven't checked that but it should work. Of course it probably won't result in the argument that you are looking for (I'm being nice but truth is truth) because they won't know to check here for your cutting remarks.

As far as what this thread should be, I'm checking it, as guys express their wishes I'll figure it out.

A2

I have a few questions. Normally I would ask via PM. But for the benefit of ALL forum members I shall do so here.

1. What if somebody posts in the General thread, a totally inaccurate or off the wall statement about a provider or a situation. Do we respond here? Or simply say 'lets move this discussion to R&R' and take it up here?

What would be an acceptable way to 'jump' the topic to this thread?

2. Regarding responses to posts in the other threads, how far can we go, or what is allowed, regarding bad information. That is to say, there is a difference in calling or inferring somebody is a douche as opposed to saying 'no that is incorrect'. Opinion vs. Facts.

3."Talk among yourselves, if you just want this to be a place you can sound off about shit that pisses you off while retaining the "no calling other members out" sort of rules, that's fine with me as well. If you do choose to make this a free fire zone then I will moderate all the other review threads with a much heavier hand.". How do we make that choice? A Poll? Or short probationary period untill we work through the details?

Finally, as you know I am TRYING to stay on Jacksons good side and not piss you guys off. So with that in mind, where do we draw the line between intelligent reponse with solid info and being overly abrasive?

Thanks.

Peace.

PK

[Loki Pk]

I have a few questions. Normally I would ask via PM. But for the benefit of ALL forum members I shall do so here.

1. What if somebody posts in the General thread, a totally inaccurate or off the wall statement about a provider or a situation. Do we respond here? Or simply say 'lets move this discussion to R&R' and take it up here?

What would be an acceptable way to 'jump' the topic to this thread?

2. Regarding responses to posts in the other threads, how far can we go, or what is allowed, regarding bad information. That is to say, there is a difference in calling or inferring somebody is a douche as opposed to saying 'no that is incorrect'. Opinion vs. Facts.

3."Talk among yourselves, if you just want this to be a place you can sound off about shit that pisses you off while retaining the "no calling other members out" sort of rules, that's fine with me as well. If you do choose to make this a free fire zone then I will moderate all the other review threads with a much heavier hand." ----.how do we make that choice? a Poll? Or short probationary period untill we work through the details?

Finally, as you know I am TRYING to stay on Jacksons good side and not piss you guys off so with that in mind, where do we draw the line between intelligent reponse with solid info and being overly abrasive?

Thanks.

Peace.

PK

[Admin2]

this is how the octagon works in cincy. in this thread and only this thread i'll relax some of the rules regarding argumentative behavior. you can't out somebody, you can't, as always, post about **** stuff, you can't threaten people, what you can do is call somebody a douchebag or asshole and i'll let it go. hell i'll even let the girls speak freely in here if you want.

the price for a thread like that is you can't do any of that stuff in the review threads anymore. none, nada, zip. no complaining about what people post, no calling guys liars, no white knighting, all that stuff would happen here.

talk among yourselves, if you just want this to be a place you can sound off about shit that pisses you off while retaining the "no calling other members out" sort of rules, that's fine with me as well. if you do choose to make this a free fire zone then i will moderate all the other review threads with a much heavier hand.

a2

[Upforfunn27]

Right On!

'So, did ya ever notice". The number of used condoms or wrappers in the basket on your way out of an appointment? I noticed today, more than I care to admit I counted! Thats fucked up! Just sayin.

Peace.

PK

And worse the amount of condoms, was size of the one hanging over the side. I thought it was pantyhose. Damn! I'm so white.

[Levi10]

Not at all for me but to each his own I guess. Dude that's some wicked shit! Enjoy and let the good times roll. Like a snowball headed down hill!

Quail. Your shit amazes me!

L10.

BTW. Love the new R & R forum thread!

[MekennaUp]

How fucking awesome is this? I will now become a much more active member. Love it!

Speaking of condoms, I once saw a young girl that emptied purse on bed, and about 87 rubbers came out. All different brand, sizes, colors, and flavors!

[Loki Pk]

. That being said it would be nice to have a place to talk about items not directly related to finding pussy without jamming up the threads that are there for specifically that purpose. So here we go.

Right On!

'So, did ya ever notice". The number of used condoms or wrappers in the basket on your way out of an appointment? I noticed today, more than I care to admit I counted! Thats fucked up! Just sayin.

Peace.

PK

[Rdavis1972]

After Loki PK suggested the idea in the Backpage thread, I took a look at the Cincinnati forum to see what this Rant and Raves thread was that he was talking about. Basically a member created a thread in their forum dedicated to allowing people to sound off on anything and everything. I don't necessarily think we need a special place to tear people down and argue. I have a feeling if that's what this turns into the admins are still going to hand out the requisite smack downs and perhaps even kill the thread. That being said it would be nice to have a place to talk about items not directly related to finding pussy without jamming up the threads that are there for specifically that purpose. So here we go.

[Admin]

Thread Starter