The Sugar World

[ShoeBridge]

I've been using Seeking for a while, and didn't think to check that on this site until recently. Thanks for the info (Mr Mister. I'll drop Cartier a line, and Tjs8488 - I tried the chunky one you said, and yes she's good, but I think she's getting even heavier quickly). I block women I've made contact with (makes it harder for them to report me) so I don't have url's to hand for specific girls. I'll start saving those. That said, I've messaged a ton, and met 15+ so can share some of my data to start.

$500 seems the most solid / safe starting ppm for someone I like.

$400 for someone I just want to smash.

$700 for a hottie who probably wants $1 k, and I'm reaching.

Some are offended by $500, and I've now seen a range from $400-$3 k, with quite a few being $1 k and literally only two above that at $2 k and $3 k.

So there's probably a chunk at $300-500, another few trying to push $700's, a bunch dead set on $1 k and a few GPS girls who occasionally command over $1 k. Even the $3 k girl offered to meet for $1 k but a shorter time (probably an hour) - I passed.

Younger, more "hood" looking girls I offer $500 and most say yes to a traditional sugar arrangement.

Girls I just want to smash I'll offer $400 and sometimes it works. I've never tried $300, but I will having seen it here. This is usually: drink in a bar, upstairs to the hotel room.

For a super hot girl I want to actually GFE / Sugar I occasionally offer $700 (and dinner) and the ones that want $1 k are not offended by it, so some haggling can occur.

Dates then range in time from:

$400-500 - One time girls. M&G (30-60 minutes, drinks), Hotel Room (2 hours, 2 pops).

$500-700 - Sugar girls. Coffee M&G platonic, Second is the date. Dinner (60-90 minutes), Hotel (2-3 hours, 2 pops).

On a price per pop, or price per hour I don't mind paying more as a headline figure. I like to take my time, and prefer sex the 2nd or 3rd time with someone vs just 1 night stands. Usually I'm expecting a lot of GFE, DFK, BBBJ, CFS. With some regulars or some that I know I'll only see once I'm pushing for BBFS, CIM, CIP. Rimming, ball sucking and anal are a plus, but much less common. And usually as long as it really feels GFE I don't care as much.

[FourSeasons2]

I think asking the girl her ppm rate is the wrong way to go about this, especially an SA girl.

You're supposed to be the Man. Tell her upfront what you're offering and how long you want them to stay with you. They can say yes, no, or counter.

I'm never paying 500 for a girl. It's not worth it. I'd rather jerk off and use the 500 to buy things for myself.

Good advise! I had had few dates fall through and thought. Well no loss, I saved all the money so I can now just use it for something else I want.

That being said, I met a really hott SB I was trying to have fun with (a couple years ago). We met for lunch (I bought her meal but did not give her any extra $). She told me she needed $500, would play for a couple hrs and was open to BBBJ with swallow, condom for FS, no greek. At that time I told her no because I was paying $250-300 for dates. I still know her and chat her up sometimes about playing for the $500 but she now has a regular job and has gotten out of the SB game. Essentially I lost my opportunity with her and regret it.

[Mister Mr]

I've never gotten a single girl from anywhere in the US, even bumfuck Greenville SC, to agree to 300 for a dinner and fuck. The lowest I've ever paid is 500. This is due to three reasons:

Firstly, I'm 300 pounds and Asian, so the girls know the only thing that isn't phat is my cock.

Secondly, I only hit up Caucasian / white Latina girls age 18-30 that have bodies like Kendal Jenner. No "average" body 41 yo for me.

Thirdly, I don't pay for a 1 hour bedroom date with CFS. If I wanted that, I'd hit up Tryst. I pay for dinner dates where I can actually talk to someone that hopefully has a brain and can hold a conversation. I do this because it lets me showcase my humor and hopefully make up a little bit for my looks, get some drinks in them to ease their nerves, and also to gauge how much I want to fuck them. I've had girls show up and let them walk after dinner cause they weren't my type in person. Sometimes I take care of their Uber if they've been very nice and a pleasure to talk to, other times I tell them to get lost if they've been entitled c you and t s the entire time. Once we get to the bedroom, I only hit raw. Bare sex has spoiled me, I can't nut or even keep it up with a condom anymore. If you want tips on STD / pregnancy prevention, let me know. No, my methods aren't 100% fool proof, but neither is a condom. Multiple hours, multiple rounds with cuddling in between.

My Vegas PPM's range from 500 to 2 k. The higher the amount, the hotter they have to be, the longer they have to stay, and the better they have to perform in bed. The 2 k girl is a tatted OF star with DD's and a BBL. I don't actually like the BBL but it's whatever, still very hot. Every date, I go balls deep in her ass, nut in whatever hole I want, and she stays from 6 PM dinner until I'm literally falling asleep, usually 12-1 AM. She's also hilarious and responds promptly to texts, never leaves me on read. Basically a kinky girlfriend without the commitment. Hopefully one day I can get a referral to some of the hot girls she makes OF content with, but still waiting to feel out that vibe.

Your results may vary. If you're a fit white or black dude and have game, I'm sure you could knock a few hundred off my PPM rates. I've heard of dudes getting a girl to come over for a $300 date and they end up sleeping the night, give them a nice protein shake in the morning. Best of luck.

I have been lucky enough to see multiple girls for $2-300 who stay the night and all I did prior was coffee or dessert. However, most girls are asking $500-$1500. A lot of them want $200-$400 just to show up to dinner. I refuse to do that. It's really just a numbers game. Hit up as many as you're interested in and one of them will stick.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've never gotten a single girl from anywhere in the US, even bumfuck Greenville SC, to agree to 300 for a dinner and fuck. The lowest I've ever paid is 500. This is due to three reasons:

Great report, love to see some more like this.

[Mcsylv]

I've never gotten a single girl from anywhere in the US, even bumfuck Greenville SC, to agree to 300 for a dinner and fuck. The lowest I've ever paid is 500. This is due to three reasons:

Firstly, I'm 300 pounds and Asian, so the girls know the only thing that isn't phat is my cock.

Secondly, I only hit up Caucasian / white Latina girls age 18-30 that have bodies like Kendal Jenner. No "average" body 41 yo for me.

Thirdly, I don't pay for a 1 hour bedroom date with CFS. If I wanted that, I'd hit up Tryst. I pay for dinner dates where I can actually talk to someone that hopefully has a brain and can hold a conversation. I do this because it lets me showcase my humor and hopefully make up a little bit for my looks, get some drinks in them to ease their nerves, and also to gauge how much I want to fuck them. I've had girls show up and let them walk after dinner cause they weren't my type in person. Sometimes I take care of their Uber if they've been very nice and a pleasure to talk to, other times I tell them to get lost if they've been entitled c you and t s the entire time. Once we get to the bedroom, I only hit raw. Bare sex has spoiled me, I can't nut or even keep it up with a condom anymore. If you want tips on STD / pregnancy prevention, let me know. No, my methods aren't 100% fool proof, but neither is a condom. Multiple hours, multiple rounds with cuddling in between.

My Vegas PPM's range from 500 to 2 k. The higher the amount, the hotter they have to be, the longer they have to stay, and the better they have to perform in bed. The 2 k girl is a tatted OF star with DD's and a BBL. I don't actually like the BBL but it's whatever, still very hot. Every date, I go balls deep in her ass, nut in whatever hole I want, and she stays from 6 PM dinner until I'm literally falling asleep, usually 12-1 AM. She's also hilarious and responds promptly to texts, never leaves me on read. Basically a kinky girlfriend without the commitment. Hopefully one day I can get a referral to some of the hot girls she makes OF content with, but still waiting to feel out that vibe.

Your results may vary. If you're a fit white or black dude and have game, I'm sure you could knock a few hundred off my PPM rates. I've heard of dudes getting a girl to come over for a $300 date and they end up sleeping the night, give them a nice protein shake in the morning. Best of luck.

[HollywoodGuy]

I've done this method before, chatting up the girl, then slowly get to the part where you tell her what you're looking for, etc. Just doesn't work for me (anymore) I felt this method you're dumping a lot of time into it.

These girls are basically all the same. Create some copy and paste information / replies. No time wasted at all. The Q & A is always the same. I have like maybe 5 or 6 pat explanations and replies I have been using for 15 years. The game is the same, only the price has changed. Sadly.

[WhiteSun777]

I think asking the girl her ppm rate is the wrong way to go about this, especially an SA girl.

You're supposed to be the Man. Tell her upfront what you're offering and how long you want them to stay with you. They can say yes, no, or counter.

If you don't establish some sort of rapport first and just ask for her rate she's going to give you a high number. If she says a thousand, you're going to feel dumb countering with 300, so just tell her from the start that you normally do 300 ppm.

I'm never paying 500 for a girl. It's not worth it. I'd rather jerk off and use the 500 to buy things for myself.

I've done this method before, chatting up the girl, then slowly get to the part where you tell her what you're looking for, etc. Just doesn't work for me (anymore) I felt this method you're dumping a lot of time into it.

My "I'm NOT a man" method is straight up ask her what her ppm is. Some get mad and tells me they don't do ppm, fine, I move on. Some will give me a # (via text) and some just ignore me. That's fine. And I won't feel DUMB if she tells me 1 k. I just tell her "Oh I'll let you know" which is never.

So thank you for your input but I'll keep on doing how I'm doing it now. And agreed, you can buy a LOT of nice things for yourself and save a lot of $$$ by whacking off. As long as you're happy.

[HollywoodGuy]

I think asking the girl her ppm rate is the wrong way to go about this, especially an SA girl.

You're supposed to be the Man. Tell her upfront what you're offering and how long you want them to stay with you. They can say yes, no, or counter.

If you don't establish some sort of rapport first and just ask for her rate she's going to give you a high number. If she says a thousand, you're going to feel dumb countering with 300, so just tell her from the start that you normally do 300 ppm.

I'm never paying 500 for a girl. It's not worth it. I'd rather jerk off and use the 500 to buy things for myself.

This is my MO 90% of the time.

1 - establish rapport.

2 - let her know you are an experienced sd.

3 - let her know some guys over pay but you don't.

4 - give her an idea of your allowance amount and the time expected of her.

Wait for response.

5 - give her the exact amount.

[Roy Munson]

I always ask what their ppm rate is first. Most will reply back mostly I get 500 ppm to one that wanted 1 k. I just move on if the price is too high. I'm sure you can negotiate but who has time for that? A few will ask what you can offer, and I hate that because they're trying to see how deep your pocket is. I wouldn't go too low, just offer something you're comfortable with. Imo 500 ppm is solid and most will agree to that.

I think asking the girl her ppm rate is the wrong way to go about this, especially an SA girl.

You're supposed to be the Man. Tell her upfront what you're offering and how long you want them to stay with you. They can say yes, no, or counter.

If you don't establish some sort of rapport first and just ask for her rate she's going to give you a high number. If she says a thousand, you're going to feel dumb countering with 300, so just tell her from the start that you normally do 300 ppm.

I'm never paying 500 for a girl. It's not worth it. I'd rather jerk off and use the 500 to buy things for myself.

[WhiteSun777]

So, I'm passing through your city this week. I've found it ridiculously easy to gather numbers and start conversations with amazingly attractive women. I don't want to over / under offer. Coming from the Midwest, ppm leans 2-500. The Vegas girls are all over the place, from 400-2 k. What is the going rate?

Thanks.

Welcome and agreed. I always ask what their ppm rate is first. Most will reply back mostly I get 500 ppm to one that wanted 1 k. I just move on if the price is too high. I'm sure you can negotiate but who has time for that? A few will ask what you can offer, and I hate that because they're trying to see how deep your pocket is. I wouldn't go too low, just offer something you're comfortable with. Imo 500 ppm is solid and most will agree to that. Now the other issue I have is the time spent. I've been with one that's only an hour to entire night so YMMV Good luck!

[Number614]

So, I'm passing through your city this week. I've found it ridiculously easy to gather numbers and start conversations with amazingly attractive women. I don't want to over / under offer. Coming from the Midwest, ppm leans 2-500. The Vegas girls are all over the place, from 400-2 k. What is the going rate?

Thanks.

[Roy Munson]

Chloe776.

39 yo, White, wants 500 ppm for several hours, No Bare, friendly over text and responsive, Looks-wise nothing special.

I did not see her, but if any contributing seniors on this forum want her number PM me.

[Mister Mr]

Anyone seen this girl?

I saw her a few months ago. She's real. Came in with and didn't want to take off her sunglasses, but did take them off briefly to show me her full face. Her ankles seemed swollen. Which was a turn off for me, but still went through with it. She seemed eager to please, but just not for me, so I didn't repeat. Asked 5.

[Casper15]

I reached out to her and set up a date but nothing came from it. But I recently found out that a fellow monger friend has met with her a few times successfully so we set up another date for a few days from now and I'll report back of we meet up.

Please do, I'm interested in if she's legit but she's been flaky with me as well. Probably just hard to get her pinned down to any amount of predictable schedule.

[Icarus486]

Anyone seen this girl?

I reached out to her and set up a date but nothing came from it. But I recently found out that a fellow monger friend has met with her a few times successfully so we set up another date for a few days from now and I'll report back of we meet up.