Sugar Babies / Arrangements

[Waerqw]

So, update with weird twist.

I noticed something or someone was "updating" my profile every time I tried to change it. First, they removed any "numbers" from my profile. Understandable. I updated it again with no numbers, within one hour, another part of my "About" was deleted, with some of the text there completely changed. I reached out to the last real person I found on the site and asked if they could help me. She agreed. She sent me a screenshot of what my profile looked like, and to my surprise, SHE WAS NOT EVEN ON SECRET BENEFITS, she was on a site called "Luxury Date".

This means that there are multiple websites all connected with one another.

The icing on the cake is that I got "shadowbanned" in this process. I was messaging here on there, but somehow she quit responding to me. I know she didn't block me, because access to her secret photos was still there (when you get blocked, it removes your access to the photos, but you can still see and message the SB she just won't receive your messages). I texted her since I had her number from earlier in the conversation, and she told me she never received any messages from me after her last message to me, so SHE THOUGHT I GHOSTED HER!

Yep. I'm out. Sticking to Seeking for sure.

I've also had my suspicions of SB. I had another hookup over the holidays and just had a meet and greet through it so it's been working, but it's certainly not fast. I'm not on seekingarrangement anymore so I can't really compare success across sites.

I'm not sure how many sites are linked together in the "SecretBenefits" system, but that's another to add to the list. Sugardaddy.com, secretbenefits, and now luxury date. I'm suspicious of message screening, because 90% of the time I read a message and reply, I'll get the photo access request / permission notification but no further messages. I'm not sure if they straight up shadowbanned you or are just screening messages, but that's incredibly shady of them. TBF, I've had similar issues on seekingarrangement, but overall the site felt less scammy.

For anyone that does decide to use SecretBenefits, here's the strategy to avoid the site sucking your credits dry.

Avoid any upselling from the site- read notifications, message boosting, any "unlocks" outside of baseline messaging. None of these make any meaningful difference in your reply / success rate, the only thing that's potentially useful is secret photos if they don't have many public photos. Think of it this way- what do read notifications actually tell you? If they respond, you're having a conversation. If they leave you on read or don't open your message, nothing really changes- you either message them until they respond or you give up. Secret photos are basically a scam if they have public photos up- they aren't going to be nudes. I'm not 100% sure on message boosting, but I honestly don't think it does anything since it hasn't had any affect on my successes / failures (my 4 successes were unboosted).

SB added even more upsell bullshit with the "questions" and "top admirer". Just ignore them, there's no reason to spend more than 10 credits to message.

Also, the "verified" tag doesn't really mean much imo. 3/4 of my successes were from "unverified" profiles. The more reliable way to spot a bot / fake is to read their profile and look at their pics. Remember, we live in Hawaii. More than likely a real girl here is going to have at least 1 picture taken on a beach here with a distinctive landmark like chinaman's hat or the mokuluas. Their profiles are also probably going to be more than 1 or 2 sentences.

[BotoMoco]

Hi guys,

I recently resigned up to seeking.com and the site I am on is no way like the site I was on before. Even the charge was like 40 bucks a month or something. When I sign on I only get expired profiles idk WTF is going on. Any help out there?

[NerdFriday]

So, update with weird twist.

I noticed something or someone was "updating" my profile every time I tried to change it. First, they removed any "numbers" from my profile. Understandable. I updated it again with no numbers, within one hour, another part of my "About" was deleted, with some of the text there completely changed. I reached out to the last real person I found on the site and asked if they could help me. She agreed. She sent me a screenshot of what my profile looked like, and to my surprise, SHE WAS NOT EVEN ON SECRET BENEFITS, she was on a site called "Luxury Date".

This means that there are multiple websites all connected with one another.

The icing on the cake is that I got "shadowbanned" in this process. I was messaging here on there, but somehow she quit responding to me. I know she didn't block me, because access to her secret photos was still there (when you get blocked, it removes your access to the photos, but you can still see and message the SB she just won't receive your messages). I texted her since I had her number from earlier in the conversation, and she told me she never received any messages from me after her last message to me, so SHE THOUGHT I GHOSTED HER!

Yep. I'm out. Sticking to Seeking for sure.

[RoadRally2]

Shit!! I got to get more funds for this!!

[HotMuse69]

Great discussion by all, and tbh I think it's good that we separate SA from prostitutes. I can't agree more about the quality of young college girls, and 3 k / mo actually being really "cheap" in the grand scheme of things. A big challenge IMO is you have to be prepared to "restock" because these girls may move away if they simply can't financially stay in Hawaii.

I am currently in a golden (albeit expensive) arrangement with two UH girls, both are 21 and knockout beach body 10's. I met the first one on SA in May (after my previous great SB moved back to the mainland) when she was moving after the last school year. Nothing crazy, dinner first date to break the ice and the rest was history. A couple months ago she asks me if her best friend can also be my SB, I played hard to get but of course I eased them into a threesome, and it's been the best threesomes of my life. Before I used SA a lot to connect SBs for threesomes, but having SBs who are already friends and have great chemistry is another level. We've been having so much fun that after they briefly go home for Christmas, I'm taking them on a trip. It'll be the first time they ride first class, but I already know the payoff will be crazy, they're already stocking up on bikinis, lingeries, and sex toys.

As for allowance, I give them each 4 k a month. With dates I end up spending about 10 k a month. But between the two of them, I get action at least 4 times a week, sometimes more, depending on our schedules, and most of those being threesome. So if you want to calculate it out, it avg out to $675 for a threesome, and that's pretty cheap. These girls are young, not jaded, in their prime and very sexually willing to learn. Everything is on the table, msog, bb everything, creampie, swallow, cof, all kinds of sex toys (I made them wear those discreet vibrators out to dinner, controlled from my phone), light bondage, role play, one already enjoys Greek and we're currently training her friend. They genuinely are having the time of their lives too and say it's been really fun to explore / develop their sexuality and deepen their friendship. As for me I actually started working out harder to keep up with them and haven't been in this good shape in a decade. You could say that's pretty pricey, and it is, but to me the ROI is worth it and then some. This throuple (they taught me that term lol) is actually as exclusive as Ive been in a while, so thats saved some misc costs going out and typical dating too. And I haven’t seen an escort in forever because it’s just not even close to what I have at the moment. Plus I know all good things comes to an end, these girls are simply too hot to stay single and not get scooped up into serious relationships sooner or later.

They talked about maybe bringing in more girls or even guy friends to try a swinger party thing, so Im pretty excited for that. It sounds like theyll plan it so Ill let them drive that agenda. But in the meantime, I'm going to enjoy spoiling these hotties and being extremely spoiled by them as well.

[Berry29]

Since this site came up, I decided to make a new (completely fake) account and try it out for a week to see what's up. I bought $300 in tokens so I could send out messages.

I'm still 100% sure this site is full of scams / bots and like 99% of the people on there are not even real. The initial messages the girls send are still generic, and I still suspect that the site encourages them to just send the generic message to anyone who looks at their page. When I turned on invisible mode so they could not see I viewed their profile, I got significantly less messages.

Out of the 30 messages I sent:

0 meetups.

1 was responded to, with at least three back and forth messages.

3 were responded to, with at least one message.

15 people never logged in again for that week, despite them messaging me first, or me first messaging them.

20 messages were read, but not responded to.

My fake profile has a picture of a really good looking guy, with a really good job, and a high salary. I also browsed profiles to see what they were interested in. In every message I sent, I always told the "baby" what she would want to hear, that is, if she was into beaches, I had a small boat, if she was into luxury, I would take her shopping, if she wanted vacations, I said I travel internationally at least 4 times a year. Still, despite being the "perfect daddy" for these matches, the lack of responses clearly indicates these profiles are not real people.

Not disagreeing but would be kind of funny if you're not getting responses because they suspect your profile isn't real LOL. Maybe try it again but change it to an unattractive guy, more realistic. The guy in your scenario probably doesn't need seeking.

[NerdFriday]

Since this site came up, I decided to make a new (completely fake) account and try it out for a week to see what's up. I bought $300 in tokens so I could send out messages.

I'm still 100% sure this site is full of scams / bots and like 99% of the people on there are not even real. The initial messages the girls send are still generic, and I still suspect that the site encourages them to just send the generic message to anyone who looks at their page. When I turned on invisible mode so they could not see I viewed their profile, I got significantly less messages.

Out of the 30 messages I sent:

0 meetups.

1 was responded to, with at least three back and forth messages.

3 were responded to, with at least one message.

15 people never logged in again for that week, despite them messaging me first, or me first messaging them.

20 messages were read, but not responded to.

My fake profile has a picture of a really good looking guy, with a really good job, and a high salary. I also browsed profiles to see what they were interested in. In every message I sent, I always told the "baby" what she would want to hear, that is, if she was into beaches, I had a small boat, if she was into luxury, I would take her shopping, if she wanted vacations, I said I travel internationally at least 4 times a year. Still, despite being the "perfect daddy" for these matches, the lack of responses clearly indicates these profiles are not real people.

[TrialnError]

It sounds like you're rushing it. You can't rush these things. If you need someone "this week" who will "guarantee" some action, a sugar baby is probably not it.

There are indeed a lot of scammers, time wasters, platonic only, etc. But there are very real sugar babies out there who will be like the best casual girlfriend you've never had.

No flame again, but if $100 or $300 is a concern, then sugar dating is probably not for you. Babies are looking for some degree of consistency, because they need the money on a regular basis in most cases. Sure, there may be some that just need some quick cash to get out of a jam, but those are not most babies. I don't think any sugar baby would accept a regular allowance of less than $1 k. $1 k a mo. Is only $12 k a year, which is not really supporting them unless they're trying to get 4-5 daddies. All my arrangements have been north of $2,500 a mo. Which covers rent, car, utilities and a little bit of spending cash. Of course, there are always extras, but $2,500 a mo. Is a good baseline amount.

My current arrangement is with a college student and her total allowance excluding "gifts" is about $3,500 a mo. I've been seeing her since she moved here to start her freshman year and I'm having the time of my life. It took about a month with her before anything intimate happened. Could she have scammed? Sure. But, she also knows that not scamming is worth way more money in the long run. She gets her entire tuition paid, and then some. There are definitely real babies out there. It just takes time.

Agreed entirely with your take on sd / sb relationships.

$300 not guna do it when you get daddies out there providing allowances of $3 k a month. Stick to the mps if thats your budget

Maybe that's why some guys keep striking out, they don't have the funds for some of the sb's.

[Vajajalova]

It sounds like you're rushing it. You can't rush these things. If you need someone "this week" who will "guarantee" some action, a sugar baby is probably not it.

There are indeed a lot of scammers, time wasters, platonic only, etc. But there are very real sugar babies out there who will be like the best casual girlfriend you've never had.

No flame again, but if $100 or $300 is a concern, then sugar dating is probably not for you. Babies are looking for some degree of consistency, because they need the money on a regular basis in most cases. Sure, there may be some that just need some quick cash to get out of a jam, but those are not most babies. I don't think any sugar baby would accept a regular allowance of less than $1 k. $1 k a mo. Is only $12 k a year, which is not really supporting them unless they're trying to get 4-5 daddies. All my arrangements have been north of $2,500 a mo. Which covers rent, car, utilities and a little bit of spending cash. Of course, there are always extras, but $2,500 a mo. Is a good baseline amount.

My current arrangement is with a college student and her total allowance excluding "gifts" is about $3,500 a mo. I've been seeing her since she moved here to start her freshman year and I'm having the time of my life. It took about a month with her before anything intimate happened. Could she have scammed? Sure. But, she also knows that not scamming is worth way more money in the long run. She gets her entire tuition paid, and then some. There are definitely real babies out there. It just takes time.

Agreed entirely with your take on sd / sb relationships.

$300 not guna do it when you get daddies out there providing allowances of $3 k a month. Stick to the mps if thats your budget

[NerdFriday]

I ask again. Now I'm wasting money too. I spent some time surfing around some of these spots and all I got was a lot of coy teasing in response to my own suggestive messages. I didn't want to say will you do it for spare change but hinted at a quid pro quo. Now, I'm out $100 and need to buy more "credits" to continue to work these so called "leads. " Minimum for Seeking is about $300 with no guarantee of anything or even being able to post "what do I get for three bills. ".

In these days of being paid to be a "social influencers" I don't put it past that some of these "leads" are just shills planted by the site to lead guys on and keep them engaged. After all, women are free right? I also notice I'm getting "favorites" and so forth by chicks in other states and other countries. Enough with the scamming already!

I notice that the minimum subscription for Seeking (arrangements) is now about $300 for 3 months with no guarantee of hitting anything but teasers and out of staters since it is against their policy to ask for outright quid pro quo in your "profile. ".

It sounds like you're rushing it. You can't rush these things. If you need someone "this week" who will "guarantee" some action, a sugar baby is probably not it.

There are indeed a lot of scammers, time wasters, platonic only, etc. But there are very real sugar babies out there who will be like the best casual girlfriend you've never had.

No flame again, but if $100 or $300 is a concern, then sugar dating is probably not for you. Babies are looking for some degree of consistency, because they need the money on a regular basis in most cases. Sure, there may be some that just need some quick cash to get out of a jam, but those are not most babies. I don't think any sugar baby would accept a regular allowance of less than $1 k. $1 k a mo. Is only $12 k a year, which is not really supporting them unless they're trying to get 4-5 daddies. All my arrangements have been north of $2,500 a mo. Which covers rent, car, utilities and a little bit of spending cash. Of course, there are always extras, but $2,500 a mo. Is a good baseline amount.

My current arrangement is with a college student and her total allowance excluding "gifts" is about $3,500 a mo. I've been seeing her since she moved here to start her freshman year and I'm having the time of my life. It took about a month with her before anything intimate happened. Could she have scammed? Sure. But, she also knows that not scamming is worth way more money in the long run. She gets her entire tuition paid, and then some. There are definitely real babies out there. It just takes time.

[Hickory747]

To find them. Basically pay for credits.

Can you link them? I feel like I'm on a wild goose chase. Haven't found one of them.

[Nackin12]

Curve-a-licious.

PAWG. Solid menu and asks 3 for BBFS / CIM / CIP YMMV.

Sweetgirlhawaii.

PAWG. Solid menu and asks 2 for BBFS / BBBJ CIM YMMV.

Thiquekisses.

Thicc Local mix. Solid menu and asks 3 for.

BBFS / BBBJ YMMV.

PiperLUV3.

Thicc Local poly mix. Solid menu asks 2. 5 for.

BBFS / BBBJCIMWS / Greek on the table for xtra.

All is all SB has served me well! Good luck!

Can you link them? I feel like I'm on a wild goose chase. Haven't found one of them.

[Sam H]

I ask again. Now I'm wasting money too. I spent some time surfing around some of these spots and all I got was a lot of coy teasing in response to my own suggestive messages. I didn't want to say will you do it for spare change but hinted at a quid pro quo. Now, I'm out $100 and need to buy more "credits" to continue to work these so called "leads. " Minimum for Seeking is about $300 with no guarantee of anything or even being able to post "what do I get for three bills. ".

In these days of being paid to be a "social influencers" I don't put it past that some of these "leads" are just shills planted by the site to lead guys on and keep them engaged. After all, women are free right? I also notice I'm getting "favorites" and so forth by chicks in other states and other countries. Enough with the scamming already!

I notice that the minimum subscription for Seeking (arrangements) is now about $300 for 3 months with no guarantee of hitting anything but teasers and out of staters since it is against their policy to ask for outright quid pro quo in your "profile. ".

[Hickory747]

How do you search by username? I see that you can search profile text, but nothing shows up.

The ones I listed are fairly active so you'll find them in the first 1-3 pages. Good luck!

[Waerqw]

Arrangements are actually a lot cheaper than regularly seeing a prostitute of the same caliber for the same services, but people don't understand this because they can't afford to see even a mediocre prostitute 4 or more times a month.

I pay whatever the girl and I agree to. This could be $0 (assuming I pay for dinner or drinks) or up to $3 oo, and I'm sure it probably goes higher. You are paying "just to talk to them" in some sense, but you have to realize that if $3 oo is a big deal to you, then sugar dating is probably not for you. The girl needs to know that you're a legit sugar daddy, not a guy looking for a quick one-off with a hot young girl. To put this into perspective, if you wanted to have a PSE with a 18-25 year old pro, you might pay $1 Soo-$1 o,ooo for a single day, or you could just find a 30+ drug-addicted street walker to see 20 times. Different strokes for different folks.

This is similar to my experience. This is a side hustle for them, IMO many try to only have a single SD (who they also expect to be somewhat exclusive) that they see a few times a month which is why BB is fairly common. If they want to use a condom, that's usually a sign to me that they're seeing others. If someone says they're juggling multiple SBs at once, IMO they're either full of it or actually loaded.

I'll cover a nice dinner for a meet and greet, but won't give anything more until we seal the deal. My usual demographic might be a bit different / more selctive though- I'm pretty much only looking for 18-25 year olds. Fleecing a guy out of a couple hundo a big comeup for a college girl, so they don't care too much if they burn that bridge. If they're serious, a nice dinner (like $50 or more) is enough compensation for their time. That was a few years ago, though. I'm looking to step back into the game more seriously again so I might have to change things up to get with the times. I could see older SBs (35 and up) being less likely to ghost you after taking meet and greet money. They probably aren't getting spammed by as many lonely horny guys so the scam approach doesn't work as well.