Security and Legal Issues

[Shampoo55]

So I maybe little confused are you vulnerable to LE? Or the SB? Because honestly my answer is a big no to both. LE are not going to go so far as to look up your purchases on security cameras for seeing a SB or escort or anybody for that matter. The only time I believe if you were the one doing the trafficking of women which probably not the case. LEO may get you in a sting at a location sex for money kind of thing and normally that's it. They aren't going to waste surveillance on a monger getting a a 20 $ BJ or a guy have a sugar baby. My guess your vulnerable to your SO at home and using cash is best. Most is precautions which is probably a good thing. I'm more worried that the soured SB will show up at my job or something thsn the cops busting me for having a sugar baby. Just my opinion nothing more. Be safe.

My advice is ignore OpSec if you are omnipotent enough to KNOW all of the current or future risks that are out there. Otherwise, use the highest level you can muster. No one knows how the wheel will turn in the future.

Look a buddy of mine was just minding his own bidness and posting here, he gathered info from others via PMs and posted what he learned. He told me when 5 guys all confirmed a key point, he posted it. Turns out one of the popular places to visit had a pimp and LE was involved, his posted ended up as "evidence" in Affidavits for search & arrest warrants, our Fed buddies came looking for my buddy but never found him. THAT my friend is why I use the highest level of OpSec I can figure out.

[Jcn1965]

I use cash when I load my burner at Wallyworld. My only concern with mine and your method is security cameras. No they can't link our bank info because we are using cash. The only thing they can identify us with is our faces or fingerprints. But why would they spend the time / effort / money searching cameras for time frames we walked in and bought prepaid cards. They wouldn't spend that much effort on a single monger unless we were hurting girls or something. I doubt it's very easy to track when / where prepaid cards were bought / loaded but not impossible. I don't think it's really a concern as much of staying aware of very rare possibilities. If they link the phone # of burner to a prepaid card number and see its loaded monthly at Wallyworlds in the same city, they may connect the dots and try to see the face that's paying cash for the cards. Like I said, more paranoia than anything. I really think it would take a lot for them to pull that so I'm not concerned but aware my face is still somehow linked to these cards.

So I maybe little confused are you vulnerable to LE? Or the SB? Because honestly my answer is a big no to both. LE are not going to go so far as to look up your purchases on security cameras for seeing a SB or escort or anybody for that matter. The only time I believe if you were the one doing the trafficking of women which probably not the case. LEO may get you in a sting at a location sex for money kind of thing and normally that's it. They aren't going to waste surveillance on a monger getting a a 20 $ BJ or a guy have a sugar baby. My guess your vulnerable to your SO at home and using cash is best. Most is precautions which is probably a good thing. I'm more worried that the soured SB will show up at my job or something thsn the cops busting me for having a sugar baby. Just my opinion nothing more. Be safe.

[FarFarAway]

I use cash when I load my burner at Wallyworld. My only concern with mine and your method is security cameras. No they can't link our bank info because we are using cash. The only thing they can identify us with is our faces or fingerprints. But why would they spend the time / effort / money searching cameras for time frames we walked in and bought prepaid cards. They wouldn't spend that much effort on a single monger unless we were hurting girls or something. I doubt it's very easy to track when / where prepaid cards were bought / loaded but not impossible. I don't think it's really a concern as much of staying aware of very rare possibilities. If they link the phone # of burner to a prepaid card number and see its loaded monthly at Wallyworlds in the same city, they may connect the dots and try to see the face that's paying cash for the cards. Like I said, more paranoia than anything. I really think it would take a lot for them to pull that so I'm not concerned but aware my face is still somehow linked to these cards.

The only people w / that kind of power are LE, and I am not worried at all about that in the sugar bowl. I am mostly worried about keeping secure from the warden knowing what I am up to, and from a SB learning my IRL identity, which would give her uncomfortable leverage over me.

It would be a real problem if someone could go from a gift card that I purchased them on my personal credit card at a grocery store, back up the trail to the name on that credit card. It makes perfect sense to me that this is not something someone not in the FBI could accomplish. Gosh, I wish I could go the other way. I give a girl a gift card, and if she buys some panties online from Victoria's Secret, I can get the address she has them sent to.

I think it is a good idea when you can to get the real name of a SB. It is leverage against them in case they try to pull anything. You keep it in your back pocket, though, IDK any particular use for it during the regular arrangement. I have gotten a girls' real name by running her license tag # through a web site, or paid online searches when she uses her real #, not a texting app, or sometimes, when I get them to get a room for us to meet in, her name is right up there on the television. Watch out for that one if you are in the habit of getting a room for play. I have even gone to the extent of unplugging a TV, or hiding the remote in the safe, so that a girl could not turn on a TV that was going to give up my name.

I never use reloadable debit cards. Only the prepaid ones. There is a fee, exorbitant though it may be. This is the price we pay for safety when we are stepping out.

[ItsAllGreat570]

I have a current question about this very old post. The gift cards I have sometimes gotten for SBs have been from like cosmetics or lingerie stores that I can buy in a grocery. Sometimes I toss them in w / stuff I am getting already and that is going on my personal CC. Other times, I am buying just that gift card, and I am giving them cash. When I buy a card for minutes on my prepaid burner, that is always done in cash. I also sometimes buy those through the wireless carrier's website, and I use a prepaid debit card (that I bought for cash). Is that vulnerable?

So what is the situation in this day and age?

I use cash when I load my burner at Wallyworld. My only concern with mine and your method is security cameras. No they can't link our bank info because we are using cash. The only thing they can identify us with is our faces or fingerprints. But why would they spend the time / effort / money searching cameras for time frames we walked in and bought prepaid cards. They wouldn't spend that much effort on a single monger unless we were hurting girls or something. I doubt it's very easy to track when / where prepaid cards were bought / loaded but not impossible. I don't think it's really a concern as much of staying aware of very rare possibilities. If they link the phone # of burner to a prepaid card number and see its loaded monthly at Wallyworlds in the same city, they may connect the dots and try to see the face that's paying cash for the cards. Like I said, more paranoia than anything. I really think it would take a lot for them to pull that so I'm not concerned but aware my face is still somehow linked to these cards.

[FarFarAway]

If you buy a gift card with your credit card, the gift card is still traceable back to you. The date and time of gift card purchase / activation will correlate with your credit card transaction. The store's records could be subpoenaed in a paternity case (or other investigation) , and the next thing you know, you're answering questions you'd rather not.

If you're buying anything relating to hobbying, such as burner phones or cards for minutes, pay cash (and don't swipe your store card to get bonus points credit for the purchase). There's no such thing as "almost" off the grid; you're on or you're off.

I have a current question about this very old post. The gift cards I have sometimes gotten for SBs have been from like cosmetics or lingerie stores that I can buy in a grocery. Sometimes I toss them in w / stuff I am getting already and that is going on my personal CC. Other times, I am buying just that gift card, and I am giving them cash. When I buy a card for minutes on my prepaid burner, that is always done in cash. I also sometimes buy those through the wireless carrier's website, and I use a prepaid debit card (that I bought for cash). Is that vulnerable?

So what is the situation in this day and age?

[FarFarAway]

Richmond;

I totally agree with you about Google Voice. I consider it a life saver. It lets my SBs text me to their hearts content and I never have to worry about the Warden picking up my phone. It's so much easier to sit at my computer and answer a text then walking around the house with my phone in my hand. The problem with a burner for me is where do I hid it where it's safe from discovery. Google Voice gives you privacy and control. Just what a Monger needs. Every Monger with a SO owes it to himself to check out Google Voice.

Coolhand

This thread, it has gone quiet for far too long. Posting here will bring it into the modern age. There is another thread in northern Virginia about OPSEC, but the data I have read here in just 10 min is invaluable.

[PassinHoes]

Be careful. Post big red letters, Senior Members Only. Just my speculation.

[SubCmdr]

'When you think of Pit Bull you think big trucks. Big rims, but oh not me I stay low key. Cause if they can't spot me. Then they can't watch me. And if they can't watch me then they sure as hell can't stop me. ' – Pit Bull.

Kicking a little street knowledge for ya. My occupational endeavors have always involved a great deal of secrecy and security. I was taught at an early age to have a separate account known only to you. Offshore if possible. Keep the amounts below certain limits and you have no (tax) reporting issues. I established the account before marriage so it is not marital property laws even after tying the knot. My play money came out of my paycheck before it hit the joint account. My excuse if needed was that I was required to have expense money available for last minute assignments at all times and that for security purposes it should not lead back to my family.

You are conducting a covert operation. Practice operational security (OPSEC). If the warden breaches security she should only be able to determine that something is going on. She should not be able to figure out who, what why, when, where, and how much. Make like you are a Mission Impossible team member and make sure your communications self-destruct in five seconds. If you are holding onto contraband (emails, texts and photos) and the warden tosses your cell you are fucked. At best you are going to be thrown into solitary confinement and at worst you she is going to bend you over while reaching for the broom handle.

Yes, I've been through a divorce. It had nothing to do with infidelity and everything to do with incompatibility. But that does not change anything. Divorce is a rule of law. A simple division of property. It is only the white hot emotions that surround the event that make it difficult. Do not be afraid of the lawyer for the opposition. You can always get one for yourself. Be proactive, now. If you have a risk of divorce for ANY reason do your research now. Learn how it works. Know in advance who your advocate will be. Develop your intelligence on the opposition. Develop a plan to protect your assets. Practice safe sex gentlemen and that means more than just slapping on a condom.

SubCmdr

[Bunker Buster]

Definitely pros and cons to each scenario, a burner phone can be found, it can ring by accident etc. Google voice can be left logged into etc and traced, but not sure LE would go to far unless they suspect you of something more.

So the presence of the burner wouldn't cause problems. The extra $350 / year is a bit of a pinch, but I value the lack of connection to my personal number.

I know I'll never have to explain why a number tied to certain activities was forwarded to my personal phone. The day my burner goes into 4 trash cans in pieces, all connection to me is severed.

[Zman429]

I think I may have left my email open, and she was using a different browser window. That was probably within a month or so of getting online at home, and I was a little clueless on admin issues. I got up to speed pretty quickly.

When you use Google Voice, Google has a record of all calls and texts, and a record of your personal phone number, where the calls were forwarded. This info is easily obtained by subpoena. With a burner phone, there's nothing connecting the phone and usage to the user, short of reviewing store security tapes to identify the purchaser paying cash for a refill card. No agency or force is going to take this manpower-intensive step outside of a major investigation. A subpoena takes 5 minutes to prepare, and the telecom company does all the legwork.

Am I missing something?

Definitely pros and cons to each scenario, a burner phone can be found, it can ring by accident etc. Google voice can be left logged into etc and traced, but not sure LE would go to far unless they suspect you of something more.

[Masonm]

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There's actually quite a few of the premium record sites not listed there.

How to remove public records from the Internet.

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Very useful. Thank you.

[Bunker Buster]

Was the first "privacy firewall" you built NOT giving your password to a significant other? I assume she didn't hack your email your email account. If anyone hasn't learned the value of using log-in passwords and setting up user accounts In Windows, well, you're just lazy.

In my opinion, the only things a person needs is Google Apps (add $10 for your own domain) and Google Voice. I have yet to see any feature like "Block caller" or even "Do Not Disturb" on any burner phone. If you set it up properly and learn how to use it fully, you'll never buy another burner phone. Even if Google started charging for it I'd pay the fee.

I think I may have left my email open, and she was using a different browser window. That was probably within a month or so of getting online at home, and I was a little clueless on admin issues. I got up to speed pretty quickly.

When you use Google Voice, Google has a record of all calls and texts, and a record of your personal phone number, where the calls were forwarded. This info is easily obtained by subpoena. With a burner phone, there's nothing connecting the phone and usage to the user, short of reviewing store security tapes to identify the purchaser paying cash for a refill card. No agency or force is going to take this manpower-intensive step outside of a major investigation. A subpoena takes 5 minutes to prepare, and the telecom company does all the legwork.

Am I missing something?

[Coolhand2]

In my opinion, the only things a person needs is Google Apps (add $10 for your own domain) and Google Voice. I have yet to see any feature like "Block caller" or even "Do Not Disturb" on any burner phone. If you set it up properly and learn how to use it fully, you'll never buy another burner phone. Even if Google started charging for it I'd pay the fee.

Richmond;

I totally agree with you about Google Voice. I consider it a life saver. It lets my SBs text me to their hearts content and I never have to worry about the Warden picking up my phone. It's so much easier to sit at my computer and answer a text then walking around the house with my phone in my hand. The problem with a burner for me is where do I hid it where it's safe from discovery. Google Voice gives you privacy and control. Just what a Monger needs. Every Monger with a SO owes it to himself to check out Google Voice.

Coolhand

[Benchseats Rock]

Where were you last week during the orchestrated blackout to boycott SOPA and PIPA? They were House and Senate bills tgat dealt with privacy, intellectual property and piracy.

Sites like Pipl, Spokeo, Intellius, etc use web crawlers and search engines to aggregate data and gives you the link to the information. What information you post on a social network site or even a site like this shouldn't be aggregated by companies like Intellius, Spokeo etc for profit. I can support the "Free Internet," but not when it comes to snooping around to sell personal information. The First Amendment is often abused to protect companies like these.

You're really addressing two different issues here.

I'm not going to waste time discussing SOPA and PIPA, for the time being they are dead issues, they will resurface in new and different forms in perpetuity. This is going to be the fight that lasts as long as there is an internet. So vote for the people who are less likely to support it, and hope that the lobbying power of the Hollywood Studios and the RIAA gets diluted in time. Other than that, boy wasn't it a prescient moment when V. P. Cheney told Patrick Leahy to go fuck himself. It's almost like he knew that Leahy would write a bill like this. So vote, or pray. Moving on.

Intellius etc. Don't aggregate private data, they can't. And if they could, a "background check" would be a whole hell of a lot more expensive than $49. 00.

The surprise here might be exactly how much information is actually public. That being said, there are services out there that can pull more esoteric data about an individual, and if you're getting a divorce, you're already paying for the P. I. To be hunting it all down for your soon to be ex wife anyhow. I support a corporation's ability to get paid for providing the same information that is available with the most basic research skills in a courthouse records dept. And google, but don't think that Intellius is selling "personal"information that isn't already out there, they're not. DNB is a good resource, but mostly for corporate research. Most of that is public too, but if someone is trying to find out about who you are, there will always be a low paid secretary at a doctor's office or at the MVA who is willing to bend the privacy rules for some extra money. And that will never stop, for the same reason that this hobby will never stop.

The bottom line is that if "they" are trying to get you,"they" will. It's a long told standard in the corporate world, If you don't want to see it on the front page of the WSJ, don't write in in an email and click the send button.

Privacy today means owning your own domain and better controlling access to your email. Not having a social networking identity at all. And none of that would matter, because you still drive a car and go to the doctor and you have a job and a bank account too. So for the time being, consider this silver lining. Isn't it an amazing thing that Jackson moved the server out of the US and beyond the reach of the DoJ?

[Richmond Fotog]

Was the first "privacy firewall" you built NOT giving your password to a significant other? I assume she didn't hack your email your email account. If anyone hasn't learned the value of using log-in passwords and setting up user accounts In Windows, well, you're just lazy.

In my opinion, the only things a person needs is Google Apps (add $10 for your own domain) and Google Voice. I have yet to see any feature like "Block caller" or even "Do Not Disturb" on any burner phone. If you set it up properly and learn how to use it fully, you'll never buy another burner phone. Even if Google started charging for it I'd pay the fee.

My GF logged onto my email account and saw it, and asked me what it was.

I learned a hard lesson after that lucky break, and have put a lot of time into developing privacy firewalls for hobbying. For those on the fence about getting a burner, if you ignore the advice in this forum, you deserve the hot water you end up in.