Non Pro's

[ProJohn1]

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.

[PoonHound1969]

Then see where it goes. LOL.

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...d-3d8608b66984

[Mamouna]

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

[DJ Tan]

LOL, if it's skinny hot Chinese model and send you message, skip or block then repeat.

I've been getting message from Ukraine and Colombia babes, a lot; I am not interested in video chatting and jerking off in from of my laptop since I am not flying to Bogota / Medelline or Kyiv.

[AlanHeckle]

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Yeah it's been brutal. I hate that site so much LOL.

[ProJohn1]

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

[DilzParty]

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Eh the bots are always there and easy to spot. New girl today with "Love to hit up the bars" in the About Me section.

Age: 19.

Drinks: Non Drinker.

What?

[MilfHunter66]

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

[Twister100]

SultryRunner.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e...6-bd1a466df7a9
Feels like you're chatting with a bot.

Sweetbleu.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a...4-f4692ff752c5
600 ppm and a paid m&g.

Presjenn.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0...e-abf68635db66
500 ppm, 200 m&g.

FineBelle.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-ff5fce34ee8d
Pic seller.

Cutephotographer.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e...e-d9d15f5b6e01
SA messaged saying her name was Madison then wanted to move straight to text and then sent me text saying "Hey it's Bella".

[MilfHunter66]

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

Sorry she did that to you. I was texting with her a few months back. We even talked on the phone. Ended up really busy at work so we never were able to meet in person. She came off as real and I didn't get any weird feelings either.

[Twister100]

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...c-e67f8e92bb8d

[Gawain]

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

[Marko Ramius]

... On the flip side, though, SecretBenefits has been outed for using employees to create targeted profiles, as well as employees reading personal communications between people. They're a vile offshore entity, so they violate all the laws to get your hard earned. ...

You should *always* assume that someone is reading all of your messages on any such sites.

All I can say is that SA kicked me off for no coherent reason with no way to even find out why or do anything about it. SB hasn't done that.

If there was any other less slimy way to get all that sweet pussy, I'd drop 'them in a heartbeat. And yeah, ninety percent of the profiles on any of those sites are fake (somewhere there is a cottage industry that is producing those fake profiles, and some of the fake profiles are quite good with pictures appropriate to their location).

[KnoxNenters]

Scammers are:

1. If there is one or two pictures and no text.

2. If they say it says their income is $300,000-$1,000,000.

3. If their text says about one generic sentence.

I would add that if an offer is accepted and messaging started, within the first introductory messages, there is a push to leave the site to WhatsApp, etc. They're trying to avoid getting caught. I push them to stick around, try to get them to describe their favorite things about (your cities). The responses keep coming back, "I'd love to talk about that. On WhatsApp" (or texting, etc.). I screencap the conversation, save it, then just report them, demand a refund, then send a screenshot in the follow up emails from the site. I get refunds 9 times out of 10. I have had some fantastic sex with some people on WYP, so I keep that account active. I've also spent entirely too much time talking to scammers, saving screenshots, evidence etc. to get my 20-30 credits back. But I did get over 300 credits refunded, which led to more ...scammers and sometimes the occasional date.

Why would someone in Aberdeen just randomly ask a guy for a date in Seattle. Who just happened to be looking at profiles in Aberdeen previous day? So, yes, I think the site is making the fake accounts.

Just something to think about is that the dating site technologies are heavy on data gathering. You showed up as searching Aberdeen for people, the site then suggests you to people in Aberdeen, even though their search may not include Seattle. On the flip side, though, SecretBenefits has been outed for using employees to create targeted profiles, as well as employees reading personal communications between people. They're a vile offshore entity, so they violate all the laws to get your hard earned. Cash? Nope. Now it's bitcoin only. Of course! Because they're violating commerce laws. This whole habit, er, hobby sucks in so many, many ways.

[Michael1967]

I took a couple of months off after a particularly enigmatic episode with a Portlander. I busted up all my accounts, destroyed my persona, and all traces. It felt good. I highly recommend this as a kind of cleansing. I regret canceling my SA subscription, which still had two months on it, but some of you kindly offered discount codes yesterday, and I'm back online with a whole new persona. It's refreshing, and I get to see all those nefarious players who tried to block me before. Not that I give a shit. But at least I can proactively block them now.

Anyway, who cares, right? But I did come here to mention one thing. Amongst the realm of online subscriptions and accounts, one in particular really shines as the pile of garbage it truly is. If you really enjoy punishing yourself trying to set up dates with scammers, I highly recommend WhatsYourPrice.

Check my history of posts on this gem. I offer advice on how to avoid losing your credits. I'm 24 hours into this and already have to report three. They'll refund your credits (every time) as a "one time courtesy" but W8 Tech Limited / W8 tech Cyprus Limited (who also run SA) really need to bring the haz mat team on this turd pool of a site.

Yes. What's your price is full of scammers. For the life of me I don't know if it's the site owners making fake ads or what, but I've pretty much got them down now.

Scammers are:

1. If there is one or two pictures and no text.

2. If they say it says their income is $300,000-$1,000,000.

3. If their text says about one generic sentence.

I really think it is the site owners though because (I mentioned this before) my profile is based in Seattle and a city on the East Coast as a secondary and I was going to be in Aberdeen for a weekend. So, I did a filter and looked to see who was available in Aberdeen and didn't see anything I like. The next day, I wake up to a date request from someone in Aberdeen that just opened an account. Why would someone in Aberdeen just randomly ask a guy for a date in Seattle. Who just happened to be looking at profiles in Aberdeen previous day? So, yes, I think the site is making the fake accounts.