Non Pro's

[PriceIsRight39]

The ones who have been on the site awhile definitely get jaded a bit and start to get a feel of what the average ppm amounts are with the tons of messages they get. At least they have to be getting an idea from somewhere otherwise I wouldn't be seeing a somewhat similar range when the topic comes up. It makes me think trying to contact the newer ones is better though you have to be careful of the fakes / scammers who make accounts everyday.

I'm still mixed about talking about ppm early or not at all as there are pros and cons. I feel like there's much more potential for your time wasted if you don't, but the reward is there if they're new / inexperienced. I got through texting and a nice M&G where nothing like that was discussed, then afterwards she throws out a 700 ppm. Made me want to go back to discussing that within the first couple messages again. I do that with another girl and she gives red flags asking how long or that x amount isn't enough for even 2 hrs. Easy next in that case.

The first one I got said on SA," ppm?" I said, sure, she said a number, I said " ok " and SA said nada. Maybe we slipped though the cracks. Ladies on SA want money, there's a recession.

[ProJohn1]

The ones who have been on the site awhile definitely get jaded a bit and start to get a feel of what the average ppm amounts are with the tons of messages they get. At least they have to be getting an idea from somewhere otherwise I wouldn't be seeing a somewhat similar range when the topic comes up. It makes me think trying to contact the newer ones is better though you have to be careful of the fakes / scammers who make accounts everyday.

I'm still mixed about talking about ppm early or not at all as there are pros and cons. I feel like there's much more potential for your time wasted if you don't, but the reward is there if they're new / inexperienced. I got through texting and a nice M&G where nothing like that was discussed, then afterwards she throws out a 700 ppm. Made me want to go back to discussing that within the first couple messages again. I do that with another girl and she gives red flags asking how long or that x amount isn't enough for even 2 hrs. Easy next in that case.

Yea. I hear you on the 700 ppm. I have not seen her a second time yet. So only time will tell how the financing of it will all go. I agree it's a huge risk cause they could be a bot and / or a scammer of some kind. Until you physically meet them you simply have no idea if they are even real.

[PriceIsRight39]

DUDE! NEVER and I mean NEVER talk about PPM, allowance or any kind of money talk on the SA site! Period! You do that and you violate the TOS, the BOTs that scan every message will catch you and you will get banned! Talk general stuff and get her to agree to communicate offsite where you can discuss PPM or allowance. Most of the time the best advice is save that discussion for a Meet & Greet (M&G) for several reasons.

First scammers, rip-off artists and Pro's aren't going to waste time with M&Gs. Never agree to pay for a M&G as this is in essence a 'job interview. ' Asking for funds for a M&G is a sure sign of a rinser.

Second, despite what I have seen others post, this isn't totally socially acceptable nor on the right side of things. As such, do you wish to leave a written record of your PPM negotiations with a girl? Don't talk PPM or sex for money through text, etc.

Finally, the best "education" one can get comes from what is / was the defacto (first & only) SB board / thread in Richmond VA. A kind dude or two scraped that thread and created a new one with all of the best advice on "how to" sugar date. More info than one can absorb in one sitting but a PhD level of knowledge there. Just like any skill, you get out of Sugaring what you put into it, time wise.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...-Index-and-FAQ

But seriously, if you are looking for the real LT, intimate Sugar Dating experience, one needs to distinguish them self from the numbnuts and Neanderthals who send dick picks, treat girls like prostitutes or think these girls are just an upgrade to escorts. In other words if your focus is purely "PPM and move on to the next", then one should be playing in the escort area. Then again, more guys who treat girls badly, just makes it easier for those of us who play the game right.

Tyrone is never nice. Why his salami gets wet before " daddy's. LOL.

[HelloThar]

I will add that it was her idea. She texted me at 3 am that she just had coffee and was wide awake! And was "bored ya know".

I met my second girl last night. A girl who has only been on the board for about a week or so from my memory. I don't want to log back into the site as I don't have a use for it anymore. She is a total non pro. There was no discussions of PPM or any terminology or anything. She just wants help with her bills and showed me some of them that she wants help with. She is a good girl. This is definitely what I was looking for. I thought it would be much harder honestly to find this. Kicking myself for not trying earlier. I just thought it would be like Tinder. Impossible to get a good looking girls attention. This has elements of regular dating / tinder mixed into it. Unless the girls photos are all of her without a head shot and in her lingerie you don't know if she's a pro or not so if you just shoot a PPM she may get offended and never respond to you.

The ones who have been on the site awhile definitely get jaded a bit and start to get a feel of what the average ppm amounts are with the tons of messages they get. At least they have to be getting an idea from somewhere otherwise I wouldn't be seeing a somewhat similar range when the topic comes up. It makes me think trying to contact the newer ones is better though you have to be careful of the fakes / scammers who make accounts everyday.

I'm still mixed about talking about ppm early or not at all as there are pros and cons. I feel like there's much more potential for your time wasted if you don't, but the reward is there if they're new / inexperienced. I got through texting and a nice M&G where nothing like that was discussed, then afterwards she throws out a 700 ppm. Made me want to go back to discussing that within the first couple messages again. I do that with another girl and she gives red flags asking how long or that x amount isn't enough for even 2 hrs. Easy next in that case.

[ProJohn1]

That was me, and ironically I'll admit that I picked up a girl for a date in my car (five months later I'm still seeing her). I think the point here is that experience determines what works for you but take it case by case, as ElToro wrote. It's just not like the other board where there are a lot more procedures most people follow. The appeal of non-pros is that it feels like dating. You have to lead the discussion because most of women I encountered either just started or had been doing it for just a couple months. After all a lot of these women have some form of daddy issues, they want that type of relationship.

I will add that it was her idea. She texted me at 3 am that she just had coffee and was wide awake! And was "bored ya know".

I met my second girl last night. A girl who has only been on the board for about a week or so from my memory. I don't want to log back into the site as I don't have a use for it anymore. She is a total non pro. There was no discussions of PPM or any terminology or anything. She just wants help with her bills and showed me some of them that she wants help with. She is a good girl. This is definitely what I was looking for. I thought it would be much harder honestly to find this. Kicking myself for not trying earlier. I just thought it would be like Tinder. Impossible to get a good looking girls attention. This has elements of regular dating / tinder mixed into it. Unless the girls photos are all of her without a head shot and in her lingerie you don't know if she's a pro or not so if you just shoot a PPM she may get offended and never respond to you.

[Mamouna]

I have to agree here. Hell, if you wanted meet ME at a Park & Ride at 5 AM and then go to your place, I'd assume you're going to kill me. I've been trying to avoid the SB and hooker thing as I'm trying to actually date normal people. But damn, THIS is definitely not the way to go about it. There are lot of nice non-chain restaurants where you can get a great dinner and drinks for less than $100 each. One hour of food, drink and casual conversation and she may have been completely open to it. And may have even been open to a lower rate for going home with you.

Last year, someone didn't understand how I would meet women on SA or WYP and they'd casually get in my car and go wherever I took them. I never found it to be strange, but in most cases, we had talked or met and they felt comfortable with me. This woman jumped in a car with a total stranger at 5 AM and went back to his house, so yes, having a date and picking someone up in your car is not that difficult or out of the ordinary.

That was me, and ironically I'll admit that I picked up a girl for a date in my car (five months later I'm still seeing her). I think the point here is that experience determines what works for you but take it case by case, as ElToro wrote. It's just not like the other board where there are a lot more procedures most people follow. The appeal of non-pros is that it feels like dating. You have to lead the discussion because most of women I encountered either just started or had been doing it for just a couple months. After all a lot of these women have some form of daddy issues, they want that type of relationship.

[CoffeeTurd]

Or maybe she just changed her mind. When people talk online, they develop an impression of each other. Maybe you looked or sounded different than she expected and 5 minutes in to the date, she wanted out. I've had people block me after a Snapchat call and I've definitely walked out of hotels, homes, and restaurants after seeing or hearing someone in person. What's worse: sticking around for a few hours wasting everyone's time or just getting out? Plus, if she's antisocial, there is a good chance she got overstimulated and freaked out. I wouldn't call it a mental health problem just yet.

It was pretty much her idea. She messaged me on Snapchat at 3 am saying she just had coffee and was wide awake! She and I are both night owls and we talked about that. She told me that she was "bored" and blah blah blah so I offered to go for a night drive with her since she told me she likes those so much. Bottom line is I think mental health really was the issue here cause I didn't force her in my car.

[ProJohn1]

I have to agree here. Hell, if you wanted meet ME at a Park & Ride at 5 AM and then go to your place, I'd assume you're going to kill me. I've been trying to avoid the SB and hooker thing as I'm trying to actually date normal people. But damn, this is definitely not the way to go about it. There are lot of nice non-chain restaurants where you can get a great dinner and drinks for less than $100 each. One hour of food, drink and casual conversation and she may have been completely open to it. And may have even been open to a lower rate for going home with you.

Last year, someone didn't understand how I would meet women on SA or WYP and they'd casually get in my car and go wherever I took them. I never found it to be strange, but in most cases, we had talked or met and they felt comfortable with me. This woman jumped in a car with a total stranger at 5 AM and went back to his house, so yes, having a date and picking someone up in your car is not that difficult or out of the ordinary.

It was pretty much her idea. She messaged me on Snapchat at 3 am saying she just had coffee and was wide awake! She and I are both night owls and we talked about that. She told me that she was "bored" and blah blah blah so I offered to go for a night drive with her since she told me she likes those so much. Bottom line is I think mental health really was the issue here cause I didn't force her in my car.

[KnoxNenters]

Life pro tip. Works for both SA and WYP.

Problem: When I first created my account on SA, I lied about my age, figuring I'd land in searches more if I picked a younger number. It was all well and good until I decided to get verified. Boom! Suddenly I was 13 years older, and all my contacts could see that my age changed. I was regretting it. I eventually closed my account to stop sugar for a while (for other reasons).

When I created my new account, knowing this age / verification issue, I used generic images with no face, a lame description just to get the account established. The age was accurate, and I purposefully made the guy poor, with little net worth. That was so I could see who would still take interest. It was an eye opener! I was only using it in the free mode to slowly get back into sugaring. When I decided to go premium, several things happened. Including getting my account suspended.

I changed too many things at once when I started spiffing up my profile to go real again: income / net worth, images, descriptions. I even used a couple of AI images I generated that resembled me as a sort of joke. It was too much for the bots, and my account got suspended within minutes. So I engaged support, and they got me back on track, but I was able to keep my AI images as part of the unhidden images, with my real images being private (they resemble each other, and I only show a half-face with the AI images. I do not recommend).

I used that opportunity during account suspension and support follow-up to ask if there was a way to avoid having my age change once I'm verified and found out they will issue a "one-time" change of age request after getting verified.

Solution: get verified, then request support to change your age to whatever makes the most sense for you. They will do that.

Some of you have issues with the verification process. I find it helps ease the conversation more. Who knows for sure? The bigger issue I am having now that I'm live and unhidden briefly for two cities is filling in the gap of 13 years once the convos get involved. Not a big deal, but a little dishonesty can cause more issues later, so YMMV.

[Michael1967]

Uh, a first meet at 5 AM at a park and ride ls weird. Men are much more comfortable with being transactional, most women aren't. You should have met for dinner / coffee / drinks first and shown yourself as a normal person. Understand the psychology of a young woman being in a high stress situation. She probably had crazy levels of anxiety about going to a complete stranger's house to be naked and vulnerable, for money. They convince themselves it's easy money, but it's not so simple. When the moment comes, and it becomes more than just texting, instinct can take over.

I have to agree here. Hell, if you wanted meet ME at a Park & Ride at 5 AM and then go to your place, I'd assume you're going to kill me. I've been trying to avoid the SB and hooker thing as I'm trying to actually date normal people. But damn, THIS is definitely not the way to go about it. There are lot of nice non-chain restaurants where you can get a great dinner and drinks for less than $100 each. One hour of food, drink and casual conversation and she may have been completely open to it. And may have even been open to a lower rate for going home with you.

Last year, someone didn't understand how I would meet women on SA or WYP and they'd casually get in my car and go wherever I took them. I never found it to be strange, but in most cases, we had talked or met and they felt comfortable with me. This woman jumped in a car with a total stranger at 5 AM and went back to his house, so yes, having a date and picking someone up in your car is not that difficult or out of the ordinary.

[Mamouna]

So the sugar baby that literally just ran out of my home like I was going to assault her or something definitely had mental issues and there were warnings signs. One of them was she told me she was "very antisocial" in one of our first messages. I should have just stopped the convo there. She was so good looking though and short that I was like well I will look past that. When I showed up to the park and ride parking lot where we were meeting and she was driving around at 5 am with her headlights off, made me really question this ladies mental facilities. I asked her "did you drive all the way over here with your head lights off" and she responded that she did. Who knows what she suffers from but good lord. What makes me laugh is that she didn't even ask about money during our meet up or anything. I was fresh shaven, freshly showered clean and presentable! It's hard not to take this personally even though I know she's batshit crazy. I guess my 4 k pottery barn leather sofa she was sitting on wasn't up to her standards. Sorry for the carpets I would have vacuumed but my vaccum broke!

Uh, a first meet at 5 AM at a park and ride ls weird. Men are much more comfortable with being transactional, most women aren't. You should have met for dinner / coffee / drinks first and shown yourself as a normal person. Understand the psychology of a young woman being in a high stress situation. She probably had crazy levels of anxiety about going to a complete stranger's house to be naked and vulnerable, for money. They convince themselves it's easy money, but it's not so simple. When the moment comes, and it becomes more than just texting, instinct can take over.

[DelToro]

DUDE! NEVER and I mean NEVER talk about PPM, allowance or any kind of money talk on the SA site! Second, despite what I have seen others post, this isn't totally socially acceptable nor on the right side of things. As such, do you wish to leave a written record of your PPM negotiations with a girl? Don't talk PPM or sex for money through text, etc.

Yeah talking numbers on SA is definitely a no-no.

About you second point, you can not mention both, PPM and sexual items together.

I try not to discuss PPM at all on text, not necessarily because I am afraid of the paper trail, the kind of girls I like usually don't do it.

That being said my last two additions to my SB rotation that are both sizzling hot and crazy in bed both brought PPM conversation on text, I measured the risk and the context and I decided to keep talking, boy that was a great decision.

We discussed much later sex acts as one wanted test results, but more on the lines of what you like and such, not like what does it include

I usually bring the what to expect by telling all the nasty stuff I want to do to them, (always start describing how I would eat their pussy) if they reply like I cant wait, I know I am golden, some actually stop the convo, which is good as I rather figure we are incompatible before hand, I never explicitly mention BB for example but my description would only make sense if we are fucking bare

Sugaring is a lot more case by case situation than the hobby.

[Money420]

Do you mind posting a link so we know who to avoid? Thank you.

So the sugar baby that literally just ran out of my home like I was going to assault her or something definitely had mental issues and there were warnings signs. One of them was she told me she was "very antisocial" in one of our first messages. I should have just stopped the convo there. She was so good looking though and short that I was like well I will look past that. When I showed up to the park and ride parking lot where we were meeting and she was driving around at 5 am with her headlights off, made me really question this ladies mental facilities. I asked her "did you drive all the way over here with your head lights off" and she responded that she did. Who knows what she suffers from but good lord. What makes me laugh is that she didn't even ask about money during our meet up or anything. I was fresh shaven, freshly showered clean and presentable! It's hard not to take this personally even though I know she's batshit crazy. I guess my 4 k pottery barn leather sofa she was sitting on wasn't up to her standards. Sorry for the carpets I would have vacuumed but my vaccum broke!

[ProJohn1]

So the sugar baby that literally just ran out of my home like I was going to assault her or something definitely had mental issues and there were warnings signs. One of them was she told me she was "very antisocial" in one of our first messages. I should have just stopped the convo there. She was so good looking though and short that I was like well I will look past that. When I showed up to the park and ride parking lot where we were meeting and she was driving around at 5 am with her headlights off, made me really question this ladies mental facilities. I asked her "did you drive all the way over here with your head lights off" and she responded that she did. Who knows what she suffers from but good lord. What makes me laugh is that she didn't even ask about money during our meet up or anything. I was fresh shaven, freshly showered clean and presentable! It's hard not to take this personally even though I know she's batshit crazy. I guess my 4 k pottery barn leather sofa she was sitting on wasn't up to her standards. Sorry for the carpets I would have vacuumed but my vaccum broke!

[ProJohn1]

Holy fuck. So I finally met this girl I meet on seeking and she definitely didn't smell like drugs or anything and she was an absolute bombshell Asian. She got in my car and we talked for a little bit and then drove back to my house. We were just chillin on the couch and I got up to take a piss came back and got back on the sofa. She was on the floor on her phone. I was just laying there and she starts putting her shoes on and says "I got to go. My brother is here". Apparently her brother comes to where I live. In the same neighborhood from what she told me as we were driving in. She literally RUNS. I mean literally starts running when she gets outside! I hadn't even touched her or anything. I'm literally sitting in here in disbelief at what just happened and was quite frightened! I immediately locked the door when she got out of the door because I was afraid this guy was coming here for her!?

The craziest part about all of this is she didn't even once ask me for money! She told me she wouldn't take anything less then 400 online and I said that's fair. In person she didn't bring up money not one time. I would have gladly paid her. I am having trouble understanding what in the world is going on. I'm a bit frightened for her mental health right now.