Non Pro's

[Mamouna]

Yeah, but I'll still bet that on average anyone playing on a sugar site is spending more money than the average monger. So effectively you are getting a volume discount.

I routinely get overnighters for 500-600 so that is a far better deal than you'd get from any escort. What I tell 'them is that my "fee schedule" is from 400 to 600 for a date, with the expectation that at 600 they are spending the night. That has worked fine so far and I think it is reasonable and fair. Some ladies I see can only get away for relatively short periods of time (like 4-5 hours) so they usually go for 400.

A lot of it is I find any kind of negotiation a massive turn-off and it doesn't take much upselling and GPS to make me look elsewhere. Also I intensely dislike girls who constantly hit me up for money between dates and that often makes me drop otherwise serviceable girls like toxic waste.

Yikes. No wonder it sucks in Seattle for regular guys now. Sorry, my guy, your logic is flawed. I hope that for 600 a SB date, they are top quality. Because you're always paying more than their fee. Hotels, dinners, activities. You're probably closer to $800 - for an amateur. Most guys aren't hosting, and spending an entire evening with someone is an effort. So you can't say the value is better across the board.

The point of SB for me is the medium to long term experience, not just poon-hunting. Over time, you build a rapport. When those relationships work, the returns are pretty sweet because they start adding extras, going bare, GFE. That's what makes SB better than escorts, IMO.

[TegMan1]

Truly. Those prices are way too lower than anything I have seen quoted.

He's probably A really good looking dude.

[HelloThar]

Yeah, but I'll still bet that on average anyone playing on a sugar site is spending more money than the average monger. So effectively you are getting a volume discount.

I routinely get overnighters for 500-600 so that is a far better deal than you'd get from any escort. What I tell 'them is that my "fee schedule" is from 400 to 600 for a date, with the expectation that at 600 they are spending the night. That has worked fine so far and I think it is reasonable and fair. Some ladies I see can only get away for relatively short periods of time (like 4-5 hours) so they usually go for 400.

A lot of it is I find any kind of negotiation a massive turn-off and it doesn't take much upselling and GPS to make me look elsewhere. Also I intensely dislike girls who constantly hit me up for money between dates and that often makes me drop otherwise serviceable girls like toxic waste.

The fee schedule part I imagine works well and gives them some flexibility. I'm sure you still run across many that say 600 for 1 or 2 hours 'I know my worth' and you move on.

I actually appreciate those that don't immediately go for the high end too when you give them a range. Showing the ability to compromise is a huge green flag to me and likely a testament to a good personality, but it's fairly rare. It makes me want to work with them.

The ones who are rigid and set on X amount due to worries about devaluing themselves seem to do it well enough themselves, especially when not every meet with every person is the same.

[Marko Ramius]

It is less expensive if you were doing multiple hours with a regular provider.

For less than 2 hrs of fucking meetings, SA might be more expensive.

Yeah, but I'll still bet that on average anyone playing on a sugar site is spending more money than the average monger. So effectively you are getting a volume discount.

I routinely get overnighters for 500-600 so that is a far better deal than you'd get from any escort. What I tell 'them is that my "fee schedule" is from 400 to 600 for a date, with the expectation that at 600 they are spending the night. That has worked fine so far and I think it is reasonable and fair. Some ladies I see can only get away for relatively short periods of time (like 4-5 hours) so they usually go for 400.

A lot of it is I find any kind of negotiation a massive turn-off and it doesn't take much upselling and GPS to make me look elsewhere. Also I intensely dislike girls who constantly hit me up for money between dates and that often makes me drop otherwise serviceable girls like toxic waste.

[PopItFank69]

Anyone meet her yet? https://members.seeking.com/member/f...3-ff061d320220.

[HelloThar]

It is less expensive if you were doing multiple hours with a regular provider.

For less than 2 hrs of fucking meetings, SA might be more expensive.

One thing I've noticed is less meetings overall while being on SA just from being exhausted the entire week or however long after.

But I really like to make each meeting count too.

[DelToro]

Honestly I've never looked at the sugar world as a less expensive alternative to regular providers.

It is less expensive if you were doing multiple hours with a regular provider.

For less than 2 hrs of fucking meetings, SA might be more expensive.

[DelToro]

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...f-7529d48856a5

Anyone see this one before, seems kind of familiar. Gives off pro vibes from comms.

Would usually disregard, especially those with children and 30+, but tough to find ones outside of Seattle sometimes.

Pro vibes and price structure as well.

$300 an hr, next.

[Marko Ramius]

Have you found that the ones on SA are more willing to work with you with you booking a hotel? And I assume you just prebook and if they don't show up, you cancel. I know dayuse offers some convenient options with this.

I haven't messed with hotels myself as the added costs really do stack up in addition to always having to check in vs just going to someone's place, but I should really be more open to changing that.

Yeah, they all have been willing to work with me if I'm booking a hotel.

Generally unless I am really sure the meetup is going to go down I just use the Expedia app to confirm that there is availability and then just show up at a hotel I know has availability. Yes, I might eat a higher rate but I'm taking zero risks. Generally if you are canceling the same day (and especially after check-in time) you probably won't get a refund unless you are really persistent.

Usually I like to take them to dinner and scope them out and figure out what the vibe is before we retire to a hotel for a fucking. If they behave oddly or badly at the dinner you can just thank them for their company, pay the bill, and go home. And enough of them do behave oddly or badly that it is worth the trouble and bluntly we all have to eat anyway. I've had enough experiences with girls where they freak out and I don't want that freakout to happen in a hotel room where I have a credit card on file, and also since I probably don't know her full name or even her real name and she doesn't know mine. That kinda gets awkward if you have to talk to hotel security or the police.

Don't panic too much, I just kind of think about worst case scenarios and I've never had an SB freak out like that in a hotel room with me.

My own experience is that they are much less likely to chicken out on you if you are just taking them to dinner.

[PriceIsRight39]

One thing I've come to experience first hand is how crazy pretty much all SA girls are, or at the very least all have lingering issues of some sort. Which would follow otherwise they wouldn't be on the site.

Even the inexperienced ones begin to view sex as a matter of rate and time allowed before long. And then they wonder why guys don't want to see them for longer arrangements which leads to ridiculous ppms. Trying to find a normal girl at a normal rate is seemingly more and more difficult. But then again, my lack of patience doesn't lend well to it.

Most are raised in a manner that teaches them that they are in charge, equal in every way to us men, men are dumb (see male TV sitcom characters) and cooperating with a man is a loss. Therefore most will never know how much better a well off man could make their life! Feminism has done them wrong. I don't want them once they wake up at 33-34!

I also have little time for their shit! My scores reflect that. I don't simp (anymore) on SBs!

[HelloThar]

Honestly I've never looked at the sugar world as a less expensive alternative to regular providers. Certainly if you care about dollars per orgasm there are no great deals here. And certainly in terms of time efficiency it is rarely a better deal either. There are lots of MPs and a few strip clubs you can go to and get everything done in an hour for less than any sugaring girl is going to cost you for less time and effort and not needed a membership to a stupid ripoff web site.

I don't really care that 99 percent of them are either ripoffs or scams or otherwise not suitable. That 1 percent is still far more pussy than I could imaginably fuck under even the most optimistic conditions.

Also, I never host at my home and wouldn't at all be okay with meeting a sugar girl at their home. Just too likely to be all fucked up. But one more thing that makes this game more expensive.

Have you found that the ones on SA are more willing to work with you with you booking a hotel? And I assume you just prebook and if they don't show up, you cancel. I know dayuse offers some convenient options with this.

I haven't messed with hotels myself as the added costs really do stack up in addition to always having to check in vs just going to someone's place, but I should really be more open to changing that.

[Marko Ramius]

Honestly if you could make it here with SA in Seattle, you can probably make it anywhere in the country -- the deck is stacked that poorly against you here.

The variance of good and bad is just incredibly high (more so bad imo) so it takes a lot of patience and willingness to sift through crap.

I'm sure guys who are willing to splurge are having a great time, though I feel like the average rate on SA is becoming closer to that of the other board which each passing day. I would say it's about 500+ average ppm here now with many getting stingy over even 2 hrs of time together. At that rate, you might as well find someone on the other board who has great reviews and negotiate being a regular. She would also know what she's doing vs a likely unskilled non-pro.
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Honestly I've never looked at the sugar world as a less expensive alternative to regular providers. Certainly if you care about dollars per orgasm there are no great deals here. And certainly in terms of time efficiency it is rarely a better deal either. There are lots of MPs and a few strip clubs you can go to and get everything done in an hour for less than any sugaring girl is going to cost you for less time and effort and not needed a membership to a stupid ripoff web site.

I don't really care that 99 percent of them are either ripoffs or scams or otherwise not suitable. That 1 percent is still far more pussy than I could imaginably fuck under even the most optimistic conditions.

Also, I never host at my home and wouldn't at all be okay with meeting a sugar girl at their home. Just too likely to be all fucked up. But one more thing that makes this game more expensive.

[HelloThar]

I have thought about going back to SA. I use SB and have mixed results it's just not as fun as it was say 5 years ago.

Honestly if you could make it here with SA in Seattle, you can probably make it anywhere in the country -- the deck is stacked that poorly against you here.

The variance of good and bad is just incredibly high (more so bad imo) so it takes a lot of patience and willingness to sift through crap.

I'm sure guys who are willing to splurge are having a great time, though I feel like the average rate on SA is becoming closer to that of the other board which each passing day. I would say it's about 500+ average ppm here now with many getting stingy over even 2 hrs of time together. At that rate, you might as well find someone on the other board who has great reviews and negotiate being a regular. She would also know what she's doing vs a likely unskilled non-pro.

On another note here are some reports I have:

PeachesandDreams.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...f-254dd4f12899

Can host, was vague on ppm though, guessing 400 or so. Too difficult to keep contact with so have kind of given up. Not really my type anyhow and guessing she's on the thick side going by pics.

MissJackieeeee.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...6-61e93e5d59be

Seemed up for ppm, but then ghosted, probably due to not being able to host.

mtnpond

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...3-e2574bb20d05

Seemed nice in responding, but couldn't host unfortunately.

Spreadsheet Lover.

https://members.seeking.com/messages...2-02ffff792855

Wants 500 to host.

I used to filter all the profiles that mentioned children or 'preferred not to say (aka yes)' and now I remember why. I swear they're the most entitled of the bunch, both in ppm and being stingy about time, not to mention body type is a toss up. I also laugh at the ones that block me when I say I'm not interested due to distance and they get offended no matter how polite I am.

[PopItFank69]

I have thought about going back to SA. I use SB and have mixed results it's just not as fun as it was say 5 years ago.

How do you use SB in a cost effective manner? I purchased $50 worth of credits and not a single woman I message responded. At least with SA you get a good response rate even if many are scammers. I do however, use SB verified profiles to find their matching SA accounts as many women post on both sites.

[FripOverGuy]

Hello gentlemen,

I'm new to Seattle and have been playing the seeking game for a month. I thought I'd share reports weekly with scammers, GPS, and of course the real unicorns I discover. Starting today with the scammers and online / platonic time wastes.

Honeybee (online only, scammer).

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...f-62ed797f89d6

Mysterious queen (Snapchat scammer).

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...0-d408e6a63f14

FunnyChickie (pic scammer).

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...1-3eadcee5c49e

DaisyRiverquest (platonic and rude about it).

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...f-5b9b07ebcceb

NiceDuchess (scammer).

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-613b71aaaf28

Secretcrush (scammer).

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-f255841beef3

Following up with the GPS and real babies soon.

I have thought about going back to SA. I use SB and have mixed results it's just not as fun as it was say 5 years ago.