Legal Discussions / Raids / Busts

**StopTheBS** · 10-28-11 13:48

Been keeping my mouth shut and my eyes open. There has been a lot of threats about two certain places and to my knowledge, not one of the predictions have come to fruition. Maybe my original thoughts were right after all. It's all an attempt to hurt business so one independent could boost hers.

**Legal Eagle** · 10-28-11 03:11

Will wonders never cease? It appears that "P*ssy Hut" has opened a newly-named branch location and stocked it not only with one or two well-known pizza-makers, but they also sent "now open" flyers to some of the same pizza-loving customers. Specifically. 400 of those same customers. The Health Department plans on canvassing as many customers as possible very soon regarding the quality of the pizza being served. At least one pizza-maker is quietly helping the Health Department in that process.

If I know this and you know this, guess who else does?

**Golfcart** · 10-26-11 23:06

Originally Posted by Golfcart [View Original Post]

Post Script:

The 3 defendants operated competing message boards in Michigan. They marketed the escort side using meet & greets. Although they competed with each other at the board level they helped each other run their individual board meet & greets so all 3 were in on it. They also had plans to go national with a national board and national meet & greets. Life was good until they recruited a 17 year old girl to the business using meth and some money. They are in a world of hurt now.

The 3 were brought down when the girl's mother emailed the county sheriff about her daughter being recruited as an escort by 3 guys in their 60's and hooked her on meth. Enter the FBI with a Task Force. This was 2007. Four years work by the FBI is coming to light now. The FBI hasn't done all this work to get a fine.

Post Script II:

The FBI got in the case because the meet & greets crossed state lines. The FBI determined this fact by checking license plates of cars in the parking lot.

Court filings are on line. I have it as a download and attempted up upload it here but the pdf exceeded the USASG allowance. Here is the link for as long as it remains up: http://www.livingstondaily.com/assets/pdf/C61805621014.PDF

I found this all very interesting. A friend of mine happened to be in Detroit and attended one of the meet & greets, but not one of those mentioned here. He found it to be a group of people getting together at a sports bar and having a good time. He saw nothing untoward. He did meet Silver Eagle, a man in his 60's with a head of hair that looked like a silver eagle's.

**Golfcart** · 10-26-11 20:12

Originally Posted by Jc4024 [View Original Post]

3 dudes were running some parties where you could meet up with escorts to have dates with afterwards. They had "gift bags" for sale that would include coupons for 30 minutes, an hour, or other special acts.

They were adverting on a public board like backpage or craig's list or something (I don't remember which) and had pretty public places for their shin digs like at bowling alleys and stuff.

Anyhoo, they got busted and brought up on charges including bringing in teenagers that they were supplying with drugs to solicit their services.

Post Script:

The 3 defendants operated competing message boards in Michigan. They marketed the escort side using meet & greets. Although they competed with each other at the board level they helped each other run their individual board meet & greets so all 3 were in on it. They also had plans to go national with a national board and national meet & greets. Life was good until they recruited a 17 year old girl to the business using meth and some money. They are in a world of hurt now.

The 3 were brought down when the girl's mother emailed the county sheriff about her daughter being recruited as an escort by 3 guys in their 60's and hooked her on meth. Enter the FBI with a Task Force. This was 2007. Four years work by the FBI is coming to light now. The FBI hasn't done all this work to get a fine.

**Legal Eagle** · 10-26-11 19:26

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

What is the latest in the happening of the case (generically) , if anything?

Cases are still pending in Clark County. All the of defendants save Perry are scheduled for a pretrial conference on November 7th. Perry's preliminary hearing is scheduled for December 19th. No plea agreements have been entered into the record thus far, but negotiations are ongoing. There is a great deal of activity regarding just how pleas are being negotiated, however. I mentioned something awhile back about scoping out the terrain and avoiding minefields. Some mines are particularly well-placed, but are visible to the observant. Opposing forces do, on occasion, relocate old mines to new fields. Get the picture?

**Jc4024** · 10-26-11 19:06

Originally Posted by Varoom [View Original Post]

The link is broken or the site is down but couldn't open up this site.

What was the gist of it, if no longer available.

3 dudes were running some parties where you could meet up with escorts to have dates with afterwards. They had "gift bags" for sale that would include coupons for 30 minutes, an hour, or other special acts.

They were adverting on a public board like backpage or craig's list or something (I don't remember which) and had pretty public places for their shin digs like at bowling alleys and stuff.

Anyhoo, they got busted and brought up on charges including bringing in teenagers that they were supplying with drugs to solicit their services.

**Varoom** · 10-26-11 09:44

Originally Posted by Legal Eagle [View Original Post]

This month from the "Hobbyist's Network." If it sounds too good to be true.

http://www.folksalert.com/2011/10/th...rvices-awards/

The link is broken or the site is down but couldn't open up this site.

What was the gist of it, if no longer available.

Kind of strange how this thread seemed to have run its course. What is the latest in the happening of the case (generically) , if anything?

**Legal Eagle** · 10-17-11 01:42

This month from the "Hobbyist's Network." If it sounds too good to be true.

http://www.folksalert.com/2011/10/th...rvices-awards/

**Legal Eagle** · 10-10-11 13:22

Originally Posted by Doctor Z [View Original Post]

I got that it was a blonde chick you talked about but I can't get it from there.

Send me a PM and I'll explain. Please don't discuss the information on the public board.

**Doctor Z** · 10-06-11 15:37

I got that it was a blonde chick you talked about but I can't get it from there.

**Legal Eagle** · 10-05-11 11:01

Thank you, SS and others, for understanding what I had hoped to convey from the outset. There is a great deal more involved, but as several of you have noted there are limits on what can (and frankly should) be discussed in public. The information is there if you require it. Remember to watch Perry's case closely.

Regarding the likelihood of a Mann Act prosecution, that is one of several theories being debated. You are correct that the Mann Act is the "catch-all" charge for interstate criminal activity. Its penalties are less several than other federal statutes, so it is typically used as a fail-safe when evidence supporting harsher statutes may be insufficient to meet the government's burden at trial. Because of the citizenship and residency of the Forbidden Five and their co-workers (USA citizens with sufficient personal accommodations not dependent upon their employers,) it may be difficult to prove human trafficking. There are other statutes (including Mann) which address this situation and which may be easier to prove.

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Speaking of paying attention and reading between the lines, an additional minefield was reported on Monday. For accuracy's sake, it is a branch of the same minefield. I jokingly referenced Pitino's adversary in a recent response, and how that adversary resembled a certain situation we have discussed ad infinitum. That analogy is more apt than you might imagine and particularly so at this moment.

A board favorite serves as a wonderful barrel of shiny, delicious apples. It has been said on this board that from this barrel you cannot always draw precisely the apple you desire, but you always enjoy and desire the apple you select. You know what happens when a spoiled apple is introduced to a pristine lot?

Light and dark make a nice contrast, but should not always be worn together. Combine the analogies and pay attention to recent advertisements. Bullies on the playground already have. PM if what is obvious is not obvious.

**TheSportScout** · 10-03-11 11:02

Originally Posted by Notime Los [View Original Post]

It's also common that when when crimes related to morality become difficult to tie together for a strong conviction, but there's financial evidence involved, the IRS gets called in. Remember e. Com? An indictment could take quite a while since this such an involved case as Leagle has stated.

I'm surprised he's bringing so much info to the table. Most keep their cards close to their chest to protect their case. Those on the other side of the table should really be paying close attention.

I have chatted with Legal a bit. I like his style. With that said, I don't believe he has a dog in this fight. He has stated that he has a client with past involvement with 1501 and the client is simply trying to stay ahead of the tidal wave. I appreciate the client's due dilligence and Legal's willingness to share the info he does. I am quite certain that he knows much more than he shares here but due to his position is not able to share everything. If you read between the lines, it all makes sense and becomes a pretty clear picture.

For my two cents, I think it sucks that all this crap is going on anyway. I for one have been laying extremely low and not hunting or dreaming as often as I would like. I believe I am going to look more towards the high end agencies. While the pricing may be higher than street rate, I expect the quality as well as the opportunity to stay out of the way of the tidal wave is much higher as well.

Stay safe out there my friends!

SS

**Notime Los** · 10-03-11 08:21

It's also common that when when crimes related to morality become difficult to tie together for a strong conviction, but there's financial evidence involved, the IRS gets called in. Remember e. Com? An indictment could take quite a while since this such an involved case as Leagle has stated.

I'm surprised he's bringing so much info to the table. Most keep their cards close to their chest to protect their case. Those on the other side of the table should really be paying close attention.

Originally Posted by Legal Eagle [View Original Post]

My1501 was operated independently as an LLC, Sunycide, but was in fact part of a larger pool of sex-industry operations that sipped from the same wellspring, in a manner of speaking. The criminal investigation has revealed links to other local operations and individuals whom law enforcement has wanted for some time due to their prostitution-related activities. Mongers who have been in this game for awhile will recognize several of the names associated with the local market once this investigation reaches the indictment stage.

The way these cases work is to establish which groups or companies operate in a given area and establish the ties between them. These ties often take the form of rotation of providers between and among the groups, rental or purchase of real estate to be used as a base of operations through identifiable, common or inter-related real estate agencies, interstate travel and other business activities linking the groups together. They also uniformly tend to use legitimate businesses as front operations to mask the true source of their wealth. It is no coincidence that these individuals socialize together, patronize the same businesses, recruit providers from the same sources and so forth. Individuals within the groups may argue that they operate separately, but a check into their inter-relationships reveals a much different picture.

If the prosecution can establish the links in a persuasive manner before a jury, the potential penalties can reach up to twenty years incarceration and fines and costs totaling more than a quarter of a million dollars. There is also the specter of seizure and forfeiture of business-related and personal assets traceable to illegal income. Those convicted of these offenses usually spend several years behind bars and rely on outside supporters to help them restart their operations (if possible) once they are released.

**Varoom** · 10-02-11 18:07

Primarily due to the close nature of two states and high degree of potential for interstate trafficing of females for illegal purposes. What you say to this Counselor?

This is sort the wire fraud charge of prostitution. A catch all so to speak when interstate illegal activity is involved. I believe the Mann Act has been used recently for other similar prosecutions. Holy shite Batman, these folks have much bigger problems than dealing with the Penguin.

Originally Posted by Legal Eagle [View Original Post]

My1501 was operated independently as an LLC, Sunycide, but was in fact part of a larger pool of sex-industry operations that sipped from the same wellspring, in a manner of speaking. The criminal investigation has revealed links to other local operations and individuals whom law enforcement has wanted for some time due to their prostitution-related activities. Mongers who have been in this game for awhile will recognize several of the names associated with the local market once this investigation reaches the indictment stage.

The way these cases work is to establish which groups or companies operate in a given area and establish the ties between them. These ties often take the form of rotation of providers between and among the groups, rental or purchase of real estate to be used as a base of operations through identifiable, common or inter-related real estate agencies, interstate travel and other business activities linking the groups together. They also uniformly tend to use legitimate businesses as front operations to mask the true source of their wealth. It is no coincidence that these individuals socialize together, patronize the same businesses, recruit providers from the same sources and so forth. Individuals within the groups may argue that they operate separately, but a check into their inter-relationships reveals a much different picture.

If the prosecution can establish the links in a persuasive manner before a jury, the potential penalties can reach up to twenty years incarceration and fines and costs totaling more than a quarter of a million dollars. There is also the specter of seizure and forfeiture of business-related and personal assets traceable to illegal income. Those convicted of these offenses usually spend several years behind bars and rely on outside supporters to help them restart their operations (if possible) once they are released.