Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=MikeFineli;1464486]Where is the best place to find a thin, white, young (<30) massage provider? Any Russian places? Preferably someone that actually does real massage.[/QUOTE]Mike, since you posted exactly the same question over on the Salt Lake City page of this forum, I'm guessing you're flexible as to city. You'll find more young white women doing massage in SLC than you ever will in Seattle. If you're in Seattle check the body rubs section of BP, you can probably what you want, but the store-front massage parlors are dominated by Asians.

King's has an ad on BP that says it's under new management and has new staff. For some reason I find this hard to believe.

I checked it out a long time ago but was very disapointed and left before things got rolling.

It's a bit of a drive for me, is it even worth checking out or can someone confirm that nothing has changed. (lake serene and euro are ok. Thinking about trying something in bellevue)

Markos

[QUOTE=Lone Biker;1468348]Mike, since you posted exactly the same question over on the Salt Lake City page of this forum, I'm guessing you're flexible as to city. You'll find more young white women doing massage in SLC than you ever will in Seattle. If you're in Seattle check the body rubs section of BP, you can probably what you want, but the store-front massage parlors are dominated by Asians.[/QUOTE]I'm in Seattle this week and SLC a different week (which I why I posted separately). In NYC, I like [url]http://upscalebodyrubs.com[/url] And I'm hoping there is something like that in Seattle?

[QUOTE=MikeFineli; 1468649]I'm in Seattle this week and SLC a different week (which I why I posted separately). In NYC, I like.

[url]http://upscalebodyrubs.com[/url]

And I'm hoping there is something like that in Seattle?[/QUOTE]If you're willing to head up to Vancouver, BC you'll find plenty to choose from including places with ads right there on the sidewalk. The nicer ones have rooms similar to that of an upscale hotel and feature very attractive ladies (including thin white ones).

[QUOTE=Freedom Lover;1423377]Anybody tried Touch of Class on 4th Street?[/QUOTE]I was speaking to an aquaintance (Asian woman) recently who told me she was thinking of investing in a spa business. As she described the business, I grew more and more suspicious it was an AMP, though she didn't seem to have a clue. She was hesitant to invest because it was in such a bad location (4th Street) , and the landlord refused to fix up the exterior. Yet she'd seen the owner's tax returns, she made ALOT of money, and the spa was very busy with walk-in customers who mostly paid cash. I finally asked the name of the place, it was A Touch of Class.

While all signs point to AMP right now, I doubt it will be if my friend gets involved. Honestly, I think she believes drop-in customers are showing up to plunk down $100 cash for a backrub and a pedicure. Part of her hesitancy was not having experience hiring qualified massage therapists. Though she's from Asia, she's married to a white American, at least one kid and one currently under construction, I can't imagine her knowingly getting into something that would threaten her legal status.

Here's the ad in Backpage Massage section: [url]http://seattle.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/bellevue-asian-massage/8936387[/url]

Very clean, new and professional looking building. Private rooms. Massage was not particularly sensual. More athletic and medical in nature. Very good massage though. She came in wearing a lab coat as though she were a doctor or something. $80 base charge, which is a bit higher than some. Shower available, but no table shower.

I had my doubts at first, but in the end the tone of the engagement changed quite a bit and I was not disappointed. A bit of surreal experience in a number of ways. Senior Members feel free to pm me for details.

-FL

[QUOTE=Lone Biker; 1470126]I was speaking to an aquaintance (Asian woman) recently who told me she was thinking of investing in a spa business. As she described the business, I grew more and more suspicious it was an AMP, though she didn't seem to have a clue. She was hesitant to invest because it was in such a bad location (4th Street) , and the landlord refused to fix up the exterior. Yet she'd seen the owner's tax returns, she made ALOT of money, and the spa was very busy with walk-in customers who mostly paid cash. I finally asked the name of the place, it was A Touch of Class.

While all signs point to AMP right now, I doubt it will be if my friend gets involved. Honestly, I think she believes drop-in customers are showing up to plunk down $100 cash for a backrub and a pedicure. Part of her hesitancy was not having experience hiring qualified massage therapists. Though she's from Asia, she's married to a white American, at least one kid and one currently under construction, I can't imagine her knowingly getting into something that would threaten her legal status.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, thanks for the feedback. I happened to be across the street from it some time ago. Probably several months ago at this point. An Asian lady and a white man walked inside. They looked like a couple and it was morning, so I assumed it was the owners and it made me think it probably wasn't an AMP. Based on your info though, maybe I'll give it a shot. I mean, who doesn't want a touch of class? Besides... new places can be frustrating but also exciting.

Magnu,

The AMP Tips and Guidelines link that Shogun referred to you is a good thing to read when starting into this hobby. Here are a few other things that you might want to consider:

1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside. Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your I'd. You will need money or a credit card to pay. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.

2) Entry into the AMP. Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say Hello, to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.

3) Become a Repeat Customer. This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times, ' have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.

3a) Get / Present a Business Card. Some AMPs have business cards so you can ask for one on your way out. I have the girls write their name on them so I didn't forget and I could "ask" for them when I go back. Even if they weren't there on my visit, it showed the new provider or mama-san that I was there before. If you walk in with a business card and ask for a specific girl, that's a pretty big clue you're back for more.

3b) Fake Being a Repeat Customer. If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. And have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!

3c) If you are a new Customer. You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.

3d) Prove you are not LE. If a provider thinks you are a cop, you will most likely NOT get any extras. This is why some check your drivers license (although I haven't had that happen). Some are content with the "Are you a cop?"/"no" routine. Others want to be sure so tips like being free with your nudity, placing her hands on your genitals, or anything else that leads them to believe you are a normal guy not looking to bust them. That's pretty much the whole point of being a repeat customer.

4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP. Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.

5) Use Provided "Purse". Many times, you will see a little purse or bag that is there for you to put valuables in. Use it to put your "valuables" in and carry that with you to other areas of the spa. You may go to a sauna, hot-tub, shower, or table-shower. Since you won't have pockets, look for the little bag and carry it with you. If they don't have one, you can ask for one. In some places, you may just stay in the room you were brought into the entire time (no shower). In this case, you will be able to keep an eye on your things. If you are leaving the room and are worried, look for something to carry your valuables in. NOTE: Having your things in the little bag is a neat clue to the girl that you have done this before.

Generally you will find that Asian massage parlors are very honest, and you don't have to be as careful with your possessions as with 'other' massage parlor providers. Not trying to be racist here, but my experience (after 25+ years) in this hobby proves that to be true.

6) Bring your own condom. The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.

7) Shower Etiquette. Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.

Revision 1: A mamasan once told me: Cops won't shower. The level of vulnerability is way too high. No badge. No gun. No wire. It's just too risky. I am sure there have been exceptions, but by taking a shower, you really help put them all at ease, not to mention your provider, who will just be happy you are clean.

8) Enjoy the Massage. It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.

9) Lose the Towel. If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.

10) Become Aroused. Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.

11) Wait to Flip Over. At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.

12) The "Tip". The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (I. E. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing. One thing some guys recommend is leaving the tip out in advance. But, I know some guys here recommend strongly against it, but I have always found it works to strip down, lie down, and have the money sitting on the counter before the girl returns to the room. The only times I've ever had to haggle is when I didn't do that.

13) The Fun Part. When she returns (or starts) , it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.

14) Variations. If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.

15) Happy Ending. After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.

16) Be Polite. I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f*k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.

17) Learn the Language. If you can learn Korean / Chinese / etc, you will most likely have an easier time communicating what you want in an AMP. The most difficult part is telling them what you want or trying to listen to their broken english. You'll most likely find yourself in a vulnerable position making the "BJ" motion followed by a dollar amount. Learning their native tongue, or a few phrases, can improve your experience.

18) Post Your Experience. We don't need every detail, but posting in the city forum where the AMP / Spa is located will help everyone with certain details of locations and pricing and if anything beyond a massage happened. Price and extras vary from region to region. If you get ripped off at a place, tell us that too and we'll appreciate you "taking one for the team.

This is just based on my experience in AMPs over the last 30+ years, as well as some tips I've picked up from other hobby mongers. If you have some additional helpful hints, please add them to the list. It will help all of us who are in the 'hobby'.

Enjoy the hobby,

Dirty.

[QUOTE=Magnu; 1448125]Newbie here. Went to AMP in Bellevue, by gun store and Thai food Place.

Bare, nice backside massage, worked butt muscles well! After flip, I asked if there was anything extra. Got solid No!

Disappointed because I read good recommendation about this place from here.

Did I do wrong by asking?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Freedom Lover;1473121]I happened to be across the street from it some time ago. Probably several months ago at this point. An Asian lady and a white man walked inside. They looked like a couple and it was morning, so I assumed it was the owners and it made me think it probably wasn't an AMP.[/QUOTE]My first thought was the couple you saw might be my investor friend and her husband. Keep in mind I'm not saying it is an AMP, it just sounds that way from the customer base she described, and the fact the owner is clearing six figures for herself.

I'll be in the Seattle area In July. Any recommendations? Pm me if anyone is visiting Hawaii.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a provider at Lake Serene? I haven't been there in years. It appears that whom ever is posting their ads on BP is also posting for Kings and VIP (all ads look the same format, etc.) I've become bored with the place across the street, although they always provide good service. Feel free to pm me if you don't want to post names on the board (I understand the AMP provider subject can be touchy.) Also, if you have any other suggestions for another AMP that would be great too.

Thank you,

-LCB

[url]http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/lbs/3124444589.html[/url]

Thought about stopping in and trying them out. If you have anything, feel free to PM me!

[QUOTE=Grizbearj; 1498389][url]http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/lbs/3124444589.html[/url]

Thought about stopping in and trying them out. If you have anything, feel free to PM me![/QUOTE]This is the phone number for Far East. They offer a great theraputic massage with HE.

[QUOTE=Markosamer; 1468614]King's has an ad on BP that says it's under new management and has new staff. For some reason I find this hard to believe.

I checked it out a long time ago but was very disapointed and left before things got rolling.

It's a bit of a drive for me, is it even worth checking out or can someone confirm that nothing has changed. (lake serene and euro are ok. Thinking about trying something in bellevue)

Markos[/QUOTE]I was there recently (last weekend). I have no idea if it has changed or not because it was the first time at that place. They have the whole menu there. Mama-san is pretty nice and knows how to treat her customers. I got a glimpse of the 3 that were there at that time. Look pretty good to me, I had a mid-30s chick with a nice rack. PM for further details.

Hello all, I normally haunt in bellevue to Kirkland, but I was wondering is the going rate for FS still 160 for kings, euro, golden, etc?

Thanks Extra