I'm going to be visiting PHL next month and have been doing some heavy fishing.
Anyone care to trade notes?
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I'm going to be visiting PHL next month and have been doing some heavy fishing.
Anyone care to trade notes?
I'm lucky enough to have a gorgeous one to trade. Pm if you have the same.
Any members who remember this petite ginger with glasses and a perfect body please PM me to see if she is still active. Even if she's not, lets discuss.
Met a stunning tiny Asian girl. She dressed nicely and provided outstanding GFE service. Spotted her at F and Allegheny. I waited for her closer to G St after I saw her walking east. I only asked for her # but was pleasantly surprised when she asked if I had time now! I have a # but she has a sugar daddy and asked that I be discreet. I'll message her this week and keep you posted. She is 22, long black hair, can't be more then 4'10". 90 lbs. Said she is from S Jersey and has been a dancer. Service was top notch. 9 out of 10 on looks, 9 out of ten on hygiene. 8 out of 10 on service.
Let's get this forum active. I can't be the only guy in Philly who finds most of the street girls and escorts to be far below average, and who likes to spend the night with beautiful and intelligent college girls for 2-300 per meet.
I have a regular SB right now so I haven't been all that active on Seeking lately. And of course, the problem with sharing intel about SA girls is that the really good ones don't usually stick around all that long. They often find an ongoing arrangement and leave the site. But when I was living in the midwest, the local forum was great for sharing intel, both the good ones and the scammers, so we could all save time.
I know this girl is real. I never met her but she's asking 400 per meet. Some searching will show she also has a page on Model Mayhem. She's been looking for a while so maybe she'll be willing to negotiate.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a6a51762-d573-4abd-80e4-3652830c9319[/URL]
I didn't meet this one either, but I found her social media and she seems to be real. It's been a little while since we talked, but she was ok with 200 per meet.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/36c94967-ccf1-459d-8f6b-7c3a6fa68ca5[/URL]
I didn't follow through with this one because I thought her expectations were a bit high, I think she wanted 500. She may be willing to negotiate but before I had a chance to try, I met my current SB so I bailed on this one.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ee4ce3f5-0f79-46ba-812f-04d627e17ab6[/URL]
This one has unrealistic expectations, she wants 1000 per meet.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0a5babf8-f121-4c92-9760-24765d45eb35[/URL]
This one wants 400, I never met her and didn't try to negotiate because I didn't get a great vibe from her and I don't think we share any interests. She looks tall and slim though, which I like.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1e2eee99-cac2-4188-8f3c-6a164f688d11[/URL]
I'll renew my membership probably after the holidays. My current SB is in her last semester of school so when she's done, she'll leave town and I'll be looking again. So I'll have better intel then.
I completely agree that the game is very weak with the escorts and streets. The only thing I can't handle is the sign up and credit card bullshit on the SA type sites. Can you use a pre-paid card and remain anonymous?
[QUOTE=LikeMFlat;3995931]Let's get this forum active. I can't be the only guy in Philly who finds most of the street girls and escorts to be far below average, and who likes to spend the night with beautiful and intelligent college girls for 2-300 per meet.
I have a regular SB right now so I haven't been all that active on Seeking lately. And of course, the problem with sharing intel about SA girls is that the really good ones don't usually stick around all that long. They often find an ongoing arrangement and leave the site. But when I was living in the midwest, the local forum was great for sharing intel, both the good ones and the scammers, so we could all save time.
I know this girl is real. I never met her but she's asking 400 per meet. Some searching will show she also has a page on Model Mayhem. She's been looking for a while so maybe she'll be willing to negotiate.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a6a51762-d573-4abd-80e4-3652830c9319[/URL]
I didn't meet this one either, but I found her social media and she seems to be real. It's been a little while since we talked, but she was ok with 200 per meet.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/36c94967-ccf1-459d-8f6b-7c3a6fa68ca5[/URL]
I didn't follow through with this one because I thought her expectations were a bit high, I think she wanted 500. She may be willing to negotiate but before I had a chance to try, I met my current SB so I bailed on this one.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ee4ce3f5-0f79-46ba-812f-04d627e17ab6[/URL]
This one has unrealistic expectations, she wants 1000 per meet.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0a5babf8-f121-4c92-9760-24765d45eb35[/URL]
This one wants 400, I never met her and didn't try to negotiate because I didn't get a great vibe from her and I don't think we share any interests. She looks tall and slim though, which I like.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1e2eee99-cac2-4188-8f3c-6a164f688d11[/URL]
I'll renew my membership probably after the holidays. My current SB is in her last semester of school so when she's done, she'll leave town and I'll be looking again. So I'll have better intel then.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Lewdsun;3998286]I completely agree that the game is very weak with the escorts and streets. The only thing I can't handle is the sign up and credit card bullshit on the SA type sites. Can you use a pre-paid card and remain anonymous?
.[/QUOTE]I'm not a member at the moment and things do keep changing. Honestly Seeking is a mess, they keep making changes and it's usually for the worst. But I've had much better luck there than finding SBs in the wild. I've tried tinder and I've had good luck finding normal girls, even some college students with daddy issues, and I've seen some hardened pros, but I haven't found anyone who I'd classify as an SB. I'm not suggesting sugar dating isn't prostitution, but there's a big difference between a former BP girl and a college student who has maybe only done this a few times before, if at all.
Using prepaid cards was always a hassle with SA. They use some overseas credit card processor, so many cards didn't work. I had been using PayPal. I made a burner PayPal account under a burner email, and funded it with prepaid gift cards. As it stands now, if you sign up on the website they want you to do a recurring membership which you can cancel at any time I believe. Not sure if they've changed credit card processors. But if you use the android or iPhone app, you can pay with google pay, which you can also easily fund with gift cards.
So it's a hassle but definitely possible. And I've NEVER used my real name or email with Seeking. They're bound to get hacked eventually, just like Ashley Madison did.
As you may be aware, the Richmond, VA thread on sugarbabies is something of a standard reference for guys all over, not just in that area.
I had all but given up on mongering in the US. Too many risks, not enough reward. I travel quite a bit and have had some great experiences in places like Brazil, the Philippines, etc. And I often schedule layovers in Germany so I can hit the FKK clubs there. But since I found SA a few years ago, I haven't even been back to Germany. I may go early next year, but I'm not looking forward to it the way I used to.
I talked to this girl and found her social media, so she's definitely real. She's ready to go for 300 per meet. She's not quite as thin as I like, but she's got a great ass, and her face is pretty. Also great lips. I mostly passed because I had better options at the time. She seems like a really sweet girl and her story checks out. I never tried to negotiate the price but she may be flexible.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7a0f8392-b1fe-40f9-8a63-fc3a51033fc2[/URL]
What do you guys do for messaging? I'm an okay looking guy if I do say so myself, on the younger end of the SD spectrum. I have one black SB right now I'm happy with for 250 a meet, but I wanted to get a few more, but I'm not finding it easy to get women to respond to my messages more than a couple times. I'm not being rude or anything either, just straightforward. I usually get a very high response rate for my first message, but the moment I try to move the conversation off the site and onto texting to discuss the details of an arrangement, I get ghosted. I doubt its the money either. I made a fake female account to check out my competition and I'm definitely doing much better financially than the vast majority of guys on the site.
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4008482]What do you guys do for messaging? I'm an okay looking guy if I do say so myself, on the younger end of the SD spectrum. I have one black SB right now I'm happy with for 250 a meet, but I wanted to get a few more, but I'm not finding it easy to get women to respond to my messages more than a couple times. I'm not being rude or anything either, just straightforward. I usually get a very high response rate for my first message, but the moment I try to move the conversation off the site and onto texting to discuss the details of an arrangement, I get ghosted. I doubt its the money either. I made a fake female account to check out my competition and I'm definitely doing much better financially than the vast majority of guys on the site.[/QUOTE]It's hard to say why this is happening without seeing your messages or knowing what your approach is. Some girls will just flake and ghost no matter what you do. It's frustrating. But usually if I can get a few messages back and forth, they're wiling to text at that point. And if they keep texting I can usually get them to meet for coffee.
I treat SA like a normal dating site for the most part, but I'll mention in my initial message that I'm generous or something to that effect. Then if she asks what I'm looking for I'll usually mention an allowance of some kind. The main thing is not to offend her and not to seem creepy. The main thing is to keep her engaged, ask her interesting questions and be interesting and courteous. I always ask at least one question in my messages and texts, so she'll have something to respond to. That seems to be really important with the girls on SA.
But it also depends on what kind of girl you're talking to. If you're talking to a more experienced SBs or one of the more hardened escorts, then if you don't get to the financial discussion quickly they'll ghost. Although those girls usually bring it up themselves. I won't argue the semantics, anyone hooking up for money is engaging in prostitution. But the college girls and girls who have had no arrangements before, or maybe only one or two, definitely don't see themselves as escorts. So they may be easily offended if you're too forward in your discussions. Those are the girls I try to message, so that's why I take the approach I mentioned.
Stick with it. SA takes some time and sometimes the girls make you want to rip your hair out in frustration. But it's worth it when you find a really good one.
I don't go back and forth too much, is maybe what I was thinking. I don't like to waste time, so I'll send an initial message, usually something that probably generates a chuckle based on something on her profile, and then in the next 2-3 messages I try to move things to texting and specific arrangement details. Maybe I need to take more time and nurture the relationship along or something? But that's not really what I'm looking for. If I wanted to commit a bunch of time to that, I'd just use one of the many other free normal dating apps out there instead of trying to find a SB and short circuit the path to hooking up.
I do definitely see what you're getting at about the whole college girl thing. They are the type of women I'm shooting for, and I definitely do get the vibe that they don't want to be treated as escorts or anything like that, even though, lets be honest, they're getting paid for intimacy at the end of the day. I guess I got to play along though and pretend its something more than it is though.
When you say you're "generous" my concern with a message like that would be that then the girl might expect you to offer an unreasonable dollar figure and see you as an easy mark or something. My normal offers are between $$ and $$ per meet depending on how attracted I am to the girl, and what other expenses I might need to cover (e. G. If she can host, I can save on hotel costs, if she doesn't want care about date activities, I can save some money, etc.). Would you qualify that as "generous" for the philly metro region?
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4009788]I don't go back and forth too much, is maybe what I was thinking. I don't like to waste time, so I'll send an initial message, usually something that probably generates a chuckle based on something on her profile, and then in the next 2-3 messages I try to move things to texting and specific arrangement details. Maybe I need to take more time and nurture the relationship along or something? But that's not really what I'm looking for. If I wanted to commit a bunch of time to that, I'd just use one of the many other free normal dating apps out there instead of trying to find a SB and short circuit the path to hooking up.
I do definitely see what you're getting at about the whole college girl thing. They are the type of women I'm shooting for, and I definitely do get the vibe that they don't want to be treated as escorts or anything like that, even though, lets be honest, they're getting paid for intimacy at the end of the day. I guess I got to play along though and pretend its something more than it is though.
When you say you're "generous" my concern with a message like that would be that then the girl might expect you to offer an unreasonable dollar figure and see you as an easy mark or something. My normal offers are between $$ and $$ per meet depending on how attracted I am to the girl, and what other expenses I might need to cover (e. G. If she can host, I can save on hotel costs, if she doesn't want care about date activities, I can save some money, etc.). Would you qualify that as "generous" for the philly metro region?[/QUOTE]Ideally I try to get their number within 3-4 messages (one way, or 6-8 total). But it depends on the situation, you just have to try to gauge her comfort level and interest. I don't take too much time with messaging. It's really hard to build a genuine connection via messaging or text so as with any other kind of dating, the main goal of messaging is to get her number. And the main goal of texting is to get her to meet.
Not sure if I agree with you on the idea that if you're going to commit time, you should use a normal dating app. But it depends on you and what you're looking for. One can choose to use SA in different ways. If you're on SA looking for escorts or older women, it's really easy and fast to find them. But if you're looking for the best looking young college girls, it is a lot of work and I'd say that using SA takes just as much energy as a normal dating app. The difference is that the allowance allows you to date out of your league, in terms of looks and age.
I'm in my late 30's but can pass for early 30's. I can easily date fairly attractive women in their late 20's and early 30's. But on SA, with an allowance, I can see very attractive 18-24 year old college students who, for the most part, wouldn't be available to me on a normal dating site. Most 20-year-old college students would never even see my tinder profile and if they did, they'd likely swipe right based on my age alone. SA is most definitely NOT the easiest way to find a quick fuck. But it is probably the best venue to find very attractive and low-volume girls. The best girls on SA easily rival very high end NYC escorts asking for a grand an hour. Of course there are some really nice girl-next-door types too.
Of course I don't see much difference between SBs and escorts, other than the fact that you can get a much better value from SBs. Of course, there are some girls on SA not looking for an allowance, or who are open to vanilla dating if you get along well. I've had a few freebies and even dated a few girls I met there. But those are rare and you definitely need to put in some time. I had two nice dating relationships on SA and a few hookups / fwbs.
I usually start at 250 and maybe go to 300, but that's for what I consider to be the best looking students on SA. When I was in the midwest I saw most girls for 200, but the best girls in Philly seem to be asking a bit more, which is fair. I don't think that really qualifies as generous, but no one has ever called me out on it. The girls looking for the really high numbers, $500-1000 per meet or a high monthly allowance, usually mention that right up front and I thank them for their time and move on. If you're looking for more of the UTR escort type, then perhaps being more up front is a good idea. But here's why I like that language when hitting up new SBs. It's not at all legally incriminating nor will it get your SA account deleted. It won't turn off girls who are looking to vanilla date a more successful guy. And finally, it's not sleazy and won't scare off girls who are doing this for the first time.
Pretty much every girl I've met on SA has told me they hate it when a guy's first or second message is "let's go to my hotel for $xxx", but pretty much all of them have been willing to go back to my place for the same amount after meeting in person for coffee or a drink.
I was thinking about SA from the perspective of. I have little time but money to spend, I'm going to short circuit the whole "hookup" process with money and meet and sleep with 18-24 year old beautiful women, who, like you said, would probably be out of my league. I kinda figured I'd be paying for speeding up the process and improving my odds w / beautiful women. I'm a little bit younger than you, so I guess I COULD potentially hook up normally with some of these women (though I'd still probably be a bit too old for them) but with a bunch of difficulty and a low chance of success and high time / energy commitment.
I figured by spending money, I'd lower the difficulty and time / energy commitment and increase my chances, and maybe it has, but not by any significant amount. I guess it gets my foot in the door, but I still have to work my ass off to close the deal, which is what I was looking to avoid. Like I said before, I do already have a sugar relationship for 250 ppm which I'm happy with, and I'd be willing to pay more than that for more of the right women, but I kinda just figured it would be a lot easier and faster to find these relationships since that's what I thought the money was for.
I'm forward about wanting to set up an arrangement with women in my messages but I don't explicitly mention the intimacy portion until its over text, so I don't really know why I'm being ghosted so often on messages after a couple back and forths.
In any case thanks for your wisdom and wealth of knowledge!
[QUOTE=Glhfddka;4013842]I was thinking about SA from the perspective of. I have little time but money to spend, I'm going to short circuit the whole "hookup" process with money and meet and sleep with 18-24 year old beautiful women, who, like you said, would probably be out of my league. I kinda figured I'd be paying for speeding up the process and improving my odds w / beautiful women. I'm a little bit younger than you, so I guess I COULD potentially hook up normally with some of these women (though I'd still probably be a bit too old for them) but with a bunch of difficulty and a low chance of success and high time / energy commitment.
I figured by spending money, I'd lower the difficulty and time / energy commitment and increase my chances, and maybe it has, but not by any significant amount. I guess it gets my foot in the door, but I still have to work my ass off to close the deal, which is what I was looking to avoid. Like I said before, I do already have a sugar relationship for 250 ppm which I'm happy with, and I'd be willing to pay more than that for more of the right women, but I kinda just figured it would be a lot easier and faster to find these relationships since that's what I thought the money was for.
I'm forward about wanting to set up an arrangement with women in my messages but I don't explicitly mention the intimacy portion until its over text, so I don't really know why I'm being ghosted so often on messages after a couple back and forths.
In any case thanks for your wisdom and wealth of knowledge![/QUOTE]Sometimes it works out that way. One of my favorite SBs was a 19-year-old college student. I wrote to her one evening. She had replied in the morning, and during the day we messaged then texted. We met that night and hooked up. She's one of the most beautiful girls I've been with. Blond hair, 5'9", slim but with nice tits, and a truly beautiful face. I almost bailed on her because she asked if she could bring a friend to the meet and greet. But I'm really glad I didn't. I saw her often until I moved out of town, and I still see her once in a while when we're in the same area. I've had a few other girls who I met and hooked up with within a day or two. You do need some amount of flexibility and you need to be ready to jump in if you meet a good one.
Another time I messaged a girl, moved to text, then met her for coffee the next morning. She was almost an hour late. This is why I often schedule meet and greets for coffee at a place I like. Even if she doesn't show I'll have a good coffee and breakfast. I would usually not wait an hour for a girl, but she looked beautiful in her photos. When she showed up, I was finished my coffee and I was about to leave. She was a mess. She was high, smelled like stale weed, maybe a little drunk, and still had her makeup on from partying the night before. She was a bit of a narcissist and a wannabe model, but she was also friendly and sweet. She was so out of it that when we left the coffeeshop she literally walked right into a parked car and fell over. I was thinking I'd never see her again. But later that day she texted me, apologized, and we made a date for the next evening. She also turned out to be really great, and she was also among the most beautiful girls I've been with.
I guess my point is that an arrangement can speed things up if you meet the right person. But it still takes time to find the good ones.
Depending on how young you are, some girls may be ghosting because a LOT of the very young guys on SA are just looking to hook up for free. Perhaps in your case, you should mention an allowance a little earlier so they know you're serious. But honestly, a lot of girls on SA are flakes, it goes with the territory. It may be helpful to pay attention to the local college schedules. If it's mid-terms or exam week, for example, it's going to be more difficult.
I couldn't verify if this girl is real. But we talked a bit on the site and I got her number. I'd be curious if any of you saw her. She was ready to go for $300. But I had just met another girl at the time so I passed.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/11bcf514-f161-4ba8-9aad-d40f205d7465[/URL]