Legal Discussions / Raids / Busts
Since the recent raid of My1501 and other local busts have become such a huge discussion among some members here and has been clogging up our forum for several weeks ongoing now and and many have requested we stop or take it to a new thread, I started this one.
Those interested can continue the discussion here and I'm certain My1501 won't be the last so now interested parties can come here to discuss recent busts, news articles/events, etc in relation to our hobby
*Dear Jackson, if this category name is not a good one, please feel free to edit mine. Thanks in advance!
Legaleagle, ill be here and waiting end od day apology. Jtb answers
[QUOTE=Jim True Blue; 1267184]I have a police report right in front of me (not for 1501 but on another case). The "run" time is in 24 hr time at the top of the page and then time in the content of the report is on a 12 hr clock just as this copy is so apparently that is standard for a police report. Thus John's copy could be legit.
Additionally the paper is crumpled probably because he obtained a copy and then he folded it and put it in his pocket, because he probably didn't know he was going to be asked to scan it and show it to you on this site. This to me, makes it seem more like a legit copy. If I was going to,"alter" a copy by retyping it and posting it on here, it wouldn't be crumpled. Now fellows as you can see by the repeated requests on here from members, we are being asked to move this to a thread. I have created a thread that shows near the bottom of live threads on the home page. It is tltled "Legal Discussions". Join me down there from now on, will you?[/QUOTE]I can promise this document was obtained from and written by jeffersonville and indy police on what happened during the session, legal you really need to man / woman up and accept some people knew more than you and your informants werent totally truthful. As far as wrinkled paper, yes it has been folded for a week sitting in a bowl at my house, didn't think I would have to defend the truth on here, but after being called out and pretty much called a liar, I opened it and scanned it just to shut legal up. But if you go back, my whole reason I brought this up wasnt to have a debate on what happened, it was to ask lawyers / or people who know more than I do, can this officer legally due this and can he be held responsible for his actions? I can't believe an officer can legally due this without any consequences and if he can legally, I want to know morally / ethically what does his superiors, community, family think about his actions? I thought years ago the officers in lmpd were given reprimands and suspensions for theses same actions, anyone with info or opinion, I would like to hear.
I'll rely on what my sources indicate as well as those who are logical and reasonable
Thanks for your response, Jim. The comparison with the other report in your possession is definitely helpful. It explains several of what appeared to be logical discrepancies in the report. The complete original report should answer any remaining questions. It should also confirm the information reflected in the computer and video records seized during the police investigation. This is the only source which reflects all the relevant information upon which to form an objective opinion about this case.
As for the other "gentleman" participating in this discussion, you indicated that you and I had nothing further to discuss. You're correct about at least one fact.
The report, though incomplete, is legitimate.
First things first: The document provided to all of us for review is an accurate portion of a larger, multi-page report submitted by law enforcement in the My1501 case. It was not initially included in the public record of the case (for any of the defendants,) but was provided to defense counsel shortly after court appearances were scheduled. JBG did provide an accurate portion of a more detailed report. While I don't apologize for questioning the legitimacy of the partial document (several commentators here in the forum did as well,) I do apologize for questioning the accuracy of JBG's source. The document is verifiable and the portion submitted an accurate reflection of what appears to be documentation prepared by law enforcement.
The former employees charged in the case did initially deny wrongdoing. This is not unusual in criminal cases, of course. These denials were not limited to those in law enforcement, however. This is the reason my sources indicated that there were no assertions of sexual conduct made by anyone publicly. That was true at the time this information was provided, but changed once preliminary information requests were made and negotiations began. I can only assume that the initial and out-of-court denials were upon advice of counsel. The better approach would have been for the defendants simply not to say anything to anyone outside of court, law enforcement or counsel so that nothing could come back to challenge the veracity of the those defendants making statements to LEO. This notwithstanding, the alleged sexual conduct will soon be made public should settlement negotiations break down.
Should any of these cases proceed to trial preparation, what will also become public record is the computer spreadsheet information reflecting the "who did what to whom" information. Defense counsel may already be in possession of this information. This information is also verifiable, and may be accessed once the completed case summaries are disclosed in discovery (that may, for reasons of privacy, be the only way to obtain them at this stage of the litigation.)
Finally, media reports surrounding the client list information appear to be correct. The case summary notes that documentation identifying visitors to the location was obtained during the search. I cannot confirm from the report alone the content of the video feed described in media reports, however. My sources indicate that the video feed captured more than just the common areas of the Indiana location. Rather than repeat what I stated earlier, I'll wait to observe the portions of the feed once those are released.
Keep your ear to the ground.
September 8th should prove to be an interesting day. Those of you paying attention will understand the relevance of this date. A deal is in the works, and "specifics" are supposed to be made public on or around the scheduled appearance. LEO is creeping further up the food chain-way up, and a decision is coming in the next couple of weeks that will determine whether that "other shoe" we've been waiting for will drop.
Several of you have commented and asked questions about the "shift" that took place, noticeably so. You're not the only ones that noticed. Recall that "A rolling stone gathers no moss." It doesn't garner criminal charges either. If this reads like a horoscope, consider why and control your activities accordingly.