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I am reposting a post under reports by Very Slowly here because it might just save someone serious grief. VS knows what he is talking about. Please listen to him.
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]Time Friday night 6:15 P.M.(11/18/05)
Cleo's titty Bar
Decent looking white woman 35-40 walking back and forth on the side street next to Cleo's (dirt rd.) too clean and sharp looking, dressed in black, shoes too nice, hair too nice etc., raised my neck hairs.
She only walked about 25yd's each way so I passed her up the dirt road and she gives me the head tilt and smile, I pull into the completely empty back lot of Cleo's and park and kill my lights. Any legitimate SW would have ran to my car and jumped in, she just looked and kept pacing between the corner and 1/2 way down the white bldg. I just knew it was a sting, so I sat and watched. A monger in a little red car pulls up and she goes to the drivers side window, I'm praying this guy is hip and thennnn 3 cars roll out from behind the bldg.and he's nailed. He panics and starts to pull off and then I guess he saw all the lights and he stops. They pulled out and just as they approached she heads for the back of his car likes she's going to get in and then she heads off along the bldg. My heart was in my mouth but I couldn't do SH-- because if I had done anything, I would have been arrested for interfearing with a police undercover operation. How many of you knew about that little "gem" of a law? The same law applies if you flash your lights at oncoming traffic to warn other drivers of a speedtrap. I watched for awhile and the same girl was out again about 5 min. later but she didn't snare anybody so they put another tall chick with a t-shirt smoking a cigarette out there and Bingo another monger popped! I got sick and left. I hope it was none of us, all I can say is RTFB and learn, these dudes broke all the rules but #1 is never talk to anybody who is not in your car,never,never,never---VS[/QUOTE]
Excellent posting and it's one of the reasons I started using the Board. Registration should also be mandatory on the Board before viewing posts.
The most important line of all...
but #1 is never talk to anybody who is not in your car,never,never,never
I will attending a conference the second week of Dec at a hotel adjacent to the convention center, I 'm looking for some advice from you local guys. SWs in the area? AMPs? I would also consider any leeds for a spinner gfe type, I've checked the oTHEr board it's tough to track locals to Orlando.
Thanks,
The Captain
Great tips, Florida cops are not allowed to get into a john's car.
Another good tip, don't buckle under pressure. Driving around is not against the law. Having a known prostitute in your car is not against the law. However, having drugs in your car (on her) is, and her squealing out on a prostitution charge to avoid the drug charge will screw you everytime.
Cops can stop you for just about any (real or not) reason, and if they smell a rat they'll push you and her until one of you cracks and takes you both down.
[QUOTE=Mwminfl2001]Great tips, Florida cops are not allowed to get into a john's car.[/QUOTE]Second time this week I've read this. I'd sure like to know where these gentleman are getting their information from.
[QUOTE=Lincoln Man]Second time this week I've read this. I'd sure like to know where these gentleman are getting their information from.[/QUOTE]
When the P.D. is doing a sting the most important consideration is Officer Safety, catching a "John" is not worth risking an officers safety for a crummy Misdemeanor arrest. If a female officer got in a car with "John" and he was a nut job and the situation got out of control and she got hurt or worse there would be hell to pay. Understand these are not highly trained undercover narcs or gang unit cops they are reasonably attractive patrol officers on temporary vice assignment. That's why when a monger pulls up they go to his window and "jerk him off" figuratively speaking. They "play" with him until he agrees to a sex act for money then they say a code phrase and the arresting officers do the swoop as she goes to the rear of the car acting as if she's going to get in, she never goes in front of the car. The monger is stunned by the noise and the lights like a deer in the headlights, most likely he exits the car and is arrested all the while stammering that he didn't do anything. And he really didn't "do" anything except run his mouth and agree to sex for money which is "soliciting for prostitution" and guess what, it is all on tape, just waiting for the judge to listen to.
If any of you have any questions about any of this crapola , just ask the old VS, I know everythingggggggg--VS
I was getting my crank twisted by Jo-Jo a foxy 25yo. blond, 10 0n a SW scale 8 real world, beautiful boobies, staying with her friend Michelle at the Economy as of Fri night. Nice slow soft BBBJWC (wc=with choke) She damn near choked to death on the load--Oh well!!
Her friend Michelle was decent as well,maybe a 6-7 Sw scale. Seemed realitively new to the game,took directions well---VS
While I agree that for the majority of times your assessment is accurate there is always the exception. Cops are human too, and things can happen when trying to secure a bust. (Ask me, I am only too aware of this.) My point was that I do not believe it's a "law" as stated in several posts that they not enter your vehichle.[QUOTE=VerySlowly]When the P.D. is doing a sting the most important consideration is Officer Safety, catching a "John" is not worth risking an officers safety for a crummy Misdemeanor arrest. If a female officer got in a car with "John" and he was a nut job and the situation got out of control and she got hurt or worse there would be hell to pay. Understand these are not highly trained undercover narcs or gang unit cops they are reasonably attractive patrol officers on temporary vice assignment. That's why when a monger pulls up they go to his window and "jerk him off" figuratively speaking. They "play" with him until he agrees to a sex act for money then they say a code phrase and the arresting officers do the swoop as she goes to the rear of the car acting as if she's going to get in, she never goes in front of the car. The monger is stunned by the noise and the lights like a deer in the headlights, most likely he exits the car and is arrested all the while stammering that he didn't do anything. And he really didn't "do" anything except run his mouth and agree to sex for money which is "soliciting for prostitution" and guess what, it is all on tape, just waiting for the judge to listen to.
If any of you have any questions about any of this crapola , just ask the old VS, I know everythingggggggg--VS[/QUOTE]
V·S is absolutely Correct = an UC·LEO will NOT get in·to your vehicle , under ANY circumstances
Here's more on this subject =
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[QUOTE=PsyberZombie]V·S is absolutely Correct = an UC·LEO will NOT get in·to your vehicle , under ANY circumstances[/QUOTE]And I will repeat this for those in the cheap seats...I am all too aware of things LEO should not do BUT WILL should they want to make a bust bad enough. And yes, I am referring to FL LEOs.
2 specific incidents come to mind:
1. In 1997, before I started mongering, I lived in O' Town off of Lancaster, East of the Trail. One Sunday morning early, I saw a very nice looking gal standing by the road North of Charley's, as I was turning to head into the neighborhood. She caught my eye, and whipped her jacket open to show me she was wearing a flesh colored tube top that left nothing to the imagination. I was stunned, and looked over my shoulder at my then 8 yr old son in the back seat to see if he had seen it. Fortunately he hadn't. A week later, I saw her again, near the same area, and pulled over, offering her a ride. She tried talking through the window, but I told her to get in. She seemed reticent, but finally did. She tried getting me to talk business, but I refused. I kept changing the subject until I got up by I-4, where I pulled over and told her that I didn't care if she chose to provide for herself by washing lizards, but not to do it near my house, stay in the district.
As I said this, she tipped her head down and started talking towards her tits, saying to stand down. I didn't get it until I looked up, and saw half a dozen cruisers, pickups, and unmarked swooping in on me. She remembered me from the week before, and apologized, saying they were trying to clean out that little hotel, and that she hadn't realized my son was in the car. I guess she was a rookie, as all the Uncles seemed angry with her, and ripped me for taking the law into my own hands.... I'm glad that's all I took into my hands.....
2. In Palm Bay, I have seen first hand where a girl got into a car and it was pulled over within 100 yrds. Other girls I know that are regulars in that area have said that they are female LE, and that they're actually getting into the cars on occasion there where they feel they can bottleneck the johns quickly. True, or not, I can't swear to, but that's what I've seen and heard.
Bottom line is, yeah, hopefully they'll play by the rules, and be easy to weed out, but like the Guvnah says, if you've got someone who's hungry for the bust, or a rookie, it's your word against theirs................
[QUOTE=Lincoln Man]And I will repeat this for those in the cheap seats...I am all too aware of things LEO should not do BUT WILL should they want to make a bust bad enough. And yes, I am referring to FL LEOs.[/QUOTE]
These days they would never get into your car. If you blow the decoy away while the others are trying to stop you, or you flee and get into a wreck with the decoy as a passenger, can you say multi-million doller lawsuit from the family of the officer. LE will risk a decoy for a big drug bust, the won't risk a decoy for a $250 fine misdemenor.
[QUOTE=Dave67]2 specific incidents come to mind:
1. In 1997, before I started mongering, I lived in O' Town off of Lancaster, East of the Trail. One Sunday morning early, I saw a very nice looking gal standing by the road North of Charley's, as I was turning to head into the neighborhood. She caught my eye, and whipped her jacket open to show me she was wearing a flesh colored tube top that left nothing to the imagination. I was stunned, and looked over my shoulder at my then 8 yr old son in the back seat to see if he had seen it. Fortunately he hadn't. A week later, I saw her again, near the same area, and pulled over, offering her a ride. She tried talking through the window, but I told her to get in. She seemed reticent, but finally did. She tried getting me to talk business, but I refused. I kept changing the subject until I got up by I-4, where I pulled over and told her that I didn't care if she chose to provide for herself by washing lizards, but not to do it near my house, stay in the district.
As I said this, she tipped her head down and started talking towards her tits, saying to stand down. I didn't get it until I looked up, and saw half a dozen cruisers, pickups, and unmarked swooping in on me. She remembered me from the week before, and apologized, saying they were trying to clean out that little hotel, and that she hadn't realized my son was in the car. I guess she was a rookie, as all the Uncles seemed angry with her, and ripped me for taking the law into my own hands.... I'm glad that's all I took into my hands.....
2. In Palm Bay, I have seen first hand where a girl got into a car and it was pulled over within 100 yrds. Other girls I know that are regulars in that area have said that they are female LE, and that they're actually getting into the cars on occasion there where they feel they can bottleneck the johns quickly. True, or not, I can't swear to, but that's what I've seen and heard.
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Response to #1----The law does not allow for an LE officer to dress provocativly or entice you in any way. That is why when you are busted they will take your picture with the decoy, who is dressed normally and not like a "hooker". This prevents an enticement defense. I don't know what happened to you 1997 but I've been here since the 80's and nothings changed. Understand I'm not calling you a liar, anything is possible, rules are broken and there are no absolutes in life except death and taxes. What I'm telling you is that the way it is done is the way I have said it is done ,there is not a major P.D. in any city that would do it much differently. To much risk to little payoff.
#2......There is much Myth, BS, rumor and Urban Legend in this arena as in any other area of life. Who hasn't heard about the Carburator that gets 200 MPG and was bought by the major oil companys and squashed or that the CIA killed J.F.K.,or about parking in a cemetary with some pussy, hearing a noise, taking off and the next day finding finding a bailing hook thru the back fender of the car or that Sheriff Berry lost 175 Lbs. on the Atkins diet. Lots and lots of stories once in a while they are true but quite truthfully if you don't try to find the exception to the rule and follow the rules posted by long time mongers you'll be just fine and if you do get caught by some strange unheard of trick...guess what...it's gonna cost you some money, some embarassment, some time and did I say some embarrassment buttttt it ain't the end of the world. If you search my posts I explain the whole process, yes there are minor variations in laws and systems change occasionally but the game remains the basically the same.
I have a request...... Will any monger that has been arrested by a female LE officer that got in his car, rode with him, and then either arrested him personally or was then pulled over and arrested please post the details and outcome of said arrest. Thanks--VS