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[QUOTE=Hornyhaole;1163054]FWIW, The Weekly isn't a "news" paper as such, it's an entertainment rag. Like most of its kind almost all the articles are soapboxes for some social cause or other. There's never been much point in reading those kinds of publications for anything resembling objective reporting.[/QUOTE]Same with Midweek.
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[QUOTE=Ocolumbo;1162985]I am paranoid that the option of mongering will be taken away, just when I have found it. I would like the option to be around for decades to come, [/QUOTE]As others have said, you can relax. I've been at it-on and off-for 17 years now. This kind of posturing is tied to election cycles and is meaningless in the mid to long term.
There's really not much more that can be done to prevent it legally, and actually the cops like it the way it is. It's an easy way for them to nail genuine bad guys in organized crime, and also pad their arrest quotas. Plus, lots of them see the girls in exchange for looking the other way. Hell, former NY governor and former state atty general Elliot Spitzer was removed from office when he was outed as a big time monger. And he had been known for busting "sex rings."
So PASS and their ilk will make some noise, maybe get some donations to their cause, and their naive supporters will tell themselves they've done something about evil male oppression of women.
Meanwhile, girls with looks and a need for fast cash will still be showing up and offering intimacies in exchange for your dollars. That's the part the believers in the oppression myth can't understand: there are plenty of girls who want to do this and they don't see what the big deal is.
It's not called the oldest profession for nothing (though I think cooking might be older). It's not going anywhere.
Though from what you say your savings might be. Self control is the key to safety when mongering.
Addendum: I didn't even mention the 600lb gorilla in the room-the military. It's not the same as the old days when the ratio of male to female enlisted was much greater, but it's still overwhelmingly male. Young males who spend months or years with zero chances of privacy with a willing girl. The local commanders can't say anything publicly, but they don't want to be bailing their guys out all the time for trying to get laid. These are guys who get shot at for a living, the least they deserve is some T&A when on leave. I think that if any serious kind of john felony gets close to passing, our elected officials will get some irate phone calls from guys with stars and eagles on their clothes.
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[QUOTE=Hornyhaole; 1163527]As others have said, you can relax. I've been at it-on and off-for 17 years now. This kind of posturing is tied to election cycles and is meaningless in the mid to long term.
There's really not much more that can be done to prevent it legally, and actually the cops like it the way it is. It's an easy way for them to nail genuine bad guys in organized crime, and also pad their arrest quotas. Plus, lots of them see the girls in exchange for looking the other way. Hell, former NY governor and former state atty general Elliot Spitzer was removed from office when he was outed as a big time monger. And he had been known for busting "sex rings."
So PASS and their ilk will make some noise, maybe get some donations to their cause, and their naive supporters will tell themselves they've done something about evil male oppression of women.
Meanwhile, girls with looks and a need for fast cash will still be showing up and offering intimacies in exchange for your dollars. That's the part the believers in the oppression myth can't understand: there are plenty of girls who want to do this and they don't see what the big deal is.
It's not called the oldest profession for nothing (though I think cooking might be older). It's not going anywhere.
Though from what you say your savings might be. Self control is the key to safety when mongering. [/QUOTE]It is not called the world's oldest profession for nothing.
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[QUOTE=Ocolumbo;1162985]I am paranoid that the option of mongering will be taken away, just when I have found it. I would like the option to be around for decades to come, regardless of how frequent or infrequent I choose the option. Main point is to have the option. Mahalo.[/QUOTE]Frankly, I don't think about this. If you think about it too much you don't focus on enjoying it now. Don't focus and worry about the the future of it. Enjoy it as much as you can now while it lasts.
If it does get taken away, at least you can look back and say that you lived it up and took advantage of it when it was around.
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[QUOTE=Uki Eater; 1163546]Frankly, I don't think about this. If you think about it too much you don't focus on enjoying it now. Don't focus and worry about the the future of it. Enjoy it as much as you can now while it lasts.
If it does get taken away, at least you can look back and say that you lived it up and took advantage of it when it was around. [/QUOTE]Our hobby have been around for ever. I believe that this hobby will be around for many more. If you slow down someone else will pick it up. It a cycle that will continue. Happy hunting.
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Further addendum
In case my previous post made it sound like I was ok with the status quo, let me make it clear that I'm not. I want full legalization and I want it now-for a slew of reasons. Everything from removing the risks of dealing with cops and dangerous criminals (for us and the girls) to driving down prices (though many girls won't like that one) to simply removing the retarded social stigma.
My beef with PASS and their type is not due to a fear they'll somehow be able to actually prevent it, it's that they and the voters they represent are the driving force perpetuating the cycle. If they got over it then the politicians and cops might move on to genuine social ills.
Thought it's just as likely something equally inane would replace it, like flag burning or satanism. People just looooove witch hunts.
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[QUOTE=Davidonecall;1163556]Our hobby have been around for ever. I believe that this hobby will be around for many more. If you slow down someone else will pick it up. It a cycle that will continue. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Yup. My first rented nan was in a KB SB. Then they got cracked-down on so I leaned more towards KB hostess bars; then they had to get rid of the barriers that formed their 'private tables'.
Then I stumbled upon my first AMP; aside from a single close-call, I've never been snagged in a raid but the last thing I wanna see anywhere that night is a cop. Then came Korean and Chinese indies, plus ones like Angela who I first met in an AMP.
I read the article in Ocolumbo's post and I really don't buy those kinds of statements, at least in our sector, only because in my experience, local girls have told me that they heard about the money Korean girls make and they want to get in on the action. "How Much Is Your Daughter Worth?"; go to Michelle's on Sheridan or Evergreen after 2 am and ask her.
Korean AMP girls today tell me the same thing Korean bar girls have told me 20 years ago when asked how they found the place (because really, we live here and we're asking each other "Where's this place?"-type questions): "I need money; my friend introduce me." Candy at Ichiban was one of the only girls I've interacted with who seemed unhappy where she was.
Well anyway, JR is absolutely right.
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[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa;1163265]Same with Midweek.[/QUOTE]Not so much entertainment as crappy shopping circular you receive whether you want it or not, but yeah. The "articles" in that one are there just to get a good postage rate.
At least the Weekly's arts and entertainment reviews have some value.
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Question
I have a question about PASS and human trafficking. Is human trafficking different from prostitution? When I think of human trafficking I think of scenes from movies when the girls are held against their will or women kidnapped and forced into prostitution. Of course, that is inhumane and shouldn't be tolerated in any country.
However, my main concern is that is PASS trying to sell their idea to the public that all these women at AMP's and women on backpage are being forced into prostitution? If so, Is anyone setting PASS straight and letting them know that these women have a choice. They aren't forced into this. All the girls I know want to be in the industry to make quick money. Most of them don't want to take on a 9-5. They can stop working whenever they feel like it. If they do want leave no one is going to hold a gun to their head. You don't even have that freedom if you are in the military.
I really don't understand PASS's argument about human trafficking. I would understand if they said we should have tougher laws on prostitution but why lie and say they these women are being trafficked. Also, Isn't it better to keep the girls in a more controlled and hidden area like an AMP vs putting them on the streets. I understand why groups like PASS are created but is someone informing them that it might do more harm to their cause by abolishing AMP's. There would be an adverse affect that will create a situation of having more street walkers and pimps resulting in more violent crimes. I feel that the pimp-prostitute business role model is more along the lines of human trafficking than AMP's or freelancers. By attacking massage parlors they will only be hurting their own cause. Just my thoughts.
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It's basically as follows:
Honolulu Weekly = MSNBC = Left Wing.
Midweek = FoxNEWS = Right Wing.
[QUOTE=Hornyhaole; 1163623]Not so much entertainment as crappy shopping circular you receive whether you want it or not, but yeah. The "articles" in that one are there just to get a good postage rate.
At least the Weekly's arts and entertainment reviews have some value. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Hornyhaole; 1163559]In case my previous post made it sound like I was ok with the status quo, let me make it clear that I'm not. I want full legalization and I want it now-for a slew of reasons. Everything from removing the risks of dealing with cops and dangerous criminals (for us and the girls) to driving down prices (though many girls won't like that one) to simply removing the retarded social stigma.
My beef with PASS and their type is not due to a fear they'll somehow be able to actually prevent it, it's that they and the voters they represent are the driving force perpetuating the cycle. If they got over it then the politicians and cops might move on to genuine social ills.
Thought it's just as likely something equally inane would replace it, like flag burning or satanism. People just looooove witch hunts.[/QUOTE]Not disagreeing with you on any other point, but legalization or decriminalization would not remove the social stigma from prostitution. Look how long it's been since the civil rights movement helped to make African Americans considered equal, or women's lib for women. These groups still face social stigma today, though it is less universal.
Also consider that America was colonized by some of the most prude, uptight religious fucknuts that ever existed. Their beliefs still carry weight in today's society which is why we're having trouble with making civil unions, prostitution and other 'sins and vice' legal while organizations like the cult of $cientology are protected.
I agree, prostitution should be legalized. I agree that it will make prostitution safer for all those involved. But there will always be people who will go out of their way to fuck with mongers and working girls because they think that they are right and we are wrong.
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[QUOTE=Peach2;1163632]Is human trafficking different from prostitution?[/QUOTE]"Human trafficking" is simply cop slang for slavery. Unless you think all prostitution is slavery (as PASS seems to) then the answer is yes.
[QUOTE=Peach2;1163632]When I think of human trafficking I think of scenes from movies when the girls are held against their will or women kidnapped and forced into prostitution. Of course, that is inhumane and shouldn't be tolerated in any country.[/QUOTE]Now you see how PASS's plan works: By obscuring their real social cause (stopping all that filthy sex, and preventing some girls from making a living) behind the bureaucratic cop jargon for one of the greatest evils ever committed on humanity by other humans (slavery) , they fool the media and the public into thinking they're freeing prisoners from literal cages.
And while it bothers me that they are against prostitution, what *really* gets up my nose is they are doing so by stealing public empathy for people who are much more victimized than Honolulu SW, AMP girls, independents and whatever. Actual freaking slaves. These lowlife scum are cloaking themselves in the mantle of a cause they could not care less about.
It was just last September that we had this:
[b]Hawaii Home To Largest Human Trafficking Case in US History[/b]
[url]http://www.kitv.com/news/24866750/detail.html[/url]
When you click the link you'll notice a distinct lack of massage tables and happy endings. Those folks were doing the same kind of back-breaking manual labor under an unforgiving sun that was common in the South 150 years ago. That's the real face of slavery in the US. That's the real face of slavery in most of the world.
And where the hell was PASS during this? Why aren't they out patrolling local [i]farms[/i], for crying out loud? That's where real slavery happens when the cops screw up. As much as guys like sex, everyone needs food. And the slavers don't even have to worry what the slaves look like.
Don't get me wrong though. Sex slavery exists in this world and it's just as hideous as you can imagine. However I don't think we've got any brothels like that here. We're pretty high-profile for the military, as I mentioned in an earlier post. And it's too easy for a girl with mediocre-or-better looks and a decent sales pitch to make mad bank in Waikiki without ever performing anything sexier than a handjob with her top off.
But going after those girls, and the guys who are willing to pay for those handjobs, and calling yourself a champion in the fight against "human trafficking" is extraordinarily low. It's an insult to the poor souls who right this minute are in holding cells somewhere.
[QUOTE=Peach2; 1163632]However, my main concern is that is PASS trying to sell their idea to the public that all these women at AMP's and women on backpage are being forced into prostitution? If so, Is anyone setting PASS straight and letting them know that these women have a choice.
[/quote]In an organization built on lies there are two types of members. The upper management, or "liars." And the rank-and-file, or "suckers." Trying to talk reasonably to either group is pointless. The organizers have their own agendas, one of the most common being "let's keep the fight going so I can keep getting paid tax-free." And they've doped their often well-meaning, hard-working and painfully naive foot soldiers with an industrial-strength version of the sales pitch in order to keep them in line.
[QUOTE=Peach2; 1163632]I really don't understand PASS's argument about human trafficking. [/quote]If their cause had anything at all to do with human trafficking, they'd have signed up for law enforcement. These are puritanical prostitution abolitionists, pure and simple.
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[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa; 1163635]It's basically as follows:
Honolulu Weekly = MSNBC = Left Wing.
Midweek = FoxNEWS = Right Wing. [/QUOTE]I think it's a little simpler. Midweek will publish whoever feels like putting some words in a row in time for deadline and doesn't mind not getting paid. One of them is Anger (such an ironic name), but most of the rest are pretty forgettable. Having an actual editorial slant takes, well, giving a shit.
But yeah the Weekly's opinion pieces are pretty liberal. Their audience and talent pool is college kids who like to drink and write. They tend to be budding social activists.
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[QUOTE=Hornyhaole; 1164024]"Human trafficking" is simply cop slang for slavery. Unless you think all prostitution is slavery (as PASS seems to) then the answer is yes.
Now you see how PASS's plan works: By obscuring their real social cause (stopping all that filthy sex, and preventing some girls from making a living) behind the bureaucratic cop jargon for one of the greatest evils ever committed on humanity by other humans (slavery) , they fool the media and the public into thinking they're freeing prisoners from literal cages.
And while it bothers me that they are against prostitution, what *really* gets up my nose is they are doing so by stealing public empathy for people who are much more victimized than Honolulu SW, AMP girls, independents and whatever. Actual freaking slaves. These lowlife scum are cloaking themselves in the mantle of a cause they could not care less about.
It was just last September that we had this:
[b]Hawaii Home To Largest Human Trafficking Case in US History[/b]
[url]http://www.kitv.com/news/24866750/detail.html[/url]
When you click the link you'll notice a distinct lack of massage tables and happy endings. Those folks were doing the same kind of back-breaking manual labor under an unforgiving sun that was common in the South 150 years ago. That's the real face of slavery in the US. That's the real face of slavery in most of the world.
And where the hell was PASS during this? Why aren't they out patrolling local [i]farms[/i], for crying out loud? That's where real slavery happens when the cops screw up. As much as guys like sex, everyone needs food. And the slavers don't even have to worry what the slaves look like.
Don't get me wrong though. Sex slavery exists in this world and it's just as hideous as you can imagine. However I don't think we've got any brothels like that here. We're pretty high-profile for the military, as I mentioned in an earlier post. And it's too easy for a girl with mediocre-or-better looks and a decent sales pitch to make mad bank in Waikiki without ever performing anything sexier than a handjob with her top off.
But going after those girls, and the guys who are willing to pay for those handjobs, and calling yourself a champion in the fight against "human trafficking" is extraordinarily low. It's an insult to the poor souls who right this minute are in holding cells somewhere.
In an organization built on lies there are two types of members. The upper management, or "liars." And the rank-and-file, or "suckers." Trying to talk reasonably to either group is pointless. The organizers have their own agendas, one of the most common being "let's keep the fight going so I can keep getting paid tax-free." And they've doped their often well-meaning, hard-working and painfully naive foot soldiers with an industrial-strength version of the sales pitch in order to keep them in line.
If their cause had anything at all to do with human trafficking, they'd have signed up for law enforcement. These are puritanical prostitution abolitionists, pure and simple. [/QUOTE]This was the best response written. Brother, I know you cannot use your real name, but this should be used in Letters to the Editor pages for Hon Weekly and even sent to PASS. Heck, maybe just use the name H. H. Aole from Honolulu! I recall years ago, our local politicians banned bidis cigarettes to "protect our children from smoking since they were flavored and looked like joints." Plus, they claimed that bidi factories in poorer countries paid children to work."Child labor, sweat shops, slavery!" So, states ban bidis, putting out of work a lot of children who were working hard to support their families and now have to peddle themselves out on the streets. So, if all these places here shut down for everyone's own protection, many ladies don't have a place to stay or afford rent for place to live, will have to file for unemployment, and landlords will lose money from all the rent cost of the establishments.
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[QUOTE=Lahainawhaler;1164083]This was the best response written. Brother, I know you cannot use your real name, but this should be used in Letters to the Editor pages for Hon Weekly and even sent to PASS. Heck, maybe just use the name H. H. Aole from Honolulu! [/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words, and I'll think about the suggestion. They'll need my real name to publish it, but it's standard practice to grant a letter writer anonymity if they want it.
Edit: There is one bright spot to all of this. Apparently the word "prostitution" and its image is no longer enough of a shocker to upset the public on its own. The fact that PASS and people like them feel the need to "rebrand" it as slavery says they're either over-reaching or getting desperate.