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[QUOTE=ChicagoFan76;3046308]47th is good right now. 40 for CBJ with Gina at Rockwell. I see this one wsw at the Dunkin at Kedzie. Her pimp is in a silver Ford next her. I'd give her a solid 7 & Gina a 5. No digits.
I think Leo took a picture of my licence plate at Kedzie. Silver Chevy cavalier or what took the place of the cavalier. I saw a flash when the light turned green. The Chevy was incoming to me.[/QUOTE]LEO as in a city camera or LEO as in someone actually took a pic of your plate? Sure it was LEO? Couldn't have been one of those neighborhood watch people? What would anyone do with that information if they directly connect you to a crime? Seems like a waste.
[QUOTE=Ryanblah;3047138]LEO as in a city camera or LEO as in someone actually took a pic of your plate? Sure it was LEO? Couldn't have been one of those neighborhood watch people? What would anyone do with that information if they directly connect you to a crime? Seems like a waste.[/QUOTE]Unless the vehicle is known to be crusing in the area and if one were on 47th proper I doubt a neigborhood watch do gooder would be at that. Side streets up and down maybe but not on 47th. Lots of industrial buildings former and present. The only thing I can think of is those flash whites that are at intersections, however if the flash came from your front it might have been a car that just passed you. Strange though. If it was the city you will get your nasty gram sent to the address the car's plates are registered.
[QUOTE=ChicagoFan76;3046308]47th is good right now. 40 for CBJ with Gina at Rockwell. I see this one wsw at the Dunkin at Kedzie. Her pimp is in a silver Ford next her. I'd give her a solid 7 & Gina a 5. No digits.
I think Leo took a picture of my licence plate at Kedzie. Silver Chevy cavalier or what took the place of the cavalier. I saw a flash when the light turned green. The Chevy was incoming to me.[/QUOTE]Now that I see the actual post if your vehicle has been known to be cruising in the area that might have been an FYI for that district. Doubt anything will come of it, however they may be onto your activity. Another car or area might be In order albeit temporarily. B careful everyone.
[QUOTE=StanleyStankas;3050154]Now that I see the actual post if your vehicle has been known to be cruising in the area that might have been an FYI for that district. Doubt anything will come of it, however they may be onto your activity. Another car or area might be In order albeit temporarily. B careful everyone.[/QUOTE]LEO would add you to a database. I don't see then taking a pic of plates.
[QUOTE=ChicagoMonger;3050342]LEO would add you to a database. I don't see then taking a pic of plates.[/QUOTE]I find it really hard to imagine our favorite uncle cruising to take pictures in either a Cavalier or the Cobalt that replaced it. An old Impala or Crown Vic, absolutely. LOL.
I am sure it was just a flash or reflection from something else, but if he does get something in the mail I hope he let's us know.
I am not a techie, but I read media reports and rumors all the time. Perhaps someone more technologically proficient than me can clue us in. Can these red light cameras be connected to some type of license plate readers that could be programmed to read license plates at certain times of day and record repeat plates? It's not just Chicago. I have always wondered why I see flashes at intersections where traffic is standing still in 4 directions or even when the light is green and no one is violating anything. Obviously you can't be ticketed merely for driving legally on a public roadway. But can it draw attention to, for example, a license plate that goes by 47th & California 6 times around 11 pm? I only ask because I rememer old episodes of the show, "Parking Wars on A&E", where Philadelphia booters had a device in their truck that let them read plates as they drove by and told them whom to boot.
I really can't believe all the responses to that silly post. You guys are definitely packing a better grade of Mary Jane than me.
Busting Johns doesn't include spending money on technology and such, it only includes taking in money.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;3050466]I am not a techie, but I read media reports and rumors all the time. Perhaps someone more technologically proficient than me can clue us in. Can these red light cameras be connected to some type of license plate readers that could be programmed to read license plates at certain times of day and record repeat plates? It's not just Chicago. I have always wondered why I see flashes at intersections where traffic is standing still in 4 directions or even when the light is green and no one is violating anything. Obviously you can't be ticketed merely for driving legally on a public roadway. But can it draw attention to, for example, a license plate that goes by 47th & California 6 times around 11 pm? I only ask because I rememer old episodes of the show, "Parking Wars on A&E", where Philadelphia booters had a device in their truck that let them read plates as they drove by and told them whom to boot.[/QUOTE]Automatic license plate readers are a real thing. Most of them are used by the police, mounted on the squad cars, but they can be mounted on basically anything. They take all those numbers and feed them into a database. And this is all being done under the guise of national security.
[QUOTE=ChicagoMonger;3050701]Cic had one Red head. About 40's walking back and forth in a two block area. 50 to the gas station. Didn't seem to go to far. Wasn't sure if she was real (or LEO)l. This was daytime 1 - 2 pm.[/QUOTE]Interesting sounds like LEO to me if they're sticking in the same short area, very suspect.
[QUOTE=Mannheim;3050557]I really can't believe all the responses to that silly post. You guys are definitely packing a better grade of Mary Jane than me.
Busting Johns doesn't include spending money on technology and such, it only includes taking in money.[/QUOTE]I agree. Let's say for a moment that this info was being kept which is illegal and unconstitutional and you can never be charged with a crime that you didn't commit and driving around in the same area is not a crime and cameras would be taking pictures of cars that live and drive through the area including those who work nightshifts at bad hours all the time and not knowing what to do with them. Yeah, locals drive in those areas too and more than mongers do and at all times so wouldn't they be the ones being photographed? But let's say for a moment that this does happen.
How would this information be accessed by patrol officers? Through a databases hooked up to the supercomputers in their cars? And then what? How and why would they check random license plates of cars passing through against the databases? The odds of them finding a car that's been photographed and that's been added to this super database is almost zero. But let's say that a random car drives by and the cops for whatever reason check the plate to see if this is in this super database of cars that "are in this area too often<------btw, who decides this and how do cameras make these assessments?" and the car IS in this hypothetical database. Then what? They follow him until he commits a crime or just goes home. Meanwhile, real crimes are being committed all over the city. Sorry but no. Also, again, what if this database just adds the plates of cars that leave and go to work and do life things like go to the store and see family / friends in the area? Do they get pulled over to? How would they know the difference? All of this time and all of these resources allocated to something that's unconstitutional and out of the tens of thousands of police officers who work for the city of Chicago that would do these procedures on a nightly basis.....not 1 single whistle blower?
What I'm saying is that you're being paranoid and none of these theories actually make sense when you think them through. When I've driven through some of these areas mentioned, I've seen drivers do the dumbest things, either in the name of picking up a SW or for some other stupid reason. If somehow you're so obvious that you pick up a SW in front of a city camera then you probably deserve to have something happen to you, but it never would because no one could ever make the case and verify that you went to have sex with that person you picked up and had sex for money after the picture was taken of someone getting into your car. I could take photos all day of people who look suspicious and who are doing suspicious things but no one would ever make it stick and charge any of these people with crimes until they are caught in the act of a crime.
[QUOTE=Ryanblah;3051549]I agree. Let's say for a moment that this info was being kept which is illegal and unconstitutional and you can never be charged with a crime that you didn't commit and driving around in the same area is not a crime and cameras would be taking pictures of cars that live and drive through the area including those who work nightshifts at bad hours all the time and not knowing what to do with them. Yeah, locals drive in those areas too and more than mongers do and at all times so wouldn't they be the ones being photographed? But let's say for a moment that this does happen.
How would this information be accessed by patrol officers? Through a databases hooked up to the supercomputers in their cars? And then what? How and why would they check random license plates of cars passing through against the databases? The odds of them finding a car that's been photographed and that's been added to this super database is almost zero. But let's say that a random car drives by and the cops for whatever reason check the plate to see if this is in this super database of cars that "are in this area too often<------btw, who decides this and how do cameras make these assessments?" and the car IS in this hypothetical database. Then what? They follow him until he commits a crime or just goes home. Meanwhile, real crimes are being committed all over the city. Sorry but no. Also, again, what if this database just adds the plates of cars that leave and go to work and do life things like go to the store and see family / friends in the area? Do they get pulled over to? How would they know the difference? All of this time and all of these resources allocated to something that's unconstitutional and out of the tens of thousands of police officers who work for the city of Chicago that would do these procedures on a nightly basis.....not 1 single whistle blower?
What I'm saying is that you're being paranoid and none of these theories actually make sense when you think them through. When I've driven through some of these areas mentioned, I've seen drivers do the dumbest things, either in the name of picking up a SW or for some other stupid reason. If somehow you're so obvious that you pick up a SW in front of a city camera then you probably deserve to have something happen to you, but it never would because no one could ever make the case and verify that you went to have sex with that person you picked up and had sex for money after the picture was taken of someone getting into your car. I could take photos all day of people who look suspicious and who are doing suspicious things but no one would ever make it stick and charge any of these people with crimes until they are caught in the act of a crime.[/QUOTE][URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recognition[/URL]
Nobody is debating that this tech "exists" but it is not in use in Chicago. Even as the article you posted states, the LAPD proposed sending letters home to the addresses of vehicles that enter high areas of prostitution but there's a million holes in doing that. 1. Why not do the same for areas of high gang activity or homicide? 2. What about vehicles that live / work / travel through those areas on a regular basis? 3. A letter home means nothing. The most that can be done is give that driver a letter with warnings about prostitution in the area. They cannot imply that you were trying to commit a crime, they'd receive 1 million lawsuits because it's completely unconstitutional, slander and defamation of character. It means nothing unless someone can charge you with a crime. Cicero is a high prostitution area. Does everyone who commutes through high prostitution areas on Cicero get a letter home? Taking Cicero to get to 290 or to get to Midway is not a crime. Calm down. What about taxi drivers? What about Uber drivers? These people all get letters home telling them that basically "Chicago is dangerous and you should be careful. " Sorry but with the budget in this state already being an issue and Rahm Emanuel already having an approval rating that is floating around 18% then I don't see the CPD making the decision to allocate resources this way. Not only is it useless and expensive and ineffective but it would also be horrible timing for CPD to start blatantly trampling on the constitution.
[QUOTE=Ryanblah;3051549]I agree. Let's say for a moment that this info was being kept which is illegal and unconstitutional and you can never be charged with a crime that you didn't commit and driving around in the same area is not a crime and cameras would be taking pictures of cars that live and drive through the area including those who work nightshifts at bad hours all the time and not knowing what to do with them. Yeah, locals drive in those areas too and more than mongers do and at all times so wouldn't they be the ones being photographed? But let's say for a moment that this does happen.
How would this information be accessed by patrol officers? Through a databases hooked up to the supercomputers in their cars? And then what? How and why would they check random license plates of cars passing through against the databases? The odds of them finding a car that's been photographed and that's been added to this super database is almost zero. But let's say that a random car drives by and the cops for whatever reason check the plate to see if this is in this super database of cars that "are in this area too often<------btw, who decides this and how do cameras make these assessments?" and the car IS in this hypothetical database. Then what? They follow him until he commits a crime or just goes home. Meanwhile, real crimes are being committed all over the city. Sorry but no. Also, again, what if this database just adds the plates of cars that leave and go to work and do life things like go to the store and see family / friends in the area? Do they get pulled over to? How would they know the difference? All of this time and all of these resources allocated to something that's unconstitutional and out of the tens of thousands of police officers who work for the city of Chicago that would do these procedures on a nightly basis.....not 1 single whistle blower?
What I'm saying is that you're being paranoid and none of these theories actually make sense when you think them through. When I've driven through some of these areas mentioned, I've seen drivers do the dumbest things, either in the name of picking up a SW or for some other stupid reason. If somehow you're so obvious that you pick up a SW in front of a city camera then you probably deserve to have something happen to you, but it never would because no one could ever make the case and verify that you went to have sex with that person you picked up and had sex for money after the picture was taken of someone getting into your car. I could take photos all day of people who look suspicious and who are doing suspicious things but no one would ever make it stick and charge any of these people with crimes until they are caught in the act of a crime.[/QUOTE]You might be correct that it is not yet being used. But your reasoning is all wrong. I hope you're not LEO trying to convince us. You talk citywide. We'really not talking citywide. I was talking about one police district that can prove a problem with a certain illicit activity. Why not do it gang areas? They do. The real question is why not on 47th. Taking pictures is not an arrest. I can take pictures of cars going by if I want. My question was if a database could be developed to spot certain cars seen in certain places at certain times with high frequency. Could someone be arrested on this basis? Of course not and I already said so. But it could let LEO watch for certain cars. But there is nothing unconstitutional about recording info in high crime areas. And they don't need to arrest anyone until actually catching them in the act, which is a lot easier if they wonder what certain cars are doing there in the first place when a driver might not live anywhere near there. As to your point about commuting through prostitution areas, there is a large difference between cars that might go through there twice a day to and from work, and someone who passes a location 6 times in a short period of time during what amounts to non-work hours for most. So if they are not doing it fine. But don'the give me a bunch of baloney about unconstitutional. Police have been watching high crimes zones for a zillion years, long before they had today's technology.
[QUOTE=Ump1969;3052294]You might be correct that it is not yet being used. But your reasoning is all wrong. I hope you're not LEO trying to convince us. You talk citywide. We'really not talking citywide. I was talking about one police district that can prove a problem with a certain illicit activity. Why not do it gang areas? They do. The real question is why not on 47th. Taking pictures is not an arrest. I can take pictures of cars going by if I want. My question was if a database could be developed to spot certain cars seen in certain places at certain times with high frequency. Could someone be arrested on this basis? Of course not and I already said so. But it could let LEO watch for certain cars. But there is nothing unconstitutional about recording info in high crime areas. And they don't need to arrest anyone until actually catching them in the act, which is a lot easier if they wonder what certain cars are doing there in the first place when a driver might not live anywhere near there. As to your point about commuting through prostitution areas, there is a large difference between cars that might go through there twice a day to and from work, and someone who passes a location 6 times in a short period of time during what amounts to non-work hours for most. So if they are not doing it fine. But don'the give me a bunch of baloney about unconstitutional. Police have been watching high crimes zones for a zillion years, long before they had today's technology.[/QUOTE]The lizard people are not coming to eat you and they did not make 9/11 happen.
All of this conversation because a poster saw a light flash. If the cops want to photograph you even though they can't use those photographs against you in a court of law then that's good for them. It's incredible waste of time though. Someone has to prove that you were committing a crime. Proof, not suspicion. Pictures alone, unless you get photographed / filmed in the act, a photograph/video of your car driving around in the same area will never be enough to convict someone of a misdemeanor. As a designated driver with a group, and a carpool driver to work, I've driven up and down North Ave. A lot just picking up and dropping people off legitimately. What you're talking about would be considered a curfew and a war on the poor as most these areas are low income areas. I'd think that the majority of far worse crimes would happen through backpage. Again, you're conflating watching with arresting for no reason. If you want to talk about real abuse of power then look no further than Homan Square by Chicago's finest.