Under the radar providers is the topic of discussion and how to define them. What is a UTR? Are there different levels of UTR? This thread is not for giving information about UTR's but more about how are they defined.
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Under the radar providers is the topic of discussion and how to define them. What is a UTR? Are there different levels of UTR? This thread is not for giving information about UTR's but more about how are they defined.
This should start the discussion of what is a UTR and how can this term be defined. Maybe it can't.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2949171]This is a interesting question. Many opinions and none really wrong or right but input from others could be helpful before being added to the Newbies Blog.
"True UTR" is completely under the radar. No names, phone numbers or e-mails are posted on any type of forum or website. Business is completely derived from word of mouth, through back channels on this or other boards. No reviews, no ads, no postings on any escort sites, etc. Nobody knows anything about the UTR without the UTR approving its release through her customer (s) first. This is in many peoples opinion is the definition of a "True UTR". Now is it possible that a "True UTR" can also be a provider that requests a monger to put up a post that he has a UTR that is looking for additional customers and to contact him for more details. It's just a more expedient way than sending out massive PM's. Since nobody really knows anything about her then isn't she still a "True UTR". I think it is because the key is no contact info is out on open forum (s) and backchannels have to be used to contact her. Some of these UTR's may have been on a SB site and met the monger there and is now willing to step out more into the mainstream limelight, but still remain mostly anonymous. I know several UTR's that are this way. Nobody knows their name and phone number unless the UTR provides it once they are comfortable with the initial contact through the posting monger. So please chime in to agree or disagree.
"Quasi-UTR" is a type of UTR that wants to avoid any type of advertising on any site, but is willing to have someone post about them with a minor review and / or minor description along with some way to contact the QUTR directly either by handle or e-mail address. NO phone number is posted. Still nobody knows much about the QUTR and it's up to the QUTR to respond to the contacts. The QUTR does not want reviews and limits who is going to post about them. Everything is controlled by the QUTR.
Provider is a UTR that starts posting ads, allows reviews on review sites, posts phone numbers, posts pictures, and then they are no longer a UTR. They have exposed themselves to the mainstream business and are now a true provider open to the public. Many UTR's go this route.
Etiquette with UTR's. A monger who sends a UTR's contact info out or exposes her on open forum without her approval is a "Bad" Monger. A monger who exposes a UTR, with her approval, is doing it the right way.
I think the key is a "True UTR" no matter how she is promoted cannot be contacted by any means other than through back channels. Nobody knows anything about her except that she is out there. Please chime in on thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Some food for thought.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2949466]Maybe some new terminology is needed. Keep UTR for the true UTR and come up with something different for QUTR and the rest.
Once someone posts about the UTR, except in the most generic terms; "usually my UTR takes care of me, but I decided to try. ", the risk of them becoming better known goes up, especially with the "seeking new customers" scenario. It's possible for a not yet trusted member to convince them to share the info and possible that person will then share with others, without permission. Two weeks later, the UTR is getting a call from a Pakistani who is coming to town on business and got the number from an unknown guy on a Pakistani escort site.
Giving out UTR info is a sacred trust. First the request needs to originate with the provider, either by a direct request or a not too subtle hint; "a few of my regulars moved away, so I have more free time. " Then there's the, "I know a guy. ", back and forth, finding out if the guy and the UTR are both open for an introduction.
I've received a few PMs from unknown users, giving unsolicited contact info for some UTR. To me, they are no longer UTR. I won't give the info, even if asked (and that has happened), but clearly not everyone feels the same way. Too many possible scenarios, but here's one:
Monger A says he knows a UTR looking for new customers. Out of 30 PMs, he gives the info to 5, the rest he brushes off. Monger C, who didn't get the info, sends PMs to everyone who he thinks might have the info, and Monger B, gives it up. Monger C contacts the UTR, who shoots him down because he's not on the list from Monger A. Monger C, who is a bit unstable, puts up a BP ad with the UTR phone number. UTR is now completely compromised. If she isn't using a hobby phone, her name and address are now in the hands of thousands. No happy ending.
It's a good topic for discussion, but I don't know if we'll find any answers.[/QUOTE]
A girl that a monger keeps all to himself and never give her info to other mongers. I currently have 2 of these, thinking about cutting one of them. It; s like being in a monogamous relationship with both of them, bot of them claim that they're not currently sexually active with anyone else. Both are hot and young, one is 20 from Westfield, the other 29 from the Anderson area. The 20 year old is a brunette Sasha, same personality and willingness to please, but the 29 year old is even more special.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2949971]A girl that a monger keeps all to himself and never give her info to other mongers. I currently have 2 of these, thinking about cutting one of them. It; s like being in a monogamous relationship with both of them, bot of them claim that they're not currently sexually active with anyone else. Both are hot and young, one is 20 from Westfield, the other 29 from the Anderson area. The 20 year old is a brunette Sasha, same personality and willingness to please, but the 29 year old is even more special.[/QUOTE]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2950295]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.[/QUOTE]Their still very much UTR, and I believe I'm the only one at this point that can change that.
I've had great success in creating MY UTR's from [URL]care.com[/URL], lots of nice young girls needing money, I started my process when I interviewed my current UTR's for a legitimate nanny position, I told them they were too damn hot and I didn't think it a good idea that they be my nanny because I would have a hard time keeping my hands off them, they were flattered and I got the sense that they'd be willing to play for pay. I should add that I tried his on half a dozen applicants that I didn't get that good vibe.
The 20 year old called yesterday asking if I wanted her to come over last night, told her I didn't have any cash, she said she didn't care. I asked her why would a cute 20 year old want to hang out with an old pervert on a Friday night, she said she didn't have anything better to do and I think you're hot and the sex is the best ever. Perfect answer.
She got here about midnight, left about 9 am, she had to work at 11.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2950295]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.[/QUOTE]UTR:
To me they are still UTR till Bob puts them in contact with someone else or they start advertising with someone else. UTR to me is no advertisement or word of mouth at all. The girl makes the initial connection on their own by contacting a single individual.
LOWRIDER.
Once she tells Bob to put her contact with someone else she becomes a Lowrider. Bob tells a few trusted people he knows through word of mouth or PM's, but never an open advertisement to contact him or her.
PROVIDER.
Open advertisement then means she is a Provider who lets anyone and everyone have a means of contacting her and then she sets her screening method.
[QUOTE=Untchbl;2950397]UTR:
To me they are still UTR till Bob puts them in contact with someone else or they start advertising with someone else. UTR to me is no advertisement or word of mouth at all. The girl makes the initial connection on their own by contacting a single individual.
LOWRIDER.
Once she tells Bob to put her contact with someone else she becomes a Lowrider. Bob tells a few trusted people he knows through word of mouth or PM's, but never an open advertisement to contact him or her.
PROVIDER.
Open advertisement then means she is a Provider who lets anyone and everyone have a means of contacting her and then she sets her screening method.[/QUOTE]NWK providers, I have two of them. They don't advertise as escorts, but; I consider them escorts, I've mentioned one of them in the Craigslist forum, Danni, sexy cleaning lady, I ended up gettiing everything you'd expect from a full service provider from her. Truly a "YMMV" situation though, The other, also runs a naughty maid service on CL, took two visits from her (Lauren) to get all I wanted, once again I believe it's a YMMV situation, 3rd visit with her about to happen, I'm excited, she's very sweet and hot.
Now we are getting somewhere. So the lowrider (UTR) is just like a car that has been modified to give it low ground clearance. The lady is UTR until her info is given out in any manner even if done behind the scenes, via word of mouth, then she becomes a low ground clearance provider, ex UTR, or "Lowrider".
Question: What is a mistress? Isn't that a UTR that receives financial support to supply companionship of all types including sex? It's a one on one, nobody else is seeing her other than the supporter. So isn't a mistress a UTR? If a UTR is not known, and a client cannot hand out her info, and she sees multiple men then isn't that a multiple client mistress and she is really a UTR? Or is a UTR a mistress who receives financial support, from more than one individual? This is where I think it gets tricky.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2950368]Their still very much UTR, and I believe I'm the only one at this point that can change that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Untchbl;2950397]UTR: To me they are still UTR till Bob puts them in contact with someone else or they start advertising with someone else. UTR to me is no advertisement or word of mouth at all. The girl makes the initial connection on their own by contacting a single individual.
LOWRIDER. Once she tells Bob to put her contact with someone else she becomes a Lowrider. Bob tells a few trusted people he knows through word of mouth or PM's, but never an open advertisement to contact him or her.
PROVIDER. Open advertisement then means she is a Provider who lets anyone and everyone have a means of contacting her and then she sets her screening method.[/QUOTE]Here is my opinion of the definition of a UTR. A lady who is an escort / provider who sees more than one man but she has never publicly advertised sex for money, nobody knows her contact info / name other than the men seeing her and she controls the addition of clients whether it be by her word of mouth or by the word of mouth of her other clients. Her word of mouth could be by meeting someone, not through advertising, and letting them know she provides sexual services for a fee and asks if they are interested. If she is using her clients to obtain new clients then she is specific about how they can contact other potential clients, such as a posting on this type of website. The client does not give out any info about the UTR only passes along information about the potential client to the UTR and she chooses whether or not to contact the potential new client.
Once a UTR advertises or the client advertises her contact info, handle, e-mail or phone number then they are no longer UTR, they are a Provider / Escort. The best example of this was Teresa or Megan. Glue Czar posted about a UTR on this site. He received PM's. He gave the hobbyists information he trusted to Teresa. She contacted them directly. Now I do believe Glue Czar did find her on a SB site, but she was not seeking hobbyists in general. Once she saw her first hobbyist she was still UTR but now involved in the hobby as we know it. Once she started advertising she was no longer UTR and became a open provider. I guess this is how I learned the perception of a what a UTR was. Not saying it was wrong or right.
Thoughts anyone?
A UTR could also be a gal that has offered legitimate services, I. E. House keeping, and is converted to a pay for play person. This type of situation can develop more quickly from a situation that legitimately involves touching. Massage therapist, hair dresser, physical therapist, or if there is alone time with them. Keeping her name under your hat, so to speak, even though she may advertise somehow, still makes her UTR in my book, as long as you don't share what goes on behind closed doors. I suppose it could be anyone who you come in contact with, from the receptionist at the gym to your newspaper lady, as long as there is a pay for play type agreement.
Heritage.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2950295]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.[/QUOTE]Still UTR. There's no way to track them down from the post and Bob stated he isn't sharing. That might be off the radar or SB. The difference being the lack of any path of contact.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2952880]Still UTR. There's no way to track them down from the post and Bob stated he isn't sharing. That might be off the radar or SB. The difference being the lack of any path of contact.[/QUOTE]Good point the different being lack of any path of contact.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2952615]Now we are getting somewhere. So the lowrider (UTR) is just like a car that has been modified to give it low ground clearance. The lady is UTR until her info is given out in any manner even if done behind the scenes, via word of mouth, then she becomes a low ground clearance provider, ex UTR, or "Lowrider".
Question: What is a mistress? Isn't that a UTR that receives financial support to supply companionship of all types including sex? It's a one on one, nobody else is seeing her other than the supporter. So isn't a mistress a UTR? If a UTR is not known, and a client cannot hand out her info, and she sees multiple men then isn't that a multiple client mistress and she is really a UTR? Or is a UTR a mistress who receives financial support, from more than one individual? This is where I think it gets tricky.
Here is my opinion of the definition of a UTR. A lady who is an escort / provider who sees more than one man but she has never publicly advertised sex for money, nobody knows her contact info / name other than the men seeing her and she controls the addition of clients whether it be by her word of mouth or by the word of mouth of her other clients. Her word of mouth could be by meeting someone, not through advertising, and letting them know she provides sexual services for a fee and asks if they are interested. If she is using her clients to obtain new clients then she is specific about how they can contact other potential clients, such as a posting on this type of website. The client does not give out any info about the UTR only passes along information about the potential client to the UTR and she chooses whether or not to contact the potential new client.
Once a UTR advertises or the client advertises her contact info, handle, e-mail or phone number then they are no longer UTR, they are a Provider / Escort. The best example of this was Teresa or Megan. Glue Czar posted about a UTR on this site. He received PM's. He gave the hobbyists information he trusted to Teresa. She contacted them directly. Now I do believe Glue Czar did find her on a SB site, but she was not seeking hobbyists in general. Once she saw her first hobbyist she was still UTR but now involved in the hobby as we know it. Once she started advertising she was no longer UTR and became a open provider. I guess this is how I learned the perception of a what a UTR was. Not saying it was wrong or right.
Thoughts anyone?[/QUOTE]I believe a girl who is only known and available to one person is something deeper than UTR. Depending on the situation she may be a mistress, a SB or a FWPB (friend with paid benefits). For the purpose of everyone else, she doesn't exist.
My opinion, the UTR has to be shared to qualify. It may only be between 2 trusted friends, but the possibility of other paying customers should exist. Now if Bob sends you a PM and says his 20 year old needs a 1 time per week customer and offers to introduce you to see if there's a mutual attraction, she's UTR. No other access route exists, but she's become a legitimate provider.
However, if Bob posted a public offering to share her number, at best she's a lowrider.
Does that make sense?
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2952923]I believe a girl who is only known and available to one person is something deeper than UTR. Depending on the situation she may be a mistress, a SB or a FWPB (friend with paid benefits). For the purpose of everyone else, she doesn't exist.
My opinion, the UTR has to be shared to qualify. It may only be between 2 trusted friends, but the possibility of other paying customers should exist. Now if Bob sends you a PM and says his 20 year old needs a 1 time per week customer and offers to introduce you to see if there's a mutual attraction, she's UTR. No other access route exists, but she's become a legitimate provider.
However, if Bob posted a public offering to share her number, at best she's a lowrider.
Does that make sense?[/QUOTE]I agree that a UTR has to be shared. So how can you share a UTR and not make her a legitimate provider / escort or prostitute (as A2 defines one). So in Bob's example of a contact by PM only with no other access route available she is still a UTR? Or is she now a UTR provider or a UTR that has become a legitimate provider?