Starting this thread to see if we can get some discussion going and compare notes.
I find that 200 will do it for almost any of the girls I want.
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Starting this thread to see if we can get some discussion going and compare notes.
I find that 200 will do it for almost any of the girls I want.
[QUOTE=JoeDocks11;4010023]Starting this thread to see if we can get some discussion going and compare notes.
I find that 200 will do it for almost any of the girls I want.[/QUOTE]I haven't had much luck on SA or WYP recently. Lots of wasted credits and girls wanting too much money. Maybe JamesJ has had some luck? Wouldn't mind a utr referral or two.
Sugar Baby Guide based on my experience with it.
Pros of having a sugar baby vs. Hookers:
The sugar baby girls (ones who aren't really just escorts from STG) are clean, usually drug free and not banging 5 guys a day. Many are college girls but also some are single moms in tough situations financially looking for extra help. They do not consider themselves prostitutes (although they really are. Just more selective ones).
You are usually exclusive with your sugar baby and there's no clock watching, timed appointment expectations and a lot less flakiness. Since you're not just one among many Johns she's seeing, she usually keeps your dates.
You are usually not driving to the hood to meet her and she will be looking a lot hotter and smell good compared to hookers. One I saw lived in a nicer neighborhood than I live in, although she rented a room so didn't own the house. Most are pretty intelligent women and most are more courteous and understanding than hookers because they are not trying to collect a fee and rush you out the door to go buy drugs or see the next John.
Bare back sex is more likely and more importantly, probably less risky! WAY less volume than hookers.
They all seem to accept that men will be older than they are. There's limits to this but after a short time on the site they realize that 21 year old men do not have the financial means to be on the site and become open to guys 15-25 years older than they are.
Cons:
It's expensive and time-consuming compared to normal mongering. Do not enter this thinking you will start a chat today to meet for a $30 BBBJ tomorrow. It's a long process.
Her overall expectations are higher than a hooker's. This is especially true with beginner girls since the sites tell them they will meet millionaires who will pay their college tuition and buy them cars!
She will expect a certain level of commitment from you be it an amount per month or if paying per session she is looking for a certain number of meetings per month. This is because unlike a hooker she hopes you will be her total source of extra income as opposed to trying to lineup as many johns as possible to meet the income goal.
In many cases you will be expected to provide the meeting place-hotel room. Motel 6 may not cut it if she's smokin hot and used to better things in life.
What to expect:
There's always a collection of girls who will message you with intent to sell you pictures or video. I found this hilarious considering pornhub etc, Exist with more porn than a man could ever want for free. You will see them mention an app "cash app". Do yourself a favor and do NOT get that app. I am short and to the point, replying to them to get lost.
You'll get immediate friending and mssgs from girls from the Phillipines and Russia. Hope I don't have to tell you to not waste your time on them unless you have a trip planned there.
Next there's what was BP girls, now STG, EroticMonkey and CityX girls. Gap-tooth Nicky, Destiny and a few others have been found on these Sugar Baby sites. Their profiles make them sound like real sugar babies. If you don't recognize a pro you'll know you got one because she will cut quickly to a price for a date. Real sugar babies never do this immediate price for sex in a first chat. It will be a higher price than STG too. And by all means if you like her and the deal works for you make the date! But don't be fooled and realize you're back with a drug addict who's had a LOT of pipe laid in that trench. Pay accordingly.
The sites have a collection of attention seeking time wasters and a few scammers. When you see after a few days of chatting that getting to the initial meeting is always met with excuses or "I'm not sure I want to just yet" you have a time waster on your hands. Some are recently joined members who are not quite sure they are ready for the next step. Some are just on the site for the attention of men. Same as that super hot ballbuster at the bar who never has a guy but enjoys shooting down every guy who approaches her. Scammers jump right to asking for money for basically nothing. Use the block feature. NEVER send anyone money! Cash for ass. No exceptions.
The actual sugar baby.
Her ultimate goal is to get the "monthly allowance" with as little expectations from you as possible. You will read this in many profiles and or she will tell you this in chat. She will ask for way more than you'd possibly want to spend and she will try to get you to agree to as few meetings as possible in exchange for it. My advice here is don't do the monthly allowance. Trust me, few guys are agreeing to this in spite of the bullshit story she'll tell you about her "last sugar daddy". I have many chat logs and to read most of them you'd think all the previous sugar daddies were super rich and paying her $3,000 a month to see her 2 x. It's not true! There's also many, probably due to the lies the website tells them about the men they will meet here, that think there's tons of guys willing to pay $500 for her to accompany you to lavish events. Arm candy. I do not believe there's any guys in PHX on the site paying for arm candy but anyway be aware of this expectation.
Establish you will pay per meeting. State "hotel room meeting" so she knows you mean sex, not a lunch / Dinner / event date. This leads me to another related point, some girls are expecting payment in a non-sexual arrangement! Some claim they've had prior sugar daddies who paid them for simply eating a dinner out with them etc. This is beyond bullshit and a lie. We men are all about the same. No guy is on these sites for a plutanic arrangement. That said, if her profile states this or she says this in chat just move on. The process of getting a sugar baby is long enough when the girl knows she has to put out. You will waste a ton more time trying to convince the naive girl that she should change her goals and expectations.
Getting started:
Make a profile. Put some meaningful things in it like what you seek and something interesting about you; hobbies, likes, whatever. Include photo (s). If you're trying to stay under the radar make them headless, but don't go with no pics. Many girls ignore guys with no pics. They care what you look like. They basically want a decent looking guy who will also pay up.
If you list yourself as married most girls will ignore you. Not all, but most. Obvious exception is the married women. There's not many of them. Sorry to tell you and no offense, but if you list your occupation as landscaper, truck driver or really anything blue-collar you have lowered your success rate a ton. These girls upon signing up on the site are sold on the fact they will meet successful, wealthy, generous men. While you could be earning a six figure income driving a truck her perception is based on TV and the ads for the website, not on your actual ability to pay her.
Note that new signups on most sites move you to the top of the search results so in the beginning you will receive more attention without doing anything to initiate it.
Your initial goal is to strike up a convo, trade cell #s (so if you quit the site or don't renew you still have contacts) and try to set a simple coffee or lunch meeting. Do NOT send her a pic of your cock or ask her for a titty pic! And to those of you morons who do this, the girls hate this and it kills your chances. Thereby making me look all the better! Be a gentleman. This is not BP! These girls view their side of this as more like friends with benefits than prostitution. You are courting her, not offering $40 for a BBBJ. The coffee meeting is to establish you two mesh. It's really more for her than for you because most of them care about compatibility. You should pretend you care about this too even if you don't. They view this as if seeking a boyfriend so, unlike a BP girl, the fact you'll spend money is not enough to achieve success. The sticky point here is to decide if you will pay her a fee just for this initial meeting. I refuse to. I admit I've lost quite a few initial meetings over this but I am not paying some girl $50-$100 (some expected more!) to simply have coffee or eat a lunch I am paying for.
At this initial meeting you are courting her like you do a potential girlfriend. Be charming. Pay for the meal. Ask her questions about her life and interests. What's her major in college. If she's interested in setting a date or arrangement SHE will bring this up, trust me. And it will cut right to the money part. "I usually get $500 per meeting" or "my last daddy paid me $3,000 a month allowance for 1-2 short meetings a month" is not uncommon to hear. 99% of the time I know its a complete lie but I now start negotiating. By the time you've met you should have already established you expect an arrangement involving "friends with benefits" or "intimacy". Avoid saying sex. Keep it classy. The girls call your date and your relationship a "meeting" or "arrangement" usually as well. No hooker lingo is used.
The super hot college girls are getting a lot of attention and have insane high expectations. Many also have links to gofundme or cashhapp on their profiles suggesting you just send them money for nothing. Many will not have sex with you at any price. All that said, I still take a crack at them and am in an arrangement that's run 10 months now with a 19 year old college girl. But I had a ton of attempts ending nowhere before her.
There's also a slew of mid 20's pros who will do one time dates but expect 350-500 and as soon as you offer less they have no interest. They are using the site like BP but are not listed on regular pro sites. If you can afford this per visit many are very, very hot girls.
The married women on the site I personally avoid. Too much risk of a jealous husband getting involved for me to risk it. If you're ok with that added danger they are as eager to fuck as they are to get paid.
There's a few who are into BDSM. My experience is they only want you if you are as well. They are also very selective and care about your looks and age.
By far the easiest success you will have will be with single mothers who live in rural areas not close to a big city. Most guys won't drive far to see them. For them I forgo the initial coffee meeting usually and chat for days / weeks instead leading to an encounter. Also women older than 30 are easier to get started with. They have far less success on the sites because they are competing with 20 year old hotties in college. Being single moms they always host saving me the motel bill as well. They are usually in tough situations and in my opinion actually need the money more than the college girls do. I've bought clothes for their kids a couple times even. With them sometimes drugs can be present but I've avoided those.
I drove 2. 5 hours to see a young single mom once. Bar none the hottest girl I've ever been with in my entire life! Blond hair, blue eyes, beautiful face, killer ass, nice firm B cups. A goddess. Cost was 250 in her apartment. I can't make that drive or pay that rate often but wow, what a memory!
Some other pluses to sugar babies:
Most are low mileage and have not slept with 100 guys the past 6-months like the pros we usually see. She's usually drug and disease free and expects you to be too.
Within reason there's no timer to encounters. Its more like when you had a girlfriend and got together. Shortest stay is usually about 2 hours. Less is because "I" have to go, not that she said "time's up".
If you buy lingerie she will wear it for you.
I've paid as high as 250 for an intimate meeting and as low as 50. And the girl for 50 was 19, in college and not ugly. She does everything but anal, wears the lingerie I bought her, talks dirty in the bedroom and swallows every drop! The 250 is my personal limit. If you're willing to pay more it will greatly expand your success rate. 350 opens up a lot of possibilities, but is just too much for me to pay personally.
If you're willing to pay 350-500 a session you will have many, many hot choices on the sites but remember to court her! Dress nice, smell nice, be respectful like you would be to a potential girlfriend.
Other tips:
Do not give personal info. Or Facebook pages out. If you're not single this hobby has extra danger compared to classic escorts as they communicate like you're a boyfriend and have no boundaries. Not a single girl I've seen knows even my first name, much less where I live and work other than Grand Rapids area. But most ask a lot of personal questions so be prepared.
Use a hobby phone! Again, these are not pros! They will initiate a call or text and think nothing of it. You are not a john to them. You are a friend with benefits.
It's a LONG process to get an arrangement. Be patient. You will send chat requests / initial chats to 100 girls to get 15-20 replies. Of the 15 replies 8 will chat again with you later. Of the 8, 3-5 MIGHT agree to meet you for coffee. 1-2 of those will no show / no call for that meeting. If you will pay her for meeting you your odds may be better than what I listed but I refuse to pay her to meet me for coffee.
If you drive an old car or look shabby, unshaven, smell bad or wear clothes you'd wear to do yard work you will have little success in this. These girls seek a man of means. You have to at least appear like you have money.
If you're unattractive, very overweight or very old you have an uphill battle. Unlike hookers, many girls on these sites want a guy they would have as a boyfriend but a little older and he pays them. And the hotter ones are VERY selective.
Read the girl's profile and reference in chat something in it you have in common or agree with. Otherwise you just seem like a hound dog who looked at her pics and nothing else.
If you're not rich, say so! I put right in my profile that I'm not wealthy but make a good living and am financially secure. This for me is to avoid wasting time with the mercenary gold diggers. And these sites are prime places for gold diggers.
Do not prepay for anything! Period! No PayPal, no Cash app no GoFundMe. The payment part should be the same as you follow for escorts. Service = payment.
Most girls expect you to be exclusive with them. If you are not going to be I suggest you lie about that. I lost many, many chances prior to a first meeting by being honest about it.
If the site search has distance ranges expand it to cover as far as you would drive. As said above, girls in rural areas are easier to hookup with. Also, MSU in Lansing has a large amount of sugar babies listed. If you'l drive to Lansing and can afford the high price they want its like heaven on earth.
If you can, get things in place where she contacts you to suggest getting together after your first intimate meeting. I was in most cases able to keep myself from being the one to suggest our next meeting. Partially because I pay per meeting so she has an incentive to want to see me again, and partially because I'm patient. Why you may ask? Because it keeps the balance of power with you. If you are always bugging her to hookup she knows you will probably be ok paying more. This overall concept came in to play when one of my sugar babies asked to setup a meeting and then suggested I pay more. I told her sorry money's a little tight right now. Take the agreed rate or leave it. She took it. If I had instead been the one trying for the meeting the dynamic would be different.
On the other hand if you have a well established arrangement going giving her a small gift or helping out with Christmas for her kids or whatever can go a long way to cementing things with her. Plus if its presents or clothes for her kids you are being a decent person at least. MUCH different than paying extra to an escort who will simply buy more drugs.
If you're gunning for bareback sex its a maybe, so bring condoms! She's not a pro and will not have any. When things begin take a shot at not mentioning condoms and see if she lets you continue. IF she stops you for protection say "Oh yea sorry, there in my jacket" or whatever. So far every sugar baby I had did BBBJ. Only half allowed BBfull service. Only a few allowed CIM. Do NOT ask about this in advance unless CIM is a deal breaker for you. Asking them this will get you labeled a gross perv. And kill your chances of a meeting.
[QUOTE=JChoi;4010194]I haven't had much luck on SA or WYP recently. Lots of wasted credits and girls wanting too much money. Maybe JamesJ has had some luck? Wouldn't mind a utr referral or two.[/QUOTE]Since my name was mentioned, thought I would chime in.
Had been planning a weekend in Vegas for the Races, and decided to test the waters of WYP girls.
Change my search area several weeks ago, made and received numerous offers. (think there are lots of high dollar pros advertising on WYP-Vegas).
Settled on a 48 YO (no kids / white, 5' 2" , nice naturals, with a big ole booty and it was obvious she's NOT a druggie).
Agreed on 20, exchanged numbers, sent a few text and it synced for last Sunday evening after races. Picked her up at her extended stay on East Charleston. A complete shit hole!
Drove to a sports bar off Dean Martin, grabbed a bite (she does not drink) and headed to my Hotel on Trop. Very friendly, good (intelligent) conversation. Says she is out of work, had vehicle stolen, just trying to make a few bucks to pay rent.
Cindy offered BBBJ, CIM (No discussion of fee). Let me play and suck on her very nice (and large naturals).
She has a tongue ring, which upped the pleasure! Swallowed every drop and even commented on how large the protein shake was! (LOL).
One of the best BJ I've ever had. Asked how much I owed, said give me what you think is fair. Gave her a hun, and she was ecstatic.
Got dressed and asked that I drop her at Harrahs. Would repeat!
Wish her ass lived in Phoenix!
JamesJ.
[QUOTE=Jamesj;4011087]Since my name was mentioned, thought I would chime in.
Had been planning a weekend in Vegas for the Races, and decided to test the waters of WYP girls.
Change my search area several weeks ago, made and received numerous offers. (think there are lots of high dollar pros advertising on WYP-Vegas).
Settled on a 48 YO (no kids / white, 5' 2" , nice naturals, with a big ole booty and it was obvious she's NOT a druggie).
Agreed on 20, exchanged numbers, sent a few text and it synced for last Sunday evening after races. Picked her up at her extended stay on East Charleston. A complete shit hole!
Drove to a sports bar off Dean Martin, grabbed a bite (she does not drink) and headed to my Hotel on Trop. Very friendly, good (intelligent) conversation. Says she is out of work, had vehicle stolen, just trying to make a few bucks to pay rent.
Cindy offered BBBJ, CIM (No discussion of fee). Let me play and suck on her very nice (and large naturals).
She has a tongue ring, which upped the pleasure! Swallowed every drop and even commented on how large the protein shake was! (LOL).
One of the best BJ I've ever had. Asked how much I owed, said give me what you think is fair. Gave her a hun, and she was ecstatic.
Got dressed and asked that I drop her at Harrahs. Would repeat!
Wish her ass lived in Phoenix!
JamesJ.[/QUOTE]Very nice. You haven had far more success than me for sure. I did reconnect with an old friend on wyp miarrakus. She's amazingly fun but costly. Thanks for your report. Be safe.
[QUOTE=Jamesj;4011087]Since my name was mentioned, thought I would chime in.
Had been planning a weekend in Vegas for the Races, and decided to test the waters of WYP girls.
Change my search area several weeks ago, made and received numerous offers. (think there are lots of high dollar pros advertising on WYP-Vegas).
Settled on a 48 YO (no kids / white, 5' 2" , nice naturals, with a big ole booty and it was obvious she's NOT a druggie).
Agreed on 20, exchanged numbers, sent a few text and it synced for last Sunday evening after races. Picked her up at her extended stay on East Charleston. A complete shit hole!
Drove to a sports bar off Dean Martin, grabbed a bite (she does not drink) and headed to my Hotel on Trop. Very friendly, good (intelligent) conversation. Says she is out of work, had vehicle stolen, just trying to make a few bucks to pay rent.
Cindy offered BBBJ, CIM (No discussion of fee). Let me play and suck on her very nice (and large naturals).
She has a tongue ring, which upped the pleasure! Swallowed every drop and even commented on how large the protein shake was! (LOL).
One of the best BJ I've ever had. Asked how much I owed, said give me what you think is fair. Gave her a hun, and she was ecstatic.
Got dressed and asked that I drop her at Harrahs. Would repeat!
Wish her ass lived in Phoenix!
JamesJ.[/QUOTE]Very nice!
[QUOTE=Jamesj;4011087]Since my name was mentioned, thought I would chime in.
Had been planning a weekend in Vegas for the Races, and decided to test the waters of WYP girls.
Change my search area several weeks ago, made and received numerous offers. (think there are lots of high dollar pros advertising on WYP-Vegas).
Settled on a 48 YO (no kids / white, 5' 2" , nice naturals, with a big ole booty and it was obvious she's NOT a druggie).
Agreed on 20, exchanged numbers, sent a few text and it synced for last Sunday evening after races. Picked her up at her extended stay on East Charleston. A complete shit hole!
Drove to a sports bar off Dean Martin, grabbed a bite (she does not drink) and headed to my Hotel on Trop. Very friendly, good (intelligent) conversation. Says she is out of work, had vehicle stolen, just trying to make a few bucks to pay rent.
Cindy offered BBBJ, CIM (No discussion of fee). Let me play and suck on her very nice (and large naturals).
She has a tongue ring, which upped the pleasure! Swallowed every drop and even commented on how large the protein shake was! (LOL).
One of the best BJ I've ever had. Asked how much I owed, said give me what you think is fair. Gave her a hun, and she was ecstatic.
Got dressed and asked that I drop her at Harrahs. Would repeat!
Wish her ass lived in Phoenix!
JamesJ.[/QUOTE]I used to know a Cindy in Vegas that gave a fantastic BJ. Wonder if they're the same girl?
Said she doesn't have phone bill paid so can only communicate thru website. Ask to buy peach ciroc for her as well after setting up an appointment. When I got there she blocked me. So avoid her scam guys.
Hi, I'm new to the Phoenix area, but I've been using SA with varied rates of success for the last five years. Back in my old state (Michigan), the going rate has recently gotten up to around 300 per meet. I've paid more and I've paid less, but that seems to be what's normal.
I read through the posts here, and it seems like 200 might be to the normal rate around here. I tend to like girls that are about 25 and under, so I know that sometimes comes with a premium price.
I'll share some of my successes here so you all can have fun too.
Back in Michigan, it was very easy to get whatever you wanted at a strip club and we also had a couple of really great non-Asian (my personal preference, Asian girls have never done anything for me) massage parlors and from what I'm reading, that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I'll continue to read the forums, but any help that you could give to someone new in town would be appreciated.
Great post. I will be in the area the next couple of days and was looking for intel for fun while in town and hoping to find something even though I won't be here long enough to get into the SB scene. I decided to check out this thread just to see what is going on and think your guide is spot on. Treat them like a girlfriend and they will act like one. Thanks!
[QUOTE=JoeDocks11;4010602]Sugar Baby Guide based on my experience with it.
Pros of having a sugar baby vs. Hookers:
The sugar baby girls (ones who aren't really just escorts from STG) are clean, usually drug free and not banging 5 guys a day. Many are college girls but also some are single moms in tough situations financially looking for extra help. They do not consider themselves prostitutes (although they really are. Just more selective ones).
You are usually exclusive with your sugar baby and there's no clock watching, timed appointment expectations and a lot less flakiness. Since you're not just one among many Johns she's seeing, she usually keeps your dates.
You are usually not driving to the hood to meet her and she will be looking a lot hotter and smell good compared to hookers. One I saw lived in a nicer neighborhood than I live in, although she rented a room so didn't own the house. Most are pretty intelligent women and most are more courteous and understanding than hookers because they are not trying to collect a fee and rush you out the door to go buy drugs or see the next John.
Bare back sex is more likely and more importantly, probably less risky! WAY less volume than hookers.
They all seem to accept that men will be older than they are. There's limits to this but after a short time on the site they realize that 21 year old men do not have the financial means to be on the site and become open to guys 15-25 years older than they are.
Cons:
It's expensive and time-consuming compared to normal mongering. Do not enter this thinking you will start a chat today to meet for a $30 BBBJ tomorrow. It's a long process.
Her overall expectations are higher than a hooker's. This is especially true with beginner girls since the sites tell them they will meet millionaires who will pay their college tuition and buy them cars!
She will expect a certain level of commitment from you be it an amount per month or if paying per session she is looking for a certain number of meetings per month. This is because unlike a hooker she hopes you will be her total source of extra income as opposed to trying to lineup as many johns as possible to meet the income goal.
In many cases you will be expected to provide the meeting place-hotel room. Motel 6 may not cut it if she's smokin hot and used to better things in life.
What to expect:
There's always a collection of girls who will message you with intent to sell you pictures or video. I found this hilarious considering pornhub etc, Exist with more porn than a man could ever want for free. You will see them mention an app "cash app". Do yourself a favor and do NOT get that app. I am short and to the point, replying to them to get lost.
You'll get immediate friending and mssgs from girls from the Phillipines and Russia. Hope I don't have to tell you to not waste your time on them unless you have a trip planned there.
Next there's what was BP girls, now STG, EroticMonkey and CityX girls. Gap-tooth Nicky, Destiny and a few others have been found on these Sugar Baby sites. Their profiles make them sound like real sugar babies. If you don't recognize a pro you'll know you got one because she will cut quickly to a price for a date. Real sugar babies never do this immediate price for sex in a first chat. It will be a higher price than STG too. And by all means if you like her and the deal works for you make the date! But don't be fooled and realize you're back with a drug addict who's had a LOT of pipe laid in that trench. Pay accordingly.
The sites have a collection of attention seeking time wasters and a few scammers. When you see after a few days of chatting that getting to the initial meeting is always met with excuses or "I'm not sure I want to just yet" you have a time waster on your hands. Some are recently joined members who are not quite sure they are ready for the next step. Some are just on the site for the attention of men. Same as that super hot ballbuster at the bar who never has a guy but enjoys shooting down every guy who approaches her. Scammers jump right to asking for money for basically nothing. Use the block feature. NEVER send anyone money! Cash for ass. No exceptions.
The actual sugar baby.
Her ultimate goal is to get the "monthly allowance" with as little expectations from you as possible. You will read this in many profiles and or she will tell you this in chat. She will ask for way more than you'd possibly want to spend and she will try to get you to agree to as few meetings as possible in exchange for it. My advice here is don't do the monthly allowance. Trust me, few guys are agreeing to this in spite of the bullshit story she'll tell you about her "last sugar daddy". I have many chat logs and to read most of them you'd think all the previous sugar daddies were super rich and paying her $3,000 a month to see her 2 x. It's not true! There's also many, probably due to the lies the website tells them about the men they will meet here, that think there's tons of guys willing to pay $500 for her to accompany you to lavish events. Arm candy. I do not believe there's any guys in PHX on the site paying for arm candy but anyway be aware of this expectation.
Establish you will pay per meeting. State "hotel room meeting" so she knows you mean sex, not a lunch / Dinner / event date. This leads me to another related point, some girls are expecting payment in a non-sexual arrangement! Some claim they've had prior sugar daddies who paid them for simply eating a dinner out with them etc. This is beyond bullshit and a lie. We men are all about the same. No guy is on these sites for a plutanic arrangement. That said, if her profile states this or she says this in chat just move on. The process of getting a sugar baby is long enough when the girl knows she has to put out. You will waste a ton more time trying to convince the naive girl that she should change her goals and expectations.
Getting started:
Make a profile. Put some meaningful things in it like what you seek and something interesting about you; hobbies, likes, whatever. Include photo (s). If you're trying to stay under the radar make them headless, but don't go with no pics. Many girls ignore guys with no pics. They care what you look like. They basically want a decent looking guy who will also pay up.
If you list yourself as married most girls will ignore you. Not all, but most. Obvious exception is the married women. There's not many of them. Sorry to tell you and no offense, but if you list your occupation as landscaper, truck driver or really anything blue-collar you have lowered your success rate a ton. These girls upon signing up on the site are sold on the fact they will meet successful, wealthy, generous men. While you could be earning a six figure income driving a truck her perception is based on TV and the ads for the website, not on your actual ability to pay her.
Note that new signups on most sites move you to the top of the search results so in the beginning you will receive more attention without doing anything to initiate it.
Your initial goal is to strike up a convo, trade cell #s (so if you quit the site or don't renew you still have contacts) and try to set a simple coffee or lunch meeting. Do NOT send her a pic of your cock or ask her for a titty pic! And to those of you morons who do this, the girls hate this and it kills your chances. Thereby making me look all the better! Be a gentleman. This is not BP! These girls view their side of this as more like friends with benefits than prostitution. You are courting her, not offering $40 for a BBBJ. The coffee meeting is to establish you two mesh. It's really more for her than for you because most of them care about compatibility. You should pretend you care about this too even if you don't. They view this as if seeking a boyfriend so, unlike a BP girl, the fact you'll spend money is not enough to achieve success. The sticky point here is to decide if you will pay her a fee just for this initial meeting. I refuse to. I admit I've lost quite a few initial meetings over this but I am not paying some girl $50-$100 (some expected more!) to simply have coffee or eat a lunch I am paying for.
At this initial meeting you are courting her like you do a potential girlfriend. Be charming. Pay for the meal. Ask her questions about her life and interests. What's her major in college. If she's interested in setting a date or arrangement SHE will bring this up, trust me. And it will cut right to the money part. "I usually get $500 per meeting" or "my last daddy paid me $3,000 a month allowance for 1-2 short meetings a month" is not uncommon to hear. 99% of the time I know its a complete lie but I now start negotiating. By the time you've met you should have already established you expect an arrangement involving "friends with benefits" or "intimacy". Avoid saying sex. Keep it classy. The girls call your date and your relationship a "meeting" or "arrangement" usually as well. No hooker lingo is used.
The super hot college girls are getting a lot of attention and have insane high expectations. Many also have links to gofundme or cashhapp on their profiles suggesting you just send them money for nothing. Many will not have sex with you at any price. All that said, I still take a crack at them and am in an arrangement that's run 10 months now with a 19 year old college girl. But I had a ton of attempts ending nowhere before her.
There's also a slew of mid 20's pros who will do one time dates but expect 350-500 and as soon as you offer less they have no interest. They are using the site like BP but are not listed on regular pro sites. If you can afford this per visit many are very, very hot girls.
The married women on the site I personally avoid. Too much risk of a jealous husband getting involved for me to risk it. If you're ok with that added danger they are as eager to fuck as they are to get paid.
There's a few who are into BDSM. My experience is they only want you if you are as well. They are also very selective and care about your looks and age.
By far the easiest success you will have will be with single mothers who live in rural areas not close to a big city. Most guys won't drive far to see them. For them I forgo the initial coffee meeting usually and chat for days / weeks instead leading to an encounter. Also women older than 30 are easier to get started with. They have far less success on the sites because they are competing with 20 year old hotties in college. Being single moms they always host saving me the motel bill as well. They are usually in tough situations and in my opinion actually need the money more than the college girls do. I've bought clothes for their kids a couple times even. With them sometimes drugs can be present but I've avoided those.
I drove 2. 5 hours to see a young single mom once. Bar none the hottest girl I've ever been with in my entire life! Blond hair, blue eyes, beautiful face, killer ass, nice firm B cups. A goddess. Cost was 250 in her apartment. I can't make that drive or pay that rate often but wow, what a memory!
Some other pluses to sugar babies:
Most are low mileage and have not slept with 100 guys the past 6-months like the pros we usually see. She's usually drug and disease free and expects you to be too.
Within reason there's no timer to encounters. Its more like when you had a girlfriend and got together. Shortest stay is usually about 2 hours. Less is because "I" have to go, not that she said "time's up".
If you buy lingerie she will wear it for you.
I've paid as high as 250 for an intimate meeting and as low as 50. And the girl for 50 was 19, in college and not ugly. She does everything but anal, wears the lingerie I bought her, talks dirty in the bedroom and swallows every drop! The 250 is my personal limit. If you're willing to pay more it will greatly expand your success rate. 350 opens up a lot of possibilities, but is just too much for me to pay personally.
If you're willing to pay 350-500 a session you will have many, many hot choices on the sites but remember to court her! Dress nice, smell nice, be respectful like you would be to a potential girlfriend.
Other tips:
Do not give personal info. Or Facebook pages out. If you're not single this hobby has extra danger compared to classic escorts as they communicate like you're a boyfriend and have no boundaries. Not a single girl I've seen knows even my first name, much less where I live and work other than Grand Rapids area. But most ask a lot of personal questions so be prepared.
Use a hobby phone! Again, these are not pros! They will initiate a call or text and think nothing of it. You are not a john to them. You are a friend with benefits.
It's a LONG process to get an arrangement. Be patient. You will send chat requests / initial chats to 100 girls to get 15-20 replies. Of the 15 replies 8 will chat again with you later. Of the 8, 3-5 MIGHT agree to meet you for coffee. 1-2 of those will no show / no call for that meeting. If you will pay her for meeting you your odds may be better than what I listed but I refuse to pay her to meet me for coffee.
If you drive an old car or look shabby, unshaven, smell bad or wear clothes you'd wear to do yard work you will have little success in this. These girls seek a man of means. You have to at least appear like you have money.
If you're unattractive, very overweight or very old you have an uphill battle. Unlike hookers, many girls on these sites want a guy they would have as a boyfriend but a little older and he pays them. And the hotter ones are VERY selective.
Read the girl's profile and reference in chat something in it you have in common or agree with. Otherwise you just seem like a hound dog who looked at her pics and nothing else.
If you're not rich, say so! I put right in my profile that I'm not wealthy but make a good living and am financially secure. This for me is to avoid wasting time with the mercenary gold diggers. And these sites are prime places for gold diggers.
Do not prepay for anything! Period! No PayPal, no Cash app no GoFundMe. The payment part should be the same as you follow for escorts. Service = payment.
Most girls expect you to be exclusive with them. If you are not going to be I suggest you lie about that. I lost many, many chances prior to a first meeting by being honest about it.
If the site search has distance ranges expand it to cover as far as you would drive. As said above, girls in rural areas are easier to hookup with. Also, MSU in Lansing has a large amount of sugar babies listed. If you'l drive to Lansing and can afford the high price they want its like heaven on earth.
If you can, get things in place where she contacts you to suggest getting together after your first intimate meeting. I was in most cases able to keep myself from being the one to suggest our next meeting. Partially because I pay per meeting so she has an incentive to want to see me again, and partially because I'm patient. Why you may ask? Because it keeps the balance of power with you. If you are always bugging her to hookup she knows you will probably be ok paying more. This overall concept came in to play when one of my sugar babies asked to setup a meeting and then suggested I pay more. I told her sorry money's a little tight right now. Take the agreed rate or leave it. She took it. If I had instead been the one trying for the meeting the dynamic would be different.
On the other hand if you have a well established arrangement going giving her a small gift or helping out with Christmas for her kids or whatever can go a long way to cementing things with her. Plus if its presents or clothes for her kids you are being a decent person at least. MUCH different than paying extra to an escort who will simply buy more drugs.
If you're gunning for bareback sex its a maybe, so bring condoms! She's not a pro and will not have any. When things begin take a shot at not mentioning condoms and see if she lets you continue. IF she stops you for protection say "Oh yea sorry, there in my jacket" or whatever. So far every sugar baby I had did BBBJ. Only half allowed BBfull service. Only a few allowed CIM. Do NOT ask about this in advance unless CIM is a deal breaker for you. Asking them this will get you labeled a gross perv. And kill your chances of a meeting.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone have luck with girls on SA from the Phoenix area? I've been here for a month and I don't feel like I'm being cheap, but it's been hard to find someone that's actually serious about meeting up.
[QUOTE=JimStark;4118332]Does anyone have luck with girls on SA from the Phoenix area? I've been here for a month and I don't feel like I'm being cheap, but it's been hard to find someone that's actually serious about meeting up.[/QUOTE]It's a little dried up for me. Between sA and WYP I've been draining credits left and right. I did meet a gal on WYP lilsass whom I saw and she was decent but not something worth repeating.
Be safe.
Jc.
[QUOTE=JimStark;4118332]Does anyone have luck with girls on SA from the Phoenix area? I've been here for a month and I don't feel like I'm being cheap, but it's been hard to find someone that's actually serious about meeting up.[/QUOTE]I've been on and off SA for about 4 years now. At first it was an absolute gold mine, but the last couple of years I've seen more and more flakes and girls expectations are way up. I still find the occasional good one but it is a ton of work.
[QUOTE=Dsprdo;4121795]I've been on and off SA for about 4 years now. At first it was an absolute gold mine, but the last couple of years I've seen more and more flakes and girls expectations are way up. I still find the occasional good one but it is a ton of work.[/QUOTE]Yeah it was pretty good about 3-4 years ago when I first tried it, but now the effort isn't worth it to me.
[QUOTE=PhxFunLover;4122695]Yeah it was pretty good about 3-4 years ago when I first tried it, but now the effort isn't worth it to me.[/QUOTE]What do you do instead? Are you back to escorts?