Confirmed I'm Fat and Ugly LOL
[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;6154721][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f6ead72e-500c-4219-9fc9-bbc8b0911e6e[/URL]
Robyn is real. Fun lady. She's been in the sugar game for a while now and has played on both coasts. Pics are accurate. Slim body type so if you're looking for tits and ass, she is not for you. In our initial message exchange she said $500 minimum. I told her that it was a high ask but not out of the question depending on our chemistry. During our m&g we hung out in Baltimore for drinks, which turned into dinner, which turned into more drinks, which ended in an Fc trip. Damage was a bar tab and dinner for the night. All access, all holes, uncovered.
Didn't plan to repeat because my dance card is full, but thought it was a fun night with an attractive lady (solid 7 in person and like I said, pics are accurate, but without the freshness of youth). She messaged me a few more times and her ppm ask came down to $300. The freebie Fc session was good, so I took it for a spin a few more times, but she started getting clingy. That is a definite no go for me. Maybe one of you single mongers will take her off the board?[/QUOTE]Is she older than 29? Because I wouldn't consider that an older lady LOL. I hit her up twice, no response.
[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;6154728][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e886957c-8d49-47ba-8f9f-5c2c722f1880[/URL]
Pics and profile are accurate. Private pics are more accurate of what you're going to get irl. Tho the main profile pic of her eating should've been a dead giveaway. She's real and dtf. Went to the Fc after the m&g. Uncovered but no anal. Fun lady, with a $400 ppm allowance request. Too far for me to see if a regular basis so she is a one and done. Besides there are plenty of other ladies out there with lower asks.[/QUOTE]It's confirmed I'm fat and ugly LOL. I talked to this girl too. Firstly, I offered 300 for dinner dates, and she countered with 600 and wouldn't budge. Next, I told her 600 is fine if we're meeting for a a whole evening, 5 - 6 hours, and it's bare. She denies the bare and says she has to leave by 11 PM. I ask what she's concerned about, I can show her clean tests from less than 2 weeks ago, and I can show her tests that I'm sterile. She stills says no to bare. I tell her "okay, best of luck" and she says "you too" and that's the end of it LOL.
[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;6154732][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/1c72462f-8a2e-4b9c-9a9c-7ce67e61b68b[/URL]
For someone claiming to be a lesbian, this one loves the D and has no interest in having her carpet munched. It was odd, but guess that's why she is on seeking? All covered, no anal, but low ask for an allowance off the bat at $300. Met for tea and then it was off to the races.
Don't plan to repeat because it felt more like a backpage experience, except she is a true sub who loves being pounded hard. Got the impression that I was just one of many in a large rotation.[/QUOTE]Msged her twice and no response to me.
[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;6154767]It's been a wild month gents, and I'm happy to report that unicorns do exist. Had more than my fair share of m&gs, weeding through scammers and gold diggers, but the bowl is alive and well. Not the heyday, or the golden age of sugar like in the years past, but added 3 college co-Ed's to my rotation and each is a unicorn in her own right.
The first I already reported on. Solid 7 and super sweet. Has a true daddy fetish, refuses any meaningful allowance and when we go out, she will only order house salads and a drink or two. Yes, our sessions continue to take place back in her college dorm. Yes, it's awkward when I am walking down the hallway and bump into other students while I'm with her. Thankfully she's a senior with a single room to herself. It feels like I'm back in college when I'm with her, on her bed, discussing philosophy, etc.
Second that got added to rotation is a sophomore at a local university. Blonde spinner type. First in her family to go to college so she's super motivated to succeed. Looking for a mentor type daddy and eager to please. Allowance ask is low with the understanding that I be semi reliable. Completely new to the game but was willing to grant access to all holes, which were all super tight. For now she says she wants a cover since she wasn't on birth control, but let's me unload bb in her ass and mouth. Once she gets access through the student health center, she promises that we are off to the races. Another one with a ddlg fetish. This one is out of state, but close enough to visit at least 3 to 4 times a month pretty easily.
Third in rotation is a freshman blonde spinner. Also new to the bowl and very inexperienced sexually. Thankfully she is eager to learn and please. When I try to have a conversation about what I want her to do, or what I plan to do to her, she buries her face into me. Like number 2, is not on the pill so need covers. Isn't comfortable with anal (yet) but with any luck, I'll be stretching out that ass in a few months. Allowance is currently $500 ppm, and if she goes on Bc and let's me take her anal virginity, then she will be worth it. Thankfully though, like number 2, she is out of state, because otherwise, I'd see her way too often and would be broke.
Haven't seen my older baby who is interested in a threesome in about six weeks but have been exchanging messages weekly. Schedules haven't been coinciding, which is mostly my fault because I've been too active on seeking. According to her she got sick of the gold diggers on SA and so switched to fetlife and a few other non traditional dating sites to find our third. Some of the profiles she has been sending me are promising. Though I'm waiting for that awkward moment when she sends me a profile of someone I've already m&ged or banged.
Athlete baby has been busy with school and sports. Haven't seen her in a few weeks either, but with school starting and team practices, I'm sure her schedule is crazy. I'm not complaining though since I wouldn't have had time to see her anyway. I suspect she might get dropped from current rotation soon. Sorry gents. Can't share her profile since she deleted her seeking profile, nor would I want to in case I want to add her back.
Two other long timers in rotation are going strong. See then each about 1 nce every six weeks. They both seem happy, don't ask for higher allowance amounts, or get clingy. The bowl has been good to me in 2022 so far.
And BTW. If we get an earnings recession in Q4 of this year, I'm expecting the bowl to be flooded with pussy. Happy hunting gents.[/QUOTE]So far it's still been slim pickings for me. Only 4 girls in the rotation, and not a single one that checks all the boxes. Either they won't do bare, or they suck in bed, or they're annoying as hell, or they cost too much. Sometimes multiple of those at once. At this point, I'd settle for a 9/10 who fucks well BB and isn't retarded to talk to, even if she asked for high allowance.
[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;6154902][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c14f67fa-73f9-4f91-814d-4544e94368af[/URL]
Starts at $1 k p / date. Can be negotiated to $500. Cannot host, not on bc so requires covers. BBBJ technique is good, covered FS, no back door with me. Definitely overpaid on this one, but pulled the trigger in a moment of weakness.[/QUOTE]Confirmed I'm fat and ugly again lollllll. Started with 1 k, wouldn't come down. Sure, she was coming from north of baltimore to VA to see me, but still. Meetings were short as hell, less than 2 hours, and she was kind of annoying to talk to. She did let me go bare, and I think I may have creampied her once or twice since I showed her I'm sterile. Ended up cutting her off, not worth the high cost / hour.
What are some tips for negotiating for next visits after sleeping with them
I agree that once you've slept with them once, they know you are a safe fun time and probably can make them orgasm like rockets. They have now given away most of their leverage. I have negotiated somewhat on subsequent visits but any wording, guidelines, and tips would be appreciated for negotiating allowance down and possibly all the way to free.
[QUOTE=ProCatHunter;6155330]Timing also plays a key role. It's been discussed on this an lots of other sugar forums, but end of month when rent and bills come due, and before that biweekly or weekly paycheck hits will make a lot of these ladies do what they wouldn't otherwise consider something they might not otherwise.
Then once they sleep with you, you don't count against their number (though lots of these girls don't care about that) and have proven you're not a psycho murderer (plus points if you're fun in bed and make them cum), allowances come down and they are a lot more willing to work with you. This of course doesn't apply to the Merc types who used to dance or who are pros.
This is why I've always liked the sugar bowl, since things just get easier over time. The two that I've had in rotation for a few years are basically fuck buddies. They contact me when they're bored or need help, I do the same.
Anyway, and everyone with any experience in the bowl knows it's a YMMV game. I'm sure there are plenty of profiles you've messaged that wouldn't pay me the time of day. Perfect example is the girl who wouldn't do bb with me, but was happy to go bb with you. Maybe I caught her when she needed funds, but she made it clear to me that bb wasn't a menu option for me.
I've also found that interactions can be completely random. I've messaged some of these ladies in the past under different profiles and have been left of read. Oddly enough, under a new profile with the same pics and profile information, I'm the best thing since sliced bread? Often times, there is no ryhme or reason.
One thing is for sure though, after losing some weight, it has made a significant difference in terms of allowance rates and responses.[/QUOTE]
Counter moves for a high ppm
[QUOTE=DasHottCalla;6157094]Any tips on countering a high PPM offer without alienating the SB? I was proposed with a 650 ppm. If I knew exactly what I'm getting into, I may. But I can't justify that initially or even continuously. Do you guys have any tips on getting that number to come down?[/QUOTE]Shier mentioned it in a prior thread. The best counter to a high ppm is what most refer to as "game. " Problem is that "game" is incredibly difficult online. Short pithy charming responses that make someone laugh can also be misread and misconstrued via text / messaging / etc.
When I get hit with a high ask that isn't completely out of the question, or even when it is, but I really want to close the deal, Ill tell the SB that it's not a number that's out of the question, but really depends on the in-person chemistry. That's when Ill propose an in person date. If she's super hot, Ill go drinks at a bar at a high end restaurant with plans for dinner. I'll usually set the reservation for about 30 minutes after the scheduled meet and then hang at the bar. When the SB comes in, I tell her to meet me at the bar and that they are getting the table ready for you. This lets you feel her out over drinks. If you're not feeling the vibe you can abort and come up with an excuse to exit stage right before dropping cash on the meal. If things are going well, the hostess will grab you and the date when the table is ready.
After that, it's just a matter of convincing the SB to go to the Fc for less than her ask. With the exception of the pure mercs, most SBs are willing to drop the panties for a lot less than their initial ask, if you're able to mimic the guy that she would've banged for free if she met him on match, tinder, or out at a bar. You'll be surprised at how many of these ladies will drop their panties after a few glasses of wine, a few laughs, a wink and a smile. Once you get into their head, then any allowance on top of the Fc session is just gravy. Make her cum hard, and you've sealed the deal for a discounted rates in the future. Minus the wine and laughs.
Based on my experience there is no foolproof "game" that works on all girls. Some girls want the party guy that will show them a good time, some want the dark silent brooding type, some want the older experienced mentor, etc etc. Find your wheelhouse and play to your strengths.
One thing that I've noticed all girls do want, which is something Shier also mentioned, is that want someone who comes across as confident. Don't confuse this with arrogance. It's a fine line but the latter will kill a date pretty quickly. Also, even a hint of desperation will also deep six your shot of lowering a high ppm ask, and might even kill the shot at getting to the Fc. This is where having a strong rotation makes getting more pussy easy. If you don't need to seal the deal because your rotation is stacked, the SB will get that sense. Plus being older and in a situation where I truly DGAF, also helps.
I swear that most ladies have some sort of radar for measuring how much a guy wants to fuck them. When they get the sense that you're willing to walk, it makes them want you more because of the need for an ego affirmation (eg why doesn't he want to fuck me? What do I need to do to make him want me? Etc).
This is also where being relatively fit, dressing nicely etc also come into play (also mentioned recently). Based on conversations I've had with lots of these girls, there are a lot of mongers out there who have difficulty with basic hygiene, who are obese, don't take care of themselves, smell bad, are complete asshats, etc. These dudes expect SBs to drop the panties for the allowance only. Many do, but that's also why they start with the high ppms. Differentiate yourself with basic hygiene, decent clothes, a modicum of style, being height weight proportionate, slightly charming, and relatively respectful, then both pussy and lower allowance amounts shouldn't be too hard to come by. If you're relatively decent looking, then the pussy will come at an even lower price.
Dimples. Tried to respond to your DM with info