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[QUOTE=Nightknight]I have visited a few hostess bars and strip bars of late. For those of you who are old timers at this, what tactics do you use to maintain control of your bankroll and minimize the amount of drinks that you buy the hostess? Also, what do you do in the situation when they want you to buy their friend, or cousin, or manager, or owner a drink? I have had this happen to me several times. It almost seems like a modus operandi when you are a new customer to a given bar. Is it just that they are playing me for a sucker since I don't have that much experience visiting these establishments or are they just legitimately feeling me out to make sure that I am not LE before offering me extras? I know that they always ask where you live and what you do for a living both to make conversation and more importantly to feel you out.
Have you ever switched hostesses mid-stream during a single visit (i.e. buy one hostess a few drinks then after noticing a more interesting hostess switch to that one)? Can this be done without pissing off the original hostess you were with?
In order to save time and money, do you ever walk into a hostess bar for the first time and immediately ask if they have private rooms available? Can you get away with this or does it raise a red flag with the hostess and manager/owner?
Also, are there any hostess bars in Honolulu with private rooms for less than $3? The pricing is very expensive especially considering that you may only end up with a HJ and DATY for your trouble (or less). I know that there are places with semi-private areas for less money, but isn't there less action available in these places? Also, is it common for a hostess to ask for more money once you are in the room? Any advice and insights would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]IMO, they are playing you for a sucker when they bring someone else and want you to buy drinks for them..
If girls are desperate or business is slow, it is possible to negotiate down to $2 for Champagne Room action in vbs.
for $3, you should get more than HJ or DATY. at the very least, you should get a BJ, but that depends on the girl... before you agree to take them to the room, you should ask what them what you are getting for your $3.
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Imo
[QUOTE=Nightknight]I have visited a few hostess bars and strip bars of late. For those of you who are old timers at this, what tactics do you use to maintain control of your bankroll and minimize the amount of drinks that you buy the hostess? Also, what do you do in the situation when they want you to buy their friend, or cousin, or manager, or owner a drink? I have had this happen to me several times. It almost seems like a modus operandi when you are a new customer to a given bar. Is it just that they are playing me for a sucker since I don't have that much experience visiting these establishments or are they just legitimately feeling me out to make sure that I am not LE before offering me extras? I know that they always ask where you live and what you do for a living both to make conversation and more importantly to feel you out.
Have you ever switched hostesses mid-stream during a single visit (i.e. buy one hostess a few drinks then after noticing a more interesting hostess switch to that one)? Can this be done without pissing off the original hostess you were with?
In order to save time and money, do you ever walk into a hostess bar for the first time and immediately ask if they have private rooms available? Can you get away with this or does it raise a red flag with the hostess and manager/owner?
Also, are there any hostess bars in Honolulu with private rooms for less than $3? The pricing is very expensive especially considering that you may only end up with a HJ and DATY for your trouble (or less). I know that there are places with semi-private areas for less money, but isn't there less action available in these places? Also, is it common for a hostess to ask for more money once you are in the room? Any advice and insights would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
- When you step into a bar, you are either in control, or you are a victim.
- When you go into a room, it is not a certainty that you will be offered any extras.
- Until you gain more experience, it is best if you lay back and choose your girl carefully. They can get very posessive, and catty.
- Buying drinks for "sisters", "mamas": Think of some witty answers ahead of time, and show some humor or amusement when you deliver the refusal. I would bail if a chick did that to me. They are using you. Don't be pathetic by continuing to feed this type of chick.
- Learn the ropes by hanging at the bar and not doing anything at all but observing the situation. If you are keen, soon it will be like swimming in the ocean, nothing will suprise or phase you. Otherwise you will be pulled and tossed about at the expense of your wallet and your self-esteem.
- The bar is [I]THEIR[/I] home. That is how they can feel comfortable pulling this kind of stuff. When you can make it [I]YOUR[/I] home as well, then you can keep an eye out for the fresh meat, and the old timers will have nothing on you as far as the tricks of their trade.
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When you first go into a bar (if they don't know you), the girls will try to "feel" you out. They want to know what kind of spender you are, if you are "sugar daddy" material or a tightwad small/non spender. Do not first go into a bar and ask about the rooms. They figure that they have a major sucker and will try to soak you for as much as they can, or that you are LE and which you can go to the room and spend lots of bucks and get jack sh...
Best to go to the bar and sit on the bar area and watch the girls. That way you can see which girls are the ones that drink fast, they are the ones that keep coming up to the bar for their drinks very often.
Most of the girls will not come up to you, if you see a girl that you like, you should say hi to her and try to engage her in conversation. When you do sit with a girl and buy her drinks, they may try to see how much you will spend. Buy them a first drink and then if the girl guzzles the drink and asks for another in the next 3 - 10 minutes, tell her "whoa, too fast", ask her to slow down and see if she will still stay. If she doesn't, then good riddance to her and move on to the next girl. Same goes if the girl asks you to buy the mama or their friends drinks, they want to see how much of a sucker you are, if you do, they know they have a prime sucker on their hands and will try to milk you for as much as they can.
Beware, do not get taken by the girls and what they say! They are there for one thing, to make money. If you are talking about the viet bars, the girls are more agressive and suggestive, whether you get anything out of it is dependent on the girls and we all know, YMMV. They will say anything to keep getting you to spend money on them. Do not take it personally, or get mad for the girls being ROB (rip off bitches) or con artists, that's their job. If you want to have a meaningful relationship with a girl, meet one from church. Sorry for being so harsh, but to the bar girls, this is a business and you are just another customer. they are good at what they do, which is to make you feel good enough with the girl that you spend lots of money on them.
If you want to switch girls mid stream, do not expect the first girl to be nice to you much unless you spend lots of money on her. How would you feel if a girl switched from you to another guy, then wanted to come back to you again, same thing.
Like everybody else says, the girls at the vb's are in it for the money. If you are willing to take care of her and be her sugar daddy, spending lots of money on her and taking care of her when the bar is slow, good luck. If you want any type of meaninful relationship with a vb girl, expect to spend lots of money on her.
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[QUOTE=Member 69]How would you feel if a girl switched from you to another guy, then wanted to come back to you again.[/QUOTE]That's SOP!
Good write-up, by the way. I would add that there are K-girls that are starving for affection, but sometimes you need to pass through hoops to prove you are worthy. Other times it just happens. Its a costly and time consuming sport, but it can also be a rewarding one. Tips are great but ultimately you need to put in your hours and pay your dues.
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Saw in Advertiser that Club Asia is moving to Kapiolani Blvd. and will be having a grand re-opening on Thurs.,Fri. and Sat. Will definately check it out and post a report. Anybody else going?
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[QUOTE=Jack Mehoff]Saw in Advertiser that Club Asia is moving to Kapiolani Blvd. and will be having a grand re-opening on Thurs.,Fri. and Sat. Will definately check it out and post a report. Anybody else going?[/QUOTE]Right, Asia moved to the old friends location. Illusion, being run by the gay guy, Binh, is now at the old Asia location.
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[QUOTE=Eastt River]Right, Asia moved to the old friends location. Illusion, being run by the gay guy, Binh, is now at the old Asia location.[/QUOTE]
So does this mean its going to be a gay bar now?
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[QUOTE=Jack Mehoff]So does this mean its going to be a gay bar now?[/QUOTE]
That's a good one! FYI Ben is the brother of one of the girls that used to work at Romantei. I can't remember who it was, but I'm thinking Lina.
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[QUOTE=John Ross]That's a good one! FYI Ben is the brother of one of the girls that used to work at Romantei. I can't remember who it was, but I'm thinking Lina.[/QUOTE]Don't think that Ben is Lyna's brother. Lyna works with her sister Jackie and a half brother at Asia. The half brother is haole but has a viet accent and bartends there.
FYI, there will be a "theme night" every night of their grand opening. Thursday will be hawaiian night, I'm assuming with the coconut shell bras (hopefully).
The girls have a contest going, the one who is voted on as the best gets something from lyna, not sure what.
They moved the booths around to make everything more private. should be good.
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Misty
I went by Misty I again this week. I wanted to see if the same Vietnamese woman whom I met last month was working. I sat at the bar and ordered a drink. Soon, another woman I never met before came by me and said hello. She told me that the other woman I was looking for didn't show up that night. She then massaged my shoulders and asked me for a drink. I bought her one for 0.2 and we went to a booth. We chatted a while and then she asked if I wanted to go to the other booth in the back.
I agreed, and bought her another drink for 0.4 which is the going price at that booth. She then hinted that there might be more fun available. She asked how many drinks I had bought the other lady, and I told her, "Two back here." She said that she could do the same thing, so I gave her another 0.4. Later after getting her second drink, she excused herself for a moment and then returned. She showed me her chest (enhanced Cs) and removed her underwear but kept her dress on. I began to think, maybe this is more than I was expecting. However, she then proceeded to give me a HJ. After we were done, she asked for a tip. I wasn't expecting that, but I offered her 0.1. She wanted 0.2, and I obliged her.
In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have since it was nice but nothing spectacular. Including my own drink and the tips to the bartender, I spent 1.29 for the evening's adventure. I would not repeat the experience with her. Afterwards I went to the restroom, and then stepped back into the club area. I noted that there were no dancers on the stages at all; there were none when I entered either. I then headed for the door. This woman did not stick around to escort me out.
As I mentioned in a previous posting, most of the hostesses at Misty appear to be in their late 30's to 40's.
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Who were the 2 women? Were they both kinda old? The one you got the HJ from ,was she viet. or filipino?
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[QUOTE=Jack Mehoff]Who were the 2 women? Were they both kinda old? The one you got the HJ from ,was she viet. or filipino?[/QUOTE]Both women are Vietnamese. I have to admit that I was a naughty boy and got a HJ from both of them after purchasing two $40 drinks in the back booth. The woman I met on my first visit told me that she was in her 40's. I enjoyed the sensation of the HJ since it was of course bareback. This is why I went back for a second visit. I was hoping to get a repeat at a lower price.
Bareback definitely feels better than covered anything. However, anything bareback besides a HJ is very risky considering how many customers these women interact with. I don't fully understand why guys are willing to risk their lives just to have the additional pleasure that BB interaction provides. I understand that it feels a LOT better, but what about the risk of exchanging diseases or spreading it to future customers. Why don't we all play it safe when interacting with these hostesses. We can always look for a girlfriend to have BB activities with.
In the case of the second woman, I had to do some math. First she told me how long she had lived in Hawaii. Then I asked her how old she was when she first got here. She hesitated a while and then came up with an answer that would make her current age around 35. However, based on her hesitation, I have a feeling she was doing a little math of her own in order to make her current age come out to a more appealing number. She also initially hesitated when I asked her if she had any children. Then I believe that she admitted to having a daughter. At that point, I kind of teased her about not remembering if she had any children. Later after the HJ, she mentioned having a son of the same age that she had said her daughter was. She said that she wanted a tip because she was saving money for her son's future college expenses. So apparently, initially she couldn't remember that she had a child, and then later she forgot what her child's gender was. I guess that is what happens when you start making up stories. It gets hard to keep track of them. ...Why, I am starting to think that even the names these hostesses give out are fake. :-)
Some of these women are apparently very distrustful of men. One lady at another club whom I have gotten to know a little better told me that she tells most men that she lives in one area of the island when in fact she doesn't. It is hard to sift through the truth and lies, but often their body language or hesitation is a tip off. I mean, if you ask a woman if she has any children and it takes her 10 seconds to finally respond with an answer, you know that something is going on. On the other hand, if they have rehearsed their answers many times, it is much harder to spot dishonesty. One thing I really dislike is when a hostess calls you honey without meaning it. Maybe it is because they already forgot your name.
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[QUOTE=Nightknight]Both women are Vietnamese. I have to admit that I was a naughty boy and got a HJ from both of them after purchasing two $40 drinks in the back booth. The woman I met on my first visit told me that she was in her 40's. I enjoyed the sensation of the HJ since it was of course bareback. This is why I went back for a second visit. I was hoping to get a repeat at a lower price.
Bareback definitely feels better than covered anything. However, anything bareback besides a HJ is very risky considering how many customers these women interact with. I don't fully understand why guys are willing to risk their lives just to have the additional pleasure that BB interaction provides. I understand that it feels a LOT better, but what about the risk of exchanging diseases or spreading it to future customers. Why don't we all play it safe when interacting with these hostesses. We can always look for a girlfriend to have BB activities with.
In the case of the second woman, I had to do some math. First she told me how long she had lived in Hawaii. Then I asked her how old she was when she first got here. She hesitated a while and then came up with an answer that would make her current age around 35. However, based on her hesitation, I have a feeling she was doing a little math of her own in order to make her current age come out to a more appealing number. She also initially hesitated when I asked her if she had any children. Then I believe that she admitted to having a daughter. At that point, I kind of teased her about not remembering if she had any children. Later after the HJ, she mentioned having a son of the same age that she had said her daughter was. She said that she wanted a tip because she was saving money for her son's future college expenses. So apparently, initially she couldn't remember that she had a child, and then later she forgot what her child's gender was. I guess that is what happens when you start making up stories. It gets hard to keep track of them. ...Why, I am starting to think that even the names these hostesses give out are fake. :-)
Some of these women are apparently very distrustful of men. One lady at another club whom I have gotten to know a little better told me that she tells most men that she lives in one area of the island when in fact she doesn't. It is hard to sift through the truth and lies, but often their body language or hesitation is a tip off. I mean, if you ask a woman if she has any children and it takes her 10 seconds to finally respond with an answer, you know that something is going on. On the other hand, if they have rehearsed their answers many times, it is much harder to spot dishonesty. One thing I really dislike is when a hostess calls you honey without meaning it. Maybe it is because they already forgot your name.[/QUOTE]
of course, they are going to lie to you. they aren't there to make friends. they are there to take money from you. you are their prey.
can't blame them for lying about where they live. they make all the guys think they love em and probably have tons of stalkers..
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I hope you guys who visit the VN bars don't get jacked out of shape about this, but I just have to make a few comments. I don't visit these places, and sort of stumbled on this thread in error. I read a few posts and I must say that all of this sounds so familiar. I was in Vietnam in the late 60's/early 70's. The MO was the same. In those days, they called what these ladies drink "Saigon Tea". This means that it's non-alchoholic so the ladies can drink lots of it and not lose their composure. You pay out the wazoo for it and that's one way the ladies have of parting you from your money. I don't understand why you don't go to an AMP. They do have VN ladies at some of these places and for a well-known price, you get a known service. It's very intimate and lots of fun.
Just my opinion. To each his own poison I guess.
Lex
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[QUOTE=LexLuther]I don't understand why you don't go to an AMP. They do have VN ladies at some of these places and for a well-known price, you get a known service. It's very intimate and lots of fun.[/QUOTE]Lex,
I am not offended. I have been to a few AMPS, and yes, they are fun. I think that the fun in visiting a Vietnamese or Korean Bar is in the chase. Also, the uncertain outcome can make things more interesting. Have you ever had a woman who was throwing herself at you to the point that you weren't interested. There wasn't any challenge in it. Spending time with a hostess is a challenge to a certain degree. You are trying to see what kind of relationship you can create with the least expense. It can get expensive, but you sometimes meet women who want to spend time with you outside of the club. It is always nice to find a woman who wants your company without your having to pay for it. This means that the woman at least on a certain level likes you for you. Also, many of these hostesses have less mileage on them than AMP women. I also like to chat with strippers to see what kind of relationship I can develop with them. It is akin to what I think you referred to in another post as treating the provider as a human being.
I don't really enjoy being with a woman who doesn't even trust me enough to tell me her real name. If I am interested in a hostess/stripper/provider, I will see if she will entrust me with her name. That means that I have established enough rapport with her so that they feel comfortable enough to share with me an important part of who they really are. Many of these women won't do that but some will. I like to call them by their real names and break past the artificial image that they have created. At the same time, I would never reveal their real name without their permission. If I ever did refer to them by name on this forum, I would use their stage name.
On the other hand, many guys who patronize these various places enjoy the illusion. They like the fantasy. They don't want to know the real woman. Different people are seeking different things. I like trying to establish real connections with people. Plus, it is good practice as I work on finding a girlfriend.
By the way, thanks for the history lesson. It was interesting. How long more are you going to be in town?
NightKnight