Angels! Next to traffic school!
Sorry guys, I didn't see a name or anything on this massage place. I think I saw it as Angels on BP. Anyway so I made the appointment at 10: 30, every other mp might have been closed by then. The woman I saw was like 38 or so and nice round hooters and booty. She was a latina, name is Nikki. Credit card machine was busted or something, so I paid $40 in cash. She asked to get " completely comfortable and put the tip on the table". Well I had $40 more in cash so I left it on table. She said she is on the drag. LOL and cannot offer me more than a handshake. That was fine but then I asked her to show me her ass, I can't believe she was that aged in the face, but so smooth in ass and titties. Due to some reason she was saying over and over " you are so sweet ", I am kinda shy but, well she gave me her number. Over all, alright experience, would repeat as price is low.
Some good tips I found on Tampa site - Recommended reading
Hello Gents,
Below is a list of advice I found on the Tampa Massage Parlor thread. I found most of the info very helpful and would think this should be posted right up there along side the 22 rules of mongering.
Hope it helps,
Blunt
[QUOTE]Experiences like Roy's are probably not all that uncommon, so I thought it might be helpful for some to make a list of some of the sorts of things to do and/or look out for when going to an AMP to increase your liklihood of success. I know for most of the regular posters much of this is old hat, but it could help some of the newbies lurking out there. BTW, I'm FAR from being an expert on this area, so you guys with much more experience and expertise than me feel free to weigh in with critiques and/or additions you think are needed:
[b]1) ADVANCE RESEARCH[/b] If you aren't prepared to risk TOFTT, then stick to AMPs that you've been to before and are proven or at least ones that have been reviewed. But if you feel you just HAVE to try out a new unknown place or provider, then it becomes even more critical to follow the rest of this list.
[b]2) BEFORE YOU LEAVE HOME[/b] - SHOWER and otherwise make yourself presentable. This is a little less critical if you plan to get a table shower once there, but even then you don't want to show up in sweaty smelly clothes. No provider is going to like having to rub her hands all over the body of a stinky guy or one who doesn't take care of his hygiene. Similarly, you might want to brush your teeth before going, not that your mouth is directly involved in the massage, but having bad breath certainly won't add to a favorable impression (or lead to any DFK later if that's what you're into). Personally speaking I think this is probably FAR worse of a problem on the girls part, who often have kimchee breath (at least I hope its just kimchee) and DFK is usually not on MY menu of what I want to do with any AMP girl, YMMV.
[b]3) BEFORE ENTERING[/b] Few if any AMPs or providers will actually steal from their customers, but why tempt fate? Don't bring any more cash (or credit cards or jewelry) into the place then you need to pay the bill and what you might be prepared to tip. Also, if you bring your cellphone in with you, it might be a good idea to turn it off or put it on vibrate so if someone calls during your session it won't disrupt it (or anyone else's)
[b]4) BEEN THERE, DONE THAT[/b] -When you enter the place, if or when they ask if you've ever been there before ALWAYS say you have. If they ask for details (like which attendant you were with) be vague - say it has been a while (unless you know the place just opened) and you don't remember her name (unless of course you HAD been there recently and DO remember her name). This provides them with greater assurance, albeit still imperfect, that you aren't a cop. Of course, this ruse does not work so well if we're talking about a private practitioner rather than an actual shop.
[b]5) SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING BEFORE BUYING[/b] - Hopefully, you know the door rates from reading reviews or past visits, but if its one of those unreviewed situations where you're pretending to be a past customer just act like you forgot. However, it is usually $60 for a half hour or $80 for an hour around here. Perhaps the most important part about door rates or base fees is NEVER pay at the window WITHOUT seeing who will actually be giving you your massage. Some AMPs are very secretive about these things (usually because their attendants are all old or ugly). INSIST on seeing BEFORE paying any money. Sometimes they'll say the girl is busy with another customer (particularly a problem in smaller shops with limited attendants), in which case ask for HOW LONG and then decide whether you want to wait, come back or try again on another day. Figure they may underestimate how long the girl really has left with her other customer for fear of losing you and you walking out the door.
[b]6) HOW A GIRL DRESSES CAN SAY A LOT ABOUT HER[/b] - Its not just about whether the attendant is pretty enough to spark your interest. Ideally she should also be dressed in a manner to at least suggest this is going to be more than just a massage. I've seen places where the girls all wear bikini tops and shorts or skirt (w/o hose), other places where they wear lingerie, other places wear they wear some sort of attendant uniform (like a maid or nurse style dress, again w/o hose). Of course, the sexier the outfit the less likely this will be just a therapeutic massage, but it is still no guarantee that it won't be just false advertising intended to make you THINK more will be on the table. At the very least they should be showing at least a little skin that you could conceivably reach out and touch (to send your signal of interest). IMHO, any form of long pants is not a very positive sign.
[b]7) GETTING COMFORTABLE[/b] - Once you get in the room, the girl will usually ask for the house fee, assuming they haven't already taken your money at the door. Once you pay her, she'll usually ask you to get comfortable and then disappear for a while to get towels, hand the money in, get change or whatever. Sometimes this can take a few minutes. Personally, I'd find this time a bit awkward, standing around naked in a room at a strange place, wondering whether I'm gonna get the session I'm expecting or simply wondering what the heck is taking so long and whether all that time she seems to be taking getting back to me is going to count against the time I just paid for. Any way this is the part we were talking about before about being the time to toss modesty aside and get COMPLETELY naked. I can't say for anglo MPs, but I think you can be pretty sure that korean woman with the heavy accent is not undercover LEO and you're getting naked helps assure her that you aren't either
[b]8 ) TO TABLE SHOWER OR NOT TO TABLE SHOWER[/b] - for many guys this is one of the best parts of going to an AMP. Even if you could take it or leave it, it has other advantages such as a) the girl will know you're fresh and clean before having to rub her hands all over your body and b) if there is any possibility of extras being on the table she will pay at least some attention to your private area and the degree to which she does will help you assess how open she might be to extras. The possible negative of going for the table shower is that it can eat into your massage and extras time, particularly if you only went for a half hour session (and at some places more delays that eat into your time while WAITING for them in the TS room). As I said before, at the very least, you want to shower shortly before going to the AMP or other provider, so that you're fresh and clean for her AND THEN TELL HER that you have if turning down the table shower.
[b]9) VERBAL BANTER[/b] - what you say can be just as important as what you do. You may not want to come right out and say "Let's fuck" as soon as she comes into the room (then again maybe you would), but you can and should make some suggestive comments right from the beginning, like telling her not just how pretty she is, but how sexy she looks or how much you like her legs, or breast or butt. And even if your comments are completely innocuous (at least to start), you could lead in with some light conversation. I know some of these gals speak little english, but most can usually manage such hackneyed questions as "how long you in america?" "how long you here?" "You likey work here?" (okay maybe you wouldn't say it quite that way even though she might). While not necessarily directly opening up the topic of extras, at the very least it will help relax the situation for both of you, let her know you are interested in her as a person and allow her to see you as more than just a slab of meat on her massage table. Then you can work your "tits and ass compliments" in a little later as the massage gets underway. If you think time is getting short and things need to be sped up, at some point you may even want to get even more suggestive or explicit in your comments ("We sucky and fucky now?":)), but try to exercise judgment on how crass you can get based on what signals she's been putting out. In other words that last comment probably wouldn't be appropriate if she hasn't done anything to suggest she might be at all interested in that.
[b]10) REACH OUT AND TOUCH SOMEONE[/b] - Hopefully she will have already started to send out signals from the beginning (e.g. by making extra sure your johnson was particularly clean during the table shower) but even if she hasn't it is never too early to start sending out signals of your own (e.g. reaching out to stroke her leg while you're still on your belly during the table shower). If it is at a regular masseuse or private practitioner (ie where a table shower isn't even on the table) and you do this, the worst that will happen is that you'll get politely rebuffed (in which case you might want to just settle in for a regular massage) or even more firmly rebuffed if you persist. But its not like with even regular legit masseuses they probably don't get regular come-ons, particularly if they're attractive and dressed even semi-sexily, so there's really little downside for at least trying.
It can get a little tricky doing some of this while lying on your belly. For example reaching backwards and upwards to touch their breast can be especially awkward. I find it helps to try and preposition your arms, although the masseuse may require you to keep your arms up or down depending on what part of the body she's trying to work.
For the most part, you may want to keep your arms down by your sides and as out towards the edges of the table as possible. That way you might start by simply letting your fingers touch her while she bumps against the side of the table. Then you might let your hands drift off the table to touch her legs or even ass if you can reach it.
The best time to play with her ass is actually when she moves around to the head of the table so she can do your neck and shoulders. If you've moved your arms up so that they're on either side of your head., it should be really easy to just reach forward and around to feel up her butt.
One other arm position to consider is if and when she actually gets up on the table with you (note this is something most LMT's don't normally have to do). The key here is not allow your arms to get trapped. So you might want to move them up to either side of your first and then as she settles down on your butt or lower legs, you can reach back to stroke her thighs, ass or lower legs. BTW, how much she settles down on to your body is another sign to look for. Does she only kneel on the table to your side or between your legs or does she really settle on your butt so you can feel her own ass and/or crotch squish down on yours? Actually, if she's only half-sitting on the table with the upper part of one leg and asscheek on the table with the other foot still on the floor, while leaning in to work your body, that would be a good time to reach back along the inner thigh of the leg on the table and toward her crotch. Piratical, did any of this turn you on? :)
[b]11) PASSIVE MOVEMENTS YOU CAN MAKE[/b] - The last item was about things you can do to actively initiate suggestive contact. There are also some things you can do passively that will encourage suggestive contact on her part. For example, one thing that I can think of that you might want to try doing is, when lying down on the table, try leaving your dick pointing downward towards your feet and your legs partially spread so that your dick is at least partially exposed from behind. This might encourage or at least better enable her to touch it when she gets down to that part of your body. Then when she's working your legs, particularly the upper back or even inner thighs, try deliberately and obviously spreading your legs a little wider to encourage her to delve deeper. If she does delve deeper you might even also try lifting your pelvis off the table a little bit to encourage her to reach underneath and play with your dick a little bit.
[b]12) INITIATE ACTIONS EARLY IN THE SESSION[/b] - It is important to start dropping your hints (or respond to the signals she started) as early in the session as possible. If the signals are strong enough, or you know from past direct experience or reviews, that more is on the menu and you're not much interested in the massage part you might even suggest the flip and "full-body" part yourself earlier in the session or even from the first get-go. But even if you're still just feeling each other out, you need to start sending the signals early in order to allow her sufficient time to act on it and not wind up with a rushed HJ in the final 2 minutes of your hour. And that might happen anyway, if you leave it to her to be completely in charge of the pace of the session. Plus, if its a matter of popping your load "too early", they'll nearly always do more massage after that if you want so you get your full hour's worth.[/quote][quote][b]13) ALWAYS RESPECT HER LIMITS[/b] - this is somewhat like a dance. You probably don't want to start out by simply ramming your finger through her panties and into her pussy and saying "Let's fuck now". More likely, at least the first time you and her each drop some subtle and some not so subtle hints in a progressive manner.
See how she reacts to all of this. Does she respond with a gentle scolding, "no no no" and a finger wag? Not a great sign. Or by moving your hand back on the table? More of a mixed signal, as she just may want to finish doing the massage properly before moving on to other things. Or does she let you do what you want without any comment or maybe even smile and joke about it? Definitely much more positive.
If the latter is the case, you can try to get even more forward, like by letting your hand slip between their legs and up under the skirt to her pantied crotch (assuming she's wearing a skirt. If you discover she isn't wearing any panties, then you know you've really struck gold and you might even try for the FF, but usually they'll make you wait for later before they let you go that far (after all they don't want to give too much away for free.
OTOH, if its the former case, then its like Speedracer said. You just gotta accept your losses. And if the attendant is not making anything off of your mistake in going there, as IM said, then its not really fair to take your frustration out on her by not tipping her anything for time and effort.
[b]14) TIPPING[/b] - at some point hopefully not too close to the end of your session, the attendant will ask you to flip over and will briefly massage your front. If that's all there is, that might be all there is. But if that's all she does then its time for you to force the issue by specifically asking her if she will do anything extra for you. Now, probably begins the next stage of the dance, with each of you more or less coyly saying what you have in mind. She may do something like stroke your upper thigh and lower belly while asking if there anywhere else that you need massaged or she might even actually start stroking your dick while asking what else you want. One way to approach it would to take her hand and move it to your dick, if she was dancing around that. Or you might use hand gestures to indicate what you have in mind (like moving your hand up and down towards your mouth to indicate a bj or sliding your index finger in and out of your partially clenched other hand to indicate fucking) or you might come right and say it. The latter can be a little dicey because you never can be sure what sort of monitoring devices and possibly recorders they might have hidden about the room. You also probably don't want to say it too loud because the walls can be pretty thin in those places. After that she may nod her head or otherwise indicate her possible willingness by asking you how much you're willing to pay or again using hand gestures to indicate how much she expects for what you just asked for (e.g. 1 finger might mean $100, 1 and 5 $150 or 2 fingers $200, etc.)
I gather that $120 on top of the $80 door fee is considered a good price around here (Tampa) for a CBJ and FS, but that price differs from shop to shop and region to region and I've heard of some girls asking MUCH more than that at some shops around town. You should find out (if possible) what an acceptable would be for where your going and what you expect to get so that you can avoid overpaying and screwing up the market for your fellow consumers. Maybe the others can give better advice here, but I think this comes down largely to how you feel comfortable handling it
[b]15) COMING BACK[/b] -this is where I have a difference of opinion with some of the others. If you had a good session or at least you are happy with what you got and what you had to pay for it, then certainly you should consider repeating with that shop or provider. You can probably expect the same level or service (or possibly better) on your next visit. OTOH, if you did not get what you were hoping for, should you go back on the HOPE that it will be better the next time. If the provider flatly refused to do what everything you wanted her to do and gave no reason at all for you to expect that to change, then IMHO you'd be a fool to go back again and expect anything different. Sometimes the provider will tell you that the reason she wouldn't do certain things was because she didn't know you well enough and that if you come back maybe she'll do more. She MAY be telling the truth but IMHO it is just as likely if not more that is just a tactic to keep you coming back to spend more money and you'll never get much more than you already did. But even if it does take her longer to warm up to you, IMHO, she'd have to be really special to warrant that sort of investment because a) you still don't know how many visits it would take before she's ready to do what you want to do (if ever) and b) there are plenty of other providers who don't require multiple visits (and multiple session fees and tips) before they will open up to you.[/QUOTE]
Second trip to Royal Oriental...
I enjoyed my first trip to RO very much, the massage was excellent and its much closer to me than the European body place, so I decided to go back and see if I could get even more on a second visit. Did the same routine, TS first then the massage. TS seemed quicker this time but she did a real good job drying everywhere before going back to the room. Just as friendly and playful as last time.
My roaming started sooner into the massage this time, asked again if she'd remove the clothing but she refused again. Massage was good but after a bit she did the walking on the back thing. I never had this before so I figured I'd go with it. It was different, but I didn't enjoy it as much as just a good firm massage. It also gave me the impression that it was just a way for her to not have to work as hard.
The routine just prior to, and just after the flip, was the same with the only difference is this time there was no suggestion that I should 'take things into my own hands', she went straight for it, but must have remembered getting that errant spit of spunk on the face last time as she made it a point to point it away from her face. This time when tip-time came, I gave her the the same as last time (. 2) and she nicely asked that it should be more. I told her if the clothes came off the tip would have been higher. I don't think my chances there are going to be any better with another visit. With less effort for more results, I could just go back to the European place. Thats the plan.
Blunt
Don't do 2 girls at the european place in Hallandale
[QUOTE=Blunt]My last day in town was back to the European Body Rub place in Hallandale. Thanks Mac Millan for turning me on to this place. My first visit there was with Vanessa and it was good, she was beautiful but the massage portion of the visit was lame for the price. I decided that I was going to go with the taller short haired Russian looking girl. Now that I knew where it was and what it looked like. I. E. No signage what-so-ever. I decided to go there unannounced. Whanessa answered the door and recognized me and was very friendly, started caressing me right off the bat. I asked her if the other girl that was there last time was there. She said it was her day off. I asked if anyone else was available and she said there was but she was busy. I explained that I enjoyed my time with her but that I liked variety and I'd come back in an hour. I hit the beach for a while, checking out other scantily clad young females, then headed back.
Whanessa and another girl were in the lobby. Whanessa tried again to get me to go with the two girl option. Something I think I'm going to try on my next visit. But I decided to go just with the new face. This girl was cute, but not necessarily gorgeous, short, and had curly brown hair and an average body.
In the room, when I asked her to take off her clothes, "Sophia" proceeded to slowly and seductively strip for me. What a sight. She left her scanty panties on and refused to take them off no matter what, even when I offered "for more tips? " She claimed that I would roam and 'infect' her with the germs that are on everybody's fingers. Oh well, I decided to wait and see where things went after a few minutes of the massage, maybe I'd ask again after she started stroking. Her massage technique was great, very deep and relaxing. Much better than my first time there. Most roaming was allowed but I was gently stopped if I got too close to her 'sensitive areas'.
She did a very nice job massaging my ass with some good attention to the boys. Even before the flip, her hand was reaching down and around in the front. With my eyes closed it felt like I was doing her in mish. After a few minutes of this I had to pull her hand away as it was just too good and I didn't want to finish yet. Instead, I directed her hand back to the boys.
She proceeded to give me my best ever massage down there. She spent several minutes cupping, caressing, pulling, and pressing, in oh just the right way. It was absolute heaven. I've heard others refer to this as 'acupressure. ' This girl should get an award for her skills in it. I could have let her continue all day but I decided it was time to flip. It was a good thing her face wasn't too close or I would have poked her eye out. I instructed her to finish, but then to continue the massage when she was done. All the rest went well. I left a very happy man.
My next time in town I'm going to pop in and hope for the other girl that I haven't tried yet. If she's not there. And maybe even if she is. I might try out the "two-girl special" especially if one of them is Sophia, and see how that is.
When I do, I'll definitely report on it.
Can't wait to get back in town,
Blunt[/QUOTE]Nice report Blunt. Don't do the 2 girls thing at the european place. It will be twice as expensive (both the girls will want tips) and you won't even get half of what each girl might give you saperately. I got burnt like this 2 times here. The second time was worse, they said " no touching " the boobs. I was like what the hell! Instead, I would suggest go one after another and you will be four times as happy. LOL. By the way sophia removed her panties after a lotttttttttt of sugar talk and being sweet. And she said which clubs she goes to. If I wanted to catch up. What gets me is, none of those girls actually look like they would do this if you just see them outside.