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[Avunus]

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[Avunus]

I am very curious to know or learn information regarding the classification of "Loitering to Engage". I have seen this several times on county sites for individuals involved in hobbies; with this classification associated. I have attempted to search for information on this and regarding to this.

Something that I have found related to this classification of "Loitering to engage in solicitation" is terminology about "after positive HIV test".

What I am curious of, is, if an arrest is made and individual has above associated with their arrest, does this mean they are Positive for HIV, or is this pending a test, etc? Does anyone have any information related to this or can expound on this in any way, shape, or form.

I have noticed this classification on a few of the individuals in the local area recently; and I'm quite surprised at how many are associated with this classification, vs. Solicitation.

Any info would be greatly appreciated and would increase my knowledge base.

Thanks!

A

[Cincinnati Boy]

I am very curious to know or learn information regarding the classification of "Loitering to Engage". I have seen this several times on county sites for individuals involved in hobbies; with this classification associated. I have attempted to search for information on this and regarding to this.

Something that I have found related to this classification of "Loitering to engage in solicitation" is terminology about "after positive HIV test".

What I am curious of, is, if an arrest is made and individual has above associated with their arrest, does this mean they are Positive for HIV, or is this pending a test, etc? Does anyone have any information related to this or can expound on this in any way, shape, or form.

I have noticed this classification on a few of the individuals in the local area recently; and I'm quite surprised at how many are associated with this classification, vs. Solicitation.

Any info would be greatly appreciated and would increase my knowledge base.

Thanks!

AOn Policewoman of Cincinnati, they actually used this term to pick up two ladies because they couldn't get them on anything else. It was refered to by the one policewoman as a way to harass the ladies without having the prostitution charge available to them.

[Resipsaloquito]

I am very curious to know or learn information regarding the classification of "Loitering to Engage". I have seen this several times on county sites for individuals involved in hobbies; with this classification associated. I have attempted to search for information on this and regarding to this.

Something that I have found related to this classification of "Loitering to engage in solicitation" is terminology about "after positive HIV test".

What I am curious of, is, if an arrest is made and individual has above associated with their arrest, does this mean they are Positive for HIV, or is this pending a test, etc? Does anyone have any information related to this or can expound on this in any way, shape, or form.

I have noticed this classification on a few of the individuals in the local area recently; and I'm quite surprised at how many are associated with this classification, vs. Solicitation.

Any info would be greatly appreciated and would increase my knowledge base.

Thanks!

ALoitering to engage in prostitution is prohibited by Ohio Revised Code Section 2907. 241 (A) and its a misdemeanor of the 3rd Degree. If you do it after a positive HIV test it violates 2907. 241 (B) and becomes a felony of the 5th degree.

Different punishments involved.

The acts themselves are basically waiving, calling over and signalling with the intent to be involved in prostitution.

[Lauren09]

Does Ohio crack down more thank Kentucky?

[WarlockKy]

Does Ohio crack down more thank Kentucky?KY leaves it to the individual cities which is why a few like Louisville have an escort license ordinance in place which allows them to pop a girl just by her simply showing up on a paid gig even without providing any services.

Cincy also has Si Leis who's goal in life is to protect them from having fun of any kind whatsoever.

[Lugnutz]

Does Ohio crack down more thank Kentucky?I can't remember an escort sting in Northern Kentucky. I think they have cracked down on strip clubs in Newport and such over there, but not escorts.

Different story in Ohio, but it doesn't sound like a ton of activity outside SW action in the hot zones and occasionally some sting activity in Sharonville. They've been pretty active in the Eastgate / Union Twp / Clermont area too it sounds like. And it sounds like Cincinnati has had a couple of stings on outcall escorts over the past year, and those seem to have targeted specific companies / services or individuals from what I heard. But nothing I can remember in Kentucky.

[FallenAngel]

I just saw a notice on the news today about Ohio's proposed sex trafficking law. This should be of interest of people here. My experience with laws of this type is many of these laws designed to stop "human trafficking" are used to target those engaged in adult consensual activity in exchange for mediums of exchange. In some states I have seen the laws expand into making all so-called "johns" into registered citizens.

At the least, there is a concern that in the event you procure the services of someone who turns out to be younger than 18, regardless of whether you know it or not, then you could get the full harassment package, the registry, the Adam Walsh Act, community notification, residency restrictions, and so on. It is a proposal of interest to all of you.

To amend sections 109. 54, 2151. 281, 2151. 414, 2151. 419, 2901. 13, 2905. 32, 2907. 02, 2907. 05, 2907. 07, 2907. 22, 2907. 24, 2929. 01, 2937. 11, 2950. 01, and 4731. 41 and to enact sections 149. 435, 2907. 19, and 2907. 242 of the Revised Code to authorize a judge or magistrate to order the testimony of a victim of trafficking in persons to be taken by closed circuit television equipment under certain circumstances, to prohibit the release of routine police reports that contain identifying information about minor crime victims or uncharged arrestees unless the identifying information is redacted, to specify that a public children services agency or private child placement agency is not required to make reasonable efforts to prevent the removal of a child from the child's home, eliminate the continued removal of a child from the child's home, or return a child to the child's home and that a court find that a child cannot be placed with either parent under specified circumstances, to provide that a guardian ad litem can be appointed for a child in certain situations, to extend the period within which a prosecution for trafficking in persons must be commenced from six to twenty years after the offense is committed, to specify that the Rape Shield Law applies to evidence of a rape victim's involuntary sexual activity as well as evidence of a rape victim's voluntary sexual activity, to prohibit the admission of evidence pertaining to a victim's sexual activity in a case of trafficking in persons in the same manner as the Rape Shield Law does in a case of rape, to eliminate as an element of the offense of importuning the offender's knowledge or reckless disregard of the age of the person importuned when the person importuned is a victim of trafficking in persons who is 16 or 17 years of age, to provide that if a minor is a victim of trafficking in persons or human trafficking the state does not need to prove that the minor was compelled to engage in certain specified activities, to include in the offense of promoting prostitution certain specified activities that through electronic means promotes or facilitates sexual activity for hire, to increase the penalty for soliciting when the person solicited is a minor, to require offenders convicted of solicitation when the person solicited is under 18 years of age to register as sex offenders, to prohibit including the term "massage" or any other term that implies a massage technique or method in advertisements unless certain circumstances apply, and to declare an emergency.

[ClassASweetie]

Florence police did a sting last Tuesday. It was on backpage providers.


I can't remember an escort sting in Northern Kentucky. I think they have cracked down on strip clubs in Newport and such over there, but not escorts.

Different story in Ohio, but it doesn't sound like a ton of activity outside SW action in the hot zones and occasionally some sting activity in Sharonville. They've been pretty active in the Eastgate / Union Twp / Clermont area too it sounds like. And it sounds like Cincinnati has had a couple of stings on outcall escorts over the past year, and those seem to have targeted specific companies / services or individuals from what I heard. But nothing I can remember in Kentucky.

[Hargow20]

One thing to remember is that even if a minor shows you a fake DL. You can can still be convicted of statutory rape or this law. My guess however if you went to trial you could probably get off these laws. Either way it pays to use extra caution.


I just saw a notice on the news today about Ohio's proposed sex trafficking law. This should be of interest of people here. My experience with laws of this type is many of these laws designed to stop "human trafficking" are used to target those engaged in adult consensual activity in exchange for mediums of exchange. In some states I have seen the laws expand into making all so-called "johns" into registered citizens.

At the least, there is a concern that in the event you procure the services of someone who turns out to be younger than 18, regardless of whether you know it or not, then you could get the full harassment package, the registry, the Adam Walsh Act, community notification, residency restrictions, and so on. It is a proposal of interest to all of you.

To amend sections 109. 54, 2151. 281, 2151. 414, 2151. 419, 2901. 13, 2905. 32, 2907. 02, 2907. 05, 2907. 07, 2907. 22, 2907. 24, 2929. 01, 2937. 11, 2950. 01, and 4731. 41 and to enact sections 149. 435, 2907. 19, and 2907. 242 of the Revised Code to authorize a judge or magistrate to order the testimony of a victim of trafficking in persons to be taken by closed circuit television equipment under certain circumstances, to prohibit the release of routine police reports that contain identifying information about minor crime victims or uncharged arrestees unless the identifying information is redacted, to specify that a public children services agency or private child placement agency is not required to make reasonable efforts to prevent the removal of a child from the child's home, eliminate the continued removal of a child from the child's home, or return a child to the child's home and that a court find that a child cannot be placed with either parent under specified circumstances, to provide that a guardian ad litem can be appointed for a child in certain situations, to extend the period within which a prosecution for trafficking in persons must be commenced from six to twenty years after the offense is committed, to specify that the Rape Shield Law applies to evidence of a rape victim's involuntary sexual activity as well as evidence of a rape victim's voluntary sexual activity, to prohibit the admission of evidence pertaining to a victim's sexual activity in a case of trafficking in persons in the same manner as the Rape Shield Law does in a case of rape, to eliminate as an element of the offense of importuning the offender's knowledge or reckless disregard of the age of the person importuned when the person importuned is a victim of trafficking in persons who is 16 or 17 years of age, to provide that if a minor is a victim of trafficking in persons or human trafficking the state does not need to prove that the minor was compelled to engage in certain specified activities, to include in the offense of promoting prostitution certain specified activities that through electronic means promotes or facilitates sexual activity for hire, to increase the penalty for soliciting when the person solicited is a minor, to require offenders convicted of solicitation when the person solicited is under 18 years of age to register as sex offenders, to prohibit including the term "massage" or any other term that implies a massage technique or method in advertisements unless certain circumstances apply, and to declare an emergency.

[3-Minute Passion]

But I wonder if anyone can comment on this.

I have heard through the grapevine that when one pulls over to talk with a SW LE will, on occasion, pull up and bring you in. This will entail impounding your car and though it may turn out they do not have enough to prosecute you or the SW because nothing occurred, they can still make your life miserable. Pretty tough to make a case to the Mrs. Why you were trolling McM, RR or COV, which is why LE does this.

[Golfcart]

But I wonder if anyone can comment on this.

I have heard through the grapevine that when one pulls over to talk with a SW LE will, on occasion, pull up and bring you in. This will entail impounding your car and though it may turn out they do not have enough to prosecute you or the SW because nothing occurred, they can still make your life miserable. Pretty tough to make a case to the Mrs. Why you were trolling McM, RR or COV, which is why LE does this.Gitanacv, we should not be pulling up to a SW and speak with her while she remains outside our car in the first place. When we pull up to her and she does not immediately get in we should drive off.

Being inside our car with us would compromise her security. If she is a LE plant she will not get in. That's the first indication she is a possible LE plant. The premises of your question is a fact situation we should not let happen.

Second, it is hard to answer questions like "What can the police do when such and such happens?" when we never know what LE knows when they approach us. A car of the same make and model and with the same left tail light out could be on their radar based upon something occurring earlier in the area. Even though that guy and car is not us this could allow LE to make a stop, an inventory search of our car and even a custodial arrest leading to the impoundment of our car. Police need Probably Cause, not Perfect Cause. Too bad for us it may not be straightened out until in the morning. Too bad for us if this happens in a known streetwalker area. We are always at risk of LE having "probable cause" based on another police report and we are simply confused with the other guy.

When you think about it police work cannot be done in any other way.

Acting like a monger, fitting the profile of a monger in a streetwalker area could give LE authority to make a brief "investigative stop." The scope of this could be expanded based upon what happens during the "investigative stop." Everything inside our car that can be seen from the outside is in "plain view" and is subject to seizure if it something we should not have. A response by us that is "disorderly conduct" could get our ass arrested and our car impounded just for that. That can happen when LE lets him go and he decides to give LE a piece of his mind. We don't fuck with LE on the street.

Police do not want to hassle law abiding citizens. This happens when law abiding citizens put themselves in positions of looking like something far different. This is the reality of things.

[3-Minute Passion]

The police can do what they want regardless of one's actions. If they believe you are mongering they will arrest you first and ask questions later because even if they do not, in the end, have enough evidence to charge you they will make your life so miserable you will not monger again anytime soon. Also, it appears there are many instances in which the police, these days, are fabricating disorderly conduct. Frightening the number of videos that are popping up catching police brutalizing law-abiding citizens.

[Golfcart]

The police can do what they want regardless of one's actions. If they believe you are mongering they will arrest you first and ask questions later because even if they do not, in the end, have enough evidence to charge you they will make your life so miserable you will not monger again anytime soon. Also, it appears there are many instances in which the police, these days, are fabricating disorderly conduct. Frightening the number of videos that are popping up catching police brutalizing law-abiding citizens.No. You want to do your job right. So do the police.

[3-Minute Passion]

No. You want to do your job right. So do the police.You and I are going to disagree on the police doing what is right. Too many young woman are being hauled in on baseless charges, only to be released after being confined for a week or more. Also, when one reviews where abuse takes place, statistically, police are high on the list. I am sure I am not alone in being told by providers that police have hit on them and get aggressive and / or violent if their advances are rejected.

But my original question was whether anyone is aware of arrests of mongers that have taken place based on groundless charges. I discussed with another poster via PM the concern that should we EVEN pull over to talk with a SW whether we could be arrested. I think the answer is yes. I would like to know whether this has happened to anyone and, if so, how things unfolded. What was the arrest based on? How long were you held? What were the ramifications? Etc.

Thanks.

[Tonto Monger]

You and I are going to disagree on the police doing what is right. Too many young woman are being hauled in on baseless charges, only to be released after being confined for a week or more. Also, when one reviews where abuse takes place, statistically, police are high on the list. I am sure I am not alone in being told by providers that police have hit on them and get aggressive and / or violent if their advances are rejected.

But my original question was whether anyone is aware of arrests of mongers that have taken place based on groundless charges. I discussed with another poster via PM the concern that should we EVEN pull over to talk with a SW whether we could be arrested. I think the answer is yes. I would like to know whether this has happened to anyone and, if so, how things unfolded. What was the arrest based on? How long were you held? What were the ramifications? Etc.

Thanks.Several years ago I was cruising in the Covington area around the Kroger store. I saw a possible SW on a corner, and looped around for the scoop. Rolled my passenger window down, asked if she wanted a ride, she said yes and got in the car. Before I could take my foot off the brake, BAM! Two undercover LEO that were standing on the street run come running over, guns drawn and order me to get out of the car.

They put me in handcuffs, sat me on the curb and began questioning me and the girl. Now, this girl was definitely not an undercover LEO herself, but I will never know if she was part of a setup. The cops started saying I was trolling for prostitutes in a known area of prostitution. Being from out of town worked in my favor, as I replied "Known by whom? Certainly not me" and I denied everything.

For about the next 45-60 minutes I sat on that curb while they ran my license and plates, searched my vehicle and continued to try to get me to admit that I was engaging in prostitution. At one point they brought in a Supervisor and I remember the cops telling him that I picked up this hooker, pointing to the girl. I yelled out,"Whoa, that's not true. All I did was offer this women a ride, nothing more"

Eventually, they let me go with a big show of how lucky I was and to not be seen around those parts ever again, blah, blah, blah.

Moral of the story. In my experience, cops don't need much of an excuse to make your life miserable. You need to remain polite, be professional, and tell them ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Tonto

[LakersFan29]

Florence police did a sting last Tuesday. It was on backpage providers.A provider told me she got caught up in a sting last Saturday as well. Damn jealous LEO's! Ha ha. They're never going to completely stop someones addiction. Just because you crack down doesn't mean the people will stop. For example, just like drug dealing or drug addictions. Do you seeing anyone completely stopping? If they do, for how long before they start back up? They'll just do things more carefully or try to at least.

[Zomby]

You and I are going to disagree on the police doing what is right. Too many young woman are being hauled in on baseless charges, only to be released after being confined for a week or more. Also, when one reviews where abuse takes place, statistically, police are high on the list. I am sure I am not alone in being told by providers that police have hit on them and get aggressive and / or violent if their advances are rejected.

But my original question was whether anyone is aware of arrests of mongers that have taken place based on groundless charges. I discussed with another poster via PM the concern that should we EVEN pull over to talk with a SW whether we could be arrested. I think the answer is yes. I would like to know whether this has happened to anyone and, if so, how things unfolded. What was the arrest based on? How long were you held? What were the ramifications? Etc.

Thanks.While there is no excuse for police officers to violate your rights, consider that if the fucking asswipe lawmakers hadn't enacted those laws in the first place, there wouldn't be as much of a problem. Please direct your ire to the cause of the problem, not the symptoms.

[3-Minute Passion]

Several years ago I was cruising in the Covington area around the Kroger store. I saw a possible SW on a corner, and looped around for the scoop. Rolled my passenger window down, asked if she wanted a ride, she said yes and got in the car. Before I could take my foot off the brake, BAM! Two undercover LEO that were standing on the street run come running over, guns drawn and order me to get out of the car.

They put me in handcuffs, sat me on the curb and began questioning me and the girl. Now, this girl was definitely not an undercover LEO herself, but I will never know if she was part of a setup. The cops started saying I was trolling for prostitutes in a known area of prostitution. Being from out of town worked in my favor, as I replied "Known by whom? Certainly not me" and I denied everything.

For about the next 45-60 minutes I sat on that curb while they ran my license and plates, searched my vehicle and continued to try to get me to admit that I was engaging in prostitution. At one point they brought in a Supervisor and I remember the cops telling him that I picked up this hooker, pointing to the girl. I yelled out,"Whoa, that's not true. All I did was offer this women a ride, nothing more"

Eventually, they let me go with a big show of how lucky I was and to not be seen around those parts ever again, blah, blah, blah.

Moral of the story. In my experience, cops don't need much of an excuse to make your life miserable. You need to remain polite, be professional, and tell them ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

TontoYou had OH plates?

The other question that comes to mind, based on what happened here, is there any advantage to making initial contact on foot? Just kind of walking the area, sizing it up. This way they can't impound your car at least. And you would think you would be less conspicuous. Has anyone done this?

[FallenAngel]

http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/analyses130/h0130-i-130.pdf

Just a little heads-up on a bill that could become a cause of concern for hobbyists.

Of primary concern is the removal of the requirement that, if by some small chance you solicit someone under the age of 18, the state proves you knew and disregarded the age before you solicited. So if someone lies about her age, there is the potential for serious time as a result of this bill.

The bill analysis is rather long so I won't cut and paste here.

[Countryboy72]

I have parked and walked, gives you closer view of what she really looks like, I am not looking while I ram into a stopped car or losing wheel control. Also can get a vibe of the girl. You can chat her up or give a meet spot. If stopped hey you were lost or the chick asked you for a CIG or CIG $. Watch your six always.

QUOTE=Gitanacv; 1772678]You had OH plates?

The other question that comes to mind, based on what happened here, is there any advantage to making initial contact on foot? Just kind of walking the area, sizing it up. This way they can't impound your car at least. And you would think you would be less conspicuous. Has anyone done this?[/QUOTE]

[3-Minute Passion]

http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/analyses130/h0130-i-130.pdf

Just a little heads-up on a bill that could become a cause of concern for hobbyists.

Of primary concern is the removal of the requirement that, if by some small chance you solicit someone under the age of 18, the state proves you knew and disregarded the age before you solicited. So if someone lies about her age, there is the potential for serious time as a result of this bill.

The bill analysis is rather long so I won't cut and paste here.This bill is intended to seriously discourage hobbyist activities, no doubt. Have a gander. Sentences are considerably lengthened. It will be mandatory for spouses to be contacted. Not knowing the age of the minor is your responsibility. They are even going to make it illegal for anyone to advertise "massage services" unless they are legally certified by the state. This is not good. The intent may be good but the results will be moving closer to a police state. Prostitution ought to be legalized along with drugs and they should tax it and everyone, except the bible thumpers, would be happy.

[Hillbilly Bob]

You misunderstood. I am all for safety and verification. When I say, "jump through hoops", I am talking about excessive requests. "Send me a dick pic" crosses that boundary between safety and overkill. And what does that prove? Cops can Google, "penis" and send any one of the pics that will pop up. And newsflash, cops have penises too.

"Go to the gas station at the corner and wait for further instructions. ", excessive. "Give me the phone number of your boss so I verify employment", excessive.

"Give me the name of a provider who can vouch for you", reasonable.

"What is your board handle, and can you send me a PM from there so I can check out your history and verify that it's really you. ", reasonable.

Do you see the difference? If provider verification or USSG history isn't enough for you, then I will just find someone for whom it is enough. Just as I am not the only customer, you are not the only provider.Very well said.D. Nut.. I think most of us feel this way. Seniors can be checked out easily without a dick picture.

Best quote! Just as I am not the only customer, you are not the only provider.

[DickHerDown2]

I'm responding as to educate not to argue.

If a provider does not screen her calls. Or as you say jump thru hoops. There is a large percentage that she doesn't give a Crap about her own safety Much less yours. I wouldn't go forward if I was you, easy isn't always good. A good quality is safety, and I will tell you this LEO can and will use messages in a provider's phone to. Prosecute those in the hobby. If just anybody can get to a provider easily then so can LEO. Just think about. Is it really a hoop or a safety net.

Have a good day gentlemen.I saw you get busted on a episode of Police Women Of Cincinnati. Good to see you smartened up a little since then.

But on the topic I don't see a problem with sending adick picture to a provider once she sent some type of exclusive nude pictures that verify her. Honestly imo the pictures are safer then the references. Bc.

For example if the provider is indeed the LEO then giving them references is light weight confessing and putting those others in the radar of a bust.

Just my two cent.

[First Half]

A quick search online doesn't point to anything that makes this appear true. Can we get a lawyer to weigh in? I know some of you dirty mongers are members of the bar.


In the state of Ohio the police are not allowed to send genitalia photos and ladies take note. I as a provider have encountered stings head on and have sought out advice from lawyers and I'm telling you thou that is a sure fire way to weed out LEO. References mean nothing to me. I've been set up by clients who rolled on me. The system is not as secure as you might feel. You could send a pic of someone else's Dick. I wouldn't care because I know for a fact LEO is restricted. I've bumped my head a lot in this hobby by not listening. I just wish you ladies and gentlemen would take heed and not have to go through the same stuff.

[TheGardener1]

I'm just trying to be as safe as possible providers go thru a lot in this hobby.If what Marley is saying is correct, it doesn't get any easier. Go to google, type in "dick", and select the image you want to send. DONE.

I would just worry about some unknown or twistable law would make that a crime.

[AngryJohnny]

"In the state of Ohio the police are not allowed to send genitalia photos and ladies take note. I as a provider have encountered stings head on and have sought out advice from lawyers and I'm telling you thou that is a sure fire way to weed out LEO. References mean nothing to me. I've been set up by clients who rolled on me. The system is not as secure as you might feel. You could send a pic of someone else's Dick. I wouldn't care because I know for a fact LEO is restricted. I've bumped my head a lot in this hobby by not listening. I just wish you ladies and gentlemen would take heed and not have to go through the same stuff. ".

Marley, I'm not sure what kind of lawyers have given you this info, but it is incorrect. The Ohio Revised Code (O. Are. See.) does NOT prohibit officers from doing anything of the such. In fact, there is NO restrictions for officers on how far they can take their operation with a working girl (e. G. Touching, oral, or even intercourse). I have years of law experience with cases such as these. Don't believe me? Read the O. Are. See. And show me I'm wrong. You'll be reading a long time to find nothing. And believe me, the O. Are. See. Is a boring, yet educational read. There have been cited cases where the officers have performed sexual acts with the girl, then arrested her for prostitution. See cases in Arkansas from last year and a case from Georgia 3 years ago. The problem arises with the tax payers and having to explain their actions as a law enforcement officer in court. Not many police departments want to explain to the tax payers why they did what they did. Departments MAY have policies against sending pics, touching, performing acts, or even being the actual john in a sting, BUT there is NO law that prohibits any of these.

AJ.

[D Nut]

If what Marley is saying is correct, it doesn't get any easier. Go to google, type in "dick", and select the image you want to send. DONE.

I would just worry about some unknown or twistable law would make that a crime.Cops can do anything as long as the suggestion to do something illegal doesn't comes from them.

Sending a dick pic by itself does not entice an illegal activity therefore is permisseable under law. A dick pic with a note that says, "suck this" is still legal. A dick pic with a note that says, "Suck this for $100" crossed the line because it enticed an illegal act.

[Admin2]

I resurrected this thread for this discussion.

A2.

[MisforMaster]

A quick search online doesn't point to anything that makes this appear true. Can we get a lawyer to weigh in? I know some of you dirty mongers are members of the bar.Her statement is patently false.

Does anyone remember the little strip club in Troy Ohio that got busted in 2005?

Do you remember *how* it got busted?

If your answer is, "The State impersonated a woman by making a counterfeit driver's license and identity for a cop based on a real person's information," you are absolutely correct. Cops can lie during the course of their investigation. Cops can lie while writing reports. Cops will send cock shots, they will have their buddies lie to people and use the shell companies that they already have open for employment verification, and -- push come to shove -- they will always make an arrest if you're their target.

[First Half]

Reading this right now I would immediately send Marley a dock shot, then go pinch her.


Her statement is patently false.

Does anyone remember the little strip club in Troy Ohio that got busted in 2005?

Do you remember *how* it got busted?

If your answer is, "The State impersonated a woman by making a counterfeit driver's license and identity for a cop based on a real person's information," you are absolutely correct. Cops can lie during the course of their investigation. Cops can lie while writing reports. Cops will send cock shots, they will have their buddies lie to people and use the shell companies that they already have open for employment verification, and -- push come to shove -- they will always make an arrest if you're their target.

[MisforMaster]

Reading this right now I would immediately send Marley a dock shot, then go pinch her.I'm not going to send her a flagpole pic, but, I did message her and invite her out for coffee to straighten her reality out between fact and fiction. She has yet to respond.

MM.

[CincyDude1]

I just read a few posts about the ole let's trade pics theory. First of all trading pics does nothing. It's as weak as these ignorant girls posting ridiculous stuff in their ads like no LEO. Are you serious. Then it burns my ass to see guys ask girls hi are you a member of LEO? Oh they have to tell you Ha! Gtfoh! One things for sure. LEO does whatever whenever and will testify and just leave out a few things. Don't believe all that manuer cmon. Oh he didn't read me my rights ha! To many sheethouse lawyers.

[CincyDude1]

Obviously she could be under many names but she was from the Colerain area.

Any input greatly appreciated.

[CinciDan]

Got a massage yesterday out of town and got pulled over a little after I got out onto the Main Street. He asked what I was doing in the area and I said I was on business and was just leaving. He ran my license and then asked why didn't you say anything about the massage parlor. I said I just got a massage and you followed me from there so you know I just left. I also showed him a receipt for the dinner I had gotten beforehand. He then said I had used the wrong lane to turn when I pulled out onto the road and that's why he pulled me over and not to do that again and left. Should I be worried since they ran my information if something should happen to that place? Just a little worried.

[DrBnode 73]

Got a massage yesterday out of town and got pulled over a little after I got out onto the Main Street. He asked what I was doing in the area and I said I was on business and was just leaving. He ran my license and then asked why didn't you say anything about the massage parlor. I said I just got a massage and you followed me from there so you know I just left. I also showed him a receipt for the dinner I had gotten beforehand. He then said I had used the wrong lane to turn when I pulled out onto the road and that's why he pulled me over and not to do that again and left. Should I be worried since they ran my information if something should happen to that place? Just a little worried.My advice would have been to politely refuse to answer questions. In Ohio you are required, if asked by an officer when pulled over, to provide your driver's license, registration, and insurance proof. The only info they are entitled to is your name, DOB, and address. After that information has been given, you can say something like, "I respectfully refuse to answer questions. " Stay calm and stick to it. There was no reason for you to possibly implicate yourself by stating any business whatsoever that you had in town, whether true or not. You can and should ask the officer why he or she pulled you over.

Do not consent to any search. If the officer suspects you may be armed and demands to pat you down, you do have to comply with this request. However, make it clear that you do not consent to a search. Exit the car and lock it, and state clearly that you do not consent to a search of your person. If the officer asks to search the car, refuse consent. They cannot search you, your phone (s), or your car without a warrant.

If you use a burner phone keep it out of sight during a police stop. It should be in a compartment separate from where your registration / insurance papers are, or in a briefcase or something like that. I always put mine away after I've left a provider.

I doubt that you are in any kind of trouble, but you did admit to getting a massage. If you refused to answer questions, that bit of information would have been left out of the picture. Who knows, maybe you just sat in the waiting room for 30 minutes and then left without any kind of service? You see, even something as small and seemingly innocuous as sharing that you got a massage could be used against you, especially if the place gets busted. However, I don't think you'll be bothered again.

Next time this happens, and hopefully it won't, exercise those rights to which you are entitled. They were hard fought for by great citizens who came before us.

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Obviously she could be under many names but she was from the Colerain area.

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