View Full Version : "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?
A couple of commercial sites specialize in hookups with girls who aren't supposed to be pros but definitely want something more than a kiss on the cheek at the end of the evening. The sites themselves offer "free trials" but once you sign up you get a couple emails per day, supposedly from girls who want to meet you. You can't actually contact them unless you become a paying member though. So are these sites worth it? Are they really a place where you can meet so-called amateurs who don't advertise elsewhere? The question is complicated by the fact that there appears to be a range of girls on the sites, from strippers to students. I have posted in other threads about my experiences with the one site I belong to. In the case of the other site, which emphasizes "arrangements," I'm not a paying member but I have a "free trial." It lists 2, 700 girls in Virginia. In Richmond, here's what one girl says about herself:
Hi my name is Angel and I am an exotic dancer. I've danced in Las Vegas and on the East Coast. Originally from Va. Beach, Virginia, my first love is the ocean, and living a healthy, happy lifestyle is so important to me. I love shopping, getting my hair done, massages, manicures, pedicures, and tanning. I am available for generous gentlemen who want to go out once or twice a week to dinner, movies, or events. I like strip clubs, visual fun for both of us. And I would like to get a new car this year.
My Appearance: 36c-24-34, long blonde hair, green eyes. 5'5, tan, athletic. 125 lbs. Look forward to meeting someone sweet and nice. Lots of love, Angel. Xxooxxx
Angel says she is 26 and doesn't indicate what kind of arrangement she is seeking, other than she wants a car. Do you think she might accept donations to a "car fund"? Probably negotiable is my take on it.
Another girl has a nude pic with her nipples whited out (?) , wants to go out and have fun, and says she is a 19 (or 20) year old receptionist seeking $3k. $5k per month (!)
"Just need help paying for tuition and some living expenses"
Then there is a 19-year old, somewhat awkward looking in her (fully clothed) pix, who says:
"Hey! I'm an artist living in richmond. I love going to the movies, hanging out with my girlfriends, meeting new people, comedy, going out, staying in, just about everything. I'm super laid back and I always have a good time. I get along with just about everybody and love to laugh and be merry. Let me know if you are interested in meeting me!
I gave this a shot earlier this year but ended up dating someone. Needless to say; I'm single again and ready to give it another go.
Nothing special about my situation. Just a young woman frustrated with "dating" men my age. I enjoy the company, conversation, and other benefits of an older gentleman."
For what it is worth, my initial estimate is that here we have 1. A moonlighting stripper; 2. An escort or a want to be escort; and 3. A girl who is clueless but willing to hang out with older men who she knows will expect sex from her.
Now to each his own, but for me, if I were going to pursue one of these girls, it would be number 3, the 19-year old "artist." It's the awkwardness and self-consciousness she displays in her post that I like, and her photo shows a reasonably pretty girl. She'd be a little nervous and we would beat around the Bush for a while, but I think she is the one with the most potential for a mind-blowing fuck. But that's just me.
So back to the question, are these sites worth it? The answer appears to me to be: not if you are looking for or prefer pros. Pros are going to advertise elsewhere. Strippers you can go fondle. Well, not in Richmond. And take for a test drive before you ask her for takeout. But an awkward, fully clothed. 19 year old artist coming off a relationship who wants to meet older men who are looking for a mistress? I don't know any other reliable way of finding such girls. Maybe if you hang out at the laundromat long enough.
Here's a question I got on another thread about the so-called amateurs on the other websites.
I'm a little confused by a few things here. First off are you really "averaging" 16 bucks a provider because the 250-300 Christmas presents seem to say otherwise. Also, I'm wondering why your bothering to share these experiences at all on this site: over the last few years there have been some people who use the site, but this site is for sharing PERTINENT information. I mean if these are girls that can only be gotten through SD then maybe you should review them there for other people who may have the opportunity to partake. And honestly the way you describe them makes them sound like prostitutes not just the way everyone else labels them.The $16 was an average cost of finding a girl, not the cost of the girl. The girls I've seen haven't asked for anything specific. I could have walked away from them without giving them anything. On the one hand, for me, this makes it more interesting. Are they prostitutes? There's two parts to that. Morally I know some or all consider these girls "just the same as prostitutes." Morally, maybe they are. As are some wives. But legally is this prostitution? I don't see how. Maybe somebody else who understands the kind of sex LE is interested in can explain it. Personally, it seems to me these "so-called amateurs" are not like the girls on the escort sites or BP because they aren't advertising themselves as escorts, let alone prostitutes. So I would say: morally, maybe. Legally, no.
As to why post if I'm not going to give out contact info. First, I'm not a pimp or an escort referral service. Second, I've learned a lot by reading usasg over the years. There are a lot of subjects of interest on the topic of sex with women. One of them is how to find new girls to fuck who don't consider themselves pros. This is what I'm talking about. There's a million methods to find new girls to fuck. This one has a good probability of success.
CantWinLosin
12-26-10, 22:22
A couple of commercial sites specialize in hookups with girls who aren't supposed to be pros but definitely want something more than a kiss on the cheek at the end of the evening. The sites themselves offer "free trials" but once you sign up you get a couple emails per day, supposedly from girls who want to meet you. You can't actually contact them unless you become a paying member though. So are these sites worth it? Are they really a place where you can meet so-called amateurs who don't advertise elsewhere? The question is complicated by the fact that there appears to be a range of girls on the sites, from strippers to students. I have posted in other threads about my experiences with the one site I belong to. In the case of the other site, which emphasizes "arrangements," I'm not a paying member but I have a "free trial." It lists 2, 700 girls in Virginia. In Richmond, here's what one girl says about herself:
Hi my name is Angel and I am an exotic dancer. I've danced in Las Vegas and on the East Coast. Originally from Va. Beach, Virginia, my first love is the ocean, and living a healthy, happy lifestyle is so important to me. I love shopping, getting my hair done, massages, manicures, pedicures, and tanning. I am available for generous gentlemen who want to go out once or twice a week to dinner, movies, or events. I like strip clubs, visual fun for both of us. And I would like to get a new car this year.
My Appearance: 36c-24-34, long blonde hair, green eyes. 5'5, tan, athletic. 125 lbs. Look forward to meeting someone sweet and nice. Lots of love, Angel. Xxooxxx
Angel says she is 26 and doesn't indicate what kind of arrangement she is seeking, other than she wants a car. Do you think she might accept donations to a "car fund"? Probably negotiable is my take on it.
Another girl has a nude pic with her nipples whited out (?) , wants to go out and have fun, and says she is a 19 (or 20) year old receptionist seeking $3k. $5k per month (!)
"Just need help paying for tuition and some living expenses"
Then there is a 19-year old, somewhat awkward looking in her (fully clothed) pix, who says:
"Hey! I'm an artist living in richmond. I love going to the movies, hanging out with my girlfriends, meeting new people, comedy, going out, staying in, just about everything. I'm super laid back and I always have a good time. I get along with just about everybody and love to laugh and be merry. Let me know if you are interested in meeting me!
I gave this a shot earlier this year but ended up dating someone. Needless to say; I'm single again and ready to give it another go.
Nothing special about my situation. Just a young woman frustrated with "dating" men my age. I enjoy the company, conversation, and other benefits of an older gentleman."
For what it is worth, my initial estimate is that here we have 1. A moonlighting stripper; 2. An escort or a want to be escort; and 3. A girl who is clueless but willing to hang out with older men who she knows will expect sex from her.
Now to each his own, but for me, if I were going to pursue one of these girls, it would be number 3, the 19-year old "artist." It's the awkwardness and self-consciousness she displays in her post that I like, and her photo shows a reasonably pretty girl. She'd be a little nervous and we would beat around the Bush for a while, but I think she is the one with the most potential for a mind-blowing fuck. But that's just me.
So back to the question, are these sites worth it? The answer appears to me to be: not if you are looking for or prefer pros. Pros are going to advertise elsewhere. Strippers you can go fondle. Well, not in Richmond. And take for a test drive before you ask her for takeout. But an awkward, fully clothed. 19 year old artist coming off a relationship who wants to meet older men who are looking for a mistress? I don't know any other reliable way of finding such girls. Maybe if you hang out at the laundromat long enough. "Angel" is closer to 40 than 26, has been known by many names, and was busted in a very highly publicized and very visible bust a few years ago as being the madam of an escort service along with her pimp be / f. She did hard time. Avoid her like the plague.
There are a lot of girls on these sites that have seen the news-magazine pieces on this sort of thing happening in NYC and LA, and have pretty unrealistic expectations for what they can make, hence the ads for average-looking-but-fancy-sounding girls that have learned marketing but think they're worth a whole lot more than they are. OTOH, there are rich SOBs out there that will pay that sort of money. For a primo porn-star-quality girl. None of those types from around here on the SB sites, although there are a few very-nice ladies and a couple of seriously-hot MILFs.
That said, there are some girls. And some MILFs. That are hurting in this economy, and are turning to this as a way to make ends meet. Some are trying the SB thing first because it offends their sensibilities less than turning multiple tricks per day. Until they learn that the SB scenario is not (usually) a steady income, at which point they either give up or become your traditional escort.
As for legalities, if it's an exchange of sex for anything of value, it's prostitution. Proving that it's that and not just your typical date that includes sex is the tough part, especially if the exchange is not in cash or is unassociated with the meeting. This is one reason the ladies like the arrangement of a single monthly stipend that's exchanged outside the normal contact of the relationship. But you also have to remember that, in most jurisdictions, prostitution is a misdemeanor, which means two things: first, the cops must either witness the illegal act or you or your friend admit to the crime, and that's very unlikely in these scenarios; and second, the cops' first interest is always the visible-to-the-public activity. Get the walkers off the street and the obvious hookers out of the motels. There are relatively few SBs, they're almost never public in what they do, and the effort (cost to the taxpayer) it takes to pursue and actually bust a SB for prostitution is way too high for what will be a misdemeanor conviction. The law is pretty specific as to what constitutes prostitution exactly so that taking a date out to dinner and then going back to your place for sex is not considered prostitution. SBs live on that difference.
I am on the SD site! There are a few local escorts on there trying to mask there real intent. There are also some real woman on there who want to be spoiled (their words)! I'm in contact with a few woman on there now. They are very eager to meet and get something going. I haven't decided which one I really want to see. When I do I'll let you know the outcome. Either way no matter what label they use it's all the same.
"Angel" is closer to 40 than 26, has been known by many names, and was busted in a very highly publicized and very visible bust a few years ago as being the madam of an escort service along with her pimp be / f. She did hard time. Avoid her like the plague.
There are a lot of girls on these sites that have seen the news-magazine pieces on this sort of thing happening in NYC and LA, and have pretty unrealistic expectations for what they can make, hence the ads for average-looking-but-fancy-sounding girls that have learned marketing but think they're worth a whole lot more than they are. OTOH, there are rich SOBs out there that will pay that sort of money. For a primo porn-star-quality girl. None of those types from around here on the SB sites, although there are a few very-nice ladies and a couple of seriously-hot MILFs.
That said, there are some girls. And some MILFs. That are hurting in this economy, and are turning to this as a way to make ends meet. Some are trying the SB thing first because it offends their sensibilities less than turning multiple tricks per day. Until they learn that the SB scenario is not (usually) a steady income, at which point they either give up or become your traditional escort.
As for legalities, if it's an exchange of sex for anything of value, it's prostitution. Proving that it's that and not just your typical date that includes sex is the tough part, especially if the exchange is not in cash or is unassociated with the meeting. This is one reason the ladies like the arrangement of a single monthly stipend that's exchanged outside the normal contact of the relationship. But you also have to remember that, in most jurisdictions, prostitution is a misdemeanor, which means two things: first, the cops must either witness the illegal act or you or your friend admit to the crime, and that's very unlikely in these scenarios; and second, the cops' first interest is always the visible-to-the-public activity. Get the walkers off the street and the obvious hookers out of the motels. There are relatively few SBs, they're almost never public in what they do, and the effort (cost to the taxpayer) it takes to pursue and actually bust a SB for prostitution is way too high for what will be a misdemeanor conviction. The law is pretty specific as to what constitutes prostitution exactly so that taking a date out to dinner and then going back to your place for sex is not considered prostitution. SBs live on that difference.
I mentioned I have been zeroing in on a third girl from "that site." The other two were easy, pussy pix of one, which you have seen and the squirter. Number 3 is turning out to be harder. Very hot in the texting,"oh! My pussy is so wet for you," that kind of thing, but now I am trying to get close enough to actually fuck her she is dancing around,"oh! Maybe I can't do it, not now, we'll do it later," etc. Etc. Frustrating? Yes. But fun. I love the chase almost as much as catching a girl. (I realize many guys don't, no disrespect intended to anyone else's preferences). So I don't think I will get to fuck number 3 this weekend after all but I may make some progress. I do plan to return to Tabby and see if I can get her to squirt again. Not in jail, no.
When I originally spoke of these other sites I didn't know it would cause such an uproar. It's only my opinion when I speak of them. Funny tho. I brought 3 different girls to everyones attention from those sites because I share when I can. And it seems alot of guys enjoyed my find. They came from those sites. You that are curious can go back and check for the 3 I shared. How many have most of you brought in or shared? Maybe it doesn't work for some but they work for me. Thats all I will say to this.
Good Luck all.
Be safe
Personally I would never have tried the sites beyond the worthless free trials if it hadn't been for your posts OBX. I'm having a blast and I'm grateful to you. Yes, you are generous with leads too. I don't think you caused an uproar. I caused the uproar because I ignored the correct classification of the threads and some folks really, really care about classification. Plus this is an anonymous monger forum and mongers get grouchy without enough pussy. That equals uproar. So don't worry about it. Thanks again.
Pistol Peter
12-30-10, 12:06
Been on SD site and connected with a very agreeable and attractive BBW.a little too big for my liking. The problem there is presenting enough information including pictures to come to the attention of these ladies, who are looking at 100's of EMails. Literal, you must have the magic answer to get them to respond-and therefore open up the treasure chest.
Here is the problem I have with monthly stipends-lack of performance. Once you pay up front the excuses start rolling out.
I have had 2 such arrangements. Both are hot and wonderful performers, but after a short while the agreed on weekly visits became less frequent.always an excuse-and finally hooking up became like pulling teeth. We have wives who provide that service quite well, SBs / GFs are not supposed to.
Ergo, human nature being what it is, people will do as little as possible for a guaranteed salary. So my advice.and ongoing practice, is to link any stipend to performance-pay for play, which gets us back to the escort mentality.
This is an interesting topic. I also prefer Under The Radar UTR girls and avoid girls who are doing a high volume of business. I think in most cases the high volume girls get burned out and are not into their job, though there are exceptions and it would also depend on the guy. Many high volume girls have emotional problems stemming from either an unhappy childhood or bad life experiences.
My ideal UTR GF is a reasonably stable single woman who has a job outside the sex industry but is struggling to make ends meet and needs extra money. Usually they have a kid or two and the father has deserted them. Actually there are many such women. But where to find them?
I have not tried the online sites because from everything I've read (including a section called Dating Agencies on this forum in the Special Interests section) they are a complete waste of time and money. Too much spam, fakes, and undesirable women. Since I haven't tried the online sites I'd be curious to know if they work, but I think even if they did work the women there are not really UTR by definition.
I have not dated many UTR girls, partly because they are so rare and partly because I'm not that keen on it anyway. But here is what I've found both from experience and a bit of research. Sometimes they'll cruise stripclubs to pick up men. These could be high volume girls. In addition, some of the civilian girls who go to SCs are lesbian. A short conversation will establish what they are doing there. I would not date a stripper, though. Usually if a stripper accepts an arrangement they are either a high volume girl or they don't sleep around much but are very expensive. In a way I would not mind the expense of a stripper but they are in a sex industry job and, as I said above, this tends to burn them out. Another place to find the UTR girls is regular nightclubs. They are so rare that I cannot give any general advice on how to pick them out of the crowd. As I said, my success rate is pretty low. Actually only three girls in 10 years. But that's ok, I'm patient. I have a SO. I'm not desperate.
There is some risk to the UTR girls, both from my experience and from what I've heard and read. For one thing, they may cling to you and then get "dramatic", call your SO, put your business out in public, etc. That didn't happen to me yet. Also you may get attached to them if they are interesting and fun to be with, which can have an emotional toll. Then there's the risk (which is actually a good thing for the girl) that if they have a lot of good qualities they will eventually get scooped up by a high-qualilty single man, and your arrangement is finished. That happened to me earlier this year.
Been on SD site and connected with a very agreeable and attractive BBW. A little too big for my liking. The problem there is presenting enough information including pictures to come to the attention of these ladies, who are looking at 100's of EMails. Literal, you must have the magic answer to get them to respond-and therefore open up the treasure chest.
Here is the problem I have with monthly stipends-lack of performance. Once you pay up front the excuses start rolling out.
I have had 2 such arrangements. Both are hot and wonderful performers, but after a short while the agreed on weekly visits became less frequent. Always an excuse-and finally hooking up became like pulling teeth. We have wives who provide that service quite well, SBs / GFs are not supposed to.
Ergo, human nature being what it is, people will do as little as possible for a guaranteed salary. So my advice. And ongoing practice, is to link any stipend to performance-pay for play, which gets us back to the escort mentality. Yes, I'm not against using a little sugar to get my foot in the door, but after things start rolling along I wouldn't contnue if the relationship didn't become or remain a penetrating one.
I think maybe I was just lucky.
We shall see.
Here is how I approach it. First off I am what they need and not the other way around. You must keep that in mind. The most I have ever agreed to is 1k per month with visits of 2 or 3 times a week. Broke up on a 1st and 15th =500 each. Its fair to both and trust me all I am going to say is true. I ask for pic's and never give them one. I am married and that would not be discreet If I sent them. I will offer a description. I usually ask for pic's up front so I don't waste my time. If they say no fuck them. Move on. It helps to weed out the non-real ones. I keep it in this area. I only want ones who have a place by themselves that we can use. They must be attractive to me. I'm not just looking for a port. Its not storming in my life. 1k per month is alot for some people but it works for my budget. I never chat sex for $. I ususally talk about rent and such. I always make it know that there has to be chemistry. Both mental and physical. So I will ususally agree to something fair for first visit. If the girl is really in need she will agree to all I have said. If not move on. Trust me. More on there every week. I am seeing a 21 yr olod VCU student from that site now. She is off it now. Beautiful. Giving. A real pleaser. Hot as hell and can suck a ball thru a keyhole. All this is just my opinion and thoughts. Like them? Fine. If not f-you. LOL.
Good hunting + be safe
Here is how I approach it. First off I am what they need and not the other way around. You must keep that in mind. The most I have ever agreed to is 1k per month with visits of 2 or 3 times a week. Broke up on a 1st and 15th =500 each.I have signed up for the sight but only for free. I was not sure if it was worth paying. I'm curious as how you make the payments. Do you make a deposit to her bank account or is it a cash payment? Is she willing to accommodate her schedule to yours? I would love to find a situation I could make work once a week with NSA. I have to admit you're making me think about biting the bullet and signing up.
Coolhand2
Many thanks to OBX for sharing some of his technique. I am following along, trying to figure this so-called amateur scene out.
Coolhand, inmo this is a cash business. There are a hundred reasons why. None of them are to comply with tax regulations. On the "other site", the "arrangements" site (of which I am not a member) , it seems to me they try to get you to sign up in advance for some kind of monthly commitment. Maybe that will work better with some girls. You still should be able to figure out how to pay in cash though. Otherwise you leave a trail and I'm not talking about pecker tracks.
So I zeroed in on SB3, she of the emails saying how she wanted me to fuck her so bad etc. Summary: when I tried to meet her she said she was nervous and didn't quite have the time. So I'm kicking this one down the road for a while. I'll revisit later, still would like to taste that sweet pussy. I gave her some sugar in advance, maybe she'll just pocket it and drop me. We'll see.
Coolhand, inmo this is a cash business. There are a hundred reasons why. None of them are to comply with tax regulations. On the "other site", the "arrangements" site (of which I am not a member) , it seems to me they try to get you to sign up in advance for some kind of monthly commitment. Maybe that will work better with some girls. You still should be able to figure out how to pay in cash though. Otherwise you leave a trail and I'm not talking about pecker tracks.Your right about the cash only. My concern was about leaving a trail. What is the"arrangement" site you're refering to? I don't mind having an arrangement, if we can agree on an amount, but not in writing.
Your right about the cash only. My concern was about leaving a trail. What is the"arrangement" site you're refering to? I don't mind having an arrangement, if we can agree on an amount, but not in writing.Google seeking arrangements. Let us know what happens.
Google seeking arrangements. Let us know what happens.I did as you suggested. Too rich for my blood. I did pay the SB site. No responses yet to emails.
For what it is worth I've sent maybe 15-20 different girls emails and only have a "continuing relationship" with 3. Two of them were online at the same time and I sent emails asking if they wanted to meet. Both initiated chat during which we exchanged cell #'s and one I met and fucked the next day with no preliminaries and the other after a week during which I met her in public for a get acquainted session first. The third has been more difficult as we exchange emails frequently as I work to break out of the wolfpack of pussyhounds on her scent. We shifted to regular email instead of that on the site which helped. Pretty girls are bombarded on the site. Finally she met with me and she's hot hot hot but didn't have time to be alone. So I'll try again in a few weeks. I've given her some sugar but no more until penetration occurs. If it occurs. She is a ferocious cock teaser. Will try some others soon. Inmo you have to be direct enough in the initial contact so that she gets a little thrill but not so direct that she thinks you are weird.
Thudpucker
01-05-11, 17:51
I also prefer Under The Radar UTR girlsHi. Not from this neck of the woods but the thread came up the same day I paid my close to. 5$ for a month on the SA site. I've been doing UTR for a few years (in addition to the street. I tend to avoid the public pros. Rarely worth the admission price in my book) , mostly by posting on CL Casual Encounters. The filters on CL now catch most of the 'mutually beneficial arrangement' type posts, and the replies are now pretty much entirely spam (as opposed to the former 99. 9% spam). There is a broad range of UTR talent, from dumpy old pros to gals who've done professional modeling. I've had semi-regular things with some spectacularly beautiful women with dinner dates followed by 100% GFE and given them 200 a meeting for their time with which they were happy. Rare, but there. I've currently got an ongoing thing with a 22-year-old former member of her college swim team for 100 / visit, so there's some good things to be had out there.
I decided to try 1 month paid after I saw 4 of the girls I'd been with from CL responses on the SA site, which let me know that at least some of the girls there are real (including the swimmer). We'll see how it goes. Of course we're all looking for the 19-year-old model material who humps like a wild monkey all night then quietly leaves in the morning with $100 and is happy. She doesn't exist.
I never pay an allowance in advance. As noted, once she's got the cash in hand she's got what she wants and will go looking for another well to provide.
Thud, how do you handle the "how much can / will you spend per month" question in your profile on SA? Also, do you post photos of yourself? Finally, what is your opening line? (I've tried "loved your profile" and "want to have fun" and some others all equally lame. It's amazing I ever get laid. Just trying to learn before they haul me off to the cemetary.)
Thudpucker
01-12-11, 00:27
Thud, how do you handle the "how much can / will you spend per month" question in your profile on SA? Also, do you post photos of yourself? Finally, what is your opening line?Bottom line: it works. Requires substantial investment of time (and, of course, cash). Met 4, boned 2, new meets scheduled every night this week. All attractive, one spectacular 20 year old (met but not boned, but looks promising). Tiring. However, the membership only lasts a month, so have to make the most of it unless I decide to renew.
As soon as my profile went up I got a handful of requests, before I'd paid so I couldn't respond. There are roughly 2500 listings in my 50 mile default radius. I've now scanned through about 1000, responded to about 150, and have gotten replies from about 15, maybe half of which are prospects. No overt scams (yet) and no increase in SPAM in my associated e-mail.
To answer your questions, no I don't post my pic, but I send on request when someone has replied with a private e-mail address and I'm interested. I'm honest with my intentions: I'm not looking to 'keep' anyone (can't afford it) , just something weekly (well, I'm probably looking for at least two different weekly girls, but that's more than I can afford). I've only explicitly talked amounts with one girl, and the two I took home with me we didn't talk amounts, I just gave them an envelope with a 'gift' (200). One girl was very happy and txt'ed me saying 'thanks' and 'let's do it again'; the other one I haven't heard back from and haven't contacted again. That's my basic offer. 200 / date, which I call $1000 / month (on a 5 week month). I don't respond to girls asking more than 1. 3K; most are 'open for negotiation' which is what I put in my profile. I have about a 3 paragraph message that I send to the girls I respond to, giving a rough but accurate self-description, what I'm looking for (put nicely) , and what I'm offering (not explicit numbers, but that I'm offering a supplement, not full support).
I'd say worth it. However, I'm doing a kind of 'run'. Got an extra few thousand at year's end, and I'm having some fun with it. Maybe I'll end up with a semi-regular thing (although I tend toward variety). It is a way to meet some good looking girls and have a much better time than with a pro (at least in my experience). Both the girls I've brought home have been full date / GFE experiences. Dinner / drinks, followed by around 3 hours of fun for 200 plus the restaurant tab. I'm having fun (but getting tired) , and it's getting tough to schedule things. I'm about to have to back out of a date I've got scheduled for Thursday (body builder) for a better looking prospect (Russian).
I was unable to log in for a few days or I would have responded sooner. Thud, thank you for the useful post re how you do it using the so-called amateur sb sites. I hope you get laid every night this week, man. I'm headed back to my squirter sb today but this will be the third time so it's beginning to feel like a relationship which is not really what I want. I mean I do want it when I want it but most of the time I don't. I need to get back to work and sort thru the available talent and see if I can find another nice new hot wet "amateur" pussy.
I've gotten into a boring mess of personal details with sb4 and still haven't laid a hand or anything else on her. I'm working a bunch of new girls on the site.
I have to be discreet so it's hard to keep communications going back and forth quickly enough to build up a relationship to where getting together comes up naturally. I think I'm averaging about one response for every three attempts.
Thud and OBX, how you fellas doing out there?
As for me, I wasted a lot of time with the third girl I met on the site (sb3). She sent me pussy pix and everything and said she couldn't wait to fuck etc etc. I met her once briefly in a neutral location. I gave her a little sugar ($). She reconfirmed her interest but soon developed complex personal problems and disappeared. I know, I'm an idiot. I think in this case she was seriously considering fucking me though (she gave me her address and everything) but just changed her mind. So I'm finished with sb3.
As to sb2 (the squirter). I saw her several times but I began to grow less interested. It got harder for me to cum with her. Her squirting diminished too. Time passed. We exchanged affectionate notes but no more meetings. Then I got an email saying she needed more money to keep the relationship going. I said thank you and sayonara.
On to sb4, which was another waste of time. I spent days emailing chit chat and proposals and cross proposals to a hot Euro babe "on vacation with her family" in the US. She insisted on knowing all details in advance including the financial details, which I don't like to talk about except in general terms. She declined to state her own requirements. Finally I took an idea from Thud and talked about 1k a month to help out with expenses, blah blah. She responded that nobody on the site had ever made her such a small cheap offer. So screw her.
There were maybe 3-4 other sb's I talked to without any serious prospects developing, so as Thud says, this can be a lot of work. Also, like OBX, I want them to host because the whole hotel thing adds a layer of cost and logistics I'd rather avoid.
Pressing onward, I am now talking to two more sb's. A 27 year old who "just wants to have fun" and a 19 year old who needs a little assistance (I'm hoping).
Whew. Oh well, it's a great game. Personallly, I prefer it to cruising for SW's or dialing for pro's. Not that there's anything wrong with that. They are my back up. No offense intended towards anyone else who has different views.
Thudpucker
01-29-11, 15:26
Things continue apace, although I think I'm starting to wind down through the stack. It is a combination of pros, semi-pros, pros trying to act like non-pros, and the occasional real non-pro. Also wild fluctuations in what the girls want in the way of support, although most seem to have a pretty good idea of what the escort rate is and ask for something in that range. One big difference is that many of the girls, even the pro / semi-pros (e. G. Dancers) are using their real names and are not trying to hide who they are. This is helpful in doing background research (e. G. Discovering that one girl who was recently a dancer had a background as a competitive gymnast). We had a one-night stand, and she's requesting a return engagement, but she also wants 300 / date, which is over budget. I've had several meet-and-greets with girls who want in the 4. 500 range, and I decline (well, I'm planning a one-night stand with one 400 girl just because she's so spectacular I can't help myself. Probably end up disappointed, but I want to give it a try). Dinner meet with a 19-year-old yesterday and she's up for a return engagement with private time and was fine with my offer of 200 / date. Plan is to have an early dinner then retire to my place with a bottle of tequila (I'm fortunate to have a bachelor pad). The Russian wanted 300, so that was a no-go. Meeting with a 24-year-old artist tonight that I've had good e-mail with. There's a late 20's / early 30's perhaps semi-pro that I've been with a couple of times now at 200 / who's suggested that I come over some afternoon and she'll invite her friend the LMT over with her massage table for us to both get massages with some fun afterwards. That sounds promising. 3-way.
I've not had any rip-offs, although one girl tried to pay me, saying that 1000 / month. 200 / meeting was fine but that she had some immediate financial problems that required $900 to get beyond. I wished her all the best. Even a non-pro is likely to be less interested in coming to hang out and screw if she's already gotten and spent the money. Maybe if I actually run a long-term thing with someone I'd be willing to help them out in advance, but it's just human nature for that not to work out well. That's the only girl who wasted any of my time, because we exchanged many more e-mails than I usually would before a meeting (she was very attractive) before she told me about her 'immediate needs'.
I've also seen several ads from girls who want support but say they're not interested in getting involved with anything sexual. One of them was asking for $20K. $30K / month for 'conversation'. I've met some pretty good conversationalists in my day, but none of them were worth a quarter million a year. Sheesh.
I'm down to about a week-and-a-half on my membership left and I think I'll not renew but keep plowing the fields I've seeded this month. I've got a couple of 19-year-olds on tap who are young but fun, and couple of mid-20s who are pretty but expensive, and a couple of 30+ girls who are also pretty and very easy to get along with and not too expensive, but do show a little age. Don't know if I've found one I want to stick with yet. Probably end up seeing a couple of them for a while.
There hasn't been much interesting to report on the sb front in recent weeks. Lots of prospecting but no action. A string of broken dates: I got a room in Short Pump for one sb girl who didn't show and I quickly called a referral from a good old boy on this site but the girl who showed probably wasn't actually the one he referred plus was flabby in the extreme so I sent her away. That was a wasted evening, except for the ego-boost I got at a bar from a red haired 26 year old beauty who rejected several dudes half my age before accepting my offer of a drink. Probably thought I'd be harmless and good cover. Then there was the sb who agreed to a date but canceled because of her period. Then there were two 19 year olds who emailed me furiously for a week confirming and reconfirming our dates only to disappear just before they were to take place. Has anyone noticed teenagers can be unreliable? Then I worked a 22 year old Euro student / model and offered a monthly allowance for weekly meets. She said it was the lowest cheapest offer anyone ever made her on the site. OK, I said, how about the entire monthly allowance for one meet? This was acceptable and we set it up for tomorrow. Meanwhile, another sb emerged on a trip out of state, I'll call her SB4 or "Abby." She's a slim 25 year old, long haired brunette, flawless tight skin everywhere, perfect teeth, about 5"2," big breasted and small firm butt. A knockout, in other words. One of the top three prettiest girls I've ever dated. Very tight vagina. I licked and fingered her and she came in about three minutes, squirming to get away from me at the end as her clit got oversensitive. I love that. She cried out a little every time I thrust into her. It was just great. She tells me she gets so many emails on the sb site that she can't possibly read them all. I gave her 5x$. To me she was worth it, but that's just my opinion. I canceled tomorrow's date with the Euro.
I got an email this AM from a girl I'd been chasing without success on the SB site asking to meet right away. I was pressed for time but I set it up for 12 noon. She wanted to meet at a Walmart first to check me out. She arrived half an hour late then wanted to buy cigarettes. More time wasted. Then we walked to her house where the utilities had been cut off which is why she contacted me I guess. The place was a mess. She has to shower next door and has a baby to care for. She wanted to talk about a regular relationship. I said we'd have to see. She is real skinny and small breasted but took off her clothes and got on the bed. More talking about how long a relationship woud I commit for. I said I don't know yet. She said no sex on first meeting but she'd give me a BJ, which she commenced. I pulled her up after a while and tried to home in on her pussy, but she said it was too soon, no DATY either. I said WTF and started to leave. She said she was sure I would like her over time and she would loosen up, but if I wanted FS today it would be 8x$. I walked out but left her some sugar to help pay her bills. I don't care much for real skinny girls anyway.
Surprise surprise. I opened my email yesterday to a sweet email from SB5 (the one who didn't want FS right now but who attempted to placate Mr Johnson orally). Now she has thought it over, she says, I really am a wonderful guy and she will accept all my terms and conditions and wants to "make love" if I will just agree to see her again. So I guess this means she is ready to be fucked. Maybe next week.
SB6 showed up tonight. Nothing like her pic which was admittedly a little blurry. This girl is 38, spiky blond hair, and heavy. Not so much flabby though, just big butt, big thighs, big belly and big boobs. Also she is on crutches. Some knee problem. I was going to turn her away but she was an hour late and I had already turned away SB7 in a phone call and Mr Johnson wanted some pussy. So I let her stay. She turned out all the lights. OK, I can deal with that. I peeled off her clothes as her breathing got harder and faster by the minute. She turned out to be a great fuck. Why? Because she was totally passionate and into it. Still, I am a little weirded out: I don't fuck heavy girls. This is only about no 2 fat girl out of 65 or so total girls to date. She asked for nothing. In fact she thanked me. I gave her $$$ which delighted her. I won't see her again.
I am worried about SB4. I am going to a lot of inconvenience in order to fuck her again on Wednesday. She is so fine. So tight. So pretty. So firm everywhere. So passionate. (She's not perfect. She's a lousy housekeeper.) I am worried I will start behaving irrationally because of her and this may affect my stability. The only thing I can think to do is to try to fuck another few girls during the same time period. I find this tends to reduce the infatuation factor.
Thank you for the guidance and insights, USASG.
Thank you Heaven for Mr Johnson.
Thank you girls, for all your wonderful body parts.
I hope I die with my dick in a 25 year old girl.
Not right now though.
I decided to skip SB7 who called yesterday until she sends me a pic with her clothes off, which I asked for last night after I got home from SB6. Why? Because some of these SB girls are NOT TRUTHFUL when they post their pix online. I'm SHOCKED!
SB6 as I said was much heavier than her pix showed and her body type was not "average" as she claimed. But she had a certain firmness and was a heavy breather and smelled good so Mr Johnson took over the meet as I previously reported. I don't regret it. She was a good fuck.
The next SB girl was a different story. I ran into her out of state. She did not look anything like her pix online and she had lied about her weight online. She was a fatso. As soon as I saw her I realized Mr Johnson did not approve so I just had her spread her legs and took a few gyno shots for you guys (if these offend you don't look).
I think the sb website has three types of girls. 1. Real amateurs who want some money but would never think of themselves as escorts. 2. Girls who are escorts or part time escorts. 3. Girls too unattractive to be escorts. I don't partake of the SW scene so I don't know how they compare. I assume the SW's are also at the low end of the looks department, but I don't really know.
Anyway with SB8 I just fingered her for a while, never took off my pants. BTW, she was a little smelly in the pussy. You know how some of that aroma is nice? Well too much of it isn't. Even so, Johnson started to perk up as the girl rolled around and helped out with the fingering. I thought maybe he was going to take over again which would have been very depressing. Just then the doorbell rang. The girl said come back in a few minutes. We resumed pussy play. The doorbell rang again. It turned out there was a delivery team right outside the door trying to deliver a sofa. I went in the bathroom to wash my hands. No soap. WTF. I opened the door and said come on in guys I was just leaving. Funny I guess but kind of repulsive too. I have to get tougher on who I will see off that website.
Oh well. At least I should see SB4 again in a few days.
I think the sb website has three types of girls. 1. Real amateurs who want some money but would never think of themselves as escorts. 2. Girls who are escorts or part time escorts. 3. Girls too unattractive to be escorts. I don't partake of the SW scene so I don't know how they compare. I assume the SW's are also at the low end of the looks department, but I don't really know.I have been on SB site since mid-December last year. I have had one success which I have seen every couple of weeks since beginning of the year. I have been searching for something fresh but have not come up with anything. Question for you is; how old are the women you've been seeing and what is the age limit their looking for? Thanks in advance for your help.
Coolhand
CantWinLosin
02-23-11, 19:03
There are a few different SB sites out there. The two biggest seem to be SeekingArrangement and SugarDaddyForMe. The former has more women, but I've had better success on the latter. Which are you guys using?
For what it's worth, my best success used to be posting on the women-seeking-men section of Craigslist. But now that they're policing the posts much more thoroughly, it's become alot more difficult to make a post that gets across what you're really looking for without getting deleted, and posting on the casual-encounters section is a complete waste of time.
There are a few different SB sites out there. The two biggest seem to be SeekingArrangement and SugarDaddyForMe. The former has more women, but I've had better success on the latter. Which are you guys using? I'm using SugarDaddy.
I have been on SB site since mid-December last year. I have had one success which I have seen every couple of weeks since beginning of the year. I have been searching for something fresh but have not come up with anything. Question for you is; how old are the women you've been seeing and what is the age limit their looking for? Thanks in advance for your help.
CoolhandLet me think. I started with the site in November. I search for 18-45 and recently began restricting by body type. I have probably contacted 60 to 70 girls by this point and received replies from 20 or so. I've seen 7 and been stood up twice when the girl was a no show at the meeting place and at least twice more when the girl made a date but failed to make the last confirmation but I didn't have to go to the meeting place. Of the girls I've met, I've fucked 4, two of them more than once, and I've walked away from 2 (one too heavy though with a pretty cootch, see the previous pix, and another too restrictive, she's the one who now wants to meet again) and one wouldn't meet me alone after a get acquainted session.
I've got two now who say they want to meet and I need to figure out how and when. One should be a sure fuck if I want it since she's already had my dick in her mouth but I walked out when she got restrictive about access to her pussy. She's mid-twenties and a single mother. The other is an artsy student type in early thirties, she says.
Of the 4, two are mid-thirties and two are late twenties. Two of them are single mothers. Girls over 23 commonly misstate their ages on the site. So do I. I look younger than way past 60 which is what I am. A lot of girls say they are looking for 30 to 75 or 18 to 90, but many others state they are looking for guys no older than 45 or 50. Several girls agreed to see me even though my stated age didn't meet their stated age requirement. I don't bother with a girl who wants someone close to her own age, because they aren't looking for a sugardaddy or a customer, they're looking for a husband. Two girls who state they are 19 but looking for older men acted like teenagers by making dates with me and then failing to confirm at the last minute, so they probably are teenagers. Anyway that's what I think.
There are a few different SB sites out there. The two biggest seem to be SeekingArrangement and SugarDaddyForMe. The former has more women, but I've had better success on the latter. Which are you guys using?
For what it's worth, my best success used to be posting on the women-seeking-men section of Craigslist. But now that they're policing the posts much more thoroughly, it's become alot more difficult to make a post that gets across what you're really looking for without getting deleted, and posting on the casual-encounters section is a complete waste of time. Thanks for the info about your methods. I love usasg. I learn something new about how to search for pussy every day. The site I'm using is the second site you refer to.
It's possible to find near-perfection in an sb, sometimes for some of us anyway. I met SB4 for the second time yesterday. If anything it was even better than the first time. This woman is gorgeous inmo. Perfect figure, lovely face, lovely long thick dark hair, white teeth, plus she's smart as hell. A butt to die for. Pussy so clean you could eat all your meals off it. She's had a boob job which took her up to double D's. I'd prefer she had stayed natural and she didn't want to get that big but right now they are very pretty to look at. Like some body art and piercings that she has, she will regret these things with time, but for now they just make her look exotic and they are well done and I love them! She's very affectionate, calling me sweet names in our emails, very sexual and cums easily, but I can tell from her vagina wetness factor and failure to ask for my dick in her mouth that she is putting up with me rather than going nuts over me (like the squirter I talked about did). She's late twenties. She's had a couple of long term sugardaddy relationships with guys about my age in the past and I'm not sure how long I can hold on to her but I have limits in terms of what I will spend and how often. So far her allowance needs have been reasonable but I took some risk seeing her yesterday. I have to drive for hours to get to her. On the way back I had a goddam flat tire! I was out in the boonies at night with a rented car and curfew looming back at the prison. I am cursing and sweating and trying to change the friggin tire with a local beer drinking dude asking nosy questions and one eye on the time. It took me about 30 minutes, which was my cushion. I made it back to my cell with about two minutes to spare before the warden would have gotten suspicious. Whew.
One of the sb's was into unsafe sex before I could stop it. I checked out http://www.tstd.org/ And got anonymous std screening for about $$.5.
Let me think. I started with the site in November. I search for 18-45 and recently began restricting by body type. I have probably contacted 60 to 70 girls by this point and received replies from 20 or so. I've seen 7 and been stood up twice when the girl was a no show at the meeting place and at least twice more when the girl made a date but failed to make the last confirmation but I didn't have to go to the meeting place. Of the girls I've met, I've fucked 4, two of them more than once, and I've walked away from 2 (one too heavy though with a pretty cootch, see the previous pix, and another too restrictive, she's the one who now wants to meet again) and one wouldn't meet me alone after a get acquainted session.
I've got two now who say they want to meet and I need to figure out how and when. One should be a sure fuck if I want it since she's already had my dick in her mouth but I walked out when she got restrictive about access to her pussy. She's mid-twenties and a single mother. The other is an artsy student type in early thirties, she says.
Of the 4, two are mid-thirties and two are late twenties. Two of them are single mothers. Girls over 23 commonly misstate their ages on the site. So do I. I look younger than way past 60 which is what I am. A lot of girls say they are looking for 30 to 75 or 18 to 90, but many others state they are looking for guys no older than 45 or 50. Several girls agreed to see me even though my stated age didn't meet their stated age requirement. I don't bother with a girl who wants someone close to her own age, because they aren't looking for a sugardaddy or a customer, they're looking for a husband. Two girls who state they are 19 but looking for older men acted like teenagers by making dates with me and then failing to confirm at the last minute, so they probably are teenagers. Anyway that's what I think.I second the thanks for the info about your methods. Part of my problem is I choose not to use the city where I live but use Richmond since I get a pass from the warden to go there two to three times a month on business. This restricts the amount of time I can spend in pursuit so I'm looking for a home-run right off the bat. I'm debating if it would be a better use of time to focus on escorts with good reviews. The allure of SB was to hook up with amatures but they sure take a time investment. I'm going to give it another month or so. Keep us posted on how your search is going and I will do the same.
Coolhand
I decided to take SB5 at her word and accept her offer to come over and fuck her which I did yesterday. Skinny but nice and tight and good oral skills. Smokes like a fiend and her place stinks of smoke. I can tell she's going to be clingy so I must execute exit strategy.
Later I met up with SB9 an artist / student type who I've been emailing for nearly a month. Bad news is she was late to our meeting at a bar and I was out of time so I just paid for her drinks and left. Good news is she is gorgeous. She has told me that if we agree to an arrangement she can use her friend's apartment to host. I'm hoping this one works out because that would give me two really fine girls to fuck, SB4 being the other one.
It was an active week for me with four SB's opening their pussies for my inspection and pleasure.
I was trying to figure out how long it took from initial contact to penetration in each case. Two girls spread their legs within a day or two of our first contact, but those were the heavy ones. Of the other two, SB4 was a repeat. Although by far the best so far, my first contact with her a few weeks ago was followed quickly by penetration within a few days. On the other hand, SB5 didn't respond to my emails on the site for many days and when she did she wanted to meet right away but she spent the first session talking about her restrictions so I walked out. So from first contact to penetration in SB5's case took at least three weeks and two visits.
I agree that if you want a sure thing you are better off with well-reviewed escorts. For me the excitement of the chase enhances the sex, but that's just me.
I agree that if you want a sure thing you are better off with well-reviewed escorts. For me the excitement of the chase enhances the sex, but that's just me.I understand the chase enhancing the sex. That was the main reasons I started on the SB site. According to their stats, I've emailed a hundred, received messages from 85, (somewhere between a third to half of those are unsolicited messages from out of state) and hit my home run on the one meeting that was actually set. I've seen her twice. Early thirties, not bad looking housewife type who is totally into the sex. I leave her $$ and she has always been very grateful. I'll probably see her at least once more but I'm ready for something new. I have five who say they're ready to meet and one I'm set to meet a week from tomorrow. Since my visits to the city are limited, I reserve one visit a month for an escort visit because that gives me both variety and certainty. If this meeting next week works out I'm going to substitute her for the escort visit, drop the housewife, and focus on expanding my circle of SB's. To this point funds have not been an issue but there is a limit for these type of activities. Thanks again for the info. Keep the updates coming and stay safe.
Coolhand
Thanks for the data, Cool. Can I ask you is your housewife still married and living with the husband? Mine have all been divorced or single moms. Also, for the five that are ready to meet, have you discussed money yet? How do you handle it? Finally, are the meetings get acquainted meetings in public or are they meetings where you will be alone?
Just curious.
Thanks for the data, Cool. Can I ask you is your housewife still married and living with the husband? Mine have all been divorced or single moms. Also, for the five that are ready to meet, have you discussed money yet? How do you handle it? Finally, are the meetings get acquainted meetings in public or are they meetings where you will be alone? Just curious.She told me from the beginning that she is still married but that the husband was cool with everything. We set date, time, and amount of help over email outside of the SB site. Both meetings have been at her house; once in the evening and once in the afternoon. I know there is at least one child because she needs a couple of days notice to arrange work schedule and babysitting. Plus I see kids stuff around. There was no "get acquainted" meeting and she was dressed and ready for action when I got there. She has never mentioned money outside of the email which said what her expectations were. I put it in a visible but inconspicuous place before I leave. I do have to say one thing; I'm not sure there is a husband. I can't see a man's presence in the bedroom we use (although I don't get a lot of time to check it out) so it might be a cover story to make her feel safe.
Of the five that are ready to meet, time and place have not been set but I don't think there married. Two have said how much money their looking for and the others have not said anything about it. I do try to make sure they know that the SB site is not about the traditional relationship and that my expectation is for a discrete SB / SD experience.
I think you were absolutely right about the three types of women on that site. The housewife (CSB1) is in the first category of amateurs who needs financial assistance. I'm not sure yet which category the one (CSB2) I'm meeting next week falls into. I'll let you know the type of meeting it turns out to be when it's set. The two that have said the dollar amount (not yet worthy of designation) I think fall into the second category of semi-pro.
This whole SB thing takes a lot of work.
Coolhand
It does take work and I think its like growing something, you have to keep tending to it. But the work can be fun too, sometimes. Let me see, who do I have on deck now? I think it's four. One is sb4, I'm hoping for at least a three-peat of my two wonderful fucks with her before she realizes she can get somebody with a lot more money and a lot better looking than me. I have to be ready for this. Another is a 34-year old artist-student type SB9 just saw her briefly in a bar once (she was way late) but she is very hot. I have a private date set with her, she may even be able to borrow a friend's place so she clearly expects to open her pussy for me and it looks promising but a week is a long time and that's not coming up until end of next week. Third would be another so called artist SB10, age 39, just divorced and broke, very needy, who wants to meet privately with penetration but insists on a multiple date commitment first. I think I will pass. Finally, there's the skinny blond smoker SB5 who is pretty, sort of, but a complete mess. She emailed me after pussy entry to completion to say she wants to meet more often. I'm not going back to her unless I get really horny. Plus there are several extra sb's kicking around, the best SB11 says she is 21, and just got back to me after we misconnected on a date out of town last week. She's very hot in her pix, a student, and she says she wants to know when I'll be back. So I will stay in touch with her, but I'm learning the odds and I doubt there will be pussy entry anytime soon. So it doesn't look like there's any SB pussy for Lit2 this week, but next week looks promising.
Well CSB2 has ask me to make arrangements for a place where she can show me her "goodies" for our meeting on Monday. I'm viewing this as a request for a hotel room where I can sample the goodies. She also asked if she would be happy with her allowance. Not quite sure how to answer that since this is the first time the subject has come up. I sure want to keep her hopes up to increase her level of commitment and enthusiasm. One thing for sure; no goodies, no "allowance". Does viewing the money exchange as an allowance help them keep their amateur status? Wish me luck.
CantWinLosin
03-05-11, 01:07
I know the ladies like that "allowance" thing, but in my experience it is nothing but an invitation to get ripped off. Once they have the money in advance, they find all sorts of excuses why they can't keep their scheduled meetings. Both of my last two SBs - one 29, one 27 - did this.
Now, I tell them right at the beginning: no up-front allowance, and I tell them why (plus my work / life schedule can be difficult, so when I make time with my SB, if she backs out it's a major inconvenience.) Me buying them something or paying a bill after the fact keeps them interested and willing to keep scheduled meetings. I've had a couple say no thanks, and that tells me that they might well have done the same thing. But most are agreeable.
I know the ladies like that "allowance" thing, but in my experience it is nothing but an invitation to get ripped off. Once they have the money in advance, they find all sorts of excuses why they can't keep their scheduled meetings. Both of my last two SBs. One 29, one 27. Did this.
Now, I tell them right at the beginning: no up-front allowance, and I tell them why (plus my work / life schedule can be difficult, so when I make time with my SB, if she backs out it's a major inconvenience.) Me buying them something or paying a bill after the fact keeps them interested and willing to keep scheduled meetings. I've had a couple say no thanks, and that tells me that they might well have done the same thing. But most are agreeable. I consider the term allowance a euphemism to disguise the financial arrangement for what it is: pay to play. Key word there is play. Unlike an escort where upfront payment is expected I would not be so inclined in the SB / SD relationship. As I said with my one success (CSB1) I leave the amount as I leave. I intend to follow the same practice on Monday. Worst case is I've wasted one of my passes from the Warden (which would piss me off) but no financial lost. I haven't heard from CSB2 since my ambiguous response to her inquiry about would she be happy with her allowance. We'll see what happens. I've got CSB1 on standby just in case.
Coolhand
I think they use allowance because it seems different from what prostitutes or escorts get. The seeking arrangements site (to which I don't belong) has a question for the sugardad's profile: "How much allowance can you pay?" or something like that. Their idea I think is that the relationship is not a one time meeting in which sex is exchanged for cash. I try to avoid discussing cash in advance but reassure the girl that I think she'll be happy. I had one experience (SB3 I think) who strung me along for weeks and to whom I gave several small sums of money as gifts. But she would never be alone with me. A couple of times, I've given a girl some sugar and then walked out without completion for various reasons. But now I always wait until I'm alone with the girl before I give her anything. Well, maybe I'll buy her a drink. And I wait until the end of our date. Good luck guys.
I think the arrangements site asks "How much allowance are you willing to pay per month?" or something like that, which makes the relationship sound more long term. One of the earlier comments here (Thud maybe) said he tells them $1k per month based on multiple visits.
In my case I don't usually have any amount agreed to but I do hope that if we like each other it won't just be a one time thing. I try to leave them happy both by a gift and sexually so I don't have a problem telling them in advance I don't want to talk specifics but I expect they will be happy. I've cut off several possibilities after progressing to the date setting discussion because the girl became too demanding. I want the initial meet to be highly anticipated and exciting for both of us. When distrust creeps in at this early stage of a relationship it can turn everything sour.
As we've said I don't think chasing sb's or amateurs is for everybody. When you want a sure thing you sometimes really have to get it or you will feel ill and unable to think of anything else. But for me, chasing sb's is a lot like hunting or fishing. Sure you can go into the grocery store and buy whatever you want to eat off the shelf. But it just doesn't taste as good as something you've stalked for hours and landed all by yourself.
There are always more females out there if one doesn't come through.
I hope Cool lets us know what happens Monday, one way or the other.
I hope Cool lets us know what happens Monday, one way or the other.For sure. Still havn't heard from CSB2 since my answer on the allowance.
Had my meeting today with CSB2. First of all she wanted me to arrange a meeting place but I told her since she knew the town better that I would leave that up to her. I wanted to see where she would pick since I thought it would give me some indication on where her head was. I called her when my business was finished and she texted me an address as to where to meet her. It was only when I got there that I found out it was a motel with a bar. I thought this was good sign. Met her in the bar and had a drink. She was in her early thirties, kind of cute with a decent rack. She seem determined to have the "first date" kind of conversation that I really wasn't into. Not having tons of time (the warden keeps a good eye on the clock) I pressed to move things along. The "allowance" issue did not come up at all. As it turned out she had already got a room (an even better sign) so we proceeded on up. Didn't take long to get her out of her clothes and as it turned out her body was nicer then CSB1. We then spent a nice couple of hours between the sheets. She was attentive, passionate and very willing. She got wet easily and came several times with out to much effort. (At my age that's important) Here's the thing; even with all her effort and willingness, she did not have the skills of my CSB1 housewife! CSB1 really knows what to do with a dick in her mouth and provides a trip to the islands. Just because of what she did with the hotel room I'm placing her between the amateur and the semi-pro category. I put the allowance in her purse as I was leaving so I don't know her reaction yet. I'm currently in communication with two more potentials, both single moms. Another home run makes it a good day.
Sounds like a good time, Cool. Congratulations. I've never had a non-pro get a hotel room. Very unusual, especially for a first date. Who paid for the room and if she did, did you increase the amount of her gift? Just curious.
I find different girls have different sexual skills too. Sometimes oral skills are lacking in the hottest girls. Maybe they just feel they don't have to work so hard because they're cute. On the other hand, some girls just seem obsessed with getting their mouth on your dick. It would be great to find some way to predict this, just like it would be great to be able to predict what a girl's pussy looks like from her external appearance. What I like is a pussy that starts out neat and tidy and then gets messed up as you go along.
Are you planning to loop back and do csb1 again? Or will she be backup while you go for the next two potentials?
As for me, I haven't worked the sd website (contacts and emails to new girls) at all for about two weeks. I have my atf sb4 coming up again this weekend, and supposedly sb9 who I met with briefly in a bar over a week ago. SB9 is a student / artist and very curvy and flirty and has been out of town for a week on vacation. Before she left she said she was eager to move on to penetration but we shall see. It would be my luck for her to run into some dudes on vacation who have been fucking her brains out to her total satisfaction. I hope not. She has the potential to become another fave and it would be just great to have her as well as sb4 whenever I want. Meanwhile other possibles keep replying to my sd website emails from weeks ago and one or more of these may develop into something, especially if sb9 doesn't come through for me.
Sounds like a good time, Cool. Congratulations. I've never had a non-pro get a hotel room. Very unusual, especially for a first date. Who paid for the room and if she did, did you increase the amount of her gift? Just curious.
I find different girls have different sexual skills too. Sometimes oral skills are lacking in the hottest girls. Maybe they just feel they don't have to work so hard because they're cute. On the other hand, some girls just seem obsessed with getting their mouth on your dick. It would be great to find some way to predict this, just like it would be great to be able to predict what a girl's pussy looks like from her external appearance. What I like is a pussy that starts out neat and tidy and then gets messed up as you go along.
Are you planning to loop back and do csb1 again? Or will she be backup while you go for the next two potentials?
As for me, I haven't worked the sd website (contacts and emails to new girls) at all for about two weeks. I have my atf sb4 coming up again this weekend, and supposedly sb9 who I met with briefly in a bar over a week ago. SB9 is a student / artist and very curvy and flirty and has been out of town for a week on vacation. Before she left she said she was eager to move on to penetration but we shall see. It would be my luck for her to run into some dudes on vacation who have been fucking her brains out to her total satisfaction. I hope not. She has the potential to become another fave and it would be just great to have her as well as sb4 whenever I want. Meanwhile other possibles keep replying to my sd website emails from weeks ago and one or more of these may develop into something, especially if sb9 doesn't come through for me. Her getting the hotel room was the reason I placed her in the amateur / semi-pro category. I wasn't quite sure what to make of it. She did pay for the room so being the gentleman that I am, I did increase the amount of her gift. In retrospect that could be a problem since she doesn't know that's what I did and made create an expectation that I won't meet. I haven't decided yet if there will be another meeting with her (CSB2) so it may not matter. It may depend on how things go with the two new potentials I mentioned. There's still the five that say they are ready to meet so I have to decide something there.
If you're able to figure out a way to predict what a girls sexual skill sets are sign me up quick. That's why I would not see a provider who did not have reviews that gave me some idea of what I was paying for. With the Sugar Babies it's a total crap shoot. I may have been spoiled by the great skills that CSB1 has. Which is why, in answer to your question, I'm trying to set up a meeting with her next week. I figure why I try to sort out what I'm going to do about the other SB's I shouldn't let such talent go to waste. (Men are such dogs!)
Good luck with SB9. Even if there were some dudes fucking her brains out, vacation is over and it's time to come back to reality. I bet that what ever her financial issues were that brought her to the SD site in the first place are still there and still need to be addressed. Besides, a sore pussy will get better, unpaid bills won't!
I've been emailing SB9 for more than a month, first through the sb website and then by our own emails. One meeting was put off because of her period. When I first asked her to meet me in a hotel she said,"I don't even know you!" So we set up a get acquainted meeting to which she was so late I could only spend five minutes with her. She was sorry and said she'd be on time next time, so I set another date for a hotel. This time she said,"I've never done this before but its the only place we can meet I guess." She says she's 27 and looks like it, nice body from what I could see, very cheerful, pretty. I've been waiting to fuck her for a long while and I think it's finally going to happen Saturday. She is definitely a non-pro. She could be a keeper if I can manage the relationship correctly. I've told her it will be a couple times a month and has to be discreet and she's ok with that. Meanwhile on Sunday I have a three-peat scheduled with SB4. That girl is so hot but she is also so hard for me to get to. Plus now she wants more money. I'll have to see how things go Sunday. This may be my last time with SB4. But I want to have a harem of hot 20-something girls to fuck when I feel like it and I can't do it if I don't hold on to the ones I like the best.
She didn't contact me for more than 30 hours before our scheduled meeting so I thought it was 50-50 SB9 was going to stand me up. That would have made it 3 wasted hotel rooms in three months. But it turned out SB9 was on time, very sexy, very elegantly dressed. I love that. We met in an upscale hotel because I wanted to put her at ease when she arrived. I even left the curtains open so she could see in to the sitting room from outside when she first arrived. We had some drinks on the sofa as we talked and got acquainted. I caressed her back, arms and legs and kissed her occasionally to warm her up while we made small talk for about half an hour.
She was very satisfying and passionate in bed. All the usual stuff: dfk, BBBJ, mish, dg, cg, etc. No DATY since she had just finished her period. She has a nice slippery little slit which she keeps shaved. She came very fast with clit and nipple play and my dick in her mouth. Her natural large boobs are extremely sensitive and I could possibly make her cum just by sucking on them. I think she's about five years older than she claimed online, which would make her early 30's. I'd rate her an 8 for looks.
She's a tall girl and her weight is about 8-10 pounds above ideal and her hair is a little thin. She's not the knockout SB4 is but she's got a great body and is very attractive. I'll see her again. This gives me three I can see anytime I want now, but SB5 is too fucked up for me, dumb as a box of rocks and too skinny so I'm not planning to see her again unless Johnson has an emergency. I'm sure I could fuck SB6 and SB8 anytime too but they are just too heavy.
I'm probably paying double for my keeper UTR's what the skilled mongers pay for pros but I'm trying to building a stable of prime young amateur females and I don't have the advantages of youth, good looks or a bachelor pad so its hard.
Tomorrow its back to SB4.
She was very satisfying and passionate in bed. All the usual stuff: dfk, BBBJ, mish, dg, cg, etc. No DATY since she had just finished her period. She has a nice slippery little slit which she keeps shaved. She came very fast with clit and nipple play and my dick in her mouth. Her natural large boobs are extremely sensitive and I could possibly make her cum just by sucking on them. I think she's about five years older than she claimed online, which would make her early 30's. I'd rate her an 8 for looks.
She's a tall girl and her weight is about 8-10 pounds above ideal and her hair is a little thin. She's not the knockout SB4 is but she's got a great body and is very attractive. I'll see her again. This gives me three I can see anytime I want now, but SB5 is too fucked up for me, dumb as a box of rocks and too skinny so I'm not planning to see her again unless Johnson has an emergency. I'm sure I could fuck SB6 and SB8 anytime too but they are just too heavy.
I'm probably paying double for my keeper UTR's what the skilled mongers pay for pros but I'm trying to building a stable of prime young amateur females and I don't have the advantages of youth, good looks or a bachelor pad so its hard.
Tomorrow its back to SB4. Congrats Literal on SB9. To bad DATY was not available this time but looks like you'll have other opportunities. I like your idea of building up a stable of SB's. I think we're about the same age (60ish) and I have the same restrictions (don't have the advantages of youth, good looks or a bachelor pad.) I'm not sure of how many. They do take some amount of work.
I've had a interesting couple of days on the SB front. CSB2 is now out of the rotation. She sent me a text asking for money for some lame reason. This is a no-no. Text's are only to be sent on meeting days, no exceptions. (Tiger Woods rule) The pussy was good but not that good. I've been in a fast and furious round of communication with a 21 yr old. (CSB3) She said she had a previous SD who gave her $700-$900 a visit and anything less was cheap. I called her bluff, told her my allowance amount was $$, and if that was not acceptable I wished her well. Now this is a quote "well it was a nice try. 200 can be suitable." She says she has her own place so I'm going to try to set up a meet next week. I need to get to it before some one agrees to her original asking price. I'm set to meet CSB1 on Tuesday. I'm not yet ready to give up the tried and true. There are two more that say there ready to meet but CSB3 bumped them in the line. It's been a long time since I had any non-pro 21 year old pussy.
Another good session with SB4. This risks becoming a relationship.
Cool, it sounds to me like you are real disciplined with your money and I salute you for that. If you succeed with the 21-year old, I'll be envious. I haven't had a 21-year old girl since well since I was about 21. The few 19 year and 20/21 year olds I've pitched on the sb site have not come thru for me. Most of the time they just ignore me but as I reported two of them set dates and then disappeared. I did date a 23 year old stripper for a while a few years go, and now that I think of it, I dated a 20 year old stripper in Toronto a few times. The 20 year old was gorgeous, but completely insane, unpredictable and wild. She was a cutter (cut herself with razor blades). I couldn't handle her behavior. The 23 year old had a couple kids and wanted to move in. AAAARRGHHH! So my luck with the barely legal set on and on the sb site has not been real good.
I was amused by your Tiger Woods rules. I have my own version. Still trying to perfect them.
Another good session with SB4. This risks becoming a relationship.
Cool, it sounds to me like you are real disciplined with your money and I salute you for that. If you succeed with the 21-year old, I'll be envious. I haven't had a 21-year old girl since well since I was about 21. The few 19 year and 20/21 year olds I've pitched on the sb site have not come thru for me. Most of the time they just ignore me but as I reported two of them set dates and then disappeared. I did date a 23 year old stripper for a while a few years go, and now that I think of it, I dated a 20 year old stripper in Toronto a few times. The 20 year old was gorgeous, but completely insane, unpredictable and wild. She was a cutter (cut herself with razor blades). I couldn't handle her behavior. The 23 year old had a couple kids and wanted to move in. AAAARRGHHH! So my luck with the barely legal set on and on the sb site has not been real good.
I was amused by your Tiger Woods rules. I have my own version. Still trying to perfect them. Well Literal SB4 sounds like a winner. Did a increase to her allowance come up? Be careful; relationship is a dangerous word. As to the 21 year old (CSB3) , no date has been set and I have not heard from her since our little back and forth. Maybe someone did slip in there who was willing to pay her asking price. I do live in hope. As a rule I tend to stay away from the young ones because they can be such unpredictable flakes. That's why I like the ones in there 30's. Much more stable. I did dream I saw a 19 yr old pro last year who had the tightest pussy I could ever remember. She got out of the biz before I could repeat. What a lost!
I do try to be careful with my funds since they are not unlimited for the pursuit of pussy. I was taken to task on this board for what I spent on a dream even though I felt got my monies worth. (see Richmond Escort Reports post #3425) I just want to make sure I get value for the money spent. Seeing an amateur where there's an exchange of money involved is the same to me as seeing a pro with no reviews. If she has great skills I would be willing to review the financial arrangement but those skills must be demonstrated first. That's why I like my housewife (CSB1) , not the hottest but absolutely mad skills and has never asked for a price increase.
My Tiger Woods rule was instituted after his text messages caused all of his misfortune. I consider it an update to my rule set brought about by the advances in technology. My second marriage blew up over a similar incident with a pager. (shows how old I am) It led to a very messy and costly divorce. I can't afford that happening again.
Well Literal SB4 sounds like a winner. Did a increase to her allowance come up?
My Tiger Woods rule was instituted after his text messages caused all of his misfortune. I consider it an update to my rule set brought about by the advances in technology. My second marriage blew up over a similar incident with a pager. (shows how old I am) It led to a very messy and costly divorce. I can't afford that happening again. Yes she's asked for more allowance. Problem is, I know she needs it. She's a single mom, daddy pays nada, the girl works as a receptionist and is trying to play the sb / sd game straight as far as I can tell, meaning: she isn't seeing other sd's. She's pretty, emotional, passionate, funny. If I were 40 or even 30 years younger. Oh well. Anyway, she's trying hard to keep it together so I'm sympathetic. But I have my limits and I can't get involved beyond those limits. I have to make a decision about her in the coming weeks. This is one of the problems with the sb / sd concept. People get involved.
As to the Tiger Woods rules. I don't take texts from girls. Also I use a dedicated cell which is off most of the time (except for voice mail) and scrub the registers every time I use it. I keep a PO Box for some billing purposes and prefer cash whenever I can. I keep sensitive data encrypted with Truecrypt. I'm always looking for new security techniques so any suggestions or alternative techniques would be appreciated.
I do try to be careful with my funds since they are not unlimited for the pursuit of pussy. I was taken to task on this board for what I spent on a dream even though I felt got my monies worth. (see Richmond Escort Reports post #3425) I just want to make sure I get value for the money spent. Seeing an amateur where there's an exchange of money involved is the same to me as seeing a pro with no reviews. If she has great skills I would be willing to review the financial arrangement but those skills must be demonstrated first. That's why I like my housewife (CSB1) , not the hottest but absolutely mad skills and has never asked for a price increase.
I looked at your post 3425 and the girl does seem unusually uninhibited. I tend more towards the shy types myself but occasionally a wild one is really a treat. I had a model out in LA once who was that way and she cost even more than 3425. In my case, it was great one time and the second time I wasn't into it. I don't know why, maybe I just like to be the dominant one in the action. My SB2, a chubby little hospital administrator, was very uninhibited, squirted all over the place, and nearly broke my damn dick off the three times I saw her. She kept trying to do anal and I kept avoiding it. Not my thing. Anyway she was riding me cg and slipped my dick up her butt without me knowing it. I put my hand way up her pussy and felt something I thought was a diaphragm. I pulled it out and it was my goddam condom! I panicked and got out, got up, washed and had her jerk me off. I waited a few weeks and went for an STD test which came back negative, thank god. It was a learning experience but I prefer the shy ones as a general rule. Skills are secondary for me. No disrespect to anyone else's preferences.
As far as money goes, every woman I've ever had has cost me money, my first wife most of all. For me it's a question of who makes me happy, not whether I'm getting a good financial deal. I'd rather fuck Princess Diana in her prime and spend $2k than fuck some old bag lady and spend a quarter. That being said, this forum is a great place to learn the going rate which is always of interest. And I love a bargain when one comes along.
I enjoy the shy ones also. Wading through all the scams, time wasters and 'want to-bes' can be a real chore, but when you find a good one, it makes it worth it.
Hornytoad1
03-15-11, 17:08
Sorry to jump in here but I was told text messages were only stored for 24hrs then deleted. Only with a court order can they be retrieved.
As to the Tiger Woods rules. I don't take texts from girls. Also I use a dedicated cell which is off most of the time (except for voice mail) and scrub the registers every time I use it. I keep a PO Box for some billing purposes and prefer cash whenever I can. I keep sensitive data encrypted with Truecrypt. I'm always looking for new security techniques so any suggestions or alternative techniques would be appreciated.How do you manage the dedicated cell? I know if a second cell was discovered by the warden there would be hell to pay. The same with a bill for a PO Box. I've just careful to scrub the phone of texts and numbers before I come home. If she found something encrypted, she would want to know why. One has to stay on ones toes in this mongering business.
I looked at your post 3425 and the girl does seem unusually uninhibited. I tend more towards the shy types myself but occasionally a wild one is really a treat. I had a model out in LA once who was that way and she cost even more than 3425. In my case, it was great one time and the second time I wasn't into it. I don't know why, maybe I just like to be the dominant one in the action. My SB2, a chubby little hospital administrator, was very uninhibited, squirted all over the place, and nearly broke my damn dick off the three times I saw her. She kept trying to do anal and I kept avoiding it. Not my thing. Anyway she was riding me cg and slipped my dick up her butt without me knowing it. I put my hand way up her pussy and felt something I thought was a diaphragm. I pulled it out and it was my goddam condom! I panicked and got out, got up, washed and had her jerk me off. I waited a few weeks and went for an STD test which came back negative, thank god. It was a learning experience but I prefer the shy ones as a general rule. Skills are secondary for me. No disrespect to anyone else's preferences.As to the one in the post, she let me dominate by doing exactly what I wanted for as long as I wanted. I was seeing a women in California who worked in the film industry. A absolute freak but she was totally unstable. As great as her skills were, I had to cut her loose. Skills don't trump craziness. I do place a high premium on skills which is why I didn't begrudge the provider in the post the money. It was a one time thing but I'm hoping to run across a sugar baby who matches her. Maybe you should turn me on to SB2 when you're done with her.
As far as money goes, every woman I've ever had has cost me money, my first wife most of all. For me it's a question of who makes me happy, not whether I'm getting a good financial deal. I'd rather fuck Princess Diana in her prime and spend $2k than fuck some old bag lady and spend a quarter. That being said, this forum is a great place to learn the going rate which is always of interest. And I love a bargain when one comes along.I couldn't agree with you more. My second wife took me to the cleaners. It's been over 12 years and it still hurts a lot. I keep a bargain in my pocket. There's a thick ebony pro I dream about in Richmond who I call when someone cancels. $.5 and all avenues open. I usually can get her on short notice so a trip is not wasted.
You're right; this forum is great!
Sorry to jump in here but I was told text messages were only stored for 24hrs then deleted. Only with a court order can they be retrieved.They'll still be in your phone if you don't delete them.
CantWinLosin
03-15-11, 22:17
Someone once said "Free sex is always the most expensive kind." How right they were!
As for building a relationship: Not bloody likely. Occasionally you might find some lady doing this that has her head screwed on straight, but I'm betting they're VERY rare. Every single one of the ladies / girls I've met doing this had significant emotional and / or psychological issues, from chemical dependency problems to chaos disorder. Doesn't mean they weren't beautiful and sweet and great in the sack, but they sure weren't relationship material. Think about it. Why is it that these girls never seem able to quite make ends meet consistently? They always have some emergency that they need extra money for. They're incapable of living within their means, and they're looking for a shortcut instead of learning how to make a budget and stay on it. Not flaming. Just pointing out something that a lot of guys lose sight of in this game.
How do you manage the dedicated cell? I know if a second cell was discovered by the warden there would be hell to pay. The same with a bill for a PO Box. I've just careful to scrub the phone of texts and numbers before I come home. If she found something encrypted, she would want to know why. One has to stay on ones toes in this mongering business.Well I can't give away all my secrets but I'll say this: there are cell phones and there are sim cards, and as to encrypted files, there is encryption within encryption. As to po boxes, it's best to have a valid reason to have one but control access to it personally, like a safe deposit box. The bill comes to the box and actually I think you can handle it online these days. With all of these things it's important not to use them for anything illegal so that LE never has a reason to get on your case because if they do, these things will fail. It's also important to think through exactly what you will say if the warden breaches your security.
I enjoy the shy ones also. Wading through all the scams, time wasters and 'want to-bes' can be a real chore, but when you find a good one, it makes it worth it.Yes, I just love them. A couple of times I've been with nervous, inexperienced pros who were apprehensive and would try to convert my desire for FS to a HJ. It just gets me worked up, like I'm a stallion trying to corner a filly against a fence so I can mount her.
Someone once said "Free sex is always the most expensive kind." How right they were!
As for building a relationship: Not bloody likely. Occasionally you might find some lady doing this that has her head screwed on straight, but I'm betting they're VERY rare. Every single one of the ladies / girls I've met doing this had significant emotional and / or psychological issues, from chemical dependency problems to chaos disorder. Doesn't mean they weren't beautiful and sweet and great in the sack, but they sure weren't relationship material. Think about it. Why is it that these girls never seem able to quite make ends meet consistently? They always have some emergency that they need extra money for. They're incapable of living within their means, and they're looking for a shortcut instead of learning how to make a budget and stay on it. Not flaming. Just pointing out something that a lot of guys lose sight of in this game. Yeah I guess you're right. I'm going to have to let her go.
Sorry to jump in here but I was told text messages were only stored for 24hrs then deleted. Only with a court order can they be retrieved.I think they'll stay on your cell until you delete them, but I assume there's always a copy someplace on the cell phone vendor's computer. Who knows these days who else is monitoring cell phone traffic? A private individual shouldn't be able to access those copies. Tiger apparently left some of them on his phone for his wife to find which was not smart. If there is LE interest for whatever reason or a court order they will probably be recovered anyway. So I just refuse to let girls send me texts and I don't text them.
I've experienced quite a few who it seems will hint at intimacy, but are reluctant to deliver. What have you guys found to be the best way to quickly separate those time wasters from the ones who are serious about getting down to business? I enjoy the whole 'dating' concept. Going out to dinner, shopping, etc. And I like good company, but I'm also looking for playtime too. What's the best way you've found? Do you bluntly ask or simply drop hints and gauge the response?
It's especially important for me as my area is lacking in the population of potential SBs and if I'm going to travel, I want to make sure my time is spent well.
I've experienced quite a few who it seems will hint at intimacy, but are reluctant to deliver. What have you guys found to be the best way to quickly separate those time wasters from the ones who are serious about getting down to business? I enjoy the whole 'dating' concept. Going out to dinner, shopping, etc. And I like good company, but I'm also looking for playtime too. What's the best way you've found? Do you bluntly ask or simply drop hints and gauge the response?
It's especially important for me as my area is lacking in the population of potential SBs and if I'm going to travel, I want to make sure my time is spent well.I have the same issues that you are facing. I travel also to meet SB's and I don't like wasting a trip. I've found that bluntness, delivered in a nice way, is the best way to go. After the initial contact, I try to spell out what I mean by "companionship". I've used some of the pointers that Literal2 has given such as staying away from the ones who are looking for relationships or husbands. As has been pointed out in this thread, it does take work to separate them out.
Yesterday had it's ups and downs. CSB1 canceled on me as I was en route to her location. Sick child was the reason given. This is her second straight cancellation so I'm not sure what is going on. I haven't made up my mind if I should just let this go. The good news is I heard back from the 21year old (CSB3) that she's ready to meet based on the arrangement that I had spelled out. I'm going to try to move on this as soon as I can before her resolve waivers.
. As has been pointed out in this thread, it does take work to separate them out.I don't mind the work but am always looking for ways to work smarter :)
I've experienced quite a few who it seems will hint at intimacy, but are reluctant to deliver. What have you guys found to be the best way to quickly separate those time wasters from the ones who are serious about getting down to business? I enjoy the whole 'dating' concept. Going out to dinner, shopping, etc. And I like good company, but I'm also looking for playtime too. What's the best way you've found? Do you bluntly ask or simply drop hints and gauge the response?
It's especially important for me as my area is lacking in the population of potential SBs and if I'm going to travel, I want to make sure my time is spent well. I ask if they have a place we can meet privately or do I need to get a room. Even if we meet in a public place first, that way she'll know where I'm headed. This usually brings on a discussion of intimacy, timing, etc. Just my experience.
Yesterday had it's ups and downs. CSB1 canceled on me as I was en route to her location. Sick child was the reason given. This is her second straight cancellation so I'm not sure what is going on. I haven't made up my mind if I should just let this go. The good news is I heard back from the 21year old (CSB3) that she's ready to meet based on the arrangement that I had spelled out. I'm going to try to move on this as soon as I can before her resolve waivers.I think I'd back off for a while and see what happens with CSB1, but good luck!
CSB3 sounds positive but she is 21 so don't bank on it yet. Good luck with her also!
I ask if they have a place we can meet privately or do I need to get a room. Even if we meet in a public place first, that way she'll know where I'm headed. This usually brings on a discussion of intimacy, timing, etc. Just my experience.That sounds like a good way to handle things up front, thanks!
That sounds like a good way to handle things up front, thanks!When it comes to SB, Literal2 is the MAN!
I think I'd back off for a while and see what happens with CSB1, but good luck!
CSB3 sounds positive but she is 21 so don't bank on it yet. Good luck with her also! I'm going to take your advice on CSB1 and totally back off for awhile. I'll see if she contacts me. I tried to see CSB3 on Friday but she turned me down because of another "dude." I haven't a clue where this is going, if any where, but as you said "she is 21." I'm not going to hold my breath but it would be nice.
On a happier note CSB4 has burst on the scene. We've been communicating back and forth for about three weeks and finally have a date set for Monday. She's a 31 year old single mother of two. She seemed very unsure about the whole SB / SD relationship, although she stated right upfront she needed financial help. She seemed real shy and then she goes and post a picture of her bare breasts (which look marvelous.) It was password protected but I have to admit it threw me for a loop. It wasn't what I was expecting at all. We're meeting for coffee but as usual, I have been clear on what my expectations are. We'll see what happens.
When it comes to SB, Literal2 is the MAN!Yeah, well, thanks but I'm running out of vitamin V, which could be embarrassing, and I'm also having problems getting free to see my two sweetheart sb's. Frustrating.
I'm going to take your advice on CSB1 and totally back off for awhile. I'll see if she contacts me. I tried to see CSB3 on Friday but she turned me down because of another "dude." I haven't a clue where this is going, if any where, but as you said "she is 21." I'm not going to hold my breath but it would be nice.
On a happier note CSB4 has burst on the scene. We've been communicating back and forth for about three weeks and finally have a date set for Monday. She's a 31 year old single mother of two. She seemed very unsure about the whole SB / SD relationship, although she stated right upfront she needed financial help. She seemed real shy and then she goes and post a picture of her bare breasts (which look marvelous.) It was password protected but I have to admit it threw me for a loop. It wasn't what I was expecting at all. We're meeting for coffee but as usual, I have been clear on what my expectations are. We'll see what happens. The great thing about this hobby is that there are always, always more girls. Good luck.
I ask if they have a place we can meet privately or do I need to get a room. Even if we meet in a public place first, that way she'll know where I'm headed. This usually brings on a discussion of intimacy, timing, etc. Just my experience.Is it possible to get a room without registering a I'd? I'm facing this, with some nervousness, on Monday. Feel free to PM the answer.
Yeah, well, thanks but I'm running out of vitamin V, which could be embarrassing, and I'm also having problems getting free to see my two sweetheart sb's. Frustrating.Funny you should mention that. I'm starring at the bottom of my pill bottle but I have a refill at the pharmacy. I'm going to pick it up on the way to my "coffee" with CSB4 on Monday. That's cutting it to close.
I don't know any way to get a room without some kind of I'd. I've thought about asking the girl to get the room and then reimburse her but I haven't tried it. I just try to be careful with who sees the bill for the room. Let me know if you come up with something else. Good luck Monday. You have to be patient in this business.
CantWinLosin
03-20-11, 14:39
I always tell them,"use my work address so I can expense it" and then give them some bogus address. If you use any decent motel (Holiday Inn Express, Days Inn or better) there's a not-insignificant chance you will receive crap in the mail from them. Which can be damn difficult to explain to the Warden. .
I don't know any way to get a room without some kind of I'd. I've thought about asking the girl to get the room and then reimburse her but I haven't tried it. I just try to be careful with who sees the bill for the room. Let me know if you come up with something else. Good luck Monday. You have to be patient in this business.Some of the girls may not be able to get the room, it seems many of them lack, or have maxed out, credit cards. You could try reserving the room on a credit card, then settling up with cash when you check out.
I don't know any way to get a room without some kind of I'd. I've thought about asking the girl to get the room and then reimburse her but I haven't tried it. I just try to be careful with who sees the bill for the room. Let me know if you come up with something else. Good luck Monday. You have to be patient in this business.My issue is the leaving of a paper trail. In pursuing this hobby I try to avoid anything that puts me someplace at a specific date and time. It puts a damper on deniability. This is my first meeting with CSB4 so I don't know if she has a credit card or is comfortable with her getting the room. I'm going to pay cash for the room so CC is not an issue. I've had escorts get the room and I cover it with no problem. Just another issue to work through with SB's.
I always tell them,"use my work address so I can expense it" and then give them some bogus address. If you use any decent motel (Holiday Inn Express, Days Inn or better) there's a not-insignificant chance you will receive crap in the mail from them. Which can be damn difficult to explain to the Warden. .This is a good idea. Thanks. I'll try it.
Some of the girls may not be able to get the room, it seems many of them lack, or have maxed out, credit cards. You could try reserving the room on a credit card, then settling up with cash when you check out.Interesting concept. But I wonder if it will raise suspicion. Also not sure if you gain anything because they have your I. D. Info anyway. Usually I pay for the room in advance with a credit card and the bill shows up under the door in the morning marked paid.
Of the seven sb's who have actually opened their pussy for me in the last couple months, four did so in their own homes and three were at a hotel. FYI.
KC Questor
03-20-11, 23:48
Interesting concept. But I wonder if it will raise suspicion. Also not sure if you gain anything because they have your I. D. Info anyway. Usually I pay for the room in advance with a credit card and the bill shows up under the door in the morning marked paid.Yes, but if you pay with cash the room doesn't show up on your credit card statement for the SO to see.
Yes, but if you pay with cash the room doesn't show up on your credit card statement for the SO to see.That's right. I hadn't thought of that. It's a good idea if the SO reviews your cc bill, that's for sure.
And the only one worse than your SO to question your notel bill on the CC is your SO's divorce lawyer! Always use cash and destroy the paid receipt. Just my two cents worth. Play safe. Pb
I don't have a significant other so I haven't give this a lot of thought, but with that said, here are a few ideas:
Purchase a pre-paid credit card with enough of a balance for a hotel to reserve a room. Not sure if that will work with reserving a hotel, but worth a try. If it does work, and if they don't ask for ID, then give a fake name & address when you register since a pre-paid card isn't tied to your name or address.
Purchase a pre-paid cell phone to use only for sugar baby activities. Always turn it off when not expecting contact. It also shields you somewhat from unwanted contact if they turn out to be crazy, flaky or clingy.
KC Questor
03-21-11, 10:36
If your SO would be confused seeing you with a burner phone, look into Google Voice. Some people don't like it because Google probably keeps records and it is tied to your phone, but for those guys who can't chance their SO finding a spare phone it is awesome.
Google Voice sets you up with a second phone number and forwards calls to that number to your cell phone (or anywhere you want). You can set up personalized greetings and specific instructions for callers in your contact list or not.
So someone you don't know calls the number and it goes straight to voicemail with a generic message."Stripper Bambi" calls and it goes to voicemail with a personalized message."SB Susan" calls and it rings to your phone, but she doesn't know your real number and if she gets clingy she shunted off to voicemail land or just gets blocked.
If your SO would be confused seeing you with a burner phone, look into Google Voice. Some people don't like it because Google probably keeps records and it is tied to your phone, but for those guys who can't chance their SO finding a spare phone it is awesome.
Google Voice sets you up with a second phone number and forwards calls to that number to your cell phone (or anywhere you want). You can set up personalized greetings and specific instructions for callers in your contact list or not.
So someone you don't know calls the number and it goes straight to voicemail with a generic message."Stripper Bambi" calls and it goes to voicemail with a personalized message."SB Susan" calls and it rings to your phone, but she doesn't know your real number and if she gets clingy she shunted off to voicemail land or just gets blocked. The problem I can see with that is if a person's SO answers the phone. Then you have to explain to your SO who that girl was that was calling you.
KC Questor
03-21-11, 12:42
The problem I can see with that is if a person's SO answers the phone. Then you have to explain to your SO who that girl was that was calling you.But your SO wouldn't be suspicious when a second phone starts ringing? So you leave it off and hide it and pray she never finds it.
That's why the Google Voice controls are so great. You can set up individual instructions for every possible incoming call. So someone who would be suspicious goes straight to voicemail (and it will even e-mail you a transcript of the voicemail so you don't have to call in to check it). It shows up as voicemail from an ordinary phone number, which you can even enter in as a contact and name it something unsuspicious like "Office. Shipping Department". The only people who you let ring through are ones you know, or trust to be cool if the wife answers.
The biggest concern a lot of guys have with Google is that it is pretty clear that Google will be archiving the call logs. I might be worried about that if I was dealing with large agencies which might be the target of federal stings. But for calls to independent girls or SBs, I don't care what Google does. That data isn't going to be public or found by a SO.
Google Voice sounds like it may have real benefits for our hobby. I'm going to look into it.
Pre-paid credit cards and phones have potential as well.
Cash at checkout makes sense too.
Thanks.
The great thing about this hobby is that there are always, always more girls. Good luck.First of all CSB4 canceled. Bummer. She messaged me today about how sorry she was and still wants to get together. This may be more then it's worth. Good news is Literal is right,"there's always, always more girls." I have another trip scheduled for Thursday with three possible SB to see. I've got to make up my mind today. One clearly seems to be an amature, another could be a semi-pro and I'm not sure what the third is. She projects a strong sense of neediness and I haven't even seen her yet. I'll let you know who gets the coveted designation of CSB5,
Thanks everybody for all your tips about the hotel. Hopefully I'll get to implement soon.
Coolhand
First of all CSB4 canceled. Bummer. She messaged me today about how sorry she was and still wants to get together. This may be more then it's worth. Good news is Literal is right,"there's always, always more girls." I have another trip scheduled for Thursday with three possible SB to see. I've got to make up my mind today. One clearly seems to be an amature, another could be a semi-pro and I'm not sure what the third is. She projects a strong sense of neediness and I haven't even seen her yet. I'll let you know who gets the coveted designation of CSB5,
Thanks everybody for all your tips about the hotel. Hopefully I'll get to implement soon.
CoolhandIt sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.
Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck!
Cool, that sucks. Tough luck, man. The hottest girls are the ones most likely to cancel.
I've been burned a few times and don't really have any way to prevent it completely.
I'm not looking right now because I have two sb's I can have whenever I get loose and they are the two I want but I can't get loose and may not be able to for another week or so. This is a different kind of bummer but goes with the hobby.
What I've found on the sb sites is that when a girl says she'll meet it doesn't mean anything. She has to confirm and reconfirm a specific time and place. It looks like you did that. The other thing is, if any part of her discussion, for example, about the allowance, sounds like she's not happy she is likely to cancel or not show no matter how much she reconfirms.
Out of seven successful sb episodes so far, I didn't discuss allowance specifically at all before the meeting in three cases. If you do discuss it specifically in advance you will have a better close rate if your proposal is above the market for pros. (I realize this is obvious and not a brilliant insight, but I think it should be mentioned.) My least costly sbs were the ones who never discussed it. The only time I had an extended discussion about allowance was with a Euro babe model type who finally agreed to meet for a ridiculous amount offered by Mr Johnson and gave me her home address and a time but I canceled because she had become too expensive. She then kept trying to reschedule but I kept Johnson out of the discussion and didn't. So I think the less discussion about it the better. Others may disagree, just my views. I'm learning. When it comes to girls I'm a life long learner and never understand them 100 percent.
A certain number of sb girls are very definite right away. The ones like this I've been with already know a specific place they want to meet and will offer it. Sometimes these aren't the hottest girls though. But you can get lucky. One of my ATF's was this way.
It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.
Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck! I hope I'd quit after a couple of cancellations too or just one no show. But Johnson sometimes has his own agenda.
It sucks when they cancel. I always give a 2nd chance, but never a 3rd. If someone cancels twice in a row, it indicates to me that she's not serious and we're done. Literal is right, there are always more girls, so no sense in putting up with a flake.
Why just CSB5? Why not CSB5, CSB6 and CSB7? Only teasing, I can only handle 1 SB at a time myself. Good Luck!The votes are in and after careful consideration the selection committee has awarded the coveted designation of CSB5 to the amature! Mid-thirties. 5'8", built nice (if the pictures are correct) , and a really great rack. Don't know if she's a single Mom or not. We're set to meet tomorrow evening after she picks her Mom up from work and takes her home. (What a sweet girl!) I hope to break my bad streak with this one. If so then I can go after CSB6, CSB7, CSB8, etc, etc etc.
I hope CSB5 went well for Cool.
I've had trouble breaking free to see my two sweetheart keeper utr sb's SB4 and SB9. Even though SB4 is hotter I keep thinking about SB9, her super sensitive nipples and the way she rubbed her wet little pussy back and forth on my hand until she came while she tongued my dick. I also love the way she DFKs. I've only been with her once and with limited vitamin V left I have to make a choice. SB4 is great but I might be risking more of a relationship with her than I want. Besides I've had her three times. I didn't think I'd get free to see anyone this weekend but then I got this sweet email from SB9 saying she wanted another big cum and her allowance. She's very relaxed about sex and very responsive. So Johnson has decided to risk it and sneak out later today and fuck her again. God I love this hobby.
Well CSB5 was a partial bust which was not her fault. As it turned out I only had 30 minutes to meet. I met her at her home where we sit and chatted for the time I had. Nice girl, pictures are accurate and she can actually hold a conversation. To be honest it wasn't the words coming out of her mouth that interested me. We'll have to see where it goes from here. My problem is I can't get to my meeting city until sometime in the 1st week of April. March was not a good month for me as far as SB's go. Here's to a successful April!
Thanks for updating, Cool. This stuff can be frustrating. I had a long dry stretch that seemed to go on for ever a while back. You just have to keep at it. At the same time you can't let security slip.
My second session SB9 yesterday was very satisfying. The session was rushed because I didn't have much time. She says she likes girls too and hinted at us possibly getting together with her hot friends. That would be a fantasy of mine come true but the security would be a nightmare so even if she's serious it will never happen. But I can dream.
Now I am totally out of my little blue pills and have to get the prescription renewed, which will take some time, so I doubt much is going to happen for a while. This is a shame because in addition to SB4 and SB9 another girl who looks hot and is a college student keeps trying to get together with me. She tried calling me through the sb website's anonymous calling service about 10 times yesterday. I have asked her for a more revealing photo though and she hasn't given me one yet. So I'm worried she's chunky or something.
Well CSB5 was a partial bust which was not her fault. As it turned out I only had 30 minutes to meet. I met her at her home where we sit and chatted for the time I had. Amen to April.
Let me ask you something. OK, you only had 30 minutes, but you were alone with her right? So what did you think would happen if while she was chatting away, after five minutes or so, you just picked up her hand and kept listening to her and when she stopped you said,"You have such pretty hands," or something like that? Or what if you just stroked her hair, her back, upper arms, etc, while she was talking, just to get her warmed up. This would leave you 20 minutes or so to complete, minus five to put your pants back on, etc. Or was her body language telling you not to try it?
30 minutes is cutting it close though, I agree.
SM's only, I need some help on any white 21-40 lady thats secure, no drama and not over $150 for a visit. Prefer one who does massages.
I've had 1 nice sb before but lost her. Went to meet one tonight and I'm in a wheelchair which makes it tough. 30 min drive I find STEPS! She came out and was sexy as hell. My luck!
Amen to April.
Let me ask you something. OK, you only had 30 minutes, but you were alone with her right? So what did you think would happen if while she was chatting away, after five minutes or so, you just picked up her hand and kept listening to her and when she stopped you said,"You have such pretty hands," or something like that? Or what if you just stroked her hair, her back, upper arms, etc, while she was talking, just to get her warmed up. This would leave you 20 minutes or so to complete, minus five to put your pants back on, etc. Or was her body language telling you not to try it?
30 minutes is cutting it close though, I agree.Your question is a valid one. What was stopping me was the 30 minutes and I had no leeway. I was afraid that if I started something and she was receptive the little head would take control from the big head and I would have a lot of explaining to do. Trust me, I more then you wish I had an answer. It would help me decide if I want to pursue this further. Come on April!
Now I am totally out of my little blue pills and have to get the prescription renewed, which will take some time, so I doubt much is going to happen for a while. This is a shame because in addition to SB4 and SB9 another girl who looks hot and is a college student keeps trying to get together with me. She tried calling me through the sb website's anonymous calling service about 10 times yesterday. I have asked her for a more revealing photo though and she hasn't given me one yet. So I'm worried she's chunky or something.You may be aware of all this but here goes. First of all my Doc writes the script for double the dosage that I need. I split the pills so they go twice as far. I discovered a little while back that the script was for ten but my insurance would only pay for six. I started paying for the other four which gives me eight more doses. This has helped me from running out. The downside is I noticed it now takes 3/4 of a pill for the same effect so they're not going as far. (Getting old sucks!).
Hope this helps.
I've had 1 nice sb before but lost her. Went to meet one tonight and I'm in a wheelchair which makes it tough. 30 min drive I find STEPS! She came out and was sexy as hell. My luck!Bad luck JW! Damn steps! Oh well, there are plenty more girls to try. Never give up. It's great that you're in the game.
Your question is a valid one. What was stopping me was the 30 minutes and I had no leeway. I was afraid that if I started something and she was receptive the little head would take control from the big head and I would have a lot of explaining to do. Trust me, I more then you wish I had an answer. It would help me decide if I want to pursue this further. Come on April!Yeah, that probably made sense. I still think about girls I nearly fucked but didn't. A long time ago a beauty I didn't know asked me over to her place to put suntan lotion on her back and took off her blouse. I just did what she asked and then left.
You may be aware of all this but here goes. First of all my Doc writes the script for double the dosage that I need. I split the pills so they go twice as far. I discovered a little while back that the script was for ten but my insurance would only pay for six. I started paying for the other four which gives me eight more doses. This has helped me from running out. The downside is I noticed it now takes 3/4 of a pill for the same effect so they're not going as far. (Getting old sucks!).
Hope this helps. Thanks. I know what you mean about using more over time. I used up my supply faster than I anticipated.
Richmond Mas
03-29-11, 20:43
How do you go about finding these sugar babies? Seems like a hit or miss kind of deal.
How do you go about finding these sugar babies? Seems like a hit or miss kind of deal.Yes it's hit or miss. Try googling sugardaddy / sugarbaby or seeking arrangements.
Yes it's hit or miss. Try googling sugardaddy / sugarbaby or seeking arrangements.I recently joined this one. www.sugardaddyforme.com Has a lot of potential. I've gotton a lot of e-mails from the sugar-babies. I'm filtering through them and replying to the one's I think have the potential to be something. I'll keep you posted if anything good happens.
It's very hit or miss. Another site I frequent has women who list themselves as having 'modeled' for these sites, so I believe the sites load some 'fakes' or 'ringers'. Whatever you want to call it to generate interest. With that said, there are genuine women worth meeting. It's just effort to wade through the scams and time wasters.
I recently joined this one.
www.sugardaddyforme.com
Has a lot of potential. I've gotton a lot of e-mails from the sugar-babies. I'm filtering through them and replying to the one's I think have the potential to be something. I'll keep you posted if anything good happens. There are lots of phonies and flakes plus a whole lot of girls who don't really seem to know what they want. Plus chemistry is much more important than it is with an escort. If she doesn't like the way you look or talk or describe yourself or your pix she isn't going to see you (unless she really is a pro and there are a few of these on the site). I find the most exciting part to be sorting through the different girls and wondering whether this one or that one is going to really take off her panties for me, just like dating except that the girls don't expect a permanent relationship. You can have a lot of fun with these girls. I have settled on two for now and I fuck them both whenever I can, which is about every two weeks. This is very satisfying for me, but I miss the chase and I will resume trolling for new girls in a few more weeks I think.
Seems like a hit or miss kind of deal.Things have been sort of quiet on the SB front but I have something I wanted to pass on. It's been mentioned how you really have to work at sorting through the SB's. Here's an example. I had been messaging back and forth with what seemed to be a very interesting prospect. Mid 20's. 5'7, and a nice body based on her pics. She gave me her number and asked me to call. In our conversation she proceeds to tell me about her recent divorce and she's only on the site because she needs financial help with her 5 year old son. She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.
Cool, I know there are some pros on the sb sites. But hey, if the girl is hot, you may want to fuck her just for sport.
I'm having trouble with the damn sb numbers. I think the following are the right sb numbers.
I'm getting some more blue fuel Monday and the warden is going to be away for a few days next week. I immediatey lined up my keeper beauty sb utrs sb4 and sb9 for consecutive days. I know these two will open their giners, ooze girlcum, invite my penetration, thrust their lttle clits out and squrim and moan before cumming hard to try to acquire my semen. That can be satsifying. But this will be 4th time for sb4 and 3rd time for sb9 so for me the anticipation isn't there.
However, I re-contacted a woman outside the age group I like (23-29) who previously wanted commitment plus a ridiculous amount of allowance. She says she is 39 but looks younger and her pix are hot. I think she may ready for penetration now. I'll call her sb12. I've scheduled her the day before the other two. We haven't discussed allowance.
I'm excited to be closing in on fresh pussy with backups in case of misfire.
Meanwhile I sent sb11 a little sugar just to keep her interested. She's 21 she says and I can't get to her for another few weeks. I wasn't going to do this because sb3 never met me after I gave her some sugar, but guess what? Sb3 is back on my radar and we are sending sexy emails. She clearly wants more sugar, and I clearly want penetration. No agreement yet. A perfect match? We shall see what happens when I next try to see her which will be next month.
Richmond Mas
04-06-11, 13:16
She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.CH, I personally would rather have a SB=fresh pussy than a BP pro. I was looking at the SB site and found that you have to invest a lot of time in these things. With an escort you call pay and bang that's it. With the sugar babies, one have to wine and dine these babies. I don't really know. I am big, fat and not the best looking guy around may be even boring. What is the chance that a real SB would pick me?
With Escort Benjamen does the trick. I might give it a try. I had several mails, but don't know enough to deal.
CH, I personally would rather have a SB=fresh pussy than a BP pro. I was looking at the SB site and found that you have to invest a lot of time in these things. With an escort you call pay and bang that's it. With the sugar babies, one have to wine and dine these babies. I don't really know. I am big, fat and not the best looking guy around may be even boring. What is the chance that a real SB would pick me?
With Escort Benjamen does the trick. I might give it a try. I had several mails, but don't know enough to deal. I agree CH's information is good to have. There are all kinds of girls on these sites.
RM, for sure it is more certain if you book a pro.
You say you are big and fat and how likely is it an sb will pick you. I don't know. The sb site lists over 600 girls within 25 miles of Richmond whose profile says they are ample, cuddly or very cuddly. Also, many of the girls who describe themselves as average are really overweight. So you could target heavy girls as one option. Another thing is that dating sbs is not like a regular date with wining and dining at least I haven't done it that way. Sometimes the girl wants to see you somewhere other than alone before she agrees to see you alone but that doesn't have to be wine and dine. It could be coffee at Burger King or even a parking lot. Or meet at a bar for a drink. I don't take them out on a date for a discussion. If they want I meet them briefly some place public so they can see what I look like but they understand that if they don't walk away we are going to go to a room to be alone and get it on.
A big difference with regular dating is that you both know the girl wants sugar and you both understand you aren't Prince Charming. Sex is a matter of whether she can stand you, not a matter of whether she would pick you out of a crowd.
So I don't think you have to be negative about the way you think you look etc. There's never any harm in trying. You might get lucky. With thousands of girls to choose from you probably will get lucky. If you want to improve the odds, target the heavy girls and see what happens. Or if you don't like the game with sbs and you want a more sure thing, go for the pros.
Just my views. No offense intended to anyone with different views.
Richmond Mas
04-07-11, 18:26
Things have been sort of quiet on the SB front but I have something I wanted to pass on. It's been mentioned how you really have to work at sorting through the SB's. Here's an example. I had been messaging back and forth with what seemed to be a very interesting prospect. Mid 20's. 5'7, and a nice body based on her pics. She gave me her number and asked me to call. In our conversation she proceeds to tell me about her recent divorce and she's only on the site because she needs financial help with her 5 year old son. She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.Cool, I joined a site suggarbabbies4you, but could do much they wanted me to join to view any profile. What is your recommendation. I know I got to pay to be in the game, but I do want to join a good site and not just any site.
New starting out on this sugarbabies thing. Any info is appreciated to get me started.
Things have been sort of quiet on the SB front but I have something I wanted to pass on. It's been mentioned how you really have to work at sorting through the SB's. Here's an example. I had been messaging back and forth with what seemed to be a very interesting prospect. Mid 20's. 5'7, and a nice body based on her pics. She gave me her number and asked me to call. In our conversation she proceeds to tell me about her recent divorce and she's only on the site because she needs financial help with her 5 year old son. She wants to have a dinner meeting so we can see if we will hit it off. After the call I decided to google the phone number and what should turn up; a BP ad. Not only a BP ad but the ad used the same pictures as she used on the SB site. Hell, she looked good enough that with a couple of good reviews I would have seen her as an escort. It's not only the men who misrepresent themselves on the SB / SD site.Everything she said could still be true. I know of one escort in my area who used the SD / SB approach to ease her way out of the 'business' but still have a way to support herself while getting her act together. But it's always good to investigate, it's interesting to see what can turn up.
Cool, I joined a site suggarbabbies4you, but could do much they wanted me to join to view any profile. What is your recommendation. I know I got to pay to be in the game, but I do want to join a good site and not just any site.
New starting out on this sugarbabies thing. Any info is appreciated to get me started.I joined the SugarDaddyforme site based on the information supplied by Literal2. I'm like you in that I was not prepared to join a number of sites so the only one I've joined is the SugarDaddy site. If you've read my post you know I'm not interested in a lot of wining and dining but want to get right to the heart of the matter. Since I don't live in Richmond I try not to have wasted trips. I had some success early but have kind of hit a dry spell. I have three I'm currently communicating with and hope to meet up with one of them next week.
Literal has posted some very good posts on how you can expect it to work. I have tried to give a honest assessment of my experiences on this forum but you'll see that the general consensus is it that it takes work. Only you can judge is the work worth it for you. For me the jury is still out but I'm still hanging in there. Good luck no matter which way you go.
Everything she said could still be true. I know of one escort in my area who used the SD / SB approach to ease her way out of the 'business' but still have a way to support herself while getting her act together. But it's always good to investigate, it's interesting to see what can turn up.I agree that it can be used as a way to transition out of the escort life and I actually thought of that as a possibility. I may have overreacted a bit because I found the BP ad after just hearing this tearful conversation about having to meet to make sure our "chemistry" was right. As I stated, if her pics were accurate, she was worth seeing as an escort. I'll give it some more thought and decide if I respond to the BP ad or the SB profile. Thanks for giving me another perspective. I love this forum!
SB12 is on deck for today. She says she is recently divorced with two kids. Claims to 39, and an artist or something. Says she only wants to have one SD. Her pix show a pretty dark haired woman with a nice body. I wonder how old they are. Anyway, I have a room and we will meet first at the bar nearby. She wants more than one session so she has committed to a second session Sunday. Originally she wanted too much commitment and too much allowance, paid monthly in advance. Her pitch was,"I'll see you each month as many times as you like." I told her no commitment and installments on the allowance which will only occur after I penetrate her vagina. If I have a problem with her later I don't think it will be with penetration, but with clinging.
Tomorrow it's back to my atf sb 27-year old sb4 for what will be the last time. She has the best ass. I will try to get a pic and post it. She really squirms around and moans loudly before she cums. I like that.
Saturday it's sb9 again, my elegantly dressed amateur artist / student / receptionist. Tall and curvy she will have a weight problem later if she doesn't watch the booze. She says she's 27 but I think probably 30 or so. She loves to have something in her mouth when she cums, like my dick or my tongue. During the build-up she doesn't squirm at all, her body just gets more and more rigid until she gasps quietly and releases. I like that too.
So I think it should be an active weekend coming up with about four pops in three girls.
I know, multiple pops are supposed to be in one session. I can't do that anymore.
SB12 is on deck for today. She says she is recently divorced with two kids. Claims to 39, and an artist or something. Says she only wants to have one SD. Her pix show a pretty dark haired woman with a nice body. I wonder how old they are. Anyway, I have a room and we will meet first at the bar nearby. She wants more than one session so she has committed to a second session Sunday. Originally she wanted too much commitment and too much allowance, paid monthly in advance. Her pitch was,"I'll see you each month as many times as you like." I told her no commitment and installments on the allowance which will only occur after I penetrate her vagina. If I have a problem with her later I don't think it will be with penetration, but with clinging.
Tomorrow it's back to my atf sb 27-year old sb4 for what will be the last time. She has the best ass. I will try to get a pic and post it. She really squirms around and moans loudly before she cums. I like that.
Saturday it's sb9 again, my elegantly dressed amateur artist / student / receptionist. Tall and curvy she will have a weight problem later if she doesn't watch the booze. She says she's 27 but I think probably 30 or so. She loves to have something in her mouth when she cums, like my dick or my tongue. During the build-up she doesn't squirm at all, her body just gets more and more rigid until she gasps quietly and releases. I like that too.
So I think it should be an active weekend coming up with about four pops in three girls.
I know, multiple pops are supposed to be in one session. I can't do that anymore. I'm curious how you handle it on a first meeting when a potential SB doesn't look like her photos? Do you simply say "we're not a good fit" and walk away or do you continue to see if she might have other redeeming features? It depends for me, but the one time I continued after 'bad' photos I regretted it. I met a potential SB 3 weekends ago. Her pictures were probably 10 years old and she hadn't aged well. We sat and chatted a while. She asked if I wanted to continue and I wished her luck, told her I didn't think we could work, left her a small amount of sugar and left.
Why will it be your last time with SB4? Feel free to send her my way LOL.
SB9 sounds like fun too.
Good luck with your weekend! I've got 2 girls lined up myself, but of course, both require travel and they're in opposite directions. Both of them are college students. I've met one of them before and I'm breaking my own rule about not seeing her again since there was nothing more than dinner the first time.
I'm curious how you handle it on a first meeting when a potential SB doesn't look like her photos? Do you simply say "we're not a good fit" and walk away or do you continue to see if she might have other redeeming features? Unfortunately Mr Johnson has more to say about this than I do. I've met with lots of escorts who don't look like their photos and Johnson usually proceeds anyway. Not all the time. I've sent some away before he could get involved.
With sb's it's only happened twice. A few months ago, back to back heavy girls. I fucked one of them and she was actually pretty good, very passionate, shy, all the psychological stuff I really like. Her body was big but it was firm, which made a difference. I walked out on the other without fucking her but I took some pix so I gave her sugar for those. Actually, Mr Johnson was beginning to get involved when a bunch of workmen showed up banging on the girl's door so I got out just in time. Since then I've been more careful about photos.
If sb12 doesn't look like her photos, or has aged a lot, or is much heavier, I'd like to say I'll walk out. But it will depend on what Johnson wants to do I guess.
Sounds like you have good discipline, Spit. I wish mine were better.
CantWinLosin
04-14-11, 20:10
Exchanged texts yesterday with a 30yr-old from Newport News from the site (seriously hot petite blonde with major ta-tas. I suspect she's a pro or semi-pro) and set up an initial meet for tonight at a restaurant she knew. Thought we had a firm appointment, and had to be there anyway, so headed there at the appointed time. About 10 minutes before the appointed time, I got a text that she hadn't heard from me. Since I was driving I couldn't respond immediately, but when I got to a light about 10 minutes later I responded that was on my way and would be there in a minute. We were meeting at a place I'd never been before, and when I got to the address (a major intersection with stripmalls on all sides) I circled thru all the malls and couldn't find the place she had named, so I texted that I couldn't find the place and please call or text details. No response, so I called and got voicemail, left a msg, and waited. After about 10 minutes, I texted again. 20 minutes later, I got "I didn't here (sic) From you so I didn't know to meet you". Shit. So I txted no problem, sorry for the confusion, I thought we had confirmed last night, did you still want to meet or re-schedule? After another 10 minutes and not hearing anything, I headed home. An hour and a half later, still no response.
So much for her.
Exchanged texts yesterday with a 30yr-old from Newport News from the site (seriously hot petite blonde with major ta-tas. I suspect she's a pro or semi-pro) and set up an initial meet for tonight at a restaurant she knew. Thought we had a firm appointment, and had to be there anyway, so headed there at the appointed time. About 10 minutes before the appointed time, I got a text that she hadn't heard from me. Since I was driving I couldn't respond immediately, but when I got to a light about 10 minutes later I responded that was on my way and would be there in a minute. We were meeting at a place I'd never been before, and when I got to the address (a major intersection with stripmalls on all sides) I circled thru all the malls and couldn't find the place she had named, so I texted that I couldn't find the place and please call or text details. No response, so I called and got voicemail, left a msg, and waited. After about 10 minutes, I texted again. 20 minutes later, I got "I didn't here (sic) From you so I didn't know to meet you". Shit. So I txted no problem, sorry for the confusion, I thought we had confirmed last night, did you still want to meet or re-schedule? After another 10 minutes and not hearing anything, I headed home. An hour and a half later, still no response.
So much for her. It's aggravating to weed through the flakes, time wasters and the 'do I really want to do this' types. I always try to call or text the day before and then follow up before I hit the road to confirm since I have to travel to most of the women I meet. It's not an easy road, but every once in a while there's a reward at the end.
After emailing this lady six weeks ago or so I called it quits because of her unreasonable demands. She was actually a no show at a get acquainted meet the day I got the flat tire driving back from SB4. A few days ago I got back in touch with her, how are you doing, etc. She wanted to meet, fewer demands. It was supposed to be in a hotel bar. She actually arrived early and came straight to the room.
She's at least 39, as she said. But she is in very good shape. Beautiful ta ta's (professionally enhanced). Silky long dark hair. Slim waist, nice heart shaped ass (though a bit soft). Stretch marks show her age (like the photo of Christie I posed in another thread, very similar in appearance) and she has some flexibility issues in her joints. She looks like Minnie Driver the actress, if you remember her: dark eyes, wide mouth. A first for me: she has a stud in her clit hood. I played with it until she came and fucked her several different ways. All good.
But here's an interesting thing. She said she hadn't had sex for a while though she's been trying. She told me one dude on the sb / sd site said he was 49, promised to send a limo to drive her to him, the limo didn't show, he called to say he had problems with his private jet. She googled his digits, the guy's facebook shows he's a college student.
She said another dude gave her a bank check, she went to cash it at a bank and the check was counterfeit. She nearly got arrested.
So I guess its not just girls who are unreliable on these sites.
I'm glad I was patient with this sb. The weekend has begun well and I have a new filly in the stable if I want her.
After emailing this lady six weeks ago or so I called it quits because of her unreasonable demands. She was actually a no show at a get acquainted meet the day I got the flat tire driving back from SB4. A few days ago I got back in touch with her, how are you doing, etc. She wanted to meet, fewer demands. It was supposed to be in a hotel bar. She actually arrived early and came straight to the room.
She's at least 39, as she said. But she is in very good shape. Beautiful ta ta's (professionally enhanced). Silky long dark hair. Slim waist, nice heart shaped ass (though a bit soft). Stretch marks show her age (like the photo of Christie I posed in another thread, very similar in appearance) and she has some flexibility issues in her joints. She looks like Minnie Driver the actress, if you remember her: dark eyes, wide mouth. A first for me: she has a stud in her clit hood. I played with it until she came and fucked her several different ways. All good.
But here's an interesting thing. She said she hadn't had sex for a while though she's been trying. She told me one dude on the sb / sd site said he was 49, promised to send a limo to drive her to him, the limo didn't show, he called to say he had problems with his private jet. She googled his digits, the guy's facebook shows he's a college student.
She said another dude gave her a bank check, she went to cash it at a bank and the check was counterfeit. She nearly got arrested.
So I guess its not just girls who are unreliable on these sites.
I'm glad I was patient with this sb. The weekend has begun well and I have a new filly in the stable if I want her. Glad it went well, sometimes patience pays off. My lack of patience gets worse as I get older LOL. Let us know how it goes with SB4 and SB9
ATF SB4 opened her pussy for me again today. God I love that girl, I mean I love her body. I think I sucked her clit for a half hour while she sucked my dick. SB9 and SB12 both sent emails today confirming they will fuck on schedule tomorrow and the next day.
I'm going to take your advice on CSB1 and totally back off for awhile. I'll see if she contacts me. Cool, you were very disciplined with these ladies and I wonder if you ever loop back? I find there is something about the male-female relationship that makes girls want to say no from time to time, even if they really truly want to get laid. Usually you see this on first approach. I always expect a girl to say no the first time I ask her to be alone with me, and once she does I figure some of the pressure is off her. Then you can wait awhile and loop back. Second or third time around, she's already proved to herself she's not a prostitute because she said no before. So she can psychologically be more accepting of penetration. This may be especialy true of sb's who may be considered pro's by some but most of them don't think of themselves that way.
Now somebody who has already spread her legs for you is past that point in her mind. It could be that you just don't click with her anymore and that happens to all of us. But it could be some other dude is offering her more or is more likely to turn into a husband, you just can't tell. But I'm just wondering if you loop back.
Good luck with your weekend! I've got 2 girls lined up myself, but of course, both require travel and they're in opposite directions. Both of them are college students. I've met one of them before and I'm breaking my own rule about not seeing her again since there was nothing more than dinner the first time.Good luck to you too, Spit. Two college girls, damn. That sounds tasty.
Can I ask a question. With the girl you saw once before, what is / was your strategy for moving to penetration? Are you meeting alone this time? I remember with SB2 after a get acquainted session over cokes she emailed me saying she'd had a nice time. I replied,"So did I Sweetie, but the next time I see ya we're going to be alone and I'm going to touch ya." She said something ambiguous in response, like "I hear you," but when I got to her house she was dressed in sweatpants with no underwear and when I slipped my hand in them her pussy was boiling liquid. She turned into a squirter. I think it was the delay and her anticipation that caused her to get so hot and she knew what I was going to do to her before I arrived.
Good luck to you too, Spit. Two college girls, damn. That sounds tasty.
Can I ask a question. With the girl you saw once before, what is / was your strategy for moving to penetration? Are you meeting alone this time? I remember with SB2 after a get acquainted session over cokes she emailed me saying she'd had a nice time. I replied,"So did I Sweetie, but the next time I see ya we're going to be alone and I'm going to touch ya." She said something ambiguous in response, like "I hear you," but when I got to her house she was dressed in sweatpants with no underwear and when I slipped my hand in them her pussy was boiling liquid. She turned into a squirter. I think it was the delay and her anticipation that caused her to get so hot and she knew what I was going to do to her before I arrived. We've had discussions where I told her that I was looking for more and to make sure she's ok with that aspect of it before meeting me again. We're meeting alone this time, first to dinner then back to my hotel. I plan to have 2 envelopes ready. I'll tell her one is for dinner and goodbye and the second, much larger envelope is for serving me dessert. It will be up to her if she goes home with both envelopes or only one.
But this is her second, and final, chance to get things right.
Last night, I met my first of 2 college girls I have lined up this weekend. Not my first SB experience, but since it's the first official report on this forum, I'll call her SSB1.
As it turns out, the 'college' part was a bit of exaggeration on her part. She works at a Hooters restaurant and takes an occasional class at a community college. But she's still young, attractive and has a toned body. We met up for dinner and had nice conversation getting to know each other beyond what we had already discussed via email. She seems to be sort of a free spirit and not really sure what she wants out of life yet. But anyway, we had dinner, some laughs and proceeded back to my hotel where things progressed nicely. I'll definitely see her again.
Now it's off for a 5 hour drive in the opposite direction to meet the other young lady; hopefully it will be much smoother than the first time we met.
Last night, I met my first of 2 college girls I have lined up this weekend. Not my first SB experience, but since it's the first official report on this forum, I'll call her SSB1.
As it turns out, the 'college' part was a bit of exaggeration on her part. She works at a Hooters restaurant and takes an occasional class at a community college. But she's still young, attractive and has a toned body. We met up for dinner and had nice conversation getting to know each other beyond what we had already discussed via email. She seems to be sort of a free spirit and not really sure what she wants out of life yet. But anyway, we had dinner, some laughs and proceeded back to my hotel where things progressed nicely. I'll definitely see her again.
Now it's off for a 5 hour drive in the opposite direction to meet the other young lady; hopefully it will be much smoother than the first time we met. Now that sounds like a great evening. Think of all the Hooters customers who see her every day who wish they could get into her pants, but you're the one who found the key. Nice.
We've had discussions where I told her that I was looking for more and to make sure she's ok with that aspect of it before meeting me again. We're meeting alone this time, first to dinner then back to my hotel. I plan to have 2 envelopes ready. I'll tell her one is for dinner and goodbye and the second, much larger envelope is for serving me dessert. It will be up to her if she goes home with both envelopes or only one.
But this is her second, and final, chance to get things right. I'll be interested to hear how this works out. I'd worry that presenting the two envelopes would make her confront herself and what she is doing too directly so she would chicken out. If I got her as far as the room I think I'd just touch her hair, then her back, etc. Etc. Allowance would discreetly be delivered at the end of the meet. But maybe she's a negotiator and wants everything spelled out. Often that's what a really hot girl does. Either way, man, good luck. Five hour drive, whoa. You sound as crazy for pussy as I am.
I'll be interested to hear how this works out. I'd worry that presenting the two envelopes would make her confront herself and what she is doing too directly so she would chicken out. If I got her as far as the room I think I'd just touch her hair, then her back, etc. Etc. Allowance would discreetly be delivered at the end of the meet. But maybe she's a negotiator and wants everything spelled out. Often that's what a really hot girl does. Either way, man, good luck. Five hour drive, whoa. You sound as crazy for pussy as I am.We'll never know how it would have worked, she never showed up. A wasted trip.
We'll never know how it would have worked, she never showed up. A wasted trip.Bummer. I'm sorry for you, man.
SB9 showed up at my hotel, right on time. She insists she's 28, so I believe her. She asked me my age and I told her the truth. She seemed surprised but didn't freak out. She claims I'm the only one she's fucking. Like SB12, she has horror stories about weirdo guys she's met on the sb website. For some reason she begged me during intercourse to fuck her especially hard today."Please, please, fuck me hard, fuck me hard," is what she said. I think it soothes her anxieties or something to have my dick tear up her pussy. Anyway I made her cum twice just to show her who's boss.
Cool, you were very disciplined with these ladies and I wonder if you ever loop back? I find there is something about the male-female relationship that makes girls want to say no from time to time, even if they really truly want to get laid. Usually you see this on first approach. I always expect a girl to say no the first time I ask her to be alone with me, and once she does I figure some of the pressure is off her. Then you can wait awhile and loop back. Second or third time around, she's already proved to herself she's not a prostitute because she said no before. So she can psychologically be more accepting of penetration. This may be especialy true of sb's who may be considered pro's by some but most of them don't think of themselves that way.
Now somebody who has already spread her legs for you is past that point in her mind. It could be that you just don't click with her anymore and that happens to all of us. But it could be some other dude is offering her more or is more likely to turn into a husband, you just can't tell. But I'm just wondering if you loop back. First post as a Senior Member.
I had been considering trying CSB1 again as you suggest. What's been holding me back is the potential of wasting a pass from the Warden. They take some setup to acquire and if I cancel in less than 24 hours it has the potential of making them harder to acquire. With the luck (all bad) that I've been having in setting up new SB's, I may take the risk.
SB9 showed up at my hotel, right on time. She insists she's 28, so I believe her. She asked me my age and I told her the truth. She seemed surprised but didn't freak out. She claims I'm the only one she's fucking. Like SB12, she has horror stories about weirdo guys she's met on the sb website. For some reason she begged me during intercourse to fuck her especially hard today."Please, please, fuck me hard, fuck me hard," is what she said. I think it soothes her anxieties or something to have my dick tear up her pussy. Anyway I made her cum twice just to show her who's boss.I've said it before and I'll say it again: "YOU THE MAN." I want to know what you eat for breakfast.
There has been a discovery (at least for me) that I have made as a result of SB no-shows. That is the small town provider. Not a provider that lives in a small town who tours, but a women who supplements her income by escorting. This is not unlike what the SB does. I have had two such experiences in the last month. One was a early thirties 5'7 spinner type with great skills. The other was a 22 yr old coed. 5'8, breasts to die for, toned, with gorgeous long hair and super tight.
There were a couple of common traits. Just by the fact of where they live I would be shocked if they had three dates a week, not multiple per day. The definition of low volume. Time did not seem to be a issue at all. I spent almost three hours with the coed and all but about 15 minutes was spent with me between her legs or she between mine (or both.) She too had great skills. Both women were highly orgasmic and the coed came so much I thought I was going to have to get a towel. I believe they aim to please because they need repeat customers. New ones are not coming along everyday. I will definitely see both again.
From a financial stand point it was pretty much the same as with a SB. The envelope was the same as I have provided (or intended to provide) SB's. I had to get a room because neither could host and did not provide in-call. That too was a cost I expected to pay with potential SB's. This may just be the same as the semi-pro SB but it had a different feel to it. I'm not giving up on the SB's but it seems to be a potential middle ground with out all the work that SB's take.
SB12 showed up on time wearing a cute sun dress, hair all shiny and clean, She said she'd been up and down all night worrying whether the alarm clock would go off for our early morning session. During our many prefuck emails over more than a month she repeatedly said she didn't want to fuck more than one guy. She's 39 and recently divorced. She said our first session was the first sex she'd had in months. Her body is tan, smooth and slim but of course not as firm as the 27-28 year olds. But I'll tell you this, she knows how to make a man cum. I've told her I'm not a long term deal and she says she is ok with that.
There has been a discovery (at least for me) that I have made as a result of SB no-shows. That is the small town provider. Not a provider that lives in a small town who tours, but a women who supplements her income by escorting. This is not unlike what the SB does. I have had two such experiences in the last month. One was a early thirties 5'7 spinner type with great skills. The other was a 22 yr old coed. 5'8, breasts to die for, toned, with gorgeous long hair and super tight.
There were a couple of common traits. Just by the fact of where they live I would be shocked if they had three dates a week, not multiple per day. The definition of low volume. Time did not seem to be a issue at all. I spent almost three hours with the coed and all but about 15 minutes was spent with me between her legs or she between mine (or both.) She too had great skills. Both women were highly orgasmic and the coed came so much I thought I was going to have to get a towel. I believe they aim to please because they need repeat customers. New ones are not coming along everyday. I will definitely see both again.
From a financial stand point it was pretty much the same as with a SB. The envelope was the same as I have provided (or intended to provide) SB's. I had to get a room because neither could host and did not provide in-call. That too was a cost I expected to pay with potential SB's. This may just be the same as the semi-pro SB but it had a different feel to it. I'm not giving up on the SB's but it seems to be a potential middle ground with out all the work that SB's take. This is interesting. The only small town sb's I've checked out have been dogs. Way too skinny or way too fat or way too old. Dumb as rocks. Probably I've had bad luck, they can't all be like that. Maybe it's different with small town escorts. If you care to say, Cool, how would you suggest finding these honeys?
CantWinLosin
04-17-11, 12:58
I second Literal's request about how to find the small-town escorts. That would be great knowledge to have. PM if you prefer. Thanks!
I'm finding that it's hard to get ladies to respond on SD4Me. I'm honest about my age and stats so that may be part of it, but I think a fair number don't really know what they want. All of the SB's that I had success with, I found on CL before they got rid of the "adult jobs" section. Sigh.
I've had a few no-show sbs and plenty of cases where girls say, sure, let's meet and then they disappear. In talking to a lot of girls I've met up with from the sb site they all tell me they are absolutely swamped with emails from guys. A young girl with pretty photos can barely keep up with the email traffic. As soon as she gets to the end of her inbox, it fills up again in a matter of hours.
This means (unless your profile shows you are young, rich and handsome) you have to get lucky just to get a conversation going with an sb. It also means that even after a sb has agreed to see you, she is still being bombarded by emails from guys who are your competition. If you have told her the kind of sugar she could get with you, some guy may come along five minutes after she's agreed to see you and offer more. I believe this is one cause of no-shows.
Many of the girls, when they start off as an sb, really believe they are looking to find someone who wants a long term mistress and who will provide them with a serious amount of support. I think the youngest sbs (all over 18 of course) are most likely to believe this. When they realize thats not the direction they are going, they pull back.
Another reason for no-shows is the girls are paranoid about meeting weirdos. If they are young, any guy much older than them is already half way to being a weirdo.
Many girls have had bad experiences with guys who aren't serious and who try to cheat them or abuse them. So they are very nervous about meeting anyone the first time.
So they are constantly evaluating: is this enough money? Is this guy too weird? Am I becoming a prostitute?
Escorts will also refuse to see a guy they think is too weird, but they see lots of guys and may have a higher tolerance. Escorts also state their own price, so if you meet it, price shouldn't be an issue. SB's are more or less running an auction. Unlike escorts, they don't worry about their business reputation.
These aren't the only reasons for the no-shows and all the hassle some guys get from sb's but I think they're some of the reasons.
Just my opinion.
Richmond Mas
04-18-11, 19:28
I've had a few no-show sbs and plenty of cases where girls say, sure, let's meet and then they disappear. In talking to a lot of girls I've met up with from the sb site they all tell me they are absolutely swamped with emails from guys. A young girl with pretty photos can barely keep up with the email traffic. As soon as she gets to the end of her inbox, it fills up again in a matter of hours.
Well, I gave it a try for 3 weeks now and no luck. Only got one bite from Alexandra and she is a little too thick for my type. I read all these reviews here and wonder what it would take to get lucky one time. Most of the SB who replied are from different States and it's too far to travel. What's the deal with that?
Well, I gave it a try for 3 weeks now and no luck. Only got one bite from Alexandra and she is a little too thick for my type. I read all these reviews here and wonder what it would take to get lucky one time. Most of the SB who replied are from different States and it's too far to travel. What's the deal with that?I've been on the SB kick for over 3 years now and it's hard work but when you find a good one for a long-term it makes it worth it. At least to me.
Richmond Mas
04-18-11, 23:30
I've been on the SB kick for over 3 years now and it's hard work but when you find a good one for a long-term it makes it worth it. At least to me.Spit, It's a long time to be in the game. My hat to you. I guess 3 week is definably not enough time to judge. My problem is that I just want to be in and out. I think with the SB you have to really work it such as "spoil" the SB etc.
I got this reply and she just wanted some help with the bills. I don't know if she mean monthly or just one shot. I will keep on looking. I see my chance is very slim.
CantWinLosin
04-18-11, 23:49
SB1 that flaked on me last week contacted me back asking for another shot, so I gave it to her. As I suspected, she's a semi-pro -- a stripper just moved back to the area after several years out of state, working at a dive club near Ft. Useless and trying to line up 2 or 3 SDs to keep her going. I don't like strippers for SBs as a rule, as they tend to be more trouble than they're worth; she's flakey, drinks way too much, has too much of the sex-trade air about her and I suspect she's going to be either clingy or hard to get with depending on how many other guys she lines up. And while I can't afford to give a girl enough to demand or expect exclusivity, I would much prefer that I'm the only one she's seeing. But I appreciated her honesty, and she has a smokin' bod topped by a quite pretty face, her skills are great, she's responsive and sensitive, and (critical!) she's clean. We met for a chat and brief eats, then went back to her place for a nice hour. I'll see if she can live with my schedule -- I suspect we'll be at crossed paths too much.
This is interesting. The only small town sb's I've checked out have been dogs. Way too skinny or way too fat or way too old. Dumb as rocks. Probably I've had bad luck, they can't all be like that. Maybe it's different with small town escorts. If you care to say, Cool, how would you suggest finding these honeys?
I second Literal's request about how to find the small-town escorts. That would be great knowledge to have. PM if you prefer. Thanks! In both cases they came off escort boards. One was from e. Com, the other from avenue-x. I had set up the trips to meet with SB's in their area and I did not want the trips to go to waste (see previous comments on warden restrictions.) I had seen both for a while on their respective boards so I contacted them based on that. It was only in hindsight that I realized the similarities that I noted in my post. I believe the key is that neither toured and only did outcall. No incall means less chance of a production line and leads to my assumption of low volume. It could just be karma paying me back for the bad luck I've had lately with SB's.
I've had a few no-show sbs and plenty of cases where girls say, sure, let's meet and then they disappear. In talking to a lot of girls I've met up with from the sb site they all tell me they are absolutely swamped with emails from guys. A young girl with pretty photos can barely keep up with the email traffic. As soon as she gets to the end of her inbox, it fills up again in a matter of hours.
This means (unless your profile shows you are young, rich and handsome) you have to get lucky just to get a conversation going with an sb. It also means that even after a sb has agreed to see you, she is still being bombarded by emails from guys who are your competition. If you have told her the kind of sugar she could get with you, some guy may come along five minutes after she's agreed to see you and offer more. I believe this is one cause of no-shows.
Many of the girls, when they start off as an sb, really believe they are looking to find someone who wants a long term mistress and who will provide them with a serious amount of support. I think the youngest sbs (all over 18 of course) are most likely to believe this. When they realize thats not the direction they are going, they pull back.
Another reason for no-shows is the girls are paranoid about meeting weirdos. If they are young, any guy much older than them is already half way to being a weirdo.
Many girls have had bad experiences with guys who aren't serious and who try to cheat them or abuse them. So they are very nervous about meeting anyone the first time.
So they are constantly evaluating: is this enough money? Is this guy too weird? Am I becoming a prostitute?
Escorts will also refuse to see a guy they think is too weird, but they see lots of guys and may have a higher tolerance. Escorts also state their own price, so if you meet it, price shouldn't be an issue. SB's are more or less running an auction. Unlike escorts, they don't worry about their business reputation.
These aren't the only reasons for the no-shows and all the hassle some guys get from sb's but I think they're some of the reasons.
Just my opinion. Literal, I agree with everything stated in your post. I realize that someone can come along and offer more. My position is if we've come to a agreement on the amount of sugar, I don't want to get into a bidding war. If they are truly amateurs, I know this can be a big bridge to cross. The fact that they start over the bridge doesn't mean they'll make it all the way.
I contend that it is less weird for an older guy to use this method to be with younger women then a much younger man. When you were 30 and had the means to provide the sugar, would you be using the SB site. I don't think so. To me, any 30 year old male who does, is the weirdo. That's not to say there aren't old weirdos, but the 30 year old by definition is weird.
I'm probably more sensitive to the no-show issue because of my travel situation. Not the 5 hour drive that Spitfire made but at least 2. There are some SB's in my local area but I don't want the risk of running into them at the mall afterward. There's one local one who messages me about every five days but I continue to ignore her. At least I don't make a date and then don't show up.
My last no-show (21 year old, looks 15) has now apologized and says she wants to meet. I won't be able to til mid next week at the earliest, which leaves lots of room for shit to happen between now and then.
Lit, I'm curious, what age do you have on your SD profile?
I've been on the SB kick for over 3 years now and it's hard work but when you find a good one for a long-term it makes it worth it. At least to me.Maybe I should stop complaining.
Well, I gave it a try for 3 weeks now and no luck. Only got one bite from Alexandra and she is a little too thick for my type. I read all these reviews here and wonder what it would take to get lucky one time. Most of the SB who replied are from different States and it's too far to travel. What's the deal with that?When I go online on the sb website I get emails from out of state girls too. I think they are just trolling, hoping to get lucky and find a big spender. Some of them want a little sex chat. I ignore most of them. I think the best method is to browse for girls within driving distance. Then write up a good paragraph that will be mass email but doesn't sound like mass email and send it out to a bunch of girls. You'll get some replies if you send enough emails. Wait a few days to see if you are getting anywhere with some of them. If not, do it again. The better your profile and your email skills, the better results you will get. Anyway thats what I think.
SB1 that flaked on me last week contacted me back asking for another shot, so I gave it to her. As I suspected, she's a semi-pro -- a stripper just moved back to the area after several years out of state, working at a dive club near Ft. Useless and trying to line up 2 or 3 SDs to keep her going. I don't like strippers for SBs as a rule, as they tend to be more trouble than they're worth; she's flakey, drinks way too much, has too much of the sex-trade air about her and I suspect she's going to be either clingy or hard to get with depending on how many other guys she lines up. And while I can't afford to give a girl enough to demand or expect exclusivity, I would much prefer that I'm the only one she's seeing. But I appreciated her honesty, and she has a smokin' bod topped by a quite pretty face, her skills are great, she's responsive and sensitive, and (critical!) she's clean. We met for a chat and brief eats, then went back to her place for a nice hour. I'll see if she can live with my schedule -- I suspect we'll be at crossed paths too much.Sounds like you have someone to keep you interested until a better one comes along.
In both cases they came off escort boards. One was from e. Com, the other from avenue-x. I had set up the trips to meet with SB's in their area and I did not want the trips to go to waste (see previous comments on warden restrictions.) I had seen both for a while on their respective boards so I contacted them based on that. It was only in hindsight that I realized the similarities that I noted in my post. I believe the key is that neither toured and only did outcall. No incall means less chance of a production line and leads to my assumption of low volume. It could just be karma paying me back for the bad luck I've had lately with SB's.Thanks for sharing your information. You may be right about those girls.
I contend that it is less weird for an older guy to use this method to be with younger women then a much younger man. When you were 30 and had the means to provide the sugar, would you be using the SB site. I don't think so. To me, any 30 year old male who does, is the weirdo. That's not to say there aren't old weirdos, but the 30 year old by definition is weird.You got that right. I've never had so much pussy in my life but I wouldn't have paid for it when I was 30.
My last no-show (21 year old, looks 15) has now apologized and says she wants to meet. I won't be able to til mid next week at the earliest, which leaves lots of room for shit to happen between now and then..Good luck.
Lit, I'm curious, what age do you have on your SD profile?Mid-fifties (I'm really mid-sixties). My photos in my private gallery are real and recent. A lot of girls don't bother to reply to me after they look at them.
I've been on the SB kick for over 3 years now and it's hard work but when you find a good one for a long-term it makes it worth it. At least to me.I agree with that, plus while you're searching for the long term good one and getting hassled by no-show flakes you can enjoy the occasional Hooters girl that falls into your lap, like you did last weekend.
Spit, It's a long time to be in the game. My hat to you. I guess 3 week is definably not enough time to judge. My problem is that I just want to be in and out. I think with the SB you have to really work it such as "spoil" the SB etc.
I got this reply and she just wanted some help with the bills. I don't know if she mean monthly or just one shot. I will keep on looking. I see my chance is very slim. Everyone has something different that they're looking for in this game. Me, I'm in it to find a long term mistress type deal. The first SB I ever met when I started has become the gold standard for me. She was a college student at a local university, smart, funny, pretty and turned on by the age difference. She always joked that her friends told her she had an old-man fetish. We lasted for nearly a year and a half before she graduated and moved away. We still exchange emails every now and then. That's why I'm still in this game, chasing after that same great experience. But until I do, I'll fill my time with short-termers or one-timers.
When I go online on the sb website I get emails from out of state girls too. I think they are just trolling, hoping to get lucky and find a big spender. Some of them want a little sex chat. I ignore most of them. I think the best method is to browse for girls within driving distance. Then write up a good paragraph that will be mass email but doesn't sound like mass email and send it out to a bunch of girls. You'll get some replies if you send enough emails. Wait a few days to see if you are getting anywhere with some of them. If not, do it again. The better your profile and your email skills, the better results you will get. Anyway thats what I think.I do the same thing, I have a generic email I use, but I add something specific about that person so it doesn't sound generic. For instance if their ad says they are a single mom, I might add a sentence saying I understand how tough it is being a single mom.
I'm probably more sensitive to the no-show issue because of my travel situation. Not the 5 hour drive that Spitfire made but at least 2. There are some SB's in my local area but I don't want the risk of running into them at the mall afterward. There's one local one who messages me about every five days but I continue to ignore her. At least I don't make a date and then don't show up.
My last no-show (21 year old, looks 15) has now apologized and says she wants to meet. I won't be able to til mid next week at the earliest, which leaves lots of room for shit to happen between now and then. I'm with you on the no-show issue. My travel situation is similar. The 5 hour drive I made over the weekend is unusual. I had 2 meetings lined up, but they were in opposite directions. The first one I had to drive 2 hours one way, then the next day turn around and drive the opposite direction. So it made it much longer than it would normally be. I don't think I could deal with travel long term as my work keeps me busy and I'd rather not spend all of my free time on the road. Especially for no joy at the end.
In both cases they came off escort boards. One was from e. Com, the other from avenue-x. I had set up the trips to meet with SB's in their area and I did not want the trips to go to waste (see previous comments on warden restrictions.) I had seen both for a while on their respective boards so I contacted them based on that. It was only in hindsight that I realized the similarities that I noted in my post. I believe the key is that neither toured and only did outcall. No incall means less chance of a production line and leads to my assumption of low volume. It could just be karma paying me back for the bad luck I've had lately with SB's.Did you make firm appointments with these ladies or just keep them in mind as a backup?
Everyone has something different that they're looking for in this game. Me, I'm in it to find a long term mistress type deal. The first SB I ever met when I started has become the gold standard for me. She was a college student at a local university, smart, funny, pretty and turned on by the age difference. She always joked that her friends told her she had an old-man fetish. We lasted for nearly a year and a half before she graduated and moved away. We still exchange emails every now and then. That's why I'm still in this game, chasing after that same great experience. But until I do, I'll fill my time with short-termers or one-timers.Well you obviously have a lot more experience at this sb game than I do. I feel kind of presumptuous for commenting on your technique.
We are definitely looking for different kinds of pussy. The last thing I want is a long term mistress. My ideal is a constantly changing reliable stable of sbs I can have whenever I want, like a harem. But a lot of the sb girls want to be a long term mistress. I bet you find what you're looking for.
Well you obviously have a lot more experience at this sb game than I do. I feel kind of presumptuous for commenting on your technique.
We are definitely looking for different kinds of pussy. The last thing I want is a long term mistress. My ideal is a constantly changing reliable stable of sbs I can have whenever I want, like a harem. But a lot of the sb girls want to be a long term mistress. I bet you find what you're looking for. No need to feel presumptuous! I'm always open to new ideas. I have a lot more strike outs than home runs, that's for certain. Besides, I'm not sure any one approach will work on any woman, so I tend to try different ways for each one. Anything to improve my batting average is welcome. .
Did you make firm appointments with these ladies or just keep them in mind as a backup?I had observed them on the sites but they weren't in my usual area. With the bad run of luck I had been having with SB's when I knew I would at least be in striking distance, I kept them in mind. When the SB no-shows materialized, I called and it was easy to make the appointment. The hardest thing was for me to get over my reluctance to get a room in my name. Once I had crossed the Rubicon the first time, the second was easy.
You got that right. I've never had so much pussy in my life but I wouldn't have paid for it when I was 30.
Mid-fifties (I'm really mid-sixties). My photos in my private gallery are real and recent. A lot of girls don't bother to reply to me after they look at them. That's just what I suspected, that at 30 the weird one is the guy on the SB site. When I was 30 I would have fell out laughing if anyone had suggested that I do such a thing. It makes me wonder what are these women thinking. The ones who are really nuts are the ones who sign up for the site looking for husbands. What are they thinking?
Age wise I'm in the exact same position as you. Mid sixties, look 50+. I had listed my age as 62 on the site but after reading your post I changed it to 55. I have not posted any pics, still to nervous about that. When asked I do give a accurate description of myself. Maybe that's something I'll have to rethink.
I've been on the SB kick for over 3 years now and it's hard work but when you find a good one for a long-term it makes it worth it. At least to me.The fact that you've hung in there for three years, even with all the work, gives me hope. My first two experiences were good, which is why I've kept plugging at it the last four months. Hopefully patience will have some tangible rewards.
I had a SB for 2 ½ years. She was the hottest woman I've ever been around, the smartest and the woman with the biggest heart. The lesser considerations, she frucked like a mink, most often cried after the 'O', particularly the second one and was only the second woman I have ever had, when her hips rocked, her puzzy “crawled” inside like a snake. I did not want more and fortunately for me she was 24 years younger and could make no assumptions. I was pretty sure she had others which didn't bother me. We got together monthly, enjoyed our time and I put a gift in her purse on the ride down the elevator. So she was a SB or she was an UTR escort. The last two times I noticed she wasn't able to stay as long, but that happened to me a couple of times also. Then it was getting to be about that time again and we were texting to arrange our next get together and the following day I saw her wedding mentioned on a girlfriends social network site. So that was the end of that. A husband creates a whole different risk. He's a lucky man, but on full time duty. I doubt I'll find another her.
Richmond Mas
04-21-11, 21:20
The fact that you've hung in there for three years, even with all the work, gives me hope. My first two experiences were good, which is why I've kept plugging at it the last four months. Hopefully patience will have some tangible rewards.My hat to all of you guys. Seems like I just cannot even get one bite.
My hat to all of you guys. Seems like I just cannot even get one bite.Stay positive, things will turn your way.
Has anyone had any luck with the Sugarbaby4U site. I signed up but have not paid. So far I've seen mainly out of state and what looks like TGTBT.
Has anyone had any luck with the Sugarbaby4U site. I signed up but have not paid. So far I've seen mainly out of state and what looks like TGTBT.I met 1 woman from that site, but most of my luck has been from seeking arrangement.
CantWinLosin
04-22-11, 08:13
Has anyone had any luck with the Sugarbaby4U site. I signed up but have not paid. So far I've seen mainly out of state and what looks like TGTBT.I've had zero luck there. All these sites "pad their rosters" with shills and / or profiles for non-existent people, but the site you mentioned does seem to be pretty blatant.
My best luck was on CL before they closed the "adult jobs" section. There are some SB types in the "casual encounters" section, but you have to do a LOT of weeding to find the real blades of grass. I re-wrote my profile on the SD4Me site and I'm finally getting some responses to emails, though not from the ones I would prefer. And I got my first actual rejection email last night, where someone I had written on the site replied to say no thanks. That's a rare one.
I've had zero luck there. All these sites "pad their rosters" with shills and / or profiles for non-existent people, but the site you mentioned does seem to be pretty blatant.
My best luck was on CL before they closed the "adult jobs" section. There are some SB types in the "casual encounters" section, but you have to do a LOT of weeding to find the real blades of grass. I re-wrote my profile on the SD4Me site and I'm finally getting some responses to emails, though not from the ones I would prefer. And I got my first actual rejection email last night, where someone I had written on the site replied to say no thanks. That's a rare one. Another thing that you'll notice the more you're in this game. When your subscription expires, within a day or 2 you'll get an email from someone with a profile that fits everything you're seeking. But since your subscription has expired, you can't contact them. So, you re-subscribe, email that person and never hear anything else. A 'fake' ad that I believe is created by the site itself. It's a tactic these sites use to keep you on the hook.
Age wise I'm in the exact same position as you. Mid sixties, look 50+. I had listed my age as 62 on the site but after reading your post I changed it to 55. I have not posted any pics, still to nervous about that. When asked I do give a accurate description of myself. Maybe that's something I'll have to rethink.If you're getting sbs to meet without showing your pic, you must be mighty persuasive.
I had a SB for 2 ½ years. She was the hottest woman I've ever been around, the smartest and the woman with the biggest heart. The lesser considerations, she frucked like a mink, most often cried after the 'O', particularly the second one and was only the second woman I have ever had, when her hips rocked, her puzzy “crawled” inside like a snake. I did not want more and fortunately for me she was 24 years younger and could make no assumptions. I was pretty sure she had others which didn't bother me. We got together monthly, enjoyed our time and I put a gift in her purse on the ride down the elevator. So she was a SB or she was an UTR escort. The last two times I noticed she wasn't able to stay as long, but that happened to me a couple of times also. Then it was getting to be about that time again and we were texting to arrange our next get together and the following day I saw her wedding mentioned on a girlfriends social network site. So that was the end of that. A husband creates a whole different risk. He's a lucky man, but on full time duty. I doubt I'll find another her.This has to be a classic story. You may not find another one like her, because it sounds like you were at least a little bit in love with this particular girl, but I believe a lot of the sbs on the website are looking for just this kind of relationship with an sd. It's not for me because I don't want to risk emotional involvement which would happen to me for sure in this kind of long term affair, but it sounds like it was great for you.
Stay positive, things will turn your way.I agree with this.
Has anyone had any luck with the Sugarbaby4U site. I signed up but have not paid. So far I've seen mainly out of state and what looks like TGTBT.I hadn't heard of this one before. Thanks.
I've had zero luck there. All these sites "pad their rosters" with shills and / or profiles for non-existent people, but the site you mentioned does seem to be pretty blatant.
My best luck was on CL before they closed the "adult jobs" section. There are some SB types in the "casual encounters" section, but you have to do a LOT of weeding to find the real blades of grass. I re-wrote my profile on the SD4Me site and I'm finally getting some responses to emails, though not from the ones I would prefer. And I got my first actual rejection email last night, where someone I had written on the site replied to say no thanks. That's a rare one. Often when they reject you without saying anything they just delete your email on the site. You can tell when they have read your email and when they haven't and you can tell when they have looked at your profile. You can also tell when they delete your email. If they delete it without reading it after they have looked at your profile, it's probably the worst response. I agree its rare to get an actual rejection email.
I should have made clear that I am only familiar with the email feautures of the sd4me site. I don't know if the other sites' email works the same way or not.
Richmond Mas
04-24-11, 20:59
Often when they reject you without saying anything they just delete your email on the site. You can tell when they have read your email and when they haven't and you can tell when they have looked at your profile. You can also tell when they delete your email. If they delete it without reading it after they have looked at your profile, it's probably the worst response. I agree its rare to get an actual rejection email.Lit, you are right. I joined this SB4U and all I received are mails from girl way further than the north pole. You know you will never meet anyone that far away anyway.
The ones that's close by never return emails. What the heck is that?
Lit, you are right. I joined this SB4U and all I received are mails from girl way further than the north pole. You know you will never meet anyone that far away anyway.
The ones that's close by never return emails. What the heck is that? The girls from far away are just hoping to find someone dumb enough to travel to see them or pay them to travel. For example, two bi-sexual girls in Russia told me they would come over for a week and make me happy if I just send them enough money to travel, put them up in a hotel or an apartment, feed them and give them a big allowance. Maybe they were just trying to trick me out of money and the girls didn't really exist, or maybe some guys are rich enough to bring them over for a visit. Not me.
As to the nearby girls that don't reply. It's like any other kind of picking up girls. You have to contact enough girls and make yourself attractive enough by your presentation (your profile and emails) to get them interested in talking to you. If they don't reply, keep changing your approach until they do.
Thats about the best I can do RM. Good luck.
I had a SB for 2 ½ years. She was the hottest woman I've ever been around, the smartest and the woman with the biggest heart. The lesser considerations, she frucked like a mink, most often cried after the 'O', particularly the second one and was only the second woman I have ever had, when her hips rocked, her puzzy “crawled” inside like a snake. I did not want more and fortunately for me she was 24 years younger and could make no assumptions. I was pretty sure she had others which didn't bother me. We got together monthly, enjoyed our time and I put a gift in her purse on the ride down the elevator. So she was a SB or she was an UTR escort. The last two times I noticed she wasn't able to stay as long, but that happened to me a couple of times also. Then it was getting to be about that time again and we were texting to arrange our next get together and the following day I saw her wedding mentioned on a girlfriends social network site. So that was the end of that. A husband creates a whole different risk. He's a lucky man, but on full time duty. I doubt I'll find another her.
This has to be a classic story. You may not find another one like her, because it sounds like you were at least a little bit in love with this particular girl, but I believe a lot of the sbs on the website are looking for just this kind of relationship with an sd. It's not for me because I don't want to risk emotional involvement which would happen to me for sure in this kind of long term affair, but it sounds like it was great for you.Lightning struck to find so many fine qualities in such a hot package. We met monthly for four hours. Half the time she came to me. Half the time I went to her. In the entire 2 ½ years every time was just like the first time. In love? Not on your life. If I were in love I would want to spend all my time with her. A woman around a lot, anyone around a lot, is not my thing. I have a reclusive side. I was always happy when it was time to return to our lives. I would not have fit into her life or she mine.
Gents.
I am not from your area but kept seeing the SB thread show up on the Front Page with posted comments.
So today I clicked onto the thread and began reading. Then I had to go back 3 pages to get the jist of the discussion, then back 6 or 8 pages. Fascinating discussions.
This has been the most interesting read. Glad you guys are having so much fun with the chase of the SB's and wish you much success in obtaining the desired prize. Again, great read!
Varoom
Lightning struck to find so many fine qualities in such a hot package. We met monthly for four hours. Half the time she came to me. Half the time I went to her. In the entire 2 ½ years every time was just like the first time. In love? Not on your life. If I were in love I would want to spend all my time with her. A woman around a lot, anyone around a lot, is not my thing. I have a reclusive side. I was always happy when it was time to return to our lives. I would not have fit into her life or she mine.You may be tougher than I am, Golf. I start to get involved with these girls if I see them more than a few times. What the sb / sd usasg sites have allowed me to do is to date-fuck more than one girl at a time which is what I seem to need to stay objective.
By the way, my personal belief is that the way to a woman's heart is through her vagina and if she allows you access a few times she is likely to get involved emotionally even if you don't.
Just my opinion.
Several mongers pm'd me about how I manage sb relationships. The more we share our experiences the more we will all learn. My responses to the questions may be different from others with just as much experience.
1. Do I use my real name with the babes?
No.
2. How do I handle paper trail at hotel?
I pay with a credit card that's billed online. Could this be accessed by a divorce lawyer or by leo? Probably. My focus is on avoiding legal proceedings in the first place. Several mongers recommend checking out with cash to avoid the credit card record. That may work. I wouldn't falsify a registration because I think that's illegal.
3. Do sb's try to get hooks into me and then up the ante?
One girl asked for more money each time we met. I just said sorry, no. I didn't make a big deal out of it and she didn't stop seeing me.
4. How do I disentangle from an sb?
I don't get entangled. I never let them think the relationship is anything other than temporary, even though its fun for both of us.
5. How much allowance, how often paid?
This varies a lot. I probably spend more on sb's than others (I'm lucky to be able to) because I want the girls to have a reason to want to see me instead of another guy. I can't compete with younger guys in some ways but I can in this way.
6. Do I worry an sb will rat me out to the warden?
Yes. The risk is real: a few years ago I saw a 23 year old beginner agency escort in Canada several times. I told her I was divorced. The sex got better and better but I failed to notice signs she'd started making plans for us. I kid you not. One night, she figured out how to find me and called me at home, to surprise me I guess. My wife answered. The girl was furious and totally ratted me out. Luckily, the warden thought it was a crank call. Who would think an agency escort would behave like that? But she did. So I try to avoid giving sb's personal data and I don't let them think I'm single.
Several mongers recommend checking out with cash to avoid the credit card record. That may work. I wouldn't falsify a registration because I think that's illegal.Paying cash does not mean that one would or should give false info upon registration. In fact most hotels when you pay cash will want to see an I'd, so not advisable to give false info. Most hotels that mongers are going to and paying cash know that it isn't you and your wife up in the suite, nor do they care. As long as you pay and practice quiet enjoyment of their premises. Leaving everything in tact when you depart. For the most part you aren't going to receive any mail wanting you to confirm how your stay was. They already KNOW if was GREAT.
Lit 2. Thanks for clarifying some of the rules of the SB road. Helpful and very interesting.
... she fucked like a mink, most often cried after the 'O', particularly the second one and was only the second woman I have ever had, when her hips rocked, her puzzy “crawled” inside like a snake. Damn I have to get me one of those.
CantWinLosin
04-28-11, 20:39
Paying cash does not mean that one would or should give false info upon registration. In fact most hotels when you pay cash will want to see an I'd, so not advisable to give false info. Most hotels that mongers are going to and paying cash know that it isn't you and your wife up in the suite, nor do they care. As long as you pay and practice quiet enjoyment of their premises. Leaving everything in tact when you depart. For the most part you aren't going to receive any mail wanting you to confirm how your stay was. They already KNOW if was GREAT.
Lit 2. Thanks for clarifying some of the rules of the SB road. Helpful and very interesting. My experience over the last couple of years is that all of the major moderately-priced chains may send you advertising in the postal mail after you stay with them... and it's hard to talk away as "postal spam" something addressed specifically to you and saying "Thanks for your recent stay with us!" For this reason, I always give them my work address, which I can confirm with my business card. Junk mail to me there requires no explanation.
My experience over the last couple of years is that all of the major moderately-priced chains may send you advertising in the postal mail after you stay with them... and it's hard to talk away as "postal spam" something addressed specifically to you and saying "Thanks for your recent stay with us!" For this reason, I always give them my work address, which I can confirm with my business card. Junk mail to me there requires no explanation.CWL:
Have you noticed these mailing or questionaires being from any specific brand of hotel?
I based my posted opinion on 30 or more stays at hotels with 0 mail. These are typically lower end motels, Quality, Motel69, Super8, etc. Not one piece of mail to date.
CantWinLosin
04-29-11, 20:02
CWL:
Have you noticed these mailing or questionaires being from any specific brand of hotel?
I based my posted opinion on 30 or more stays at hotels with 0 mail. These are typically lower end motels, Quality, Motel69, Super8, etc. Not one piece of mail to date. I'm talking Holiday Inn and Hi Express, Clarion, Hampton Inn, Doubletree, Courtyard and the like. I wouldn't expect spam from Motel6 or Super8. :-)
My impression was that the less expensive hotels are less likely to send you marketing stuff after a stay but I wasn't really sure. It's great to have this confirmed by experience.
I made the mistake of joining Hilton Honors years ago and can't get rid of it. I never give them my HH number when I check in, they always dig it up anyway and send me an email congratulating me on my recent stay at their hotel on such and such a date. Drives me crazy. I finally realized I can unsubscribe from their emailing list so that seems to have stopped. In any case they only have my PO Box as a mailing address (like a business address) and the credit card I use is billed online with the PO Box as the postal address.
No sb pussy for nearly a couple weeks now. I want fresh pussy. SB3 was one of my early failures. She's 29, full tits, nice butt, a little fleshy but not fat. She sent me a pic months ago of herself touching her clit. I gave her sugar and met her but she wouldn't see me alone. Recently she was email teasing me again but she's disappeared again. I won't spend any more on her until penetration but there's no reason to burn her off so I'll wait.
SB11 is a 23 year old college student, she says, very pretty, maybe a touch of Asian. She emails hot and cold. Sometimes I get 4-5 emails a day, sometimes nothing. I had a hard time getting free to set a time with her. When I did so she stopped emailing and doesn't answer her phone. I suspect she's got some other sd fucking her at the moment, so I'll wait.
SB 13 is another single momma. She says she's 24. Her pix show she's got a little extra padding but not much and a cute face. She wants to meet, so I suggested a hotel. She wants a public meeting first. I've suggested a quick coffee or soft drink at a lunch counter. I'll try to call her later today. This girl is in the "maybe I'll get to fuck her" category.
SB14 is a 30-year old waitress or barmaid I think. 5'4 and 120 lbs she says. Face is cute enough. She said she'd meet Thursday in a hotel so I've sent her the address and time. We shall see what happens. This one is in the "I think I'm going to fuck her in a couple days" category.
SB15 is a blond 25 year old and attached, she says. Haven't seen this kind before. She has hot pix. She seems very confident about herself and the sb / sd process. I suspect she knows what she is doing and I'm sure she has a hundred guys hitting on her. She says she wants to meet for lunch and talk about a sb / sd relationship. I'm trying to arrange something. I put this one in the "it will cost me a lot to fuck this girl" category. We will see.
CantWinLosin
05-03-11, 12:05
Saw the hot blonde stripper again, and it will be the last. Flaky, drinks too much, too much attitude, and the final straw is she doesn't catch.
Met a new SB over the weekend. 24, brand new to the area from up north and originally from eastern Europe (and still has a touch of accent, which was sexy) , lovely young lady and a body to die for... but as distant and stand-offish as I've ever seen. She indicated that she's had several big-money SD's in the past including one who shelled out $7K for cosmetic surgery. She was perfectly willing to do whatever sort of relationship I wanted, but was so mercenary about it that it was a complete turn-off. Girls like that tend to be lousy, selfish fucks too. I took a pass.
Have a couple of new ones scheduled to met: SB4 is an older (early 40s) lady that may not be what I'm looking for physically but seems to have a great attitude... and attitude and experience can make up for mileage. SB5 is mid-20's and black, which is something I've avoided as my experiences with black girls in the past has been uniformly bad (attitude and constant drama) but this young lady is very attractive and seems to have her head screwed on straight, so I'm going to check her out.
Wish me luck!
Good luck to you CWL.
I wonder what the other sb mongers are doing.
OBX, Thud, Varoom, Golf, Spit, RM, Cool: What're you mongers up to?
As for me, SB13 says we'll meet for coffee Friday and SB 14 says she'll see me at the hotel Thursday. The woman's vagina will be penetrated. Fresh UTR pussy coming up! I love it!
Good luck to you CWL.
I wonder what the other sb mongers are doing.
OBX, Thud, Varoom, Golf, Spit, RM, Cool: What're you mongers up to?
As for me, SB13 says we'll meet for coffee Friday and SB 14 says she'll see me at the hotel Thursday. The woman's vagina will be penetrated. Fresh UTR pussy coming up! I love it! Glad to be mentioned among the group here but I am really just spectating for the most part. Trying to decide if the SB / SD motiff fits into my my repertoire. I have been following this thread closely and have also registered on the sbforme website. Most of what I have received from them is spam and responses from gals that do not fit my profile at all. Also quite a few that are listed on the website are known providers to me, either by personal visit or having seen their ads in the past.
So Varoom is highly amused and interested by the prospects of the SB / SD thing, but for the time being am just seeing well reviewed providers with my mongering. From my perspective it seems that the SB / SD thing requires much cultivation of the SB's in order to result into penetration, as Lit2 refers to it. Not sure whether I will pursue this further or not, but still under consideration for the time being. But know that I will continue to follow the thread with great interest as I evaluate the prospects of fitting this into my activities.
Richmond Mas
05-03-11, 15:02
Good luck to you CWL.
I wonder what the other sb mongers are doing.
OBX, Thud, Varoom, Golf, Spit, RM, Cool: What're you mongers up to?
As for me, SB13 says we'll meet for coffee Friday and SB 14 says she'll see me at the hotel Thursday. The woman's vagina will be penetrated. Fresh UTR pussy coming up! I love it! I saw all these postings on the progress, and I am impressed. I wonder if I am doing something wrong. I have been in the game for one month and still have no bite. Might have to officially drop out of the game. All I got were people from CA and way far to even visit. No luck on any local girls yet. Hell, that's tougher than getting a million dollar government contract.
I met with a potential SB last night for a meet and greet. I'll call her SSB3. She had a SD before and recently moved out of her BF's apartment and is now on her own. She models on the side and sent some of her modeling shots to me so I was encouraged.
But I have to say when I met her in person I was disappointed. I have a thing about teeth and hers were sort of gray and dingy looking. Her body was not also as toned as in the pictures. I was thinking perhaps she had recently had a baby or something, but she says not. I might have to pass or keep her around for emergency purposes. She's looking for a long term arrangement so she might not be open to being a part timer or second teamer.
I saw all these postings on the progress, and I am impressed. I wonder if I am doing something wrong. I have been in the game for one month and still have no bite. Might have to officially drop out of the game. All I got were people from CA and way far to even visit. No luck on any local girls yet. Hell, that's tougher than getting a million dollar government contract.What site are you using? If you google seeking arrangement, that's the one I have the most luck with. Maybe try re-writing your ad and seeing if that helps?
I wonder what the other sb mongers are doing.
OBX, Thud, Varoom, Golf, Spit, RM, Cool: What're you mongers up to?
As for me, SB13 says we'll meet for coffee Friday and SB 14 says she'll see me at the hotel Thursday. The woman's vagina will be penetrated. Fresh UTR pussy coming up! I love it! I'm still plugging away. I'm continuing to make contacts but I'm having no luck in closing the deal. I had another no-show last week. I've got two 20 somethings I'm emailing back and forth with. One of them I talked to within the last hour. They both seem somewhat ambivalent about what a SB / SD relationship really is. They want financial help; they need financial help but are struggling with the straight forward nature of the transaction. I have tried to soften my approach (based on Lit's advice) and that does seem to allow me to remain in touch. The fact is I don't want a email buddy, I want pussy! I'm still amazed that women sign up for the sight but don't seem to realized what they have signed up for. Maybe I should focus on the 40 somethings.
I'm going to hang in there but a good straight forward provider is looking pretty good right now.
I've been trying to reduce the email chatter with the sb candidates. I've been asking new girls to meet at a hotel in my second or third communication. As reported SB13 and SB14 have agreed to meet. SB14 accepted the hotel meet right away and we are on for Thursday, as reported. Chances of fucking her are high.
Sb 13 asked me to call her and wanted to meet in a public place rather than a hotel for our first meeting. That's on for Friday. I think my chances of fucking her her are 50-50, but not this week.
Late today SB16, another 27 year old, slim, health care provider, accepted the hotel meet proposal in my second email but wants to meet in the hotel bar first. This is set for Saturday. I think chances of fucking her are maybe 60-40.
No more word from SB11 or SB15. I haven't asked the hotel question yet and have email going back months with both of them. SB15 who is the hot girl who seems skilled at the sb / sd business wants to have lunch but doesn't respond to my emails promptly, and SB11 who is the pretty 23 year old student has disappeared for the moment. Chances of me fucking either of these girls are 25 percent, no make that 15 percent, at most.
SB3, a cock teaser I met with months ago near Norfolk and gave sugar to after she sent me a pic of her pussy and who then wouldn't see me alone, emailed me today to ask me when we could get together. I'm not going to go out of my way for her but I may try to work her in when I'm in her neighborhood. Only because of her persistence I'll say the odds of me fucking her in the next month may be as high as 25 percent. But she may just be teasing again.
SB5, a heavy girl with a firm body I fucked in February, more or less by mistake, emailed me a couple days ago to say she was "hot and horny." I said,"sounds like you want to get laid, pretty girl." Today she replied,"Yes. Where and when?" I may slot her in as a back-up if one of the fresh sb pussies falls through.
Trying to learn lessons from these sb experiences, I think I should continue asking the hotel question on the second or third communication. It seems to speed things up and none of the girls has seemed offended.
Secondly, I haven't mentioned any allowance amount to any of the new girls and none of them has asked specifically about it, including the three who agreed to meet me this week. I don't think I have to say anything specific about it in an early communication.
Third, the more email I exchange with the girls it seems the lower the chances of fucking them quickly. Maybe its best to let their female imaginations answer their own questions rather than me try to deal with everything up front.
Fourth, there's no reason to burn a girl off who won't meet at first. She may decide to come around again later.
Just my opinions based on my experience to date. I'm learning as I go along. Others probably have different experiences.
Met a new SB over the weekend. 24, brand new to the area from up north and originally from eastern Europe (and still has a touch of accent, which was sexy) , lovely young lady and a body to die for... but as distant and stand-offish as I've ever seen. She indicated that she's had several big-money SD's in the past including one who shelled out $7K for cosmetic surgery. She was perfectly willing to do whatever sort of relationship I wanted, but was so mercenary about it that it was a complete turn-off. Girls like that tend to be lousy, selfish fucks too. I took a pass.I wasted a lot of time haggling over money with one of these a while ago. Looked gorgeous, but too mercenary. These must be traveling pros from Europe, right?
Have a couple of new ones scheduled to met: SB4 is an older (early 40s) lady that may not be what I'm looking for physically but seems to have a great attitude. And attitude and experience can make up for mileage. My SB12 said she was 39 and was great with attitude and also looked good. I know what you mean. But I still hanker after the younger ones.
SB5 is mid-20's and black, which is something I've avoided as my experiences with black girls in the past has been uniformly bad (attitude and constant drama) but this young lady is very attractive and seems to have her head screwed on straight, so I'm going to check her out.I haven't tried this yet but I've thought about it. Let us know what happens.
Good luck CWL!
Glad to be mentioned among the group here but I am really just spectating for the most part. Trying to decide if the SB / SD motiff fits into my my repertoire. I have been following this thread closely and have also registered on the sbforme website. Most of what I have received from them is spam and responses from gals that do not fit my profile at all. Also quite a few that are listed on the website are known providers to me, either by personal visit or having seen their ads in the past.
So Varoom is highly amused and interested by the prospects of the SB / SD thing, but for the time being am just seeing well reviewed providers with my mongering. From my perspective it seems that the SB / SD thing requires much cultivation of the SB's in order to result into penetration, as Lit2 refers to it. Not sure whether I will pursue this further or not, but still under consideration for the time being. But know that I will continue to follow the thread with great interest as I evaluate the prospects of fitting this into my activities. Good mongering to you, Varoom. All kinds of experience can help with nailing down sbs who are sometimes elusive, so comment as you see fit.
Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?
I saw all these postings on the progress, and I am impressed. I wonder if I am doing something wrong. I have been in the game for one month and still have no bite. Might have to officially drop out of the game. All I got were people from CA and way far to even visit. No luck on any local girls yet. Hell, that's tougher than getting a million dollar government contract.As suggested, you might try the arrangements site. Also you could try revising your ad / profile. I think the best idea is to keep it short and positive. Good luck with whatever you decide.
I met with a potential SB last night for a meet and greet. I'll call her SSB3. She had a SD before and recently moved out of her BF's apartment and is now on her own. She models on the side and sent some of her modeling shots to me so I was encouraged.
But I have to say when I met her in person I was disappointed. I have a thing about teeth and hers were sort of gray and dingy looking. Her body was not also as toned as in the pictures. I was thinking perhaps she had recently had a baby or something, but she says not. I might have to pass or keep her around for emergency purposes. She's looking for a long term arrangement so she might not be open to being a part timer or second teamer. You have high standards, Spit. I hope you get the pussy you're looking for. I've found most, but not all, of the girls want a relationship / arrangement that goes on for a while. I think it's one way they convince themselves they aren't just doing it for money. Also I think the female mind is wired to do that, whereas we usually like to spread our seed around as widely as possible.
I'm still plugging away. I'm continuing to make contacts but I'm having no luck in closing the deal. I had another no-show last week. I've got two 20 somethings I'm emailing back and forth with. One of them I talked to within the last hour. They both seem somewhat ambivalent about what a SB / SD relationship really is. They want financial help; they need financial help but are struggling with the straight forward nature of the transaction. I have tried to soften my approach (based on Lit's advice) and that does seem to allow me to remain in touch. The fact is I don't want a email buddy, I want pussy! I'm still amazed that women sign up for the sight but don't seem to realized what they have signed up for. Maybe I should focus on the 40 somethings.
I'm going to hang in there but a good straight forward provider is looking pretty good right now. That makes sense to me. You can always mess around with the sbs when you want to. Having a satisfying provider available ensures you won't go without pussy for long. Good luck.
As suggested, you might try the arrangements site. Also you could try revising your ad / profile. I think the best idea is to keep it short and positive. Good luck with whatever you decide.Speaking of profile being short and positive, could you give an example of what is in your profile? I had looked at a few SD ads but not knowing what works and doesn't it was hard to determine. Since you have experimented with your profile maybe you could post a sample of yours. After adjustments. I had seen earlier advice on slightly altering the age, which I'm sure is done frequently by both SB's and SD's.
Thanks in advance.
Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?She's on the shelf at the moment. She's still my atf.
She's on the shelf at the moment. She's still my atf.On the shelf. By her choosing or circumstance, or yours? Just curious.
You would be getting close to needing a social secretary once you get into SB 20 and beyond, don't you think?
Ha-ha
CantWinLosin
05-04-11, 11:07
I wasted a lot of time haggling over money with one of these a while ago. Looked gorgeous, but too mercenary. These must be traveling pros from Europe, right?I'm not sure. She indicated she moved from eastern Europe to Chicago in her pre-teen years, had recently moved down here with a "boyfriend" that she had broken up with but was still living with until she gets on her feet, and might move elsewhere if things looked better.
The quality of her English and her mix of European and Chicago accent lends some credence to her story, but then those kind of stories always sound very fishy to me. She said she used to love him, but this girl is soooo blatantly mercenary that I have a very hard time believing she could ever see any male as anything but a source of income.
On the shelf. By her choosing or circumstance, or yours? Just curious.
You would be getting close to needing a social secretary once you get into SB 20 and beyond, don't you think?
Ha-haIt's my choice. As to the number of sbs, I've never had so many girls to choose from in my life. I was always kind of below average I felt when it came to the ability to date women. I've had to work hard to find satisfactory escorts over the years too. Many of them were terrible. This sb scene just seems to work for me at the moment.
Richmond Mas
05-04-11, 14:35
It's my choice. As to the number of sbs, I've never had so many girls to choose from in my life. I was always kind of below average I felt when it came to the ability to date women. I've had to work hard to find satisfactory escorts over the years too. Many of them were terrible. This sb scene just seems to work for me at the moment.I must be doing something wrong. Seems like no sb is interested in me. If all of you guys are scoring, I need to change me approach. SB is definably different from the escort scene. I have better luck with the pros. I pick and go. With the sb, I can pick all I wanted, but there is no go to this at all.
I was going to give up, but after reading your post. I am going to change my approach and hang in there.
I must be doing something wrong. Seems like no sb is interested in me. If all of you guys are scoring, I need to change me approach. SB is definably different from the escort scene. I have better luck with the pros. I pick and go. With the sb, I can pick all I wanted, but there is no go to this at all.I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.
Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich.
I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.
Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich. Cool, it sounds like the 22 year old was frustrating. I've never gotten anywhere with sbs under 23 although at least two promised to meet and then disappeared. My youngest sb to date was 23 and totally whacked out, drinking and smoking, dirty and erratic. Another 23 year old on my list for months disappears when I get close. The young ones are the best trophies, the tightest bodies, the wettest pussies, and the finest to fuck of course, but they are difficult to deal with and pin down.
Re "gold standard." I don't think so. As of 20 minutes ago SB14 had failed to confirm (after I confidently predicted I would fuck her today) and SB15 never responded to my offer of lunch today (which she requested) , so I was going to post about how today was a total loss. I left sb14 a voice mail yesterday as she had requested, so I was bummed. She just confirmed by email so I guess we are on and I do plan to open up her pussy and poke around in there this afternoon after all. However, I don't kid myself about this. Anyone can have a dry spell and I'm sure I will encounter a no-show sb, maybe even sb14 later today. In my case I got started with sbs after a no-show fake Richmond escort named Becka last year. I've just been lucky.
One thing I worry about with my new strategy of trying to get agreement to meet at a hotel as quickly as possible after first contact. If there is no money promised, what is the incentive for the girl not to stand me up when a concrete offer comes along? I think I will get away cheaper if I don't use a specific amount as a hook, but there will probably be more no-shows.
SB13 hasn't responded to the lunch invitation for tomorrow she requested either and I won't know until tomorrow if sb16 will confirm our meet at a hotel bar for Saturday, let alone whether she will let me fuck her on Saturday which is what I'd prefer.
Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?I just love that girl's ass.
I may be wrong about never having an sb under 23. SB8 was about 22 but she was really fat and sloppy looking. Besides I didn't fuck her, I just took some pix of her spreading her pussy.
Speaking of profile being short and positive, could you give an example of what is in your profile? I had looked at a few SD ads but not knowing what works and doesn't it was hard to determine. Since you have experimented with your profile maybe you could post a sample of yours. After adjustments. I had seen earlier advice on slightly altering the age, which I'm sure is done frequently by both SB's and SD's.
Thanks in advance. Ha ha. No thanks.
All I will say is that my profile is short, sweet and positive. Give it a shot, see what happens Vroom.
Ha ha. No thanks.
All I will say is that my profile is short, sweet and positive. Give it a shot, see what happens Vroom. Lit:
Just to be clear, I am not asking you to "out" your own personal profile here. Just possibly compose a sample. But I understand any reluctance to do so.
Actually with the one that I wrote, it seems to be drawing plenty of hits even though many are for age ranges outside of the one that I posted. (54. Which is younger than actual age based on your advice) , and most are "GU"; Geographiclly Undesirable. Outside of an area that I would consider traveling for a SB. Which frankly isn't too far for me, as I wouldn't go more than a 100 mi radius for me. I figure if I can't get laid properly within 100 mile radius then I can't get laid. Which hasn't been an issue to date, just not with SB's.
Another angle that I have cultivated similar to SB's, are dancers. Not the avg ones but those that seem to have their act somewhat together. Void of chemcials, or at least any hardcore habits, that like to hook-up for private parties outside of the establishment. I know this is not the same thing but it functions as such for me. A little more personal contact than a typical escort (also cheaper) and an ongoing fuck if I want it. The crop of a few that I have cultivated here are early to mid 30's and fine in the specimen and performance dept. Just another angle that seems to be much easier than the legwork of finding the gals like Lit and the gang are doing.
One more thing Lit. Even though you deny this, you are surely the gold standard here amongst those of us that post in this thread. No harm no foul that you have SB's not following thru to meetting, (or meating) , it is the fact that you others that are readily plugged into the matrix to replace the dead wood. That my friend. Is impressive. Anyone who has 16 or 17 SB's is the "TRUE SD" in my book. Cheers to Lit2. Varoom.
SB14 has now reconfirmed this afternoon's hotel room meet two more times. Still no discussion of dinero. I sure hope she has long legs to wrap around my hips, a sweet mouth to suck on my tongue while we're fucking and a deep vagina so cumming inside her will be pleasurable for me. But I don't know. I've never seen her before. Maybe she'll look like a dog.
SB13 has confirmed tomorrow's meet and greet. Chances are revised upwards to 65 percent that I'll fuck her within the next week or two (but not tomorrow). Only one sb has walked away after meeting me, old, bald and fat as I am. That was SB3.
I'm jamming SB16 a little bit, reminding her of how much the hotel room costs to pressure her from the bar where she wants to meet on Saturday up to the room where I can unwrap her and finger her pussy for a while before deciding how I want to fuck her. But this may fall through. I can't be sure she'll even show up.
And as for sb3, there have been additional emails from her today, after a long period in which I didn't hear anything from her. She says she'll come to my hotel next weekend if I get to her area. I'm thinking about it. She is so unreliable, but she has nice ta tas and a big round butt. I'll bet she cums hard. I may try to find out.
Yes, this is a lot of work I know. But I don't mind it too much.
One thing I worry about with my new strategy of trying to get agreement to meet at a hotel as quickly as possible after first contact. If there is no money promised, what is the incentive for the girl not to stand me up when a concrete offer comes along? I think I will get away cheaper if I don't use a specific amount as a hook, but there will probably be more no-shows.This has been my standard approach. I have taken it as a means to avoid misunderstanding. My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?
This has been my standard approach. I have taken it as a means to avoid misunderstanding. My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?How to close, when to close, etc. Age old questions.
Sure, we aren't talking about selling here, but in a sense you are selling your purse strings in exchange for a coveted service to the SB. It is damned hard to have the tempo and know how of when to close (make the proper offer in a manner that doesn't scare away the intended target) in an email. I would say that if this is working, for the most part these are what are known as "lay downs" in the business world; aka easy marks, like shooting fish in a barrel.
So since most aren't getting the fish in the barrel types, wouldn't it make more sense to arrange a meeting, for a drink or dinner. Ala courting style, and see what common ground you have with the young lady? This just makes sense to me, but then you may not wish to invest the time of $ in meeting. That could be understood but it seems that one could be missing relatively easy or at least interested targets, (since they have expressed initial interest in being a SB) , by attempting to ink the deal via email. I would think that most potential SB's would be more receptive to a meet and greet, then rub some knees, which allows them to think of this as more than a gash for cash. But then I am just using some business logic here, having little experience in the SB cultivation business, but having lots of exp in the cultivation of getting laid process. Just some ideas for thought here.
Here is a fairly generic and positive sample ad (not mine) :
I'm a generous 99 year old male looking for a lady who likes to be well taken care of. Let's meet up for drinks or dinner to chat and determine our compatibility. Your time is as valuable as mine, so let's make the most of it. Hoping for a drama free mutually beneficial arrangement.
. . . . , it is not "Escorts."
(edit delete) My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?Excuse me, but the present discussion of how to get the girl to the hotel and in bed earlier and how to avoid being outbid is best achieved by seeing an internet escort in the first place. So why is this approach even being considered with a civie? It won't work except with a girl in serious distress. We shouldn't want a girl in distress because we are taking advantage and we will be resented. Nothing good will come from that.
Rather, we should find a girl and meet her for coffee under circumstances where moving things to an unplanned dinner is possible. If things go well at coffee move it to dinner. Put something meaningful in her purse at dinner without saying a word, without looking at her. Let her make the next move and the clothes will come flying off in appreciation. That is an "arrangement." We allow her to give to someone who is not a taker. We become important rather than resented.
This involves a little risk, of course, but the reward is much greater.
Be careful, some of you will be playing with fire. Real escorts know the no call, no contact rules. Civies don't. You can’t get away from a girl who knows how to find you.
SB14 was penetrated on schedule. A hard working delivery truck driver it turns out. Short, round above and below with a waist and nice long brown hair. Very unskilled and slow with her technique but happy to be well fucked. She accepted a mouth full of my sperm. I doubt I see her again, but I respect her. She and her kind keep the country running.
This has been my standard approach. I have taken it as a means to avoid misunderstanding. My thought was that if I wanted subsequent meetings that clarity was best. The problem is that it may be keeping me from having the first meeting. You are unknowingly competing in a auction without the opportunity to rebid. Someone comes along and offers more and you are toast. Hence the no-shows, which has been a problem for me. As with most things, how do you achieve the proper balance?I am thinking that if we lose girls by bidding too low and also lose girls by not naming any number maybe we should either A. Not name a number; or B. If we name a number it should be high enough to foreclose (most) competition. What do you think? A lot of girls will show up even if no number is named.
. . . . , it is not "Escorts."
Excuse me, but the present discussion of how to get the girl to the hotel and in bed earlier and how to avoid being outbid Is best achieved by seeing an internet escort in the first place. So why is this approach even being considered with a civie? It won't work except with a girl in serious distress. We shouldn't want a girl in distress because we are taking advantage and we will be resented. Nothing good will come from that.
Rather, we should find a girl and meet her for coffee under circumstances where moving things to an unplanned dinner is possible. If things go well at coffee move it to dinner. Put something meaningful In her purse at dinner without saying a word, without looking at her. Let her make the next move and the clothes will come flying off in appreciation. That is an "arrangement." We allow her to give to someone who is not a taker. We become important rather than resented.
This involves a little risk, of course, but the reward is much greater.
Be careful, some of you will be playing with fire. Real escorts know the no call, no contact rules. Civies don't. You can't get away from a girl who knows how to find you. Golf, this is a very classy approach and when you have time to work it you will, I am sure, wind up with an extremely satisfying relationship. Thanks for explaining it.
Lit:
Another angle that I have cultivated similar to SB's, are dancers. Not the avg ones but those that seem to have their act somewhat together. Void of chemcials, or at least any hardcore habits, that like to hook-up for private parties outside of the establishment. I know this is not the same thing but it functions as such for me. A little more personal contact than a typical escort (also cheaper) and an ongoing fuck if I want it. The crop of a few that I have cultivated here are early to mid 30's and fine in the specimen and performance dept. Just another angle that seems to be much easier than the legwork of finding the gals like Lit and the gang are doing. I'm impressed by this. I love dancers but the four I've taken out have all cost me a huge amount of moola in the VIP before they agreed to meet at a hotel and three of them scared the hell out of me with their drive towards entanglements. One girl wanted a baby (and got one from another customer) , another wanted a father for her two kids and one was 19, gorgeous and hysterical with strong self-destructive urges. I think my approach to them was all wrong as it was borderline romantic. None was in Virginia. I'm not in the clubs much these days and I don't look for take-out when I am.
It sounds like you have a winning strategy for finding and fucking girls who are both cute and fit.
I don't know how all these sb sites work, I only know how the one I'm on works and also the one promoting extra-marital affairs that advertises everywhere these days.
I don't think you'll get anywhere as a geezer trying to bed young honeys just posting your profile and sitting back, waiting for girls to contact you.
I admit I never advertised much on CL in the old days or BP and I'm not skilled at that. If you are good at writing those kinds of ads then probably what I have say doesn't apply to you.
Some sbs seem to troll nationally and internationally. I assume somebody gets to fuck them sometime but the out of geographic range unsolicited emails I've received all appear to me to be mass mailings. The girl either hopes to find a billionaire like the one who married Anna Nicole Smith if she just sends enough emails, or they are schemes to get you to send money with no real prospect of ever meeting the girl. Just my opinion based on a few email exchanges.
The procedure that seems to work for me is this: 1. Search for girls within xx miles of your zip code. 2. Screen for characteristics that matter to you (like age, weight, race, marital status, etc.).3. Screen for recent online activity. All this can be accomplished in a few minutes. Now you have a set of xx girls to work with in the geographic area you want who claim to look like what you want and who have been online recently looking for somebody.
Go through the set and find the girls you like best and contact them by email. Try to figure out what will appeal to them. It's ok to use a generic email but its best to add some words that show you have actually read the girl's profile. Send out a bunch of them at the same time so you don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Don't be afraid to follow up if you get no response at first.
Where your profile or "ad" comes in is that when the girls get your email they will look at it. It has to make them at least willing to communicate with you and not turn them off. How you do that is up to you but I've found shorter is better. Girls don't usually like direct talk about sex, body parts, etc. Inmo, at least not at first.
Most girls will ask for a photo in their first response if they have any interest after looking at your profile. I tried to avoid this but I eventually uploaded a couple of pix that I altered to make unrecognizable but which clearly show my age and general body type. The pix are in a private gallery that can only be accessed with a password.
When I give the girl a password I usually ask her a question that challenges her determination to enter into an sb / sd relationship. I find this makes her more likely to respond after looking at the photos.
I'm impressed by this. I love dancers but the four I've taken out have all cost me a huge amount of moola in the VIP before they agreed to meet at a hotel and three of them scared the hell out of me with their drive towards entanglements. One girl wanted a baby (and got one from another customer) , another wanted a father for her two kids and one was 19, gorgeous and hysterical with strong self-destructive urges. I think my approach to them was all wrong as it was borderline romantic. None was in Virginia. I'm not in the clubs much these days and I don't look for take-out when I am.
It sounds like you have a winning strategy for finding and fucking girls who are both cute and fit. "both cute and fit"
And the funny thing is, I am neither. But they must view me as safe and an easy way to accomplish whatever their goal is. Perceived to be CA$H. But a key element that I think is part of it is, I am very nice to them (non-threatening) and also fun to be around. (based on the girls' feedback).
I don't do any VIP room stuff, in fact maybe only twice have I even had a private dance. I simply talk to them, buy them the cheapest drink on the menu, maybe 15 or 18 bucks, and once I hit upon someone that is a decent conversationalist and someone that I would want to see outside of there, I merely work into the convo some questioning about partaking in "private parties". I assume that "they do it" but it doesn't hurt my feelings if they say NO, but it only takes one yes to get your weiner wet. Lets face it, these gals are already selling themselves and all I want is some private time with them. They have needs, both physical and financial, and I can meet one of them for sure, maybe both on a good day. The only issue that I would have with any of these encounters is on a few occassions I have had girls who request meetings a little too often, after the initial one or two encounters. Via text msgs. (Oh I want to see you. How about Friday morning, blah, blah). Trying to keep that contact to a minimum is really the biggest challenge. In fact I have had 3 requests this week to meet today. Rent must due this week, ya think?
I think sb14 makes 9 sbs who have opened their pussies for me since I started targeting sbs late last year. In at least half of these cases, there has been zero discussion of any specific amount of allowance. Yesterday was typical. At the end of the session I put her allowance in her jeans. She didn't even count it.
I try to deflect specific discussions of cash by saying "I don't like to talk about this, I'm sure you'll be happy" or something like that. Again we return to the question of whether these girls think of themselves as escorts. Most of the ones I've run into don't. Just my experience for what it's worth.
"both cute and fit"
And the funny thing is, I am neither. But they must view me as safe and an easy way to accomplish whatever their goal is. Perceived to be CA$H. But a key element that I think is part of it is, I am very nice to them (non-threatening) and also fun to be around. (based on the girls' feedback).
I don't do any VIP room stuff, in fact maybe only twice have I even had a private dance. I simply talk to them, buy them the cheapest drink on the menu, maybe 15 or 18 bucks, and once I hit upon someone that is a decent conversationalist and someone that I would want to see outside of there, I merely work into the convo some questioning about partaking in "private parties". I assume that "they do it" but it doesn't hurt my feelings if they say NO, but it only takes one yes to get your weiner wet. Lets face it, these gals are already selling themselves and all I want is some private time with them. They have needs, both physical and financial, and I can meet one of them for sure, maybe both on a good day. The only issue that I would have with any of these encounters is on a few occassions I have had girls who request meetings a little too often, after the initial one or two encounters. Via text msgs. (Oh I want to see you. How about Friday morning, blah, blah). Trying to keep that contact to a minimum is really the biggest challenge. In fact I have had 3 requests this week to meet today. Rent must due this week, ya think? Three requests to meet this week? Not too shabby. Well done.
Thank you for explaining how you do this. I learn something every day on this website.
A pro would be a lot more direct and focused with a specific quid pro quo; she shows up, sex is had, cash is exchanged, and bam, you're done, and even if you're a regular, each time is still a one-off deal.
A sugardaddy / baby is a looser arrangement more like an easy girlfriend paired with a generous boyfriend; you may have dates and do things together other than sex, but there's still the implicit understanding that she's being so "good" to you mostly because you're being so "good" to her and vice-versa.
A pro is likely making her living that way with multiple clients, whereas a sugarbaby may have a real job or schooling or may be a "rent girl" who's put up in an apartment with all expenses paid but still exclusive to her sugardaddy.
A "sugarship" seems about halfway between an actual relationship and outright prostitution, and some may veer more towards one side or the other, but not quite far enough to call it really just one or the other.
Madaboutmax
05-06-11, 17:51
I'm going to jump into the discussion after watching from the sidelines.
I'm also try to establish "SB type" relationships with dancers at clubs. Unlike escorts I get to see what she looks like and see if their is any chemistry prior to the event. The downside is that it takes while to cultivate over many visits. I have worked on some dancers sporadically for over a year before closing the deal. I have a handful that have become regulars and a number that were not worth repeats.
My current regulars almost all took a while to develop, but are hot and very into it.
Not a bad option if you have the $'s, are a gentlemen with a good sense of humor. I'm mid-40's and not bad looking, but I'm not a twenty something stud.
I like dancers!
Wow Mad. You are very patient. Over a year to close the deal.
You mention you are in your 40's and not a bad looking guy.
I don't have the patience or the time to jack with these gals for that time span. I'm in my early 60's, nothing more than avg looks at best, puffy around the middle. So I'm not impressing anyone in that respect. What that all adds up to is I don't think I am going to whoo them off their feet; so I don't really try that hard. It is a numbers game speaking to a lot of gals, getting a sense of who fits my profile of acceptable candidates and if they do, I merely ask for an outside appt. It is a yeah or nay as far as I am concerned, or maybe a phone number from them to discuss it later, or meet for lunch to see where we can go from there. It is not a case of me going back time after time to ink a deal here. Not that detailed of a transaction at all for me. We either agree to meet and get necked, or we agree that we won't. Ther than possibly a lunch or a call later, in some cases.
One las tthing. Relative to the younger good looking guy vs the older not so hottie. Of the two the older guy is a lot less threatening. There is little chance that these gals are falling for some old geezer, they are merely having a need met and there is little mystery beyond that. Just how it seems to make sense and work for me, anyway.
I'm going to jump into the discussion after watching from the sidelines.
I'm also try to establish "SB type" relationships with dancers at clubs. Unlike escorts I get to see what she looks like and see if their is any chemistry prior to the event. The downside is that it takes while to cultivate over many visits. I have worked on some dancers sporadically for over a year before closing the deal. I have a handful that have become regulars and a number that were not worth repeats.
My current regulars almost all took a while to develop, but are hot and very into it.
Not a bad option if you have the $'s, are a gentlemen with a good sense of humor. I'm mid-40's and not bad looking, but I'm not a twenty something stud.
I like dancers!
SB13 showed up on schedule for a drink. I had asked her to a hotel but she wanted this first. I'm glad she did. She wore sweats, is about 25 as she claims and has the face of a hound. Much worse than her pix. Big boobs and squashy ass from what I could tell. Even Mr Johnson asked, what the fuck are we doing here? It's a good thing sb14 took care of him the day before because he can get unreasonable if he hasn't had pussy for a few days. She said I was her second sd. I gave her a little sugar for her babysitter as I said I would and told her to get in touch later. It will have to be a true pussy emergency before I see that girl again.
I'm going to jump into the discussion after watching from the sidelines.
I'm also try to establish "SB type" relationships with dancers at clubs. Unlike escorts I get to see what she looks like and see if their is any chemistry prior to the event. The downside is that it takes while to cultivate over many visits. I have worked on some dancers sporadically for over a year before closing the deal. I have a handful that have become regulars and a number that were not worth repeats.
My current regulars almost all took a while to develop, but are hot and very into it.
Not a bad option if you have the $'s, are a gentlemen with a good sense of humor. I'm mid-40's and not bad looking, but I'm not a twenty something stud.
I like dancers! I like dancers too and you get to inspect some high quality goods very thoroughly before you commit to anything. But I had the same long run up that you describe and I'm not doing dancers at the moment.
This dancer tech is good stuff. Thanks for describing your experiences.
Wow Mad. You are very patient. Over a year to close the deal.
You mention you are in your 40's and not a bad looking guy.
I don't have the patience or the time to jack with these gals for that time span. I'm in my early 60's, nothing more than avg looks at best, puffy around the middle. So I'm not impressing anyone in that respect. What that all adds up to is I don't think I am going to whoo them off their feet; so I don't really try that hard. It is a numbers game speaking to a lot of gals, getting a sense of who fits my profile of acceptable candidates and if they do, I merely ask for an outside appt. It is a yeah or nay as far as I am concerned, or maybe a phone number from them to discuss it later, or meet for lunch to see where we can go from there. It is not a case of me going back time after time to ink a deal here. Not that detailed of a transaction at all for me. We either agree to meet and get necked, or we agree that we won't. Ther than possibly a lunch or a call later, in some cases.
One las tthing. Relative to the younger good looking guy vs the older not so hottie. Of the two the older guy is a lot less threatening. There is little chance that these gals are falling for some old geezer, they are merely having a need met and there is little mystery beyond that. Just how it seems to make sense and work for me, anyway. Vroom, do you ask multiple girls if they will do private parties on one visit to a club? Does management ever warn you off when you do this? When the girls say no, are they offended?
SB15 never responded to the lunch invitation for yesterday she asked me for. I expect she will be back in contact eventually because I think she's a pro or semipro.
SB16 is 27, slim, a health care services provider, she says. She want to meet first in the hotel bar today but knows I have booked a room for us at the hotel. Her voice is intelligent and feminine and she has a nice laugh. Not much to go on but I think Johnson will find her acceptable. I don't have a lot of time so my plan is to spend no more than 15 minutes in the bar.
SB3 asked for a hotel meet for next weekend. I agreed but won't make any arrangements unless she stays in touch throughout next week. What a cock tease. Johnson wants access to her though. Badly.
A pro would be a lot more direct and focused with a specific quid pro quo; she shows up, sex is had, cash is exchanged, and bam, you're done, and even if you're a regular, each time is still a one-off deal.
A sugardaddy / baby is a looser arrangement more like an easy girlfriend paired with a generous boyfriend; you may have dates and do things together other than sex, but there's still the implicit understanding that she's being so "good" to you mostly because you're being so "good" to her and vice-versa.
A pro is likely making her living that way with multiple clients, whereas a sugarbaby may have a real job or schooling or may be a "rent girl" who's put up in an apartment with all expenses paid but still exclusive to her sugardaddy.
A "sugarship" seems about halfway between an actual relationship and outright prostitution, and some may veer more towards one side or the other, but not quite far enough to call it really just one or the other. I think this is about as good a definition as I've seen. The folks that say all sbs are really pros seem to be saying all women who are motivated at least partly by money are pros. That includes gold diggers and women who marry a guy for his money which includes a lot of women. There are many different kinds of sbs. Look at the difference between the kind of sb Golf is looking for and the kind I'm looking for. Look at the dancers Vroom and Max are getting. The sbs Spit and Cool pursue don't sound like escorts to me. Two of my sbs, sb13 and sb8 probably would be escorts if they were better looking, but they would starve as escorts even though they are available to be fucked. SBs are different, like the man says.
Here's an example of the kind of unsolicited offer you get from outside your geographic area on an sb website. These girls say they are in Russia and have PHDs or some shit like that and are also models. They want to come to the USA and be a threesome with their sd. I've attached one photo. I think this is a scam, but if you want to pursue, the girls' email is supposedly nvictoriakh@gmail.com And their skype name is victorialovemila. Just don't tell them I sent you, please.
Madaboutmax
05-07-11, 10:41
Wow Mad. You are very patient. Over a year to close the deal.It's like farming multiple fields. I wouldn't take the time to prep one fields if I wasn't harvesting something from another. A man's got to eat.
Not that I haven't closed the deal on the first meeting a couple of times, but those girls were usually escorts on the side and it was much more of a business transaction. I like the idea of finding girls that are hot and not as easy to close the deal. If you work on it over time and develop some chemistry it can be a lot of fun. I do have to set boundries and let them know I'm married and not looking to change that.
I post about my dancer experiences here because it is much more like the SB relationship.
Vroom, do you ask multiple girls if they will do private parties on one visit to a club? Does management ever warn you off when you do this? When the girls say no, are they offended?Lit:
Out of all the girls in a typical place there could none or one that I might consider popping a relavent question on. This seems to occur after some mutual stimulating discussion and interest. I let them know that I am not a regular attendee of these type of places and won't be around much so if we are going to become "friends" then now is the time. Never had any issue from mgmt; not once.
Lets face it, all these girls need some help, in usually more than one area. The ones that need major help aren't a candidate for my program, I am primarily looking for someone that you could sit and have a half decent conversation with for more than a few minutes. Also never had a girl be offended at the question. I'm sure this comes up often for them and my guess is most guys are just too darned crass about it to get anywhere. I have observed many other guys in these places and just forming that opinion from afar.
I have had some success at offering business advice to one who was intent on opening her own business. So we make a trade; legal and biz advice for the use of some of her assets. She has gotten lots of info from me and it is the best option she has come across in a while since she has been able to implement the advice and get her biz going part time. It can be so much more than the Ben Franklins in your pocket, although that remains a big part of the program too, because w / o those the attempts would be moot. Just another angle. Varoom
I tend to think in terms of a scale. It's linear, so it really doesn't allow for nuances which we all know exist. On one end you have 'regular' girls and on the other end escorts. Perhaps something like this:
Regular-------Easy----Sl*t-----Gold Digger-------Sugar Baby-----Stripper-----Escort
---|-----------|--------|------------|----------------|-------------|-----------|
Some girls might be combinations of these, but it's a starting point.
CantWinLosin
05-07-11, 12:26
Lit my view has always been that, where men and women come together and sex is involved, it's all prostitution. The woman is bartering sex for something she wants, whether it be cash up front, an allowance,"commitment", a roof over her head and meals on the table, whatever. The only difference is what the woman convinces herself is "OK" or "moral" or within the boundaries of her self-respect.
Many years ago I read one of those "How to pick up girls" books. Most of the book was bullshit, but one part of it has always stuck with me, and it kind of correlates to Spitfire's "scale line". The book documented that sexually there are 4 types of women: the Honest Digger - the woman who just loves sex for sex's sake, without any need to assign emotional baggage to the act; the Sexual Barterer - the woman who primarily sees sex as something to trade to get her physical, emotional and / or financial needs met; the Hung Up About It - the woman who has significant moral, emotional or psychological issues associated with sex, to the point that it significantly inhibits or prevents her from enjoying or even having it or it affects those other emotional / psych issues; and the Physically Incapable - the women with injury, deformity or condition that makes sex physically impossible or too painful to perform. There is some overlap in groups - a Barterer may have specific hang-ups against specific sex acts or styles, etc. - but in general the Barterers make up the largest group, followed by the Hung-Ups in a disturbingly large second place, third are the Incapables, and by far the smallest group is the Diggers. The book was written in the 80's, but I see no reason to think that classification system or the percentages have changed materially in the 30 years since.
Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, single, decent looking, and worked steadily as a performing musician in a fairly large metro area for a few years; it was a time when I never went home alone if I didn't want to. Out of the hundreds of women I've bedded in my life, I can say that I've known exactly 2 that were true Diggers. The rest were Barterers and/or Hung-Ups. It's an iron-clad fact that any woman you meet where sex is the primary determinate from the start will be a Barterer, but it's important to remember that she probably has Hang-Ups too. The trick is to determine as early as possible what her needs and hang-ups are, so you can cater to the former and avoid the latter.
I've known women who learned young that being a SB can be a career, and who had the looks and talent to pull it off (at least until the looks go, as they always do.) I've known women that really had been slammed with financial issues beyond their ability to cope, and this was their only way out without turning full pro. But most of the women I've known doing this are doing it because they have a Hang-Up: they simply can't handle money. They make enough to live on at their regular job, but can't make a budget and stay within it. The excuses range all over, but the bottom line is they have champagne tastes on a beer budget and spend beyond their means. When a girl is always pushing for more money or contacts you between regular installments because something in her life has blown up and she needs extra, chances are she's one of this type. This type is usually more trouble than they're worth.
CantWinLosin
05-07-11, 12:55
Lit, I get those contacts a lot too, although none so far have been for a doubles tag-team. :) The ones I get tend to say they're from some city in the US but their written english has that stilted and sometimes tense-confused pattern common to eastern-European natives.
And absolutely, they're scams; the girls are probably interested in a situation where some filthy-rich SD will support them in the lifestyle to which they'd like to become accustomed, but you can bet that their primary goal is to get that US visa to get them out of the poverty they almost certainly face in Russia.
A few years ago,"60 Minutes" did one of their long-form expose's about the Russian Bride web-sites industry that was pretty illuminating. While some of these girls are honestly looking just for an American husband who will treat them well, many have ulterior motives. They showed the story of one girl who married an American, then convinced her new husband to pay for bringing her brother over and getting him a permanent visa. At which point she packed up and left the husband because the "brother" was actually her Russian lover.
She turns out to be a very small breasted girl which she talks about all the time as it embarrasses her.
I don't care all that much, variety is the spice of life.
She showed up on time at the hotel bar. After 10 minutes I said time was short and gave her the room number and I left the bar. She came up in about 15 minutes by which time she was totally bombed. What? How'd she do that?
One shot of tequila she said. More like a bunch of shots is my guess. Anyway, nice slim 27-year old hardbody. BUT. She doesn't like her nipples touched, doesn't like oral, doesn't kiss much. She talked a streak about how she didn't want it to be just one time with us and she's not a working girl. I just listened and said we'd both have to see how we felt afterwards.
She said ok and took her panties off."What I like is penetration," she said. I obliged. After a few minutes mish, she said she wanted it from behind. I flipped her over and continued thrusting. While I'm doing this she keeps talking between her gasps. At first I ignore her as I'm getting into it, but then I thought I heard her say "Will you fuck me and my friend together?" I said what? She repeated it. So, still thrusting away, I quizzed her about the friend who she says is blonde and beautiful.
I say how about next week? She says whenever you want. I popped and flopped over on my back. She kept talking about doing it with her friend."I'll call her right now," she said. No, call her later, if it works that's fine but I won't count on it, I said. She explained she's not a lesbian this is just a really good friend from her childhood and they do it from time to time. I said ok, sounds great. I looked at my watch. She said, did you buy this room (it was a nice hotel). Yes. She said,"Can I have the room for the rest of the night?" I said no, I don't know you well enough, you might have a party with 100 people and break everything. I'm going to have to throw you out now.
Her mood changed 180 degrees."Why are you so mean?" she asked."Where's my money?" Up to this point there had been no mention of money at any time. I gave her some sugar. She counted it twice. Then she left with pissed off look, staggering down the hall from the alcohol.
So I don't know what to make of this. Her hardbody is a good fuck but there's no foreplay or any of the things I love to do. She said she came, and she was squirming around and moaning a lot so maybe she did. But this business with her friend? I have no idea if she is serious or just talking out her ass drunk. Very weird. Good fuck though.
Lit:
Out of all the girls in a typical place there could none or one that I might consider popping a relavent question on. This seems to occur after some mutual stimulating discussion and interest. I let them know that I am not a regular attendee of these type of places and won't be around much so if we are going to become "friends" then now is the time. Never had any issue from mgmt; not once.
Lets face it, all these girls need some help, in usually more than one area. The ones that need major help aren't a candidate for my program, I am primarily looking for someone that you could sit and have a half decent conversation with for more than a few minutes. Also never had a girl be offended at the question. I'm sure this comes up often for them and my guess is most guys are just too darned crass about it to get anywhere. I have observed many other guys in these places and just forming that opinion from afar.
I have had some success at offering business advice to one who was intent on opening her own business. So we make a trade; legal and biz advice for the use of some of her assets. She has gotten lots of info from me and it is the best option she has come across in a while since she has been able to implement the advice and get her biz going part time. It can be so much more than the Ben Franklins in your pocket, although that remains a big part of the program too, because w / o those the attempts would be moot. Just another angle. VaroomThis sounds like a precise approach Vroom. Very selective too. Just a few girls to ask in each city where there are strip clubs. It's great you find girls you like to hang with this way. You must have good conversational skills and you're nice to give them useful advice.
As for me, I just like to fuck pretty girls who aren't worn out from fucking other guys. I like to chase them around a little bit, but I prefer not to have long conversations with them and I don't want them turning to me for advice.
I tend to think in terms of a scale. It's linear, so it really doesn't allow for nuances which we all know exist. On one end you have 'regular' girls and on the other end escorts. Perhaps something like this:
Regular-Easy-Sl*t-Gold Digger-Sugar Baby-Stripper-Escort.
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Some girls might be combinations of these, but it's a starting point. We could combine this with CWL's four types and do some in depth research with as many attractive females as we can find.
Lit my view has always been that, where men and women come together and sex is involved, it's all prostitution. The woman is bartering sex for something she wants, whether it be cash up front, an allowance,"commitment", a roof over her head and meals on the table, whatever. The only difference is what the woman convinces herself is "OK" or "moral" or within the boundaries of her self-respect.I think this is true in many cases but sometimes you run into a girl, like my truck driver sb14 last week, who has been a long time without sex and just wants a man to caress and penetrate her and make her cum.
Many years ago I read one of those "How to pick up girls" books. Most of the book was bullshit, but one part of it has always stuck with me, and it kind of correlates to Spitfire's "scale line". The book documented that sexually there are 4 types of women: the Honest Digger - the woman who just loves sex for sex's sake, without any need to assign emotional baggage to the act; the Sexual Barterer - the woman who primarily sees sex as something to trade to get her physical, emotional and / or financial needs met; the Hung Up About It - the woman who has significant moral, emotional or psychological issues associated with sex, to the point that it significantly inhibits or prevents her from enjoying or even having it or it affects those other emotional / psych issues; and the Physically Incapable - the women with injury, deformity or condition that makes sex physically impossible or too painful to perform. There is some overlap in groups - a Barterer may have specific hang-ups against specific sex acts or styles, etc. - but in general the Barterers make up the largest group, followed by the Hung-Ups in a disturbingly large second place, third are the Incapables, and by far the smallest group is the Diggers. The book was written in the 80's, but I see no reason to think that classification system or the percentages have changed materially in the 30 years since.Interesting stuff. I never heard this before.
Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, single, decent looking, and worked steadily as a performing musician in a fairly large metro area for a few years; it was a time when I never went home alone if I didn't want to. Out of the hundreds of women I've bedded in my life, I can say that I've known exactly 2 that were true Diggers. The rest were Barterers and/or Hung-Ups. It's an iron-clad fact that any woman you meet where sex is the primary determinate from the start will be a Barterer, but it's important to remember that she probably has Hang-Ups too. The trick is to determine as early as possible what her needs and hang-ups are, so you can cater to the former and avoid the latter.Damn. I should have been a musician. Hundreds of women. Very impressive.
I've known women who learned young that being a SB can be a career, and who had the looks and talent to pull it off (at least until the looks go, as they always do.) I've known women that really had been slammed with financial issues beyond their ability to cope, and this was their only way out without turning full pro. But most of the women I've known doing this are doing it because they have a Hang-Up: they simply can't handle money. They make enough to live on at their regular job, but can't make a budget and stay within it. The excuses range all over, but the bottom line is they have champagne tastes on a beer budget and spend beyond their means. When a girl is always pushing for more money or contacts you between regular installments because something in her life has blown up and she needs extra, chances are she's one of this type. This type is usually more trouble than they're worth.Yeah I think this is about right. Thanks.
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