View Full Version : "Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?
I have used the financial setbacks excuse, and in many cases with success, but also in many cases it just backfired because I got everything from "aww, don't worry about money, you've done enough already and I still want to see you" from some of them pledging to get a full time job in they have to to help me through lean times. I can pretty much be sure that this won't happen in the 18-20 year old range but from that age upward, it happens more than I'd like to admit. I know that might sound like a good thing, but whatever reason makes me want to move on as a SB is magnified by a thousand times when I start to imagine her as an uncompensated emotional weight on my back.
The main thing is that all the excuses I can think of, including hard financial times, do not really give me a clean break. It leads to weeks of them still texting me, asking how things are going and general updates etc. So at some point I just have to stop responding, and I don't really like the idea that they are sharing my photo or details with others and labeling me a serial ghoster.Had to chime in on this one. There's nothing more disheartening than having a well planned and well thought out exit strategy only for the SB to respond with "I can work with you during the transition baby". Ugh. Happened to me last week. Had been laying the trap about the grind of corporate America for a bit and then unloaded with my excuse that I am leaving it all behind to focus on my small business venture so in the meantime I won't have excess income. Man. She responded with "let's just forget how we met stay in touch and just hang out. " I almost fainted because this one was inflicted with acute GPS when I first got her. 95 percent of the time the exit strategy works but when it doesn't it puts you in a scramble. Ripper.
Had to chime in on this one. There's nothing more disheartening than having a well planned and well thought out exit strategy only for the SB to respond with "I can work with you during the transition baby". Ugh. Happened to me last week. Had been laying the trap about the grind of corporate America for a bit and then unloaded with my excuse that I am leaving it all behind to focus on my small business venture so in the meantime I won't have excess income. Man. She responded with "let's just forget how we met stay in touch and just hang out. " I almost fainted because this one was inflicted with acute GPS when I first got her. 95 percent of the time the exit strategy works but when it doesn't it puts you in a scramble. Ripper.I'm always amazed at the different situations I've found in the bowl. I once had a 26 year old make me commit to a ppm allowance before meeting, started out she wanted $1,000 (LOL), we settled on 300 for the first date (which was $50 more than my most expensive date yet). She shows up driving a $120 k car, turns out she is from a family that has more money than I will dream about in my lifetime. On the second date, I was just joking when I got ready to hand her her allowance and said "200 right?" and she said "200 is fine" and I told I her I was just joking and she says no really, so 200 it was. It was around the 7th date I brought to the attention the fact that I could never match the lifestyle she grew up in, and I asked her if the 200 I give her each time really makes a difference and she said yeah, it's something about the way it makes her feel when I give it to her. I don't know if that meant she had a latent fantasy of being a pro or it just tapped into some other sort of need that I'll never understand.
FarFarAway
09-27-19, 12:58
My buddy and I often would message girls on the site for each other when we don't / didn't have paid memberships. He just got his membership suspended b / c of doing this. It does violate the terms of service, actually, they obviously want to do everything they can to get our $. This is the first I heard of this happening, he thinks it was b / c the POT reported him. He was able to reinstate his membership by pleading and promising not to do it again. But you should not assume that this is a strategy for the future.
My buddy and I often would message girls on the site for each other when we don't / didn't have paid memberships. He just got his membership suspended b / c of doing this. It does violate the terms of service, actually, they obviously want to do everything they can to get our $. This is the first I heard of this happening, he thinks it was b / c the POT reported him. He was able to reinstate his membership by pleading and promising not to do it again. But you should not assume that this is a strategy for the future.For sure, don't violate the TOS again. His account is now flagged. Another offense will result in a permanent ban. Seeking seems to be getting better at linking new accounts to prior ones, so opening a new account might be difficult.
If you look at the development tools on your account page, it shows you your account status, prior complaints, etc.
RegularJoe1985
09-29-19, 19:20
For sure, don't violate the TOS again. His account is now flagged. Another offense will result in a permanent ban. Seeking seems to be getting better at linking new accounts to prior ones, so opening a new account might be difficult.
If you look at the development tools on your account page, it shows you your account status, prior complaints, etc.I looked at profile and was wondering where you see prior complaints. Am curious if I have anything there.
I looked at profile and was wondering where you see prior complaints. Am curious if I have anything there.Take a look at the developer's tools on your Seeking account. You can see the notes and flags Seeking employees have tagged to your account.
This poster in the Richmond forum explains how to view the data:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3939986&viewfull=1#post3939986.
I added a line to my profile and it was rejected as a violation of the TOS. The line said please don't send doctored pictures, there shouldn't be any big surprises at our first meeting. I didn't get banned and there was no warning, just a rejection of the new line. So I read through the TOS and for the life of me I can't figure out how I violated them. I guess SB's are entitled to bait and switch tactics!
For sure, don't violate the TOS again. His account is now flagged. Another offense will result in a permanent ban. Seeking seems to be getting better at linking new accounts to prior ones, so opening a new account might be difficult.
If you look at the development tools on your account page, it shows you your account status, prior complaints, etc.
I added a line to my profile and it was rejected as a violation of the TOS. The line said please don't send doctored pictures, there shouldn't be any big surprises at our first meeting. I didn't get banned and there was no warning, just a rejection of the new line. So I read through the TOS and for the life of me I can't figure out how I violated them. I guess SB's are entitled to bait and switch tactics!It never hurts to email customer service and ask what was the problem. Seeking usually responds quickly to emails.
Maybe kiss their butt a little and let them know how much you like the site, and want to make sure not to do anything wrong. They gave me a free month once when I had an issue.
I can't find the address right now, but it is a few pages back on this forum.
RegularJoe1985
10-01-19, 06:12
Take a look at the developer's tools on your Seeking account. You can see the notes and flags Seeking employees have tagged to your account.
This poster in the Richmond forum explains how to view the data:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3939986&viewfull=1#post3939986.Yes, am aware of how to look at data.
Wondering what tags - (Data: Value pair) is OP referring to:
Has_xxxx_punishment.
Has_xxx_punishment etc.
Yes, am aware of how to look at data.
Wondering what tags - (Data: Value pair) is OP referring to:
Has_xxxx_punishment.
Has_xxx_punishment etc.When I made Seeking angry, this was what was displayed for me: has_unacknowledged_punishment: true.
When I contacted them and made them happy, it changed to "1".
RegularJoe1985
10-03-19, 05:51
When I made Seeking angry, this was what was displayed for me: has_unacknowledged_punishment: true.
When I contacted them and made them happy, it changed to "1".Thanks, that is what I was looking for.
Mine has false, So was thinking that if value is True then member might be suspended.
But if yours is 1 then perhaps it is one strike for you. I guess.
Anybody know how to get a fake std result online?
Under what circumstances would you want to get fake results? Not accusing but are you trying to pass an std to someone?
Bam.
Anybody know how to get a fake std result online?
Thanks, that is what I was looking for.
Mine has false, So was thinking that if value is True then member might be suspended.
But if yours is 1 then perhaps it is one strike for you. I guess.That's my guess.
No one else, as far as I know, has chimed in on this issue.
I do know, based on reading other's posts, that's it's becoming increasingly difficult to register after being banned. So, I'm erring on the side of good, and not trying to make Seeking upset.
Once you are off the Seeking site, and using a burner, I think it's safe to talk about $, etc.
Under what circumstances would you want to get fake results? I had an SB ask me for one a week after the fact. She's in an open relationship an told her BF she never does BBFS with any guys she meets online, but he read her texts and he won't fuck her for 6 weeks unless he is sure she won't pass something along.
I'm married, can't really go ducking into the Free Clinic in a small town, and if I had anything, my wife would have cut my dick off long ago. So I can see why the risk would justify.
Plus I've had SBs offer BBFS if I show up with recent test results. Since name and identifying info would be redacted, its a pretty pointless request in either case.
I had an SB ask me for one a week after the fact. She's in an open relationship an told her BF she never does BBFS with any guys she meets online, but he read her texts and he won't fuck her for 6 weeks unless he is sure she won't pass something along.
I'm married, can't really go ducking into the Free Clinic in a small town, and if I had anything, my wife would have cut my dick off long ago. So I can see why the risk would justify.
Plus I've had SBs offer BBFS if I show up with recent test results. Since name and identifying info would be redacted, its a pretty pointless request in either case.There are several inexpensive places from which you can obtain STD testing without providing an ID or Dr's request.
Check out AnyLabTestNow.com (yes, it's a drive up to Fredricksburg), or sites like www.stdcheck.com will send you to the nearest Quest Labs office for a blood draw and urine sample.
If you are concerned about a spouse finding out about the results, get a UPS Store address and use it for the testing place, and get a disposable email address to receive the results.
You shouldn't pay more than about $60 for a full STD test.
You can even put down a fake name on the test if you take the time to use a burner phone, and "forget" to bring your I'd to the lab when you do the blood and urine draws. Once the tech sees that you ordered the test yourself, they won't be worried about the I'd. They only care about I'd if an employer or Dr. Ordered the test.
Maybe its just me, but I can no longer view this data. Have they fixed this? Anybody still able to view messages this way?
Yes, am aware of how to look at data.
Wondering what tags - (Data: Value pair) is OP referring to:
Has_xxxx_punishment.
Has_xxx_punishment etc.
I had an SB ask me for one a week after the fact. She's in an open relationship an told her BF she never does BBFS with any guys she meets online, but he read her texts and he won't fuck her for 6 weeks unless he is sure she won't pass something along.
I'm married, can't really go ducking into the Free Clinic in a small town, and if I had anything, my wife would have cut my dick off long ago. So I can see why the risk would justify.
Plus I've had SBs offer BBFS if I show up with recent test results. Since name and identifying info would be redacted, its a pretty pointless request in either case.I use healthtestingcenters dot com. Order the tests and go to labCorp or quest. No deep dick swabs now, just urine and blood, results in a few days, free Dr consult for Rx if you pop positive for bacterial.
Google why the HSV test can be skipped and then skip it.
I use healthtestingcenters dot com. Order the tests and go to labCorp or quest. No deep dick swabs now, just urine and blood, results in a few days, free Dr consult for Rx if you pop positive for bacterial.
Google why the HSV test can be skipped and then skip it.Does anyone know of these online STD test centers can legally add your DNA to a database? Not that I have ever done anything serious enough to worry about law enforcement having it, I just like to understand my privacy rights. I know that pretty much if you chew gum and throw the gum away, your DNA is technically available to anyone who wants to test it -- most people won't due to cost, but these testing centers can do it cheaply.
Any Intel on this? Chatting with her, no $ discussion yet and was thinking to do M&g. But her pics give me pro-vibes and doesn't seem worth it.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ce82a155-d2fd-434d-87a2-6bdd8273e577
$60 for full test?? I checked out both sites, and they are easily $200-$300. Any insight about the $60 place?
There are several inexpensive places from which you can obtain STD testing without providing an ID or Dr's request.
Check out AnyLabTestNow.com (yes, it's a drive up to Fredricksburg), or sites like www.stdcheck.com will send you to the nearest Quest Labs office for a blood draw and urine sample.
If you are concerned about a spouse finding out about the results, get a UPS Store address and use it for the testing place, and get a disposable email address to receive the results.
You shouldn't pay more than about $60 for a full STD test.
You can even put down a fake name on the test if you take the time to use a burner phone, and "forget" to bring your I'd to the lab when you do the blood and urine draws. Once the tech sees that you ordered the test yourself, they won't be worried about the I'd. They only care about I'd if an employer or Dr. Ordered the test.
$60 for full test?? I checked out both sites, and they are easily $200-$300. Any insight about the $60 place?That's the retail price. Once I give them my insurance card, the price drops to $60 or so.
$60 for full test?? I checked out both sites, and they are easily $200-$300. Any insight about the $60 place?Looks like Lemonaid does a basic for $55 without insurance.
https://www.lemonaidhealth.com/services/std-testing
JustLonely
10-05-19, 18:59
$60 for full test?? I checked out both sites, and they are easily $200-$300. Any insight about the $60 place?$60 will only get you a gonorrhea and chlamydia test. At STDcheck.com its $180 for a complete 10 test. I got mine in Richmond. The lab took 4 vials of blood and a urine sample. The nurse said lab samples are picked up around 1 pm and go to a testing lab in NC. I got my results in 48 hours by email. I blackened out my last name and other info from the PDF I printed. Then I showed to the 18 year VCU gal who requested I get one before she would do FS. She was surprised I actually got it and she kept her promise.
Between not always using a condom and lots of DATY, I was happy to see everything was clean. Despite catching a STD a few years back and being successfully treated for it, I have slipped back into more risky sex after saying I was going to more careful.
https://www.seeking.com/member/12d257de-6cdb-4fee-8925-f8fa8d6ab138
Anyone have any experience with her in any way.
https://www.seeking.com/member/12d257de-6cdb-4fee-8925-f8fa8d6ab138
Anyone have any experience with her in any way.She has had the same pictures for close to 3 years, last time I contacted wanted 4 $ per meet DTF but thought it was way more than what she might be worth so did not partake.
$60 will only get you a gonorrhea and chlamydia test. At STDcheck.com .......Despite catching a STD a few years back and being successfully treated for it, I have slipped back into more risky sex after saying I was going to more careful.Same here.
You simply just can't resist the urge to fuck these hot young 18 & 19 year old RAW.
ItsAHobby45
10-09-19, 18:39
Same here.
You simply just can't resist the urge to fuck these hot young 18 & 19 year old RAW.I'm right there with you. It's worth rolling the dice just to feel that 18-19 fresh meat. I always regret it when I'm done going in raw but those 10 minutes are so with the stress afterwards.
We might all want to stay covered.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/stds-on-the-rise-cases-of-3-common-infections-reach-all-time-highs-in-the-us/ar-AAIty30?ocid=spartandhp
I'm right there with you. It's worth rolling the dice just to feel that 18-19 fresh meat. I always regret it when I'm done going in raw but those 10 minutes are so with the stress afterwards..
BlueEyedMan58
10-09-19, 23:54
Anybody ever had any success with a girl who "favorites" you out of the blue? Obviously not the ones in Vladivostok or Manilla, but ones in your own city? Also not the ones who are 40+ and not all that attractive looking for a life-mate or whatever. But cute college age hotties, usually with minimal bios. My guess is I get 2-3 of those a week, I message about half of them thanking them for the designation and asking if they'd like to meet. At that point it's 90% crickets, and as I sit here thinking about 6 years on and off of SA, I can't recall a single FC trip that began with a girl favoriting me. Anybody else do better?
Anybody ever had any success with a girl who "favorites" you out of the blue? Obviously not the ones in Vladivostok or Manilla, but ones in your own city? Also not the ones who are 40+ and not all that attractive looking for a life-mate or whatever. But cute college age hotties, usually with minimal bios. My guess is I get 2-3 of those a week, I message about half of them thanking them for the designation and asking if they'd like to meet. At that point it's 90% crickets, and as I sit here thinking about 6 years on and off of SA, I can't recall a single FC trip that began with a girl favoriting me. Anybody else do better?I've had success with a few girls doing that, but their profiles were detailed. Not the single sentence ones.
I also think that when a legitimate SB favorites you, it's their way of swiping right like they would do on Tinder.
90% crickets isn't a big deal. You're looking for the 10% who answer. That's pretty normal on SA. Or any dating app. Women on sites like SA are overwhelmed with messages. Be happy they notice you are real, and respond. Many of them are fooled by scammers who use fake pics and make big promises.
I agree about avoiding the 40+ ones on SA. Anyone looking for a soul make on SA isn't playing with a full deck of cards.
It's fun to stick your dick in crazy. But not 40+ crazy.
From report:
"For each of those three diseases, rates in the District of Columbia were higher than all states. ".
We might all want to stay covered.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/stds-on-the-rise-cases-of-3-common-infections-reach-all-time-highs-in-the-us/ar-AAIty30?ocid=spartandhp
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From report:
"For each of those three diseases, rates in the District of Columbia were higher than all states. ".Thanks, Bill.
HappyHunter44
10-10-19, 15:36
Here is the follow-up report on my SA experience.
It is clear that some did not get why I am writing this. It is definitely not to keep score with anyone or think I have to report back every girl I nail or don't nail.
This is for newbies to see the results of a specific process used by another newbie and for them to take pieces that may work for them. It is much easier to have a system that one can see what someone did step-by-step and ascertain if it might work for you. In short, there is much value in seeing a process and the results of the process with the given steps in between.
Of course, others are free to chime in and state their different opinions and experiences, as they have been doing. These differences have increased value when one can put it into a personal system and judge the outcome by changing a step or two.
Here is the link to my first report from back in August:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4421087#post4421087.
Here are links to my answering a couple questions:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4422301#post4422301.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4422327#post4422327.
I will start from where I am currently and explain in reverse how I got here.
Numbering continues from earlier post in August:
15. I am no longer on SA, as I let my membership lapse after only one month. Simply, there was no need for me to be on there anymore. At least for now.
16. In one month, I have 2 active SBs, 1 who I have a first FC date in 2 days, and 2 who I am still working on to meet. (Total of 5).
17. It took 32 days from my signing up to my first FC date. Had 7 other sure chances much earlier than that but turned those down because of basic GPS. They were not worth what they were asking. Based on my standards that is. I already stated in other posts what type of babes I like and that I would never pay higher than 2 Benjamins for any babe.
18. The best experience so far was a double-header in same night. Met one SB for a 2-hour session in the FC - (SB #1 details. Really cool chick, 19 and slender and literally does everything that is asked of her. Interesting in that she is incredibly smart. She is always on time and checks in the day of the meet without prompting and and is just fun). Blew loads deep in her both times.
After that session, took a 2 1/2 hr break and SB #2 arrives at the FC. This was to be only a meet and greet with no horizontal dancing. Just to meet and talk to see if we get along. I am not interested in girls I do not like. Been there done that on BP and CL. I brought her a bottle of wine as a gift ($10). We agreed in advance there was to be no sex. Which was fine by me because I already knew I would have fun before she showed up. She does not even take off her jacket for like 10 minutes as we talk and I keep my physical distance showing respect.
I have no idea when she switched mindsets or why, but I soon realized that her jacket was off, her shoes off and also her sock-like stockings were off and she sat up further on the bed. I really did not pay it any mind because we were watching this movie while talking and I figured she was liking the movie. Since I had agreed to no sex earlier that day in a text, I was just feeling her personality out. She was very smiley and a bit talkative, but not in an annoying way.
The next thing I know she slides over a bit to the side of the bed I was on and places her bare feet up against my leg. I placed my hands on her feet and rubbed bit, but nothing crazy. Next thing I know she lays down next to me while still watching the movie. Well, it is clear what is up, but I said to her - "We agreed on not doing anything and I am only expecting to meet and greet and that I did not come prepared for anything else. " And that is true. I never travel with I'd or more money than agreed to the FC (I check in then lock I'd, wallet etc in car), so I had zero $ because I gave all money to SB #1 three hours before. She then slides up even closer to my face and says she remembers our conversation, but sometimes the unexpected happens. She then kisses me and does not stop.
Next thing I know its 60 minutes of intense FC action with me blowing another load inside this one. After, she takes shower, we talk for another 30 minutes and she leaves with the wine never asking about money and happy as as a lark saying how good it was and what a nice night she had. Also texts me when she got home safely. I texted her and said I will catch her next time (meaning some $) and she says she knew I would do that. Give her credit. She read me correctly. (SB #2 - 28, slightly older than I set out to go for, not as super slender like the first one, but in great athletic shape and fucks like a champ. Awesome kisser.).
19. Have had a total of 5 hard meet and greets scheduled. 4 went off as planned and 1 ghosted me at the meet-up place. I cannot complain. So far 80% meet and greet success rate. I do not pay for meet and greets. Only pay when clothes have come off. I also do not schedule meet and greets all over the place. I scope out heavily with texts first and weed out, as much as possible, the not serious ones. One of the meet and greets I told girl thanks, but no thanks. Misrepresented her pics big time.
As one poster pointed out, it is smarter to schedule FC meet ups close to the date - 2 days out max, which increases success rate. In my case though, the 2 SBs I am doing both plan a week in advance and do follow through without issue so far. So, responsible ones are out there in terms of scheduling.
20. Had 3 other tentative meet and greets (nothing firm set, just a potential day to meet) - these 3 ghosted me 1 to 2 days prior, so that was that. I do not count those as anything because never had anything concretely planned and I did not change any plans to be with them. And in those cases, the SBs never checked back into their accounts for like 1-3 weeks and after that just disappeared. Therefore, they were not really serious in my book. Maybe they all found one SD and left, but I doubt it.
21. To get the 5 SBs I am talking to, here is the breakdown of the message count:
- Sent 158 "Intro / hello" messages.
- Of the 158, 41 never responded because they were literally gone off the site w / in 7 days of my message. Either they deactivated their accounts or never checked back in again. (I checked using another account and only 1 blocked me). Therefore, only 117 were viable SBs.
- Of the 117, I got responses from 92. (I suspect 25 no responses were either they did not like what I said in my profile and / or I have no pic. There were 4 who expressly responded that my no pic was a deal breaker).
- Of the 88 left, I got 33 to switch to text within 2 to 3 messages max. A 38% conversion to text rate. There is only one chick that I have a string longer than 4 messages. And I am still talking with her. Got her to switch to text after like 30 messages. I call her my long-term project. A shy hot-as-hell college senior. (The 55 other responses I let them know it was not good match. I based my decision on various reasons: lack of communication skills; telling me they wanted to message for a while first. How long is a while? To heck with that; obvious immaturity to the point of annoying; answering questions with tons of silly non-descript emojis; telling me platonic-only when their profile indicates otherwise; saying they never use text only SA messaging; asking me to use Kik and Snapchat instead of text).
- Of the 33,14 were no-go deals in that they had GPS and no way was I paying 250 - 300, so no meet and greet or FC was ever scheduled. It was they who brought up $$ and were upfront about "How much?" As I stated before, I never bring up $ until the meet and greet and I actually see them. So this leaves 19.
- Of the 19 left, 14 kind of just died out in that we talked but seemed impossible to schedule and I just let them go. I did not ghost, I just said get back to me when you have time. Of those 14, only 4 are still active on SA. Most profiles still up but they have not checked-in in weeks.
- Of the remaining 5, have had FC fun with 2 (now seeing regularly) and another coming on line to FC in 2 days. That is more than enough for me for now - 3 in rotation is almost too much still. 2 is optimal.
- Total days spent getting SBs from start to finish: 35 days.
22. There is an understated goldmine subset on SA. The amount of ads that say "Do not waste my time"; "Most people on here are fakes and I hope you are not one"; "Real people please"; "If you are not interested in meeting, do not message me"; "No endless texts"; etc. Is quite numerous, For the hot ones who say something like this, I make it clear I am real and ready and the response with phone number is over 95%.
23. The amount of girls who complain in their profiles not to waste their time explains bit why I got what I wanted. I do not waste time with endless texts or ghosting girls. If I do not want to meet them, I tell them so. I have gotten several texts thanking me for my honesty. Seriously, what I have found is just be real, keep your meet and greet date, and tell them upfront what's up. By simply doing this, your chances go up a lot.
24. I mentioned earlier that I do not talk $$ in my messages or texts and I tell SBs I will discuss $ only in person. However, if pushed for something on the $ front, I do say I do ppm, which 90%+ of the SBs seem to prefer. At least, where I am they prefer ppm. Cannot speak for other areas. So, while not discussing actual $$, I do make clear that ppm is on the table; therefore, they know that will be part of the meet and greet discussions. I do not deal wth SBs who want allowances.
25. I have been hit on by a couple who want to go out to dinner etc and get to know me etc. I passed on those. I am not into the free dinner crowd, and I bet majority of these are scammers of some type. Even if that means just dinner and then ghost you. That in my book is a scam if they know you want more than that.
26. Unlike actual hookers on BP and CL, 99% of SBs cannot host. At least in my area. That does put a lot more into the planning required. Lining up hotel, parking car away from the hotel, paying for the hotel in a way that is hidden (I do have an SO). If hotel rooms / sneaking around that way is tough for you, then SA probably is not for you. Also, in my area, they all have jobs or are in school full-time, which makes scheduling tough. I weed these time-sinks out because I have no time to waste just trying to meet.
27. One key thing that makes this easier for me is I do not set up anything that is specifically for an SB. None are worth that time or energy. That is, if an SB flakes on me (which I expect to happen), I already have something else I must be doing in the area, so my time is not wasted. Like the one who ghosted me at the meet-up. I had to be in that exact area that day already and at that time. And I never get the room until the SB is in my company, so no advance FC payment $ can be ghosted away.
28. What are these girls' boyfriends doing? It's like cuck-central out here. Everyone of the SBs have a boyfriend and still let me CIP with no issue. Seriously though, keep head on a swivel based on this. Who knows when their SO might find out. In my discussions, 90% of SBs have boyfriends. A couple are engaged.
29. Total $ spent for 8+ hours of FC fun so far is $674. This includes SA membership for 1 month, FC costs and SB payments. I was able to negotiate $100 ppm with each SB for 2 - 3 hrs. And so far each has spent 2+ hours at the FC. One was 4 hours total because we went to a happy hour before. Total includes $10 for bottle of wine, a coffee, a soda and the $25 Happy Hour bill. (As for FC, found a great little place that agreed to give me a king-size bed and room for $65 Sunday - Wednesday nights, so that is 4 cheap available nights each week. Gives me same room each time).
30. So, how do I get away with $100 ppm? Simple, I show up. Each SB I have met / talked to so far has said that 85 - 90% of guys ghost them AFTER agreeing to meet and setting a date, time, place and a ppm rate. (Explains No. 22 and 23 above). Therefore, relatively, I am a great deal because I show up, never waste their time, they actually get $ plus have a good time to boot.
In closing, I still do not know any of their names and they do not know mine. We spend all this time together, in the FC banging, shower together, yet no names or personal info ever used. I did check the I'd of the 19 yr old. Looked so young, but she hid her name and address when she showed me her license. Also, we all agreed if we meet in public to simply ignore each other if we are with other people. Flash a quick smile, sure, but nothing else.
Many thanks again to all the seniors and posters that helped me on this. I must say my money and one month have been well-spent because I avoided many of the pitfalls which would befall a newbie in the bowl. I am still a newbie, but got tons of guidance from this thread to literally mimic a veteran. When these SBs dry up, as they eventually will, I will re-up for another month and do it again.
Excellent report. I've had similar experiences, except one I met has become a keeper, going on 9 months now. Realistic expectations, be honest and polite (as much as possible) and avoid the time wasters. I travel a lot, so I've sampled several markets. Charlotte, Atlanta, Knoxville and Richmond are all pretty hot with lots of SBs to choose from.
Here is the follow-up report on my SA experience.
It is clear that some did not get why I am writing this. It is definitely not to keep score with anyone or think I have to report back every girl I nail or don't nail.
(Body redacted for space)
Many thanks again to all the seniors and posters that helped me on this. I must say my money and one month have been well-spent because I avoided many of the pitfalls which would befall a newbie in the bowl. I am still a newbie, but got tons of guidance from this thread to literally mimic a veteran. When these SBs dry up, as they eventually will, I will re-up for another month and do it again.
BlueEyedMan58
10-14-19, 21:13
They never cease. Been chatting with a cute 23 yr old single mom. Based on pics, face a 7-8, body a 6 maybe-- curvy. Been hard to arrange a meeting time due to her work, and we finally agreed to meet in the parking lot of a sandwich shop near her office tomorrow during her lunch break. Then I get this email: "Do you want to have like a 30 minute conversation and see we're things go from there. I'd love to give you a blow job as well. That way you'll know I'm serious about our possible arrangement?" LOL! I'll report back.
HappyHunter44
10-14-19, 22:58
Excellent report. I've had similar experiences, except one I met has become a keeper, going on 9 months now. Realistic expectations, be honest and polite (as much as possible) and avoid the time wasters...I am already thinking of making the one 19 yr old my regular. She is kind of already, as I have seen her the most so far. Amazing the difference between 19 yr old pussy and 28 yr old pussy. Those 10 yrs do take a toll.
I agree about the polite part. Amazing how the girls react when they realize I am actually polite and not faking it. Several have mentioned it; therefore, I assume they go not get it much because it stands out to them. Time wasters. Yes, I learned to spot them based on everything I read on this thread before joining the bowl, so luckily I never had to deal with them or learn the hard way.
What is really cool about being polite and not ghosting is that I have been off the bowl now a month and in the last 3 days I have gotten texts from girls who apologized for not being good at communicating the first time around and asking would I like to try again. One is really hot, so I might. But, my dick is loving that 19 yr old.
All of this for $90. Sure beats BP, CL and STG. Especially since they spend hours riding the horse, not minutes.
Dimples572
10-16-19, 01:47
Any info on this one? Started texting and pretty quickly got her down to $$ everything bare. Agreed to meet that evening but only had about an hour so made arrangements to meet tomorrow at her place. Anyone else have a scouting report?
https://www.seeking.com/member/0c22da77-cf74-4592-8f8c-de507beb672e
ItsAHobby45
10-16-19, 11:18
Any info on this one? Started texting and pretty quickly got her down to $$ everything bare. Agreed to meet that evening but only had about an hour so made arrangements to meet tomorrow at her place. Anyone else have a scouting report?
https://www.seeking.com/member/0c22da77-cf74-4592-8f8c-de507beb672eI talked to her for a bit but she game me the pro vibe or at least utr vibe which isn't my thing so I passed. Definitely report back on what you find because she's very visually appealing.
So I get this girls response after contacting her she is DTF but has an unusual request that her BF who will be in the next room -for her safety- has to be there when she meet for FC.
So when I said no she did not want anything more to with my offer.
Has this happened to anyone else how did you guys handled it, she is hot and love to take her to FC.
https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/59ab5611-d528-421e-92f6-94dea9e10dc4
Been fucking with a baby for the last few months. Told her I want to go raw and go take an STD test. Well the results came back. Everything was clean except for HSV1 (oral herpes).
Would you fuck a baby raw knowing she has oral herpes? Haven't even fucked her again (even covered) since the results. Maybe best to move on.
My understanding is that the herpes test is only valid when the herpes virus is active in the patient, and that is when the virus is contagious. But I'm not a medical professional. I wouldn't trust anyone but a known medical professional / institution with the health of my dick.
Been fucking with a baby for the last few months. Told her I want to go raw and go take an STD test. Well the results came back. Everything was clean except for HSV1 (oral herpes).
Would you fuck a baby raw knowing she has oral herpes? Haven't even fucked her again (even covered) since the results. Maybe best to move on.
Geechie Dan
10-16-19, 18:31
Been fucking with a baby for the last few months. Told her I want to go raw and go take an STD test. Well the results came back. Everything was clean except for HSV1 (oral herpes).
Would you fuck a baby raw knowing she has oral herpes? Haven't even fucked her again (even covered) since the results. Maybe best to move on.Keep it moving!! Too many fish in the sea to risk your health.
Here is the follow-up report on my SA experience.
.Great post. I will make sure to read your other posts.
Gentlemen, remember: Being polite, respectful, and honest goes a long way.
A few years ago, when Craiglist was still around. This petite white 19 yr spinner responded to my ad. She look just as hot as those Instagram model want to be. To make it short, I fucked her from when she was 19 until when she's 21. She ended it because she got a gf who's a bit wild and very jealous.
It's always been $100 per meet and there's no time limit. I keep fucking her until I can't fuck no more and send her home. I can't remember exactly how many times I cum in all of her 3 holes. She does anything and everything I wanted. I am sure if she was escorting, she could easily command 300-400 per hour.
I asked why she still keep seeing me for 100, which is hardly anything these days. She simply says that I am kind, respectful, keep my words, and make her laughs.
Sometimes, that's all a girl really want. To be treated with respect and smile.
MTWilliams911
10-16-19, 19:03
Keep it moving!! Too many fish in the sea to risk your health.67% of the people on the planet have herpes simplex Hsv-1. PM me her number. I will wear that out!
Genital herpes Hsv-2 is about 15% of the population. Herpes simplex is just cold sores and some rarely ever have an outbreak. Risk your health LOL. Not in the slightest. Google it.
Dimples572
10-16-19, 19:14
I talked to her for a bit but she game me the pro vibe or at least utr vibe which isn't my thing so I passed. Definitely report back on what you find because she's very visually appealing.We were supposed to meet today at 1:00 but she ghosted me. Never heard back. Not surprising.
Not her profile
So I get this girls response after contacting her she is DTF but has an unusual request that her BF who will be in the next room -for her safety- has to be there when she meet for FC.
So when I said no she did not want anything more to with my offer.
Has this happened to anyone else how did you guys handled it, she is hot and love to take her to FC.
https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/59ab5611-d528-421e-92f6-94dea9e10dc4.
Geechie Dan
10-16-19, 21:11
67% of the people on the planet have herpes simplex Hsv-1. PM me her number. I will wear that out!
Genital herpes Hsv-2 is about 15% of the population. Herpes simplex is just cold sores and some rarely ever have an outbreak. Risk your health LOL. Not in the slightest. Google it.I googled it and I stand by my statement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex_virus
MTWilliams911
10-16-19, 22:48
I googled it and I stand by my statement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex_virusSo odds are 67% that YOU have this virus. Most show little or no symptoms. It is widespread and of no concern says someone who graduated from medical school. Me. Get yourself and your significant other tested and SURPRISE. One or both of you are probably positive. LOL. There is a place for you in the anti-vaccine movement. The number I learned in med school (Johns Hopkins) was 60 to 80% of the US population tests positive for HSV-1 commonly known as cold sores.
As I stated PLEASE send me via PM all contacts for HSV-1 girls. I will gladly DATY and FC every one of them.
We started chatting other day, didn't get to $ but asked her to meet up and she ghosted since then.
We were supposed to meet today at 1:00 but she ghosted me. Never heard back. Not surprising.
I tend to agree with MTWilliams911 here. I actually contracted HSV-1 some time ago from sugar bowl! The funny part is I wasn't even aware of it until one of the sb I was seeing actual complained to me that her STD results came positive for HSV-1. I freaked out so got checked and dang it was positive. I knew I was super clean a while ago. So I was sure that I got it from another sb. Doc told me nothing to worry, only few cases lead to outbreaks. But still with fear, I quit sugaring for almost a year. I never showed a single symptom and had my SO checked out and came negative! Couldn't resist any longer with so many coochies out there to taste, so I returned to the bowl.
So odds are 67% that YOU have this virus. Most show little or no symptoms. It is widespread and of no concern says someone who graduated from medical school. Me. Get yourself and your significant other tested and SURPRISE. One or both of you are probably positive. LOL. There is a place for you in the anti-vaccine movement. The number I learned in med school (Johns Hopkins) was 60 to 80% of the US population tests positive for HSV-1 commonly known as cold sores.
As I stated PLEASE send me via PM all contacts for HSV-1 girls. I will gladly DATY and FC every one of them.
Did you end up meeting her?
I scheduled a meet up with both of these, hoping at-least one of them will show up. And I was wrong!
We setup a time and location. At last minute, by the time I reached the location, she asks if we can meet at some other Starbucks to which I agreed to. And I was almost at new location, get a message that "something came up and can't meet". WTF!
https://www.seeking.com/member/12d257de-6cdb-4fee-8925-f8fa8d6ab138
This one I was chatting for 2 weeks; She even complained that lot of guys ghosted on her and desperate to meet one. Scheduled a time to meet at a restaurant but no show and no response to texts. Later in the night, get a classical response, she forgot charger, phone died, came home late and so tired that she can't meet!! Total time waster.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d6befd51-a770-49e9-87cd-fc2064062a65
https://www.seeking.com/member/12d257de-6cdb-4fee-8925-f8fa8d6ab138
Anyone have any experience with her in any way.
She is DTF and sounded like fun. But baby wanted 5 bills and claimed she actually got more often. 400 was lowest she offered, so I passed.
https://www.seeking.com/member/a225682f-9e9d-d67d-0940-872c94839a5e
This one was reported before with not so great experience for 2. 5. So thought of checking out, but she didn't budge anything lower than 5. Ugh!
https://www.seeking.com/member/452247c7-8da2-46c7-883d-76652018aa43
Got the number and started texting offline; Then she says only looking for non-sexual companionship. Another time-waster.
https://www.seeking.com/member/a9fdd537-7e57-4817-a684-0bbf860a0768
So odds are 67% that YOU have this virus. Most show little or no symptoms. It is widespread and of no concern says someone who graduated from medical school. Me. Get yourself and your significant other tested and SURPRISE. One or both of you are probably positive. LOL. There is a place for you in the anti-vaccine movement. The number I learned in med school (Johns Hopkins) was 60 to 80% of the US population tests positive for HSV-1 commonly known as cold sores.
As I stated PLEASE send me via PM all contacts for HSV-1 girls. I will gladly DATY and FC every one of them.Yeah the blood test is only an antibody test so all that proves is you were exposed. The only definitive test is a pap smear kinda of test from am active cold sore. Only about 30% who test positive ever get a cold sore and most is only 1 about 2 weeks after being exposed. If your worried about herpes just lock your dick up and never let him out to play LOL.
I recently got a full panel from stdcheck, and also found out that I got HSV-1. I was surprised. In the past, I have never tested HSV as Docs did not order it as part of the test. I think I might even contracted from when I was a kid as HSV-1 can easily transmitted via skin to skin contact. (non-sexual contact) Anyway, after some research, I also agree w / MTWilliams911 and Lost Soul.
I tend to agree with MTWilliams911 here. I actually contracted HSV-1 some time ago from sugar bowl! The funny part is I wasn't even aware of it until one of the sb I was seeing actual complained to me that her STD results came positive for HSV-1. I freaked out so got checked and dang it was positive. I knew I was super clean a while ago. So I was sure that I got it from another sb. Doc told me nothing to worry, only few cases lead to outbreaks. But still with fear, I quit sugaring for almost a year. I never showed a single symptom and had my SO checked out and came negative! Couldn't resist any longer with so many coochies out there to taste, so I returned to the bowl.
Geechie Dan
10-18-19, 06:54
https://www.seeking.com/member/b3720db0-a79a-4590-948e-31302605dffa
Anyone have info on her. Pics are appealing, but she seems a little too eager to move to the FC.
Your first one chatted with her few times wanted 4 bills I passed.
Second one took her to FC she is huge way larger than her pics not repeating.
Did you end up meeting her?
I scheduled a meet up with both of these, hoping at-least one of them will show up. And I was wrong!
We setup a time and location. At last minute, by the time I reached the location, she asks if we can meet at some other Starbucks to which I agreed to. And I was almost at new location, get a message that "something came up and can't meet". WTF!
https://www.seeking.com/member/12d257de-6cdb-4fee-8925-f8fa8d6ab138
This one I was chatting for 2 weeks; She even complained that lot of guys ghosted on her and desperate to meet one. Scheduled a time to meet at a restaurant but no show and no response to texts. Later in the night, get a classical response, she forgot charger, phone died, came home late and so tired that she can't meet!! Total time waster.
Sorry here is the correct link.
https://www.seeking.com/member/02b509f1-7bcd-4182-9ad1-11991c520c89
Not her profile.
Thanks for the inputs fellows. Feel much better now.
Scheduled a meet with the baby next week at the FC.
Said she would drive an hour north on Rt 95 and might spend the night for $$ which she needed to make car payment and gas to drive north claimed to be a dancer.
https://www.seeking.com/member/23380355-003b-4a54-b23c-48e75290b403
Met the first one, went to FC, she's not into much, cute and nice body, nice person, but probably not repeating,
Did you end up meeting her?
I scheduled a meet up with both of these, hoping at-least one of them will show up. And I was wrong!
We setup a time and location. At last minute, by the time I reached the location, she asks if we can meet at some other Starbucks to which I agreed to. And I was almost at new location, get a message that "something came up and can't meet". WTF!
https://www.seeking.com/member/12d257de-6cdb-4fee-8925-f8fa8d6ab138
This one I was chatting for 2 weeks; She even complained that lot of guys ghosted on her and desperate to meet one. Scheduled a time to meet at a restaurant but no show and no response to texts. Later in the night, get a classical response, she forgot charger, phone died, came home late and so tired that she can't meet!! Total time waster.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d6befd51-a770-49e9-87cd-fc2064062a65.
Met up with princess.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d6befd51-a770-49e9-87cd-fc2064062a65.
Ask for full body pics. She's on the chubbier side. BBBJCIM, which is what I'm in to. $$. Attitude really wasn't great. Not bad but I don't think I'd repeat.
https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2c70f699-0f8c-434d-8a4e-6d30e39bc131
Cute. Asian. Nice body. Glasses. All things I am attracted to. Really boring personality though. Dtf $$ 5, but I only dreamt of some some quick car action. Bbbjtcim. $$. Really warm mouth. Seems like she could be high volume. Won't repeat.
Just realized I posted my inbox url. Here's her profile: https://www.seeking.com/member/d26e45d4-aa74-4c28-9980-5079bdfcd62d.
https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2c70f699-0f8c-434d-8a4e-6d30e39bc131
Cute. Asian. Nice body. Glasses. All things I am attracted to. Really boring personality though. Dtf $$ 5, but I only dreamt of some some quick car action. Bbbjtcim. $$. Really warm mouth. Seems like she could be high volume. Won't repeat.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d7dcaee2-beec-4248-9291-0fd143d95420
Says her and her friend will meet in the FC for 5 bills each. Seems legit and definitely tempting, but way above my budget.
JustLonely
10-20-19, 10:01
https://www.seeking.com/member/d7dcaee2-beec-4248-9291-0fd143d95420
Says her and her friend will meet in the FC for 5 bills each. Seems legit and definitely tempting, but way above my budget.I've met a lot of 18 year olds in the FC over the years. Never found one that would be worth five bills. I'd say 90 percent of them were so inexperienced that they needed some coaching in one thing or another. Of course some guys may like that aspect depending on why teens appeal to them.
Geechie Dan
10-20-19, 11:23
Disclaimer: I can't post link to her profile because she blocked me already. LOL.
I did a M & G with CodeNameBB today, and everything was ok. I had no intention of perusing her further because I got the impression her allowance expectations were going to be too high for my taste. As we were wrapping up the m&g and about to go our separate ways she asked if I had a gift for her. First of all I never give a gift at the m&g. Second thing is that it was never discussed, because if it had come up prior to meeting then we would have never met.
I told her that I didn't have a gift and that we hadn't discussed it. She agreed we hadn't talked about it prior, but said we could fix that. "What do you mean 'we can fix that'" I said very astonished. She said we could stop by an ATM. And THAT'S how the Meet 'and Greet ended! She said a gift would show her I'm serious. The fact that I showed up at the m&g shows I'm serious.
She had just implied that arrangements shouldn't seem transactional and then she wants me to get her a "gift" from the ATM. How transactional is that?
ItsAHobby45
10-20-19, 12:47
https://www.seeking.com/member/d7dcaee2-beec-4248-9291-0fd143d95420
Says her and her friend will meet in the FC for 5 bills each. Seems legit and definitely tempting, but way above my budget.Are you sure she was interested in something sexual? She told me she would gladly meet me for $$ but has no interest in anything physical with anyone.
If you do a reverse image search, it pulls up an online add for Jean's from Urban Outiffters in Canada.
https://www.seeking.com/member/d7dcaee2-beec-4248-9291-0fd143d95420
Says her and her friend will meet in the FC for 5 bills each. Seems legit and definitely tempting, but way above my budget.
ItsAHobby45
10-20-19, 18:56
I'd avoid this one at all cost. We talked and she seemed really normal but was very quick to move the conversation to the when and how much subject. We agreed on an amount $$ and she was able to host in her shared apartment in downtown Richmond. She sent several nudes and they were very appealing so I took the plunge. I arrived at her apartment and we were alone although she said she hosts when her roommates are home also. Physically she looks like her pics in her profile but naked her body definitely wasn't as fit as the nudes she sent. We had agreed on bb and everything was on the table. Started with BBBJ which was absolutely the worst BJ I've ever had. She has the worst gag reflex I've ever seen and twice I thought she was going to completely vomit on me. I quickly decided to use a condom because she gave me a strong utr or even pro vibe so I strapped it on and went in mish and finished. Got dressed and handed her the money and left.
She texted me later and said it was fun and when can we do it again. I explained to her I was unhappy and that I wouldn't see her again for $$ and we'd have to renegotiate as I'd still be open to seeing her for quick visits just because it's convenient and she hosts. She got super offended and went crazy on me threatening me ect. I blocked her. See her at your own risk guys.
https://www.seeking.com/member/f37193fb-588e-4af0-9243-e1cfd32ac3ad
Yeah, that's how the conversation started with me too. $$ for lunch. Hah!
I just kept at it and she opened up. 10 bills (5 each) was just too much. The pic on her profile is not her, but she looks similar. White, slim, shorter than her profile says though. We were texting and she sent pics of her and her friend who is short, slim, AA, and cute. Some guys can swing 1 K like it's no big deal; I'm just not one of them.
Good luck if you reach out and please report back!
Are you sure she was interested in something sexual? She told me she would gladly meet me for $$ but has no interest in anything physical with anyone.
ItsAHobby45
10-21-19, 18:23
Yeah, that's how the conversation started with me too. $$ for lunch. Hah!
I just kept at it and she opened up. 10 bills (5 each) was just too much. The pic on her profile is not her, but she looks similar. White, slim, shorter than her profile says though. We were texting and she sent pics of her and her friend who is short, slim, AA, and cute. Some guys can swing 1 K like it's no big deal; I'm just not one of them.
Good luck if you reach out and please report back!Talked to her again. She's agreed to a HJ for 5 bills but says that all she's willing to do. Definitely seems like a waste of time considering there are many 19-22 college girls willing to go to FC for half that. I left 18 off that lost because that's my unicorn that I just can't seem to nail down. I've had almost 19-22 yo in the FC in the 6 weeks I've been on SA but I can't seem to bag a 18. Anyone wants to point me in the direction I'd greatly appreciate it.
BlueEyedMan58
10-22-19, 00:39
Been in kind of a dry spell lately. Down to two regulars, one (a 23 yr old waitress) I just have no appetite for right now for reasons unknown, the other (28 yr old caregiver) was in her "time" last week. Had 4 m / g's scheduled -- 3 flakes and one who was willing to FC for the smallest of gifts, but just did nothing for me so I passed. Then Sunday had a very quick m / g with a 34 old stunner / spinner who turned out to be 5 X better looking than her pics. Tall, trim, blonde. Daisy Mae tight blue jean shorts, bare midriff and not an ounce of fat on her belly. FC date at her place for tomorrow morning for "whatever I feel comfortable with. " Why am I (twice her age and no George Clooney to be sure) so blessed? Well, she said, "if a guy's not bad looking and treats me nicely and can make me laugh, Sent me her address tonight, so I'm pretty sure this is real.
Plus in a demonstration of how crazy this world of young pie makes me (us?) I'm trying to schedule 2 m / gs with a 28 year old hottie and a 21 year old total stunner for tomorrow afternoon. In one sense being retired sucks, because I don't have business meetings and travel and such as cover, but on the other hand I can often meet these girls mornings and afternoons when no one else can.
So, things are looking up.
ItsAHobby45
10-22-19, 12:53
Baileybaby99.
Can't meet until Jan 2 when her mom gets off vacation but would love for you to send her money for living expenses and baby items. Doesn't have a car or a phone. Time waster.
https://www.seeking.com/member/0a8a771e-96f9-4d9c-97ac-796068d4a29f
Lilync.
VCU student. Tried hard to get this one to meet me. I'd pay just about anything for this one. We moved to text and she seemed to be interested and agreed to a meeting once things settled down with school. I questioned if she was even real and she sent me a custom picture with my name written on a piece of paper. We texted for a few days and she ghosted. I've tried to communicate with her again with zero luck. Maybe you guys will have more luck. She logs in regularly on SA so she's still active.
https://www.seeking.com/member/b955b1f0-641c-4d09-9eba-2b2b351621a9
Mia1254.
Mia is a community college student in Richmond. We talked via text about meeting and things kind of went cold for a while even though she is my perfect type. She sent other pictures so I knew she was real. After not talking to her for a week or two I sent a random message saying I'd pay her $$$$ to meet up with her. She quickly accepted and she met me in the FC the next afternoon. She's a very sweet girl. We spent a few hours together. It was true GFE. We talked and laughed and had a great time. Eventually we got to business and it was great. Her head game is amazing and she let me go in raw and in any position I wanted. She was perfectly fine with cip. I've met with her 2 times since and had great experiences both times. I've debated keeping her as my regular dtf but at $$$$ I think I can fine a better value. If you guys are able to land this one please treat her good as she is very sweet.
https://www.seeking.com/member/2cc1d3f8-5ad9-415c-96b3-faca0705ae6f
Toocharmy4 u.
She's been reviewed before when she had a different SA account but I'll review her again. This girl is dtf and hosts in her apartment. I think she's more of an utr but she actually has a professional job so idk. She's a bit more weathered than her profile picture suggests but she still has a nice body and is actually a pretty nice girl. I've seen her 4-5 times and she's open to anything you want to do to her and is fine with everything raw as long as no cip. Our first meeting was $$ and all the subsequent ones were only $. Her head game is good but that's always a bit rushed. She will take a pounding in any position you want to give it to her and actually asked me to try to back 9 one time which was decent but not really my thing. I planned to use her as a cheap fix whenever I was traveling up north as she lives just north of Richmond right off i95 but the last time I went to her house I walked in and her daughter was there which is a big no no for me. To make matters worse she walked me upstairs and into her daughters bed because her mattress was downstairs in the living room for some reason. This just made me feel very uncomfortable so I won't see her again. Be forewarned, after you see her the first time she will hit you up for money towards future visits and use her daughter as the reason for needing $25 here and there. I always helped her and sent money via Venmo and to her defense she was always asking me to come see her so she could get caught up on what was owed. She never flaked on me.
https://www.seeking.com/member/258717c6-04ea-4827-8603-690db2fecb9d
I'll review some of my others that I have taken to the FC as I have more time. I'll also review the time wasters and pic sellers. Be safe guys.
RavensFan2012
10-22-19, 20:27
Baileybaby99.
Can't meet until Jan 2 when her mom gets off vacation but would love for you to send her money for living expenses and baby items. Doesn't have a car or a phone. Time waster.
https://www.seeking.com/member/0a8a771e-96f9-4d9c-97ac-796068d4a29f
Lilync.
VCU student. Tried hard to get this one to meet me. I'd pay just about anything for this one. We moved to text and she seemed to be interested and agreed to a meeting once things settled down with school. I questioned if she was even real and she sent me a custom picture with my name written on a piece of paper. We texted for a few days and she ghosted. I've tried to communicate with her again with zero luck. Maybe you guys will have more luck. She logs in regularly on SA so she's still active.
https://www.seeking.com/member/b955b1f0-641c-4d09-9eba-2b2b351621a9
Mia1254.
Mia is a community college student in Richmond. We talked via text about meeting and things kind of went cold for a while even though she is my perfect type. She sent other pictures so I knew she was real. After not talking to her for a week or two I sent a random message saying I'd pay her $$$$ to meet up with her. She quickly accepted and she met me in the FC the next afternoon. She's a very sweet girl. We spent a few hours together. It was true GFE. We talked and laughed and had a great time. Eventually we got to business and it was great. Her head game is amazing and she let me go in raw and in any position I wanted. She was perfectly fine with cip. I've met with her 2 times since and had great experiences both times. I've debated keeping her as my regular dtf but at $$$$ I think I can fine a better value. If you guys are able to land this one please treat her good as she is very sweet.
https://www.seeking.com/member/2cc1d3f8-5ad9-415c-96b3-faca0705ae6f
Toocharmy4 u.
She's been reviewed before when she had a different SA account but I'll review her again. This girl is dtf and hosts in her apartment. I think she's more of an utr but she actually has a professional job so idk. She's a bit more weathered than her profile picture suggests but she still has a nice body and is actually a pretty nice girl. I've seen her 4-5 times and she's open to anything you want to do to her and is fine with everything raw as long as no cip. Our first meeting was $$ and all the subsequent ones were only $. Her head game is good but that's always a bit rushed. She will take a pounding in any position you want to give it to her and actually asked me to try to back 9 one time which was decent but not really my thing. I planned to use her as a cheap fix whenever I was traveling up north as she lives just north of Richmond right off i95 but the last time I went to her house I walked in and her daughter was there which is a big no no for me. To make matters worse she walked me upstairs and into her daughters bed because her mattress was downstairs in the living room for some reason. This just made me feel very uncomfortable so I won't see her again. Be forewarned, after you see her the first time she will hit you up for money towards future visits and use her daughter as the reason for needing $25 here and there. I always helped her and sent money via Venmo and to her defense she was always asking me to come see her so she could get caught up on what was owed. She never flaked on me.
https://www.seeking.com/member/258717c6-04ea-4827-8603-690db2fecb9d
I'll review some of my others that I have taken to the FC as I have more time. I'll also review the time wasters and pic sellers. Be safe guys.I had the exact same experience with lilync so she's either waiting for Ryan Reynolds or is just a time waster.
ItsAHobby45
10-22-19, 20:30
I had the exact same experience with lilync so she's either waiting for Ryan Reynolds or is just a time waster.It's such a shame. We talked via text for a long time so o really though I was making progress. I've been after her since I initially signed up for SA. I'd probably pay her 1 k for a long evening with her just because she's been my goal for so long.
It's such a shame. We talked via text for a long time so o really though I was making progress. I've been after her since I initially signed up for SA. I'd probably pay her 1 k for a long evening with her just because she's been my goal for so long.Same experience. Also sent pictures and talked about getting together but when it came time to schedule. Ghost or something came up. Best of luck! Might just be around for online entertainment and to waste time.
ItsAHobby45
10-23-19, 09:01
1 k!! Of-course that kinda money should get you true GFE and whatever you want. No wonder why girls aren't budging lately when they can find high-roller POTs like you. LOL.I'm very aware that I'll infect this girl with GPS if I'm able to seal the deal for 1 k and it's very unfortunate because I'd only see her once for that much $. She just happened to be my very first target when I got started with this hobby so I don't think I'll be content until I reach that goal. Unfortunately for me she won't respond to texts / messages from me at all so I think I'll just have to accept defeat. The site is just so full or 22-25 yo girls that are seasoned in the bowl and I've grown bored of them and the number of 18-19 yo that are interested in anything physical is just so limited. Every 18-19 yo I message either doesn't read the message or just wants a platonic relationship and to sell pics / vids.
Edit: I just noticed you quoted me about Mia and not Lily. I paid Mia 4$ each of the 3 times I met her. Not 1k.
My bad. Some reason I read it as 1 K; probably my morning blues; Haha.
I'm very aware that I'll infect this girl with GPS if I'm able to seal the deal for 1 k and it's very unfortunate because I'd only see her once for that much $. She just happened to be my very first target when I got started with this hobby so I don't think I'll be content until I reach that goal. Unfortunately for me she won't respond to texts / messages from me at all so I think I'll just have to accept defeat. The site is just so full or 22-25 yo girls that are seasoned in the bowl and I've grown bored of them and the number of 18-19 yo that are interested in anything physical is just so limited. Every 18-19 yo I message either doesn't read the message or just wants a platonic relationship and to sell pics / vids.
Edit: I just noticed you quoted me about Mia and not Lily. I paid Mia 4$ each of the 3 times I met her. Not 1k..
Never tried the sugar bowl before but thinking of giving it a shot. I always assumed I needed a lot more money but based on the posts I'm reading, it looks like it's not what I thought. I do have one question though, what is an FC? I read back a few pages but couldn't quite figure out what it means. I kept coming back to Fun (Fuck) cabin. Do some of you own a place that you can bring girls to? I would have to rely on hotels, AirBnB or car dates.
Thanks.
RR.
Never tried the sugar bowl before but thinking of giving it a shot. I always assumed I needed a lot more money but based on the posts I'm reading, it looks like it's not what I thought. I do have one question though, what is an FC? I read back a few pages but couldn't quite figure out what it means. I kept coming back to Fun (Fuck) cabin. Do some of you own a place that you can bring girls to? I would have to rely on hotels, AirBnB or car dates.
Thanks.
RR.Fuck Chamber. Wherever you bang them, your place, hotel, apartment, etc.
Never tried the sugar bowl before but thinking of giving it a shot. I always assumed I needed a lot more money but based on the posts I'm reading, it looks like it's not what I thought. I do have one question though, what is an FC? I read back a few pages but couldn't quite figure out what it means. I kept coming back to Fun (Fuck) cabin. Do some of you own a place that you can bring girls to? I would have to rely on hotels, AirBnB or car dates.
Thanks.
RR.In addition to $ you will need a lot of time and patience, especially with the young SBs. Good luck.
ItsAHobby45
10-23-19, 16:58
Never tried the sugar bowl before but thinking of giving it a shot. I always assumed I needed a lot more money but based on the posts I'm reading, it looks like it's not what I thought. I do have one question though, what is an FC? I read back a few pages but couldn't quite figure out what it means. I kept coming back to Fun (Fuck) cabin. Do some of you own a place that you can bring girls to? I would have to rely on hotels, AirBnB or car dates.
Thanks.
RR.I'm not sure that this is a hobby that I'd consider inexpensive to participate in. I'm sure there are ways to save money here and there but from what I've learned in my short 7 ish weeks is you have to pay to play. Rough numbers here but I had 14 meeting at a FC with 7 girls ranging from 19-22 yo in 6 weeks and have spent about 4200 in total between the girls and hotel rooms and SA membership. 3 of the girls provided the FC so there was no cost involved for those. I don't meet these girls anywhere except the FC so there have been no lunch / dinner / coffee expenses. The one I did meet at tropical smoothie I didn't ever get to the FC. I have bought a couple of the girls a vibrator because they said they never owned one and agreed to toy play during the meeting.
You also have to look at the time that is involved as time is money. I'm a relatively young and decent looking guy and it takes a ton of time to convince these girls to meet you. I've messaged hundreds of girls within 100 miles of Richmond and spent many hours talking to the ones that message back. Sure you'll find one that will agree to meet you in the first 10 texts but those are really just pros advertising on SA. I know one guy recently said he is only paying $ on average for his sb's per meet but in my experience, the 18-22 yo sb's aren't interested in anything less than $250 per meet and it's usually higher. I'm basically just saying that this is much harder and more expensive than calling up a escort or pro.
I'm not sure that this is a hobby that I'd consider inexpensive to participate in. I'm sure there are ways to save money here and there but from what I've learned in my short 7 ish weeks is you have to pay to play. Rough numbers here but I had 14 meeting at a FC with 7 girls ranging from 19-22 yo in 6 weeks and have spent about 4200 in total between the girls and hotel rooms and SA membership. 3 of the girls provided the FC so there was no cost involved for those. I don't meet these girls anywhere except the FC so there have been no lunch / dinner / coffee expenses. The one I did meet at tropical smoothie I didn't ever get to the FC. I have bought a couple of the girls a vibrator because they said they never owned one and agreed to toy play during the meeting.
You also have to look at the time that is involved as time is money. I'm a relatively young and decent looking guy and it takes a ton of time to convince these girls to meet you. I've messaged hundreds of girls within 100 miles of Richmond and spent many hours talking to the ones that message back. Sure you'll find one that will agree to meet you in the first 10 texts but those are really just pros advertising on SA. I know one guy recently said he is only paying $ on average for his sb's per meet but in my experience, the 18-22 yo sb's aren't interested in anything less than $250 per meet and it's usually higher. I'm basically just saying that this is much harder and more expensive than calling up a escort or pro.Thanks. I appreciate the level of detail. I wasn't expecting inexpensive but thinking it was about the same as escorts with better girls and service. Looks like I'll have to dip my toe in and see what it's like. I was also considering just using Tinder. It's wired for me in the past but I was traveling for work all the time so it was easier. I'm not too concerned about age, in fact a more long term affair with no strings attached is my ideal. Thanks again for all the help. Have plenty to think about before I decide to make the switch from escorts.
RR.
FarFarAway
10-23-19, 20:14
Thanks. I appreciate the level of detail. I wasn't expecting inexpensive but thinking it was about the same as escorts with better girls and service. Looks like I'll have to dip my toe in and see what it's like. I was also considering just using Tinder. It's wired for me in the past but I was traveling for work all the time so it was easier. I'm not too concerned about age, in fact a more long term affair with no strings attached is my ideal. Thanks again for all the help. Have plenty to think about before I decide to make the switch from escorts.
RR.You need to spend several days reading all of the highlights / archives of posts on this thread over the past several years. It is separate from this thread. You should also read this thread as far back as you can afford in time. There are all sorts of tricks newbies need to know. I am guessing you are actually in the Richmond area, but this thread has become the de facto national thread on sugaring. You get the benefit of lots of wisdom and experience.
I'm not sure that this is a hobby that I'd consider inexpensive to participate in. I'm sure there are ways to save money here and there but from what I've learned in my short 7 ish weeks is you have to pay to play. Rough numbers here but I had 14 meeting at a FC with 7 girls ranging from 19-22 yo in 6 weeks and have spent about 4200 in total between the girls and hotel rooms and SA membership. 3 of the girls provided the FC so there was no cost involved for those. I don't meet these girls anywhere except the FC so there have been no lunch / dinner / coffee expenses. The one I did meet at tropical smoothie I didn't ever get to the FC. I have bought a couple of the girls a vibrator because they said they never owned one and agreed to toy play during the meeting.
You also have to look at the time that is involved as time is money. I'm a relatively young and decent looking guy and it takes a ton of time to convince these girls to meet you. I've messaged hundreds of girls within 100 miles of Richmond and spent many hours talking to the ones that message back. Sure you'll find one that will agree to meet you in the first 10 texts but those are really just pros advertising on SA. I know one guy recently said he is only paying $ on average for his sb's per meet but in my experience, the 18-22 yo sb's aren't interested in anything less than $250 per meet and it's usually higher. I'm basically just saying that this is much harder and more expensive than calling up a escort or pro.This is good insight and I agree that pursuing an SB is much more expensive. I usually feel like I need to keep seeing them on a regular basis, especially after all the investment in time to get them to the FC, so that makes it even more expensive, whereas with an escort you don't feel bad about not seeing them again. But a big difference between SBs and escorts, which has been pointed out on the forum many times, is that SBs usually choose you. I mean they actually have to like you to have sex. And a certain fraction of SBs actually prefer older men because we are, they think, better at having sex than younger men -- more attentive, more experienced, etc. Of course, there's a limit to this, I mean you can't be "too old" (I feel like I'm approaching that limit, sadly). But if you run into an SB who likes you like that it can be highly addictive and damaging to the savings account, LOL.
Having said that, there are certainly escorts who love sex, and I'm sure some hardcore escorts have infiltrated the SB ranks, so its hard to make generalizations.
HappyHunter44
10-23-19, 22:10
I'm not sure that this is a hobby that I'd consider inexpensive to participate in. I'm sure there are ways to save money here and there but from what I've learned in my short 7 ish weeks is you have to pay to play. Rough numbers here but I had 14 meeting at a FC with 7 girls ranging from 19-22 yo in 6 weeks and have spent about 4200 in total between the girls and hotel rooms and SA membership. 3 of the girls provided the FC so there was no cost involved for those. I don't meet these girls anywhere except the FC so there have been no lunch / dinner / coffee expenses. The one I did meet at tropical smoothie I didn't ever get to the FC. I have bought a couple of the girls a vibrator because they said they never owned one and agreed to toy play during the meeting........Your post hits a lot of good points, quite accurately. I am the guy who mentioned a few pages back about $ ppm at the FC. So far, still works for hot babes.
One way to think about SBs is like eBay. The exact same item can be bought at price X and at 2 X a couple pages away. Also, the one at X could even include free shipping, while the most expensive one does not. SBs are no different. The only difference being one cannot sort by price and terms before messaging, so there is a big cost there in terms of time.
We have had similar experiences. I was on SA for 4 weeks (I let membership pause for now). I had 15 chances (maybe a couple more than that) in that month to go to the FC of which I turned down 8. Nice girls, but they wanted more than $$ and they did not look or sound any better than the ones who take $. Therefore, I saw them as over-priced, just like same item on eBay at different prices. (Interesting that the girls think in whole numbers it seems - $ gets accepted, but then the next jump is either $$ or $$$ or $$$$. Of all the girls, only one quoted $$5.).
The fact that we had just about the same number of opportunities says a lot about the process, i.e., when something requires a specific amount of time and effort, there could be only so much results in a given time period. Pretty much like weight-lifting as a natural lifter; you can only grow so much muscle so fast no matter how much you lift in a month.
I believe, like you, I just stuck to it day after day and committed about 2 hours each day (sometimes little more) to contacting girls, texting back etc. I was methodical and made sure I was doing something with 4 to 6 girls each day my membership was active. And to show how much this matters, I did not secure the SBs I had until the last 3 days of my membership. One I got because she texted me after my membership had run out.
It took one month to get 5 SBs, 2 of which are regulars who I can get one in afternoon and one in evening, thereby, having only one FC expenditure for both. In the process of setting up a similar arrangement in another town 20 miles away in other direction. That is one way to reduce FC costs. Now, I can afford the additional FC costs and higher ppm, but why if I do not have to? To me, that would be like buying the higher priced item on eBay knowing the same item can be had for 1/2 that with free shipping. I partake in the age range 19 - 22, with one being 28.
The one thing I know that gets me the $ ppm is that the girls actually like hanging out with me. They relax, take showers while talking to me, watch movies, and giggle like hell. They have said directly that they like the fact that they never feel pressure to do anything. It kind of just flows when they get there and each time I get great pussy.
I am older, but in good shape and do look younger by over a decade, so I believe that helps.
Again, great post.
HappyHunter44
10-23-19, 22:20
I'm basically just saying that this is much harder and more expensive than calling up a escort or pro.Please allow me to give a slightly different perspective:
I do think this is accurate only if one is continuously chasing different girls and essentially paying for a one-off experience each time. One-offs are more expensive because one-offs do not afford one scheduling efficiency and to amortize the costs. Plus, it requires the time to get each one.
I have been at the FC regularly now for a month after my membership paused and have had no additional costs in time, membership fees, and I am getting a better value each time because the SBs stay longer and longer for the same ppm.
On a per hour / value of pussy basis, the SBs are multiple times less expensive. Even at $$ or $$$, a pro would give you like 45 minutes to 1 hr max. SBs easily stay 3-4 hours and fuck you 3 times.
Therefore, I do think it is kind of comparing apples to oranges; yes, both are fruits, but completely different experiences for the money. At least for me, the SBs are a much higher value and higher pussy enjoyment overall, as none feel like a pro / escort transaction and the session lasts for hrs.
BookerTNelson
10-23-19, 22:29
I'm not sure that this is a hobby that I'd consider inexpensive to participate in. I'm sure there are ways to save money here and there but from what I've learned in my short 7 ish weeks is you have to pay to play. Rough numbers here but I had 14 meeting at a FC with 7 girls ranging from 19-22 yo in 6 weeks and have spent about 4200 in total between the girls and hotel rooms and SA membership. 3 of the girls provided the FC so there was no cost involved for those. I don't meet these girls anywhere except the FC so there have been no lunch / dinner / coffee expenses. The one I did meet at tropical smoothie I didn't ever get to the FC. I have bought a couple of the girls a vibrator because they said they never owned one and agreed to toy play during the meeting.
You also have to look at the time that is involved as time is money. I'm a relatively young and decent looking guy and it takes a ton of time to convince these girls to meet you. I've messaged hundreds of girls within 100 miles of Richmond and spent many hours talking to the ones that message back. Sure you'll find one that will agree to meet you in the first 10 texts but those are really just pros advertising on SA. I know one guy recently said he is only paying $ on average for his sb's per meet but in my experience, the 18-22 yo sb's aren't interested in anything less than $250 per meet and it's usually higher. I'm basically just saying that this is much harder and more expensive than calling up a escort or pro.All I'll say is that If you're a decent looking guy and relatively young, your cost per meet should be lower than 200.
Even if you're not that young, 150 to 250 is pretty good for 2-4 hours of fun with a fresh flower under 30. And guys my age have plenty of time to invest in the chase.
All I'll say is that If you're a decent looking guy and relatively young, your cost per meet should be lower than 200.
I'm not sure that this is a hobby that I'd consider inexpensive to participate in. I'm sure there are ways to save money here and there but from what I've learned in my short 7 ish weeks is you have to pay to play. Rough numbers here but I had 14 meeting at a FC with 7 girls ranging from 19-22 yo in 6 weeks and have spent about 4200 in total between the girls and hotel rooms and SA membership. 3 of the girls provided the FC so there was no cost involved for those. I don't meet these girls anywhere except the FC so there have been no lunch / dinner / coffee expenses. The one I did meet at tropical smoothie I didn't ever get to the FC. I have bought a couple of the girls a vibrator because they said they never owned one and agreed to toy play during the meeting.
You also have to look at the time that is involved as time is money. I'm a relatively young and decent looking guy and it takes a ton of time to convince these girls to meet you. I've messaged hundreds of girls within 100 miles of Richmond and spent many hours talking to the ones that message back. Sure you'll find one that will agree to meet you in the first 10 texts but those are really just pros advertising on SA. I know one guy recently said he is only paying $ on average for his sb's per meet but in my experience, the 18-22 yo sb's aren't interested in anything less than $250 per meet and it's usually higher. I'm basically just saying that this is much harder and more expensive than calling up a escort or pro.When I first joined Seeking, which was many years ago, I overpaid to meet some SBs. I remember giving one really hot SB four figures for CIM. It was worth it, but I'm sure I could have gotten it for $$ if I was thinking with the big head.
I also chased hot ones who were far away from me.
Over time, I've gotten better at being s SD, including realizing that it's never worth driving more than 30 minutes to see a SB. Even better, just offer them some extra cash to drive to you if you want to see a specific one who is far away. If they show up, great. If not, you don't waste your time and feel like a jackass for driving 1. 5 hours to be ghosted.
Most of these SBs are deeply damaged, on psych meds, and / or in deep financial and personal trouble. The kind of people who win the lottery and are bankrupt a year later. Don't invest too much time or thought into why they do what they do. Many are delusional about their worth. But will come back to reality of you are somewhat attractive to them and they need money.
No matter what anyone tells you, most of these SBs will go to the FC with you for $ to $$$ depending on hotness and desperation and sanity. There are far more SBs than SDs. If you are younger and attractive, $ is totally possible PPM.
Madaboutmax
10-24-19, 12:05
All I'll say is that If you're a decent looking guy and relatively young, your cost per meet should be lower than 200.I agree. I'm mid-50's, but still considered attractive for my age. I have no problem getting to the FC for 200 or less with my first choices! I have noticed in recent years it has become more difficult with guys willing to pay 400+ per meet, Social Media telling girls they can make lots of money with platonic or online only dating and the fact I am getting older.
It takes more effort than it used to, but with game it can be done.
HappyHunter44
10-24-19, 15:42
I agree. I'm mid-50's, but still considered attractive for my age. I have no problem getting to the FC for 200 or less with my first choices! I have noticed in recent years it has become more difficult with guys willing to pay 400+ per meet, Social Media telling girls they can make lots of money with platonic or online only dating and the fact I am getting older.
It takes more effort than it used to, but with game it can be done.This is dead on.
One thing about SBs is they are all different re motives. I specifically scope out girls who are not there just for the money. I can tell which girls are there for the thrill, companionship, or they are just plain tired of guys their age. Those SBs are not motivated solely by the money. Bottomline, many are tired of giving it away for free to younger guys who treat them bad. Plus, the young guys do not know how to fuck them well.
You are correct. Social Media is selling these girls a bunch of nonsense. Yes, SDs exist who pay exorbitant amounts, but they are in very limited in supply. Unless the girl is beyond awesome, he might see once or twice. However, that is very different than getting a steady SD or a stream of SDs over time to pay that. Very few SBs ever get to that level. I told a couple who quoted me (w / out my prompting) 4 and 5 bills. I told them get back to me when they are more reasonable. A month later after I am off the site, guess who I get 2 texts from? They never found those regular SDs at that rate. But, I had already moved on with better, nicer prospects at 1 bill ppm, so they were not even worth the 2 bills they wanted now.
TomDickNHarry
10-25-19, 11:11
There has been some discussion on here about whether to treat these girls like dates, or whether your interaction is different. I would like to offer my views. I try to project a mix of several personas. One is a date. Not a good guy, earnest kind of date that they could see a long term relationship with, but a "bad boy" who clearly wants to get in their pants, is leaving town next week, but is hell of lot of fun in the meantime. Another persona I think of as that high school gym teacher or coach that made them kind of nervous because they weren't sure if he was checking their ass out, but they still liked him and wanted his approval. The third is an authority figure, like a professor or a boss. They clearly want his approval and aren't sure if they are good enough to get it. So I sort of cycle back and forth between these personas and keep them off balance. For example, I don't hesitate to offer value judgments on their life choices or to tell them what they should do. This is something the bad boy date would never do. Conversely, after a glass or two of wine I don't hide it I am looking down their blouse or checking their ass when they get up to go to the bathroom. This is something their professor or boss (usually) doesn't want to be seen doing. Finally, of course, is Daddy. An enormous percentage, maybe all, of these girls have daddy issues. I don't want to act like THEIR daddy, of course. The incest angle creeps me out. But I am a real daddy, and I talk about how my kids get a lot of attention and opportunities. I make it clear that they come before nay sugar daddy activities. I want to seem like the daddy they wish they had had, so they will crave my attention and approval. And we ll know how they can get my attention and approval, right?
Thanks for sharing, our experiences are really really similar from top to bottom. The above part of this great post is what I found the most interesting b / c I've been handling many of them this way and switching between almost the exact same personas, without realizing the different roles I'm playing. That's not to say it's something that came naturally, it didn't at all, it's more been a process of just repeating and refining what seems to work over many girls and many years.
TomDickNHarry
10-25-19, 12:44
I suppose it can depend on your area, but done correctly SA is not more expensive than the escort scene here judging by that board. They're paying $$ for an hour or less in most cases, which is similar what I pay ongoing gals for multiple hours. When you consider the quality difference, the idea that I can get longer for the same price makes it a much better value. Those girls are not that attractive, older, and most are druggies here. Yes if someone is on SA and agreeing to $$ and you only keep them 45 minutes for one pop I can see how they find it expensive but that's their approach.
No, to me the difference is not price. It's actually incredible value done correctly because the same number of FC's from SA should cost about the same as FC's with working girls, for an experience that is 100 times better. No the drawback to SA TIME. This takes a ton of effort. An absolute ton. And time has value too.
On a per hour / value of pussy basis, the SBs are multiple times less expensive. Even at $$ or $$$, a pro would give you like 45 minutes to 1 hr max. SBs easily stay 3-4 hours and fuck you 3 times.
Therefore, I do think it is kind of comparing apples to oranges; yes, both are fruits, but completely different experiences for the money. At least for me, the SBs are a much higher value and higher pussy enjoyment overall, as none feel like a pro / escort transaction and the session lasts for hrs.
HappyHunter44
10-25-19, 13:42
No, to me the difference is not price. It's actually incredible value done correctly because the same number of FC's from SA should cost about the same as FC's with working girls, for an experience that is 100 times better. No the drawback to SA TIME. This takes a ton of effort. An absolute ton. And time has value too.I agree the main cost of SA is it is a time suck. However, since it is a time suck for everyone that cancels out as a cost increasing variable. FC costs are also pretty consistent for everyone as well. Therefore, the only variable directly affecting an increase in SA overall costs is what we choose to ppm. That is what my post is addressing.
My last sentence summed it up well in that for the price the pussy on SA is much better and more enjoyable. My overall rate is something like $40/ hr (includes FC costs, food and ppm). Then again, I choose SBs who want fun, not just sex, so they stick around a long time. I do not do car dates or a quick trip to the FC and leave. For each SB, I have spent a good long afternoon or the major part of an evening into early morning and get to hit it at least twice.
Anyone have intel on this SB?
Sexy_Serena11 - https://www.seeking.com/member/0163353f-2d4e-49bf-ba0a-f876d265730b.
Feel free to PM me or share here. Good either way. Thanks in advance fellas.
TomDickNHarry
10-25-19, 18:19
I agree the main cost of SA is it is a time suck. However, since it is a time suck for everyone that cancels out as a cost increasing variable. FC costs are also pretty consistent for everyone as well. Therefore, the only variable directly affecting an increase in SA overall costs is what we choose to ppm. That is what my post is addressing.
My last sentence summed it up well in that for the price the pussy on SA is much better and more enjoyable. My overall rate is something like $40/ hr (includes FC costs, food and ppm). Then again, I choose SBs who want fun, not just sex, so they stick around a long time. I do not do car dates or a quick trip to the FC and leave. For each SB, I have spent a good long afternoon or the major part of an evening into early morning and get to hit it at least twice.Quoted yours b / c it was a good summation of the difference between escorts and sugar babies. I'm meaning to chime into the post about it being more expensive, than escorts, it definitely is not if you know what you're doing. It might even be cheaper, and while the time involved can be taxing, the experience is in a different galaxy than with the pros. If you can afford the time, it's a no brainer, will get you much better experiences for similar money.
ItsAHobby45
10-25-19, 20:49
Anyone have intel on this SB?
Sexy_Serena11 - https://www.seeking.com/member/0163353f-2d4e-49bf-ba0a-f876d265730b.
Feel free to PM me or share here. Good either way. Thanks in advance fellas.Her pictures on SA are better than she actually looks. Her body is nice but she's not very pretty. If you are flexible with your time she can host when her multiple roommates aren't home. $$ is what I paid and she requires protection for anything below the waist. She seems extremely experienced even though she claims she's new to this. I didn't repeat.
No, to me the difference is not price. It's actually incredible value done correctly because the same number of FC's from SA should cost about the same as FC's with working girls, for an experience that is 100 times better. No the drawback to SA TIME. This takes a ton of effort. An absolute ton. And time has value too.That's the thing. Pussy has a cost, and with SBs the real cost is time (and for me hotel rooms). If I place a dollar amount, per hour on what I spend on a girl it is somewhere between $25-50 an hour depending on the girl and what sort of chemistry we have. Sometimes they want to spend more time with me than I do them, sometimes they are headed home after a second round of fucking while I really wanted a third round.
But if I truly summed up the amount of overall effort I put into this, and put a dollar amount on time, compared it to their rate of earnings per hour. Then they are making out like bandits! Getting paid to have a good time at a rate that their time just isn't worth yet at that age, being enabled to do all the naughty shit they want to do without fear of their friends finding out. Then go shopping afterwards. How I envy young people.
We're both having fun but I'm not sure the SDs are winning.
If your time is valuable by the hour, escorts are a much better value I'm sure. I just never was a fuck-for-an-hour-then-bye kinda guy.
I enjoy reflecting on some of the memories I've made with SBs, and that's how I justify the hobby.
I'm very aware that I'll infect this girl with GPS if I'm able to seal the deal for 1 k and it's very unfortunate because I'd only see her once for that much $. She just happened to be my very first target when I got started with this hobby so I don't think I'll be content until I reach that goal. Unfortunately for me she won't respond to texts / messages from me at all so I think I'll just have to accept defeat. The site is just so full or 22-25 yo girls that are seasoned in the bowl and I've grown bored of them and the number of 18-19 yo that are interested in anything physical is just so limited. Every 18-19 yo I message either doesn't read the message or just wants a platonic relationship and to sell pics / vids. Edit: I just noticed you quoted me about Mia and not Lily. I paid Mia 4$ each of the 3 times I met her. Not 1k.She's doing you a favor by not responding if you're willing to pay 1 k to bang a girl. You wouldn't feel the sense of closure that you're looking for, you would only feel buyer's remorse eventually, and at very best you'd look back on the experience and laugh at all the things you regret doing when you were learning the hobby.
Not only is there not a vagina on this planet that's worth 1 k, but giving them that kind of money is really putting the SD in a subordinate position under the SB.
Monetarily, every SB wants an SD who is willing to give them everything they ask for and more. Sexually, most of them want to be dominated by a ambitious, successful older male who got where he is in life by not being a chump and not caving into the demands of women, but by knowing what he wants and knowing how to get it. So there is a bit of a conflict there, and this is the ironic nature of women. Hot young females often find themselves caught between these two conflicting sets of wants (or needs) and not knowing which one to pursue unless something persuades them one way or another.
Its up to you as an SD whether to be the chump that caves into high-money demands, or to be the one that meets that sexual need. There's no way to be both simultaneously, regardless of what they say.
BookerTNelson
10-26-19, 09:48
I agree. I'm mid-50's, but still considered attractive for my age. I have no problem getting to the FC for 200 or less with my first choices! I have noticed in recent years it has become more difficult with guys willing to pay 400+ per meet, Social Media telling girls they can make lots of money with platonic or online only dating and the fact I am getting older.
It takes more effort than it used to, but with game it can be done.Here is where having some game makes SA the best. With my first choices, they're always pointing to someone saying they'll do $400+ per meet and when I see their social media's it is full of what I like to call "SB whistling" and them screaming they need someone to show them the way. So when I am talking to them I push back HARD against the $400+ comments and call their bluffs on it because let's be honest. If they were getting $400+ with someone they enjoyed being in the FC with then they wouldn't be entertaining me. Displaying some game has made SA like shooting fish in a barrel for me. Even to the point that after I've ended the arrangement they'll text me or e-mail me asking if they can meet for drinks and a good fucking. Shit, sometimes I even just send a quick flirt on Social media and it turns out well.
BookerTNelson
10-26-19, 09:51
I suppose it can depend on your area, but done correctly SA is not more expensive than the escort scene here judging by that board. They're paying $$ for an hour or less in most cases, which is similar what I pay ongoing gals for multiple hours. When you consider the quality difference, the idea that I can get longer for the same price makes it a much better value. Those girls are not that attractive, older, and most are druggies here. Yes if someone is on SA and agreeing to $$ and you only keep them 45 minutes for one pop I can see how they find it expensive but that's their approach.
No, to me the difference is not price. It's actually incredible value done correctly because the same number of FC's from SA should cost about the same as FC's with working girls, for an experience that is 100 times better. No the drawback to SA TIME. This takes a ton of effort. An absolute ton. And time has value too.Agreed. The reason I'm even in this at all is for great experiences but with my time investment I get a much greater ongoing experience. The time I put in upfront on SA has yielded dividends even years later.
This is dead on.
I specifically scope out girls who are not there just for the money. I can tell which girls are there for the thrill, companionship, or they are just plain tired of guys their age. Those SBs are not motivated solely by the money. Bottomline, many are tired of giving it away for free to younger guys who treat them bad. Plus, the young guys do not know how to fuck them well.In theory, these are the gals the site was built for. Plus more fun to find a career gal who just happens to be a fun fuck than being guy #4 today.
I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.
I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.I'm lurking from California because I plan on signing up for SA soon.
I lived in S. Florida for 5 years and knew a girl who used SA as a dating site. She figured the guys on there had dough.
She found a guy in Miami who paid her $800+ to drive 1. 5 hours down there to have dinner.
Since she doesn't look much like her profile pictures the guy passed on anything else; dinner and see ya later honey.
Anyway, simps with millions of dollars are out there; the problem is the girls don't know how to find one because they're like unicorns or Bigfoot.
I think any reasonable female knows a Benjamin is good money for something she likes to do anyway; if she doesn't, she 1. Doesn't like the guy 2. Doesn't like sex with strangers.
It reminds me of that joke; a little girl heard something in school and then asks her mom when she gets home "Mom, what's a blowjob?" "$40, same price as downtown".
I will bet she said he is giving her that for online chatting only. LOL!
Bam.
I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.
I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.Any financial advisor would say "if you get an $800/ month offer for temporary use of an asset you have full control and unlimited amounts of, TAKE THAT OFFER.
Any financial advisor would say "if you get an $800/ month offer for temporary use of an asset you have full control and unlimited amounts of, TAKE THAT OFFER.That's what I told her, that she better jump on that fast. When I asked her why she ws still on the site if she had an 800/ week offer she just said checking her options LOL.
I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.I dunno. How many fucks per week is he getting? I've paid exactly that amount for a three day weekend before. Never mind the fact that I fucked her more than a dozen times over that weekend. Per pop it was a good deal.
HappyHunter44
10-26-19, 19:22
We're both having fun but I'm not sure the SDs are winning.
If your time is valuable by the hour, escorts are a much better value I'm sure. I just never was a fuck-for-an-hour-then-bye kinda guy.All trades are trades of unequals. Therefore, if the SB thought she was making out as good as you, she would never make the trade and vice versa for you. I never waste my time comparing my expenditures to what the SB might be netting; really makes no economic sense to even do it.
Need to think of initial time procuring SBs as a sunk cost. It is not even an opportunity cost (which your time is valuable scenario assumes) because no other opportunity could net such a plethora of young, long-term pussy that you actually like hanging out with. After the initial costs acquiring the SBs, the 18-22 yr old pussy and the great interpersonal experiences banging for hours are things you cannot even purchase with an escort, so no comparison there. And, as for the SB, she obviously thinks she is getting the better end of the deal or else she would not be coming back.
My point is SBs and SDs are in it for such different things that they really should not be compared economically in any way.
I dunno. How many fucks per week is he getting? I've paid exactly that amount for a three day weekend before. Never mind the fact that I fucked her more than a dozen times over that weekend. Per pop it was a good deal.I've had SBs approach me with the "X $ per week" offer in the past.
My response is that I'll consider it if the $ are paid in arrears.
Too many SBs try to use that approach for a quick cash grab, and then only go to the FC once before vanishing.
$800 a week isn't bad if you like her and need P 4+ times a week.
But, with the large number and variety of SBs available on the site, I can't imagine the arrangement lasting too long.
Every-single-girl-on-SA lies about:
1. how much she used to get with some guy.
2. how much she's been offered.
3. what she's done with the guys ('just dinner', or 'just a HJ' when it's been much, much more.).
4. how many SA guys she's been with.
You can take these lies to the bank every, single, time. Anyone with a budget of 300 per visit will have more girls available to him than days in the month. Why would anyone pay 700 or 800?
All trades are trades of unequals. Therefore, if the SB thought she was making out as good as you, she would never make the trade and vice versa for you. I never waste my time comparing my expenditures to what the SB might be netting; really makes no economic sense to even do it.
Need to think of initial time procuring SBs as a sunk cost. It is not even an opportunity cost (which your time is valuable scenario assumes) because no other opportunity could net such a plethora of young, long-term pussy that you actually like hanging out with. After the initial costs acquiring the SBs, the 18-22 yr old pussy and the great interpersonal experiences banging for hours are things you cannot even purchase with an escort, so no comparison there. And, as for the SB, she obviously thinks she is getting the better end of the deal or else she would not be coming back.
My point is SBs and SDs are in it for such different things that they really should not be compared economically in any way.I completely agree with your last sentence. But in the same vein, remember that this statement also sort of negates your thought about opportunity cost -- because I'm not necessarily looking for longer-term arrangements with these girls (I find they tend to lead to an expectation of relationship on their part in addition to offering diminishing returns on sexual performance), the opportunity cost for me is that the time I invest looking for SBs and meeting them could be spent making money or doing something else. I accept this and obviously consider it worthwhile or I wouldn't continue, but that's because sex is a basic need (for me at least) and not just a want.
TechSticles
10-27-19, 18:12
I've had SBs approach me with the "X $ per week" offer in the past.
My response is that I'll consider it if the $ are paid in arrears.
Too many SBs try to use that approach for a quick cash grab, and then only go to the FC once before vanishing.
$800 a week isn't bad if you like her and need P 4+ times a week.
But, with the large number and variety of SBs available on the site, I can't imagine the arrangement lasting too long.I agree. I've had two girls that graduated to payment in advance, meaning I hit them with the cash weekly for the upcoming week. I'm picky about that, and I've never been cheated, but of course I knew where they lived. We all enjoyed the benefits. They knew they had income, and I knew I had all the pussy I wanted.
Of course I'd never do that with a chick I just met.
Some guys spend tens of thousands of dollars to buy a hunting lease, gun, apparel, 4 wheeler, travel trailer just so they can go hunting three or four times a year. It's whatever floats your boat, right?
I completely agree with your last sentence. But in the same vein, remember that this statement also sort of negates your thought about opportunity cost -- because I'm not necessarily looking for longer-term arrangements with these girls (I find they tend to lead to an expectation of relationship on their part in addition to offering diminishing returns on sexual performance), the opportunity cost for me is that the time I invest looking for SBs and meeting them could be spent making money or doing something else. I accept this and obviously consider it worthwhile or I wouldn't continue, but that's because sex is a basic need (for me at least) and not just a want.
Some guys spend tens of thousands of dollars to buy a hunting lease, gun, apparel, 4 wheeler, travel trailer just so they can go hunting three or four times a year. It's whatever floats your boat, right?Absolutely. Sometimes the effort and infrequency of the event is part of what makes it fun. If we told those same hunters they can buy a truck full of deer that will be walked down a ramp one by one so they can get a clear head shot, they would probably be less interested in pursuing that hobby.
This is the same reason I'm not interested in the non-challenge of paying an escort. Part of the fun is finding the best girls, paying as little as possible, and fending off the attachment and emotional strings that so many of them seem hell bent on forming.
BookerTNelson
10-28-19, 17:48
Absolutely. Sometimes the effort and infrequency of the event is part of what makes it fun. If we told those same hunters they can buy a truck full of deer that will be walked down a ramp one by one so they can get a clear head shot, they would probably be less interested in pursuing that hobby.
This is the same reason I'm not interested in the non-challenge of paying an escort. Part of the fun is finding the best girls, paying as little as possible, and fending off the attachment and emotional strings that so many of them seem hell bent on forming.This is my way of looking at it too, so Touche.
HappyHunter44
10-28-19, 20:34
Absolutely. Sometimes the effort and infrequency of the event is part of what makes it fun. If we told those same hunters they can buy a truck full of deer that will be walked down a ramp one by one so they can get a clear head shot, they would probably be less interested in pursuing that hobby.
This is the same reason I'm not interested in the non-challenge of paying an escort. Part of the fun is finding the best girls, paying as little as possible, and fending off the attachment and emotional strings that so many of them seem hell bent on forming.Yep. We are on the same page here.
HappyHunter44
10-28-19, 20:44
I completely agree with your last sentence. But in the same vein, remember that this statement also sort of negates your thought about opportunity cost -- because I'm not necessarily looking for longer-term arrangements with these girls (I find they tend to lead to an expectation of relationship on their part in addition to offering diminishing returns on sexual performance), the opportunity cost for me is that the time I invest looking for SBs and meeting them could be spent making money or doing something else. I accept this and obviously consider it worthwhile or I wouldn't continue, but that's because sex is a basic need (for me at least) and not just a want.I see now that we are using different parameters re opportunity costs. If you define opportunity cost as broadly as time spent, then even taking time out to play video games is an opportunity cost. So, fair enough, I understand your position.
Specifically though, I was talking about the opportunity cost as it relates to the "young pussy ecosystem. " In that vein, there is no other opportunity outside of SA (and related sites) where one can search and procure so much 18 - 22 yr-old pussy, with new ones arriving daily - excellent fresh produce turnover.
In other words, one cannot not find another avenue for which your time could be spent to get to the same ends. Even BP and CL did not have this quality of pussy, i. e. , bona fide hot college babes without monkeys on their backs. The SA college girls are not lying on their backs in a motel room and getting bb'ed all day long. That, to me, makes SA an opportunity like no other and cannot be replaced with anything else currently in existence. Therefore, my time spent on SA cannot be counted as a loss of another opportunity to get that type / level of pussy.
In that vein, there is no other opportunity outside of SA (and related sites) where one can search and procure so much 18 - 22 yr-old pussy, with new ones arriving daily - excellent fresh produce turnover.
In other words, one cannot not find another avenue for which your time could be spent to get to the same ends. Even BP and CL did not have this quality of pussy, i. e. , bona fide hot college babes without monkeys on their backs. The SA college girls are not lying on their backs in a motel room and getting bb'ed all day long. That, to me, makes SA an opportunity like no other and cannot be replaced with anything else currently in existence. Therefore, my time spent on SA cannot be counted as a loss of another opportunity to get that type / level of pussy.That's what makes SA so attractive to me, too.
There is much less expensive P out there, but nowhere near as clean and safe as can be found on SA.
For now, we live in a golden age for sugaring. There is so much available P on the site, it's difficult to choose.
My point is SBs and SDs are in it for such different things that they really should not be compared economically in any way.The basis of any successful negotiation is for each party to find something the other party values highly that you value at a much lesser level.
Men with more $$ than available young pussy value $$ at $. For young pussy its the opposite. They give it up for free to the soulful barista, but can't make rent.
So it really is an equally agreeable negotation, not an unequal trade.
If she stays at 500 to 700 she quoted me, won't be too much volume. Told me we must have had some totally different arrangements in the past. YUP! Hope the BBBJTCIM was good!
https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2c70f699-0f8c-434d-8a4e-6d30e39bc131
Cute. Asian. Nice body. Glasses. All things I am attracted to. Really boring personality though. Dtf $$ 5, but I only dreamt of some some quick car action. Bbbjtcim. $$. Really warm mouth. Seems like she could be high volume. Won't repeat..
Ks Dark Knight
11-01-19, 02:57
That's what makes SA so attractive to me, too.
There is much less expensive P out there, but nowhere near as clean and safe as can be found on SA.
For now, we live in a golden age for sugaring. There is so much available P on the site, it's difficult to choose.Has anybody had trouble getting to the login page the last 2 days?
Her real name is Jade. Met her at FC. She is chubby but not a fatty though. She is young and appears new to the bowl. Apparently, her friend 'Maya' influenced her with $$ from SA. LOL. Can't nurse those awesome titties, they are pierced. DFK is ok but no BJ, not even covered, WTF! Of-course no BBFS, at-least first time. But her pussy is good and loved the DATY. I'm not repeating.
https://www.seeking.com/member/f091cdfd-ec0d-4753-9459-511c32d66f30
HappyHunter44
11-01-19, 12:37
The basis of any successful negotiation is for each party to find something the other party values highly that you value at a much lesser level.
Men with more $$ than available young pussy value $$ at $. For young pussy its the opposite. They give it up for free to the soulful barista, but can't make rent.
So it really is an equally agreeable negotation, not an unequal trade.We are actually describing two different things. You are talking negotiations; I am talking the actual economics of the trade, not the essence of a negotiation.
Let's say I have $ and you have a shirt. If I offer you the $ for your shirt and you agree to give me the shirt in exchange for my $, then 1) yes, we had a successful negotiation, but the economic conditions to each of us are not equal. 2) By definition, I must value the shirt more than the $ I had, thus I parted with the $ for the shirt and 3) you parted with the shirt in exchange for the $ because you valued the $ more than the shirt.
Economically, each party sees himself coming out ahead of the position he was in prior to the trade. Therefore, for the trade to take place, each party must view the exchange as an economic gain. For each party to realize a gain, the exchanged items must be economically valued differently, i.e. , have unequal value to each party.
We are actually describing two different things. You are talking negotiations; I am talking the actual economics of the trade, not the essence of a negotiation.
Let's say I have $ and you have a shirt. If I offer you the $ for your shirt and you agree to give me the shirt in exchange for my $, then 1) yes, we had a successful negotiation, but the economic conditions to each of us are not equal. 2) By definition, I must value the shirt more than the $ I had, thus I parted with the $ for the shirt and 3) you parted with the shirt in exchange for the $ because you valued the $ more than the shirt.
Economically, each party sees himself coming out ahead of the position he was in prior to the trade. Therefore, for the trade to take place, each party must view the exchange as an economic gain. For each party to realize a gain, the exchanged items must be economically valued differently, i.e. , have unequal value to each party.Sorry for the lurker unsolicited comment; females all know that they are making out on any transaction to sell pussy to a man; they know they were born with their pussy and the man had to go out and either earn, steal, or inherit that money he pays her for the temporary use of her pussy.
Girls may be self deluded enough to believe that their time is valuable; not really since I have very rarely met any female who had useful information to depart to me so her company was a frivolity to me and usually led to sexual relations or was over soon.
I have often said to many broke females who complained to me about their plight "You're sitting on your ATM card; if you use it, you will have plenty of money. You're just unwilling to take it out. ".
A few hot girls I know have mocked their female friends who fuck for nothing or for free; deep down they think like prostitutes who think a guy must pay up of jerk off.
HappyHunter44
11-01-19, 13:32
..females all know that they are making out on any transaction to sell pussy to a man; they know they were born with their pussy and the man had to go out and either earn, steal, or inherit that money he pays her for the temporary use of her pussy.You got to the nuts and bolts of it. Not only is the costs of goods $0 for them, it is a reusable item that can be traded over and over again. In contrast, the SD is out the $ and must get another $ in order to exchange for the same pussy (i. e. , exact same item) on another occasion. Marriage pussy is no different. The hubby must continue procuring $$ to have access to the pussy, no matter how much he he has already ponied up.
You got to the nuts and bolts of it. Not only is the costs of goods $0 for them, Close to $0 but the girls do have to spend some money and time to be appealing and stay healthy. Some spend more than others no doubt but there is some cost to the provider. The income potential is still a big win though.
Be safe!
HappyHunter44
11-01-19, 14:40
Close to $0 but the girls do have to spend some money and time to be appealing and stay healthy. Some spend more than others no doubt but there is some cost to the provider. The income potential is still a big win though.
Be safe!I knew someone would bring this up. Sharp!! I wrote something similar, but more on the long-term costs. However, I deleted the paragraph because I did not want to take focus away from my main point and from the point the other poster was making, which is the pussy does not have to purchased or earned by the female.
Adding to what you said, the unavoidable major cost females pay is the pussy is only deemed "high value" by males for about 10 yrs (ages 15 - 25) then it is all downhill in value to males from there.
At that point, the expenditure to upkeep the pussy environment gives increasing diminishing returns on an annual basis (wonder why women seem to take less care of themselves after age 25 or so. That is why. They inherently know this). That is also why the hot 30+ MILF is such a sought after commodity. She has bucked the trend and decided to take care of herself, to not get fat, and to increase expenditures to keep up the pussy environment top notch as long as possible. And the hot MILF brings something of value that 20 yr old does not have. The MILF has better fuck technique and experience in most cases.
(Also, I am not advocating pedo stuff by saying ages 15 - 25 above. Those ages simply correspond biologically to the years of peak fertility for females.).
Close to $0 but the girls do have to spend some money and time to be appealing and stay healthy. Some spend more than others no doubt but there is some cost to the provider. The income potential is still a big win though.
Be safe!I have known a few girls who were hot and didn't use makeup or expensive hair treatments. They weren't ugly and they definitely got attention from men.
I once knew a girl who was pretty and had short straight hair which she cut herself; I guess she was an "extreme cheapskate" but she was nonetheless pretty.
Avoiding becoming fat is not an expense.
In the areas I have lived, there were very nice clothes and Nike sneakers etc. For $5-$10 which the girls could buy if they cared to.
I would agree that they do spend $ on Kotex / Tampax and use more toilet paper than we do.
Economically, each party sees himself coming out ahead of the position he was in prior to the trade. Therefore, for the trade to take place, each party must view the exchange as an economic gain. For each party to realize a gain, the exchanged items must be economically valued differently, i.e. , have unequal value to each party.I think "must view" is the operative concept there. How valuable something is to an individual is largely about perception (one man's junk is another man's treasure, etc.). A plastic Cracker Jack box toy might have zero value to most people, until you can convince them that it is a rare item and John Lennon used to carry one like it (or better yet that particular one) in his left pocket for good luck, then they might get in a bidding war over it. (There's bonus humor to be found within that particular example).
This means the key to getting top-shelf pussy at bargain rates is to maximize our skills in the game of modifying, to our benefit, their perception of us. Becoming good at that can bring our average cost-per-fuck down to ridiculously low amounts.
If she stays at 500 to 700 she quoted me, won't be too much volume. Told me we must have had some totally different arrangements in the past. YUP! Hope the BBBJTCIM was good!
.It was great. I messaged her again and you're right she seems to have upped her price. I may have been wrong about the high volume. The way she got down to business was just really quick and easy, and so it seemed like she was pretty used to getting the job done. Thinking back, I guess it could have just been her robotic personality.
This means the key to getting top-shelf pussy at bargain rates is to maximize our skills in the game of modifying, to our benefit, their perception of us. Becoming good at that can bring our average cost-per-fuck down to ridiculously low amounts.Most girls believe that most guys on SA are lying about their income and marital status. I've seen the categories as sugar, splenda, and salt. I'd argue the lot of us are splenda when viewed thru the typical Pretty Woman lens, and lots of girls learn this when their initial 1 k ppm ask is countered with 150. This forum is proof 🤔.
If you accept the above, then what is the image and perception we want to portray?
Geechie Dan
11-02-19, 14:22
https://www.seeking.com/member/100b4682-62b5-40dd-b052-f09b9a184c01
Anyone have intel on this SB? In my messaging with her she seems like a traditional pro.
Most girls believe that most guys on SA are lying about their income and marital status. I've seen the categories as sugar, splenda, and salt. I'd argue the lot of us are splenda when viewed thru the typical Pretty Woman lens, and lots of girls learn this when their initial 1 k ppm ask is countered with 150. This forum is proof 🤔.
If you accept the above, then what is the image and perception we want to portray?Lurker comment herewith; I knew a girl in S. Florida who used SA website to find eligible men for a relationship; she also used it for locating simps willing to buy her dinner.
She had a female friend who found a mega rich sugar daddy who paid her apartment rent and gave her a big allowance; this guy is like Bigfoot or a unicorn, they aren't so common.
A guy who has a lot of dough who is under 70 doesn't have to spend too much to find female company; he's not seen as a Quasimodo quite by the girls.
I have some dough but I'm not willing to spend more than what a top playboy model female in a foreign country charges for service.
Discussing this with my S. Florida "baby" whom I met offline from her coworker; how many hot females are out there who have a pussy; how many successful guys who aren't total warthogs or geezer dinosaurs are out there?
I would say that there are actually more broke desperate females; I also once told her that "at night all cats are black" and "from behind females are remarkably similar"=a substitute female is always out there.
She came to respect my frugality and no nonsense treatment; I said to her when she couldn't pay some bill or wanted her nails done and etc. "No pussy, no money. Come up and see me and you will have your money. ".
Most girls believe that most guys on SA are lying about their income and marital status. I've seen the categories as sugar, splenda, and salt. I'd argue the lot of us are splenda when viewed thru the typical Pretty Woman lens, and lots of girls learn this when their initial 1 k ppm ask is countered with 150. This forum is proof 🤔.
If you accept the above, then what is the image and perception we want to portray?Money is one of the main draws for them to look for an SD in the first place, but most of the girls I've met have some other underlying issues that are the "other" reason they enter the bowl. It can be anything from typical classic daddy issues / trying to replace a part of their life they missed out on, to the simple fact that they are sexually adventurous and have a need to mix up their otherwise boring life -- this is all of course in addition to their desire to upgrade their lifestyle (or in some cases get out of financially difficult situations). Understanding what their non-monetary needs are, and optimizing how well we give them a perception of fulfillment around those needs is the key to making the monetary needs less important.
But I think that pursuing a single, well defined-image to portray is probably futile. The successes I've had are nothing like that, it's all very situational and there is no one-size fits all solution. One thing I try to do is make her feel like she has ALL of my attention -- as if, other SBs don't matter to me anymore since I met her. This tactic actually seems to work a little too well, I get offers for "sugarless dating" all the time whenever I break the news I'm moving on. But, while the basic tactic as described works, there does not seem to be a blanket forumula how to execute that tactic, in fact it's different with every girl. What's more, it doesn't work on every girl. Being a very good listener, and saying the right thing at the right time is really a matter of practiced salesmanship I think. And failures still occur, but with practice you can greatly increase the success rate.
Just joining the bowl again after being on the side line for a bit. There must a ton of guys who go on "free rides" because most newish girls have similar stories: met up with some guy and he then left with no sugar in sight. (They never say out loud but it's implied that they did "stuff".
It seems it's rampant, at least in my area. Has this become the norm everywhere?
MTWilliams911
11-02-19, 22:06
Just joining the bowl again after being on the side line for a bit. There must a ton of guys who go on "free rides" because most newish girls have similar stories: met up with some guy and he then left with no sugar in sight. (They never say out loud but it's implied that they did "stuff".
It seems it's rampant, at least in my area. Has this become the norm everywhere?Not here in Nashville. We had one but we tracked him down and outed him as a f*cktard on this board.
Just joining the bowl again after being on the side line for a bit. There must a ton of guys who go on "free rides" because most newish girls have similar stories: met up with some guy and he then left with no sugar in sight. (They never say out loud but it's implied that they did "stuff".
It seems it's rampant, at least in my area. Has this become the norm everywhere?That's why pimps exist haha.
I would bet this is common even with newer hookers, it's an illegal act. If they don't collect money up front, and they don't have muscle they are SOL. Young amateur sugar babies who are already secretive and embarrassed about this are particularly at risk because they are most likely to keep it quiet.
Dirty business, and that's part of it. I'm sure the white knights on this board (who don't seem to have much luck with these w****s) will disagree but I don't feel the least bit bad for them.
BlueEyedMan58
11-03-19, 02:03
Another adventure today that if someone else wrote it I wouldn't believe, but it did happen to me -- and I'm far from the youngest or best looking or richest guy on SA. But I do keep myself in very good shape, and I guess I do have pretty good "game" and a fair amount of experience and confidence.
Anyway, had a M / G today with an early 30's elementary school teacher. We had been exchanging messages for weeks with long gaps and I'd kind of forgotten about her. We finally started messaging on email 3 days ago and set our "say hi" meeting for today. I had no expectations but, as always, was hopeful. (I usually go to these things "commando style" just in case, LOL).
It turned out her face was not as pretty as her pics -- a little older looking, maybe, not quite so glam. Her profile said 31, but I'm guessing 35-40 in reality. But her body was spinner-smoking, maybe a size 2 I'm guessing. We met at a coffee shop, but she immediately agreed to my suggestion that my car was a more private place to talk -- always a good sign. We had done a little B / D fooling around in our emails, and when she said she wasn't looking for a boyfriend but did want to have a sex life, I took that as my cue to ask if she was a genuine submissive. She said she was, and I asked ok, right here? She said yes, and (still in the coffee shop parking lot!) I told her to loosen her jeans and get herself off. She asked if it was ok if she got my car seat wet -- I said no problem -- and she came twice in less than two minutes. Good, loud intense ones, too. Then we were french kissing and her hand was on my dick through my pants.
Then she agreed to drive to a more secluded spot I knew for my fun -- BJ and ball licking. While she was doing that I reached around and stuck my hand under her jeans and put my finger up her asshole and she came again two more times with my finger in her ass and my dick in her mouth.
She had told me earlier she had some bills to pay but never asked for any thing in particular and I gave her a modest gift.
School lets out early Wednesday and we have a date for her house early afternoon to do all the things we didn't do today.
Dimples572
11-03-19, 10:15
How do you tell the difference between when you've been blocked vs when their account has been deactivated? Pretty sure I've got an example of both in the two messages I circled in the attached screenshot. Thanks.
Posting this here since you guys are by far the most open and educated.
Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?
I know WYP and SB play games with girls profile just not sure if SA follows suit.
Thanks,
Paul.
Posting this here since you guys are by far the most open and educated.
Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?
I know WYP and SB play games with girls profile just not sure if SA follows suit.
Thanks,
Paul.It shows them as active for an hour past their last activity. So if a girl signs off at 5 pm, she's still active at 5:59.
Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?
Yes, however it does usually indicate she was recently. Session status indicators, in all systems are inherently unreliable. It gets even bit more confusing when mobile apps enter the scene. Not to change the subject but if you get to the point where you're worried about whether a girl is online and ignoring you or not, you're focusing on the wrong thing. Flakes happen all the time and are part of the game. Worrying about any one girl is time that could be spent lining up another.
It shows them as active for an hour past their last activity. So if a girl signs off at 5 pm, she's still active at 5:59.If they are running the Android app in the background without realizing it, does it refresh the timer? I've never tried testing it.
Zcochran00
11-03-19, 20:18
How do you tell the difference between when you've been blocked vs when their account has been deactivated? Pretty sure I've got an example of both in the two messages I circled in the attached screenshot. Thanks.My assumption, and this is purely a guess, is that "SUGAR BABY" means they did actually close their account, while seeing the username means they probably blocked you.
Wondering if you guys have ever encountered this before.
Met a gorgeous, sweet and very submissive (but apparently sheltered) 18 year old.
Prior to the M&G, I had a phone chat with her, which I do on a case-by-case basis. In this case she seemed almost TGTBT and I wanted to not only confirm she was real but if so, make sure I played the sales game optimally.
She was what exactly she described herself as (18, which I verified by drivers license at the M&G table). Super sweet, sexually inexperienced, recently out of highschool and only in her first couple of months of college. I guess being away from mom and dad exposed her to other girls that were sugaring, and that prompted her to try.
But she kept calling me "Sir" on the phone. Yes sir, no sir. I said I wanted her to be herself with me, the yes sir and no sir was not required and to just call me by my first name. I'm no stranger to the yes-sir thing during submissive bedroom play, but I was afraid that if I didn't make her as comfortable as possible, she was a flight risk and would flake prior to the M&G due to cold feet. I wanted to give her every reason to show up, starting with being as comfortable with me as possible.
It paid off, she showed up and I could tell she went from nervous to completely charmed in a matter of minutes, she liked me better in person than my pics and I guess I was running my A game that night, so it was off to the FC.
Fucking her was an absolute joy, she was inexperienced like she said but that was part of the fun. Her eagerness to please, while not completely knowing what to do, was part of the magic of the encounter. She said her sexual experience was limited to three guys her age, and I fully believe it after having her.
In the middle of sex, she starts with baby-daddy talk. She had researched the lifestyle pretty well over the web before our date, and it was probably a by-product of that or exposure to lots of sugar related porn. Calling me daddy and being submissive in general seemed to be her comfort zone.
So my question is, have any of you guys encountered one of these? So submissive she's already talking to you as if you're a hardcore BDSM master, but yet so sexually inexperienced that she couldn't possibly be doing it out of practice or habit.
If so, how did you handle it? Did you play along and demand subserviance or did you do what I did and place a priority on making sure she shows up so you actually get a chance to taste that 18 year old not yet broken-in pussy?
How do you tell the difference between when you've been blocked vs when their account has been deactivated? Pretty sure I've got an example of both in the two messages I circled in the attached screenshot. Thanks.Have a second SA account. Don't pay the $89/ month for it.
Just use it to look at the SBs account to see if it is still there.
I agree with OliverNP, though. If you are worrying about a SB blocking you, you are playing the wrong game on SA. Don't get attached to one girl if she doesn't show interest.
Your time is much better spent moving on to one of the hundreds of other SBs who will attend to your needs.
But she kept calling me "Sir" on the phone. Yes sir, no sir. When I get that in texting, I ask "Sir? Military brat, Southern Belle or submissive?" and the answer is usually B & C or All of the Above.
If so, how did you handle it? Did you play along and demand subserviance or did you do what I did and place a priority on making sure she shows up so you actually get a chance to taste that 18 year old not yet broken-in pussy?I doubt she truly understands the BDSM master dynamic unless she has done EXTENSIVE porn watching and really gotten into it, which woudl be rare. I'd say just take it as basic submission. Spank her, choke her, pull her hair, talk dirty and a little degrading and reciprocated wiht the DD / LG side of things. That's probably as extreme as she is looking for unless she is a total freak.
Granted, I did meet such a freak in Chicago. 23, living with a 42 yo dom and she gets off being abused by cock and treated like a ***** -- I'm talking pro level kink. But only one like that in 5 years and nearly 70 SBs served.
When I get that in texting, I ask "Sir? Military brat, Southern Belle or submissive?" and the answer is usually B & C or All of the Above.
I doubt she truly understands the BDSM master dynamic unless she has done EXTENSIVE porn watching and really gotten into it, which woudl be rare. I'd say just take it as basic submission. Spank her, choke her, pull her hair, talk dirty and a little degrading and reciprocated wiht the DD / LG side of things. That's probably as extreme as she is looking for unless she is a total freak.I think you're right, both that she's naturally submissive and didn't have any sort of BDSM angle. A lot of things like choking would have really rattled this little girls cage, she was a bit too fragile for that. To give you an idea, she was still referring to adults as "grown ups". LOL. I think one would need to hear her speak to hear the level of maturity (or lack of I should say).
I rarely get the same innocence vibe I got from her, even from girls her age. I got the feeling she was saying "yes sir" mainly because she was nervous / skittish. Even in her original profile she indicated she was looking for something a bit more beginner-friendly than what she thought most would be looking for.
I was tempted to play it for all it's worth and really unlock that submissive side sexually, but it was kind of like landing a prize fish on fragile line. The thought of potentially missing out on that sweet pussy if she got cold feet was enough to make me adjust my game to make sure I got her to the FC. And yeah, it was worth it. One of my more memorable SBs.
Josephr9999
11-05-19, 20:48
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?TBH, everything you wrote above is probably what you should tell her. Don't break your bank for trim, you have a budget and if she wants it she knows what she needs to do. You may need to change your expectations of when where and how often, but if you are looking for a sugar relationship rather than a pump and dump youd be better off communicating openly. If she can't get past it then you just saved a shit ton of cash.
Posting this here since you guys are by far the most open and educated.
Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?
I know WYP and SB play games with girls profile just not sure if SA follows suit.
Thanks,
Paul.If she's got the app running on her phone it will show her as online.
HappyHunter44
11-05-19, 22:10
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?One thing I would point out is there is zero correlation to the amount of $$ given to an SB in relation to how hot she is, how young she is, how well she fucks, how clean she is and how much you enjoy being around her and she around you. Absolutely none whatsoever, so the 350 ppm is really irrelevant to the whole thing because there are definitely babes just as hot and more fun for much lower. Therefore, if she is beyond your budget, then move on.
Think of it this way. She already got 2 really nice dinners out of you. I have been having fun with a 19 yr old (slim, great boobs and just plain hot) and have yet to spend more than $25 at happy hours and she is happy to go and fuck for 3 - 4 hours after that. I give her 100 ppm and she never questions or complains and always shows up on time with a smile, clean as heck and tons of fun. Just brought another like her into the rotation, so that makes two in that age range and price.
Unlike the SB you are talking to, I was never compared (at least to my face) with what other SDs did for her in the past. And if she ever did that I would have asked her, "How would you like it if I compared what your arrangement should be to the hottest babe I ever had?" I bet that would end that comparison right there.
However, given that I almost cannot get my main SB to leave when we meet and she enjoys hanging around watching movies etc. I know for sure she is in it for the fun, a real male connection and she does not have to worry that I am a creep or anything. In short, she is accepting the 100 ppm for a great fuck, fun, and a sense of safety. And, if I were to venture a good guess, it is the safety part that probably means the most to her. 350 ppm would not last long if I were a creep or unpleasant to be around, simply because she would move on from that situation.
My overall point - if the SB you are talking to and already taking out to dinners is in it for the total environment (likes you, likes your company, likes how you fuck her, and likes how you make her feel at the end), not just the $$, then she would accept lower than 350. If she would not accept less than 350, then she is just a flat-out civie escort deluding herself into thinking she is an out-for-fun SB. In that case, you are not taking out an SB; you are taking out an escort.
Just my 2 cents.
What's it worth to you? That's all that matters. I'm in my 60's. My best "value" was a 27 why / o who spent her weekends at my house and I paid her utilities. Bought tires for her car once, because she needed them to be able to safely drive 30 miles to me. She was happy, I was happy. If your girl isn't happy with what you're offering, find another girl. BTW, I operate out of a town of less than 5,000. She lives in a town of about 35,000. I travel often and sample from a range of 150 miles. Next weekend will be with a 21 why / o who is into light bondage. We've been communicating off and on for a couple of months with no mention of an allowance. I'll pay the hotel and slip an envelope with 150 into her purse. Then we'll see where it goes.
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?There's nothing wrong with your usual level of sugar if the girl likes you. At $350 she's thinking like an escort. You're two dinners in and you just need to stop spending needlessly. You've more than shown her who you are and your vibe and it's up to her to decide if she wants to spend time with you or not. Be clear about your budget and let her go if she's not happy.
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?I'm not in S. Carolina but lurking around also. I was in S. Florida for a few years and I met a female who requested a relationship with me and said she'd like some dough and I said sounds good to me.
My approach was I had a "budget" and there were "rules". I basically said "no pussy, no money. ".
If you explain your budget to the female, she will either 1. Accept it 2. Pretend to accept it until she moves on to a guy with money to spend on her.
Once a female has decided no free pussy for men that's it; you either pay her what she thinks is fair or expect her to leave the arrangement.
I think $150 per meeting is a reasonable amount; that includes the meals or pussy and everything. Over that I won't continue the arrangement.
I once picked up a girl and asked her "ok so are you interested in dinner or in shopping? My budget is for either one. " She picked shopping at Marshall's or Ross or similar. She was happy and modeled the dresses for me later.
If you can't find common ground with prices no amount of game is going to help; look for another because she is looking for the guy who is willing to spend more money.
HappyHunter44
11-06-19, 22:20
I think $150 per meeting is a reasonable amount; that includes the meals or pussy and everything. Over that I won't continue the arrangement.
I once picked up a girl and asked her "ok so are you interested in dinner or in shopping? My budget is for either one. " She picked shopping at Marshall's or Ross or similar. She was happy and modeled the dresses for me later.I use $200 as my limit and so far only hit it once. And that included everything: Happy hour, FC and ppm.
You are nicer than I am in a sense. I do not offer shopping, but then I have an SO so I cannot be seen walking around in public. I meet at the restaurant Happy Hour (I choose the place) and then straight to the FC. That seems to make it fun for the girls (as opposed to meeting at the FC) and by the time we hit the FC she is having fun and laughing a lot, so it does not feel transactional.
I must comment that you post some really good stuff, so no need to call yourself a lurker or think you are clogging the board. You are helping out a lot of mongers in the SD / SB game.
EDIT: I should add that there are so many hot SBs happy with the alpha male company and $ ppm that even entertaining 250 and 300 ppm SBs just seem like a waste to me. For each one of those higher ppm ones, there is an equivalent SB thrilled with 100. It just takes a little of patience and time to sift them out.
Must have have some serious game, your younger, or something to be hitting all the hot pussy your talking about for $100 to $150 and the girls to be ecstatic about it.
I use $200 as my limit and so far only hit it once. And that included everything: Happy hour, FC and ppm.
You are nicer than I am in a sense. I do not offer shopping, but then I have an SO so I cannot be seen walking around in public. I meet at the restaurant Happy Hour (I choose the place) and then straight to the FC. That seems to make it fun for the girls (as opposed to meeting at the FC) and by the time we hit the FC she is having fun and laughing a lot, so it does not feel transactional.
I must comment that you post some really good stuff, so no need to call yourself a lurker or think you are clogging the board. You are helping out a lot of mongers in the SD / SB game.
EDIT: I should add that there are so many hot SBs happy with the alpha male company and $ ppm that even entertaining 250 and 300 ppm SBs just seem like a waste to me. For each one of those higher ppm ones, there is an equivalent SB thrilled with 100. It just takes a little of patience and time to sift them out..
HappyHunter44
11-07-19, 00:12
Must have have some serious game, your younger, or something to be hitting all the hot pussy your talking about for $100 to $150 and the girls to be ecstatic about it.Or I work through the hot girls and find the ones who are in it for the thrill, want real male company and are tired of dating dumb young guys who do not know how to treat them and fuck them, i.e. , the $ is but a part of the total reason for them being on the site, not the main or only reason they are there.
Some game is needed, but nothing special. I mentioned before that my wife was a former Ford model in NY = hot as hell. Even hotter when she added 20 lbs after modeling was over. Many guys have asked me how I got her. Hate to break it, but there is no secret. All I did was only ask out babes who were drop dead gorgeous. Did not waste my time with anything else. Got lots of rejections, but a fair share of "I would love to go out. " One of them turned into a wife, and she is still around.
Some 30 years later, I am doing the same thing on SA. Approach only hot babes and some 10% will seriously bite if you seem like a nice guy. And, if you really turn out to be nice guy, over half of those will bang you happily for not much. The $ is really icing on the cake for those girls. Basic math. No major game involved.
I'm lurking and the experience I am relating was in S. Florida where there is much more female talent so it may not apply everywhere so just for what it's worth.
"Baby" #1 acted like she was interested in being something like a girlfriend but we didn't hang around much outside of my condo. She didn't care about wining and dining; she was from a poor family and dated broke guys so didn't have experience eating out often and didn't care. I would give her $100 every time I saw her naked; sometimes she had an emergency like a flat tire ($70) I would pay for it. If I took her shopping it was once at Ross and I spend $24. I was introduced to her socially, she is not on any dating site or Seeking Arrangement. Her coworker had bragged to her about me which piqued her interest. She didn't complain about the $100 just she was always in some financial difficulty; broken or lost iPhone, car needed work, etc. She was still doing some health care training for some kind of certificate. She was a tee totaler who developed a love for champagne which we had before the action. She was 21 when we started.
"UTR"#2 She was introduced to me by a friend who was sometimes a rich dude's sugar baby but I would call both call girls. Mine was much more UTR than our mutual acquaintance. This UTR girl was also very pretty and had a regular day job farther south from my location, maybe Miami. She would come over to my place and we would have mimosas in the am then hit the sheets. She didn't ask me for money and I gave her $100. She was very happy with this amount and would text me often hoping to come back to see me. We would go to a fun Cuban restaurant sometimes after the action.
Chubby "semi baby"#3 Baby #1 had a friend whom I met once or twice; she was 36, Haitian, single mom, very friendly and very chubby. She would talk on the phone to me about her difficulties and I invited her and her son up to splash in our pool on her day off. She cannot compare in looks to the others but she was very easy to be around and not a flake. She always said she wished she could meet a sugar daddy; I told her that it's hard work to do; she would have to work out a lot to maintain her figure, etc. This is probably mean, but I just thought she should realize how gorgeous broke females were all over S. Florida.
She came over on her day off to talk about her 401 K and etc. And we had a glass of lemonade. I got the vibes from her and I pulled down my shorts right there and whipped out my dick and she grabbed it. We hit the bedroom and she was a lot of fun; we would look at porn on my iPad laying next to each other to get warmed up. She was totally cool and I would give her $40 or $50 every time I saw her and she didn't complain.
If my spending ever came up, I would give an excuse that although I had money in investments, I didn't want to spend it down too quickly; I would talk about the taxes which I would pay and how I must be careful not to spend too quickly, I am not yet receiving social security, etc. This explanation was acceptable if the need arose.
Now I am far away from Florida in California and all 3 girls keep in touch with me; baby #1 and semi-baby #3 call me too.
Probably if I had met them on Seeking Arrangement my transactions would have been more expensive and the girls more like hookers; I don't know but I will find out.
Do I actually deep down trust them? No, it's not possible to trust them because there is both a need for money and a history of my paying money involved.
I guess I can sometimes balance my behavior between being a pushover and too controlling; I guess I'm just polite and hope for the best and watch my wallet always.
BlueEyedMan58
11-07-19, 10:34
A few days ago I described an amazing M / G that led to a very hot in car experience, to be followed by a date scheduled for yesterday. Lots of anticipatory "can't wait" type messages exchanged both ways over the last few days, including a nasty (in the good sense) message from her when she got home from work on Tuesday. I replied in a similarly nasty vein right away, expecting to hear from her later that evening. No reply at all. Then I messaged early yesterday (Wednesday) morning inquiring about the logistics of our planned meeting. Again, no reply -- and so of course no date. But I do see she was back on SA last night. So, should I message and ask what went wrong for curiosity if no other reason. Or, since she kind of blew me off, just forget about her and move on (I do have at least 2 good options still in my queue). What would others do?
Dimples572
11-07-19, 10:55
A few days ago I described an amazing M / G that led to a very hot in car experience, to be followed by a date scheduled for yesterday. Lots of anticipatory "can't wait" type messages exchanged both ways over the last few days, including a nasty (in the good sense) message from her when she got home from work on Tuesday. I replied in a similarly nasty vein right away, expecting to hear from her later that evening. No reply at all. Then I messaged early yesterday (Wednesday) morning inquiring about the logistics of our planned meeting. Again, no reply -- and so of course no date. But I do see she was back on SA last night. So, should I message and ask what went wrong for curiosity if no other reason. Or, since she kind of blew me off, just forget about her and move on (I do have at least 2 good options still in my queue). What would others do?Just my common rule to go by, but its if I've sent two messages after their most recent reply and don't get a response I let it go & move on. I get it that these girls are getting a ton of attention but no one's that busy that over a two or three day period that if they're truly interested that they can't respond at least once over a couple day period. If they're actually interested they'll get back to you just out of common courtesy.
A few days ago I described an amazing M / G that led to a very hot in car experience, to be followed by a date scheduled for yesterday. Lots of anticipatory "can't wait" type messages exchanged both ways over the last few days, including a nasty (in the good sense) message from her when she got home from work on Tuesday. I replied in a similarly nasty vein right away, expecting to hear from her later that evening. No reply at all. Then I messaged early yesterday (Wednesday) morning inquiring about the logistics of our planned meeting. Again, no reply -- and so of course no date. But I do see she was back on SA last night. So, should I message and ask what went wrong for curiosity if no other reason. Or, since she kind of blew me off, just forget about her and move on (I do have at least 2 good options still in my queue). What would others do?Move on.
In 2019, any female who doesn't reply to a couple of messages is best left alone. Not only to save your time, but to avoid her claiming you are making her uncomfortable or stalking her.
HappyHunter44
11-07-19, 11:58
What would others do?I would do what Dimples572 said. One thing that must be remembered is SA fills an attention getting narcissistic need for many women who never intend on putting out fully. They get their high on feeling wanted and then move on to next guy. Need to weed those out fast and move on. Too many fish in the sea to spend time on one that purposely cut the line.
https://www.seeking.com/member/100b4682-62b5-40dd-b052-f09b9a184c01
Anyone have intel on this SB? In my messaging with her she seems like a traditional pro.Did you meet up with her?
Geechie Dan
11-07-19, 16:44
Did you meet up with her?Actually I have something set up for tonight. I will report back.
Actually I have something set up for tonight. I will report back.Please do. I've been texting with her but haven't been able to find time that works for me. Are you going to her place?
Geechie Dan
11-07-19, 22:57
Please do. I've been texting with her but haven't been able to find time that works for me. Are you going to her place?She got a ride to my place tonight. The good is that she looks like her pics, and maybe a little slimmer. Mid to late 20's. The pussy is very tight, so if you got girth take it easy. The head game was ok, but she seems willing to please.
The bad s that she talks a lot. Keep her focused on the task at hand or she'll go off on a tangent.
Honestly she does not come across as your typical SB although her conversation says she wants something ongoing. Really not sure if I'll repeat, but as I sit here thinking about how tight she was, it will be hard not to repeat. My overall opinion is that she was just ok.
TomDickNHarry
11-08-19, 11:54
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?First of all, as has been mentioned in this thread a lot, who knows what she got in the past or if she did it at all. Even if it's true, it's probably not as much as she says (they always embellish) and Korea has no applicability to here anyway. But "what I got last time" is a very common negotiating tactic that they can read about on forums and reddit that helps frame the price. You just need to decide what you want to give her and make the offer. Honestly, I wouldn't do even do a 3rd dinner without a negotiation to make sure it's going somewhere at an allowance you can do. Sounds like you're going to nice places, and are going to be in for almost 500 bucks without any clothes coming off? I've been patient like that with some that say they need to get comfortable but I don't spend a lot of money in the process, that way I know they're not rinsers and are really just trying to get comfortable. And heck, it it were regular dating I expect physical things to be happening by date 2 or 3. If you do want to make your offer in person, change the plan to meeting for a cocktail or meeting at a hip coffee shop and save 100+ in case it goes nowhere. If she balks at that, she's a rinser and / or is not likely to accept your offer anyway. As far as amount, 200 in my town has become the bare minimum. If you really like her and can swing it, that's probably what I'd offer, and I'd frame it as she did, "In the past I've done 100 to 150 but I really like you and want to make this work and would do 200 a date for you, but that's the best I can do, especially with your living situation and transportation issues. " Good luck brother.
JustLonely
11-08-19, 21:17
Just a brief thumbs up on this one. An employed young gal who enjoys after work drinks at a hotel bar. YMMV but very fun up in the room as well.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ba575673-238f-461a-a747-b93f0479ac3b
She got a ride to my place tonight. The good is that she looks like her pics, and maybe a little slimmer. Mid to late 20's. The pussy is very tight, so if you got girth take it easy. The head game was ok, but she seems willing to please.
The bad s that she talks a lot. Keep her focused on the task at hand or she'll go off on a tangent.
Honestly she does not come across as your typical SB although her conversation says she wants something ongoing. Really not sure if I'll repeat, but as I sit here thinking about how tight she was, it will be hard not to repeat. My overall opinion is that she was just ok.Thanks for the report. I may hang out once just because of the tightness.
Just a brief thumbs up on this one. An employed young gal who enjoys after work drinks at a hotel bar. YMMV but very fun up in the room as well.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ba575673-238f-461a-a747-b93f0479ac3bLike the general look but always wonder about imipacts of preganancy, and whe she prefers not to say how many kids, I'm thinking at least 2. Trying to avoid the "punched lasagna" or too much tummy softness.
FarFarAway
11-10-19, 19:21
Many here use GV for contact w / SBs, it's the safe way to go, you can always ghost and it is hard for them to track you down. I have received multiple calls to my GV # in the past few days from 800 #s, each leaves a voicemail saying stuff like my SSN has been blocked, I need to call in to get this addressed. Obviously, this is a scam, IDK how / why my GV# is being targeted. It seems like this could be a strategy they are using generally.
Zcochran00
11-11-19, 03:18
Many here use GV for contact w / SBs, it's the safe way to go, you can always ghost and it is hard for them to track you down. I have received multiple calls to my GV # in the past few days from 800 #s, each leaves a voicemail saying stuff like my SSN has been blocked, I need to call in to get this addressed. Obviously, this is a scam, IDK how / why my GV# is being targeted. It seems like this could be a strategy they are using generally.I've been getting a bunch of those to my real cell number lately, so it seems to be a widespread scam, yeah.
Zcochran00
11-11-19, 03:32
Had a fun first encounter this evening, with one surprising bit of discussion at the end.
I'd been contacted a few days ago by a college girl outside my usual area (still driveable, but definitely further than I'd normally consider). We seemed to click over messaging and text, and I drove out to meet her this evening. We talked for a good couple hours before either of us made a move to get down to business. A couple of her text comments had indicated that she was new to sugaring, and that she knew sex was on the table but might need to feel comfortable with me first. After talking with her in person, though, she made a comment about putting on "a bit of an innocent act". In any case, we had a couple very enthusiastically fun rounds once we got going.
We hadn't discussed an allowance at all, which is usually a good sign. As we were dressing and getting ready to leave, I handed her an envelope (as I usually do), and she actually seemed legitimately confused by that. This was the weird part: she said something about "I thought that didn't happen until like the third or fourth meeting". I kinda went "huh? And told her that no, we'd actually met up and spent time together, so I was happy to help out.
We've all talked to girls that expected a gift at the M&G (which of course goes against standard protocol). I don't think I've ever talked to anyone before this who was happy to get together and fuck, but not actually get any allowance until a few meetings later.
Anyone ever had a similar experience?
About the YMMV, went to Text, wanted to meet for a drink, she was agreeable, not sure what your magic was, but she wanted 100 to just meet, yeah. No,
Just a brief thumbs up on this one. An employed young gal who enjoys after work drinks at a hotel bar. YMMV but very fun up in the room as well.
https://www.seeking.com/member/ba575673-238f-461a-a747-b93f0479ac3b.
We hadn't discussed an allowance at all, which is usually a good sign. As we were dressing and getting ready to leave, I handed her an envelope (as I usually do), and she actually seemed legitimately confused by that. This was the weird part: she said something about "I thought that didn't happen until like the third or fourth meeting". I kinda went "huh? And told her that no, we'd actually met up and spent time together, so I was happy to help out.
Anyone ever had a similar experience?I've had college POTs find $200 for no holes barred to be like a gift from the gods, but never one who thought test drives were needed before $$.
We hadn't discussed an allowance at all, which is usually a good sign. As we were dressing and getting ready to leave, I handed her an envelope (as I usually do), and she actually seemed legitimately confused by that. This was the weird part: she said something about "I thought that didn't happen until like the third or fourth meeting". I kinda went "huh? And told her that no, we'd actually met up and spent time together, so I was happy to help out.
We've all talked to girls that expected a gift at the M&G (which of course goes against standard protocol). I don't think I've ever talked to anyone before this who was happy to get together and fuck, but not actually get any allowance until a few meetings later.
Anyone ever had a similar experience?I had one similar experience. Very nice looking girl, great body, but probably the craziest I have encountered. Talked non-stop too. No mention of payment but she kept talking about her rich friends, former boyfriend who paid her bills, etc. Had a couple drinks followed by a great romp, she was extremely submissive and liked it a little rough. Sometimes crazy has its advantages. Afterwards when I slipped her the envelope, she said "what's this?" and seemed genuinely surprised. I suppose I could have skipped that step and she wouldn't have even noticed. Too crazy for me to repeat!
She got a ride to my place tonight. The good is that she looks like her pics, and maybe a little slimmer. Mid to late 20's. The pussy is very tight, so if you got girth take it easy. The head game was ok, but she seems willing to please.
The bad s that she talks a lot. Keep her focused on the task at hand or she'll go off on a tangent.
Honestly she does not come across as your typical SB although her conversation says she wants something ongoing. Really not sure if I'll repeat, but as I sit here thinking about how tight she was, it will be hard not to repeat. My overall opinion is that she was just ok.Been talking with her, she is sporadic in returning text, and goes balistic if you don't respond immediately.
Geechie Dan
11-11-19, 15:57
Been talking with her, she is sporadic in returning text, and goes balistic if you don't respond immediately.She got a little impatient with me once when I didn't return a text soon enough, then I told her I was busy at work and she was ok after that. IMHO she seems desperate for the cash and I tend to leave those ones alone. There's much better to be had out there, and I don't plan on repeating.
With the Hoidays fast approaching, I am ready to sign back up to SA again.
What's the prepaid card that works with SA the most? Any specific instructions on registering it and using it?
Thanks.
With the Hoidays fast approaching, I am ready to sign back up to SA again.
What's the prepaid card that works with SA the most? Any specific instructions on registering it and using it?
Thanks.Gee, this question has been asked and answered so many times it should get a prize for Most FAQ! It's not hard, don't make it hard:
1. Get a OneVanilla gift card. They have Visa and MasterCard versions, sold at CVS, Walmart and probably lots of other places. They all work just fine. Get the kind you add value to once when you buy it, not the loadable ones.
2. Go to OneVanilla website and register a zip code for the card. Any zip code.
3. Use on SA to pay your dues. Use same zip code you registered.
4. Any leftover value you can use for gas or just about anything. With the Visa or MasterCard logo they are good just about everywhere. Gas is good because you can use the unround number value left over down to the cent.
5. You are in charge of answering the question for the next guy, which should happen in about 15 minutes.
Josephr9999
11-12-19, 17:10
Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?So I had another dinner date with her last week, similar to the others. Didn't have much discussion about allowance other than I told her I was providing 100 ppm in the past but also provided occasional other assistance and paid for vacations, really nice restaurants etc. Her response wasn't enthusiastic but more so she needed to process what that meant for her. We planned a quick lunch date the next day since I was in town. I wasn't expecting a full allowance discussion since it was just lunch and time was limited. We had lunch the next day and as I dropped her off she said she wanted 200 because of past arrangements, what she needed to alleviate her financial burdens blah blah blah etc etc. I said I was at the 100 for my reasons stated. She back pedaled a bit on the vacations and other gifts, saying her schedule was tough to do that anyways and she preferred a higher set amount and no extras. I replied that the trips and extra gifts are important to me because then I know the girl isn't seeing me just for my wallet but also appreciates the other money I spend on her. She asked if she could think about it, kissed me goodbye and left. I saw her back on SA immediately and again the next day so I figured I knew her answer was going to be no. So, I texted her the next day and suggested that our budget wasn't very far apart. It's more a matter of where and how it is spent and we should have a one-on-one discussion about it not in public and not in my car. So, I invited her to my place and said I'd bring her home the next morning unless we couldn't come to an agreement which then I'd bring her home that same evening. She thought that was a great idea so we made plans for last night at my place. She doesn't have a car, so I had to pick her up and drive her to my place (40 minutes each way). Everything went well, we had dinner together and then talked. She wanted 2. I wanted 1 plus extras. I told her I'd provided a little more in the past arrangements if someone else was doing the driving but it is a bit inconvenient to have to transport her back and forth. She wasn't budging. I offered 150 to meet half way. She still wasn't budging but we finally agreed on 175. I figured I'd sample her a few times and if the arrangement was not what the potential looked, I'd just end it down the road and she could do the same. I'm the type that would do the extra stuff for her anyways if things were going well in the long run. The evening was going perfectly, we finished a bottle of vino and set some parameters for an arrangement along with public and bedroom ground rules. She wanted exclusive too. We seemed to really click. Like better than 90% of women I've dated certainly on SA but also my own age. We got to the bedroom and went at the foreplay rather passionately and once I got between her thighs and gave her a light tongue swipe she pulled back and freaked out. She got hit by an anxiety attack and went cold. Tears, the whole bit. I backed off, didn't even try to talk her through it. She said she left her anxiety med at home and just wanted to go home to settle down. She was texting madly with some friend that keeps tabs on her. I suspected a BF or something. So after getting dressed I asked her downstairs if she had a BF. She said no, won't date guys due to their immaturity and lack of honesty which is why she was on SA. It was now after midnight so I asked her if her friend would meet us half way so I didn't have to drive there and back for 90 minutes since I was pretty tired. She texted the friend and said her friend was unable to do so. Some friend I'm thinking. Ok, if you need to go home I will bring you because I'm a man of my word and our arrangement was such that I would keep you safe. The 40 minute ride to her place was dead silent other than me offering her a sip off my water bottle. When she got out of the car, she said thank you and I replied "you're welcome" and that was it. I doubt I'll ever hear from her again.
What a disappointing ending. Finally found one that I clicked with after 5 dates on a different level than all the other girls and it appeared the sex was going to be epic as well only to crash and burn a foot from the finish line. My biggest disappointment is the amount I spent on the dates leading up but I still had fun and made out with a hot young coed and the law of averages probably caught up with me. At least I hadn't given her any cash yet. I made plans today with another SB I met last week. She's coming to my place for dinner and cuddling. The allowance will be a lot less, if any except she's not near as hot as my little Latina. Back to the random pump and dumps for awhile I guess. Beats being married.
HappyHunter44
11-12-19, 17:29
We seemed to really click. A different take - She just got nicer and nicer given that you were spending tons of money (food etc.) and time on her without her having to put out for real. And as soon as she was in the position to put out, walla, anxiety attack and cannot do it. She telegraphed this end by negotiating ad nauseum. This was about getting cold hard cash from you, not being an SB.
She is the long play version of a scam, as I suspect she went home with the 175. If an SB is not able to commit to pussy access at the meet and greet (there is only one M&G by the way), I am out because the chances of her doing so later goes to nearly zero. Never experienced that myself, but having RTFF other seniors have made that clear. Sorry about the end, but it was predictable.
Josephr9999
11-12-19, 19:43
She is the long play version of a scam, as I suspect she went home with the 175. If an SB is not able to commit to pussy access at the meet and greet (there is only one M&G by the way), I am out because the chances of her doing so later goes to nearly zero. Never experienced that myself, but having RTFF other seniors have made that clear. Sorry about the end, but it was predictable.Nope, she did not go home with 175. She went home with nothing. I'm hardly new to the game. This one was a bit unique which was why I asked for opinions here last week on how to handle her knowing our allowance amount was different. I had made abundantly clear to her no allowance til the pussy flowed. She agreed to an overnight after the 3rd date, said we could get a hotel room too. The 4th date was a simple lunch is all. I don't think she's a scammer nor a rinser looking for free dinners. She knew the score and neither of us was new to the game, it became a little bit of cat and mouse with the amount. My home is outside of town, dead end road, looks like a man-cave. I think her anxiety just got to her and was overwhelmed. Shit, she was ripping her clothes off and was bare-ass naked like a freak with me going down on her and all of a sudden she flipped. Just not stable without meds I guess.
A different take - She just got nicer and nicer given that you were spending tons of money (food etc.) and time on her without her having to put out for real. And as soon as she was in the position to put out, walla, anxiety attack and cannot do it. She telegraphed this end by negotiating ad nauseum. This was about getting cold hard cash from you, not being an SB.
She is the long play version of a scam, as I suspect she went home with the 175. If an SB is not able to commit to pussy access at the meet and greet (there is only one M&G by the way), I am out because the chances of her doing so later goes to nearly zero. Never experienced that myself, but having RTFF other seniors have made that clear. Sorry about the end, but it was predictable.I came to a similar conclusion; reading about the negotiation of back and forth I thought that she would never agree to anything.
Without judging the approach, I don't talk about trips, vacations, etc. To any female of the age which I desire; they either have not enough time, or are not that interested in my company, or they would prefer to go someplace I would not, e. G. DisneyWorld in Orlando.
If the "baby" is not that interested in my company, that's OK; they like cash. "You've won a trip worth $1000!" (The Price is Right) would interest few girls I have known that are broke and like the idea of being paid for paying attention to my dick.
My severely limited "baby" experience in S. Florida indicated to me that the time available to spend with me was fleeting and so I had to make the best of it, and so did she (cash).
My "baby" went once out of town with me on a little "road trip" and she didn't want to linger in the town, just get back. At least I got some action for the motel rent which was fine.
They want cash, clothes, shoes, bills paid, and don't even care about eating out usually.
I have noticed from the 2 "babies" I hung around in S. Florida that all have expectations which are unrealistic but that's OK; so do I maybe.
The two babies both approached me and I did not pursue them; I didn't text them to talk about anything because I didn't know if they would use the text against me in some way. I said "talk to me on the phone or in person. ".
The man is the prize; your money is the gold inside the prize package. If they don't seem that interested in pursuing the meet with you, it's unlikely to be satisfactory to either.
HappyHunter44
11-12-19, 23:06
Nope, she did not go home with 175. She went home with nothing. I'm hardly new to the game. This one was a bit unique which was why I asked for opinions here last week on how to handle her knowing our allowance amount was different. I had made abundantly clear to her no allowance til the pussy flowed. She agreed to an overnight after the 3rd date, said we could get a hotel room too. The 4th date was a simple lunch is all. I don't think she's a scammer nor a rinser looking for free dinners. She knew the score and neither of us was new to the game, it became a little bit of cat and mouse with the amount. My home is outside of town, dead end road, looks like a man-cave. I think her anxiety just got to her and was overwhelmed. Shit, she was ripping her clothes off and was bare-ass naked like a freak with me going down on her and all of a sudden she flipped. Just not stable without meds I guess.Glad to hear that she left with nothing. However, notice the outcome. She never put out, yet you still spent some $400+ on her already. All the clothes off and stuff really means nothing, as she nipped everything in the bud last minute because she was never going through with it. All the rest is show.
Her hope was that you would feel sorry for her and cave, thereby giving her the 175 even though you got zero pussy. Of course she would think that given you already spent over $400 without getting into her pants. I highly suspect the clothes off part etc. was not part of the plan and she got in over her head. Explains the texting to a "friend" also. The friend was directing the show / running cover and she lost control.
Sticking to your guns and not parting with the money were good moves. Do not be fooled by the theatrics. I suspect you will not hear from her because the game is up. If she really wanted to be an SB, she knows where a consistent 175 is waiting for her. But alas, she would have to actually put out for that and that is not part of her plan. If she is a real SB, she would take her anti-anxiety medicine, calm down, and then come back. I would be surprised if that happened.
Josephr9999
11-13-19, 11:55
Glad to hear that she left with nothing. However, notice the outcome. She never put out, yet you still spent some $400+ on her already. All the clothes off and stuff really means nothing, as she nipped everything in the bud last minute because she was never going through with it. All the rest is show.
Her hope was that you would feel sorry for her and cave, thereby giving her the 175 even though you got zero pussy. Of course she would think that given you already spent over $400 without getting into her pants. I highly suspect the clothes off part etc. was not part of the plan and she got in over her head. Explains the texting to a "friend" also. The friend was directing the show / running cover and she lost control.
Sticking to your guns and not parting with the money were good moves. Do not be fooled by the theatrics. I suspect you will not hear from her because the game is up. If she really wanted to be an SB, she knows where a consistent 175 is waiting for her. But alas, she would have to actually put out for that and that is not part of her plan. If she is a real SB, she would take her anti-anxiety medicine, calm down, and then come back. I would be surprised if that happened.Your summary is the likely scenario. I think she has a willingness to put out. For her price. I flat out told her during our negotiation that if she really wants more money, she may be able to find someone willing to give her 300 but he's likely to be a lot older, fat, ugly, not fun, and controlling. I'm decent looking and in reasonably good shape and treat people respectfully. She agreed and said she just couldn't do it that way with an ugly fat guy. However, actions speak louder than words and she flaked. The odd thing is that she was naked in my bed with no lifeline for miles. A wise girl would have given up the pussy and walked with the 175 then ghosted me. Been there done that too. Typically that's what the super hot ones do until they find something better. She knew by flaking I wasn't going to give her a dime. Why not walk with the cash anyways?
My membership on SA expired a few days ago but I did see her online last night. Today when I look at our messages on the site her pic is gray but her screenname is still there and it says "Unable to send a message as user is no longer active". Other girls in my message list have their pic grayed out but the screen name says "Sugar Baby" and below it says "The user's account has been deactivated". Anyone know what the difference is here? If she blocked me, then she was a good actor. If she has gone on hiatus perhaps the anxiety thing was real. I'm moving on anyways as tonight I have another SB cumming over for a 2nd date. She picked the location (my place).
TomDickNHarry
11-13-19, 12:17
What a disappointing ending. Finally found one that I clicked with after 5 dates on a different level than all the other girls and it appeared the sex was going to be epic as well only to crash and burn a foot from the finish line. My biggest disappointment is the amount I spent on the dates leading up but I still had fun and made out with a hot young coed and the law of averages probably caught up with me. At least I hadn't given her any cash yet. I made plans today with another SB I met last week. She's coming to my place for dinner and cuddling. The allowance will be a lot less, if any except she's not near as hot as my little Latina. Back to the random pump and dumps for awhile I guess. Beats being married.Not judging as it doesn't sound like you regret how you handled it too much and sort of seem to have gotten some enjoyment out of all that wining and dining you did, and everyone has different aspects of this hobby they like.
However I think you could have handled this very differently, I think both in getting her successfully to the FC, and saving yourself time and money. Sounds like you're out over 500 in meals, not to mention all the driving you did and time spent.
First, avoid dinner, especially expensive ones. Lunches, cocktails, coffee, etc accomplishes all the same stuff for an initial M&G in terms of seeing if you're interested and laying some game on them. I've had countless meetings where I knew immediately I didn't even want to go to the FC, the idea of being out almost an entire FC allowance each time that happens pains me. If you really like them and enjoy that stuff, do it AFTER you know you like them. The girls that insist on that for the M&G, are almost always going to be rinsers or the princess type (which I avoid like the plague when I do this).
Second, I know it seems like more dates and social meetings makes them more into it and comfortable, I think it's often the reverse. Move quickly in every way, to the M&G to the FC, everything. Time is your enemy in this game for a host of reasons but if you have a newbie on the line the last thing you want to do is give her time to overthink it. If you're 4 or 5 dates in and nothing's happened, it's not going to.
Lastly, you way overnegotiated the allowance. She wanted 200, if that was within your abilities to do, then say yes. It's hardly an unreasonable request, and allowances can always be renegotiated later. The first time they do it with you is the toughest decision for them, if she was enjoying it you could have gotten her down later very easily. Also, as was mentioned by someone earlier, 99% of them do not care about those extras. Most will appreciate the gestures when done for them but it's not what they value, not why they're doing this especially at the outset. I use that sometimes as part of my pitch, but not as an allowance negotiation tool. You ended up in this hard, business-like, adversarial negotiation with her that in the end would've saved you 25 a meet. You spent five times that on each of the dinners you paid for. And it doesn't make sense, but going from something with a 2 in front of it to a 1 can impact their feelings about it. Same reason retailers price ending in 99 cents.
Not meant to lecture, but maybe give some thoughts on what to do differently. Good luck.
Josephr9999
11-13-19, 12:25
You ended up in this hard, business-like, adversarial negotiation with her that in the end would've saved you 25 a meet. You spent five times that on each of the dinners you paid for. And it doesn't make sense, but going from something with a 2 in front of it to a 1 can impact their feelings about it. Same reason retailers price ending in 99 cents.
Not meant to lecture, but maybe give some thoughts on what to do differently. Good luck.She was at 2 and I was at one. I asked her to meed in the middle at 150. She said she really wanted 2 and the lowest she'd go is 175 so that's where it ended. Hindsight is 20/20 I should have agreed to the 200 then ghosted or whatever. Sometimes daddy has to demonstrate that baby has to give in a little after daddy has demonstrated his willingness to spend. The 25 wasn't about 25 - it was about gaining some power back in my corner and not giving her everything she wanted.
Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.
She was at 2 and I was at one. I asked her to meed in the middle at 150. She said she really wanted 2 and the lowest she'd go is 175 so that's where it ended. Hindsight is 20/20 I should have agreed to the 200 then ghosted or whatever. Sometimes daddy has to demonstrate that baby has to give in a little after daddy has demonstrated his willingness to spend. The 25 wasn't about 25 - it was about gaining some power back in my corner and not giving her everything she wanted..
JustLonely
11-13-19, 15:05
Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them..I disagree. Guys have the money and the power with all the women that are on Seeking to choose from. She may see the reverse from her point and just wait until the next guy without game to come by and pay her the full amount she wants. Move on to the next one that you see online.
Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.
.Maybe I'm spamming adding another two cents; the entire transaction is delicate because once she gets pissed off what good can happen later? Surely there is not going to be any GFE after she feels "disappointed" in her little mind.
They sometimes aren't doing this because they like you or even like sex; they like the money.
I don't know the solution; in my limited experience I wasn't asked a figure by the "babies" I found in S. Florida and $100 was fine with them evidently.
When I met a couple of girls on Back Page before I found the "babies" I knew the amount and didn't try to haggle it down.
Hooker girls sometimes have GPS and that's that; they're not really into sex with strange men and want a lot of $ to do it. The ones who actually seem to like it are not unreasonable.
The huge problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff; horny girls who like fucking with random men and will like it with you are out there but you don't always find them first.
Josephr9999
11-13-19, 17:02
Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.
.How about the SB not getting any money just to gain power that they don't have in the first place? SD has the money, the power to spend it and SD negotiates how he sees fit that is worth to him.
As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong. I truly think there's more than the money issue here. She loves fancy dinners, we discussed that and I told her we'd still do that but it wouldn't be 3 x in a week as this week was an anomaly in my schedule. She had a sure thing with a guy she had been out with 4 other times. We had open discussions about terms just hadn't discussed the financial part in detail until the other night. I think she was overwhelmed by the situation and just freaked. She wasn't initially intending to stay the night after we agreed on the amount, and when I told her it was a deal breaker for me she went back to my text and realized she misinterpreted it. I told her I was going upstairs and she was free to decide what she wanted to do. It put some pressure on her but it was time to either show or go. I wasn't interested in driving her home in the middle of the night 90 minutes round trip and I made that clear if we had an arrangement it would have to be a weekly overnight at my place. Two minutes later she went upstairs looking for me while ripping off her clothes, laughing, giggling etc.
While I can see I'm trying to rationalize behavior of an irrational 21 year old I think the money factor would have been only a small contributor to her flaking. Certainly pay anyone a large sum and the legs will spread quickly no questions asked. The one thing I've learned in this game is to be the holder of the power so you each get what you want. I hold the money and she holds the pussy. It must be win-win for both parties.
Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.
.There's nothing, and I mean nothing that dries a girl's puss more in this world than a desperate, pussy-begging guy with no options. Learn to make yourself the prize and never ever put a girl in charge of anything. She doesn't like the terms? Tough luck toots, there's the door. It's true if you're in a stable relationship or in the sugar bowl. The person that can't walk away has no power at all. BE THE PRIZE.
There is power on both sides as we have the money, they have the pussy, but for that small amount of $25 to me was not worth trying to gain power in this particular situation. She may have still flaked even if you gave her the $200 right off the bat, but again you had said you both got along great and in the end trying to prove power over $25 seems kind of mute. In most cases to these girls the prize is the money, not the Sugar Daddy, oh we can be charming, great in bed, be a mentor, blah, blah but we are not the prize, the money for the most part to most of these girls is the PRIZE! Doesn't mean you give them what they want as many are GPS and I walk away from those too, but when it gets down to $25 or even some cases $50, if you want it and that's what it takes, then get it, cause that in turn will turn them off as well in thinking they are not worth that little bit more.
How about the SB not getting any money just to gain power that they don't have in the first place? SD has the money, the power to spend it and SD negotiates how he sees fit that is worth to him.
As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong. I truly think there's more than the money issue here. She loves fancy dinners, we discussed that and I told her we'd still do that but it wouldn't be 3 x in a week as this week was an anomaly in my schedule. She had a sure thing with a guy she had been out with 4 other times. We had open discussions about terms just hadn't discussed the financial part in detail until the other night. I think she was overwhelmed by the situation and just freaked. She wasn't initially intending to stay the night after we agreed on the amount, and when I told her it was a deal breaker for me she went back to my text and realized she misinterpreted it. I told her I was going upstairs and she was free to decide what she wanted to do. It put some pressure on her but it was time to either show or go. I wasn't interested in driving her home in the middle of the night 90 minutes round trip and I made that clear if we had an arrangement it would have to be a weekly overnight at my place. Two minutes later she went upstairs looking for me while ripping off her clothes, laughing, giggling etc.
While I can see I'm trying to rationalize behavior of an irrational 21 year old I think the money factor would have been only a small contributor to her flaking. Certainly pay anyone a large sum and the legs will spread quickly no questions asked. The one thing I've learned in this game is to be the holder of the power so you each get what you want. I hold the money and she holds the pussy. It must be win-win for both parties.
Unassuming2018
11-13-19, 22:05
Just wrapped up a trip to Richmond. I met a girl off of SA on my visit. Her name is Phoebe. We met in my hotel bar. Had a light snack and a few drinks, good conversation. She looked gorgeous, to say the least. I've attached a few photos she sent me.
After some time getting to know each other, I politely asked if she would like to relax in my room. With a smile, she said she was wondering when I would ask. Upstairs we went.
We relaxed to something on tv. More small talk, then some making out, then clothes started coming off. As the photos show, she has an amazing body. I won't go into too many graphic details, but we pretty much ran the gamut of positions and ways to please each other. Once I was spent (felt like she could have kept going), we curled up for a bit, making more small talk. I had an early morning, think she realized it when I yawned. She thanked me for a wonderful evening and said we would have to do it again when I'm in town. I emphatically agreed. I discretely slipped her 4 bills. In hindsight, it was worth it. Normally I try to go a bit below that, 4 is my max. But for the time getting to know each other, and the close to two hours of fun, and cuddle time afterwards, I really didn't feel bad about the amount.
As I was writing this, she said that she had a bad encounter with a guy on the site, so she took down her profile for a bit. Might repost it after some time. If she does, I'll add the link. She's still open to meeting though. I told her I might know some cool guys. So if you are a senior member, reach out to me, she's a fun one.
Just wrapped up a trip to Richmond. I met a girl off of SA on my visit. Her name is Phoebe. We met in my hotel bar. Had a light snack and a few drinks, good conversation. She looked gorgeous, to say the least. I've attached a few photos she sent me.
After some time getting to know each other, I politely asked if she would like to relax in my room. With a smile, she said she was wondering when I would ask. Upstairs we went.
We relaxed to something on tv. More small talk, then some making out, then clothes started coming off. As the photos show, she has an amazing body. I won't go into too many graphic details, but we pretty much ran the gamut of positions and ways to please each other. Once I was spent (felt like she could have kept going), we curled up for a bit, making more small talk. I had an early morning, think she realized it when I yawned. She thanked me for a wonderful evening and said we would have to do it again when I'm in town. I emphatically agreed. I discretely slipped her 4 bills. In hindsight, it was worth it. Normally I try to go a bit below that, 4 is my max. But for the time getting to know each other, and the close to two hours of fun, and cuddle time afterwards, I really didn't feel bad about the amount.
As I was writing this, she said that she had a bad encounter with a guy on the site, so she took down her profile for a bit. Might repost it after some time. If she does, I'll add the link. She's still open to meeting though. I told her I might know some cool guys. So if you are a senior member, reach out to me, she's a fun one.I love that kind of female, sounds great.
I'm curious; did she have an occupation, or was she a student, or was she an UTR using SA to find guys?
Either way it sounds like a good time.
I have spend $250 on a long involved date with a civilian which was much less fun than yours.
HappyHunter44
11-14-19, 01:56
As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong.Yes, you are wrong. Just like any other girl, if an SB actually likes you, it becomes less about the money. Some even feel bad about the money after a few dates and want to give it to you free. I highly suspect you are choosing girls who are way more UTR escorts and free food types than true SBs.
We are clearly choosing different types of girls because my SBs have never complained about $ and never entered any negotiations like you seem to get into. In fact, it was I who brought up the $, not them. At this point, I am also sure I could meet them and get it free if I wanted, but I pay to keep the relationship dynamics clear.
Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f
TomDickNHarry
11-14-19, 12:32
Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6fI'd say your instincts are spot on. Pics and vids are always a scam. Even if it's not, why pay for something you don't want. Because guys almost always say "F off" to pic sellers, they got more sophisticated and came up with that BS about help me get comfortable by buying them, or tide me over until we can meet. Even if that person is within 200 miles of you (doubtful) you're never going to meet them. The illusion of a real arrangement is the carrot to get you in to those worthless pics. I used to go back and forth and say no but I'll meet you right now in person and help out with cash and try to convince them, but that never worked one single time, obviously b / c they weren't real or in the area. But since scams have become so prevalent on there, anytime a girl even mentions advances, pics, cash app, any of that stuff, I block them and move on. Saves a ton of time and focuses you on the legit POTs.
Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.
So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.
So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!
Best part of the story, she apparently has a boyfriend of some kind and now my SB tells me she wants to get rid of him and thinks this is a lot more fun and obviously more profitable. Must have figured out she was giving it out for free so why not make a buck?
I think this word of mouth interaction between SB's and their friends is feeding the sugar bowl with new faces who probably would never have thought of doing this or that they would enjoy the ride. Bad news for civilian daters. Much less free pussy moving forward as SD's are moving to the front of the line. Just more SB's for us to sort through on the site I guess and I think the pool of potential SB's can only continue to increase in size – has to be a good thing for us? And as I always reiterate. You need $$$ to play this game if you want real success and I don't mean crazy amounts of money $150 ppm is not typically a hot lady and this space.
By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.
Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.
By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.Good post.
I travel a lot on business, and am always looking at people in airports. It's more interesting than staring at the news on the tv monitors.
I always see potential or real SBs in the terminal. They are carrying real (or fake) designer bags, wearing sexy shoes and clothing, and acting like they are only a few weeks away from becoming famous. These women are desperate for attention and fame. And for the money required to obtain attention and fame. I chat them up when the opportunity presents. Often, those conversations convert into something more.
It doesn't take much money to get their attention. Just play the game. Let them know how special they are, and what you can do for them.
That's all they really care about. What you can do for them. Or what they think you can do. In return, they will gladly suck dick or fuck you.
Go into it with a game plan. Maybe have some fake business cards printed up, and a burner phone number ready to give them. If they think you head up the accounting department for Instagram, they will do just about anything to get with the people you know. Make it believable, and not something they can easily look up online. It's believable that an accountant doesn't have a social media presence. It's not believable that a talent scout for Victoria's Secret doesn't have one.
Told me same; says she got screwed by a guy who forgot his wallet at dinner and she had to pay, then another guy who strung her along for weeks and then canceled on meeting. Wanted $150 for pics / videos, then 200 when we meet.
Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f.
Unassuming2018
11-15-19, 09:08
I didn't get into too much details on work, but she said she works in customer service. I didn't get the pro vibe from her. It was very relaxed, no rush at all. I'm looking forward to the next time for sure.
I love that kind of female, sounds great.
I'm curious; did she have an occupation, or was she a student, or was she an UTR using SA to find guys?
Either way it sounds like a good time.
I have spend $250 on a long involved date with a civilian which was much less fun than yours.
BookerTNelson
11-15-19, 09:25
Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.
So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.
So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!
Best part of the story, she apparently has a boyfriend of some kind and now my SB tells me she wants to get rid of him and thinks this is a lot more fun and obviously more profitable. Must have figured out she was giving it out for free so why not make a buck?
I think this word of mouth interaction between SB's and their friends is feeding the sugar bowl with new faces who probably would never have thought of doing this or that they would enjoy the ride. Bad news for civilian daters. Much less free pussy moving forward as SD's are moving to the front of the line. Just more SB's for us to sort through on the site I guess and I think the pool of potential SB's can only continue to increase in size has to be a good thing for us? And as I always reiterate. You need $$$ to play this game if you want real success and I don't mean crazy amounts of money $150 ppm is not typically a hot lady and this space.
By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.Word of mouth definitely feeds the sugar bowl but I've found there are a couple caveats to it.
Are the women being honest about A.) The amount they are receiving and B.) Who are they receiving it from.
I talk to my "SB's" all the time and while they're typically younger, they're looking to me for honest feedback about a lot of things and I tend to get the same from them. They tell me all the time that they have friends on the site (They've even called me out for trying to see their friends but its whatever) that aren't having great experiences because they just can't convince themselves to fuck the older men that are approaching them and the ones they would consider end up being one and dones. So there is that part.
I don't see it as really hurting civilian daters much because there's just so many women that can't wrap their minds around the money in exchange for sex until their expenses stack up and it becomes a real option. Also 150/ ppm definitely gets you hot quality women without the baby baggage.
I browse mostly 19-29 age group and wait for a reaction. The ones who respond to that simple act are either actively working or searching. Move them to text or kik and you'll get the vibe right away. The searchers want validation and will often suggest the first meet. Nudge the conversation towards the FC gently and it will happen. These are the girls who will accept anything you offer because they need the validation, not the money. Just be careful of clingers. If you're single, roll with it. It will eventually cool off and then you go back to the bowl.
Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.
So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.
So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!
By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.Saw one college student barista at a coffee shop I started going to. After chatting with her a little, the next time I left a small envelope on the counter with her name on it. Inside was a $25 GC to the grocery store near campus and a note that said "I think you are gorgeous. Check out seeking.com and if you are interested text me at XXXXX".
Never heard from her, but figured it was worth a flier.
BookerTNelson
11-15-19, 12:28
Saw one college student barista at a coffee shop I started going to. After chatting with her a little, the next time I left a small envelope on the counter with her name on it. Inside was a $25 GC to the grocery store near campus and a note that said "I think you are gorgeous. Check out seeking.com and if you are interested text me at XXXXX".
Never heard from her, but figured it was worth a flier.Smart move. I'm consistently looking for SB's in public. It works less than a 10% rate but when they work, they're amazing. Baristas, waitresses, etc are all ones I normally attempt with. Most successful in person attempt was with a CVS clerk. I always picked up my SA gift card from her and since we normally had decent conversations at 9 am with no one around, I asked if she ever got curious why I come in for the GC's and she basically handed the P over that evening over drinks.
Keep your eyes open fellas.
Word of mouth definitely feeds the sugar bowl but I've found there are a couple caveats to it.
Are the women being honest about A.) The amount they are receiving and B.) Who are they receiving it from.
I talk to my "SB's" all the time and while they're typically younger, they're looking to me for honest feedback about a lot of things and I tend to get the same from them. They tell me all the time that they have friends on the site (They've even called me out for trying to see their friends but its whatever) that aren't having great experiences because they just can't convince themselves to fuck the older men that are approaching them and the ones they would consider end up being one and dones. So there is that part.
I don't see it as really hurting civilian daters much because there's just so many women that can't wrap their minds around the money in exchange for sex until their expenses stack up and it becomes a real option. Also 150/ ppm definitely gets you hot quality women without the baby baggage.This is a great topic.
First off, not-at-all. All girls lie about how much they've gotten in the past, what they did for it, and how many guys they've seen. It's one of those universal truths.
Your second part is the really interesting part. The interpersonal dynamics side of things. It's no different than any other dating scene and there's monumental amounts of delusion going on. On any dating site most girls are going after a small percentage of desirable guys. It's true for the girls that are 8 and 9 who have a chance at those higher level guys but it's also true for the 4, 5 and 6. The bottom rung girls all have experience with banging a guy way out of their league because DUH!, we're guys. Those girls never had a chance in hell to retain a quality guy but every single one of them likes to think they could of (why not, he had sex with me!). Desirable guys OR guys that pay a lot on SA (think 400-500) will have a wide selection to chose from and they won't be happy until they've sampled all the girls they can. Why? Because DUH!, we're guys.
Now from the girl's perspective, for the life of her, she can't understand why that hot guy OR the $400 guy ghosted her after the first bang (on SA money raises a guy's overall appeal). To do so she would have to admit that she's just an average girl. Of which there are hundreds more just like her on the site. She'd have to admit that she's just not that special and that's a tough pill to swallow. So, in the end it's the guy's fault (if you're new here, it's always the guy's fault) for using her and dumping her and men are assholes anyway (why isn't he calling me!).
Just understand what's going on and don't let it affect you in the least. Girls have the toughest time understanding that one and done is his way of telling you he's way above your league. One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.
Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.
Viva the bowl!
BookerTNelson
11-15-19, 13:42
This is a great topic.
First off, not-at-all. All girls lie about how much they've gotten in the past, what they did for it, and how many guys they've seen. It's one of those universal truths.
Your second part is the really interesting part. The interpersonal dynamics side of things. It's no different than any other dating scene and there's monumental amounts of delusion going on. On any dating site most girls are going after a small percentage of desirable guys. It's true for the girls that are 8 and 9 who have a chance at those higher level guys but it's also true for the 4, 5 and 6. The bottom rung girls all have experience with banging a guy way out of their league because DUH!, we're guys. Those girls never had a chance in hell to retain a quality guy but every single one of them likes to think they could of (why not, he had sex with me!). Desirable guys OR guys that pay a lot on SA (think 400-500) will have a wide selection to chose from and they won't be happy until they've sampled all the girls they can. Why? Because DUH!, we're guys.
Now from the girl's perspective, for the life of her, she can't understand why that hot guy OR the $400 guy ghosted her after the first bang (on SA money raises a guy's overall appeal). To do so she would have to admit that she's just an average girl. Of which there are hundreds more just like her on the site. She'd have to admit that she's just not that special and that's a tough pill to swallow. So, in the end it's the guy's fault (if you're new here, it's always the guy's fault) for using her and dumping her and men are assholes anyway (why isn't he calling me!).
Just understand what's going on and don't let it affect you in the least. Girls have the toughest time understanding that one and done is his way of telling you he's way above your league. One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.
Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.
Viva the bowl!This is a nice topic we've bumped into.
Those questions were mostly rhetorical and yes they all lie. Shit, I've banged friends that told each other they didn't know me and they tell each other crazy amounts lmao.
Also yes the higher the "allowance" the higher the chance that it'll be a pump and dump and for many reasons. The thing chicks don't realize is that for those amounts, they have to be phenomenal in bed or amazingly hot. And even then, I may just want a sample to see what it is like. Most consistent babies are in the 150 and under range. They hear from me frequently and we have a good time, they also get introduced to other things and get some of that "mentoring" that all of them mention in their profiles but never seek.
Happy hunting folks.
I'm from another area but this discussion is interesting. I have some limited sugar baby experience in S. Florida, but she was not online, I met her socially.
All girls sooner or later figure out that they can be paid for something they like to do; some take the plunge and many more don't.
The one I met was very pretty and 21 the first time I saw her naked; she didn't ask for any specific amount of money, I just gave her a Benjamin and she was very happy.
Some tidbits: she treated me at first as a boyfriend and introduced me to her hot sister among others. When she texted me that she was broke I would remind her if she saw me in person she would have the money she needed. It was clear that she was sometimes unwilling to actually fuck for money or give head for money even though she desperately wanted money. I believe she had a boyfriend but she would look for me when she was pissed off at him.
One time I met her friend with her and we went to Dunkin donuts; the friend was 36 and not as hot, a chubby girl. I ended up fucking her too but I gave her only a Grant because she wasn't hot and I didn't care if she stopped seeing me. She would come up on her day off during the week. So, it's clear "there's no trust among thieves. " I have not told baby #1 about screwing her chubby friend.
My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".
In S. Florida this is more acceptable and common; I think now in northern California I must exercise caution making any suggestion to a female.
I have had a card with just my name, phone and email for years which I keep ready for any lucky encounter.
My younger friend in S. Florida met a cute girl working at a fast food joint; a day later she was blowing him in his car in the parking lot on her break for $20. He later screwed her for $40 at her place; he doesn't like her personality so he says he's not going to repeat; I wonder.
I think Seeking Arrangement is making it easier for girls to sell pussy and be less afraid, so I'm going to try it as soon as my houseguest goes home.
Smart move. I'm consistently looking for SB's in public. It works less than a 10% rate but when they work, they're amazing. Baristas, waitresses, etc are all ones I normally attempt with. Most successful in person attempt was with a CVS clerk. I always picked up my SA gift card from her and since we normally had decent conversations at 9 am with no one around, I asked if she ever got curious why I come in for the GC's and she basically handed the P over that evening over drinks.
Keep your eyes open fellas.So when you asked her if she got curious about gift card what did you tell her and what had her willing to drop her pants that night?
FarFarAway
11-15-19, 18:25
I'm from another area but this discussion is interesting. I have some limited sugar baby experience in S. Florida, but she was not online, I met her socially.
My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".
In S. Florida this is more acceptable and common; I think now in northern California I must exercise caution making any suggestion to a female.
I have had a card with just my name, phone and email for years which I keep ready for any lucky encounter.
I think Seeking Arrangement is making it easier for girls to sell pussy and be less afraid, so I'm going to try it as soon as my houseguest goes home.I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.
I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).
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My younger friend in S. Florida met a cute girl working at a fast food joint; a day later she was blowing him in his car in the parking lot on her break for $20. He later screwed her for $40 at her place; he doesn't like her personality so he says he's not going to repeat; I wonder.
.That right there is your ticket buddy.
If you have the time and the game, go recruit locally. Girls working minimum wage at restaurants, retail stores, McD, DD, etc. You can have them for way cheaper than the SA girls and much less mileage. Without the hassle of spending countless hours working through the fakes, scams, and pros on SA. Girls on SA are already there to sell pussies, to the highest bidders.
If you can, go work on those McD, DD, and BK girls. 100 to them is a lot of cash, and being treated well by a nice older guy is a bonus.
TechSticles
11-15-19, 23:13
My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".
Snipped out the rest to highlight this. THIS is how I now see every girl, especially those in the mid to low tier service industries (although even the higher tiers are suspect to me). I travel quite a bit and it just seems like shooting fish in a barrel to get these girls to fuck. They've pretty much left behind the idea that there's a connection between being a hooker and getting a couple of bills to bang an older dude. I like this new reality.
Of course, this is why I fully funded my daughter's education and living expenses. Didn't want her needing money in this environment with you animals out there.
No offence meant to your daughter but I'm betting a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.
A2
I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.
I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).No matter how you do it, free-styling is an excellent way to find new talent.
Most every girl knows about sugaring, but many are afraid to take the leap and join Seeking. They all know about the site, and probably know or have heard of someone who did it.
If you can give them a gentle nudge, they will likely take the leap.
By propositioning them, you are also stroking their ego. That's the fastest way into a girl's pants.
Watch the movie Shopgirl. It's a great example of how to free-style a SB.
a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.
I encounter those girls on SA all the time.
Mom and dad aren't going to buy them the LV bag, but they need it and other stuff for their Instagram pics.
It's the same reason why so many 20-somethings bought tickets to the Fyre Festival.
If you can tap into that need in a SB, you're set. They will suck a mile of dick to look good on social media.
I often ask SBs where they would like to go to get the best food or seating / view pics for dinner. They almost always take me up on it, and spend more time taking pics than eating food. They love rooftop restaurants.
Usually fairly early on in messaging, I ask "How did you learn of this site?
If the answer is "A friend told me" or some variation, the immediate follow up is "so she has explained to you the dynamic and expectations of an arrangement?" which easily opens the door to allowance, activities, etc.
This is definitely NOT a Man's Perspective, but valuable to know what women are being told is considered "Average".
I never considered AVERAGE to be a disqualifier, but I do consider size 12 and up to be a disqualifier.
But if women usually shave a little off their age / size to be more appealing, AVERAGE is pretty much a no go at this point!
https://www.upworthy.com/size-14-is-no-longer-the-average-size-for-an-american-woman?fbclid=IwAR1LNYU3pQ0a1kadEFtNn0XvgxssZ6htkpv0RbEvXfMKeomYvzc-5GEypRo
TechSticles
11-16-19, 13:48
Snipped out the rest to highlight this. THIS is how I now see every girl, especially those in the mid to low tier service industries (although even the higher tiers are suspect to me). I travel quite a bit and it just seems like shooting fish in a barrel to get these girls to fuck. They've pretty much left behind the idea that there's a connection between being a hooker and getting a couple of bills to bang an older dude. I like this new reality.
Of course, this is why I fully funded my daughter's education and living expenses. Didn't want her needing money in this environment with you animals out there.
No offence meant to your daughter but I'm betting a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.
A2No offense taken. I have accepted this possibility, but at the end of the day, you do what you can do and hope for the best. God knows I've grabbed a chick or two that was getting a fully funded ride by their biological daddy.
TechSticles
11-16-19, 13:53
Watch the movie Shopgirl. It's a great example of how to free-style a SB.Makes you wonder about Steve Martin a little. He wrote the novella and the screenplay for the movie.
TomDickNHarry
11-16-19, 14:51
One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.
Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.
Viva the bowl!I explain this to many newbies I meet, both those I'm interested in and especially those that I'm not b / c they are about to learn the hard way LOL. It is part negotiating tactic for me with the ones I like, but it's also the truth. I've had some that understand it.
Makes you wonder about Steve Martin a little. He wrote the novella and the screenplay for the movie.My guess is that Martin was projecting his sugar relationships onto the big screen. He must have been a SD for years before he wrote that script.
My guess is that Martin was projecting his sugar relationships onto the big screen. He must have been a SD for years before he wrote that script.I'm pretty sure, nope convinced, that Steve Martin doesn't need any sugar to entice a pretty college girl to come to his house and watch him play banjo. He's a true celebrity and his social proof is through the roof so just no. He can just be himself and rake in the puss.
I'm pretty sure, nope convinced, that Steve Martin doesn't need any sugar to entice a pretty college girl to come to his house and watch him play banjo. He's a true celebrity and his social proof is through the roof so just no. He can just be himself and rake in the puss.Plenty of celebrities pay for pussy.
Remember Hugh Grant? Eddie Murphy? Charlie Sheen?
You wouldn't think they would need to pay for sex, yet they all did.
I think that, just like any john / escort relationship, the attraction to sugaring is that a john pays the SB to leave after the act.
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f
Within the first few DMs she says that she's been scammed before and needs a partial allowance before meeting.
I offered to even pay more for the 1st meet only, didn't budge
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f
Within the first few DMs she says that she's been scammed before and needs a partial allowance before meeting..
This is definitely NOT a Man's Perspective, but valuable to know what women are being told is considered "Average".
I never considered AVERAGE to be a disqualifier, but I do consider size 12 and up to be a disqualifier.
But if women usually shave a little off their age / size to be more appealing, AVERAGE is pretty much a no go at this point!
https://www.upworthy.com/size-14-is-no-longer-the-average-size-for-an-american-woman?fbclid=IwAR1LNYU3pQ0a1kadEFtNn0XvgxssZ6htkpv0RbEvXfMKeomYvzc-5GEypRo"The study sampled the waist sizes of more than 5,500 women and found that over the past 21 years, the average woman gained 2. 6 inches around the waist, from 34.9 inches to 37.5 inches. " I'm going to bet this is average for the female population in general, and not average for the SA female population. I've met some girls with really hot bodies that listed themselves as "average" body type. I think they thought that they weren't completely anorexic so didn't want to click "slim," and "curvy" sounded to them like a euphemism for "fat," which it is. Maybe they just didn't have lot of self confidence. Who knows.
But I would never put my dick in any creature with a 37.5 inch waist! I wouldn't fuck them with your dick!
I had the same experience.
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f
Within the first few DMs she says that she's been scammed before and needs a partial allowance before meeting.
I offered to even pay more for the 1st meet only, didn't budge
.Hey all! I've seen a few post about this recently. I was on SA for a couple years and got out a few years ago bc of a great SB relationship that recently ended so I have recently rejoined.
First. WOW! There are a LOT more girls there than there were before! In just over a week I have seen 1 - straight to the FC after the M&G, I am texting on my phone with 10 and have M&Gs set up with 3 this week and am actively messaging at least a dozen others. All of them within 10 miles of RVA, 28 or younger, less than 5'6" (I'm only 5'2") and Slim, Athletic or Average.
When I 1st got on I paid for 3 M&Gs and the M&G was the last time I heard from any of them. I have now had 3 ask for $100 or $150 for the M&G and I have told them all that I don't do that, that I see the M&G as a job interview and if they got an invite to an interview for a traditional job and they responded that they needed a paycheck first, they wouldn't get any interviews.
2 just said thanks and 1 offered to drop it to $50. Still not doing that.
Guys need to STOP doing this! As long as guys will pay for M&Gs, girls will keep asking.
My 2 cents.
Thanks and be safe!
First. WOW! There are a LOT more girls there than there were before! In just over a week I have seen 1 - straight to the FC after the M&G, I am texting on my phone with 10 and have M&Gs set up with 3 this week and am actively messaging at least a dozen others. All of them within 10 miles of RVA, 28 or younger, less than 5'6" (I'm only 5'2") and Slim, Athletic or Average.
When I 1st got on I paid for 3 M&Gs and the M&G was the last time I heard from any of them. I have now had 3 ask for $100 or $150 for the M&G and I have told them all that I don't do that, that I see the M&G as a job interview and if they got an invite to an interview for a traditional job and they responded that they needed a paycheck first, they wouldn't get any interviews.
2 just said thanks and 1 offered to drop it to $50. Still not doing that.
Guys need to STOP doing this! As long as guys will pay for M&Gs, girls will keep asking.
This has been around for ever. If paying for M&G is a thing than you'll get professional M&G'ers and you'll still end up empty-ended. Why would a girl go through an arrangement is all they have to do is line up M&G one after the other?
One thing I've noticed about SA now is that there's more rinsers than ever. A few years back it was a couple of girls trying to scam guys and now it's rampant. So yeah, there's more girls now but you'll find as you go through the vetting process that very, very few are worthwhile or left at the end. The gems are still there but now buried under a mountain of shit.
A girl I knew in S. Florida would go on to Seeking Arrangement to meet guys and hope for either freebies or a relationship; she was actually using SA as a dating service.
She got a guy to pay her $900 to drive an hour and a half to Miami to meet and greet and eat dinner; he didn't like her looks and paid her and nothing else happened.
This type of thing may have happened often enough that females think they can accomplish the same thing.
My view is I would pay for her 1. Gasoline 2. Parking fee if she mentioned needing money for a meet and greet.
That would be about $10 damage in my view.
My limited experience with babies in S. Florida is if they think you have the ability to pay them, they will accept your terms; they see it as a long term effort. If they 1. Don't like you 2. Don't think you will part with cash for them then they're more likely to be a tough negotiator.
I just got a call from a very pretty one and the discussion of her looks came up; I mentioned she is changing even over the last several years because my first pictures of her were when she was 21, now she's 25. She seemed concerned. "Don't worry, you look fine; I would tell you if you were ugly or something. ".
Note; she's very pretty but she STILL has self-doubt and I don't really help which is my intention.
At night all cats are black gentlemen. Let them know it.
Was not to pay for meet and greet, it was for FC, not meet and greet, I never do that
Hey all! I've seen a few post about this recently. I was on SA for a couple years and got out a few years ago bc of a great SB relationship that recently ended so I have recently rejoined.
First. WOW! There are a LOT more girls there than there were before! In just over a week I have seen 1 - straight to the FC after the M&G, I am texting on my phone with 10 and have M&Gs set up with 3 this week and am actively messaging at least a dozen others. All of them within 10 miles of RVA, 28 or younger, less than 5'6" (I'm only 5'2") and Slim, Athletic or Average.
When I 1st got on I paid for 3 M&Gs and the M&G was the last time I heard from any of them. I have now had 3 ask for $100 or $150 for the M&G and I have told them all that I don't do that, that I see the M&G as a job interview and if they got an invite to an interview for a traditional job and they responded that they needed a paycheck first, they wouldn't get any interviews.
2 just said thanks and 1 offered to drop it to $50. Still not doing that.
Guys need to STOP doing this! As long as guys will pay for M&Gs, girls will keep asking.
My 2 cents.
Thanks and be safe!.
I'm from NC but a long-time lurker on Richmond forum. You guys are awesome and true educator. I ran into an unusual situation. At my annual checkup, my doctor walked in with a hottie and introduced her as NP. We looked at each other and immediately recognized seeing her on sa. During my visit, she seemed little restless and nervous. I thought she recognized me too. I checked sa and found that a few days ago she had seen my profile. This is a first such incident. I'm in a confused state on how to deal with this. Need your advice.
My view is I would pay for her 1. Gasoline 2. Parking fee if she mentioned needing money for a meet and greet.
That would be about $10 damage in my view.I think this is an important thing to note. We know that one of the big reasons girls come to SA is bc the guys that they civvy date are broke, (as well as unreliable, won't/can't
eat pussy, and are self-consumed by tardo shit like video games and binge drinking).
Be the antidote. Frugality can be a desirable trait, but being a cheapskate certainly diminishes ones chances of success. Paying for an incidental cost of a MnG is the gentlemanly thing to do, but sending money in any amount before meeting is a rookie mistake.
All of these girls have been indoctrinated on 'lady in the streets, freak in the sheets'. Act accordingly
TomDickNHarry
11-19-19, 10:30
I think this is an important thing to note. We know that one of the big reasons girls come to SA is bc the guys that they civvy date are broke, (as well as unreliable, won't/can't
eat pussy, and are self-consumed by tardo shit like video games and binge drinking).
Be the antidote. Frugality can be a desirable trait, but being a cheapskate certainly diminishes ones chances of success. Paying for an incidental cost of a MnG is the gentlemanly thing to do, but sending money in any amount before meeting is a rookie mistake.
All of these girls have been indoctrinated on 'lady in the streets, freak in the sheets'. Act accordinglyIf you give it at the M&G, unrequested, this is true. It will be appreciated, and sends the right signals. If they ask for it though, it's a red flag, unless they came from a distance. And if they ask for it to be sent electronically before, then it's 100% a scam.
I'm from NC but a long-time lurker on Richmond forum. You guys are awesome and true educator. I ran into an unusual situation. At my annual checkup, my doctor walked in with a hottie and introduced her as NP. We looked at each other and immediately recognized seeing her on sa. During my visit, she seemed little restless and nervous. I thought she recognized me too. I checked sa and found that a few days ago she had seen my profile. This is a first such incident. I'm in a confused state on how to deal with this. Need your advice.Are you married?
Let her mention recognizing you.
With anonymity blown for both of you, best to take advantage of this coincidental meeting. And tell her as much. Removes the pressure of trying to keep things secret, so you can both relax and be open.
Hello, experts of the SB world. I took the plunge a few weeks ago with only one moderately successful encounter. The information posted in this thread has been tremendously helpful (thank you). That said, I run into a bit of a perplexing situation (for me) with my next potential SB.
I started talking to a girl about a week ago, messaging first on SA and gradually moving to text. She's very cute and seemed genuinely interested in meeting, however, due to her schedule (she attends a university) and the upcoming holidays, the first week of December is the earliest she can meet, which is fine.
We tentatively set a date and have been chatting sporadically throughout the week. The subject of allowance was brought up only once to which I told her I don't talk money until we meet. She hasn't brought it up again since.
Yesterday, she sent me a text and asked if I would be up for coming up the night before the date we had set and staying the night (in a room). She told me she was flying back to the area that day and her flight would be coming in late, and staying in her dorm was not ideal. This caught me off guard a little bit and I told her I would check my schedule.
As there has been no M&G prior to this and communication has only been online and via text (she has seen my photo), is this request something I should be wary of? Would it be wiser to keep to the original, planned "date for the day"?
I've been trying to catch up on some of the pitfalls of hotels. I currently have no So, so that makes things a little easier.
I'm from NC but a long-time lurker on Richmond forum. You guys are awesome and true educator. I ran into an unusual situation. At my annual checkup, my doctor walked in with a hottie and introduced her as NP. We looked at each other and immediately recognized seeing her on sa. During my visit, she seemed little restless and nervous. I thought she recognized me too. I checked sa and found that a few days ago she had seen my profile. This is a first such incident. I'm in a confused state on how to deal with this. Need your advice.If she is hot, see is she wants to meet.
She has more to lose than you do; she's afraid to be outed as a hooker which would maybe affect her career.
On your side, she may have access to your records so your identity and age are known to her.
If you are married, her knowing your full name may be unwanted.
Hello, experts of the SB world. I took the plunge a few weeks ago with only one moderately successful encounter. The information posted in this thread has been tremendously helpful (thank you). That said, I run into a bit of a perplexing situation (for me) with my next potential SB.
I started talking to a girl about a week ago, messaging first on SA and gradually moving to text. She's very cute and seemed genuinely interested in meeting, however, due to her schedule (she attends a university) and the upcoming holidays, the first week of December is the earliest she can meet, which is fine.
We tentatively set a date and have been chatting sporadically throughout the week. The subject of allowance was brought up only once to which I told her I don't talk money until we meet. She hasn't brought it up again since.
Yesterday, she sent me a text and asked if I would be up for coming up the night before the date we had set and staying the night (in a room). She told me she was flying back to the area that day and her flight would be coming in late, and staying in her dorm was not ideal. This caught me off guard a little bit and I told her I would check my schedule.
As there has been no M&G prior to this and communication has only been online and via text (she has seen my photo), is this request something I should be wary of? Would it be wiser to keep to the original, planned "date for the day"?
I've been trying to catch up on some of the pitfalls of hotels. I currently have no So, so that makes things a little easier.Others may disagree with this, but I never go straight to FC on first meets. A 10 minute chat in a coffee shop is all that I need to know whether or not I'm going to see her naked in the next 15 minutes. If you have her come. Right to the room then it's too easy to possibly find yourself in trouble with JQL or a rinser and at best you are going to waste time and money on a hotel room that you end up jerking off in. Or worse you call any fat pig to come over. Granted that happened to me twice and both times the fat pigs were pretty fucking fun, but I'd much rather have banged on the girl who ended up ghosting.
Scammers typically only work the SA profile for a week or less, so if come December and she is still active and chatting with you then I'd suggest you meet in public, have dinner etc. If green lights go then and only when go get a room, and fuck yes for overnight. I find rolling over for a morning nut after fucking all night to be deeply satisfying.
I started talking to a girl about a week ago, messaging first on SA and gradually moving to text. She's very cute and seemed genuinely interested in meeting, however, due to her schedule (she attends a university) and the upcoming holidays, the first week of December is the earliest she can meet, which is fine.
As there has been no M&G prior to this and communication has only been online and via text (she has seen my photo), is this request something I should be wary of? Would it be wiser to keep to the original, planned "date for the day"?
It could very well be a scam but go in with an open mind and see what happens. Just use incremental steps. Met her for a coffee first (fuck dinner, that's for closers). If that goes well have the hotel lined up but not paid for. If she's still up for it and there's no red flags then tell her you're heading for x hotel and just go for it. Be prepared to bail at any point if your spidey sense is tingling. I don't care how long you've been chatting, very few college girls will offer to spend the night with a grown man they've never met. Don't be surprised one bit if just before you're set to meet you start hearing about sob stories requiring money on your part -e.g. car accident, phone or laptop stolen, diagnosed with ebola, etc...
So I downloaded the app today, and it has a 7 day trial for $24.99, however you can only pay with Google Pay (which I have a credit card set up).
Is it safe to pay with Google pay for SA with a real credit card, instead of one of those prepaid credit card? Is this a one time charge or a recurring thing, where after the 7 day, it will charge you the monthly fee atomatically?
BlueEyedMan58
11-19-19, 23:52
Chatting online with a new SA girl today -- sent her my standard intro greeting. First red flag is she replies in less than 30 seconds with 3 well composed paragraphs. Her "story" is she's in a loveless sexless marriage that she can't leave; hubby doesn't know about SA, so she has to use a super discreet old fashioned pay for minutes burner phone; also she doesn't have a car, can't be picked up at her house and so has to Uber to any dates. But since she's here just for the sex, passion and affection she's missing in her marriage, she doesn't want an allowance. Just money for her phone and for her Uber. Right. Next.
So I downloaded the app today, and it has a 7 day trial for $24.99, however you can only pay with Google Pay (which I have a credit card set up).
Is it safe to pay with Google pay for SA with a real credit card, instead of one of those prepaid credit card? Is this a one time charge or a recurring thing, where after the 7 day, it will charge you the monthly fee atomatically?If you sign in using Google, your I'd will be connected to the APP.
When, not if, the APP is compromised, your I'd will be forever associated with Seeking.
If you are ok with that, go for it.
If not, don't chase deals and instead take the route suggested in previous messages.
BlueEyedMan58
11-19-19, 23:57
Hello, experts of the SB world. I took the plunge a few weeks ago with only one moderately successful encounter. The information posted in this thread has been tremendously helpful (thank you). That said, I run into a bit of a perplexing situation (for me) with my next potential SB.
I started talking to a girl about a week ago, messaging first on SA and gradually moving to text. She's very cute and seemed genuinely interested in meeting, however, due to her schedule (she attends a university) and the upcoming holidays, the first week of December is the earliest she can meet, which is fine.
We tentatively set a date and have been chatting sporadically throughout the week. The subject of allowance was brought up only once to which I told her I don't talk money until we meet. She hasn't brought it up again since.
Yesterday, she sent me a text and asked if I would be up for coming up the night before the date we had set and staying the night (in a room). She told me she was flying back to the area that day and her flight would be coming in late, and staying in her dorm was not ideal. This caught me off guard a little bit and I told her I would check my schedule.
As there has been no M&G prior to this and communication has only been online and via text (she has seen my photo), is this request something I should be wary of? Would it be wiser to keep to the original, planned "date for the day"?
I've been trying to catch up on some of the pitfalls of hotels. I currently have no So, so that makes things a little easier.I would never have someone I had never met come to a hotel room. Nor for that matter would I ever go right to the home or apartment of someone I had not met first in a public place. Too many really awful surprises could await -- and that she's less attractive than her photos is far from the worst of the possibilities.
https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/mobile/userProfile?userId=66219076&userName=prettybaby2211
Chatted with her a while. Very nice girl, but then she quoted me 1 K an hour (plus the hotel). I had to be polite, but blunt, and say that I'd never pay that when I can (and do) get just as hot for a tenth of that. She countered with 800, to which I added, "good luck to you". I just can't believe some of these girls. LOL. That's some serious GPS. She's from the Tyson's Corner area, but I'm posting about it here because she might pop up in your searches, as it's relatively close.
Madaboutmax
11-20-19, 02:03
So I downloaded the app today, and it has a 7 day trial for $24.99, however you can only pay with Google Pay (which I have a credit card set up).
Is it safe to pay with Google pay for SA with a real credit card, instead of one of those prepaid credit card? Is this a one time charge or a recurring thing, where after the 7 day, it will charge you the monthly fee atomatically?I use TextNow. It's free and I can use it on the app on my phone or on the website on my laptop.
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