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HollywoodGuy
04-02-13, 01:45
So I am set to meet a really cute POT. And she says she has had some bad dates but no arrangements so far. She looks to be a true amature as far as I can tell.
So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?
I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.
Ideas guys,
RevvoThis girl is a waste of time. And time is money
HollywoodGuy
04-02-13, 01:58
I am paranoid about leaving my semen in a girl's pussy for multiple reasons so I will stick with cover as annoying and desensitizing as it may be. Emotionally, I am one of those shits who is enamored of a girl until I have fucked her, at which point I lose interest.Just cum in her mouth
HollywoodGuy
04-02-13, 02:01
I have a Pot I "met" on AM who likes bondage and spanking. I am very excited that she seems very hot in the body a 9, but face and personality is yet to be revealed. She in in her 30's. Does anyone have any suggestions about research to prepare for my upcoming role? I have never had any luck on that site so it remains to be seen whether this works out. It is new territory for me and could be very exciting.
My AA princess flaked out again. We got to the actual pickup point at a local college campus and she called and said she couldn't do it. She's scared to make the move even though she likes the idea of scoring a SD. I was nice and understanding so maybe she will come back. I told her to have a couple of shots before I come and she will be fine. She texted back asking again how much I would give her. I low balled her since I am oversubscribed anyway at this point. I am taking a page out of Hollywood's and Tigg's playbook. I have relegated her to a 30% chance of working out, and that's being optimistic.If her body is a 9, go for it. Just stick to some spanking combined with some rough fingering or toys or dp with a toy or finger while she's in doggie pose for the first date.
HollywoodGuy
04-02-13, 02:03
BB Weakness
I did engage in pretty risky behavior. I have noticed that 18-19 year-olds often default to BB sex. In the past year, I've had raw sex with 4 SBs. With all 4, they were between 18-19. Now with this girl Innocence SB, she wasn't trying to get a long-term support check out of me because she told me to pull out. The big thing was that I was putting myself at risk of STDs. But I'm one of those guys who just perform poorly with condoms. Not sure if it's an allergy or just reduced sensation, but my sex romp with Innocence wouldn't have gone nearly half as well if I had to wear a rubber.
I do agree it's the biggest weakpoint in my deep cover. It's very difficult to explain a STD if you pass it on to your SO. But I'm going to keep playing with the BB fire for now because it's something I enjoy too much and one of the reasons I go through the trouble of seeing SBs.I have the same problem. This is why I don't do SW's or BP, etc. Only non pros (most of the time)
HollywoodGuy
04-02-13, 02:08
Before the recent detour there was a useful discussion of BB and snippage going on. I've never been inclined to do it, probably irrational. Ditto prostate surgery.Best move I ever made. Don't want anymore kids and my regulars don't have to take any BC or use any other BC devices that may or may not be foolproof
I have a Pot I "met" on AM who likes bondage and spanking. I am very excited that she seems very hot in the body a 9, but face and personality is yet to be revealed. She in in her 30's. Does anyone have any suggestions about research to prepare for my upcoming role? I have never had any luck on that site so it remains to be seen whether this works out. It is new territory for me and could be very exciting.Mr. FredMoore,
It appears that you have wandered into my area of interest and expertise. For I am the Sub Commander.
For a first date in the FC I would not go overboard. Have a casual discussion and get a feel for her exact interests and experience level in bondage and spanking arenas. If your plan is just to hit it once there is no need for a big production on the first time in.
For the spanking part you may either, have it be a separate event as part of foreplay or just incorporate it into your normal pounding. In doggy style simply grab that hair and slap that ass while going deep enough to bump her cervix. Hit that thing hard and leave it with a black eye. She is going to love to be fucked hard and create that warm tingling feeling on her ass with your slaps. Remember to slightly cup your hand when you slap to create that solid snap sound that creates the sound effect. It will enhance the experience and give input into another one of her senses.
For the bondage part choose sexual positions where you can hold her down and control her movements. In doggy style take her hands and hold them behind her back. Bury her face in the pillow. Face down ass up. In missionary, grab her arms and pin her down. In all positions changes do not let go of her. Always make sure you have a firm grip on some part of her body and direct her into the position you want. This is no time to be a panty boy and display love and kindness. This is real man stuff! Use your man presence to display controlled aggression, direction, and desire. Command and control stuff which is the natural state of male female relationships.
If you are new to this, over time you will develop your own style. Don't be afraid to check in with her. She wants to be controlled not hurt. Make sure what you are doing is having the desired effect by asking her. If she is one of those types that likes to fight, give her a safe word that she can use if something gets too intense for her. It makes you look like you know what you are doing and shows that you will be a loving dominant.
U 1 very lucky mother fucker! Have fun my man!
Don't be afraid to check in with her. She wants to be controlled not hurt. Make sure what you are doing is having the desired effect by asking her. If she is one of those types that likes to fight, give her a safe word that she can use if something gets too intense for her. It makes you look like you know what you are doing and shows that you will be a loving dominant.This is good stuff.
For those who are truly allergic to latex condoms there are 2 alternative types of condoms, although both are slightly more expensive than latex types. One is the NON-latex condoms manufactured from the sandwich-baggy-type plastic, which is urethane or ureathane I believe. An added bonus of the synthetic-plastic condom is that it is safe to use with petroleum-based lubes like baby-oil, mineral-oil, most body-lotions like Vaseline and generic body-lotion products, and petroleum-jelly. Petroleum-based products will rapidly weaken latex-condoms to the point that they'll break, leak, or tear. In addition the synthetic-plastic-type condoms are supposed to be both stronger and more resistant to breaking, leaking, or tearing than latex and yet, because they're thinner yet stronger, they're claimed to transmit body-heat plus skin-sensations better than latex-condoms.
Tother is even more expensive. That type manufactured from all-natural food-animal-butchering by-products, such as the brand called 'Lambskin's' I think, which are, if memory serves, made from sterilised sections of meat-animal intestines. But both will work to avoid latex-allergy-reactions.
Ah, the old latex allergy. It's amazing how many strippers, babies, and just loose women in general are allergic to latex. I actually am allergic to latex, but I'll take an itchy rash that lasts a few hours over a lifetime of grief.
John G Smith
04-02-13, 07:21
So she says she now exchanges I'd's before proceeding and having three dates in public places first. I have no problem with the three dates. But what the hell am I going to do about the three dates. Anyone know where to get a fake I'd? Any ideas on what to say?
I may be able to talk her out of it by going slow and telling her my horror story about my stalker.
Ideas guys,
RevvoLike the others have said, if she insists on exchanging ids from the start, then just move on. Not worth the trouble or the risk.
That said, I do want to mention something about protecting your identity. Sometimes a good defense is a great offense. Especially in long-term SB arrangements, I always act with the assumption that the girl will find snippets of my real identity within two months. It might be because I got sloppy somewhere or she was more resourceful than I anticipated. Either way, I give myself 3-4 weeks to amass as much WMDs as possible on the SB. Not just her real identity, but where she works, where she goes to school, her parents, a couple of her friends, and etc. This way if she ever even entertains the idea of blackmail or stirring up trouble, I can threaten her with an overwhelming counter-attack that it will assure mutual destruction.
So far I haven't had to go to my WMD stockpile with any of my long-term SBs or even threaten it. But I still think it's absolutely necessary. Being in deep cover will only take you so far. I think deep cover is good for the first 6-8 weeks. It helps you avoid the fly-by-night psychos. But it's very likely portions of your deep cover will be penetrated by a long-term SB and you may not even be aware of it. That's why I just assume elements of my cover will be blown in a couple of months and I have a red button contingency plan in place. I recommend everyone who has a mid / long-term SB do the same. Be able to scramble your fighters and aim your nuke missile sites at her within a moment's notice.
EuroInCincy
04-02-13, 07:34
I have a Pot I "met" on AM who likes bondage and spanking. I am very excited that she seems very hot in the body a 9, but face and personality is yet to be revealed. She in in her 30's. Does anyone have any suggestions about research to prepare for my upcoming role? I have never had any luck on that site so it remains to be seen whether this works out. It is new territory for me and could be very exciting.Silly guy, 98 % of the females enjoy a spanking and bondage. Watch their eyes or the gentle 'yes' nod when you drop casually a comment like "nice spankable ass"
Now for research. See'mon we have this thing called google. Many articles how-to's. Just start slow.
Once you have done some work and want to go deeper. And get her to climax on command without touching (always fun in a bar or restaurant) read up on Pavlov.
Never give up Never surrender
Don't get involved with fake I. D. It's illegal.I'm not a lawyer but I do have a baccalaureate in Criminal Justice, and Legal Studies, and I believe that as long as you don't use a false identification-document for any legal official or public transaction, for example identifying yourself with it when asked for your identification by a cop or to buy a gun or open a bank-account, you would not be putting yourself in jeopardy of arrest or prosecution simply for using it to conceal your true identity from this girl under these circumstances. By the way I'm not a cop or any type of Law Enforcement Agent or Law Enforcement Officer either, I work in industrial safety and security for a chemical-manufacturing industry.
Naturally if you want to consider this option, and I don't have any suggestions about how or where to get a good fake one, you should retain the services, so that his consultation is covered by lawyer-confidentiality laws, of a criminal-defense lawyer to advise you and / or verify that my belief is correct. Preferably one who specialises in organised-crime or prostitution defense-cases or, most preferably, both organised-crime AND prostitution cases.
Just to clarify on the POT that wants to EXCHANGE ID's not me give her mine. She wants to exchange because she has had a couple of incidents where she has been forced to do things she did not want to. I tend to believe her on this because of her attitude and demeanor, as well as there are some really bad people on these sites.
I do not intend to give her my ID. That is why I asked. I was looking for ideas on how to have my sugar baby and eat her too. Without having to show my ID. Pardon the horribly mixed metaphor. I know fake ID's are illegal. But I thought if I am showing just her it would not be a problem. Anyone know where I can get one? I still intend to meet her at least once. She if very hot and is a model. I have seen her portfolio on Model Mayhem because she has her full name on her email I'd. Another sign that she is not a scammer. The first M&G is tonight. And she does not appear to be a scammer. No bullshitting, no talk of money.
However this leads to my second topic. She is into BDSM. She told me she is a subby and her last DOM was with her for 13 months. But he collard another girl. (whatever that means). She seems quite niaeve and forthright so far. But I am being very careful believe me. I am one on here who has been burned very badly.
So my last question goes back to Subcommanders excellent post on dominance and spanking. With this POT and another MILF Redhead POT with big beautiful titties. I have two POTS that are into Dominance. So I wanted to dig a little deeper into the whole submission thing. First I believe that fundamentally most women prefer to be submissive when getting fucked. It is just a question of how honest they are with it. So when spanking a submissive what is a good position to put them in? Other than doggy style.
Should you make them just bend over a table and pull their pants down? Is it a good warmup before sex? How about outside of sex. How about giving them instructions on things to do? Such as tell them to wear a certain pair of panties, or bring something to your date? Have you ever spanked the pussy? Is this good? If so any tips?
Finally about asking questions to your girl. I always was of the belief not to ask things during sex that that is a big no no and degrades your dominance and deflates her arrousal. Is this the case do you discuss before hand? Or am I wrong?
Be careful out there,
Revvo
Tother is even more expensive. That type manufactured from all-natural food-animal-butchering by-products, such as the brand called 'Lambskin's' I think, which are, if memory serves, made from sterilised sections of meat-animal intestines.Informative, thanks.
Casanova (1725-98) used a piece of sheep gut tied off with a pink ribbon and called it a French Letter. What goes around comes around.
Either way, I give myself 3-4 weeks to amass as much WMDs as possible on the SB. Not just her real identity, but where she works, where she goes to school, her parents, a couple of her friends, and etc. This way if she ever even entertains the idea of blackmail or stirring up trouble, I can threaten her with an overwhelming counter-attack that it will assure mutual destruction.I've thought of that but it's the word "mutual" that scares the crap out of me. Your analysis is right on though.
*** 98 % of the females enjoy a spanking and bondage. Watch their eyes or the gentle 'yes' nod when you drop casually a comment like "nice spankable ass"The whole sexual attraction thing is buried deep in us and beyond mysterious. Why get so worked up over a wad of sloppy meat that looks like an Arby's roast beef held sideways? But we do. Watch two cats fucking. The Tom bites the female on her neck to hold her still. Cat teeth, ouch! But she loves it and just purrs.
***I believe that as long as you don't use a false identification-document for any legal official or public transaction *** you would not be putting yourself in jeopardy of arrest or prosecutionMaybe you're right. It could still be illegal to make, sell or buy them though, correct? I won't risk it and agree you should purchase expert advice if you do.
Member #5570
04-02-13, 11:47
Silly guy. 98 % of the females enjoy a spanking and bondage. Watch their eyes or the gentle 'yes' nod when you drop casually a comment like "nice spankable ass"
Now for research. See'mon we have this thing called google. Many articles how-to's. Just start slow.
Once you have done some work and want to go deeper. And get her to climax on command without touching (always fun in a bar or restaurant) read up on Pavlov.
Never give up Never surrenderThat would be a very interesting read. Get girls to climax with out every laying a finger (or dick) on their body.
Like the others have said, if she insists on exchanging ids from the start, then just move on. Not worth the trouble or the risk.
That said, I do want to mention something about protecting your identity. Sometimes a good defense is a great offense. Especially in long-term SB arrangements, I always act with the assumption that the girl will find snippets of my real identity within two months. It might be because I got sloppy somewhere or she was more resourceful than I anticipated. Either way, I give myself 3-4 weeks to amass as much WMDs as possible on the SB. Not just her real identity, but where she works, where she goes to school, her parents, a couple of her friends, and etc. This way if she ever even entertains the idea of blackmail or stirring up trouble, I can threaten her with an overwhelming counter-attack that it will assure mutual destruction.
So far I haven't had to go to my WMD stockpile with any of my long-term SBs or even threaten it. But I still think it's absolutely necessary. Being in deep cover will only take you so far. I think deep cover is good for the first 6-8 weeks. It helps you avoid the fly-by-night psychos. But it's very likely portions of your deep cover will be penetrated by a long-term SB and you may not even be aware of it. That's why I just assume elements of my cover will be blown in a couple of months and I have a red button contingency plan in place. I recommend everyone who has a mid / long-term SB do the same. Be able to scramble your fighters and aim your nuke missile sites at her within a moment's notice.This has been my strategy all along. I've rarely concealed my real identity and the one time I was threatened, I had all of her information at my disposal. Buried in the annals of this forum are the details. But needless to say, the threat evaporated once she realized that she would be hurt as much as I would.
West Central
04-02-13, 14:37
Petroleum-based products will rapidly weaken latex-condoms to the point that they'll break, leak, or tear.Many moons ago, the first girl I ever tried anal with wanted condom + lube. We used Vaseline, which practically dissolved the condom.
The first time I ever bought condoms, I bought a huge box of the lubed Trojans in the light blue wrapper. About 20 years later, I found part of that box packed away in some of my old belongings in my mother's house. Even the water-based lube had eaten into the latex and softened it to the point that it just tore apart with a light pull. Those things do expire!
That type manufactured from all-natural food-animal-butchering by-products, such as the brand called 'Lambskin's' I think, which are, if memory serves, made from sterilised sections of meat-animal intestines.Sexy.
"In days of old when men were bold, and rubbers weren't invented, we wrapped a sock around our cock and hoped that it'd prevent it!"
That would be a very interesting read. Get girls to climax with out every laying a finger (or dick) on their body.Now that's an idea that I wouldn't like to see catch on. This would be a SB's dream. Orgasm, collect $$, and never have to touch the Daddy. What are you smoking Smokearz ? LOL
RE: Where to get a fake I'd, ask any teenager. They all have them. In fact, our HCG SBs probably have them themselves.
Scott reports he's not that in to dom / sub stuff but nonetheless appx 5 of his 27 SBs have been, he further reports their orgasms were especially intense.
Interesting. I've never run into it myself but I haven't looked for it.
Maybe you're right. It could still be illegal to make, sell or buy them though, correct? I won't risk it and agree you should purchase expert advice if you do.Well so is pay-to-play, but it's extremely difficult for any prosecutor to ever go after any sugar-daddies, as long as the girl is legally an adult, because it's so difficult to obtain any admissable evidence at all, let alone any that wouldn't also convict her of prostitution too. Even if they could find or get evidence, of some type that's admissable into any trial-court, for either pay-for-play or the purchase of fake ID's they would still, under most circumstances in most jurisdictions, only be able to charge it as a simple misdemeanor anyway. Awkward, embarrassing, expensive, and inconvenient, but not devastating unless it results in a divorce and / or loss of child-custody / child-visitation, or loss of career / employment / professional-license / professional-certification.
There used to be books, and even kits if I recall correctly, advertised in the tiny-classified-ad's back-pages of magazines, like Popular Mechanics and Popular Science, about how to create your own false I'd's 'for educational or entertainment purposes only' and survivalist-literature publishers like Palladin Press used to sell how-to books which you can still buy under your First Amendment Right's of free-speech and freedom-of-the-press.
That would be a very interesting read. Get girls to climax with out every laying a finger (or dick) on their body.Is this written up in some book by or about Pavlov? It sounds like one of my fantasies.
Anyone have experience. Positive or negative?
Is this written up in some book by or about Pavlov? It sounds like one of my fantasies.This is Kama Sutra material
Once you have done some work and want to go deeper. And get her to climax on command without touching (always fun in a bar or restaurant) read up on Pavlov.I've had chemistry and been able to it instantly in tantric sessions with a woman's husband watching. And I have trained girls to do it. They give you a lot of freebies when you have skills.
Gentlemen, it is a fairly simply process. Especially when you catch them young. But like much of life you have to put your work in. Just showing up with a pocket full of money and lust in your eyes is not going to cut it (lmao)!
Well so is pay-to-play, but it's extremely difficult for any prosecutor to ever go after any sugar-daddies, as long as the girl is legally an adult, because it's so difficult to obtain any admissable evidence at all, let alone any that wouldn't also convict her of prostitution too. Even if they could find or get evidence, of some type that's admissable into any trial-court, for either pay-for-play or the purchase of fake I'd's they would still, under most circumstances in most jurisdictions, only be able to charge it as a simple misdemeanor anyway. Awkward, embarrassing, expensive, and inconvenient, but not devastating unless it results in a divorce and / or loss of child-custody / child-visitation, or loss of career / employment / professional-license / professional-certification.
There used to be books, and even kits if I recall correctly, advertised in the tiny-classified-ad's back-pages of magazines, like Popular Mechanics and Popular Science, about how to create your own false I'd's 'for educational or entertainment purposes only' and survivalist-literature publishers like Palladin Press used to sell how-to books which you can still buy under your First Amendment Right's of free-speech and freedom-of-the-press.Everything you need is on youtube dot com
"In days of old when men were bold, and rubbers weren't invented, we wrapped a sock around our cock and hoped that it'd prevent it!"I haven't heard that one for a while. Funny.
This is Kama Sutra materialIts like the advice in those seduction blogs. If you use just the right opening lines, the girl will supposedly fuck you in the backseat of your car within 15 minutes. I've never sent in my $25 to get the magic words but I've thought about it. When I was a young I was hopeful about studying hypnosis as a way of getting girls into bed. I bought a book, but I was never able to hypnotize anybody. Then there was Spanish Fly, a legendary aphrodisiac. I took a trip to Spain as a teenager to buy some. A pharmacist sold me some pills but said they weren't very strong. He was right, they were worthless. It turns out that sugar plus persistence, affability and directness works better than anything else in my experience. There are of course many successful variations.
There used to be books, and even kits if I recall correctly, advertised in the tiny-classified-ad's back-pages of magazines, like Popular Mechanics and Popular Science, about how to create your own false I'd's 'for educational or entertainment purposes only' and survivalist-literature publishers like Palladin Press used to sell how-to books which you can still buy under your First Amendment Right's of free-speech and freedom-of-the-press.I've never had an SB ask for I. D, but plenty of escorts do. In Baltimore, I refused once. The girl scooped up the escort fee and left. Another time, I called a high priced girl in LA. The deal was photo I. D. So I showed her my gym card with my thumb over my name but my photo on it. She laughed and immediately dropped to her knees and started sucking Mr Johnson. Nice girl but expensive. Then there was an escort in DC. She showed up late, whipped out some forms, took down the data on my I. D, filled in the form with it and handed it to me to sign. It said, no sex yada yada yada. I signed. She put the form in her brief case and said what would you like to do? I said, ah, how about a back rub? (I was starting my mongering career, I thought this was subtle.) She said no, I think that would be too much touching. I said, what do you suggest? She said, how about a walk in the park? You'll have to pay in advance for the second hour now (I'd already paid for one). Finally what was happening got through my thick skull. I told her to beat it and threatened to complain to her agency. She laughed on the way out. I think this was my only encounter in this business with LE. Scary. Fortunately the yellow pages had many numbers and I soon had a dumb as a box of rocks young woman female crawling all over me. But what expensive lessons. This kind of stuff is one reason why I switched from escorts to SBs.
AsianGuyInla
04-03-13, 18:37
I have the same problem. This is why I don't do SW's or BP, etc. Only non pros (most of the time)Do you ever get your SBs tested? How / when do you bring it up?
Watching a movie on the first date? BTW, let's go get tested! Then we'll grab some gelato.
AsianGuyInla
04-03-13, 18:49
Zomby's post is a good description of an issue we all face: the extent to which emotions get involved in our sexual activity.
I only started mongering about 10 years ago, others have much more experience, but I find it's hard to predict quality of sex or emotional commitment based on labels.
Escorts. I've had the usual hard boiled, coked out skanks show up at my door when I've made the calls. Quite a few of them ripped me off one way or the other. And yet. My last infatuation was with a 27 year old Swedish illegal alien in LA, a 9. 5. She had silky skin, cascades of blond hair to her shoulder blades, a body like the young Monroe (see Playboy Magazine Issue No. 1). She had some idea she could escort without penetration. She always cried during the deed but then orgasmed like a nuclear bomb. I fell for her. I promised her 12K for the year if she could keep herself together. She couldn't. There was also a short 23 year old 8/9 brunette in Toronto who had never had an orgasm. I couldn't give her one although I tried hard. (She had some kind of tiny extra tendrils descending from her clitoral hood. Not sure what that means.) I foolishly told her I was single and she proposed marriage. She tracked me down through her agency and called up my wife in a fury. That's the last time I gave an agency my I. D. There was a 22 year old actress / model / dancer in NYC at $2K per hour. College grad. She'd be a trophy wife at any suburban gold club in the USA. Not your typical escorts. Emotions with escorts? You bet.
Strippers. I've known quite a lot of strippers. Most are doing it because they don't want to think of themselves as or be hookers. Many are quite inhibited about actual sex. I've had three relationships. A 23 year old newbie in GA who started stripping to put food on the table for her babies, products of an unwise marriage to the world's dumbest burglar (he videoed himself breaking and entering then lost the video and the police found it). Very pretty blond with a peasant woman's strong, compact frame and an unusually thick clitoral hood. She turned me down a dozen times but one day showed up and fucked my brains out, finishing with the best bbjcim ever. She too wanted marriage. Another was a 19 year old Hungarian dark haired beauty in New Jersey, tall and shapely. I asked her to be my mistress. She evaded for a while then agreed. Wild and crazy in her habits. Drink, drugs, all that stuff, she was a cutter (sliced her upper arms with razor blades). It didn't last. Finally was the best lap dancer ever. Another blond. 30 years old, probably only a 7, but she did magic in the VIP. Weaving, softly touching and insinuating, her pussy always an inch out of reach, she smelled like a million dollars. She gave me an erection hard enough to pound nails just by blowing in my ear. I pursued her. Come to my room. No, she said on three occasions. I stopped going to her club out of frustration. When I finally went back, she led me by the hand to a dark corner, took off my belt, pulled my waistband out and managed to lick the tip of my dick. I said, Elizabeth, are you going to take off your panties for me? She said yes. We met at a hotel a half dozen times that summer. She was engaged to marry a banker. A week before the wedding she called to ask for one last session because it meant so much to her, she said. Probably wanted a little spending money too. Anyway I declined. Was I emotionally involved with these girls? Sure.
Sugarbabies. Lots of different types, hard to make generalizations. A couple of office worker types were excessively detached emotionally which detracted from the sex. One was an alcoholic housewife with GPS who demanded exorbitant amounts in advance (she didn't get them). Of my two ATFs, one (27) was a lovely girl with native american blood who would be a 9 except for too much ink and exaggerated bolt ons. She was great company though. A true courtesan, she was a serial mistress to older men and kept each relationship going as long as she could. She didn't strike me as promiscuous and was unskilled in sex, quite passive, but I liked her a lot. The other had just graduated from college. Blond and slim, a 7 but for her youth which made her an 8, she was obedient in all ways in sex and quite pleasant to hang out with. I asked her why she was wasting her time with me. She said she didn't want to get attached at the moment and besides, a lot of young men she knew were gay. I had a handicapped girl, maybe a 5 but very grateful and passionate. I enjoyed it. Then there was my little truck driver, mid 30's, she worked at her job round the clock. She was a 6. In bed after we both came she held me close and we talked quietly for a while. She had lost her only child in an accident. She said she just needed to be with a man. I felt privileged.
I think emotions are to sex like flowers to spring. They pop up in all kinds of unexpected places.Didn't expect to see something like this today. Thank you.
AsianGuyInla
04-03-13, 18:52
Well gentlemen I am officially back in the bowl after a lot of hard work and very mixed results on SA. I was struck by the craziest most persistent and destructive bat-shit crazy freak assed. She stole my credit card and had my full name and used this to terrorize me and my family and tried to extort money from me. It did not work.
Anyway I seriously considered not returning to this risky endeavor. But my evolutionary imperative pushed me past my fear and I dove in again. This time on SD4M. And I must say I like it better. Sure I get propositioned by dudes from Ghana and Nigeria every day but there are real women out there and some are pretty fun. And my eyes are much wider open than before.
For example on a M&G I position myself in a place where when the POT comes up to the venue I can see her long before she sees me. If anything looks out of the ordinary. I bolt right there. No hello or goodbye. No trying to act like she is just fine weighing 80 lbs more than her photos. I'm gone.
And to my surprise with a lot more hard work and time out of my limited schedule. I have found what I think is a real winner. She is real ATF material 9 head 8 body, and easily a 10 personality. I am lovin it. And the feeling is mutual. She is very attracted to me and never fails to tell me so. She is so much fun to be with. She is talking about getting on birth control so we can fuck bareback. She really wants to spend time with me. Has a real job. Busy social life. Smoking hot 39 yo white MILF. By the way I have several others working. One is a model, and another is just as cute. And a MILF that is into total submission. But I don't have the time or the money for all of this maybe just one backup.
Life is good. Persistence is definetley key in this game.
Be careful out there. Crazy women are the most dangerous element of this game. Screen carefully and trust your instincts if you smell something off.
RevvoWhen you say "out of the ordinary" what does that mean?
Well it was a long day yesterday. Many flakes. Actually three. But the cute little I'd girl did show. She was sweet as can be and very inexperienced in the sugar world. 22 yo white, very quirky, big beautiful breasts and really shy. She immediatley showed me her drivers license and did not ask for mine. But I told her my horror story and she understood.
She then told me one worse where a man from the site tried to sexually assault her and did not want to take her home. She was literally trapped in his hotel room. I understand where she is coming from.
It will take a lot to get her off the pussy. So I am not sure if she is woth it. By the way she is a model she is a fetish model. And a little heavy. I guess when your a fetish model that is ok.
Thats the story. No real cause for alarm here.
Be careful out there.
Revvo
Out of the ordinary. Does not look like her photos. Coming to venue with another person. Freaky looking. Badly dressed. Crazy looking. Fat. Ugly. Or both fugly.
Be careful out there,
Revvo
EuroInCincy
04-03-13, 22:51
Anyone have experience. Positive or negative?Really negative. You can not communicate UNTIL she accepts your date (and you use up credits).
Many times I had a date accepted. But they never replied. So you put in a complaint. And all they say. We do not control if they do not go on a date. And no we will not revert your credits.
Member #4290
04-04-13, 10:05
Just wanted to see if anyone would share their experience with me about girls who send erotic photos even before a meet and greet. I have read the forum and would still appreciate any further insights some of you might have.
Thanks
I have a couple of thoughts on this one.
I have had many girls send me erotic photos some down right X rated. BDSM photos etc. I love them of course but do not think for a minute because they have sent you these photos you are going to get the pussy. Look at it like another step towards the pussy. In fact it can be a good tool to get them to comply with you. And that does help with a trip to the FC. But surely no guarantee.
Another thought. It has been my experience and noticed many on the forum who gone through elaborate sexually charged text and email exchanges with POTs on here just to be frustrated or rejected. Lots of naughty pictures and explicit texting can actually be overdone and lead to rejection by the POT. For some reason it will give her cold feet or satisfy what she needs without having to go through with the act.
Texting should be to briefly get to know each other and to set the date. Telling her to send you photos should be just to get her to get used to complying with you. This will lead to Bette sucess. Let me know how this works for you.
By the way not seeing a lot of reports out there. Keep me coming guys.
Be careful out there,
Revvo
I think if the pix are hi-quality and looked posed, you are either communicating with a pro or nobody will show up at the meet. If the pix are homemade, taken in the mirror, or body shots from odd angles, it's likely you are dealing with a non-pro. Still, there are non-pros who just like to tease. One sb sent me a crotch shot 3 months before she agreed to enter the FC. I mistrust explicit texting from a girl you've just met as I think it's likely to be a fake or a nutcase or a pro. Just my opinion, I'm interested in others.
I think if the pix are hi-quality and looked posed, you are either communicating with a pro or nobody will show up at the meet. If the pix are homemade, taken in the mirror, or body shots from odd angles, it's likely you are dealing with a non-pro. Still, there are non-pros who just like to tease. One sb sent me a crotch shot 3 months before she agreed to enter the FC. I mistrust explicit texting from a girl you've just met as I think it's likely to be a fake or a nutcase or a pro. Just my opinion, I'm interested in others.Mr. Lit,
I'm batting about. 500 in that arena when it comes to explicit texts and photos. I'm a DOM so I like telling POTs to send me specific types of pictures to test compliance. But, I have found no direct relationship positive or negative related to success in or getting to the FC.
Well like I said in a previous post. I seem to be having much better luck in SD4Me, than SA. The girls seem a little more real. Less GPS, less sense of entitlement, and less scammers. But they are still there. But things are really looking up.
REVVOATFSB, This is a real winner here guys. Top quality and I mean top. 9 Head 8 body 10 personality and attitude. She is a 38Yo MILF, white, sparkling blue eyes and skin soft as silk, and an ass you could serve a beer on. Oh and she looks about 30. We hit it off immediately (sorry sub). Attraction is very important to me. So is chemistry. We met we talked we went on three normal dates and then sealed the deal. She looks like a soccer mom a hot one. Then she talks about all of the crazy sex things she wants to do. Can you say heaven. Has a real job. And just wants a married guy to have fun with. Not share her life with. Wow what an ideal situation. In addition she is very kinky and loves to experiment. Man that first fuck was pure heaven. She had not had sex with a man in four years. She kept telling me this the whole time. She told me on the night we were to have sex she masturbated before I picked her up. And she still exploded all over my dick. This was one juicy pussy. Lots of fun things ahead with this one. Some scheduling issues. But she is very willing to accommodate my schedule. I put her on retainer. (sub thanks for the advice on that also, you are the man) She may be all that I need.
I have had many many POTs many many flakes, and a few freaks. I even have a couple on the line that could turn into good bootycall babies. But there was quite a bit of frustration on this front, but I soldiered on and kept at it. And then like an angel from heaven my main POT below fell in my lap.
REVVOPOT1, Boys I am telling you this is what everyone man is looking for here. First she is Asian and loves sex. Not a GPS, sweet as can be and really fun. 26YO, firm body, possibly the best ass I have ever touched. Small and petitie. A real part time model. She showed me her stuff. 9 Head. 9 body, and 9. 5 personality. She is a real professional with a real job. Educated. She graduated from one of the top schools in the country for her field. She travels also but lives in my area half the time. Very convenient when you don't want to be on top of each other all of the time. Have not closed the deal yet. She is ready to go to the FC tomorrow. Kissed her and it was like kissing an angel, soft lips putty in my hands. She is very submissive and is just waiting for me to mold her. And molding I will do. When I get done with her she going to look like a pretzel.
I have paid a dear price to get to this point. I apreciate all the help I have gotten on this forum. Especially to Sub Commander, and Hollywood, and MajicRat. Without these guys I would probably have quit and returned to my live of quite desperation. Listen to what they say. They know their shit.
Be careful out there,
Revvo
My experience has been totally negative with any girls who have wanted to engage in dirty talk or exchange of salacious pics. I totally agree with Revvo that they somehow get their jollies by being naughty but never have to end up doing the deed. I think some of them think they can score some money just for the thrill of seeing their naked tits.
I will never do it again. I will save my special stuff for the FC. And girls never want to see our junk-ever LOL. I have had 3 definite hot and heavy sexting sessions that ended up badly (no M&G) athave sent naked pics and did not M&G either.
Going to see my HCB current ATF tonight. I am some kind of excited!
TravelinSD
04-04-13, 17:31
Hi guys! Back in the posting saddle again. For those of you that don't recognize me, and wish to know more about me, take a look at some of my past posts to read my SB story. A few weeks ago I made a connection off SA. She was a fairly hot 32 yo blonde. We made a date for a M&G at a public location. The night before we started texting. After some get-to-know-you type texts it started getting sexual. What position do you like turned into photos, turned into video from each other masturbating. We made arrangements to skip the public meet and see each other in private the next day. We text in the morning to confirm time. Then nothing. Meet time came and went. No response. I sent her a couple questioning texts afterward with no response. A sad ending, right? WRONG! A few days later she texts admitting to getting cold feet. Never done this before. Etc. We set another date. She shows for this one. 30 seconds after walking through my door she's devouring me. Full on lip lock, legs wrapping around me, the type of hugging and groping like she's trying to get inside your entire body. What followed was 90 minutes of the most intense, mind blowing sex I've had in years. Unfortunately after that she dropped off the radar again. Just sayin' sometimes the early pic thing works out.
Glad to be back,
Drummer.
Just wanted to see if anyone would share their experience with me about girls who send erotic photos even before a meet and greet. I have read the forum and would still appreciate any further insights some of you might have.
Thanks
HollywoodGuy
04-04-13, 17:34
I have a couple of thoughts on this one.
I have had many girls send me erotic photos some down right X rated. BDSM photos etc. I love them of course but do not think for a minute because they have sent you these photos you are going to get the pussy. Look at it like another step towards the pussy. In fact it can be a good tool to get them to comply with you. And that does help with a trip to the FC. But surely no guarantee.
Another thought. It has been my experience and noticed many on the forum who gone through elaborate sexually charged text and email exchanges with POTs on here just to be frustrated or rejected. Lots of naughty pictures and explicit texting can actually be overdone and lead to rejection by the POT. For some reason it will give her cold feet or satisfy what she needs without having to go through with the act.
Texting should be to briefly get to know each other and to set the date. Telling her to send you photos should be just to get her to get used to complying with you. This will lead to Bette sucess. Let me know how this works for you.
By the way not seeing a lot of reports out there. Keep me coming guys.
Be careful out there,
RevvoDue to the large demand from most guys asking girls for pics. I NEVER ask for them, as long as I see one face pic and one full body pic. It's sort of a reverse psychology thing. Makes me look less demanding upfront. All I know is it works for me
So, I a couple of months ago I started looking into the SB thing, read this forum and posted that I was going to take the plunge. Thought it was time for an update. I travel a lot for work and have been far from home for work for the last 3 months. I'll be heading home in a few more weeks for the summer, so I decided on a two-pronged attack. My first strategy was aimed at the area I am working in. I wanted to try and secure a short term SB here, to keep me warm through the cold winter before I return to the desert. I sent out 10-12 emails, trying to emulate F Scott's approach to out of town SB's. I felt a little time pressure, so perhaps I was too direct, as I got no response from most. Then, the situation got brighter. In a previous post I remarked about a response I had gotten from a woman who was kind of appalled to find herself on a SB site, supposedly by accident. I thought my chances were nil, but I persevered. We emailed, then texted, and finally agreed to meet in the middle (she was two hours away) for dinner drinks. At the last minute, she asked if I could drive all the way to her. I responded that I would be happy to, but it would have to bean early night, as I had to get back and be at work early. She texted back that as long as I wasn't a serial killer, I could crash at her place if needed. Victory! We met at the restaurant and she exceeded my expectations. After dinner she asked if I had to get back or if I would like to stop at her place for a drink. I felt it would be un-chivalrous of me to decline, so off to her place we went. I will remember the night that followed for a long time. After her earlier comments about the SB / SD thing I did not offer sugar, and she never mentioned it. We continued to talk and text for a couple of weeks, and met in the middle for dinner once. Most of our conversation actually revolved around the potential for a more conventional relationship, but we never could make our schedules work out. Finally, having failed to close the deal again, it was time to go. Great memory, CPO $0 (in Sub Cmdr terms) , but a one hit wonder.
Being a man who likes to have a long term plan, I also started sewing seeds back in PHX for my return home. I will be back there in few weeks, and it looks promising. I have POT 1, AA hardbody that I have been conversing with the longest, I think is 80% in the bag. POT 2: she's a 19 yo easy 9. 0. She's the one I want the most, says she's new to this but I fear may have GPS. But her pictures speak to me. I will put the most effort. And $. Into this as long as I think she's viable. POT 3 is a 22 YO single mom. Also new, seems timid. Very cute, wants to go slow, which I'm fine with (since I'm not even there yet) as long as go slow is not code for "pay me not to F*K you". I have 2-3 others that are new responses to emails. I will report again after I am home and working hard on these opportunities!
The possibilities are amazing, wish I had started on this much sooner.
I had one SB sent me a professional taken erotic photos. Turned out she was in the adult business. After agreed with $$, she basically just BJ. When I asked for more, she said,"that would need more than $$". Of course, no repeat.
(That was among my first SBs, now got trained by Cmdr. Chance of this happening is diminished)
Just wanted to see if anyone would share their experience with me about girls who send erotic photos even before a meet and greet. I have read the forum and would still appreciate any further insights some of you might have.
Thanks
Mr. Strict: I-95 corridor, NOVA to Richmond, west to C'ville.
Fred Moore: Washington, DC with Charlotte, NC to Bethesda, MD and points in betweem.
BigTigg: VA, MD, DC, PA, DE (Travel SBs from: Cali, Atlanta, Buffalo, Alabama)
CantWinLosin: Richmond VA.
AliasSM: Baltimore and North.
Hernando:Richmond, Va to Washington, DC.
DantaKarma: Northern VA, DC, Southern MD.
HighCotton: Richmond VA.
HappyHunter44: Charlottesville, VA
GuyWoodson: Centreville VA.
SubCmdr. DC, MD, VA Cali (San Diego & Oceanside) and Las Vegas.
HollywoodGuy: Hollywood CA.
Wnde8: Los Angeles CA.
Bondo500: Central Ohio
TreasureHunter: Los Angeles, CA.
LoriTruck: NC, SC, GA.
Magic Rat: NC, SC.
Kyowa: far-western-Kentucky.
KY Man629: Central Kentucky to Southern Ohio and Southern Indiana.
ATLDrummer: Atlanta.
Joesouncool:GA / TN.
Donwhite: Nashville TN.
PatsFan1: So. NH and No. Mass.
F. Scott: Chicago and surrounding suburbs, OTR (Asheville, NC, and New Orleans)
Golfcart: Indiana.
West Central: Wabash Valley IN / IL, TX, MA, Oz.
Smokarz_XO: CT.
FotoGuy1970: Michigan
I cannot believe how fast time flies.
I was trying to read back and comment on a few things, but man I was over 15 pages back. Too too much. So I'll hit on a few things.
Revvo: Welcome back!
#Feelings: Yes they can get kinda intense, but it's always good to never lose sight of what you are really there for and live with limitations and boundaries.
#BareBack: Most I've been with were not ok with it. However I must admit to having a few like a good bareback ride. Lately I've run across more that will. It spans all ages. I'm a big fan of STD tests. It really depends on how tight my pseudo is.
#Money: Money and quality do not go hand in hand. I do feel that sometimes it's may be worth the investment to give a little beforehand. But you got to have a good feel and know when to cut your losses.
#Pics: I only ask for a full body one and maybe one or two face pics. From there I move on. I never send pics of the TiggaStick until after they have done the TiggaBounce. My unfortunate experience has been that many that send the erotic photos do not end up making it to the FC.
#Identification: If she asks for it, I'm out. I don't use fake IDs. I pay cash or have my own GreenDot. I use Hotwire. I have a batphone and for the most part keep my info to myself.
#MsSuccessful: I have seen her twice in 4 weeks. After this last time (Wed) , she "woke up" and realized that times were getting infrequent. She is ready to get at it twice a week now.
#MsLatinaNympho: Met her via AM. We exchanged texts, asked very few questions. Met the same day we text for the first time. She is thick with a nice big booty. Not the fat type, the phat type. 100% Latina, with heavy accent. On the way to the lunch meet-and-greet (Thurs) she asked if lunch was all we were going to do. I said I don't promise anything until after we meet. We had lunch and she gave me that look and asked me to get a room. By this time, I was ready. So after lunch, we left and went straight to a hotel. The sex was very good, she even said a number of things in Spanish."who the hell is Papi. LOL". Since this was another AM find. I paid for lunch and hotel. Nothing else. She asked me later when can she get some more. She wants as much as I can give. Next date is planned for Sunday.
#MsOxyMoron: We are meeting tomorrow (Fri). We have an agreement $$$$ per month. Once a week for 2 to 4 hours each visit. She did not get the new apartment yet. After a few months of this, we'll see if the consistent sugar moves her along faster.
#Young-and-Beautiful: I've not had a chance to see her again. She is in Nando 1 category. So I'm keeping my distance.
#MsMature Nurse: Met on AM, first date was dinner and hotel. The sex was good, I've just been to spoiled by these young hard bodies. She had nice breasts and was pretty good in bed. I expect to see her once a month. I paid for room and gas.
#MsHotBody from CL: We have met twice. The second meeting was "ok". It was laid back. I got some kisses and great flirtatious feels and body rubbing. But alas, it was all in public. Since we have kept our clothes on, the sugar has been very limited. She's been a little flaky lately and I'm not about to invest in Arizona Waterfront Property.
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3 More POTs from AM. 1 in South NJ. 1 in Delaware and 1 in Baltimore. All are Caucasian, middle-aged. 5'6-5'8 with very well proportioned bodys. One had some great boobs, her private pic showed one all out for me to see....
I'll try not to stay away for so long.
BigTigg
Well, I'm a little embarrassed to put this out there, but I need to get the guy perspective on this latest occurrence.
I met last PM with my MRATF (Most Recent All Time Fav) I think a new acronym is in order. This was our 4th. The previous 3 were superb with a nice FC closure to a nice laid back night of snuggling. Last night we had a great warmup dinner and snuggle, but when we got in bed she said she was on her period and was not into sex at that time of the month. I of course said that it is the perfect time because pregnancy is not going to happen with a bareback shot in the bread basket. No Dice. I was steamed! What the F*k do they think we are paying them for? If I decided that I don't do allowances on one week of the month I don't think the reaction would be good. I know what you soldiers will say up front not being Emotionally into this SB like I am. But * this is what I decided to do for now. I bit my tongue last night and got up and took a cold shower (poor me) In the AM I told her I was disappointed that we will have to go 2 weeks without sex and she said that we will make up for it next week. How do you make up for a missed opportunity? Is she going to fuck me harder? Faster? Slower? I also said that I will keep up with her cycle and not schedule an appt with her when she is on. I did not get firm or lecture about the responsibilities of a SD / SB I pay the Sugar, she upholds her end of the bargain period (or no period ). I have a wife who does that kind of shit. I don't want a SB doing it also. She told me to be good this weekend, but I am horny as hell and will attempt to locate another SB to satisfy me.
I guess the question in all this rant is How would you guys approach your baby who you care a lot for? (she is not a garden tool personality) Would you have a sit down come to Jesus discussion? Or let it slide until it happens again? Remember, I am not going to see her on her period which penalizes her 1 week / month thereby reducing her monthly take. I'm also of the mind that she should "make it up to me " by seeing me twice next week, once for free. I will mention that to her and see what she says.
My Current Former Most Recent ATF HCB (CFMRHCB) has come back and is wanting a weekly gig. So I will pencil her in for next week.
My Sexting fail of last month has started writing again and is talking like she wants to meet. Her multiple R Rated pics were un*be*
Lievably hot!
The only downside here is a lack of funds to pursue this many SBs, so I will have to figure out how to generate more secret funds.
Mr. Fredmore,
If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you. It would be a sad world if only the pussy was available for us to get off.
Now I have had women start their periods in all sorts of situations and relationships. There are only two types of women: those who will get you off during their periods and those that won't.
We are paying these girls to fuck! Belay that! I don't know what the rest of you mother fuckers are doing (LOL). I am paying MY girls to fuck! If they are not fucking me then I am not paying them. And in case you think I only take a harsh attitude with women. I take the same attitude with civi women in my life also. I tell them that they can be absolutely certain that if they are not fucking me then someone else is. I am not a Priest. Celibacy is not a option until I can no longer get it up!
A great bunch of posts yesterday and today. Very useful.
Re the period thing. I agree she should let you know in advance. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.
Re the period thing. My experience is, a female in the FC usually offers a solution without being asked.
Some of the most creative sex I have ever had was when whoever I was fucking was on the rag, and these were Ivy League women with trust funds and pearl necklaces to boot!
Can't comment on what Tools might do - that's just not how I roll - but to each his own. It's what makes this thread so great: a tolerance for different opinions and approaches, and mutual respect for each others feelings and postings. No one trying to dominate the discussion or shutting down other posts if they are contrary to his own assertions. I'm so proud of us all! To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section. Not pleasant!
Keep up the good work, my brothers!
Scott
Mr. Fredmore,
If you are paying an allowance and you have a set number a visits per month. Then I don't see what the big deal is moving the dates around her period. If it is P4P then I would go off. Why? Because she has a duty to disclose to you that there would be no sex due to her period. But even worse is that she did not offer to jack you, suck you or spread her ass for you.
Attention! Commander on deck!Agreed!
Looking at this from the "I care about her" perspective. She should also care about you. I've had women to almost get mad if during regular sex I didn't have an orgasm. There seems to be an imbalance of "care" in this relationship. She should also care about you enough to want you always sexually satisfied. There was no need for her to make it up later, she needed to get with the program right then. I'm a nice guy and I understand not wanting to be too forward. But there are times were it's 100% in your right in any relationship to be selfish and take action (she may complain at first, but she'll get with it, if not, you may need to move on anyway). Oral, Anal, Hand, or Breasts with oil. I've even had some with very nice butts, slap some oil in the cheeks and let me go to town. When she cares about your satisfaction, then there is no reason you should not leave completely drained!
These relationships are supposed to be "Mutually Beneficial", choose your tactic wisely, but set a standard. Remember often times people will do (in this case "not do") what you let them get away with.
BigTigg
John G Smith
04-05-13, 18:37
It's very interesting that this discussion came up. Just the other night I actually got the PMS info from my Innocence SB, so I can track her cycle. There's a bunch of free apps and websites that will track cycles for you. I use a web-based tracker and pretty much any SB I begin to see on a regular basis, I put her info in the PMS tracker. Sometimes I'm coy about asking when her last cycle began, other times (like with my current SB) I'm pretty direct.
Some guys are fine with having bloody intercourse, but not me. I'm not big on blood to begin with, and menstrual blood can have a strong odor and can be hard to clean. Also some studies suggest there's an increase risk in picking up STDs (not just HIV) having period sex even with a condom. So I prefer to avoid intercourse altogether during that time.
So overall I try to schedule my time around her period. But if it sneaks up on her then yeah she should be willing to take care of business in other ways. She still has a mouth, hands, and tits.
FredMoore. If you like this girl and you don't consider her a "tool", then I wouldn't bother trying to get a "free" visit to make up for this. It'll probably just drag on the issue and create more animosity. But I do recommend giving a STRONG lecture to her about how she did not get you off by other means. She needs to understand that regardless your needs to be met especially if you're giving her sugar. Her duty is to satisfy you. In fact, she should want to satisfy you. Leaving you with blue balls is not an option even if she's on the rag.
But Fred, I would just tred carefully. If everything else is going good, you don't want to blow-up the arrangement over this one issue. Just make sure she now knows what time it is so it doesn't happen in the future.
EDIT: Haha, looks like I pretty much said the same thing as BigTigger.
Actually if you take a look in the Los Angeles section under Sugar Daddy sites you will find lots of good work on the West Coast Sugar market with plenty of tolerance and well reasoned discussion without a lot of E influenced rationalization.
First a hearty hello and thanks to the Tig man. Long time no hear. Don't forget about us amatures out here.
So the week has finished off with a bang in more than one way. Lets update shall we.
REVVOATF1; This is just getting better. No drama, no bullshit, no lying that I have been able to detect. And believe me I have checked. No excuses. Oh and she is on retainer and no crap about that either, she is always available if she can get away. (thanks Sub on advice on trusting my instincts they appear to be right on this one) And this is a baby that has real financial problems, a 4 yo child, and not a lot of support resources where she lives. I am really impressed. I treat her right. And she does me. She is not clingy. And does not want that from a man. Live your own life and meet in the middle.
So meet we did and had a nice dinner and then up to the FC. I give her instructions occasionally throughout the week. This does several things it engenders compliance, it AMPs up both our sexual desire for when we meet, and maintains her submissive position. If you have not tried this you should. It works great. The sex was awesome. Two nuts and we were both spent. I spanked her ass so hard it was beet red. Long after we were done. She has now told me it was not sore enough the next day. Oh well a SugarDaddy's work is never done. I will just have to go back and finish the job. LOL. This is a beautiful woman that is highly sexual and ready to please. I sometimes cannot believe my luck.
REVVOSB1; Yes this was almost too easy. It's so funny how hard you work for something sometimes and all you get are bruises and cuts, and frustration. Then a beautiful little angel literally falls into your lap. She was everything I hoped she would be and more. Very submissive, pleasant, intelligent, attentive, sexually open and ready to be molded. Enthusiastic. Damn. I am getting a boner just writing this. We set up a meet at a restaurant and then off to the FC. Get this. I am about 4 minutes late. She gets there early and gets us a table, and orders me a drink. She is in a cute little business suit waiting for me! Do you understand what this is like? A POT waiting for you. This may be a first in SD / SB history! Usually I am just hoping some miserable flaky POT just shows up, forget being on time. This one is trying from square one to please. Once again no bullshit, no complaining, no trying to hustle, no working some angle. Just a pleasant lunch where we talk about everything and she is trying to understand how to please me. I feel like I am writing one of those bullshit penthouse forum letters. But this is the real thing.
So we get to the FC and she is good to go. Doing every thing we can and every which way we can. Perfect little size 00 body, weighs 100lbs soaking wet. And a pair shaped ass that brought a tear to my eye. Two nuts and I am out of condoms. And energy. I could possibly go for a third nut. But the problem isn't my dick its my stamina. These babies want to be fucked really hard, and I can only keep up that pace for so long. I am going to have to up my workouts. And get them to blow me more before slip my cock in their pussy.
Well that is it for now. My little asian fortune cookie is off to NY for work for a while. And my ATF started her period right after I fucked her. So I will see her late next week sometime. Man I feel so lucky. Beats the shit out of sitting home watching TV! But it's not luck it is a lot of work and risk to get here. And no guarantee it will last. My friend who I really trust is the only one who know about this and he says there is a good chance I will get caught.
Be careful out there.
Revvo
Thanks for all your input guys. Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message. I do want to preserve the arrangement so I remained kind and loving.
I am going to school thanks to one of our own in the art of playing a Dom role, so I hopefully will learn how to be more assertive without having to pull out the whip. Or maybe I will.
And I will track her cycle and avoid her period. I will try PMS Tracker She might change her tune when she sees that I am serious about getting my nut and she will not see me during that time.
HollywoodGuy
04-06-13, 00:50
Well, I'm a little embarrassed to put this out there, but I need to get the guy perspective on this latest occurrence.
I met last PM with my MRATF (Most Recent All Time Fav) I think a new acronym is in order. This was our 4th. The previous 3 were superb with a nice FC closure to a nice laid back night of snuggling. Last night we had a great warmup dinner and snuggle, but when we got in bed she said she was on her period and was not into sex at that time of the month. I of course said that it is the perfect time because pregnancy is not going to happen with a bareback shot in the bread basket. No Dice. I was steamed! What the F*k do they think we are paying them for? If I decided that I don't do allowances on one week of the month I don't think the reaction would be good. I know what you soldiers will say up front not being Emotionally into this SB like I am. But * this is what I decided to do for now. I bit my tongue last night and got up and took a cold shower (poor me) In the AM I told her I was disappointed that we will have to go 2 weeks without sex and she said that we will make up for it next week. How do you make up for a missed opportunity? Is she going to fuck me harder? Faster? Slower? I also said that I will keep up with her cycle and not schedule an appt with her when she is on. I did not get firm or lecture about the responsibilities of a SD / SB I pay the Sugar, she upholds her end of the bargain period (or no period ). I have a wife who does that kind of shit. I don't want a SB doing it also. She told me to be good this weekend, but I am horny as hell and will attempt to locate another SB to satisfy me.
I guess the question in all this rant is How would you guys approach your baby who you care a lot for? (she is not a garden tool personality) Would you have a sit down come to Jesus discussion? Or let it slide until it happens again? Remember, I am not going to see her on her period which penalizes her 1 week / month thereby reducing her monthly take. I'm also of the mind that she should "make it up to me " by seeing me twice next week, once for free. I will mention that to her and see what she says.I never look at a girl being on her period as a bad thing. Of course I want to fck (and never do that when its that time of the month, it's a kosher thing) but there are so many other things you can do that we all seem to forget. Like letting her practice her oral skills or anal if thats what you're into. Most girls need and want oral training. Whether they think they are oral artists or not we know that 4 out of 5 times it could be better. They want to please us and its a great way to show their appreciation.
Talk to them while they are practicing, either instructionally or dirty or both. Praise their accomplishments and improved skills. Let them know daddy loves them no matter what. Spend time just kissing and petting (and even talking. LOL). While you may wish for more, the level of bonding achieved in these so called down times will be more than made up for later.
Like the suit guy says "I guarantee it"
HollywoodGuy
04-06-13, 03:13
A while back I remember reading about Golden Mans (pretty sure it was him) tactic of chatting up shop girls and dropping hints that would lead to an SB arrangement. He went out of his way to frequent places that typically hired PYT's. I thought it was interesting but figured it could never work for me due to my tight schedule and not having the time to invest in this type of pursuit.
One of the few social activities I engage in is the occasional fetish party. There is a big fetish scene in L. A. That I am not a part of but I drop in from time to time. 95%+ of the girls are pro-dommes with a few subs, strippers and adult performers of various types. But once in a while a curious amateur shows up. These girls always have a very strong fetish need that is not being met by their BF and they just can't take it any longer so they somewhat lower their standards and go slumming so to speak to relieve their anxiety.
Usually they do it once and never come back as they consider it creepy to display their private desires at a party or just too far out. Anyway one day I hookup with this straight off the ranch mexican girl (an unfulfilled fantasy of mine) with one of the strongest (to go unnamed here fetish) that I have ever encountered. As my skills in that area are well honed we had an instant connection. She immediately left and I did not see her again for a few months. She said she had a boyfriend and it all seemed too remote.
But over the course of a year I saw her at a couple other parties and we were always cordial and would hookup for a session or 2 and that was it. But we did exchange phone #'s. Finally one day a month or so ago I see her at a party and I say to her, "I know you like me, why don't we just meet at my place and fck". She says "I really like you but I can't" I ask why not and she says "you are a manhore", as she did know a little about my lifestyle from some conversations we had along the way. So I leave it at that and go home and forgot all about any chance of doing her.
Three days ago she calls me in a panic about a minor legal problem and I calm her down. She says she has to go to the court (which is right near my house) and will I pick her up because she is full of anxiety and wants to chill at my place for a little fetish fun (no charge). So I pick her up today. We go to my house and straight to the bedroom. With in minutes I pull out a $ and hand it to her. She looks at me surprised and says "is this for my birthday?". As coincidentally it was a couple weeks ago. I say yes and we proceed to chill for an hour.
Prior to leaving there was a little hugging and some minor kissing, followed by a little more in the car. Now since day one there has been awesome chemistry (but no physical affection displayed outside the fetish session) and that has led to nothing. The exact reason I never civi date. Way too much dancing around and uncertainty. A few hours later the heavy txting begins and I am going to talk to her tomorrow and see her next week. At my house she says she has to break up with her BF to pursue this. As she is strictly a one man type of woman and never dates guys that play around. Now it appears like it will progress no matter what. I admit I have my hopes up.
So is it a combination of a shared interest, a real physical attraction and maybe the $ combined that pushed her over the edge (almost)? We will see and I will let you know. She is a 7/9 spinner (rare for her cultural background and actually looked down on as unattractive) with a perfect fetish match. BTW. I did reveal all four of my regular SB's to her in detail so there is no deception.
TreasureHunter
04-06-13, 03:44
It's been awhile since I posted and this board is even more popular since my last post! I wanted to thank the Godfathers of the board for replying to my hotel question. I'm working on a couple of POTS but work has me occupied, so I can't spend as much time as I'the like on searching for babies and meet and greets.
You fellas seem to be striking gold at every turn! I'm especially proud of the guys who had bad experiences in the beginning but kept at it and are now knee deep in puntang. :) I'm playing catch up but I will contribute when I can.
To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section.Come on Scott. No need for that.
Its great to see another post from you. More F Scott stories, please!
But once in a while a curious amateur shows up. These girls always have a very strong fetish need that is not being met by their BF and they just can't take it any longer so they somewhat lower their standards and go slumming so to speak to relieve their anxiety.
*Anyway one day I hookup with this straight off the ranch mexican girl (an unfulfilled fantasy of mine) with one of the strongest (to go unnamed here fetish) that I have ever encountered.This sounds like quite a scene you are into HG. Is there a way to figure out the kind of fetish you refer to in this post?"to go unnamed" it must be quite unusual. I don't know whether its just an intense version of what we all love or something for a few select individuals not including me.
Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message.Sounds to me like you handled this well.
REVVOATF1; *she is always available if she can get away. *She has now told me it was not sore enough the next day. Oh well a SugarDaddy's work is never done. *
REVVOSB1; Very submissive, pleasant, intelligent, attentive, sexually open and ready to be molded. Enthusiastic. Damn. I am getting a boner just writing this. We set up a meet at a restaurant and then off to the FC. *So we get to the FC and she is good to go. Doing every thing we can and every which way we can.Maybe this is what the al quaeda types dream about for their afterlife in paradise. Very nice.
HollywoodGuy
04-06-13, 10:55
This sounds like quite a scene you are into HG. Is there a way to figure out the kind of fetish you refer to in this post?"to go unnamed" it must be quite unusual. I don't know whether its just an intense version of what we all love or something for a few select individuals not including me.My thinking is just more along the lines of staying a bit anonymous. And a type of writing style. I love the stories on here but don't see guys graphically describing the exact taste or feel of their SB's pussy when it's in their mouth, how big or small their dick is or how far they stick their tongue up some girls ass or vice versa. It's more along the lines of a romance novel. The point of the story was more to due with the tactics of pursuit then the kiss and tell of the encounter without sacrificing the one for the other.
Also the whole fetish variable is so varied and nuanced it would take a books worth of writing to accurately describe it in relation to the discussion at hand, which to me is the aquiring, maintaining and training of a worthy SB.
HollywoodGuy
04-06-13, 11:28
Some of the most creative sex I have ever had was when whoever I was fucking was on the rag, and these were Ivy League women with trust funds and pearl necklaces to boot!
Can't comment on what Tools might do. That's just not how I roll. But to each his own. It's what makes this thread so great: a tolerance for different opinions and approaches, and mutual respect for each others feelings and postings. No one trying to dominate the discussion or shutting down other posts if they are contrary to his own assertions. I'm so proud of us all! To see what this thread could degrade into, take a look at the similar one in the Los Angeles section. Not pleasant!
Keep up the good work, my brothers!
ScottThis thread has over 3, 000 posts compared to less than 300 in L. A. So I could say too many cooks spoil the soup, or if I want to hear about lame sexual encounters from guys with less game than a six year old playing monopoly I will read a steamy romance story in cosmo.
Or maybe its more like a long novel and L. A. Is just on chapter one while richmond is on volume three. I, ve read other threads on this site that most would say glorify acts of degradation. But after reading them more closely I came to realize thats just how complex the overall topic of pussy can be and got a little more open minded as to what makes some people tick without judging their tactics or motives.
I have never been a player hater although I have certainly encountered many. I've had my ass kicked, been threatened and have been arrested twice and detained a couple more all over pussy. I have even been a male version of a Nando 1 SB myself so suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I certainly have mine. Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live. I hope I die fucking an 18 year old 10/10/10.
Hopefully none of this gets redacted as I believe it is an honest and non-hateful response. I have never tried to push the limits of this site. And i realize my sarcasm my be more than some are wanting to hear. let the moderators decide.
Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live.Amen to that.
I hope I die fucking a 10/10/10.I hope you do too, Hollywood. Good luck.
My thinking is just more along the lines of staying a bit anonymous. And a type of writing style. I love the stories on here but don't see guys graphically describing the exact taste or feel of their SB's pussy when it's in their mouth, how big or small their dick is or how far they stick their tongue up some girls ass or vice versa. It's more along the lines of a romance novel. The point of the story was more to due with the tactics of pursuit then the kiss and tell of the encounter without sacrificing the one for the other.Got it HG. Not a problem. Thanks for your response.
Actually if you take a look in the Los Angeles section under Sugar Daddy sites you will find lots of good work on the West Coast Sugar market with plenty of tolerance and well reasoned discussion without a lot of E influenced rationalization.
Attention! Commander on deck!Something about Baldy Cruiser
Hollywood,
Do you really tell your SBs that you love them?
I am not sure how that goes over with them. Does that not set a false expectation for them? Does that cause trouble down the road?
Revvo
I did some browsing through some old bookmarks and I took a look at escort prices and wow!
We have our ups and downs in this Hobby, but I just love the middle ground of SBs. When I think of all the activity and time that I can get for $250-$350 with a SB compared to the 1 hour I get with an escort; it's going to be hard to pick the escort over the SB. Thanks to this hobby I even got a posse of short notice booty call women. These come for free.
BigTigg.
"I'd rather have a "6" three different times than "10" one time!"
(Inspired by SubCmdr)
We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?
Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.
Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.
Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.
Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.
The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.
Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.
SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.
HollywoodGuy
04-07-13, 02:41
Hollywood,
Do you really tell your SBs that you love them?
I am not sure how that goes over with them. Does that not set a false expectation for them? Does that cause trouble down the road?
RevvoI say it Over and Over. Their typical response is. I love you more. And they do. there is no false expectation.. I am an honest and loyal SD... but if they cross me they are gone. I always tell them to think of me as a stepping stone. Nothing lasts forever. Just enjoy it while you can.
RichmondDude
04-07-13, 10:32
We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?
Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.
Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.
Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.
Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.
The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.
Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.
SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.I am new to sugar world. Not the game, I tend to go for less attractive, less $, they seem to be more friendly, have had one high end sb, didn't like her $ need, felt like I owed her, I'm hoping to find that happy medium. Mid looks-body, yet still friendly, and don't mind hanging out for awhile. Got 1, 27yro little chubby, very reasonable. Very. Very freaky, will hang out for hrs, for little or nothing.
LikeMike1963
04-07-13, 12:25
What I have done is say. :hey. You up for a trade. I would love to give you a massage and maybe you can help me relax?". Giving my SB a massage always warms me up and she is always accommodating. I am fortunate in that she likes to give oral. So its usually after the massage and she just says."how do you want me?". Mmmm. I have an ottoman at the end of my bed so I usually just toss a pillow on the floor for her knees (I'm such a nice SD. Don't want her to have too much discomfort on her knees. LOL). I sit on the ottoman. Lean back against the bed. She proceeds. And she finishes me as I please.
Thanks for all your input guys. Follow up from several kind but strongly referenced emails exhibit a fair amount of regret at her failure to satisfy my needs and a hope to never send me away with a full load. So I know she got the message. I do want to preserve the arrangement so I remained kind and loving.
I am going to school thanks to one of our own in the art of playing a Dom role, so I hopefully will learn how to be more assertive without having to pull out the whip. Or maybe I will.
And I will track her cycle and avoid her period. I will try PMS Tracker She might change her tune when she sees that I am serious about getting my nut and she will not see me during that time.
Gentleman,
Due to the integrated nature of spanking and bondage in sugar life I have put together a brief "quick start" guide to these activities. Although I will be the first to admit that I am no expert. I have received several inquires about it via PM. I have been spanking and tying women up long before I realized what a gift women are to the pursuit of my personal happiness.
To avoid any additional potential nastiness about my attitudes and methods I will not post it here. Just PM me for it and I will send it to you. And unless I'm filling a nasty girl with my splooge here on the east coast you will find my harsh, irreverent and disrespectful commentary in the LA or Las Vegas forums. The girl philosophy towards all women in my life has changed it for the better. It works for me. YMMV!
Lie to your wife's, SO's and girl's! Keep with real with yourselves you women loving mother fuckers (LOL)! And stop eating that her pussy. Let the panty boi's in their lives eat pussy. Give them the dick!
SubCmdr out!
What I have done is say. :hey. You up for a trade. I would love to give you a massage and maybe you can help me relax?". Giving my SB a massage always warms me up and she is always accommodating. I am fortunate in that she likes to give oral. So its usually after the massage and she just says."how do you want me?". Mmmm. I have an ottoman at the end of my bed so I usually just toss a pillow on the floor for her knees (I'm such a nice SD. Don't want her to have too much discomfort on her knees. LOL). I sit on the ottoman. Lean back against the bed. She proceeds. And she finishes me as I please.This sounds like a good approach to the problem. Thanks.
We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?Categories can change and targets of opportunity often supersede preconceptions (aka Mr Johnson has a mind of his own) but here's my priority list of targets based on BT's categories:
1. Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact. LIT2 COMMENT: I think a lot of SDs share this no. 1 priority. Easier said than done, however.
2. Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate. Lit2 COMMENT: I include in this category no-nonsense babes who know what they want and sign up for the SB sites but don't accept they are UTRs. I like the lack of entanglements plus the amateur enthusiasm in this group.
3, The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: This is a preferred category for me because the neediness / emotion ramps up the passion but these babies scare the piss out of me when they start attempts to get involved in your life. High security risk.
4. Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning. Lit2 COMMENT: I like strippers because you can inspect the merchandise and it is often a challenge to fuck them because they have seen it all before. Dating may be necessary to get her across the line. Yes they can be expensive. Escorts are too crazy to date when I've tried so I don't do it any more.
5. Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: these always make me feel guilty which is not what I am looking for.
6. Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact. Lit2 COMMENT: For me, these are among the worst. Often afflicted with GPS, often looking for a husband.
7. SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory. Lit2 COMMENT: These babies want to control you. Some will be gorgeous, but too cold blooded for me. Plus I don't like dating any sb.
These are my subjective responses. I'm sure there are different priorities of targets.
Interesting exercise.
Just for fun I reread a portion of the thread from it's inception. WOW!
I want to thank Lit for the ground work that he did pretty much singlehandedly. It was a groundbreaking effort and it was fun to see all the characters come and go as the narrative moved on. I highly recommend that we all occasionally review how this thing has evolved into one of the most effective pussy hunting "How To " books ever. I think Lit should produce " Pussy hunting for Dummies "
Thanks Lit
HollywoodGuy
04-09-13, 15:50
Categories can change and targets of opportunity often supersede preconceptions (aka Mr Johnson has a mind of his own) but here's my priority list of targets based on BT's categories:
1. Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact. LIT2 COMMENT: I think a lot of SDs share this no. 1 priority. Easier said than done, however.
2. Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate. Lit2 COMMENT: I include in this category no-nonsense babes who know what they want and sign up for the SB sites but don't accept they are UTRs. I like the lack of entanglements plus the amateur enthusiasm in this group.
3, The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: This is a preferred category for me because the neediness / emotion ramps up the passion but these babies scare the piss out of me when they start attempts to get involved in your life. High security risk.
4. Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning. Lit2 COMMENT: I like strippers because you can inspect the merchandise and it is often a challenge to fuck them because they have seen it all before. Dating may be necessary to get her across the line. Yes they can be expensive. Escorts are too crazy to date when I've tried so I don't do it any more.
5. Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: these always make me feel guilty which is not what I am looking for.
6. Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact. Lit2 COMMENT: For me, these are among the worst. Often afflicted with GPS, often looking for a husband.
7. SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory. Lit2 COMMENT: These babies want to control you. Some will be gorgeous, but too cold blooded for me. Plus I don't like dating any sb.
These are my subjective responses. I'm sure there are different priorities of targets.
Interesting exercise.My first real SB was a #7 (hate to admit that). Then I eventually made it through the #2's down to the #5's to save money and time and like you said no emotion, just fucking. Now I am only doing the #1/3 combo girls for $ or less. Very high emotional involvement which cuts way back on the dollars as they do not want one without the other, working or student or both. Basically part time girlfriends. Long term strategy required, but well worth it as they are exclusive to me.
Just for fun I reread a portion of the thread from it's inception. WOW!
I want to thank Lit for the ground work that he did pretty much singlehandedly. It was a groundbreaking effort and it was fun to see all the characters come and go as the narrative moved on. I highly recommend that we all occasionally review how this thing has evolved into one of the most effective pussy hunting "How To " books ever. I think Lit should produce " Pussy hunting for Dummies "
Thanks LitI second that. Lit founded this thread when much was assumed and little was known about the topic. It has become a resource everyone regardless of experience can read and learn. I think this thread is unique and thanks to Lit and the rest of us for becoming object lessons.
Bunker Buster
04-10-13, 04:26
Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sugar-daddy-extortion-578452
John G Smith
04-10-13, 05:01
Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sugar-daddy-extortion-578452Every SB I now enter negotiations with will be receiving this link. This way they know any blackmail or extortion attempts against me, could find themselves with the FBI at their door and possibly facing 20 years in prison. Too many of these girls think they can make serious threats without any risk or repercussions.
I feel bad for that guy, but the story is a blessing to SDs everywhere. Use it to scare off psychos and to keep the normal girls in line.
Every SB I now enter negotiations with will be receiving this link. This way they know any blackmail or extortion attempts against me, could find themselves with the FBI at their door and possibly facing 20 years in prison. Too many of these girls think they can make serious threats without any risk or repercussions.
I feel bad for that guy, but the story is a blessing to SDs everywhere. Use it to scare off psychos and to keep the normal girls in line.A similar thing happened to me at the very start of my career in the Bowl. Luckily, I was under deep cover, and there was no way the baby could find my real identity, but I did have a few days of doubts and fear. It ended when I told her she should do what she wanted, but so would I. What I was doing, seeking babies while married might be frowned upon by polite society, but what she was threatening was a felony, and I would be contacting the police. Fortunately, I had not sent her any compromising pics beyond a selfie head shot, and maintained my secret identity, but still, it was a frightening episode.
Happily it did not deter me from future exploits! Imo, this guy appears to have done two things wrong - exposed his true identity, and sent her money without ever getting her in the FC. This no doubt gave her the idea that she could get the cash without any effort in other ways.
Maybe we could draft a "Ten Commandments for SDs" list of things that should never be done, i.e. Thou shalt not reveal thy true identity, Thou shalt not use personal or corporate credit cards. Any more?
A similar thing happened to me at the very start of my career in the Bowl. Luckily, I was under deep cover, and there was no way the baby could find my real identity, but I did have a few days of doubts and fear. It ended when I told her she should do what she wanted, but so would I. What I was doing, seeking babies while married might be frowned upon by polite society, but what she was threatening was a felony, and I would be contacting the police. Fortunately, I had not sent her any compromising pics beyond a selfie head shot, and maintained my secret identity, but still, it was a frightening episode.
Happily it did not deter me from future exploits! Imo, this guy appears to have done two things wrong. Exposed his true identity, and sent her money without ever getting her in the FC. This no doubt gave her the idea that she could get the cash without any effort in other ways.
Maybe we could draft a "Ten Commandments for SDs" list of things that should never be done, I. E. Thou shalt not reveal thy true identity, Thou shalt not use personal or corporate credit cards. Any more?Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.
Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.
Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.
Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.
Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.
Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.
Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.
Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.
Thou shalt not go raw.
Thou shalt not fall in love.
Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sugar-daddy-extortion-578452I have undergone 3 extortion experiences. Unfortunately, a long term SB will determine your I'd if she is motivated to do so. Fortunately I was able to resolve them with minimal financial exposure.
This guy must have taken a stupid pill for 1) sending naked pics and 2) giving money, $7000 no less, to a stranger
LikeMike1963
04-10-13, 12:35
There were some commentary and appreciated. I figure I should share my thoughts to the following. Just some quick background.
I have had SB's for about 10 yrs. Some a couple mths but several for 1yr or more. The longer ones were exclusive.
Ok. For those that prefer a longer term situation a few questions.
1) How much a month do you provide as a stipend not including any extras.
I have ranged between 800- 2000.
The highest paid was the very hot. Also the least reliable. Lasted 6 mths. Decent in bed.
My best SB ever is current. 1.5yrs. We initially agreed on 600 mth. But I always do some extras for her. We have taken trips. Sorta a PT GF. And yes. I am emotionally attached but know when she finishes school she will return to her home state. But she is a straight "A" student. Is on an athletic scholarship. When we met. She wanted to focus on school and with training and competing her time is limited. We see each other 6-10x a mth. Often sleep overs. She has stayed in my house alone. I am 26 yrs her senior. She is 23. I am 49. But I am in decent shape and decent looking. She is a solid 7. Cute. 5' 5".110lbs. And as mentioned is athletic so fit. She is the least expensive SB and by far the best. She lives on campus (full ride) about 45. 60 min away. So close. But not too close. LOL. We are exclusive. I am confident as she is very busy and always willing to make time to meet my schedule. She is a great girl and will be missed one day.
2) If you do extras / gifts. What do you usually do?
Gas cards. Spa gift cards.
3) How do you handle the cash part. Direct deposit. Cash in hand. With what frequency. Weekly. Monthly?
I have never just handed my SB cash. May place in an envelope and stick in her purse. Or have left on a counter. Never have done the pay per time. Has been in allowance for. From 2-4x a mth. The longer term ladies were by a prepaid visa that I would load 2x a month.
4) Do you require sexual exclusivity from your SB (or at least like being lied to about it. LOL) If we last more than a few mths. Yes.
Hernando and Golf, thank you. Many excellent contributors have made this thread what it is. I discovered a fuel additive that made it fun to race my 1955 Chevy around the track a few times; pretty soon others showed up driving 'vettes, aston-martins, ferraris and an occasional Bugatti. Today we have a real spectator sport.
Extortion: Wow, thanks for the article. Who would have thought the fbi could be an sds best friend?
Ten (more or less) commandments based on "trial and error" method of learning aka the hard way:
1. Empty pockets of every identifying scrap of paper and leave wallet in locked glove compartment in the car, enter FC with only the car key, cash, condoms, antibac, mouthwash, tooth brush and paste, locked cell phone, and a few nondescript clothes to hang in the closet.
2. Park car on other side of hotel from room.
3. Never accompany sb to hotel bar and leave her there alone, she will find out all about you from the bartender or, at a minimum, run a tab on your room number.
4. Never let the girl keep your room after you leave it.
LM63,
Yours sounds like a successful pattern. You do not appear to be a married gentleman, which is a big advantage in this business. It is interesting to learn how the sb / sd relationship can work when the security risks are reduced. Very much like a regular GF.
Thou shalt not write anything down in such a manner that your SO can find it.
Thou shalt not save any unused condoms for "the next time". Condoms are cheap, divorce is not.
Thou shalt keep a "clean" car, with all identifying papers locked away in a location of thy choosing.
I like Lit's admonition to empty pockets. I have done this many, many times when meeting babies in the FC for the first or second time, or even at the first M&G. Not that I think the baby would pin me down and empty my pockets, but the procedure puts me in the correct mind set. I would add a corollary: When on the road, thou shalt conceal all identifying materials in the room safe, or under thy bed, especially when thy baby is spending the night.
Whenever I am faced with an issue regarding secrecy or security, this is what I think:
Ask thyself, what would Jason Bourne do?
More?
Scott
LM,
I really appreciated your Q&A and read it a couple of times. I too am in a pretty good situation with a SB that is on retainer. And I wonder about a couple of things.
Have any of your LT SB's ever hit you up for extra cash?
Ever had a long term baby that was cash strapped and hurting, not a Nando 1 just someone who is going through a hard time?
If so how do you handle it?
So far this has not happened but I want to be prepared in case. Do you refuse, or just give it to them, or ignore them?
How about the reverse. Have they ever tried to skimp on service after getting their retainer?
Once again this has not happened to me yet. Mine has been very good about it. She even made herself available when she was on her period and sick to boot. Told me it was my decision. I took that as a high quality woman right there. So we just ended up hanging out in the FC, laying in bed and talking. It was pretty good.
You mentioned gifts, how about birthdays? Just give them cash?
Do you have any tips for heading any of these issues or other potential issues off as opposed to responding after the fact?
I want to learn from your deep experiences. I did not even know that this world existed before January.
But I am liking it right now.
HollywoodGuy
04-10-13, 23:24
(guilty) Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.
(always do this as much as possible) Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.
(I have a phone just for the girls) Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.
(I always use a disposable email address) Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.
(guilty) Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.
(there are some grey areas here)(just booted one after 4 chances to make good, she wanted a fifth chance. LOL) Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.
(guilty) Thou shalt not go raw.
(happened once, huge mistake) Thou shalt not fall in love.
LM,
Have any of your LT SB's ever hit you up for extra cash?
Ever had a long term baby that was cash strapped and hurting, not a Nando 1 just someone who is going through a hard time?
If so how do you handle it?
Do you refuse, or just give it to them, or ignore them?
How about the reverse. Have they ever tried to skimp on service after getting their retainer?
Once again this has not happened to me yet. Mine has been very good about it. She even made herself available when she was on her period and sick to boot. Told me it was my decision. I took that as a high quality woman right there. So we just ended up hanging out in the FC, laying in bed and talking. It was pretty good.
You mentioned gifts, how about birthdays? Just give them cash?
Do you have any tips for heading any of these issues or other potential issues off as opposed to responding after the fact?1) cash strapped & asking.
This is a sticky wicket. It all depends on how long you have known her, care for her, can afford, and trust her. If you pony up then you should consider the $$ a gift because you are not likely to see it again. At the very least use it as an advance for future services, either to increase your visit frequency or deduct from future sugar. I recommend not doing it and stick to the deal unless you have her on a very low retainer and consider her worthy of a raise.
2) How to refuse a loan?
To paraphrase our friend SubCmdr, be up front and say "Fuck no!" (Sorry Cmdr LOL) Or Lie like I would do and say you can't afford it because your wife won't give you any more allowance. I did this twice for Nando 1 s doind a "deal" that they would deliver later. Both stiffed me. We SDs need to be on the "stiffing " end.
3) non performance.
If you read a week back I reported such a thing with my HCB. She was on her period and did not feel good so did not take care of business for me. I nicely told her later how disappointed I was and she seemed to get the message. This is untenable since it is such an integral part of the "deal" I recommend addressing this up front in the making of the deal. Girls have periods every fucking month and some won't perform and some will. Get it straight. My former ATF HCB took care of me no matter what. My current has this one strike, so we will see if she learned her lesson. I don't pay to hang out with a cute girl. I think a freebie is good if she doesn't want to perform but likes your company.
4) gifts.
Cash is always appreciated but if you know her well then they love jewelry. I bought my former ATF HCB jewelry. I would take her on shopping trip to her favorite jeweler and give her a price range and let her pick 3 or 4 things that she liked. I would then call later and pay. If the SB is new to you Cash is good. If she is cash strapped then cash is good.
Anyone have a suggestion for a performance contract? This is "a little" tongue in cheek since we never want evidence out there but it is an exercise never the less in assuring that we get what we need / want. Perhaps to just use as a talking point.
This is to certify that the following arrangement is make between the party of the first part and . Flesh it in and remember the salient details when you are discussing the points you would like to cover. Sugar for sex is pretty evident but how about issues like sickness, periods, etc? If intercourse is not desired what is the expectation?
John G Smith
04-11-13, 06:47
I got a question for the brotherhood. I know some of you always suit up, but there's also a group of us that just can't help going raw. So I wanted to ask those in the latter group, how do you exchange STD tests discretely? How do you give a SB a test that has enough satisfactory information while still maintaining your deep cover? Seems like you have to reveal your real name because if the std test doesn't match your sugar name, she's going to think it's fake.
So how do you guys handle this situation? I plan on still going raw with certain SBs but I want to have exchanging tests as part of the normal routine. STDs still aren't fool-proof, but at least I'll know if she was clean 3-6 months ago.
PartyTimeGuy
04-11-13, 07:17
(guilty) Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.
(always do this as much as possible) Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.
(I have a phone just for the girls) Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.
(I always use a disposable email address) Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.
(guilty) Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.
(there are some grey areas here) just booted one after 4 chances to make good, she wanted a fifth chance. LOL) Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.
(guilty) Thou shalt not go raw.
(happened once, huge mistake) Thou shalt not fall in love.Only once did I hook up with a potential SB who was desperate enough to threaten me. Sometimes you just don't know. The really spooky ones seem perfectly normal until they fly off the handle. This one wanted hush money and threatened everything. At first it was sympathy for her financial plight and that she would kill herself if she didn't get a lot of sugar pronto. That turned ugly when the requested sugar was not delivered immediately and she threatened everything from having her male buddies make me wish I were dead to cutting off my junk herself.
Your advice on protecting your identity is very wise. In addition to all of the things you mentioned, keep all the personal information in your vehicle locked up (registration, insurance, etc.). Also, if you use a hotel when you get together with your SB, by all means try to use no-tell motels where they are happy to get paid in cash and do not ask for identification. It isn't as nice as the Four Seasons but the luxury of the room isn't worth the hassle if a crazy SB goes on the warpath trying to track you down.
John G Smith
04-11-13, 07:18
For those who have been following my recent experiences, you'll remember that I notably got burned by my Collegiate SB. Basically I treated her like the futures market and gave her a decent amount of money only for it to never pay off. Things were progressing until she flat out said she didn't find me attractive enough to sleep with after giving hints earlier that she did. Needless to say things ended right then and there, and I didn't give her a penny since.
Even still, she's still texted me maybe about once a week or so to say hi. I was cordial but didn't really engage in much conversation beyond the pleasantries. Part of me wanted to tell her to just shove off, but with the benefit of some sugar bowl experience, the other part of me reminded me that they almost always come back.
And indeed she did. I got a text message yesterday from her and she flat out said she would sleep with me if I gave her money for a trip this weekend (I'm guessing it probably would have been 100. 150ish). I was pleasantly surprised because like I said this girl is a certified 10 and she's a pretty high profile athlete at her college. But I still was cautious, while she was very close I could sense she wasn't quite over the edge yet. I played it cool and basically asked her some follow-up questions, which caused her to rethink and change her mind for now. And I was fine with that. She wasn't desperate enough. Even if she went through it, I could tell she probably would just lay there and close her eyes. But I want her to get desperate enough to where she knows she has to work for it in the bedroom and she'll feign enthusiasm. Once she has the right frame of mind, my bedroom skills will take care of the rest. So she's not quite there yet, but she's inching ever closer. And as we talked further, I found out she has even more expenses coming that she just found out later in the day. So she could ripen in just a few weeks time for a quality FC visit, but we'll see. She's know too that I refuse to give her a penny until after I've banged her, so she now knows what time it is. I've already made my investment, now I'm just waiting to see if it ever pays off.
Just goes to show that if you're a gentleman and a girl gets used to receiving money from you (whether you've banged them or not) , they almost always come back eventually. That's why unless the girl was a danger, I always leave the door cracked open when things end or don't work out. The second time around the girl almost always has a much better (and realistic) attitude.
LikeMike1963
04-11-13, 08:25
I have notes below. Just FYI. I am currently not married but work / travle alot so yes that is an advantage. But I have been married and had SB's at that time.
LM,
I really appreciated your Q&A and read it a couple of times. I too am in a pretty good situation with a SB that is on retainer. And I wonder about a couple of things.
Have any of your LT SB's ever hit you up for extra cash?
Sure. They were not around for LT. LOL. I may give them one chance but if they keep coming back. They are gone. And if they are going to ask for more. It will happen soon in the game.
Ever had a long term baby that was cash strapped and hurting, not a Nando 1 just someone who is going through a hard time?
I have not. Maybe ahint or two. Like wanting to visit family over the holiday etc. So thats vaild to me. And that is what happened.
If so how do you handle it?
See above.
So far this has not happened but I want to be prepared in case. Do you refuse, or just give it to them, or ignore them?
How about the reverse. Have they ever tried to skimp on service after getting their retainer?
If they did. Guess what. They are not going to be a LT SB. I mean their are exceptions. Like people really do get sick. Or maybe something extra with practice or school came up but the good ones always make up for it!
Once again this has not happened to me yet. Mine has been very good about it. She even made herself available when she was on her period and sick to boot. Told me it was my decision. I took that as a high quality woman right there. So we just ended up hanging out in the FC, laying in bed and talking. It was pretty good.
Yeah. I have done that too. But generally ask for a trade. Ill give yo a massage and you can help me relax.
You mentioned gifts, how about birthdays? Just give them cash?
Usually an actual gift. Maybe a gift card. Spa trip. Victoria secret. (that usually ends up benefiting me too. LOL)
Do you have any tips for heading any of these issues or other potential issues off as opposed to responding after the fact?
I actaully invest time in my search for a LY SB. As mentioned. This is the best SB I have ever had over 10 yrs. If I was 20 yrs younger. I'd try to keep her. Haha. By investment. I mean that I make it clear that the first few times we meet will be in public and I have no expectations and just meet for dinner etc. And I follow through. If I like her the first time we meet I may give her a gift card of some sort. $50. And do so as we meet the next couple times. If we are actaully meeting I have already discussed some system with them as to how I plan to help them such as a prepaid charge card that I will add too every couple weeks. This is the protocol I use if I think she has potential as a LT SB. If they start talking about how much cash. When etc. Then they are more likely pro or semi pro. By best SB's never asked and they were news. So I woudl set the stage and they were happy.
I want to learn from your deep experiences. I did not even know that this world existed before January.
Enjoy. I have met dozens and dozens of girls to only get a couple reaaaaaaaly great ones. But the chase is fun too!
But I am liking it right now.
LikeMike1963
04-11-13, 09:39
Sorry fo ral the typos and a couple grammar errors. It was early and I did not reread.
I have notes below. Just FYI. I am currently not married but work / travle alot so yes that is an advantage. But I have been married and had SB's at that time.
Mike,
You should try multi-quoting to format your answers better. The way it is now, it appears that Revvo said all of that. See below or see Lit's post here.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=1727294&viewfull=1#post1727294
To see what I mean. It's pretty easy, just cut and paste the QUOTE and End QUOTE markers in the places you want to answer and use the preview report function to make sure it looks how you want it before posting. Just a friendly suggestion.
I have notes below.Your notes are in Revvo's quote.
Just FYI. I am currently not marriedBeing single makes the SD game easier.
but work / travle alot so yes that is an advantage.See what I mean.
But I have been married and had SB's at that time.
I actaully invest time in my search for a LY SB. As mentioned. This is the best SB I have ever had over 10 yrs. If I was 20 yrs younger. I'd try to keep her. Haha. By investment. I mean that I make it clear that the first few times we meet will be in public and I have no expectations and just meet for dinner etc. And I follow through. If I like her the first time we meet I may give her a gift card of some sort. $50. And do so as we meet the next couple times. If we are actaully meeting I have already discussed some system with them as to how I plan to help them such as a prepaid charge card that I will add too every couple weeks. This is the protocol I use if I think she has potential as a LT SB. If they start talking about how much cash. When etc. Then they are more likely pro or semi pro. By best SB's never asked and they were news. So I woudl set the stage and they were happy.This is a dignified and well thought out procedure which obviously works for you. It's got to be better for the baby than the rapid fire, fast penetration followed by abandonment attacks many of us specialize in. Yours is not my thing, because I don't want that kind of involvement, but I certainly respect it. However, I'm curious how you handled the security risk while you were married.
I shouldn't have used the word attacks in my last post. I don't practice or approve of any kind of non-consensual sexual activity. Rapid fire sugary seductions is what I like.
I got a text message yesterday from her and she flat out said she would sleep with me *** I could sense she wasn't quite over the edge yet.By the time you finally agree to fuck this poor girl she will be so eager she may break your dick off, so watch out. Nice self-discipline, JG.
I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?
LikeMike1963
04-11-13, 12:15
Thanks for the lesson Spitfire. It will make my post more legible.
[This is a dignified and well thought out procedure which obviously works for you. It's got to be better for the baby than the rapid fire, fast penetration followed by abandonment attacks many of us specialize in. Yours is not my thing, because I don't want that kind of involvement, but I certainly respect it. However, I'm curious how you handled the security risk while you were married. QUOTE]
When I was married. I engaged a bit more into the semi rapid fire mode (3-6mth SBs) but did eventually settle on a regular SB. I then as now work and travel a fair bit so it would be "hey hon". Ill be late tonight. Or I have an overnight. I was fortunate in that I had a friend who let me use his house. FYI. NONE of these babies knew my real last name etc. My bud traveled alot too so schedules were ok to work out. Even if we crossed paths. The story was that he was a friend who traveled for work alot but came to my hometown so I would put him up (in his own house. Hahahah. Hey. These are the basic SBs. They usually had a BF so only moderately interested in me and my personal biz. But I used another friends industry as my own job when talking so I was reasonably knowledgeable and could speak the language if questions came up. But yes. 4-5 steps of cover. They say when your getting your pilots liscense to fly high enough for 3 mistakes. I try to use that lesson in most of my lifes endeavors. And no my divorce was not because I got caught. She never knew. But I was not married long. 5 yrs
I always kinda wanted to be a secret agent..... oooor am I?... muuuuaaahhhhaha
LikeMike,
Thanks for all of the great answers. I am following in your path on the LT SB one at a time. Taking my time with her and it is working out great.
But a couple of other questions.
1. Did you keep a bench going as backup or did you just play with the one? I am torn on this one since the bench makes for a lot more work. But you get the benefit of an abundance mentality.
2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.
What is the quality of your LT Babies?
Revvo
I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?Think hard about this decision Bro. I would only do that if she was a real girlfriend and you know everything about her. She will know all about you including where to find you.
I understand the temptation but when you tire of her or want variety then how do you get her out? It might not be easy and she will have something on you.
Member #5055
04-11-13, 16:29
Bad idea, she will no longer be an SB. She will be a live in girlfriend, and they are hard to get rid of!
I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?
I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.
HollywoodGuy
04-11-13, 16:52
I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?I have lived with multiple SB's. Serious background check is required. Any kids, X's, drug use, did they graduate HS, do they want to work or are they in college, any prior live in experience, do they have a lot of friends, and on and on. I have a live in now and she is cool. Very hard to find. With zero drama
Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.
Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.
I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.The key to a domestic violence conviction is evidence of physical assault. If the girl you are shacking up with calls the police on you, in most Jurisdictions you are going to jail! You will be arraigned and depending upon your criminal history and quality of your attorney you will either be OR'ed or given a bail amount.
In the interim, a truly devious girl is going to file a restraining order against you. Forcing you to stay away from her for a certain amount of days. The first one she gets a free shot. Judges are not going to say no just in case you really are as fucked up as she says you are. But on request of renewal, if you are truly a fine upstanding citizen, that just likes to pay girl's to fuck you, she will not be able to maintain it. And you will be able to return to your home.
During this time your case will usually be referred to the investigating arm of 5-O. This often includes a request for a very uncomfortable interview with the POLICE in which you have to decide to reveal the true nature of the relationship with your live in girl. Or take the 5th. I always recommend taking the 5th. At the conclusion of this process the local prosecutor will decided if they want to file charges against you.
This is all governed by the laws of your state where you are shacking up with the girl. Now all bets are off if you like to slap your garden tools and kick them in the butt to let them know you mean business. Non consensually of course. (Mr. Lit, disclaimer not withstanding I bet you slapped a girl on occasion, but I digress). So, a hour with a divorce or criminal defense attorney may be money well spent.
Over all this a situation that is not unique to having Ho's live with you. Any women that you live with that gets tired of you fucking her, may begin to start fucking you. It's just that it gets a lot more complex when it is a ho you are paying to fuck.
There are problems and issues with getting tail no matter what.Watch your ass mother fuckers or get it handed to you!
P. S. And for you inquiring mind type of mother fuckers out there. Yes! This happened to me! With the most expensive girl I have ever fucked in my life. My first wife (LOL)!
1. Always take care of home first.
2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.
3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.
4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.
5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.
6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.
7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.
8. Date your wife, keep her happy.
LikeMike,
2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.
Revvo
#CLHottie (22) : Had to let her go. After one month and seeing her only twice. She has some deep seated self-sabotage / self hatred issues. I've never seen any this bad off. Even with opportunities to make her immediate situation better, she chose to stay in the middle of drama and emotional upheaval. It quickly turned out not to be any fun or panties being dropped. That experiment is over.
#MsSuccessful (37) : Had to let that go. Her situation changed and it really required for us to make some changes. I could still be with her, but I'd either have to cut back on getting sex at the same pace or lie to her about being exclusive. So that's out.
#20YearOldDCHottie: Had lunch with a new prospect. She's a senior in college. African American, about 5'2, beautiful skin, great smile and just the most wonderful DDs. She reminds me of my other young hottie, only much smarter. My my my she's a cutie. Not sure it's going to turn out to be much. She's not sure she can go through with it. She does not want any funds. Her boyfriend is "away" and she'd like a distraction. She's never done this before and even though our dinner was fun and engaging, I could see her still struggling with her decision. She's agreed to take it one date at a time.
#MsLatinNympho (35 years old) : We've text or email every day. I'll probably be seeing her next week or the week after.
#MsOxymoron (29 years old) : She back in the saddle and we now have a standing date once a week. ($ each meeting). I got to pay for the hotel.
#MsYoungHottie : (22 yrs old) Saw her last night briefly. She's not the brightest, but dayum she's sexy! So she's been very easy to please and very easy to impress. This is a person who thinks $35 a day to rent a car is a lot of money. Just with the phone calls and emails and the small amount of funds I've sent. She's totally committed and being exclusive. She does not drive, does not have a car, lost her job and in school. She was venturing into Nando 1 territory, but she's taking my help to not go over the edge. This seems like it's going to be a great investment. The sex was great and she's gotten more and more comfortable. So now I'm getting really "good" pictures and tons of priority. She just lives so far away.
#MsBusiness (24) : Met a young AA Entrepreneur. She's is a mix of cute and pretty. Not quite as beautiful as some others. She is by no means petite. But if you like the shapely non-fat women, then she is classified as "smokin!". It was so bad I just had to compliment her on her back side when she was walking away. Absolutely amazing. During lunch, responding to my question, she said her minimal expectation was $2500. I did not choke on my steak, but kept the conversation going. At the end of lunch I thanked her and told her that she was out of my range. Amazingly she was negotiable as long as I didn't expect her to be exclusive. So we cut a deal between 600-800 per month. Since she has her own place, if this works out for the both of us, I'll have to drop someone else.
#MatureBigBooty (37) : Exchange pics and emails with 37 year old from AM. She is good looking, but her butt is actually a little on the big side. However everything else is very much in order, does not seem to have much of a belly. She was clear, she's looking to have some good experiences and get in some good screwing. She's single. We are schedule to meet on Sunday.
My BigButt beautiful friend from down south is flying in next week. And my six foot DD friend is flying in next month (I'm much shorter than 6 foot).
BigTigg.
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"
I couldn't of said it better my brother. RESPECT!
John G Smith
04-12-13, 06:08
1. Always take care of home first.
2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.
3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.
4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.
5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.
6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.
7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.
8. Date your wife, keep her happy.Excellent tips. We need more of these. We've talked recently about being in deep cover with SBs, but we haven't talked much lately about the effort and care needed to maintain your "normal" life and keep it separate from your covert activities.
I'll just add that a gym membership is your best friend. And get a gym membership which has multiple locations if possible. Not only does the gym give you some regular "off-the-grid" time (I always leave my phone in the locker when I'm working out) but you have a reliable place to shower if necessary. It also doesn't set off alarm bells when you're packing a change of clothes with you and leaving the house with a travel bag. In your gym / travel bag always carry the exact same soap and shampoo. This way your FC visit can very easily mimic a gym workout. Women are very sensitive to smells, so if you use the same soap and shampoo at the FC as you would the gym, then to the SO you'll smell like you just came from the gym.
Also as Tigg said, have regular outside activities whether it's friends or even just taking a local community college class. And when you do those things even legit, don't gab too much about your activities to the SO. Aside from a few random anecdotes, try to establish the pattern with your SO that your time is your own and keep the summaries of your activities brief. If you're having to fabricate too many events in detail, eventually you're going to get your stories or details mixed up. It also minimizes the chances of contradictions from external forces if you keep things brief and vague. In general try to weave your lies as close as possible to the truth.
One more thing, I always be careful when meeting a SB who lives more than a hour from you. The distance can be good for discretion, but if you're driving 100 miles north, but you're telling the SO that you're actually 100 miles south or that you're in town, then you have to be extra careful with your trip. Don't get a speeding ticket. Make sure your car has been serviced recently. Know how to change a flat tire. Avoid parking tickets. Basically try to avoid situations that will leave you stranded or leave evidence that you were 100 miles away from where you suppose to be. It's also wise to check the weather, traffic, news of where your SO thinks you really are. If some guy tried to jump off a freeway bridge that brought traffic to a standstill, you better know about it.
That's why I actually avoid lying too much about my location because too many things can go wrong for exposure. So if I'm meeting a SB 100 miles north of me, I'll tell the SO I'm visiting a friend within a 25 mile radius of that location. This way if something unexpected happens, it's much easier to explain. As I said, I go by the principle of weaving lies as close as possible to the truth.
I forgot, the one thing missing from Tigg's list which I think is probably the second biggest vulnerability (the phone being the biggest) is your computer. You MUST secure your computer at all times. Don't ever use the family computer ever for SB activities. Only use your personal computer and make sure it's password protected and locked down when you're not around. When using it, don't use the default browser. Firefox and Chrome are getting even more popular so I would probably avoid those too. Use something like Opera which your SO won't recognize or know how to use. Don't use the save password function in the browsers. The vast majority of SO's get solid proof of infidelity from phones and computers. We use those things so much that it's easy to get sloppy. But at the same time try to keep the dirt buried in your computer deep enough, so your SO could check her Facebook on your computer without you having a nervous breakdown in front of her. Randomly offer her to look up something on your computer (in a controlled environment of course). This way she doesn't think you're trying to hide something.
I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.I wouldn't have thought of it except for an article in the local paper about the exact same situation, although that situation had nothing to do with SD / SB arrangements. It was crazy!
My limited experience has been pretty good. I just got back form a new hookup today. Was scheduled to see one of my regular SB today. Got text from her last night saying that today may not work because of a babysitting issue. Now this girl is a single mom and a solid 8 on any scale 5'7" 130lbs 22 yrs old. I meet her 2-3 times per month and give her 125 and pay for the hotel which is another 55-60. Then we have about 2 hours of fun. Multiple holes and she is into it too. She is a stripper. Very hot. She is NH SB1.
Anyway, she couldn't make it today so I contacted one of the other gals in her area. Met her for coffee. Talked about what each of us were looking for. I told her I was comfortable with 125 per meeting. She explained that she wasn't an escort."Of course you're not I said. If I was looking for an escort I'd be looking in a different place. I'm looking for someone I connect with and make it a regular arrangement." 3 minutes later she asked me if I liked her?"yes, you're cute and sexy" she suggested a nearby motel. 23 yrs old 5'4" 120 lbs and hot. I knew she was only available time wise for a one pop meeting. Very fun. What would I have paid for an escort about the same for this meeting. But we talked at the end and I mentioned that next time she should plan on 2-3 hrs of fun. She said that sounded good. Today's baby below (image 123) in bra garter set.
1. Always take care of home first.Good advice but unfortunately the reason most of us step out is because we are not happy at home, Right?
So it is very hard to act normal when you are banging these nubile young lasses several times / week. Other societies have it right where it is acceptable / expected for a gentleman of substance to have his concubine on the side. In those cases he is expected to take care of the home front and she to look the other way when he is visiting his "niece"
These are good tips to maintain security. It's amazing how far we have come in the last few years.
Re email: go directly to the email host server to use your clandestine email and don't keep copies of emails on your computer. Watch out for the Petraeus problem. Its probably even better to use anonymous accounts. For one such, which I haven't tried, see:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/tutorial-how-create-anonymous-email-acc
Re computer: study encryption methods, some are better than others. Encrypt any sb related files on your computer, like those pussy pix you took and love so much to look at when you're apart.
Re license plates: anyone solve this problem other than by renting a car or hiding your car?
LikeMike1963
04-12-13, 10:36
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1732377]LikeMike,
Thanks for all of the great answers. I am following in your path on the LT SB one at a time. Taking my time with her and it is working out great.
But a couple of other questions.
[QUOTE1. Did you keep a bench going as backup or did you just play with the one? I am torn on this one since the bench makes for a lot more work. But you get the benefit of an abundance mentality. ]
For my LT. I did not keep a bench warmer. Your right. Can be alot of trouble and she keeps me pretty happy. If I want something a bit different I would go to a body rub place and get a jack or maybe a BJ but never did search out the muffin. Over the last 1. 5 yrs. Have only done the BR place maybe 4x.
[QUOTE.2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.]
This is tough. Are you talking LT or ST baby. Short term is easy. Stay as incognito as possible. They never new my real name. Where I lived. Where I worked. Etc. As mentioned before I had an advantage in using a friends house. If LT. Does she have a BF she really cares about. If so. She likely will not dick you over because she does not want to be found out. I have had only had 2 babies that knew alot about me and one is my current lady. So give as little info as possible. If you do not want to fake an entire profession. Choose a parallel profession that you can talk about intelligently.
[QUOTEWhat is the quality of your LT Babies? ]
The 2 LT I have had. Are reasonable 7's. Both were in school. Bright. Worked or was an athelete so their schedule is busy. One was a single mom with work and school so she was like. It would be nice to have someone stable as she did not have time to party and dick around with her age guys while going to school. Working and a kid. FYI. At a later point I did meet her child and had seen her a numbers of times but kept distance as we both agreed the child should not really become attached to me.
LikeMike1963
04-12-13, 10:44
1. Always take care of home first.
2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.
3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.
4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.
5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.
6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.
7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.
8. Date your wife, keep her happy.FANTASITCO advice
AllSeasonLv
04-12-13, 13:44
These are good tips to maintain security. It's amazing how far we have come in the last few years.
Re email: go directly to the email host server to use your clandestine email and don't keep copies of emails on your computer. Watch out for the Petraeus problem. Its probably even better to use anonymous accounts. For one such, which I haven't tried, see:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/tutorial-how-create-anonymous-email-acc
Re computer: study encryption methods, some are better than others. Encrypt any sb related files on your computer, like those pussy pix you took and love so much to look at when you're apart.
Re license plates: anyone solve this problem other than by renting a car or hiding your car?We don't have this problem in Virginia. To the best of my knowledge, license plate info is in a secure data base that is only accessible by state and local LE and DMV. If you know of a way to get into these data bases, I'd like to know.
ASL
We don't have this problem in Virginia. To the best of my knowledge, license plate info is in a secure data base that is only accessible by state and local LE and DMV. If you know of a way to get into these data bases, I'd like to know.
ASLSame up my way. Only police and the courts have access to that info. There are several companies on the web that state they can run a plate, but they're all bogus. Even if a baby had a relative in LE, she would be asking them to do something that is closely monitored, and could in fact get them in trouble themselves. It's a non-issue as far as my research has shown. More likely she finds your registration info in the glove box.
Scott
Member #5055
04-12-13, 16:37
I could ask quite a few of my local Dep. Sher. Here in the rural county, and they would run the number. I agree that in the cities the cops probably would not. But out here in the sticks, it is pretty easy!
We don't have this problem in Virginia. To the best of my knowledge, license plate info is in a secure data base that is only accessible by state and local LE and DMV. If you know of a way to get into these data bases, I'd like to know.
ASL
I'm glad you brought that up. It was 3am or so and I was struggling to get my thoughts out. So when I say "Take Care of Home First". I mean take care of your responsibilities, make sure bills are paid, grass is cut, cars are washed, don't miss soccer games, etc. Be a great husband in all the other areas and as you said, do the best you can to act normal in the bedroom.
Good advice but unfortunately the reason most of us step out is because we are not happy at home, Right?
So it is very hard to act normal when you are banging these nubile young lasses several times / week. Other societies have it right where it is acceptable / expected for a gentleman of substance to have his concubine on the side. In those cases he is expected to take care of the home front and she to look the other way when he is visiting his "niece"
Is marriage a viable institution anymore? I read recently that 56% of children are born to unwed parents in the USA, so that is not the excuse. The thing is, when a relationship (marriage or otherwise) is good it can be really great, but when it sours, we log on to USASG. So I'm wondering if I will opt to live the SB life going forward if I divorce someday? I know some of you are single and seem to be fulfilled by your SBs, yet you don't incur the huge financial penalty if you want to call it quits. Just musing.
My AA HCB flake who "couldn't do it " when I was outside her dorm to pick her up last week texted last night "if you want to have sex with me I need $500 first" Ha! So she is a reluctant flaky, GPS Garden Tool. I countered with $1. 50 and did not hear back. Everyone has their price. $500 will not be my price for Uma Thurman ___wweeeelll, I lied. I'd go $1000 for her. She'll probably be back when she realizes no one is going to give her that PPO for a hit and run. She is essentially an UTR who does not want a "relationship " but just a quick pay day.
My New ATF HCB has stepped up. I floated the idea out there to see her more than one / week for the same $. She wants to so she is becoming more of a GF / SB I appreciate that she is not greedy and likes my company enough to see me for the company.
AM SDM want to be has either flaked or is waiting until I finish studying my new S&M literature.
SDFM HCB who flaked after Text sex has been nibbling on the line again, but I haven't been able to get her to a M&G. Time will tell there.
HollywoodGuy
04-13-13, 00:45
These are good tips to maintain security. It's amazing how far we have come in the last few years.
Re email: go directly to the email host server to use your clandestine email and don't keep copies of emails on your computer. Watch out for the Petraeus problem. Its probably even better to use anonymous accounts. For one such, which I haven't tried, see:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/tutorial-how-create-anonymous-email-acc
Re computer: study encryption methods, some are better than others. Encrypt any sb related files on your computer, like those pussy pix you took and love so much to look at when you're apart.
Re license plates: anyone solve this problem other than by renting a car or hiding your car?I like the way they do it in the bond flicks where the plate just rotates. Got to get one of those. Or in transporter where the guy has like 20 different ones in his garage
HollywoodGuy
04-13-13, 00:50
Is marriage a viable institution anymore? I read recently that 56% of children are born to unwed parents in the USA, so that is not the excuse. The thing is, when a relationship (marriage or otherwise) is good it can be really great, but when it sours, we log on to USASG. So I'm wondering if I will opt to live the SB life going forward if I divorce someday? I know some of you are single and seem to be fulfilled by your SBs, yet you don't incur the huge financial penalty if you want to call it quits. Just musing.
My AA HCB flake who "couldn't do it " when I was outside her dorm to pick her up last week texted last night "if you want to have sex with me I need $500 first" Ha! So she is a reluctant flaky, GPS Garden Tool. I countered with $1. 50 and did not hear back. Everyone has their price. $500 will not be my price for Uma Thurman ___wweeeelll, I lied. I'd go $1000 for her. She'll probably be back when she realizes no one is going to give her that PPO for a hit and run. She is essentially an UTR who does not want a "relationship " but just a quick pay day.
My New ATF HCB has stepped up. I floated the idea out there to see her more than one / week for the same $. She wants to so she is becoming more of a GF / SB I appreciate that she is not greedy and likes my company enough to see me for the company.
AM SDM want to be has either flaked or is waiting until I finish studying my new S&M literature.
SDFM HCB who flaked after Text sex has been nibbling on the line again, but I haven't been able to get her to a M&G. Time will tell there.Marriage is a legal contract and is good if you are wanting a family. Other than that I see no reason for it. Although you can marry more money in one day that you can earn in a lifetime. So if paris hilton is ready, I might be too.
What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey?1. Fuck the wife with the same frequency in the same old way.
2. Be mindful the wife's radar is always on. If anything happens to cause suspicion the radar goes on steroids and won't return to the normal setting. Anything we are ever asked to explain will never be explained to the wife's satisfaction. Her questions are statements telling us her thinking. Every question is a bad sign she is adding something up.
3. Our electronic media is our undoing.
4. Never admit to anything.
I'll just add that a gym membership is your best friend. And get a gym membership which has multiple locations if possible. Not only does the gym give you some regular "off-the-grid" time (I always leave my phone in the locker when I'm working out) but you have a reliable place to shower if necessary. It also doesn't set off alarm bells when you're packing a change of clothes with you and leaving the house with a travel bag. In your gym / travel bag always carry the exact same soap and shampoo. This way your FC visit can very easily mimic a gym workout. Women are very sensitive to smells, so if you use the same soap and shampoo at the FC as you would the gym, then to the SO you'll smell like you just came from the gym.I do this, except I hadn't thought about using the same soap at home. Good idea. Actually I have multiple sets of exactly the same clothes and often carry a duplicate set in the gym bag to change into after the "workout." I also always have a plastic garbage bag in the gym bag to carry the clothes that were present in the FC. It contains their smell until I can get them washed. Some times I've just thrown away a set of clothes in the bag. Underwear in particular of course, but just one of those long single strands of beautiful hair left on your shirt can change your life forever. If you let your SO do your laundry, you'd better get your gym clothes sweaty after a "workout" before she handles them.
Today's baby below (image 123) in bra garter set.Very pretty girl. Thanks for the pix. Congratulations.
she suggested a nearby motel. 23 yrs old 5'4" 120 lbs and hot. I knew she was only available time wise for a one pop meeting. Very fun.So how do you manage discretion with such a short motel visit? Cash and no I'd required? Maybe I'm paranoid, but the thought of leaving behind footprints with my real name and address around at motels makes me squeamish.
I don't regularly travel so I don't have that cover story to hide behind.
Here is the latest. A pretty damn good week.
REVVOATF, My little raven haired MILF is going strong. She is such a pleasant breath of fresh air. We can only meet about once a week. Two at the most. But when we do it is heaven. She is completely available to me. When we are together. She has a busy life with a small child, no father in the picture. Does get support. And has a job but is in debt and hurting for money. I honestly feel bad for her. And she is not asking me for extra cash. And I want to help. But I do not want to set a precedent. This baby has lived on the top before her divorce so she knows what it is like. But she makes do. Maybe I will give her a little something extra just to help her out. Don't know yet. Sexy and gorgeous. I will rate her as a 9 head 8 body, and 10 attitude. It is amazing to say but she treats me so well. She can't keep her hands off of me. I am startled sometimes by it. She has said things to me nice things sexy things, that I have never heard from my wife in over 17 years of marriage. What kind of a fucking world do we live in guys? That this is how things are. If I could spend all of my time with her I would. But I live in another city and we have separate lives. So I have more babies to help out with the other days. I honestly was only trying to round out a list of baby's I could call on for back up. Or to have a bench but it has blossomed.
REVVOSB2, My little asian fortune cookie. Sweet as can be. Eager to please and never shy about getting down to business. She is looking for ways to fuck me that I have not done yet. We are working on a list. She is only in town every other week because of her job. She works for one of the pharmaceutical firms and travels to NY. I am going to see her on Monday for our next visit. She wants to meet right after she gets off the plane so we can get to it. Since she will have to pick up her son later in the day. So get down we will. She is a little hard to raise on text. But when she is on she is very responsive. Milfs with kids and job, are a lot more busy, part of the package. I will have a better report on her later this week. But all systems are go. She did a lot of modeling in her younger years she is 26yo 9 head 8 body, and 0 attitude. So I want to get some more of her professional pics.
REVVOPOT1, This baby is divorced and 28 YO white from somewhere in the Mediterranean. Lives in the same city as ATF. Absolutely gorgeous. I swear I am not that picky but I have a bench of all hotties right now. She is a 10 head 10 body, and about 7. 5 on attitude so far. But I learned something about her and others like her. You cannot be too good to them. It will ruin them if they stick around, but many times they will bolt if you are too good also. Got to be cocky and throw a little attitude back at her and accept no bad behavior. But not too much attitude. It is a balancing act. She sent me a picture with just her bra and panties, and pumps on. Shot from behind. She is standing on a balcony looking out. It almost brought a tear to my eye it was so perfect. This ass was fucking awesome. And she has that natural gap between her legs with the light from the outdoors shining through it. OMG I almost died. Anyway still working on her. But she is ready to meet and is good with a very fair price, $$ for a 10 I will be in heaven if I tap this.
REVVOPOT2, Another one that fell into my lap. Very new to the sugar bowl. 20 YO Latina, fine fine fine, and she is the worst looking of the four! I would rate her at a 8 head 8 body, and 7 attitude. Just because I am not sure of her yet. But I think she can be developed into some first string talent. We are set to meet on Monday. Strategy wise I have been trying to make contact with the new ones early on like Hollywood recommends. Then if they strike an attitude I just let them spend a couple of weeks trying to wade through the male debris that is in the sugar bowl. Then come back to them and see if they want to give it a try again. I did this with both of these POTs. And it seems to be working. They kind of understand how tough it can be out there. She is a college student very intelligent and has a very sexy body. Says she is open minded. Well I am going to open her mind some more and everything else. He he he. All kidding aside one of the things I have been told by all of these babies is that they get really creeped out by a lot of these men in and out of the sugar bowl and it really turns them off. I ask them about it and it is hard for them to explain. But the one thing I have noticed is that it seems like so many of these guys are just trying to get something from them. And the men are so needy. And the babies sense it. And they hate it.
Anyway that is where I am at for now. More reports to come. This should be a very busy week. Wifey is still kind of checking up on me. But I am following the advice on here and flying so low that my wheels are skimming off of the treetops. She is buying it. But she is still watching me.
Be careful out there,
Revvo
Hollywood is right. Marriage as far as I can see has only one real reason. And that is for kids. Or maybe companionship when you are really old and rely on each other before you die.
In fact let me add to the statistics. I have a friend who is a shrink and I asked him about this. The rate of infidelity in the US is 80% this is astounding! That means that if you are in a group of 5 married people 4 have or will cheat! Also if a man cheats, women take them back 95% of the time. If a woman cheats men take them back 5% of the time.
What in the fuck are we doing to ourselves in this society? It does not have to be like this. Lots of people say that over 50% of marriages end in divorce and that makes it a failed institution. Well I believe that if you include the 80% cheating rate, then we truly are suffering through many failed arrangements. I am in what I consider a failed marriage ever since I first cheated.
But I cannot leave. It would be too much for my kids and it would cost me at least half of my net worth and income. And I live in a husband friendly state. So I ask again. What are we doing to ourselves. I am just as guilty as anyone else. I don't hate my wife. I am not leaving my wife. I am not going to make my kids suffer for my mistakes. So I cheat. And try to spend a little quality time in the sugar bowl. With my very willing accomplices. There has got to be a better way.
What kind of false bullshit have we set up for ourselves and our own kids? I have a son and a daughter and I fear for their success in this deck that is stacked against their own internal human nature. I for one will be counseling them on this when the time comes. So I can try to help them avoid some of these mistakes.
Sorry for the rant,
Revvo
So how do you manage discretion with such a short motel visit? Cash and no I'd required? Maybe I'm paranoid, but the thought of leaving behind footprints with my real name and address around at motels makes me squeamish.
I don't regularly travel so I don't have that cover story to hide behind.F Scott's a resident expert on this topic walrus. You might want to read his past posts or try him on the back channel (pm).
So how do you manage discretion with such a short motel visit? Cash and no I'd required? Maybe I'm paranoid, but the thought of leaving behind footprints with my real name and address around at motels makes me squeamish.Short answer: you don't. There isn't a hotel or motel, at least not that you'd actually *want* to go to, that won't ask for the ID of the person renting the room. This is so that they can recover if you trash the room or manage to leave withou paying. The ones that don't require ID are also the ones with trashed rooms and unchanged sheets.
I don't regularly travel so I don't have that cover story to hide behind.Like others have said, join a gym or poker club or something that let's you get away.
I'm in a somewhat different position than most of you in that I don't have to take such measures to hide from my wife, and the kids are easier to fool, so this hasn't been as important to me, which may make my knowledge less than complete.
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John G Smith
04-14-13, 06:15
I do this, except I hadn't thought about using the same soap at home. Good idea. Actually I have multiple sets of exactly the same clothes and often carry a duplicate set in the gym bag to change into after the "workout." I also always have a plastic garbage bag in the gym bag to carry the clothes that were present in the FC. It contains their smell until I can get them washed. Some times I've just thrown away a set of clothes in the bag. Underwear in particular of course, but just one of those long single strands of beautiful hair left on your shirt can change your life forever. If you let your SO do your laundry, you'd better get your gym clothes sweaty after a "workout" before she handles them.I also use a plastic bag to hold my dirty / sweaty clothes from the gym. I get pretty funky when I workout so thankfully my SO no longer sniffs too hard on the clothes. If the clothes appear wet in the plastic bag, she usually holds it with her tippy fingers far away from her nose. So when I go to the FC, I get a wet towel and wrap my underwear and gym clothes in it. I layer it so the wet towel is sitting on top of my gym clothes in the plastic bag, so everything is wet like a normal workout. Also my SO may not actually wash the clothes for a couple of days, by then the wet clothes will smell a bit funky even without my actual sweat. And on few occasions, I've actually done some pushups and sit ups in the FC to break a light sweat with my gym clothes.
But I don't do sexual activities with my SB using my gym clothes. I keep my gym clothes and "post-workout" clothes completely separate, so I can avoid the "long single strand of hair" getting stuck on them. So I usually have four sets of clothes. 1) The clothes I leave the house with. 2) the clothes I use when I'm touching my SB (might just be an under-shirt and underwear 3) my gym clothes which I'll need to simulate a workout with 4) my post-workout clothes that I return home with. The SO is used to seeing clothes 1, 3 and 4. It's just #2 that I have to be careful with.
Sometimes I scare myself with the level of deception I do.
John G Smith
04-14-13, 06:33
But I cannot leave. It would be too much for my kids and it would cost me at least half of my net worth and income. And I live in a husband friendly state. So I ask again. What are we doing to ourselves. I am just as guilty as anyone else. I don't hate my wife. I am not leaving my wife. I am not going to make my kids suffer for my mistakes. So I cheat. And try to spend a little quality time in the sugar bowl. With my very willing accomplices. There has got to be a better way.Things aren't going the greatest with me and the SO. But I most likely won't leave her for exactly those same reasons. I don't want to lose half of my net worth and I don't want to create a broken home for the kids. I'm using the sugar bowl to basically help me keep my sanity. And honestly, I'm getting spoiled banging 20 something college girls. My wife has let herself go physically. But the sugar bowl is like stepping into a time machine and I can have sex with young tight-bodied college girls who are open sexually. It's like a drug.
I think our society would be better if it was acceptable for a man to take on a mistress and to also make prostitution legal.
What kind of false bullshit have we set up for ourselves and our own kids? I have a son and a daughter and I fear for their success in this deck that is stacked against their own internal human nature. I for one will be counseling them on this when the time comes. So I can try to help them avoid some of these mistakes.
RevvoRev, I agonize over this all the time, even on the way to the FC. Sad, but true. I have two questions for you.
1) What are you going to tell your kids? Don't get married? Make sure you love their spouses? We all do want to be with our wives until we don't. Is it a character flaw or are we victims of our biology? (Sorry. 3? S in 1)
2) What is your monthly budget for hobbying?
I have cut back from $2000 to $1000 / month plus extras. My SO is suspicious so I have to be extra careful. My HCGs are costing me about $250 / meeting so it limits me to essentially one, which is not enough. I am working on "free" sperm recipients like from AM but they are hard duty to line up.
Family credit card use should be limited.
I charge gas on the family account and found out the hard way that my SO watches the charges on line in real time. We have kids and are watching cash flow, but she asked me why I was using so much gas. Oops. All of my SBs are 60 to 90 miles away so my gas use is way up. I took the car in to get "tuned up " because a poorly tuned engine increases gas use. Now I alternate fill ups with my business account.
I'm getting spoiled banging 20 something college girls. It's like a drug.You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.
My SO has discovered my habit and is amazingly willing to work with me to get me" help " As said before, many wives want to preserve the family integrity and will go a long way to support their husband as long as he is working on his addiction. As a result of this I am seeing a zillion therapists, sex addiction specialists, who state there is a huge number of guys like us who just can't keep our dicks in our pants. The only difference between us and chemical addicts is that we are not physically damaging our bodies, but the same pathways in the brain are stimulated and imprinted by this adrenaline, cortisol, and oxytocin generating behavior.
So we start off with a little "playing around ". What harm could it do? Well here's what happens. There is SO much stimulation by a 60 yr old banging a 20 yr old that we get a rush of hormones that flood our brain bringing this intense sense of well being and happiness (Dopamine, Seratonin, and Norepinephrine) There are few things in a normal life that cause this much reaction. But when the chemical flood wears off we need more and more. And what is there not to love about having sex with a 20 yr old? A 50 yr old wife, even an attractive one, could never compete. So we set them up for failure.
The end result will be one of two things.
You will not get addicted and limit your play discretely to a low level bang and run, or
You will push the envelope needing to see more and more babies in spite of the consequences and eventually will get caught.
I am separated, getting counseling, and still can not get over the need to bed young girls. I am an addict.
Good Work Revvo, keep it up!
I had a string where I was meeting some real hotties, it's like being MJ or Tiger in the zone, I just love it.
Here is the latest. A pretty damn good week.
REVVOATF, My little raven haired MILF is going strong. She is such a pleasant breath of fresh air. We can only meet about once a week. Two at the most. But when we do it is heaven. She is completely available to me. When we are together. She has a busy life with a small child, no father in the picture. Does get support. And has a job but is in debt and hurting for money. I honestly feel bad for her. And she is not asking me for extra cash. And I want to help. But I do not want to set a precedent. This baby has lived on the top before her divorce so she knows what it is like. But she makes do. Maybe I will give her a little something extra just to help her out. Don't know yet. Sexy and gorgeous. I will rate her as a 9 head 8 body, and 10 attitude. It is amazing to say but she treats me so well. She can't keep her hands off of me. I am startled sometimes by it. She has said things to me nice things sexy things, that I have never heard from my wife in over 17 years of marriage. What kind of a fucking world do we live in guys? That this is how things are. If I could spend all of my time with her I would. But I live in another city and we have separate lives. So I have more babies to help out with the other days. I honestly was only trying to round out a list of baby's I could call on for back up. Or to have a bench but it has blossomed.
REVVOSB2, My little asian fortune cookie. Sweet as can be. Eager to please and never shy about getting down to business. She is looking for ways to fuck me that I have not done yet. We are working on a list. She is only in town every other week because of her job. She works for one of the pharmaceutical firms and travels to NY. I am going to see her on Monday for our next visit. She wants to meet right after she gets off the plane so we can get to it. Since she will have to pick up her son later in the day. So get down we will. She is a little hard to raise on text. But when she is on she is very responsive. Milfs with kids and job, are a lot more busy, part of the package. I will have a better report on her later this week. But all systems are go. She did a lot of modeling in her younger years she is 26yo 9 head 8 body, and 0 attitude. So I want to get some more of her professional pics.
REVVOPOT1, This baby is divorced and 28 YO white from somewhere in the Mediterranean. Lives in the same city as ATF. Absolutely gorgeous. I swear I am not that picky but I have a bench of all hotties right now. She is a 10 head 10 body, and about 7. 5 on attitude so far. But I learned something about her and others like her. You cannot be too good to them. It will ruin them if they stick around, but many times they will bolt if you are too good also. Got to be cocky and throw a little attitude back at her and accept no bad behavior. But not too much attitude. It is a balancing act. She sent me a picture with just her bra and panties, and pumps on. Shot from behind. She is standing on a balcony looking out. It almost brought a tear to my eye it was so perfect. This ass was fucking awesome. And she has that natural gap between her legs with the light from the outdoors shining through it. OMG I almost died. Anyway still working on her. But she is ready to meet and is good with a very fair price, $$ for a 10 I will be in heaven if I tap this.
REVVOPOT2, Another one that fell into my lap. Very new to the sugar bowl. 20 YO Latina, fine fine fine, and she is the worst looking of the four! I would rate her at a 8 head 8 body, and 7 attitude. Just because I am not sure of her yet. But I think she can be developed into some first string talent. We are set to meet on Monday. Strategy wise I have been trying to make contact with the new ones early on like Hollywood recommends. Then if they strike an attitude I just let them spend a couple of weeks trying to wade through the male debris that is in the sugar bowl. Then come back to them and see if they want to give it a try again. I did this with both of these POTs. And it seems to be working. They kind of understand how tough it can be out there. She is a college student very intelligent and has a very sexy body. Says she is open minded. Well I am going to open her mind some more and everything else. He he he. All kidding aside one of the things I have been told by all of these babies is that they get really creeped out by a lot of these men in and out of the sugar bowl and it really turns them off. I ask them about it and it is hard for them to explain. But the one thing I have noticed is that it seems like so many of these guys are just trying to get something from them. And the men are so needy. And the babies sense it. And they hate it.
Anyway that is where I am at for now. More reports to come. This should be a very busy week. Wifey is still kind of checking up on me. But I am following the advice on here and flying so low that my wheels are skimming off of the treetops. She is buying it. But she is still watching me.
Be careful out there,
Revvo
Well Said. I completely agree.
"Hi. My name is BigTigger and I'm an addict".
You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.
My SO has discovered my habit and is amazingly willing to work with me to get me" help " As said before, many wives want to preserve the family integrity and will go a long way to support their husband as long as he is working on his addiction. As a result of this I am seeing a zillion therapists, sex addiction specialists, who state there is a huge number of guys like us who just can't keep our dicks in our pants. The only difference between us and chemical addicts is that we are not physically damaging our bodies, but the same pathways in the brain are stimulated and imprinted by this adrenaline, cortisol, and oxytocin generating behavior.
So we start off with a little "playing around ". What harm could it do? Well here's what happens. There is SO much stimulation by a 60 yr old banging a 20 yr old that we get a rush of hormones that flood our brain bringing this intense sense of well being and happiness (Dopamine, Seratonin, and Norepinephrine) There are few things in a normal life that cause this much reaction. But when the chemical flood wears off we need more and more. And what is there not to love about having sex with a 20 yr old? A 50 yr old wife, even an attractive one, could never compete. So we set them up for failure.
The end result will be one of two things.
You will not get addicted and limit your play discretely to a low level bang and run, or
You will push the envelope needing to see more and more babies in spite of the consequences and eventually will get caught.
I am separated, getting counseling, and still can not get over the need to bed young girls. I am an addict.
Seadog1000
04-14-13, 09:30
Hernando. I'm sorry you're seperated. We are all here for you, one big support group. Helping you understand its ok for you to want to bang young chicks. You aren't making them do it, they want to. You're helping them out. The younger ones I'm with like an older, established man who has money to spend on them. You're doing a good thing helping them out. Don't be a quitter, we need you on our wall.
Sea Out
You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.
My SO has discovered my habit and is amazingly willing to work with me to get me" help " As said before, many wives want to preserve the family integrity and will go a long way to support their husband as long as he is working on his addiction. As a result of this I am seeing a zillion therapists, sex addiction specialists, who state there is a huge number of guys like us who just can't keep our dicks in our pants. The only difference between us and chemical addicts is that we are not physically damaging our bodies, but the same pathways in the brain are stimulated and imprinted by this adrenaline, cortisol, and oxytocin generating behavior.
So we start off with a little "playing around ". What harm could it do? Well here's what happens. There is SO much stimulation by a 60 yr old banging a 20 yr old that we get a rush of hormones that flood our brain bringing this intense sense of well being and happiness (Dopamine, Seratonin, and Norepinephrine) There are few things in a normal life that cause this much reaction. But when the chemical flood wears off we need more and more. And what is there not to love about having sex with a 20 yr old? A 50 yr old wife, even an attractive one, could never compete. So we set them up for failure.
The end result will be one of two things.
You will not get addicted and limit your play discretely to a low level bang and run, or
You will push the envelope needing to see more and more babies in spite of the consequences and eventually will get caught.
I am separated, getting counseling, and still can not get over the need to bed young girls. I am an addict.
Ah shit! Everybody getting sprung on the Kat. It's an epidemic!
Will young pussy be the ruin of all mankind? Nah! Just the horny ones like us!
P. S. Not a addict yet. But making it a point to abuse the pussy as much as possible.
I was told by my best friend. That I am addicted to this shit. He is the only one I have told other than the fine folks on here.
He by the way has, been married three times, fucked everything that moves, and is a reformed alcoholic. He works in the highest levels of law enforcement where 75% of their work revolves around the drug trade. So he knows a thing or two about addiction. But I honestly don't believe him.
I think our society calling what we do. Which is wanting to be with a lot of beautiful, young, highly sexual women deviant, addictive, or perverted behavior. Is complete and total bullshit!
Really? If you can find a man that is honest about what he is feeling he will tell you that he thinks about the poontang every day. I go back to the 80% statistic. You think that that many people are risking so much just for a little fun? Or that many people are deviant? Here's a crazy thought. Maybe it is the 20% that are deviant? At least that is the way I understood my college stat class.
I firmly believe that sex to a man is one of his fundamental sources of happiness. And we basically have a society that takes that away from us. Of course we are going to have all kinds of crazy things going on. Something is wrong here and it is not me. Here is the facts: men were built and programmed to have sex with as many women as they can. And no amount of social programming, religious training, or pop-psychology is going to change that. This is in our lizard brain and it is not going to stop.
You can fight it and suffer. You can accept it and find a way to get a little joy from it. Or maybe not get married (too late for me on that one). But if you deny it. You are now telling the worst kind of lie the one you tell yourself.
I choose to accept it, and tell the relatively small lies to my wife and society to maintain some brief shining moments of sanity to my otherwise boring existence. Let me ask you all a question.
What is the difference between Tiger Woods, or Kobe Bryant, or Mick Jagger and us? When it comes to chasing and fucking beautiful young women? They have the money and fame to do it anytime they want! That's it. Think of the 80% stat if we all had access to the pussy any time we wanted. It would easily be 100. There is an old interview on MTV with David Lee Roth of VanHalen, back when he could and would do drugs. It goes something like this:
Interviewer: "We want to ask you about your drug problem."
David Lee Roth: "Nah man. I ain't got a drug problem. Now back when I was poor I had a drug problem. Now that I got money. No drug problem".
The point is it was the access. That was the problem. Drugs is not pussy. And one we were made to have the other will fuck up your life. But I think you see my point.
Does this solve anything. Nah. I can't change society. But I do sleep a little better at night. Knowing that I am not some sort of evil deviant pervert. Know yourself my friends.
I look at the guys on here at some level kind of like between the Tiger Woods of the world and the average "normal" eunuchs of our society. We are kind of living out our biological prerogative. Only we do not get it handed to us. We have to go out there and chase it down.
Oops another rant.
Lets be careful out there.
Revvo
Really? If you can find a man that is honest about what he is feeling he will tell you that he thinks about the poontang every day. I go back to the 80% statistic. You think that that many people are risking so much just for a little fun? Or that many people are deviant? Here's a crazy thought. Maybe it is the 20% that are deviant? At least that is the way I understood my college stat class.Saying that I'm addicted to sex is like saying I'm addicted to food. Yeah, I could get by on hamburger or masturbation every day, but why the fuck would I want to? If I can't have sex when I want and with whom I want, consensually of course, then I might as well die. Especially since it ain't hurting anybody, much less me.
The discussion about so-called sex "addiction" should really be about "why the fuck are you so interested in who I'm fucking, you god-damned, self-righteous, arrogant, perverted fucktard?"
/z
John G Smith
04-14-13, 19:12
As they say, a man is only as faithful as his options.
If you have money, the means, and access to women, the vast majority of men will take advantage of it.
Not to toot our own horns in this forum, while we may not be multi-million dollar sugar daddies, we are guys with some money. The majority of us are spending a minimum of $1000 a month on our Sugar Bowl activities (when you include all the costs involved). Even with all the knowledge and experience available on this forum, you still need enough money to ante up to get yourself in the sugar game. I'm guessing most guys here are probably spending between 12-24K per year on their sugar activities, so if you're making 30-40K annually, sugar babies aren't really an option unless you just see one with a really low CPO.
The sugar daddy sites are giving us the access.
And technology is giving us the means to be discreet (burner phones, google voice, visa gift cards, and etc).
These things are allowing us to follow our ingrained instincts to spread our seed as much as possible, more so than Joe Blow who may not have the money or the means. Doesn't make us more "evil" than Joe Blow, we just have more options. And guys like Tiger Woods are several magnitudes above us in terms of options, but fundamentally we're all basically the same.
I don't know if you call it an addiction or what, but something definitely happens when you get a steady diet of fresh young pootang. It becomes harder to eat the same bland porridge everyday even if it gets the job done. Pretty soon you only want freshly squeezed pootang. And you might end up doing stupid things or take unnecessary risks to get it. Is it an addiction or diet change, I'll let you decide.
As for kids, that's the only flaw with man's desire to bang as many women as possible. Kids do best with both a strong male and female (or dual parent if you want to be PC) presence in the household. So it makes sense why women in general instinctually want to attach themselves to a single man to look after their offspring. I think though a more natural arrangement for man would be similar to a Lion Pride or a polygamous marriage. A man can have as many women and children as he can support or protect. So it wouldn't be about trying to tie down a man into a monogamous relationship which just goes against our natural behavior. But it would be about making sure a man takes care of his responsibilities whatever they may be.
"why the fuck are you so interested in who I'm fucking, you god-damned, self-righteous, arrogant, perverted fucktard?"
/zAmen brother. Hahaha. Pun intended!
Revvo
HollywoodGuy
04-14-13, 20:06
My definition of an addict any addict, is when the addiction becomes more important than the daily routines of life that most of us must persue to be a so-called responsible and productive individual or member of society. Is your gas bill late because you spent it on a ho? Did you call in late for work because you were cruising some track at 3 am the night before? Is your marraige in shambles due to calls coming in at odd hours and unexplained blond hairs in the car? Do you feel beat up or are you damaged physically in some way due to excessive sex?
I say if you do your job, take care of your family responsibilities, maintain your health with diet and exercise and regular trips to the dr, then however much sex you have or spend time looking for is a hobby. Can you be addicted to your hobby? I have friends that spend as much or more time and money on fishing than some of us do on pussy.
But since the beginning of time sex, power and money have been the biggest motivators for man to be a success. I don't care much for power only in as much as it helps me to maintain the iconoclastic and eclectic california lifestyle I so enjoy. And yes I am a workoholic. I love money and the things it can buy. So am I an addict or just passionate about the things I love?
And to all the player haters out there (and hopefully there are none in here)... nana nana nana. LOL
As they say, a man is only as faithful as his options.
If you have money, the means, and access to women, the vast majority of men will take advantage of it.
The sugar daddy sites are giving us the access.
And technology is giving us the means to be discreet (burner phones, google voice, visa gift cards, and etc).
I don't know if you call it an addiction or what, but something definitely happens when you get a steady diet of fresh young pootang. It becomes harder to eat the same bland porridge everyday even if it gets the job done. Pretty soon you only want freshly squeezed pootang.Having just spent the entire day holed up in a hotel with a Shiny New Baby yesterday, I agree that once you have fucked a twenty-something or two, there is no going back. This gorgeous baby's skin was flawless, and her body is close to perfect. Why in the world would any sane man want to settle for anything less, given the fact that he has, as you say, access to the fresh poontang? Since I started playing in the Bowl, I've fucked babies hotter than I would ever have had the courage to approach when I was their age! It continually amazes me that this world exists, and that there seems to be an unending supply of new babies every day! What a world!
Scheduled for an overnight with SNB on Thursday at another chic hotel (Hotels. Com is my new best friend) , and a romp with a tall, artistic redhead at her place (hooray for me) on Wednesday. Life is good.
Scott
West Central
04-14-13, 20:55
1. Fuck the wife with the same frequency in the same old way.I don't have this problem anymore, but it was damn difficult when I did."Pace yourself" is my only advice there.
3. Our electronic media is our undoing.Quite true, and it even goes back to the "paper trail" from before email and cell phones. Pay cash for everything hobby- or sugar-related. Discard receipts safely. Don't keep phone cards or slips of paper in your wallet or coat pocket. Establish a cleansing routine, and don't stray from it.
In short, don't fuck up.
West Central
04-14-13, 21:01
You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion. A natural compulsion, wherein our animal instincts demand we spread our seed as far and wide as possible, to strengthen our bloodline and have the highest chance of survivable offspring and, eventually, world domination. Of course I've been accused of being full of shit before.
I'm thinking of purchasing a rental FC on a lease. I'm talking about an apartment not a hotel. Anyone know what to be cautious of to avoid having it tie back to you on public records or your credit report? My list so far is:
1. Utilities under someone else's name.
2. Obviously no personal mail to that address.
I'm not sure if a lease agreement by itself goes into public record but I doubt it would. Am I missing anything else?
TreasureHunter
04-15-13, 02:54
I couldn't agree more. I'm a single man and I can't see myself getting married now. This game has spoiled me to the utmost. I love every part of it the from the chase to the kill!
Robespiere
04-15-13, 08:43
I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion. A natural compulsion, wherein our animal instincts demand we spread our seed as far and wide as possible, to strengthen our bloodline and have the highest chance of survivable offspring and, eventually, world domination. Of course I've been accused of being full of shit before."World domination". Yeah man. That's it. It almost sounds patriotic. Damn straight, I am a loyal American, therefore I monger. Great logic! There was a famous case when some amateur mongers were taken to trial over some of their antics, and this is how they handled it. I think we can all learn something from this. Here is the clip: Take special notice around 1:00 minutes into the trial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw
PartyTimeGuy
04-15-13, 09:29
Here is the latest. A pretty damn good week.
REVVOATF, My little raven haired MILF is going strong. She is such a pleasant breath of fresh air. We can only meet about once a week. Two at the most. But when we do it is heaven. She is completely available to me. When we are together. She has a busy life with a small child, no father in the picture. Does get support. And has a job but is in debt and hurting for money. I honestly feel bad for her. And she is not asking me for extra cash. And I want to help. But I do not want to set a precedent. This baby has lived on the top before her divorce so she knows what it is like. But she makes do. Maybe I will give her a little something extra just to help her out. Don't know yet. Sexy and gorgeous. I will rate her as a 9 head 8 body, and 10 attitude. It is amazing to say but she treats me so well. She can't keep her hands off of me. I am startled sometimes by it. She has said things to me nice things sexy things, that I have never heard from my wife in over 17 years of marriage. What kind of a fucking world do we live in guys? That this is how things are. If I could spend all of my time with her I would. But I live in another city and we have separate lives. So I have more babies to help out with the other days. I honestly was only trying to round out a list of baby's I could call on for back up. Or to have a bench but it has blossomed.
REVVOSB2, My little asian fortune cookie. Sweet as can be. Eager to please and never shy about getting down to business. She is looking for ways to fuck me that I have not done yet. We are working on a list. She is only in town every other week because of her job. She works for one of the pharmaceutical firms and travels to NY. I am going to see her on Monday for our next visit. She wants to meet right after she gets off the plane so we can get to it. Since she will have to pick up her son later in the day. So get down we will. She is a little hard to raise on text. But when she is on she is very responsive. Milfs with kids and job, are a lot more busy, part of the package. I will have a better report on her later this week. But all systems are go. She did a lot of modeling in her younger years she is 26yo 9 head 8 body, and 0 attitude. So I want to get some more of her professional pics.
REVVOPOT1, This baby is divorced and 28 YO white from somewhere in the Mediterranean. Lives in the same city as ATF. Absolutely gorgeous. I swear I am not that picky but I have a bench of all hotties right now. She is a 10 head 10 body, and about 7. 5 on attitude so far. But I learned something about her and others like her. You cannot be too good to them. It will ruin them if they stick around, but many times they will bolt if you are too good also. Got to be cocky and throw a little attitude back at her and accept no bad behavior. But not too much attitude. It is a balancing act. She sent me a picture with just her bra and panties, and pumps on. Shot from behind. She is standing on a balcony looking out. It almost brought a tear to my eye it was so perfect. This ass was fucking awesome. And she has that natural gap between her legs with the light from the outdoors shining through it. OMG I almost died. Anyway still working on her. But she is ready to meet and is good with a very fair price, $$ for a 10 I will be in heaven if I tap this.
REVVOPOT2, Another one that fell into my lap. Very new to the sugar bowl. 20 YO Latina, fine fine fine, and she is the worst looking of the four! I would rate her at a 8 head 8 body, and 7 attitude. Just because I am not sure of her yet. But I think she can be developed into some first string talent. We are set to meet on Monday. Strategy wise I have been trying to make contact with the new ones early on like Hollywood recommends. Then if they strike an attitude I just let them spend a couple of weeks trying to wade through the male debris that is in the sugar bowl. Then come back to them and see if they want to give it a try again. I did this with both of these POTs. And it seems to be working. They kind of understand how tough it can be out there. She is a college student very intelligent and has a very sexy body. Says she is open minded. Well I am going to open her mind some more and everything else. He he he. All kidding aside one of the things I have been told by all of these babies is that they get really creeped out by a lot of these men in and out of the sugar bowl and it really turns them off. I ask them about it and it is hard for them to explain. But the one thing I have noticed is that it seems like so many of these guys are just trying to get something from them. And the men are so needy. And the babies sense it. And they hate it.
Anyway that is where I am at for now. More reports to come. This should be a very busy week. Wifey is still kind of checking up on me. But I am following the advice on here and flying so low that my wheels are skimming off of the treetops. She is buying it. But she is still watching me.
Be careful out there,
RevvoSeems like you got it going on. IMHO the attitude and skill or its potential of a SB trumps looks as long as there is some reasonable amount of attraction. 10s are nice but they usually come with a tude that the world owes them something. But if you can get looks, skills and attitude all together in one package then you hit the SB trifecta.
I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion.I am compelled my brothers! My mission in life is to spread my seed far and wide! It is staggering how many of these HCBs (and all the rest of womanhood) are willing to sell themselves and their assets to the highest, or at least, the least unattractive highest bidder. The prize goes to the man with the most gelt.
Speaking of which, my HCB ATF SB is progressing nicely. Money is not front and center with her and she looks at me as a BF, wanting to introduce me to her circle of friends. This is good and bad. Since her FC is 90 miles away from ground zero I feel that it is unlikely that her circle will intersect with mine. But one never knows. This is that adrenaline surge that tweaks our nerves a little bit and makes the fucking later that much sweeter. I introduced her to a thundering orgasm last visit and discovered a few of her sweet spots to explore more this week. She might need a little spanking, so I will test the water there.
My former Ex regular HCB is still in the game. She likes my company even though she does not seem to be into sex, or sexually into me anyway. I approached her as a GF / BF option since I had to back off from a regular allowance and my new ATF is more sexually enjoyable. She tolerates sex so any load in a baby's pussy is good.
Having just spent the entire day holed up in a hotel with a Shiny New Baby yesterday, I agree that once you have fucked a twenty-something or two, there is no going back. This gorgeous baby's skin was flawless, and her body is close to perfect. Why in the world would any sane man want to settle for anything less, given the fact that he has, as you say, access to the fresh poontang? Since I started playing in the Bowl, I've fucked babies hotter than I would ever have had the courage to approach when I was their age! It continually amazes me that this world exists, and that there seems to be an unending supply of new babies every day! What a world!
Scheduled for an overnight with SNB on Thursday at another chic hotel (Hotels. Com is my new best friend) , and a romp with a tall, artistic redhead at her place (hooray for me) on Wednesday. Life is good.
ScottYou may like hotelguides dot com as well. The big difference is with this one you don't pay up front. You reserve and pay when you arrive. Usually you can cancel up to 24hrs before with no charge. So if plans fall through with SB you are not as stuck. Now you just have a hard on problem not a loss of money problem too.
Animal House, a classic American guide to understanding male behavior. Hoo Rah I say!
So those upstanding young men did not pay a cent for their Babies. So howw Do WE do it? Appeal to their sense of Motherhood and apple pie? To their duty to go forth and multiply. To assure that the protectors and progenitors of our Nation, yea our World, are well supported in our quest to protect and serve? Or all of the above? I feel a new profile "about me " taking shape We don't need money my men, we need America!
America Daddy for Me (About me) : An American Patriot looking for a dedicated woman who desires protection, respect, and household security. A man who has your back (and front) , who will keep your world safe from desperate men who would attempt to lure you to their bedchambers with money. Heaven forbid that heinous animal who thinks money can solve the world's problems. No! Just say NO! And write me right now. I WILL protect you and take care of those needs that only a Patriot knows you need taking care of. God Bless America My number is UP.
I'm thinking of purchasing a rental FC on a lease. I'm talking about an apartment not a hotel. Anyone know what to be cautious of to avoid having it tie back to you on public records or your credit report? My list so far is:
1. Utilities under someone else's name.
2. Obviously no personal mail to that address.
I'm not sure if a lease agreement by itself goes into public record but I doubt it would. Am I missing anything else?I've thought of this as well. Compared to hotel rooms several times a month, this could be a cheaper, and nicer option. I'm interested in the collective wisdon on this.
Scott
Well Said. I completely agree.
"Hi. My name is BigTigger and I'm an addict".I couldn't help it. I started literally laughing out loud.
About 2 months ago I was driving home thinking to myself what the hell is wrong with me? Now I know, thanks to all of you for all of your help!
I thought about going to rental option (basically having my own "fuck-apt"). But the cost (I am in San Diego) and the logistic do not make sense. Cost-wise, is more expensive in SD for rental than mid-class hotel (50-60 / night ones). Logistic-wise, too much paper trail and no good for me (I am married and want to keep it that way)
I tried to go to hotel for FC, and it is a hazard. (Checking price / location, credit card trail, . Etc). I am looking for SBs who they can host now, but this limits my pool significantly. .
I've thought of this as well. Compared to hotel rooms several times a month, this could be a cheaper, and nicer option. I'm interested in the collective wisdon on this.
Scott
Thanks guys for your comments re:my addiction / compulsion. I love it too much to give it up! Didn't you know that SA got it's name from "Sex Addicts "?
So, I tried the rental unit in a different way. I put a SB in an investment place I own in dog town expecting to visit her twice / week. We mapped out the expectations in detail, obviously not on paper. Rent I charge for the 2 BR house is $800 / month, so I figured CPO (one Orgasm / visit) at$ 92. 30. Not bad right?
Well, the reality was I had sex 0 times in the 6 mos it took to get her out of there. She came up with excuses at first which were believable ish, then I found out she had moved in with the recently paroled BF. Of course I was vulnerable to her potential attacks and she threatened me with exposure. I finally said "fuck it " and shut the water and power off. Now I'm getting $800 / mo to apply to my hobby.
Don't do it! I know renting a room makes economic sense but there is a paper trail and you ultimately are at the mercy of a potential felon. That was in my Nando 1 days, which I will never seek again, no matter how horny I get.
On a positive side, If you rent a rolling hotel room, at least it will be sterile and not have your personal papers in there anywhere. And you can stock it with refreshments, condoms, sex toys, and other paraphernalia necessary for the sex trade, and would keep them out of your car trunk, gym locker, or other places that could trip you up.
I'm thinking of purchasing a rental FC on a lease. I'm talking about an apartment not a hotel. Anyone know what to be cautious of to avoid having it tie back to you on public records or your credit report? My list so far is:
1. Utilities under someone else's name.
2. Obviously no personal mail to that address.
I'm not sure if a lease agreement by itself goes into public record but I doubt it would. Am I missing anything else?Just like a hotel room, I don't think anyone is going to rent you property, at least not a property you'd want to rent, without ID, a credit check and a background check. Credit checks can show up on your credit report, so be aware of that.
What you could try is one of those extended stay hotels, though; the per night cost for those is lower than most hotels, and they usually have kitchen facilities and sometimes more than one room.
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John G Smith
04-15-13, 17:43
On a positive side, If you rent a rolling hotel room, at least it will be sterile and not have your personal papers in there anywhere. And you can stock it with refreshments, condoms, sex toys, and other paraphernalia necessary for the sex trade, and would keep them out of your car trunk, gym locker, or other places that could trip you up.This is a pretty good suggestion! I've been also thinking about similar options like others here. Problem with a lease for an apartment, the credit check will show up on your credit report and usually they'll require deposits of the first and last month. You'll also need to pay utilities and possibly buy some basic furnishing. And then the SB also has a physical location to tie your real identity to. And if you decide to keep a full-time SB in your apartment, you'll have eviction and guest issues that Hernando experienced.
I just did a quick search, and quite a few 2 star hotels offer weekly and monthly rates. I found some motel 6's near my area for $42 a night over a month, $50 a night over a week. That comes to about $350 a week or $1200-1300 a month but that includes utilities and house-keeping. No credit checks. And you're not locked into a long-term lease. Also I bet if you called up a mom & pop motel you might be able to get a more competitive weekly or monthly rate. If I could find a place that would rent a room for $1000 a month or 250 a week, I might experiment with this for a month at some point. As Hernando said, aside from having a dedicated FC it's useful for storing your sex and sugar paraphernalia. The only downside is that my current SB is 90 miles away, so having a local rental FC would be mostly useless to me at the moment.
Member #4270
04-15-13, 18:19
This is a pretty good suggestion! I've been also thinking about similar options like others here. Problem with a lease for an apartment, the credit check will show up on your credit report and usually they'll require deposits of the first and last month. You'll also need to pay utilities and possibly buy some basic furnishing. And then the SB also has a physical location to tie your real identity to. And if you decide to keep a full-time SB in your apartment, you'll have eviction and guest issues that Hernando experienced.
I just did a quick search, and quite a few 2 star hotels offer weekly and monthly rates. I found some motel 6's near my area for $42 a night over a month, $50 a night over a week. That comes to about $350 a week or $1200-1300 a month but that includes utilities and house-keeping. No credit checks. And you're not locked into a long-term lease. Also I bet if you called up a mom & pop motel you might be able to get a more competitive weekly or monthly rate. If I could find a place that would rent a room for $1000 a month or 250 a week, I might experiment with this for a month at some point. As Hernando said, aside from having a dedicated FC it's useful for storing your sex and sugar paraphernalia. The only downside is that my current SB is 90 miles away, so having a local rental FC would be mostly useless to me at the moment.Well any ways. One answer to your dilemma is to have a single guy friend rent you his extra bedroom for your FC.
EuroInCincy
04-15-13, 21:03
Since her FC is 90 miles away from ground zero I feel that it is unlikely that her circle will intersect with mine. But one never knows. This is that adrenaline surge that tweaks our nerves a little bit and makes the fucking later that much sweeter.Officially 6 degrees of separation. Sure if you believe that. Taking a SB to a vacation getting of the plane after a 8 hour flight. On your way to customs. Your real name is being shouted. By. A family friend. Never knew he and his wife were going to this place.
Or standing in a bakery in another country with a SB. They hear your accent, ask where you are from. Surprise surprise. They know the person living down your street. And say. We are coming next week there. We'd like to invite you two to come for drinks.
Nice adrenaline rush!
TreasureHunter
04-16-13, 05:30
I too thought about the rental idea but I decided against because I wanted to leave no attachments. My fear was a baby from the past just showing up when I'm with another baby. Talk about a recipe for disaster. The idea was appealing to me mainly for quickie with babies, which brings me to my question.
1.) Most motel / hotels aren't hourly establishments, so how do you handle early checkouts when it's not an overnight?
2.) How do you answer the question from potential babies who ask why do we have to meet at a hotel? I've been asked this a couple of times and replied that it was due to the fact that we just meet and I wanted to establish a relationship before entertaining her at my home. The problem is that this is only a temporary excuse. How do you go about making them comfortable with meeting at a hotel long term? This is were the married guys have it easy.
Thank you for the help.
I thought about going to rental option (basically having my own "fuck-apt"). But the cost (I am in San Diego) and the logistic do not make sense. Cost-wise, is more expensive in SD for rental than mid-class hotel (50-60 / night ones). Logistic-wise, too much paper trail and no good for me (I am married and want to keep it that way)
I tried to go to hotel for FC, and it is a hazard. (Checking price / location, credit card trail, . Etc). I am looking for SBs who they can host now, but this limits my pool significantly. .I think a smartly rented apartment can be a huge money saver if you live in it. My main fear is the SB will be able to find my identity from where I live. If I legally reside "at a friend's place" (for my financials and all other purposes, including all my mail), I think I can rent the apartment without it ever tying back to me. The only document that ties me to the apartment is the lease agreement which I do not believe is public record.
This isn't a chump change savings-the FC is the 2nd biggest expense right after the sugar itself.
1.) Most motel / hotels aren't hourly establishments, so how do you handle early checkouts when it's not an overnight?
Thank you for the help.I handle this in one of three ways: if it is a motel, like a Motel 6, I just leave the key in the room and take off. I've never had an issue with getting a receipt in the mail or any other paper trail following me. If it's a nicer hotel, I either check out when I'm done, and if the person at the desk asks, I just say it was a get away for my wife and me for a couple of hours, and they are fine with that. I never check in with the baby, so they have no idea what my "wife" looks like. Again, if you make your reservation through Orbitz or Hotels. Com, there is no paper trail that the hotel sends you. A third option, which I have also done, is to just go back the next day and check out normally, as if I had spent the entire night there. The one thing to keep an eye out for is not to book a room at a chain that you have reward points with, as that will show up on a statement, and then you got some 'splainin' to do!
Lastly, when booking online, I use the baby's name as the registered guest, just in case. I've found that when I show up to check in, I say the room is "under the name XX", and since it's prepaid, they are fine with that. I just give them a cc for incidentals, and since there never are any, there aren't any issues with charges showing up later.
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Thanks,
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If I legally reside "at a friend's place" (for my financials and all other purposes, including all my mail), I think I can rent the apartment without it ever tying back to me.Why not just rent a PO box, either at the post office or a UPS Store or other similar place? I just rented one at a local UPS place, and I put my Sugar name on the address heading. They didn't seem to care, even though the rest of the contract had my real name and info on it. The gist of what the guy was telling me was that I could put whatever I wanted as the receiving information. I could pretend to be Robert Redford! Apparently they have seen this sort of thing before. I'm just wondering how many of my local brothers have boxes there!
The rest of the address reads like a regular street address, no box# or anything like that, so it is completely legit seeming. I have not yet fully fathomed how this can be used to my advantage in the Bowl, but I'm sure there are benefits that I just haven't thought of yet. Could I get a state id card with that address on it to use for hotel check-ins? I'd appreciate any infor or intel from a more experienced member of the club.
Attention: Scott out!
TreasureHunter
04-16-13, 21:27
I handle this in one of three ways: if it is a motel, like a Motel 6, I just leave the key in the room and take off. I've never had an issue with getting a receipt in the mail or any other paper trail following me. If it's a nicer hotel, I either check out when I'm done, and if the person at the desk asks, I just say it was a get away for my wife and me for a couple of hours, and they are fine with that. I never check in with the baby, so they have no idea what my "wife" looks like. Again, if you make your reservation through Orbitz or Hotels. Com, there is no paper trail that the hotel sends you. A third option, which I have also done, is to just go back the next day and check out normally, as if I had spent the entire night there. The one thing to keep an eye out for is not to book a room at a chain that you have reward points with, as that will show up on a statement, and then you got some 'splainin' to do!
Lastly, when booking online, I use the baby's name as the registered guest, just in case. I've found that when I show up to check in, I say the room is "under the name XX", and since it's prepaid, they are fine with that. I just give them a cc for incidentals, and since there never are any, there aren't any issues with charges showing up later.There's a lot of great information in this post.
Thank you.
Why not just rent a PO box, either at the post office or a UPS Store or other similar place? I just rented one at a local UPS place, and I put my Sugar name on the address heading. They didn't seem to care, even though the rest of the contract had my real name and info on it. The gist of what the guy was telling me was that I could put whatever I wanted as the receiving information. I could pretend to be Robert Redford! Apparently they have seen this sort of thing before. I'm just wondering how many of my local brothers have boxes there!
The rest of the address reads like a regular street address, no box# or anything like that, so it is completely legit seeming. I have not yet fully fathomed how this can be used to my advantage in the Bowl, but I'm sure there are benefits that I just haven't thought of yet. Could I get a state I'd card with that address on it to use for hotel check-ins? I'd appreciate any infor or intel from a more experienced member of the club.
Attention: Scott out!There is an issues with mailboxes: Any commercial mail establishment can not be used as a legal address. So if you still list your residence as your billing or residential address it could still become attached to your credit report (and the public information provider's databases).
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Ok, so I'm doing my normal all over the place SB search. I got 3 to 4 lined up over the next few days. Then based on the advice I saw on the board about hitting the babies as soon as they sign up, I started doing that.
So today, I run across this absolutely stunning young 21 hottie. She actually models part time, in school full time and loves sex. Sure. Right. Well she only has body pics online and she sends a few face pics to my email. And wow! So we chat on the phone immediately and setup a meet and greet for today! Wow. From email to date in less than 20 minutes. Most of the time I would think there is something fishy, so wish me luck. The monthly amount is very reasonable!
If this works out, I have about 3 to 4 others that I'll be putting on the back burner.
BigTigg
Member #5055
04-17-13, 13:06
All depends on how they have the address. Many commercial boxes will accept deliveries like this:
Suite 405.
1234 A Nice Road.
Great Town, WT 23142.
It is really a mail box. But does not look like it.
I have even done this to a real PO box in a post office. But it was a VERY rural small office. Not sure it would work in town!
There is an issues with mailboxes: Any commercial mail establishment can not be used as a legal address. So if you still list your residence as your billing or residential address it could still become attached to your credit report (and the public information provider's databases).
All depends on how they have the address. Many commercial boxes will accept deliveries like this:
Suite 405.
1234 A Nice Road.
Great Town, WT 23142.
It is really a mail box. But does not look like it.
I have even done this to a real PO box in a post office. But it was a VERY rural small office. Not sure it would work in town!This was my experience as well. The staff working at these places don't care what you write, if they even are paying attention at all.
As an aside, Windy, if you are looking for some situation that is 100% risk-free, I would humbly suggest that the Bowl is not for you. It is a risk / benefit analysis, and we all have our comfort ratios. The wisdom contained in the Clubhouse Journal has all been gained from hard experience, but no brother will tell you honestly that they are 100% bulletproof. There is always a chink in the armour. Your goal is to make it as small, and as hard to reach, as possible. Only Rosie is a sure bet.
Anything worth doing brings some measure of risk. The bold person minimizes what he can, then jumps anyway.
Scott
Well said Scott.
Reward is won through risk. The two cannot be completely separated. And this is from someone who has been burned badly.
But the reward can be pretty damned good.
Be careful out there.
Revvo
There's a lot of great information in this post.
Thank you.
Thanks TH,
To expand a bit, I always ask if I can check in early, since I mostly play during the day, and check-in time at nice hotels is ususally 3pm, which limits playtime since I am married and usually need to be locked in my cell by 7 at the latest. I have only encountered one situation where that was not possible, but you need to be forcefull and get through to the actual front desk person in order to make it happen. Early check-in allows me to get the room the way I like it, and any bevies, eatables or toys laid out just so. Trust me, the babies dig it!
It has been reported to me that the new iOS update has the ability to turn on iMessage to all devices that share the same apple ID. This means all messages sent from one device will appear on all other devices that share the same apple ID. And all messages received on the device will appear on other devices that share the apple ID. From a COMSEC perspective this could spell disaster for you should one of your devices be outside of your control while conducting "eyes only" messaging operations.
For example, I am often asked: "Why do you need your computer, iPad and iPhone all of the time. Can't I borrow your iPad for a moment?" A moment later you receive a communication from a (ahem)"Sugar Baby" on your phone while your wife is using your iPad. One week later your wife begins a conversation with: "Are you involved with any other women?" At which point there is NO good answer as she has already told you she knows by the question alone. She then advises that: "After my attorney gets done with you, you'll have blood dripping from your ass!". This is what is known my brothers as the classic "bad scene".
Don't wind up with blood dripping from your ass! Practice OPSEC. And keep your COMSEC tight!
All depends on how they have the address. Many commercial boxes will accept deliveries like this:
Suite 405.
1234 A Nice Road.
Great Town, WT 23142.
It is really a mail box. But does not look like it.
I have even done this to a real PO box in a post office. But it was a VERY rural small office. Not sure it would work in town!I don't understand why you guys are bringing up risk / reward here. Not to sound like a jerk but it doesn't apply to setting up a legal address correctly.
If your office was not registered as a commercial mail provider then I can see the above tactic working. But any mailbox place that's registered will not work for receiving documents as the legal address. Try it at a bank and see what happens (I have, and the banker told me my address with Apt #55 was mailbox and could only be used as the mailing address, not the legal)
Blak Casper
04-18-13, 12:54
It has been reported to me that the new iOS update has the ability to turn on iMessage to all devices that share the same apple I'd. This means all messages sent from one device will appear on all other devices that share the same apple I'd. And all messages received on the device will appear on other devices that share the apple I'd. From a COMSEC perspective this could spell disaster for you should one of your devices be outside of your control while conducting "eyes only" messaging operations.
For example, I am often asked: "Why do you need your computer, iPad and iPhone all of the time. Can't I borrow your iPad for a moment?" A moment later you receive a communication from a (ahem)"Sugar Baby" on your phone while your wife is using your iPad. One week later your wife begins a conversation with: "Are you involved with any other women?" At which point there is NO good answer as she has already told you she knows by the question alone. She then advises that: "After my attorney gets done with you, you'll have blood dripping from your ass!". This is what is known my brothers as the classic "bad scene".
Don't wind up with blood dripping from your ass! Practice OPSEC. And keep your COMSEC tight!Even free texting apps like Pinger / Textfree (which are great for the anonymity) show up on your Ipad, etc. Along with the string of messages. Even google voice does this. so if you share devices beware!!
Even free texting apps like Pinger / Textfree (which are great for the anonymity) show up on your Ipad, etc. Along with the string of messages. Even google voice does this. so if you share devices beware!!I started with a cheap burner phone years ago and have stuck with it ever since, even though texting on it can be very similar to torture for me. If that's what it takes to get panties on the floor, I'll do it. My Sugar cell doesn't link to anything, and I always store it in the same secure place when it's not in use. As for email, as has been said, I keep a dedicated address for all my Sugar activities, and only access it via the provider's website. I never download anything, not even pics, as much as I might like to sneak a quick peak from time to time. I also make sure to log off every time, even if I'm just going to take a piss. The last thing I want is for a wandering family member to glance at the screen when I've been emailing a baby.
I know this "dual" system can be cumbersome, but it helps to promote in my mind the idea that I am under cover, and my Sugar identity is NOT my real identity
LikeMike1963
04-18-13, 15:25
Well. It will not be long until my ATF SB will be graduating and likely moving back to her home state. Pick up on her career and certainly move forward with her life. As she should. With all that, she will be greatly missed. She has been my least expensive SB and by far the best. Really more of a PT GF. I have described our situation before on here. This transition will likely happen in about 6 weeks. Soooooo what do you do. When you fav pet dies. Oh wait. You go get a new one! . I have posted some of my techniques from my past experience but have been away from the game. I know the usual channels but wondering if anyone ever hunts on FB and your tips etc? I will add I am likely looking for another great LTF.. but this one took 10 yrs to find..lol nothing wrong with some temps though until I find what I am happy with..
Good hunting!
The body was great, the pictures if body and face we a 9. 5 in person 8. 5. To start with she showed up for the date high. We had fun, even went back to the dorm for some a strip tease and oral fun. We met the next afternoon to consummate the deal. This time she was sober but scatter brained and starving. Fed her some food and she got better. But the sex was pretty much just lay there. No affection, kissing or sounds.
I think she is perfect for someone else. But I cannot do druggies, who prefer dorm rooms over hotels, don't drive, soon to be homeless, who need lots of bedroom training and want you to spend $3000 for her school and give her cash and date.
She was pleasant to be around, was very open minded, dependable and caring. She dressed hot and at times really wanted to keep me happy. Oh and she dresses very Hott!
Found her in SA, she gives up the goodies on the first date. Very hot spinner body. British accent and easy to please. If you want more info pm me.
Sitting in a room now waiting in MsOxymoron, this will be much better.
BigTigg.
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"
Met with my current ATF HCB for the second time this week. Our new austerity program is working well and the CPO is down to $ 125 plus recreation such as dinners and gifts. I am truly in lust with this spinner who I am learning where all her hot spots are. She is very vocal and has a beautiful Orgasmic Trill. It's nice to be appreciated again after my former HCB would lie there and grunt sotto voce. I like embarrassingly loud appreciation. It's also nice to feel that pussy contract around your dick after a rousing session after which she says OMG, OMG, OMG. LOL I know I'm bragging but you all here know what I am talking about.
I have a M&G in a few hours with an AM girl I have been back and forth with for several mos. AM is hard duty for me I must say. I have never consummated a deal there. She is an unappreciated unhappily married 30 something who appears to be a full bodied 7/7? But she might be needy in the sex dept so it could be fun. Of course there is still time to flake so I might be singing a different tune tomorrow. It's hard to improve on a 10 across the board but men being men, variety is nice. And every girl has a little different spin on the sex business. The other beauty is she is "free."
Met with my current ATF HCB for the second time this week. Our new austerity program is working well and the CPO is down to $ 125 plus recreation such as dinners and gifts. I am truly in lust with this spinner who I am learning where all her hot spots are. She is very vocal and has a beautiful Orgasmic Trill. It's nice to be appreciated again after my former HCB would lie there and grunt sotto voce. I like embarrassingly loud appreciation. It's also nice to feel that pussy contract around your dick after a rousing session after which she says OMG, OMG, OMG. LOL I know I'm bragging but you all here know what I am talking about.
I have a M&G in a few hours with an AM girl I have been back and forth with for several mos. AM is hard duty for me I must say. I have never consummated a deal there. She is an unappreciated unhappily married 30 something who appears to be a full bodied 7/7? But she might be needy in the sex dept so it could be fun. Of course there is still time to flake so I might be singing a different tune tomorrow. It's hard to improve on a 10 across the board but men being men, variety is nice. And every girl has a little different spin on these sex business. The other beauty is she is "free."How come I don't come across deals like this? What I would give for a good and horny MILF!
HollywoodGuy
04-19-13, 17:43
The Wifey. 46. AA Spinner. Exclusive to me. She is calling me her husband and I am going to get her a wedding ring so everyone knows she is taken. Seeing her one day a week. May increase to two days a week.
The Girlfriend. 26. AA Spinner (but tall. 5'7"). Exclusive to me. Seeing her one day a week.
The Little Princess. 19. AA Spinner. Model Looks. Exclusive to me. She is calling me her boyfriend. Seeing her like 2 or 3 times a week.
The Live In. 22. Asian. Tiny. Non exclusive. She is still my good friend and we hookup when I am in need between regulars.
Fetish Girl. 26. Mexican. Spinner. Non exclusive. Slowly coming around. Hooked up a couple times but no intercourse yet. It has taken me a year for her to get over my multiple girl arrangements to where she is now willing to date me. Hope to see once a week.
Stalker. 26. Armenian. Spinner. Model Looks. Exclusive. Says she will wait till every girl is gone and then marry me. LOL. Two minor hookups so far. It has taken me 9 months for her to get over my multiple girl arrangements to where she is now willing to date me. Hope to see once a week.
I have cut the interviewing process way back as I now have a full schedule. But I am interviewing a very horny MILF 37 on Sunday. Only wants wine and dine no cash.
So yes I do have a spinner fetish. Gets me up every time. I was over budget this month and could easily handle all of them for 3k a month. Trying to get back to 2k a month. This has taken a lot of time, money and experimenting to get to this point. All girls are aware of each other. Some less happy than others but all sticking to me like glue.
Averaging slightly over $ a day per visit including everything except gas. Sorry no pics at this time. Will post later when I get the time
HollywoodGuy
04-19-13, 23:15
The body was great, the pictures if body and face we a 9. 5 in person 8. 5. To start with she showed up for the date high. We had fun, even went back to the dorm for some a strip tease and oral fun. We met the next afternoon to consummate the deal. This time she was sober but scatter brained and starving. Fed her some food and she got better. But the sex was pretty much just lay there. No affection, kissing or sounds.
I think she is perfect for someone else. But I cannot do druggies, who prefer dorm rooms over hotels, don't drive, soon to be homeless, who need lots of bedroom training and want you to spend $3000 for her school and give her cash and date.
She was pleasant to be around, was very open minded, dependable and caring. She dressed hot and at times really wanted to keep me happy. Oh and she dresses very Hott!
Found her in SA, she gives up the goodies on the first date. Very hot spinner body. British accent and easy to please. If you want more info pm me.
Sitting in a room now waiting in MsOxymoron, this will be much better.
BigTigg.
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"So you banged her for a few bucks and on to the next one. Damn you got a tough life. Every reject just puts you one step closer to the next ATF. But you already know that.
Member #5570
04-20-13, 13:44
Ok, not sure this is appropriate on this thread.
But have anyone tried fb dating? I just signed up for Zoosk within the FB environment.
This could potentially be a goldmine for digging up nubile / inexperienced young SBs.
HollywoodGuy
04-20-13, 16:04
Ok, not sure this is appropriate on this thread.
But have anyone tried fb dating? I just signed up for Zoosk within the FB environment.
This could potentially be a goldmine for digging up nubile / inexperienced young SBs.Never tried it. Let us know how it's going
So you banged her for a few bucks and on to the next one. Damn you got a tough life. Every reject just puts you one step closer to the next ATF. But you already know that.LOL, such a terrible life I lead.
The Sugar Bowl Gives And The Sugar Bowl Takes Away.
It has been quite a week. I am going to have to slow down my pace. But I must admit overall I feel energized.
So the week started off with a shock.
REVVOATF: This was bad. Real bad. Things had been going very well. And all of a sudden she up and quit on me. This was a shock! Things were going so well. It was almost erie how well. We really were very well matched. She is 39 knew her way around and did not cause any problems. She was sexy beautiful and fun, and exciting. She had a life and wanted to live it. But she did have a child and wanted to meet on weekends when she could drop her child off at her moms. I could only meet on weekdays when I was in her town. This caused a hardship for her. And she told me she could not do it anymore. She is hurting for money and was giving up the allowance I was giving her. She has either found another SD or she is really comiitted to doing what she wants. I have repeatedly checked her for lies and have found not one inconsistency. This really sucks. I am suprised at how much this affected me. But I must say she has way outdistanced all other babies I have been with. The only other alternative is REVVOSB1, which my ATF beats her but it is closer. Oh well I am getting over it. But it aint fun.
REVVOSB1: My little fortune cookie is going strong. Very different person. Mellow and quite. But quite passionate in the FC. She is willing to do anything I can think of so far. No drama. No bullshit. She is very accommodating and affectionate. She is very cool. But I will say she is not at exciting and fun as my ATF was. She is absolutely beautiful. Dresses real classy and never wears underwear when she is wearing a skirt or dress. Its always nice to be able to sneak a little feel under her dress when we are out. So sexy.
REVVOPOT1: Very nice latina 20YO 8 head, 7 body, and 8 personality. Sweet as can be. Very willing to follow my lead. She is self sufficient and is going to start college in a few weeks. She is also getting her own apartment so she will be able to host soon. We have not visited the FC yet. But we are close. She was very willing. We did some serious making out but no FC. When we left she texted me 10 minutes later wanting to talk about planning the big day. These young babies you have to really go slow. But since I was cool about everything and she was not feeling any pressure, she came around. So we are set for next week.
REVVOPOT2: This was a big bust. Chick was a solid 10 but had a bad case of GPS, even after she agreed to $$. She even wanted to charge me to meet. So we ended it.
REVVOPOT3: This one was a very strong college student Eastern Indian. 23YO 9 head. 9 body. 4 attitude. She had an even worse case of GPS. If you do not get this money thing out of the way up front. It can really bite you wasting your time. So she is out of here. We had a long text exchange about value and the sugar bowl. Here is a little of it:
Aghamora: I've decided I would only meet up with you for 500 bucks 8:37 PM.
Me: Is that 500 just to meet? 8:37 PM.
Aghamora: Ok I am just going to be honest with you. I am attracted to you, I am interested, but I am also looking for money for school. 8:41 PM.
Me: Honesty is good. Lets be honest. I am attracted to you and I am very interested. And this is a sugar daddy dating site so money is a part of it. 8:44 PM.
Me:. So you want 500 just to meet? 8:45 PM.
Aghamora: Yes 8:47 PM.
Me: Well sweetie I cannot do that. And I do want to meet you. But I never pay someone to meet them. You are very attractive and interesting and I can help you out but. 8:50 PM.
Me:. I have met many beautiful women on here and on my own and I never paid anyone money to meet. 8:50 PM.
Me: Ok sweetie. It was very nice meeting you. I enjoyed chatting with you. Please let me know if you change your mind. .9:32 PM.
Aghamora: sorry I am not changing my mind. I have only been with 2 guys my whole life, I'm foreign, I'm sexy and this is the first time I'm doing this. I am definitely not changing my mind. If you change your mind let me know. 3:33 PM.
Me: Sweetie. I would never ask you to do something you do not want to do. But I think you should know a few things. I have had several sugar babies they were all very beautiful and some went on to be long term. 4:18 PM.
Me:. I have friends that have dated many SB's. And I have never paid for someone to just meet me. And the most I have ever paid for a visit is 200 and that is for everything. Yes your are cute and foreign. But for example. 4:20 PM.
Me:. My last SB was Asian, beautiful and she was 25 and had an Ivy League education. And we adored each other and truly had a great time together. Good luck with your search. .4:22 PM.
Aghamora: goodluck to you too. It was great talking to you 5:00 PM.
Aghamora: and I am aerospace engineering major by the way. 200 for everything that is crazyy and cheap, but I guess we are just not for each other. 5:49 PM.
Me: Aghamora. I understnad how you feel. This is a market just like anything else. You are educated so you understand there is supply and there is demand. For every man on the SD site there are 20 women. 6:12 PM.
REVVOPOT4: This is a sweet little 20 yo white baby 8 head. 8 body. 7 attitude. At first had a little attitude but she came around kind of quickly. She is very responsive and sexy. We are still working on schedules but not been able to meet yet. But she seems very willing and wants to meet. Works as a server at night. So it is hard to find a good time to meet.
Much more to write not much time right now. Will come up with an update soon.
Be careful out there,
Revvo
LOL, such a terrible life I lead.In the end I was being too judgmental about her showing up high, wasn't understanding enough of the fact that she was tired, I need to understand that she doesn't want to be too passionate because she does not want to get attached AND she was expecting me to give her the entire agreed upon monthly amount at the first meeting. REALLY! So it's all my fault! We've exchanged texts and I can keep her around for a sporadic every now and then. But she's out of the running to be my #1 sb.
By the way, my AM finds are working out pretty well. 2 AA thick chicks. Both pretty much just want a good screw without attachment.
I have another SA find who's very thick, she is cute, has a great personality, her own place, car, etc. Originally discussed a monthly amount, but I was able to get her to agree to a per visit fee as I'm not willing to bring her in the #1 spot either. The sex is great, don't ask me why I don't just chill with her an call it a day. But she will a better long term friend without commitment with a pay as you go setup.
I got 2 others from SA who I'm working on. I'm hoping one of these will make it into the #1 spot. Both have potential are very good looking, under 23 years old. SA has been very profitable this time around. I'm not quite up to Hollywood's harem, but it's keeping me busy.
Hollywood has inspired me. So let me see, maybe I'm underestimating the fun I'm having.
NSA / Bootycall Group.
(Maryland)
- Thick 28 year old AA, with own place, career, etc. $200 per month. Met on SA Seeing her 2 to 3 times a month. #FreakyDentalAssitant.
- Thick big body AA 37 year old (H-Boobs. Big shapely butt. Almost no fat on her at all). Met on AM, meeting once a month. No cost #MsBigBody.
(Virginia)
-MsOxyMoron. $400 per month, seeing her once a week. I'm still paying for hotels, but found a 3 star for $88
-FreakyLatina. Thick Latina, met on AM. We meet Once a month. No cost.
Potential Girlfriend Group (agreed gift amounts)
MsSuccessful. We stopped seeing each other. She's married and her situation just changed too much for us to be a good fit. (no cost)
Druggie College SB. Spinner, with great face, we are just not a good match. ($700 per month)
-South Carolina 24 Year AA, nice legs, big boobs, little extra around the waist. She's moving here in the fall. She will have her own place and be a full time student. We are meeting in a few weeks. ($750 per month)
-Baltimore 21 year old AA college cutie. Just started emailing, have not met yet.
-DC 21 year old AA, works and goes to school in accounting field. Only exchanging emails so far.
Long Distance Group.
-Atlanta Big Butt friend. Was meeting once a month, now once every 2 months. Cover cost of expenses and $200 cash spending money when she's here.
-Alabama friend. 5'11, big boobs, runner. Met on dating site many years back. I see her once every 3 to 4 months. Expenses only.
-California White Thick 4'11, big boobs and big butt. We've not met, but she's ready to cum visit. Expenses only.
-Delaware 5'7 AA with not butt but big boobs. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.
-Delaware 5'4 AA with big butt and big boobs. She has a butt that's even distracting to women. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.
-Tidewater area Virgina, very pretty AA. 44 years old, nice boobs. Absolutely flat as ironing board butt. Meeting once a month. Met on AM. No cost.
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Currently on the hook for $400 with MsOxyMoron, plus $360 in hotel bills.
Everyone else is pay as you go or we have not sealed the deal on the arrangement yet.
I have a big boobs or big butt fetish. Gotta have one or the other or be really cute/pretty.
I'm trying to stay under a total monthly budget of $1500
BigTigg
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"
HollywoodGuy
04-22-13, 02:18
Hollywood has inspired me. So let me see, maybe I'm underestimating the fun I'm having.Thanks. After a slightly rocky start I appreciate being a trusted member of this thread. And all those unattractive girls. You know, the spinners with the small boobs and tiny butts. Just send them over here.
HollywoodGuy
04-22-13, 02:28
Met a moderately attractive (with a nice body) white MILF on SD4ME for dinner. She refused any cash payment saying that would be prostitution. $.7 for the dinner. We then went for a romantic walk in the park which led to a park bench where we spent the next hour groping like teenagers by the light of the moon. She suggested her coming to my place for the second date for a sleepover.
She is not looking for any romantic entanglements. Only a guy that can help get her over her proclaimed shyness. Like when I was rubbing her pussy she wouldn't let me look into her eyes and kept forcing me to makeout instead. A common theme I have seen over the years is younger girls looking to gain sexual experience (hence the older guy selection). Even though I regularly date much younger girls, she said I was the oldest guy she had ever dated.
Not totally my type physically, but she had a sweet personality and was very interested in persuing her sex fantasies and desires. It's our job to help these girls achieve their highest possible sexual potential. They should actually be paying us.
Smokarz,
I am curious about this myself. I told the story of two friends of mine recently divorced and killing the pussy. They are in their early 40's not good looking in fact one could be considered kinda homely. Good jobs but not money by any means. Both have good personalities. And can hold a conversation. But they got on these dating sites and were just fucking these women left and right. Even up to doing two a day!
Here I am working my ass off. Paying lots of money and trying to coax these babies out of their shyness or whatever they have. Dealing with god knows what kind of emotional trauma. And to top it off. I make three times as much money as these guys. Have many more assets, and I am even better looking than them. (at the risk of sounding conceited, I am just trying to put into perspective). These guys have told me that if I was single I would be "slaying the pussy out there". Their words not mine.
What the fuck is wrong with this picture?
Now the latest story. I have another friend better looking guy, makes good money. I would consider his personality ok, a little goofy. Not a player by any means. He is going through a bad divorce and goes to the bar about twice a week to sit there and watch the game or talk to the bartender. In the span of two months he has gotten laid about 10 times. And he is not even trying! The women are coming up to him and he is getting hot women. I have seen the pictures! 27, 31, 39, 40ish. All white all good looking. Some are telling him to just call when he wants to fuck. And costs him nothing. With a few exceptions not even buying them dinner!
This is fucking frustrating. He was told by a friend who is a mid forties divorced woman. That if you are normal to good looking and have a good job in this age range. You have a 10 to 1 advantage with the women. Essentially you are the hot commodity.
I just can't help but think. I am going about this all wrong. Too much work, too much money. And for something I could get for free and easy?
What do you guys think?
Revvo
PS: I met this really cute tall 32YO white, brunette MILF, going through a divorce. I met her through a separate social encounter. I have her number. I think I am going to call her today and see if she wants to go and get a drink one night. Lets see what happens.
Ok, not sure this is appropriate on this thread.
But have anyone tried fb dating? I just signed up for Zoosk within the FB environment.
This could potentially be a goldmine for digging up nubile / inexperienced young SBs.
PartyTimeGuy
04-22-13, 16:26
Met a moderately attractive (with a nice body) white MILF on SD4ME for dinner. She refused any cash payment saying that would be prostitution. $.7 for the dinner. We then went for a romantic walk in the park which led to a park bench where we spent the next hour groping like teenagers by the light of the moon. She suggested her coming to my place for the second date for a sleepover.
She is not looking for any romantic entanglements. Only a guy that can help get her over her proclaimed shyness. Like when I was rubbing her pussy she wouldn't let me look into her eyes and kept forcing me to makeout instead. A common theme I have seen over the years is younger girls looking to gain sexual experience (hence the older guy selection). Even though I regularly date much younger girls, she said I was the oldest guy she had ever dated.
Not totally my type physically, but she had a sweet personality and was very interested in persuing her sex fantasies and desires. It's our job to help these girls achieve their highest possible sexual potential. They should actually be paying us.Your approach is similar to what I like to do. Variety is the objective. All ages, sizes and shapes are welcome because the attitude is the key. The chase and the game should be half the fun. Groping in the park like teenagers with a plan to pursue her sex fantasies and desires? I love it!
PartyTimeGuy
04-22-13, 16:43
Hollywood has inspired me. So let me see, maybe I'm underestimating the fun I'm having.
NSA / Bootycall Group.
(Maryland)
- Thick 28 year old AA, with own place, career, etc. $200 per month. Met on SA Seeing her 2 to 3 times a month. #FreakyDentalAssitant.
- Thick big body AA 37 year old (H-Boobs. Big shapely butt. Almost no fat on her at all). Met on AM, meeting once a month. No cost #MsBigBody.
(Virginia)
-MsOxyMoron. $400 per month, seeing her once a week. I'm still paying for hotels, but found a 3 star for $88
-FreakyLatina. Thick Latina, met on AM. We meet Once a month. No cost.
Potential Girlfriend Group (agreed gift amounts)
MsSuccessful. We stopped seeing each other. She's married and her situation just changed too much for us to be a good fit. (no cost)
Druggie College SB. Spinner, with great face, we are just not a good match. ($700 per month)
-South Carolina 24 Year AA, nice legs, big boobs, little extra around the waist. She's moving here in the fall. She will have her own place and be a full time student. We are meeting in a few weeks. ($750 per month)
-Baltimore 21 year old AA college cutie. Just started emailing, have not met yet.
-DC 21 year old AA, works and goes to school in accounting field. Only exchanging emails so far.
Long Distance Group.
-Atlanta Big Butt friend. Was meeting once a month, now once every 2 months. Cover cost of expenses and $200 cash spending money when she's here.
-Alabama friend. 5'11, big boobs, runner. Met on dating site many years back. I see her once every 3 to 4 months. Expenses only.
-California White Thick 4'11, big boobs and big butt. We've not met, but she's ready to cum visit. Expenses only.
-Delaware 5'7 AA with not butt but big boobs. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.
-Delaware 5'4 AA with big butt and big boobs. She has a butt that's even distracting to women. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.
-Tidewater area Virgina, very pretty AA. 44 years old, nice boobs. Absolutely flat as ironing board butt. Meeting once a month. Met on AM. No cost.
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Currently on the hook for $400 with MsOxyMoron, plus $360 in hotel bills.
Everyone else is pay as you go or we have not sealed the deal on the arrangement yet.
I have a big boobs or big butt fetish. Got to have one or the other or be really cute / pretty.
I'm trying to stay under a total monthly budget of $1500.
BigTigg.
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"Total agreement here. Three times six beats 10 times one.
I don't have the time or the energy to have the SB stable you or HollywoodGuy or Revvo and others keep but I have a small SB collection which is constantly evolving:
19 year old chubby freak: cute nympho who loves to be tied up, spanked and squirted for hours; meals and a show every once in a while.
45 year old MILF; newly divorced and feeling her oats; .5$ every now and then.
Pair of young lesbians (or so they say) .19 and 20: get a kick out of occasional cock; meals and $ for both for hours of fun.
19 year old; 6 rating overall with a 10 bubble ass; screamer and sucks like a Hoover; shopping is her thing.
When I grow up maybe I will have a real collection like you.
Smokarz,
(That) if you are normal to good looking and have a good job in this age range. You have a 10 to 1 advantage with the women. Essentially you are the hot commodity.
I just can't help but think. I am going about this all wrong. Too much work, too much money. And for something I could get for free and easy?
What do you guys think?
RevvoI feel your pain Rev! I too am a decent looking young looking senior citizen and sat in bars with no hot babes approaching me, so I don't know what these guys have that I don't. Perhaps youth, but therein lies the problem. I have a desire for 20 somethings and am not interested in older girls (over 35ish) and the only access to this age group for me is Dough Re Mi. I could slay 40 somethings all day long but not my style.
Now there is one exception to this on the regular dating sites. And that involves girls who want to land a husband who has money and social status. For us mongers who don't want marriage or are already married we need girls to bang who are either attracted to us or our money. Some of you guys who are in your 30s and early 40s probably can attract the youngsters with your own charm.
So I have to continue to put the money out there and catch what I can.
Not that they are not hard to find, but if anyone is interested in a 40 something curvy-thick white sb, I have a lead on SA. She is easy to talk to, ok looking, big boobs, a little extra weight on her, willing to drive and willing to go to FC on the first date. I had a date scheduled, but I have too much going on to take on this adventure.
BigTigg
John G Smith
04-23-13, 08:20
I guess it's time for to do another update as well. After having my SB stable pretty much burn to the ground around the beginning of the year, from the ashes my stable has reemerged younger, tighter, and cheaper.
Innocence SB now known as Girlfriend SB
She's the young 18 year-old AA girl (8/8/10) I met a little over a month ago. She had a genuine attraction to me and said it wasn't all about the money from the start. We've might twice in the FC and so far the romps have been smoking. We text every day throughout the day. I've given her a total 140 since we've been together. Insanely low CPO. Just the other day she said her feelings were getting stronger for me and that she wanted to officially be boyfriend / girlfriend. I agreed. Not only will this keep my costs down with her but I genuinely enjoy the attention she gives me. I may love her at somepoint but I don't ever see myself leaving my wife for her, so I'm not worried about the usual "E-invovelment" hazards. But it's just a great feeling having a nubile 18 year-old just infatuated with you, great for the ego and libido. Due to distance, I only see her 1-2 times a month. So as much as I like her, I still needed some additional SBs to fill in the gaps.
Punk SB.
Another young 18 year-old half asian / half latina (8/6/9) SB I met in the last week or so and this one is closer to home. She also still lives at home, so her allowance needs are extremely modest. She was over the moon with the 100 I offered her. She's completely new and I nabbed her off SDFM from the new sign-ups and then quickly had her close her profile. We met last week and after the M&G we went straight to the FC because both of us had a pretty tight schedule. We were pressed for time but I found a notel near her house and then quickly did the deed. I could tell she was new to everything, but when it came down to the bedroom activity she was relaxed and let loose pretty easily. She's not highly skilled yet but it's clear she's a fast and willing learner. We haven't established a routine yet, but I'm budgeting two meetups a month with her. She texted me the day after our romp, so she was still on board. I don't text her nearly the same amount as my Girlfriend, but we usually exchange maybe 3-4 texts per day.
Geek SB.
She's a 20 year-old half asian / half white (7/7/8). She's a geeky full-time college student. Technically she's still a pot since we haven't done the deed yet. She's also new to the SB world but had a friend who was a professional SB advise her. Because of this, she was in GPS territory initially. But I talked her off the edge and it also helped that we have quite a few common interests. We did the pre-negotiations and settled on 450-500 per month. She has her own apartment, so she would be able to host (though she does have a roommate). She doesn't live around the corner, but she's still in the local area. If I could see her at least 3 times a month, then it will be a pretty good CPO. So we did a M&G this weekend and I thought it went well but you can never really tell sometimes. But she texted me immediately afterward basically continuing the conversation we had over lunch. No specific FC plans yet, but she's also texted me everyday since we met (exchange about 6-8 texts a day). So she's clearly still interested. But I'm going to wait for her to initiate the FC date. I want her to want it and honestly my plate is a bit full at the moment, so I can be patient.
Backseat SB.
She's back! I've been seeing this 20-year old latina SB (7/8/6) off and on for about a year. She's a pure booty call SB. We had a bit of a falling out about 2 months ago but I reached out to her recently and was extremely eager to start back up again. It was almost like she had been waiting on me to contact her again. We don't really connect at all personality-wise, but she's local, spinner, amazing tits, and knows how to grind in the backseat of a car. I thought she might go UTR, but she never did. I found out I was basically the only guy she was doing P2P with. So even though we don't really click, I still like having a hot young latina who's exclusive to me (in the sugar world) and basically on call.
Gone out to Pasture.
I let a couple SBs go. The 18-year-old stripper SB still texts me every 3-4 days, but she's somewhat unreliable. Body-wise she's probably a 9/10 (face / body) , but I can see the stripper lifestyle taking over before my eyes. On her Facebook page, she's showing off the weed she's about to smoke and etc. I'm not a prude or anything but I'm extremely cautious of SBs who use drugs. Unpredictable and unreliable. There's enough clean SBs out there that I can avoid the ones that have "habits". The Escort SB is also in the wind. I didn't strike it when it was hot and honestly I have better options that I didn't really need her in my stable anymore, so I stopped pursuing her.
So I now have 3-4 SBs in rotation all under the age of 21. My Girlfriend is my favorite and the other 3 girls will fill in the gaps. All of them are pretty much on a twice a month schedule.
On a final note, some people may be surprised with the amount of texting I do. But I like it doing it because a) You can tell if she's a Pro or not, regular girls like to text, pros often just want to get straight to the point be) It keeps my costs down. Some girls like to be paid in "attention" as well as cash. If you take the time to talk with them for a bit, they are more likely not to see you purely as an ATM machine. See) As mentioned before, it feeds my ego. The personal touch is why I see SBs over pros. It's not just about costs, I like knowing that I'm talking to a real human being and not a glorified blowup doll. So text is worth the time investment for me.
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On a final note, some people may be surprised with the amount of texting I do. But I like it doing it because a) You can tell if she's a Pro or not, regular girls like to text, pros often just want to get straight to the point be) It keeps my costs down. Some girls like to be paid in "attention" as well as cash. If you take the time to talk with them for a bit, they are more likely not to see you purely as an ATM machine. See) As mentioned before, it feeds my ego. The personal touch is why I see SBs over pros. It's not just about costs, I like knowing that I'm talking to a real human being and not a glorified blowup doll. So text is worth the time investment for me.100% Agree, this has been one of my force multipliers. It is why I upgraded my phone to a virgin mobile android, $50 per month unlimited. I have found that I am preferring the younger ones now too.
BigTigg
100% Agree, this has been one of my force multipliers. It is why I upgraded my phone to a virgin mobile android, $50 per month unlimited. I have found that I am preferring the younger ones now too.
BigTiggAs I have said before, in order to talk to the youg ones, and successfully bed them, you need to speak their language. I text now almost exclusively, once initial contact has been made and I've got their email and cell info. It increases the gravitational pull on the panties by a huge degree, getting them on the floor much faster than before I started texting. I now have to guard against all the "text-ese" creeping into my regular business correspondence.
Just got back from a lunch m&g with a hot mom who is good to go as soon as we can arrange a meeting in the FC. She is quirky, funny, artistic and smart, just how I like them, but at 32 is at the top end of my preferred age bracket. Something about her is extremely appealing, though. We spent about 15 minutes making out in my car before she got back on the train, and it definitely promised some very enjoyable things to come, so I am feeling happy. Got several flirty texts on the drive back to the office, which I also like.
Second date planned with an art student tomorrow, who frankly is out of my league in terms of attractiveness, but I think there are some daddy issues there, so I'm just going to roll with it. The fact that she is studying something that I do as part of my job is helpful. If I can land her in the next few weeks I'll be thrilled. She lives alone, so the scheduling will be much easier.
Thursday I have a "lunch" set with a 6' redhead who I spent the night with last week when my SO was out of town. She is absolutely gymnastic in bed, and, again, I find her immensely appealing. Scottie was at his most agile and alert all evening long, so I'm sure she is expecting a repeat performance, and I will do my best to give it to her.
It's great to see how active we all have become, and to see the posts of some new members of the club. Keep up the good work, gentlemen,
Scott
HollywoodGuy
04-23-13, 19:30
Smokarz,
I am curious about this myself. I told the story of two friends of mine recently divorced and killing the pussy. They are in their early 40's not good looking in fact one could be considered kinda homely. Good jobs but not money by any means. Both have good personalities. And can hold a conversation. But they got on these dating sites and were just fucking these women left and right. Even up to doing two a day!
Here I am working my ass off. Paying lots of money and trying to coax these babies out of their shyness or whatever they have. Dealing with god knows what kind of emotional trauma. And to top it off. I make three times as much money as these guys. Have many more assets, and I am even better looking than them. (at the risk of sounding conceited, I am just trying to put into perspective). These guys have told me that if I was single I would be "slaying the pussy out there". Their words not mine.
What the fuck is wrong with this picture?
Now the latest story. I have another friend better looking guy, makes good money. I would consider his personality ok, a little goofy. Not a player by any means. He is going through a bad divorce and goes to the bar about twice a week to sit there and watch the game or talk to the bartender. In the span of two months he has gotten laid about 10 times. And he is not even trying! The women are coming up to him and he is getting hot women. I have seen the pictures! 27, 31, 39, 40ish. All white all good looking. Some are telling him to just call when he wants to fuck. And costs him nothing. With a few exceptions not even buying them dinner!
This is fucking frustrating. He was told by a friend who is a mid forties divorced woman. That if you are normal to good looking and have a good job in this age range. You have a 10 to 1 advantage with the women. Essentially you are the hot commodity.
I just can't help but think. I am going about this all wrong. Too much work, too much money. And for something I could get for free and easy?
What do you guys think?
Revvo.
PS: I met this really cute tall 32YO white, brunette MILF, going through a divorce. I met her through a separate social encounter. I have her number. I think I am going to call her today and see if she wants to go and get a drink one night. Lets see what happens.I don't know about you. But I LOVE going online and picking the exact type of face / body I am looking for out of HUNDREDs / maybe thousands of profiles. In a bar you get to pick from how many girls? I am very picky, hate pickup lines, and get the kind out girls that never go for them. So it's a different type of girl. Also I will not date a girl that drinks more than one drink, not likely in a bar.
Hollywood,
I see your point. It is like a candy store and you get to pick your flavor. And I have heard other comments on here about about how you do not get the drama with the SB. That you get with a civvie.
May be true. It just seems like there is so much work to this? Maybe I am still learning. I only started in February. I guess I need to get some more experience. I keep hearing about how my demographic has an advantage with these civvie women. The ones over 35. I actually prefer a woman that is a little more I. Touch with her own body. May give it a try.
By the way I got a M&G with a very hot AA young 20 yo. 8/10/7 this afternoon. We will see how it goes. She may have contracted a case of GPS. We will see how bad. I am also meeting my main Asian SB tomorrow for the day. And a new white 21 yo 7/9/7 POT on Monday for a m&g.
More reports to follow.
Revvo
HollywoodGuy
04-24-13, 12:49
http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/henry-t-mudd/recent/2
I remember reading about this guy in the local paper and thinking. This is the way to do it. This was about 20 years ago and the seed was planted.
He had 7 SB's that he had ensconced each in their own home and saw each one once a week. He is my role model.
He is a man to admire for 1) living the American dream (inheritance) and 2) slaying the pussy.
It is all about the Money.
" If you got the money you get the honey." If I had $10 s of millions I would have girls all over the place.like Bigg Tigg, Hollywood, Scotty. Geez! If you guys had those kind of bucks (and maybe you do) your dicks would scar from overuse.
HollywoodGuy
04-25-13, 04:10
He is a man to admire for 1) living the American dream (inheritance) and 2) slaying the pussy.
It is all about the Money.
" If you got the money you get the honey." If I had $10 s of millions I would have girls all over the place. Like Bigg Tigg, Hollywood, Scotty. Geez! If you guys had those kind of bucks (and maybe you do) your dicks would scar from overuse.The funny (or not so funny) thing is. When I had the big money I had 3 or 4 gold diggers KILLING me. Now that I am a normal middle income earner I have 3 exclusive women that ADORE me and give me the best sex ever (and 3 more part timers that treat me right). If I ever go back up to even half of what I used to make prior to this administrations business strangling regulations (which are never going to be rolled back) I would possibly up the monthly allowances, but nowhere near what they were and just have more affordable (maybe up to 7) babies.
And I cut my X wifes alimony by 70 percent.
Member #4103
04-25-13, 08:17
I've read a lot of posts on here about guys getting emotionally involved and thought I would share my experience.
So. I met this girl on SA about a year ago on a biz trip, we kept seeing each other, initially it was $$$$ per overnight (she's mid-twenties, rocking bod, Ivy league grad etc) , but after two dates she told me she liked me and I didn't have to pay for it anymore. She moved to NY, we've kept seeing each other fairly often, traveling together (she wants an exclusive bf relationship. And I'm good with free BBFS), all good.
Except I know she is still banging some of you guys (I may have seen some texts of hers.) Which is fine. It is what it is. Just a word to the wise, don't let yourself get caught up emotionally with these women or you will get burned. Just remember what you are dealing with. My $.02.
The weird part is sitting across the table from a hot, smart girl, and knowing that she is flat out lying to you. Adds an interesting emotional twist to the bedroom sessions.
I've read a lot of posts on here about guys getting emotionally involved and thought I would share my experience.
The weird part is sitting across the table from a hot, smart girl, and knowing that she is flat out lying to you. Adds an interesting emotional twist to the bedroom sessions.I am the poster boy for E Involvement and I'm trying to get past that. After the breakup with my ATF I discovered that she was working 3 full time SDs each of us thinking that we were the one and only. It was disquieting to think that we were all swapping spit and sperm and who knows what other STDs in the mix. I am envious of those of you (Commander) who don't seem to care that your SB is banging others. It is an easier way to be.
The thing is , They can't help themselves. If you put milk in front of a kitten they will drink . These needy Babies ,whether desperate or not , can easily gather serious coin from multiple Daddies who are throwing money at them . Many of us ( SDs ) act pretty desperate to bag a babe and offer crazy $ amounts to do a simple task like sleep with us ,which comes naturally to them . Morality is but a fleeting thought in their consciousness .
A hooker friend charges $1600/day to travel with a John to Vegas for example plus expenses . A SB will go for the trip only and a few hundred $ spending cash . How can they resisit temptation like this ? It's like shooting fish in a barrel .
Have Money Will travel
Member #5570
04-25-13, 14:18
http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/henry-t-mudd/recent/2
I remember reading about this guy in the local paper and thinking. This is the way to do it. This was about 20 years ago and the seed was planted.
He had 7 SB's that he had ensconced each in their own home and saw each one once a week.
He is my role model.Way too easy when you have millions of dollars at your disposal. Most of us work with a monthly budget of $1-$3k.
Member #4103
04-25-13, 14:52
I am the poster boy for E Involvement and I'm trying to get past that. After the breakup with my ATF I discovered that she was working 3 full time SDs each of us thinking that we were the one and only. It was disquieting to think that we were all swapping spit and sperm and who knows what other STDs in the mix. I am envious of those of you (Commander) who don't seem to care that your SB is banging others. It is an easier way to be.
The thing is, They can't help themselves. If you put milk in front of a kitten they will drink. These needy Babies, whether desperate or not, can easily gather serious coin from multiple Daddies who are throwing money at them. Many of us (SDs) act pretty desperate to bag a babe and offer crazy $ amounts to do a simple task like sleep with us, which comes naturally to them. Morality is but a fleeting thought in their consciousness.
A hooker friend charges $1600 / day to travel with a John to Vegas for example plus expenses. A SB will go for the trip only and a few hundred $ spending cash. How can they resisit temptation like this? It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Have Money Will travelGreat analogy, kittens and milk. I think, like most of us, they can completely compartmentalize sex. Not a bad thing. I actually busted her about one guy, she swears she will never see him again. But I know at 3k per night she will see him again. And I saw his email address. Hmmm. That could be fun. But I won't go there.
HollywoodGuy
04-25-13, 15:57
Way too easy when you have millions of dollars at your disposal. Most of us work with a monthly budget of $1-$3k.My budget is the same. But it's nice to dream.
HollywoodGuy
04-25-13, 16:36
I've read a lot of posts on here about guys getting emotionally involved and thought I would share my experience.
So. I met this girl on SA about a year ago on a biz trip, we kept seeing each other, initially it was $$$$ per overnight (she's mid-twenties, rocking bod, Ivy league grad etc) , but after two dates she told me she liked me and I didn't have to pay for it anymore. She moved to NY, we've kept seeing each other fairly often, traveling together (she wants an exclusive bf relationship. And I'm good with free BBFS) , all good.
Except I know she is still banging some of you guys (I may have seen some texts of hers.) Which is fine. It is what it is. Just a word to the wise, don't let yourself get caught up emotionally with these women or you will get burned. Just remember what you are dealing with. My $.02.
The weird part is sitting across the table from a hot, smart girl, and knowing that she is flat out lying to you. Adds an interesting emotional twist to the bedroom sessions.With the type of girl you are describing I can see with all her options why she does what she does. Ivy league Grad. I try to put my focus on lower income exotic girls that don't have the needs that a more financially upscale girl would. I used to date those girls but came to the conclusion they weren't any better looking or better in bed. They may be more educated but I am not looking for esoteric conversations about Chaos Theory or philosophical discourse on Deconstruction. I definitely have to do some fixing up (hair, nails, clothes) when I meet a new girl, but I am cool with that. I like diamonds in the rough. Also their maintenance level after that is a lot less as well. Overall it seems to cost a lot less to get a much greater level of appreciation.
As far as e-volvement. All my regulars want to marry me. Thats the way I like it.
Buster Hymen
04-25-13, 17:25
Don't know if you guys saw this, almost too weird to be true. SB gets Mexican boyfriend, and end up duck taping and robbing the SD in the apartment he provided her.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130424/NEWS02/304240102?odyssey=mod|mostcom
Don't know if you guys saw this, almost too weird to be true. SB gets Mexican boyfriend, and end up duck taping and robbing the SD in the apartment he provided her.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130424/NEWS02/304240102?odyssey=mod
|mostcomAnd still, the poor bastard thinks she didn't have anything to do with it!
It is a wonder, is it not?
Scott
Blak Casper
04-25-13, 19:51
A little common sense to ferret out the scammers is a must! I met a girl the other day from AM who said she was an USC student.
What raised my alarm bells was when I asked her if she drove and she said "you can come over her" I asked where is here,
She said 55th and Western!
Now that area doesn't make me feel warm and tingly. She was ready to give up the goods though, come and get it. She said she need 2 books. 1 was $80, the other was $120.
As she seemed to have more professional ways, than I wanted I passed. She then texts me to say she needed $65 by 7:30pm (it was 7:15pm) to pay her rent or she would be evicted as she had been robbed.
She must have been scamming others on AM as they erased her email to me and restored the credits back to my account.
On the bright side the next day a girl I 1st talked to on SD4ME 3 months ago, called after I saw her on POF (plenty of fish,) and wanted to come over for a drink. As she works I let her come by for a drink, after half the drink she wanted a repeat of the hug she gave me coming in, and while that was going on she started grabbing my dick and gave some free head.
No money was discussed.
On the down side, she texts me 2 days later saying she needed gas money, as I'm not intending to see her again (she didn't match her photo recent enough) I have not offered her the gas money.
HollywoodGuy
04-26-13, 14:07
Don't know if you guys saw this, almost too weird to be true. SB gets Mexican boyfriend, and end up duck taping and robbing the SD in the apartment he provided her.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130424/NEWS02/304240102?odyssey=mod
|mostcomThe moral of the story. Don't date average white girls.
HappyHunter44
04-26-13, 15:02
The moral of the story. Don't date average white girls.This says more about character than some generic average-ness. I have met many average white girls that are quite upstanding in character. It better said to not date girls of questionable character regardless of race. My 2 cents.
HollywoodGuy
04-26-13, 15:04
This says more about character than some generic average-ness. I have met many average white girls that are quite upstanding in character. It better said to not date girls of questionable character regardless of race. My 2 cents.Was a joke. Because I date black and asian 90% of the time. Part of the reason is the most drama I have had is from white girls.
I had a fun night with a 23 year old blonde Tilted Kilt waitress that I met off SA last night. She stayed the night and I had 3 pops for $200 and I was very pleased with that. She gave great head. I had to think of cold showers and baseball to keep from cumming after 30 secs. I will definitely be seeing hear again in a couple weeks. She said she'll bring her Tilted Kilt outfit next time.
I had a fun night with a 23 year old blonde Tilted Kilt waitress that I met off SA last night. She stayed the night and I had 3 pops for $200 and I was very pleased with that. She gave great head. I had to think of cold showers and baseball to keep from cumming after 30 secs. I will definitely be seeing hear again in a couple weeks. She said she'll bring her Tilted Kilt outfit next time.I love those outfits.
I love those outfits.There's just something hot about schoolgirl esque outfits with plaid skirts.
Don't know if you guys saw this, almost too weird to be true. SB gets Mexican boyfriend, and end up duck taping and robbing the SD in the apartment he provided her.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130424/NEWS02/304240102?odyssey=mod
|mostcomHe was a former low-level officeholder so the TV was bound to interview her. I thought she came off looking pretty normal and he came off looking needy. Boy that hurts.
Clinton looked stupid. He never looked needy.
Nobody likes needy.
I wonder if he is stuck on the apartment lease.
TreasureHunter
04-28-13, 02:18
With all this talk of millionaire sugar daddies, I wanted to ask a forum wide question. If you were to come into a large sum of money, millions, would you run your game and approach differently, if so how? Some of you guys would probably just get divorced and move to Sugar Baby Island. LOL!
Member #4103
04-28-13, 10:59
With the type of girl you are describing I can see with all her options why she does what she does. Ivy league Grad. I try to put my focus on lower income exotic girls that don't have the needs that a more financially upscale girl would. I used to date those girls but came to the conclusion they weren't any better looking or better in bed. They may be more educated but I am not looking for esoteric conversations about Chaos Theory or philosophical discourse on Deconstruction. I definitely have to do some fixing up (hair, nails, clothes) when I meet a new girl, but I am cool with that. I like diamonds in the rough. Also their maintenance level after that is a lot less as well. Overall it seems to cost a lot less to get a much greater level of appreciation.
As far as e-volvement. All my regulars want to marry me. Thats the way I like it.But I love chaos theory.
Great point, most of the GPS girls I have run across have been "hi-brow" types. Had one recently that worked a $12 an hour job who was thrilled to session with me for 60 bucks. So I think you are on to something!
PartyTimeGuy
04-28-13, 11:56
Added a keeper today 19, Hispanic, Petite, Spinner, Gymnast, College student, Very intelligent. Likes the adventure and mind games as much or more than the money. $ is satisfactory. Loves sex and can twist up like a pretzel. Makes for unusual positions. Likes to explore and wants to try role playing especially BDSM games. Likes girls too and wants to include a friend some time.
With all this talk of millionaire sugar daddies, I wanted to ask a forum wide question. If you were to come into a large sum of money, millions, would you run your game and approach differently, if so how? Some of you guys would probably just get divorced and move to Sugar Baby Island. LOL!I love these mind games!"What ifs "
I would move to SB Island, Yep! Absolutely true. I would divorce and have 2 or 3 regulars 1 or 2 days / week each, then intersperse a rotation of newbies in and out, in and out Sorry, I got carried away with the thought of it all.
" one recently that worked a $12 an hour job who was thrilled to session with me for 60 bucks." and " $ is satisfactory"
Where do you guys find these cheap dates? I can't get these girls in central Va to give it up for less than $250. I figure one of three things is happening
1) My taste is too high for bottom fishing.
2) I am not as hot as you guys.
3) this area is more competitive and is driving the prices up.
It is probably a combo of the three.
HollywoodGuy
04-29-13, 04:47
With all this talk of millionaire sugar daddies, I wanted to ask a forum wide question. If you were to come into a large sum of money, millions, would you run your game and approach differently, if so how? Some of you guys would probably just get divorced and move to Sugar Baby Island. LOL!Being that I am already the governor of my own SB Island, I guess I would to try my fare out to sea and find some other SB packed retreats
PartyTimeGuy
04-29-13, 07:41
I love these mind games!"What ifs "
I would move to SB Island, Yep! Absolutely true. I would divorce and have 2 or 3 regulars 1 or 2 days / week each, then intersperse a rotation of newbies in and out, in and out Sorry, I got carried away with the thought of it all.
" one recently that worked a $12 an hour job who was thrilled to session with me for 60 bucks." and " $ is satisfactory"
Where do you guys find these cheap dates? I can't get these girls in central Va to give it up for less than $250. I figure one of three things is happening
1) My taste is too high for bottom fishing.
2) I am not as hot as you guys.
3) this area is more competitive and is driving the prices up.
It is probably a combo of the three.I am not "hot" by any stretch of the imagination but I am not ugly either and women do like a nice personality and I have that. SBs who want a lot are like SWs who want a lot or even gfs or wives who want a lot. They just do because that's the way they are. I avoid them. Money is all they want and IMHO if the attitude isn't accommodating then no amount of money will produce it. I have had hot young SWs for an enthusiastic and very enjoyable BJ for 20 bucks. I have enjoyed SBs for hours at a time for 50. $ is my standard donation for a SB date sometimes also including a meal or a little shopping. There is some relationship of money demanded to the way a girl looks but it is not always just about that either. Girls willing to meet my monetary guidelines had the right attitude to start with or were so new to it that they weren't yet jaded enough to think their mouths and pussy were made of gold. Either way is fine with me but nothing substitutes for the right attitude. This is definitely about money but it is about more than money too.
As has been said many times. You just do not know what is going to happen in the bowl. One of the things that keeps it interesting.
So my ATF that left me a couple of weeks ago is gone still. Not the best experience I have ever been through. Because of how great she was in all aspects made her leaving very difficult. She did tell me that she wants to stay in touch and we could do stuff later. But I am not so sure. I may contact her I may not. But I am definitely not going to do anything right away.
REVVOATF: Still going strong. She is as sweet as can be. Does just anything I want her to do. Best blow jobs, enthusiastic and fun to be with. Not like my former ATF but still pretty damn good. On our last visit we spent 5 hours together fucking, sucking, playing napping, went out and got ice cream. It was great. She really seems to be attracted to older men. And I don't know if it is daddy issues since she has a father. Anyway she is tiny and when doing the deep penetration I can feel my dick actually bottoming out. And I am not that big. Just normal size. Never experienced that before.
REVVOPOT1: Gone. Not sure what happened she was good to go with the FC meet. Texted me twice she was ready to visit the FC. I texted her back with time and date, and plans. And poof just like that she vanished. Called her twice over three days. Even sent her an email and nothing. I think she may have gotten cold feet. She is very inexperienced 20yo latina. Cannot say. Oh well on to others. Certainly not as disappointed as I was when my ATF left.
REVVOPOT2: Another young one. 22YO White, cute and sexy and a little cocky. 7/9/8. As usual this rating may change after the meet and greet and then again after she gets fucked. (I can tell you my former ATF went way up on all scales after some quality time tearing that shit up.) But she seems to be fun. A little harder to nail down. She is a server and is ready to do a M&G on Monday at 1pm. We have had a few fun and flirty texts a little light but definitely got the flirt on. She is coming around slowly. She has a sexy body, and a cute smile and attitude. This one needs to be worked slowly.
REVVOPOT3:22 YO AA, thick and juicy. She is a model also. And she has the booty to prove it. Let me tell you she has one power ass. I have seen her work, magazines and music videos, and it is pretty good. This one is a handful. She is sexy attractive, and a killer body, give her a. 7/10/9. I have met her and she is good to go. She likes the $100 per visit thing. Which is a big plus when you are doing multiples. She is also in nursing school. Texts me every day and wants to talk about all the things we are going to do. I am giving her a little. But I do not want to go too far. I found this can spook them before the FC. We are scheduled to get down to it on Tuesday. Man I am going to have to wax that ass good.
REVVOPOT4:22 YO White blond haired green eyed. A little different but very cute. Early to tell. But 8/9/9 at this time. She wants to meet and looks like she is a hairdresser. Kind of on the mellow side conversing we are still trying to get a date and time. But I am shooting for next Wednesday. This one is not 100% there so I will have to muster my skills to get her to the FC. Very much an amateur dipping her toe in the water. We shall see.
Others: There have been at least four others that I have either not contacted or decided to let go. For a couple of reasons. They were a little less good looking. 5 thru 7 max, and they seemed to be wandering into NANDO1 territory. Plus I only have so much time and money. I am a bit picky, I like attractive women. I think this is why I have a harder time than some.
Traveling with the babies. So I have talked with my current ATF about going on a trip soon. I am going to be out of town on business and have her come in at the end of the week and stay with me for a couple of days extra. Any advice on doing this. I know Subcommander and maybe FSCOTT have been down this road. Security concerns? Things to not do?
Thanks guys.
Lets be careful out there.
Revvo
I see you guys reporting regularly I have been more into professionals would like to try this see if I am successful, have membership not paid in sb. Com site all I get is older, can I get some guidance need some college girls with out going bankrupt.
S2568
can I get some guidance need some college girls with out going bankrupt.
S2568College girls go to the head of the class (pun intended ). They aren't everyone's cup of tea but they generally are smart, cute, and unspoiled yet if you catch them before their pussies get plated with gold and silver. SA dot com seems to be the best consistent source of College SBs. They are marked and certified as such. My ATF ATF came from SBFM though so you never know where you will luck into a SB with the right attitude for you.
I am currently seeing my new ATF who is an elderly upper 20s. The only thing I see different from the 18 to 22 yr old group is a more mature way of looking at things. They look just as hot and young. There is less drama since she has her own place and there is no issue with flea bag notels. She uses my $$ for clothes, and she likes to dress up and go out to dinner.
I recommend 25 to 30 age group, never married, no children, gainfully employed, owns a car, has her own place / no room mates, and professes to need money for the "extras" in life rather than the necessities. Most of my SBs are not sex maniacs, which suits me fine. I like teaching them what I like and I don't want her to be trolling the sites to get her daily bang when I am not available for her. Nymphos are fun but they need more than most guys can give them. In fact, these girls I like are usually size 0 to 2 and all are tight. I have to be very slow and gentle to start or I seem to hurt them.
I see you guys reporting regularly I have been more into professionals would like to try this see if I am successful, have membership not paid in sb. Com site all I get is older, can I get some guidance need some college girls with out going bankrupt.
S2568How about grammar, sentance structure and puncuation? Good grief.
Strict
How about grammar, sentence structure and punctuation? Good grief.
StrictWe are a fairly literary bunch, are we not? As always, newbies are encouraged to read the thread from the start. Most, if not all, answers are there.
Scott
HollywoodGuy
04-29-13, 15:25
How about grammar, sentance structure and puncuation? Good grief.
StrictSentance / sentence.
Puncuation / punctuation
The best advice has already been given. But let me reiterate a few things.
1. Read the entire thread from begining to end. It will help tremendously and it is very very entertaining. There were times when I could not put it down.
2. This hobby is work. This is not like picking up a phone and ordering an escort like a bucket of chicken. These babies do cost money, but there are many hoops you need to go through before you land a SB. Especially a good one.
3. Be ready to look at this like dating to a certain extent. I would even say this is more difficult than regular dating. In fact if I wasnt married I would not be doing this. I would go the conventional dating route.
4. Be very careful. You can run into some really crazy people out there. They can fuck your life up. Read the posts on security carefully. These are hard won lessons.
5. But when it is good. It is awesome. The connection, the sex, the non controlling with the right baby, can rock your world. No risk no reward.
Lets be careful out there.
Revvo
Gentlemen,
In a fit of boredom, and perhaps to see what color the grass was in a slightly different yard, I signed up today for a 3 day trial membership with SD4Me. I know, I know, I was one of their harshest critics, but my motives were two-fold: I have met some outstanding babies on SA, have let my profile there expire, and don't really want to have them see me logging on just at the moment. Two of them are delicate little newbies, and I want to solidify my place (between their legs) before some other local shark comes along and messes it up for me. One of them, my potential new ATF, I know has already strayed from the sheltering pool that I created for her, got a glimpse of the depravity that lurks just beyond the drop-off, and has come swimming back at top speed. My other motive was to see if there were different, or the same, babies on both sites.
In any event, I signed up, as I said, for a 3 day trial run, using a gift card that had a few dollars left on it, and have been busily sending out messages to pretty much any baby that caught my eye, or Scottie's. In my text, I urge them to contact me at my yahoo Sugar email, but so far, no joy! My question to those who prefer SD4Me is this: if I only have a trial membership, can the babies read my emails? There was some language in the legal boilerplate about needing to upgrade to even be able to send emails, but that does not seem to be my issue. I look in my outbox, and there they all are, but none have been read, even to babies that the site states are ONLINE NOW! If I need to be patient, I can be, but I just want to be sure I'm not missing some fine point that will render me more successful.
Interstingly enough, there have only been about 4 overlaps of babies with SA. I don't know what that means, but I'll keep trying to figure it out.
Thank you for any intel you supply. I'm sure it will be helpful to more than me.
Waiting,
Scott
HollywoodGuy
04-29-13, 18:54
Gentlemen,
In a fit of boredom, and perhaps to see what color the grass was in a slightly different yard, I signed up today for a 3 day trial membership with SD4Me. I know, I know, I was one of their harshest critics, but my motives were two-fold: I have met some outstanding babies on SA, have let my profile there expire, and don't really want to have them see me logging on just at the moment. Two of them are delicate little newbies, and I want to solidify my place (between their legs) before some other local shark comes along and messes it up for me. One of them, my potential new ATF, I know has already strayed from the sheltering pool that I created for her, got a glimpse of the depravity that lurks just beyond the drop-off, and has come swimming back at top speed. My other motive was to see if there were different, or the same, babies on both sites.
In any event, I signed up, as I said, for a 3 day trial run, using a gift card that had a few dollars left on it, and have been busily sending out messages to pretty much any baby that caught my eye, or Scottie's. In my text, I urge them to contact me at my yahoo Sugar email, but so far, no joy! My question to those who prefer SD4Me is this: if I only have a trial membership, can the babies read my emails? There was some language in the legal boilerplate about needing to upgrade to even be able to send emails, but that does not seem to be my issue. I look in my outbox, and there they all are, but none have been read, even to babies that the site states are ONLINE NOW! If I need to be patient, I can be, but I just want to be sure I'm not missing some fine point that will render me more successful.
Interstingly enough, there have only been about 4 overlaps of babies with SA. I don't know what that means, but I'll keep trying to figure it out.
Thank you for any intel you supply. I'm sure it will be helpful to more than me.
Waiting,
ScottSB's on SD4ME can not message you back through the system until you are a member. If you look in your out box you can see if they read your message or not. I just sent a test email to my roommates account with my email address in it. Its not blocked (but I am a member). But most girls initially want to reply through the site as it is much faster and easier. Also you don't have any street cred with them if you are not a gold member.
SB's on SD4ME can not message you back through the system until you are a member. If you look in your out box you can see if they read your message or not. I just sent a test email to my roommates account with my email address in it. Its not blocked (but I am a member). But most girls initially want to reply through the site as it is much faster and easier. Also you don't have any street cred with them if you are not a gold member.Hollywood,
I appreciate the info. I have a green dot card for just such contingencies, so I will sign up as a paying member, and see what happens. My card only has $50 on it, as I have learned my lesson with SD4Me before and how hard it is to cancel their ongoing billing.
I will, of course, report back with anything of value that I learn.
Scott
Hollywood,
I appreciate the info. I have a green dot card for just such contingencies, so I will sign up as a paying member, and see what happens. My card only has $50 on it, as I have learned my lesson with SD4Me before and how hard it is to cancel their ongoing billing.
I will, of course, report back with anything of value that I learn.
ScottAlso, you have to do the 'total access' thing if you want women who are non-members to have the ability to contact you.
Also, you have to do the 'total access' thing if you want women who are non-members to have the ability to contact you.Good grief, who knew it was so complicated!
Thank you, Spit! If only the babies were so prompt!
Scott
Sentance / sentence.
Puncuation / punctuationI hate those tiny buttons and being blind. Sucks.
(Thanks Hollywood)
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