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I get it you got surprised and caught with the little head doing the thinking. But, please dude, in the future no I'd, no phone number, no name. Protect yourself and stay safe.Or, please dude, for your sake, don't hire for a woman for sex, ever again.
She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.
She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.
The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.
As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.
Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.
Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.Once again, SHE chose to get in and keep doing it. Not a cold reply, it's the truth. Now you want to label her as a victim. She's just as guilty as the dirty men.
Once again, SHE chose to get in and keep doing it. Not a cold reply, it's the truth. Now you want to label her as a victim. She's just as guilty as the dirty men.Neither of them is guilty of anything. She exchanged her time and skills for money. We all do this.
I suspect that she was angling for something with her story, potentially got busted and was trying to work her way out of it by claiming mental distress. Maybe writing a book. Its all crap. She wasn't harmed, no one forced her to do anything she wished to do. To call it traumatic is a load of crap. Trauma is when you remember the bombs going landing next to your foxhole.
Trauma is when you are forced or injured. That's PTSD. Trauma is not when you voluntarily do something and then claim mental distress due to the bullshit social stigma that you have a choice to accept or deny.
Liberty is the key here.
Cheech.
Member #6192
08-11-22, 07:57
She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.
She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.
The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.
As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.
Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.
Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.It's almost like they should have a union, protections and workers rights. If only there was a way to do that.
She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.
She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.
The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.
As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.
Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.
Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.So you're a nordic model supporter. I would almost agree with you besides for the jail time thing. I'd be ok with it if it was decriminalized with like a 2000 dollar fine. That way the courts get their money but the courts also arent controlling people's lives. I don't find the fine part unreasonable, the record and the probation bullshit is though. And again, case by case basis. Just because some women have harmful effects doesn't mean they should be put in orange and doesn't mean that several don't enjoy what they do and should suffer because of what happened to someone else. I am glad I played the game the way I did, I took steps to make sure I wasnt dealing with anyone forced into it. Some, such as my friend who used to be a career criminal, think it should be illegal and argue for the view that "if you knew it was illegal and you're going to do it, don't get caught" because most escorts and dudes for that matter don't get caught anyway. I don't necessarily disagree with that, because the stings generally nab ladies who are either unsavvy or are desperate for a fix, but still doesn't factor in that some shouldn't be arrested especially with lack of evidence or solely based on using a certain website and the cops banking on them confessing to what they "think" she is going to do. So some could argue just leave it the way it is, I see the point of survival of the fittest too. In my prime of mongering, I knew my odds of running into a sting were low, but the guys who get caught get cocky and know that their odds are low so they don't take precautions and blindly walk into these operations, or they are just stupid. My view was much more refined, I said well, I know I have a half a percent chance of walking into a bust, and did what I needed to do and educated myself on the busts to make that half a percent chance maybe 0.00000001 percent.
I dont feel bad for the scumbags who are out there beating women, who i feel for and look out for is the poor bastard nice guy who gets fucked over by his wife in divorce court and she gets with a woman beating thug while hes paying alimony, he has never done this and has no idea about this world and tries it for the first time because hes depressed, gets arrested, and gets put on the news for a political stunt and it says "human trafficking" in the headlines. And id be willing to say a solid chunk of those guys maybe 40 percent in the busts are in the exact scenario that i painted. Or just dorky guys like I was in my early 20s and still am in many ways looking for some fun. Do those types of dudes deserve jail and a record? hell no, the woman beaters do!
C92.
JeanJizzes
08-11-22, 09:09
Or, please dude, for your sake, don't hire for a woman for sex, ever again.Oh ya. I think I'm done for a while. Haven't been this rattled in a while. I sought some legal advice and it's highly unlikely anything will come of it and the apartment said they keep those records for 4 months then dispose of them through a document shredding vendor. Statue of limitations is 2 years so I guess I'll be antsy for another 23 months lmao.
Member #6192
08-11-22, 10:34
Oh ya. I think I'm done for a while. Haven't been this rattled in a while. I sought some legal advice and it's highly unlikely anything will come of it and the apartment said they keep those records for 4 months then dispose of them through a document shredding vendor. Statue of limitations is 2 years so I guess I'll be antsy for another 23 months lmao.You're going to be antsy for 2 years for trying to sell a TV to this woman?
Oh ya. I think I'm done for a while. Haven't been this rattled in a while. I sought some legal advice and it's highly unlikely anything will come of it and the apartment said they keep those records for 4 months then dispose of them through a document shredding vendor. Statue of limitations is 2 years so I guess I'll be antsy for another 23 months lmao.If you werent caught in the act, you're fine. There is so much other stuff that your exchange "could " have occurred for that nothing would ever hold up in court. and if it was a cash transaction, the evidence is probably either up her nose already or already spent on necessities. The only after the fact case that ever occurred was WV senator Maroney. He is a senator and someone wanted his job, that is why it happened, we are peons. that also occurred in a small county with no crime whatsoever, somewhere any logical monger would never dream of going. And he wasnt convicted because there is no way to prove what actually happened, unless you are talking to a UC in a sting, for all they know it could have been a pretend prostitution skit you guys were acting out. That being said, dont give your ID again LOL.
https://wtov9.com/news/local/west-virginia-sen-mike-maroney-arrested-as-part-of-prostitution-ring
https://www.theintelligencer.net/news/top-headlines/2021/03/solicitation-charges-dropped-against-state-senator-mike-maroney/
C92.
JeanJizzes
08-11-22, 11:25
If you werent caught in the act, you're fine. There is so much other stuff that your exchange "could " have occurred for that nothing would ever hold up in court. and if it was a cash transaction, the evidence is probably either up her nose already or already spent on necessities. The only after the fact case that ever occurred was WV senator Maroney. He is a senator and someone wanted his job, that is why it happened, we are peons. that also occurred in a small county with no crime whatsoever, somewhere any logical monger would never dream of going. And he wasnt convicted because there is no way to prove what actually happened, unless you are talking to a UC in a sting, for all they know it could have been a pretend prostitution skit you guys were acting out. That being said, dont give your ID again LOL. .Thanks chunks LOL. Dumb on my part for sure. And ya the cash is spent and the more I thought about it like they'd have to subpoena the burner text app and all sorts of bill shit which to even track the IP you'd have to go through a mess of shit to even know it was assigned to me. Just totally outweighs the fine and the misdemeanor. Going to be much careful moving forward and probably taking an extended break from seeing providers. Especially after what happened to that guy in Lakewood, I always stuck to the west burbs thinking it was a little safer. Guess not.
Once again, SHE chose to get in and keep doing it. Not a cold reply, it's the truth. Now you want to label her as a victim. She's just as guilty as the dirty men.Once again, you fail to grasp what she wrote.
Her choice did not include getting PTSD.
You are coldly refusing to admit that reality.
So you're a nordic model supporterI don't favor any model.
I favor guys looking at the research, and making an honest review of their own behavior.
Once again, you fail to grasp what she wrote.
Her choice did not include getting PTSD.
You are coldly refusing to admit that reality.It took her 10 yrs to realize? Really, after servicing 1000's of men and making more per hour than any of us because, she has a pussy? That's the reality. You don't want guys to buy it, don't have the women offer it. Btw, she CHOSE to offer an illegal service. Whos fault is that?
It's almost like they should have a union, protections and workers rights. If only there was a way to do that.It would likely require some private entity (brothel) as employer for a union or government agency to assure protections and rights.
In the Netherlands, if not in other countries that have legalized it, there is dissatisfaction among independent sex workers about protections and rights.
https://humanityinaction.org/knowledge_detail/the-audacity-of-tolerance-a-critical-analysis-of-legalized-prostitution-in-amsterdams-red-light-district/
It took her 10 yrs to realize?Indeed, it did.
That's the nature of PTSD.
You don't want guys to buy it, don't have the women offer itNyet.
Research shows reducing or abolishing demand is most effective in ending it.
Btw, she CHOSE to offer an illegal serviceBTW, her male clients made the choice to buy it.
No buyers = no business.
Who's fault is thatHer male clients are responsible.
Men do not escape responsibility because she offered an illegal service.
Offering an illegal service does not make the service recipient immune from culpability.
It took her 10 yrs to realize? Really, after servicing 1000's of men and making more per hour than any of us
Neither the number she serviced nor her earnings are revealed by her statement.
Quit paying for it and you'll feel less angry.
Indeed, it did.
That's the nature of PTSD.
Nyet.
Research shows reducing or abolishing demand is most effective in ending it.
BTW, her male clients made the choice to buy it.
No buyers = no business.
Her male clients are responsible.
Men do not escape responsibility because she offered an illegal service.
Offering an illegal service does not make the service recipient immune from culpability.I like the breakdowns. Very clever. So it's the buyer's fault that the seller offered a service? If I go to an all you can eat, gorge and puke, it's the buffet's fault? Nyet.
If I go to an all you can eat, gorge and puke, it's the buffet's fault? Nyet.A buffet is not an illegal service.
Paying for sex is.
I like the breakdowns. Very clever. So it's the buyer's fault that the seller offered a service? If I go to an all you can eat, gorge and puke, it's the buffet's fault? Nyet.You're not wrong, I'm not wrong, Sustar isn't wrong either. Some of the escorts love what they do, some don't. It really all depends. It really is our responsibility to make sure we arent dealing with anyone forced into it, and its the elite's responsibility to leave the women who enjoy what they are doing alone and focus on helping those being forced. Takes more then a 20 minute interview to do that, especially right after someone has been arrested. And thats about all they give before they decide if the escort is arrested or not. Ive had conversations with escorts that have been arrested and they have given me a lot of insight to how it actually goes down. The whole mantra of "they all are trafficking victims" started when the cops started doing interviews. Of course they are going to blame it on someone else, of course they are going to look for any excuse in the book when they are on the hot seat, because most people don't know their rights because they don't teach you that in education so very few know that. If they would have shut up, they would have been acquitted.
Trauma is not when you voluntarily do something and then claim mental distressHer words:
"There was no single scene of violence in my experience of prostitution though; the assault came from the layers of intrusion built up over time. ".
She was dealing with her symptoms (depression, among others mentioned), likely with her therapist, and discovered their source.
That is, layers of intrusion built up over time.
Her statement doesn't reveal she's made any "claim" or other demand for compensation from anyone.
Her discovery reveals how prostitution affected her health.
It's something for men to be aware of, the next time they pay a provider, and walk away believing no harm done.
It really is our responsibility . . . Congrats.
You get it.
My hat's off to you again!
Her words:
"There was no single scene of violence in my experience of prostitution though; the assault came from the layers of intrusion built up over time. ".
She was dealing with her symptoms (depression, among others mentioned), likely with her therapist, and discovered their source.
That is, layers of intrusion built up over time.
Her statement doesn't reveal she's made any "claim" or other demand for compensation from anyone.
Her discovery reveals how prostitution affected her health.
It's something for men to be aware of, the next time they pay a provider, and walk away believing no harm done.So because this happened to her, its ok that, another woman who thoroughly enjoys what they do should be arrested in her place for some political innuendo? Case by case basis, Sustar. Would be much better for our society if it wasnt so cut and dry as legal / illegal. More people who are suffering could be helped that way too.
Just because I like steak, doesn't mean you or anyone is expected to like it. Also doesn't mean I should be arrested for liking steak because you or some random guy up the street doesn't like steak.
Congrats.
You get it.
My hat's off to you again!
i do appreciate your insight. im not dismissive of anyones views just because they happen to differ from mine, i look for the why behind the what before i make that call. if you took the best aspects out of both of our ideas, boom, we have utopia.
So because this happened to her, its ok that, another woman who thoroughly enjoys what they do should be arrested in her placeNever made any comment about that.
You're getting far ahead of me.
Also doesn't mean I should be arrested for liking steak because you or some random guy up the street doesn't like steakHave all the steak you can afford.
I've met very few who don't like it.
Never made any comment about that.
You're getting far ahead of me.
Have all the steak you can afford.
I've met very few who don't like it.Never said you made a comment about it, but that's what happens in the stings! If you want to see the best of all worlds, acquit the consenting sex workers and focus on rescuing actual victims. Every dollar and moment spent on prosecuting a consenting adult sex worker is a waste, when actual victims could be rescued with those funds and time. Case by case.
. . .that's what happens in the stingsIf one doesn't offer money for sex, there's no sting.
The only sting I liked was the 1963 Corvette.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15145912/1963-chevrolet-corvette-sting-ray-road-test/
Cleve Loser
08-11-22, 21:02
If one doesn't offer money for sex, there's no sting.
The only sting I liked was the 1963 Corvette.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15145912/1963-chevrolet-corvette-sting-ray-road-test/If the needs of these women are provided for, then theres no offer. Giving them drugs, a room, and whatever would be cheaper and safer than prostitution. But you arent actually interested in helping them in that fashion. You just want to punish others.
Neither the number she serviced nor her earnings are revealed by her statement.
Quit paying for it and you'll feel less angry.Or what I think we should do is stop paying attention to you and your preaching. There's a street corner somewhere you can offer your opinions. If that doesn't work, you could try "working" the corner instead.
Or what I think we should do is stop paying attention to youFar more palatable than having the courage to face the music.
You'll carry responsibility for buying sex to your grave, whether you accept it or not.
There's a street corner somewhere you can offer your opinions. If that doesn't work, you could try "working" the corner instead.There's a back alley where the trash dumpster sits.
It's the proper venue to play at having authority over online forum participation.
I'll be posting here until the administration says otherwise.
If the needs of these women are provided for, then theres no offer. Giving them drugs, a room, and whatever would be cheaper and safer than prostitutionProviding education, employment training, and supportive services so vulnerable women can avoid criminality has been proposed.
"Giving them drugs" is never a remedy.
You just want to punish othersThe research shows that men hurt themselves and others by engaging in sex for hire.
Less hurtful to buy a male masturbator.
ThrobbinWood
08-12-22, 08:17
Far more palatable than having the courage to face the music.
You'll carry responsibility for buying sex to your grave, whether you accept it or not.
There's a back alley where the trash dumpster sits.
It's the proper venue to play at having authority over online forum participation.
I'll be posting here until the administration says otherwise.https://tenor.com/view/clint-barton-bored-tired-jeremy-renner-gif-13795195
So because this happened to her, its ok that, another woman who thoroughly enjoys what they do should be arrested in her place for some political innuendo?Should there be objection to a mutually consensual agreement, between two adults, to exchange money for sex?
If we say that a woman is consenting to have sexual intercourse with a stranger, what should we mean?
Minimally, she made a conscious decision, free and self-chosen; she understood what she was consenting to; she had some reasonable alternative (other than homelessness, hunger, deprivation).
She is an adult, who knows what she's doing, is in charge of herself, can quit if she wants to, but has chosen to make money this way.
A controlling, dominating, brutal pimp or john is never a part of her life.
So the answer is that adults do generally have the right to make their own decisions, bad or good, if they aren't hurting anyone else.
On the other hand, probably no one would ever be pleased to learn that their own daughter, mother, sister, or partner has been involved in prostitution.
Apart from that, the reason there is opposition to prostitution is that most prostitution occurs under circumstances that are totally un-like the consensual version described above.
Research has found that women used in prostitution did not make an informed, adult decision.
Another finding is that a large percent of prostituted women had been previously sexually abused as children.
So are there no exceptions?
Are there no women who could do something else to survive, who have choices, but prefer sell themselves for sex?
Difficult to deny that there are at least some.
However, this group is very far from the reality of what happens to the majority of young women and girls who are swept into prostitution.
The question then becomes should public policy and laws be based on these ideal consensual situations, highly un-like the non-consensual ordeals of the majority of women engaged in prostitution?
https://tenor.com/view/clint-barton-bored-tired-jeremy-renner-gif-13795195https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-a-little-boredom-could-be-good-for-your-relationship-1456167350
https://www.harleytherapy.co.uk/counselling/psychological-meaning-of-boredom.htm
Should there be objection to a mutually consensual agreement, between two adults, to exchange money for sex?
If we say that a woman is consenting to have sexual intercourse with a stranger, what should we mean?
Minimally, she made a conscious decision, free and self-chosen; she understood what she was consenting to; she had some reasonable alternative (other than homelessness, hunger, deprivation).
She is an adult, who knows what she's doing, is in charge of herself, can quit if she wants to, but has chosen to make money this way.
A controlling, dominating, brutal pimp or john is never a part of her life.
So the answer is that adults do generally have the right to make their own decisions, bad or good, if they aren't hurting anyone else.
On the other hand, probably no one would ever be pleased to learn that their own daughter, mother, sister, or partner has been involved in prostitution.
Apart from that, the reason there is opposition to prostitution is that most prostitution occurs under circumstances that are totally un-like the consensual version described above.
Research has found that women used in prostitution did not make an informed, adult decision.
Another finding is that a large percent of prostituted women had been previously sexually abused as children.
So are there no exceptions?
Are there no women who could do something else to survive, who have choices, but prefer sell themselves for sex?
Difficult to deny that there are at least some.
However, this group is very far from the reality of what happens to the majority of young women and girls who are swept into prostitution.
The question then becomes should public policy and laws be based on these ideal consensual situations, highly un-like the non-consensual ordeals of the majority of women engaged in prostitution?I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. If that's the case, then again, focus on the actual trafficking situations. My preference is ladies in their late 30's and 40's, and the few ladies I've seen in their 20's are intelligent enough to not let some goon control their lives, more then can be said for a lot of white collar women LOL. So it makes sense why I haven't seen any ladies in a bad situation or being forced, nor would I. My good friend was busted a while back and she's in her mid 40's. No pimps, no bullshit. Society gained nothing from that arrest, and the law has no business telling me, that a 30 year old man and a 45 year old woman can't fuck. Its holding her back in life to this day, because of a politically charged operation that Yost said was "rescuing women. " I get what you're saying on public policy, but if youre gonna spend the money on the operation focus on what matters to get the most out of that investment, not running some bullshit operation that snares just anyone who happens to be unfortunate enough to show up, gives them a 20 minute interview, and the cops then make their decisions on how to control their life. All of a sudden magically after 20 minutes they think that gives them the right and they have enough knowledge of this persons personal life to entitle themselves to be their judge jury and executioner and to control every aspect of a grown womans life. its a joke! Also by running these fish in a barrel operations, they miss the actual point of their operations themselves, not dedicating the time to those who actually need to be rescued. I will say I could be incorrect in part of my ideas, they could be getting rescues / arrests off Craigslist or something other then SKG and maybe arent focusing on arresting solely the consenting ladies on SKG for their political innuendo. I wouldn't know, I don't use Craigslist and I'm not a scumbag like some of those dudes they get who offer 20 bucks. But in general, the current model of the operations needs serious refining. But thanks for at least trying to be open to understanding my point of view. Again, we both have valid points, a happy medium would be the best solution. But instead our government would rather spend our money on fueling mass incarceration.
Cleve Loser
08-12-22, 18:10
Once again, you fail to grasp what she wrote.
Her choice did not include getting PTSD.
You are coldly refusing to admit that reality.Do you realize how many people get some form of PTSD from their shit jobs in our country? The idea that you can be fired for anything or nothing and you need to cater to every whim of your boss or coworker or you end up on the street and your dependents go without food is terrible. And for most of those jobs there is no sex or sexual exploitation (for many there is).
Just read about the horror stories from Starbucks workers who proly get treated better than most.
You act like this is different when these women make a ton more money and don't need to answer to nearly as many scumbags.
Regardless, it still boils down to you wanting to assign blame and punishment. If you wanted to "solve" the "problem" of sex for money then the answer is simple. Pay the ****** enough money and drugs that they don't need to *****. It would be way cheaper than what it already costs in terms of cops, stings, prosecutors, juries, etc.
My good friend was busted a while back and she's in her mid 40's . . . because of a politically charged operation that Yost said was "rescuing womenI am sorry that your friend was arrested.
Society gained nothing from that arrest, and the law has no business telling me . . . .I don't know enough about the details of the operation in general to provide a comment, but I believe your account of unfairness for your friend.
. . . But in general, the current model of the operations needs serious refiningIt should be scrutinized.
Too bad that Ohio legislators don't take a greater interest in oversight of Yost's trafficking interdiction.
But thanks for at least trying to be open to understanding my point of viewThank you for sharing your experience and views, and reading my comments.
Again, we both have valid points, a happy medium would be the best solution. But instead our government would rather spend our money on fueling mass incarcerationI'd like to think that open discussion in this forum could lead to greater scrutiny of the issues in Columbus.
They do listen there, but the voices they hear must be many and clear.
Do you realize how many people get some form of PTSD from their shit jobs in our countryWorking conditions were worse at the beginning of the 20th century.
There's been progress since then, but obviously not enough.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/labor-law-highlights-1915-2015.htm
How many people do you know personally that were diagnosed with PTSD as a result of working conditions at their jobs?
The idea that you can be fired for anything or nothing and you need to cater to every whim of your boss or coworker or you end up on the street. . .That's true of almost every job in America, isn't it?
What would be your ideal job and / or employer?
You act like this is different when these women make a ton more money and don't need to answer to nearly as many scumbagsAre you paying more for sex than you can afford?
What keeps you from quitting?
Regardless, it still boils down to you wanting to assign blame and punishmentStudies indicate that men who buy sex play a large role in harming the women.
Why should those studies be ignored?
If you wanted to "solve" the "problem" of sex for money then the answer is simple. Pay the ****** enough money and drugs that they don't need to *****. It would be way cheaper than what it already costs in terms of cops, stings, prosecutors, juries, etc.Thank you for sharing your view.
Just a reference to an interesting read about related issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_Punishment
You act like this is different when these women make a ton more money and don't need to answer to nearly as many scumbagsHow many workers in ordinary jobs do you know who get physically assaulted in their jobs?
How many do you know that don't get paid overtime for hours over 8 / day or 40 / week?
Isn't having sex about an expression of love?
Do you love the women you're with?
If so, why do you resent their earnings?
How many workers in ordinary jobs do you know who get physically assaulted in their jobs?
How many do you know that don't get paid overtime for hours over 8 / day or 40 / week?
Isn't having sex about an expression of love?
Do you love the women you're with?
If so, why do you resent their earnings?In addition to my pro hobby views, I am also quite the snake charmer of the nasty cobra that is human resources departments in the United States. Cleve is on the money on what goes on in menial positions in our country. I had a shitbag boss that tried to bribe a co worker into a promotion if she fucked him. She refused, I started dating the same woman, him and his cronies made up a bunch of bullshit that I was stealing money and hitting on a co worker and they got me sent me to HR. HR tried to get me to squeal on everything that went on at that store location, as she suspected drug usage which was factual but I am no snitch. I would not say a word about any of my boss's bullshit or admit to any of the false allegations. I said verbatim: "I refuse to tell you anything about what goes on here, its not hard, you should be able to figure it out. What this is about, is that I have started a relationship with a co worker and I have a target on me because of it, ill hold myself accountable for that, I have another job lined up, if you're going to fire me, fire me. " Turns out it was a low ranking crackhead manager that was doing the stealing and they got fired. Of course there would have been no proof on either the shit bag or me with regards to the situation with our female co worker, and by me not talking I actually kept my job in another store with the same company in exchange for a low level write up and got a dollar raise. Karma came my old boss's way, he was under scrutiny for the duration of his career there and he had to take a management position elsewhere paying less, and I would eventually move to a job paying more money then his old position when we worked together. And I did not rat him out or say a word about any of his actions, he was so stunned that I knew how to navigate HR as he was 40 and I was merely 24 at that time he was essentially humiliated by his whole staff. And me and the lady in question are still friends to this day.
This sort of thing happens in all jobs in society. Below is an article that shows that, unfortunate because the guy in question I actually quite enjoy his press conferences and think hes a pretty well spoken bloke. Could be factual, might be made up. Did he do it? Did he not? There is really no way to prove one way or the other when it comes to HR, HR is a nasty beast and they do whatever they feel necessary so they have to do the least amount of work, which is bullshit because so many livelihoods are on the chopping block and they are responsible for it solely based on what they "feel like doing that day. ". It could have been something as simple as him asking her out, (nothing wrong with that, romance happens in the work place all the time) and her taking it to an extreme to try to get paid. Or conversely, he could have been a dick. Or it could have been just a misunderstanding. We never will really know.
https://www.vindy.com/news/local-news/2021/06/ex-deputy-sues-county-over-sexual-harassment/
If all men learned to conduct themselves properly, prostitution is much less exploitative then the work force. I've seen it first hand, in some of the most menial positions. Ever been a dishwasher or janitor? Shit is foul. But I do what I got to do to survive because autistic individuals are 90 percent of the time overlooked in society, even if they are savants like myself.
Good karma comes when you don't rat anyone out, or try to get them in trouble for low ranking petty bullshit. Yost should probably take notes and next time he decides to pass a bill, pass it to increase penalties on scumbags, not increase penalties on grown men meeting grown women like he did with HB 431. That would have been much better legislation, I think we all can agree on that.
Are you aware, that the mercer county drug task force chief got 60 days in jail for the misdemeanor charges, meanwhile the scumbag cuyahoga prosecutor got booked and released, a reduced charge, and 0 jail time for a heinous felony, both arrested by the same agency? Everyone in America should be aware of this travesty.
Now he did have a phenomenal attorney, the attorney in question is an absolute sorcerer, in addition to getting that charge reduced, he also got his client the lone reduction to disorderly conduct in the 9/21/2017 sting in one of the most vicious jurisdictions for misdemeanants in the state while everyone else in that sting was convicted on original third degree misdemeanor charges. But still despite this attorneys skills, how can a judge, prosecutor, anyone, be OK with reducing this heinous charge, a felony of the fifth degree, and be so aggressive with prosecuting petty third degree misdemeanors instead? And they hid that from the general public in the news BTW, I only know because I follow the cases on the docket sheets. Everyone should be offended by this including the high ranking cops themselves! But nobody talks about it!
C92.
Chunks, I'll tell you and the rest of us how, in my opinion, the legal system generally works. I gathered this through my experience which with all due respect I will not detail due to the fact that it would narrow down my identity a great deal.
Lawyers are all part of a cabal. From this cabal come the politicians (for the most part) who make the laws, the prosecutors who prosecute the laws, and the judges who impose sentences. They are all in bed together.
Defense lawyers get with the prosecutors and work out deals. In my experience, the defense lawyers give up their poorer clients in order to obtain favorable results for their clients who can pay outrageous fees. You know some of these guys ate charging $5,000 PER felony charged? And some of these guys are getting way more than that, depending on the case. Meanwhile, the poor schmuck who can't pay tens of thousands goes to the joint.
Not every lawyer does this, but most. Also, you can look up a case called Apprendi vs. United states, US Supreme court. It says a judge can't base sentencing on factors he decides without those factors being proven to a jury. Ohio requires those factors to be decided on by a judge to impose more than a minimum sentence or to impose anything other than concurrent sentences. Well, in fact in Ohio the judge does make those decisions, and as a result there are probably 20000 guys unconstitutionally imprisoned in Ohio. But the courts here ignore it, and you can't get a lawyer to take it up the chain. Its a really fucked up situation.
Cheech.
I refuse to tell you anything about what goes on here . . . Good karma comes when you don't rat anyone out, or try to get them in trouble for low ranking petty bullshit Better to claim ignorance.
Refusal can be interpreted as insolence if not insubordination.
Otherwise a good practice for a worker when asked about a specific situation by HR.
You are to be commended.
My specific question in the previous post was how many workers in ordinary jobs do you know who get physically assaulted in their jobs.
I would suggest that LE officers may be routinely exposed to physical assault on the job.
I would also suggest that based on the stats from scholarly research studies, women selling sex are more likely to be exposed to physical assault than cops.
If all men learned to conduct themselves properly, prostitution is much less exploitative then the work force
I am skeptical that enough men can be taught proper conduct to make a difference.
The numbers derived from scholarly research about men who buy sex suggest otherwise.
I haven't seen any numbers about recidivism among men who completed "john school".
There is no doubt that workers are frequently mistreated and often cannot readily get another job lined up.
Full employment, when anyone who wanted to work would almost instantly have multiple job opportunities, began to erode after the early 1960's.
The problem is there are only a handful of states that recognize a public policy exception to employment-at-will.
The exception is an employer can't fire an employee if the employer violates the state's public policy or a state or federal statute.
As always, it's never an easy trek for the employee who attempts to apply the exception to his circumstances.
Yost should probably take notes and next time he decides to pass a bill, pass it to increase penalties on scumbagsThe problem with Yost is that the Ohio legislature is controlled by Republicans who support him and almost never question his actions.
The same appears to be the case with the electorate in Ohio, making Yost the overwhelming favorite for AG re-election and future gubernatorial candidate.
Everyone should be offended by this including the high ranking cops themselves! But nobody talks about itFew Ohio voters appear to care about it, if they are even aware of it.
That is most unfortunate and sad.
you can look up a case called Apprendi vs. United states, US Supreme court. It says a judge can't base sentencing on factors he decides without those factors being proven to a jury. Ohio requires those factors to be decided on by a judge to impose more than a minimum sentence or to impose anything other than concurrent sentences. Well, in fact in Ohio the judge does make those decisions
FYI:
Apprendi v. New Jersey, 530 USA 466,120 S. Ct. 2348 (2000)
https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/casebrief/p/casebrief-apprendi-v-new-jersey
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/530/466.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprendi_v._New_Jersey
The Ohio Supreme Court reviewed four cases in light of Apprendi.
State v. Foster, 109 Ohio St. 3 d 1, 2006-Ohio-856 (2006)
https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2006/2006-Ohio-856.pdf
Chunks, I'll tell you and the rest of us how, in my opinion, the legal system generally works. I gathered this through my experience which with all due respect I will not detail due to the fact that it would narrow down my identity a great deal.
Lawyers are all part of a cabal. From this cabal come the politicians (for the most part) who make the laws, the prosecutors who prosecute the laws, and the judges who impose sentences. They are all in bed together.
Defense lawyers get with the prosecutors and work out deals. In my experience, the defense lawyers give up their poorer clients in order to obtain favorable results for their clients who can pay outrageous fees. You know some of these guys ate charging $5,000 PER felony charged? And some of these guys are getting way more than that, depending on the case. Meanwhile, the poor schmuck who can't pay tens of thousands goes to the joint.
Not every lawyer does this, but most. Also, you can look up a case called Apprendi vs. United states, US Supreme court. It says a judge can't base sentencing on factors he decides without those factors being proven to a jury. Ohio requires those factors to be decided on by a judge to impose more than a minimum sentence or to impose anything other than concurrent sentences. Well, in fact in Ohio the judge does make those decisions, and as a result there are probably 20000 guys unconstitutionally imprisoned in Ohio. But the courts here ignore it, and you can't get a lawyer to take it up the chain. Its a really fucked up situation.
Cheech.Thanks for the wonderful response as always Cheech, its not hard to figure out that something like this is going on, its pretty flagrant its just people don't know what to look for because they only watch the news. Its also astonishing that the courts actually incentivize committing more crimes and expect us not to notice because the average mouth breather doesnt know where to look to find proof of this fact. First time offender? No criminal record? They are hell bent on creating a criminal out of you, they are not budging on the engaging in prostitution / criminal tools. You will be convicted as original and fined $1900. However, a guy caught in a 2018 sting then caught again as a repeat offender, and on top of that brings a concealed weapon, gets his eng pros / criminal tools dismissed and only has to plead to the carry concealed weapon charge, which is much less of a penalty and assache and he walks with only $1400 in fines. But again, nobody sees this. Its a joke!
And as far as the other cases I mentioned, both the task force chief (misdemeanant) and scumbag prosecutor (felon), the misdemeanant got fined $1750 and the felon only $173.35. Both are considered elite high ranking officials, so it couldnt have been favoritism/nepotism. What that tells me is that they have more fun laughing at their productive members of society and getting people in trouble for petty minimal crimes, instead of doing their job and going after the scumbags and protecting society. What kind of clown world are we living in?
ThrobbinWood
08-18-22, 21:49
HB-81 and SB-55 are in the works. Does anyone have solid information about the status of these bills and if they will in fact put our AMP's out of business.
This has been cross posted to other major cities in Ohio.
Member #6192
08-19-22, 09:20
HB-81 and SB-55 are in the works. Does anyone have solid information about the status of these bills and if they will in fact put our AMP's out of business.
This has been cross posted to other major cities in Ohio.So, if I get a prescription, I can legally get my dong massaged?
https://www.abmp.com/updates/legislative-updates/ohio/ohio-introduces-modified-establishment-bills
HB-81 and SB-55 are in the works. Does anyone have solid information about the status of these bills and if they will in fact put our AMP's out of business.
This has been cross posted to other major cities in Ohio.Hard to say. I've read the whole bill and its kind of unclear in the wording if it would completely shut it down or just make their ability to remain in business more difficult. It could make it more easy for them to get convictions just for being at an AMP, when in the past they needed more proof. At the end of the day as always, both bills are simply attempts by men born in the 30's 40's and 50's to keep our country in the stone age like the Reagan days when people were starving, redlining was happening, and minorities were getting a decade in prison for a small chunk of pot. Its very sad. All of these politicians supporting archaic policies like these bills need to retire, I don't know why they are still there, they probably have more then enough to retire and have their pensions. We need more AOCs on the left and Madison Cawthorns on the right fighting with each other instead of Yosts and Bidens. At least with that, wed have decriminalized drugs and less hooker crackdowns while they are wasting our money. The only politician born in that era that was any good was John Kasich, at least he got rid of the Solomon-Lautenberg amendment.
Again, just like HB 431, its astonishing to me that this is what they are focusing on passing, instead of crackdowns on scumbags like the Cuyahoga prosecutor. They do not care about protecting their good citizens or our families. Its very sad. Yet most voters are unaware of it, or so gung-ho on voting against the other party that they will never question it.
C92.
Paradigm71
08-19-22, 13:41
Hard to say. I've read the whole bill and its kind of unclear in the wording if it would completely shut it down or just make their ability to remain in business more difficult. It could make it more easy for them to get convictions just for being at an AMP, when in the past they needed more proof. At the end of the day as always, both bills are simply attempts by men born in the 30's 40's and 50's to keep our country in the stone age like the Reagan days when people were starving, redlining was happening, and minorities were getting a decade in prison for a small chunk of pot. Its very sad. All of these politicians supporting archaic policies like these bills need to retire, I don't know why they are still there, they probably have more then enough to retire and have their pensions. We need more AOCs on the left and Madison Cawthorns on the right fighting with each other instead of Yosts and Bidens. At least with that, wed have decriminalized drugs and less hooker crackdowns while they are wasting our money. The only politician born in that era that was any good was John Kasich, at least he got rid of the Solomon-Lautenberg amendment.
Again, just like HB 431, its astonishing to me that this is what they are focusing on passing, instead of crackdowns on scumbags like the Cuyahoga prosecutor. They do not care about protecting their good citizens or our families. Its very sad. Yet most voters are unaware of it, or so gung-ho on voting against the other party that they will never question it..The key change is the definition of massage therapy would change to include all massage, so to do a "relaxing" massage one would need the same licensing as a current LMT. It would just make it more difficult and costly to own and operate an AMP or to work in one.
ThrobbinWood
08-19-22, 16:05
So, if I get a prescription, I can legally get my dong massaged?
https://www.abmp.com/updates/legislative-updates/ohio/ohio-introduces-modified-establishment-billsIt seems to me when I RTFF that there are many legitimate, non extra AMP's. I couldn't care less about your rash.
Paradigm71
08-19-22, 18:29
So, if I get a prescription, I can legally get my dong massaged?
https://www.abmp.com/updates/legislative-updates/ohio/ohio-introduces-modified-establishment-billsSure, if you have a medical condition that would benefit from massage of your penis and can find a doctor to write a prescription then you could certainly get that service performed. However, it would more than likely be performed by a medical professional in a doctor's office rather than a Licensed Massage Therapist at an AMP of your choosing.
BudBowl2001
08-20-22, 09:26
This probably already died. Look at the date of the hearing March of 2021. Interesting to see where it is or what happened to it!
https://www.abmp.com/updates/legislative-updates/ohio/ohio-introduces-modified-establishment-bills
LoveSixNine
08-21-22, 12:01
Looks like it's true and uncle LEO is on the prowl.
https://fox8.com/news/i-team/local-massage-parlors-raided-in-sex-trafficking-investigation/
Paradigm71
08-21-22, 12:31
This probably already died. Look at the date of the hearing March of 2021. Interesting to see where it is or what happened to it!
https://www.abmp.com/updates/legislative-updates/ohio/ohio-introduces-modified-establishment-billsHB 81 is still active in the Senate, the last hearing was held on June 1, 2022. It appears it will have the votes to pass on the Senate.
Looks like it's true and uncle LEO is on the prowl.
https://fox8.com/news/i-team/local-massage-parlors-raided-in-sex-trafficking-investigation/Yep, as the weekend comes to a conclusion Yost is gearing up for his moment in the spotlight, pretty soon we will be hearing on Cleveland 19: "Dohnt buyy shexxx in Ohiahhho." Well Yost, I don't. I follow the revised code. I hang out with consenting adults, get people out of bad siuations if they are in a bad situation, and make no implicit or explicit agreement to anything, you can't make me agree to do something I don't agree to do. Many would say I'm quite the model citizen for that. Crossman, I gave it my all brother, I bet you there was a hell of a turnout but hopefully with this raised awareness of what these stings mostly are, fraudulent, a rightful victory is in your future in a couple months from now.
Chunks out.
C92.
Looks like it's true and uncle LEO is on the prowl.
https://fox8.com/news/i-team/local-massage-parlors-raided-in-sex-trafficking-investigation/Any word on which AMPs were hit?
ThrobbinWood
08-21-22, 21:26
HB 81 is still active in the Senate, the last hearing was held on June 1, 2022. It appears it will have the votes to pass on the Senate.Paradigm, how can I follow when the vote is scheduled. Seems unlikely yet this year.
PissedOffLaxD
08-21-22, 22:34
Congrats on your positive attitude.
Shocking that you've been reduced to paying for it.
For the record, I wasn't telling you what to do.
I was replying to another guy who posted here.
Nah.
I'm posting here.
Don't feel obligate to read it.I don't feel obligated to read it, you're a spammer asshole troll. And you are telling people what to do; you just think you're smarter than everyone in how you phrase it. The reality is, you're not. Go to church and hang out with the other asshole hypocrites.
Paradigm71
08-21-22, 23:28
Paradigm, how can I follow when the vote is scheduled. Seems unlikely yet this year.You can track at https://www.billtrack50.com/billdetail/1308524 and that site also has a link to the government site that shows details.
Big operation went down this weekend as I suspected. A lot of the guys I'm glad they arrested, bad guys who needed taken off the streets. They are sharp, they suppress the mugshots until the sting is over but the inmate search websites they have revealed the mugshots as of this morning, press conference and news articles likely to ensue early this week. Only the bad guys and the guys who brought drugs are on inmate search sites / public booking sheets remember, the good guys are booked and released at the police station or in the hotel room and their mugshots are not viewable on the ohio arrests website, only when in a jumpsuit and booked directly into the county jails are they viewable on that site. Chunks has predicted another sting. I was not scanning SKG during Ohio knows last year, but I didnt fail to predict this time. there were bogus ads littered all over the state. Looks like it was in mostly counties south of us, I predicted that too, as Elyria ran a bad guy sting a few weeks back. Generally after Cuyahoga regional runs a bad guy sting they will just assist other agencies on the next go around. Wouldn't shock me if they ran a quick operation on 90 and Euclid hotel again though and pulled over guys before they even entered the hotel like in operation Ohio knows though by using the stingrays.
Genuine appreciation and congrats for your bad guy arrests LEO, I will never question you on that. Hopefully you keep that up instead of the good guy stings and arresting grown men looking for grown women with no evidence of an actual exchange of money.
C92.
Big operation went down this weekend as I suspected. A lot of the guys I'm glad they arrested, bad guys who needed taken off the streets. They are sharp, they suppress the mugshots until the sting is over but the inmate search websites they have revealed the mugshots as of this morning, press conference and news articles likely to ensue early this week. Only the bad guys and the guys who brought drugs are on inmate search sites / public booking sheets remember, the good guys are booked and released at the police station or in the hotel room and their mugshots are not viewable on the ohio arrests website, only when in a jumpsuit and booked directly into the county jails are they viewable on that site. Chunks has predicted another sting. I was not scanning SKG during Ohio knows last year, but I didnt fail to predict this time. there were bogus ads littered all over the state. Looks like it was in mostly counties south of us, I predicted that too, as Elyria ran a bad guy sting a few weeks back. Generally after Cuyahoga regional runs a bad guy sting they will just assist other agencies on the next go around. Wouldn't shock me if they ran a quick operation on 90 and Euclid hotel again though and pulled over guys before they even entered the hotel like in operation Ohio knows though by using the stingrays.
Genuine appreciation and congrats for your bad guy arrests LEO, I will never question you on that. Hopefully you keep that up instead of the good guy stings and arresting grown men looking for grown women with no evidence of an actual exchange of money.
C92.https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/crime/operation-times-up-ohio-suspects-arrested-alleged-sex-crimes-human-trafficking/95-c8903b1f-1c3e-42b9-ac31-5f3d1ecc3b03
https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/08/22/56-arrested-statewide-human-trafficking-bust-ohio-attorney-general-says/
35 good guys arrested, 21 bad guys arrested.
C92.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/crime/operation-times-up-ohio-suspects-arrested-alleged-sex-crimes-human-trafficking/95-c8903b1f-1c3e-42b9-ac31-5f3d1ecc3b03
https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/08/22/56-arrested-statewide-human-trafficking-bust-ohio-attorney-general-says/
35 good guys arrested, 21 bad guys arrested.
C92.Chunks, we all know they arrest as many as they can with BS charges and let the courts and prosecutors untangle the mess. It will be interesting to see how many of these guys allegedly seeking sex from minors get convicted of anything, and the same for the rest.
Cheech.
Member #6192
08-23-22, 08:42
New Hi Spa confirmed as raided per this report. Say also two other Spas: one in Middlebugh Heights (possibly Helens Foot Spa, report closed in the massage thread) and on in Painsville (QQ or Green Spa I suppose?
Hopefully none of our fellows have been to these places in a while. If you have been, watch your six.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/crime/operation-times-up-ohio-suspects-arrested-alleged-sex-crimes-human-trafficking/95-c8903b1f-1c3e-42b9-ac31-5f3d1ecc3b03
BuckeyeGuy2
08-23-22, 12:49
Any donors coughing up the $100 grand she needs to post bail?
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2022/08/four-accused-of-killing-lakewood-man-and-wrapping-his-body-in-a-tarp-plead-not-guilty.html
What a waste of resources. If you divide the man hours by the people arrested. I can see the ones with the minors. The AMP just close them down why pick on the johns. How do they choice which ones to raid. ? I read they arrest a bunch in Youngstown and southern Ohio. This must have cost the taxpayers millions.
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08-23-22, 18:36
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RavensBurg
08-23-22, 18:51
Any donors coughing up the $100 grand she needs to post bail?
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2022/08/four-accused-of-killing-lakewood-man-and-wrapping-his-body-in-a-tarp-plead-not-guilty.htmlNot going to lie. This video of her arguing with the judge is kinda sexy.
RavensBurg
08-23-22, 18:51
Any donors coughing up the $100 grand she needs to post bail?
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2022/08/four-accused-of-killing-lakewood-man-and-wrapping-his-body-in-a-tarp-plead-not-guilty.htmlhttps://fox8.com/news/4-to-appear-in-court-for-lakewood-mans-murder/amp/
https://fox8.com/news/4-to-appear-in-court-for-lakewood-mans-murder/amp/It is sexy but also stupid as hell to do that shit. She aski g to get hung worse then she is right now.
Tykhasosna
08-23-22, 23:24
It is sexy but also stupid as hell to do that shit. She asking to get hung worse then she is right now.She'll be an old bag when she gets out.
I must admit, I'm going to miss her. She had a great little body. Half the time she was a pain in the ass, but other half were good dates. My best dates with her were at that house off Clark when she was in the basement. Sketchy as hell, but she was totally accommodating there. The last time I saw her was in July, she went with me and was so proud of being off the drugs. I didn't have the heart to break the news to her that smoking Crack is a drug. She was cool and accommodating, a good last time. When I took her back we went to the convenience store and she actually bought food, and flowers. She seemed like a normal person for a brief moment. She's going away for a long time, will be a distant memory.
Not going to lie. This video of her arguing with the judge is kinda sexy.
FigureRingLyle
08-24-22, 06:13
I must admit, I'm going to miss her. She had a great little body. Half the time she was a pain in the ass, but other half were good dates. My best dates with her were at that house off Clark when she was in the basement. Sketchy as hell, but she was totally accommodating there. The last time I saw her was in July, she went with me and was so proud of being off the drugs. I didn't have the heart to break the news to her that smoking Crack is a drug. She was cool and accommodating, a good last time. When I took her back we went to the convenience store and she actually bought food, and flowers. She seemed like a normal person for a brief moment. She's going away for a long time, will be a distant memory.Them other three don't have a prayer, she's going to roll on them like a MF'er. Not that I blame her. I wasnt there but can say for pretty sure she didn't pull the trigger. It was probably the younger dude. But could have been one of the older cats. Whoever she might get 5 years or so. She'll probably set up a bunch of dope boys in the process. Can we all agree we are discussing this from outside looking in, which is a great place to be in this mess?
Yeah, I'm sorry she's in this jam too. Did you see how those sweet boobs were bouncing unconfined while she was being lippy with the judge? She was a real sweetheart when I spent time with her.
Cheech.
Them other three don't have a prayer, she's going to roll on them like a MF'er. Not that I blame her. I wasnt there but can say for pretty sure she didn't pull the trigger. It was probably the younger dude. But could have been one of the older cats. Whoever she might get 5 years or so. She'll probably set up a bunch of dope boys in the process. Can we all agree we are discussing this from outside looking in, which is a great place to be in this mess?Fuck yes. I never met her, but the best thing about this hobby is banging these broads and dropping 100 bucks, then leaving and having nothing to do with their lives or results of their stupid decisions like fucking thugs. You hang out with the sludge of humanity every day, this is what happens. Our tax dollars have probably paid for these vermin she was hanging out with to get away with crimes their whole lives, they are probable career criminals. And remember, Yost would rather target taxpayers, not them, theyll never pay the fines. But on this day, they are in court while we are on the bowels of the internet talking about it. Its a beautiful thing.
The main lesson to take from all this, don't be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if she is completely innocent and was just a bystander, she would still have been indicted and jailed by our "qualified" high ranking officials. You know, the same high ranking officials that walk into obvious stings that legally retarded gentlemen like myself predict before they are announced because I see their obviously fake ads.
All speculation, but this is probably what happened if i were to guess. You hear the judge "I don't know maam, I don't know what evidence there is. " in reality, if she didnt pull the trigger, probably the only evidence they had was that she was hanging out with a bunch of minorities, and the grand jury was a bunch of older Reagan supporters, sad that such prejudice persists in 2022, yes they were probably career criminals, but that probably had nothing to do with it, I doubt the grand jury even looked at the evidence, it was probably just like the scene in To Kill a Mockingbird, prejudice probably was the only reason they chose to indict.
The fact that Ohio only cares about their archaic laws and archaic procedures and not the sanctity of an innocent person's life says a lot about the safety of all of us in this state.
C92.
I must admit, I'm going to miss her. She had a great little body. Half the time she was a pain in the ass, but other half were good dates. My best dates with her were at that house off Clark when she was in the basement. Sketchy as hell, but she was totally accommodating there. The last time I saw her was in July, she went with me and was so proud of being off the drugs. I didn't have the heart to break the news to her that smoking Crack is a drug. She was cool and accommodating, a good last time. When I took her back we went to the convenience store and she actually bought food, and flowers. She seemed like a normal person for a brief moment. She's going away for a long time, will be a distant memory.Going to admit that she looked pretty good with her boobies bouncing around in her top as she argued with the judge. I could see her fighting for an extra $20 out on the streets.
And. . . How many of you would like to get her shackled like she was at the end of the video when she was being led out. It would probably be an extra $50.
What a waste of resources. If you divide the man hours by the people arrested. I can see the ones with the minors. The AMP just close them down why pick on the johns. How do they choice which ones to raid. ? I read they arrest a bunch in Youngstown and southern Ohio. This must have cost the taxpayers millions.BIG NEWS massage parlors raided, shows all short of law enforcement agencies raiding those illegal, nasty massage parlors. Meanwhile there are a group of thugs carjacking people's cars, threatening them with guns and bodily harm, and the best the cops can do is to tell you to give the thugs what they want if you're carjacked. Oh yeah, the thugs have guns, massage parlors do not, real tough cops. Talk about a total failure in our society. When will folks wake up and get rid of these idiots in office?
Tykhasosna
08-24-22, 11:33
The best thing about this hobby is banging these broads and dropping 100 bucks, then leaving and having nothing to do with their livesYou are such a caring man, worthy of all your self-laudatory proclamations!
But on this day, they are in court while we are on the bowels of the internet talking about it. Its a beautiful thingYost's staff reads this forum daily.
It's only a matter of time before it turns ugly.
Tykhasosna
08-24-22, 11:45
When will folks wake up and get rid of these idiots in office?There aren't enough perverts to vote anyone out of office.
Going to admit that she looked pretty good with her boobies bouncing around in her top as she argued with the judge. I could see her fighting for an extra $20 out on the streets.
And. . . How many of you would like to get her shackled like she was at the end of the video when she was being led out. It would probably be an extra $50.Wasn't she caught driving the dead guys pickup? She's guilty of something for sure and does deserve to do some hard time. Unfucking believeable!
Wasn't she caught driving the dead guys pickup? She's guilty of something for sure and does deserve to do some hard time. Unfucking believeable!I thought she looked great. Maybe I'll pay her bail and take her down to a secluded Caribbean island for a few years.
OneAndDone
08-24-22, 15:15
Going to admit that she looked pretty good with her boobies bouncing around in her top as she argued with the judge. I could see her fighting for an extra $20 out on the streets.
And. . . How many of you would like to get her shackled like she was at the end of the video when she was being led out. It would probably be an extra $50.I agree she looked good amazing what being clean does to bad she could have been a star in this area shows what bad choices do to you hopefully she is out by 50 years old.
Tykhasosna
08-24-22, 16:31
Going to admit that she looked pretty good with her boobies bouncing around in her top as she argued with the judge. I could see her fighting for an extra $20 out on the streets.
And. . . How many of you would like to get her shackled like she was at the end of the video when she was being led out. It would probably be an extra $50.A pervert always thinks of his penis first, even when circumstances dictate compassion with heart and mind.
BudBowl2001
08-24-22, 23:04
Just ignore. Guys he seems like a new or the same sustar. Don't even start replying to him. Just go to the ignore button and save us all some grief.
A pervert always thinks of his penis first, even when circumstances dictate compassion with heart and mind.
BIG NEWS massage parlors raided, shows all short of law enforcement agencies raiding those illegal, nasty massage parlors. Meanwhile there are a group of thugs carjacking people's cars, threatening them with guns and bodily harm, and the best the cops can do is to tell you to give the thugs what they want if you're carjacked. Oh yeah, the thugs have guns, massage parlors do not, real tough cops. Talk about a total failure in our society. When will folks wake up and get rid of these idiots in office?It's all political theater. The reality is no politician gives two shits about you or me. It's all about staying in office, getting re-elected. Of course the majority of the uneducated can't see this.
LowRider69
08-25-22, 10:47
I thought she looked great. Maybe I'll pay her bail and take her down to a secluded Caribbean island for a few years.You'd have her back in a few days (if not sooner). Doesn't take that long to get tired of her.
Just ignore. Guys he seems like a new or the same sustar. Don't even start replying to him. Just go to the ignore button and save us all some grief.Done! It won't be long now.
OldMonger55
08-26-22, 05:32
Just ignore. Guys he seems like a new or the same sustar. Don't even start replying to him. Just go to the ignore button and save us all some grief.Done. So glad there's an ignore button.
LoveSixNine
08-29-22, 17:27
Just checked, still closed, sign not lit, no white suv (which I think is the girls transportation as I've seen one having a smoke by it and it's always there when open).https://fox8.com/news/sex-for-sale-video-shows-what-investigators-found-in-ne-ohio-human-trafficking-raid/
Is it possible they will ever open again? This report says the owners are getting some pretty serious charges.
https://fox8.com/news/sex-for-sale-video-shows-what-investigators-found-in-ne-ohio-human-trafficking-raid/
Is it possible they will ever open again? This report says the owners are getting some pretty serious charges.They say they have evidence of women forced to carry out sex for sale even while living in the massage parlors.
A group called the Harriet Tubman Movement is already helping some of the women in this case start new lives. Co-founder Laura Bartchak said. We want them to be safe first of all.
How about this line of bullshit they are selling to the public?
TheLoneReaper
08-29-22, 20:20
I went to one of the parlors raided this week, probably 4 times this year as recently as 6 weeks ago. Anybody here went to any other parlors that were raised last year or previously? We're you contacted / got in trouble? Freaking out. I'm quite certain I'm one of the 500+ customers they have surveillance on. Thanks all.
Member #6192
08-30-22, 09:31
I went to one of the parlors raided this week, probably 4 times this year as recently as 6 weeks ago. Anybody here went to any other parlors that were raised last year or previously? We're you contacted / got in trouble? Freaking out. I'm quite certain I'm one of the 500+ customers they have surveillance on. Thanks all.I had similar questions back during the big raid in 2019. You can go here and see this and some prior discussion:. http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3986-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=4392234&viewfull=1#post4392234.
Paradigm71
08-30-22, 17:02
https://fox8.com/news/sex-for-sale-video-shows-what-investigators-found-in-ne-ohio-human-trafficking-raid/
Is it possible they will ever open again? This report says the owners are getting some pretty serious charges.So in the article they said:
"In fact, in one video clip, you see a washer and dryer and hear investigators talking about finding food."
Seriously, a washer and dryer are necessary to clean the linens used in a massage shop and many other businesses. I bet if you looked inside every small business you would find food. Yes, a lot of the women that work in massage shops live there because they are single and have no family local so it is much cheaper and easier to do so. Others live in the owner's homes for the same reasons. None of these conditions alone definitively equate to human trafficking. Just another way of trying to paint a picture of horrible conditions that do not necessarily exist. I am sure there is human trafficking going on, even in Ohio, but the vast majority of AMPs are not where it happens.
DaveTheLoose
08-30-22, 18:06
They say they have evidence of women forced to carry out sex for sale even while living in the massage parlors.
A group called the Harriet Tubman Movement is already helping some of the women in this case start new lives. Co-founder Laura Bartchak said. We want them to be safe first of all.
How about this line of bullshit they are selling to the public?The report made a big deal out of the washer and dryer in the place. But wouldn't every massage parlor have those? Don't they have to wash the sheets? And they found food. What a shocker. Every place I've ever worked has food. People are entitled to lunch breaks after all.
Perhaps there really was human trafficking going on. I'm not in a position to know. But the evidence presented in the news report seemed flimsy at best.
BudBowl2001
08-31-22, 23:33
https://fox8.com/news/i-team/it-was-not-even-a-secret-new-video-from-human-trafficking-raids-on-massage-parlors/
Says they are taking a look at last 500 customers.
https://fox8.com/news/i-team/it-was-not-even-a-secret-new-video-from-human-trafficking-raids-on-massage-parlors/
Says they are taking a look at last 500 customers.Seems confusing to me. How in the hell do they know who to look for. I certainly don't give my name and I don't call either.
Tonto Monger
09-01-22, 21:39
Seems confusing to me. How in the hell do they know who to look for. I certainly don't give my name and I don't call either.License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.
RavensBurg
09-01-22, 22:51
License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.I call bullshit. They made their headlines and that's all that matters. Guarantee these businesses will be up and running again in the near future.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/07/29/sex-trafficking-illicit-massage-parlors-cases-fail/1206517001/
LoveSixNine
09-02-22, 07:08
License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.I'm sure they seized the phone and are looking through it's history. I wonder why these shops are always in some super busy place? And who was the twat that they interviewed? He said he went into the shop. Does that mean Maybe he got a HE and was unsatisfied so he called LE? Maybe the China woman made fun of his little PP?
I'm confused. If one is not caught in an act how can they show up at your house at a later date saying we know you were there on a certain date.
Not knowing the law, don't they need proof? Seems to them be a he said / he said situation.
License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.
I call bullshit. They made their headlines and that's all that matters. Guarantee these businesses will be up and running again in the near future.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/07/29/sex-trafficking-illicit-massage-parlors-cases-fail/1206517001/A few years ago when everything in Warren was raided, they kept records of all the license plates and then went after people who'd made at least 3 visits that year. I don't know the details after that. It's still a good idea to park elsewhere if you don't want to be approached and asked about it.
A few years ago when everything in Warren was raided, they kept records of all the license plates and then went after people who'd made at least 3 visits that year. I don't know the details after that. It's still a good idea to park elsewhere if you don't want to be approached and asked about it.How did they get the license plates?
Tonto Monger
09-02-22, 15:25
I'm confused. If one is not caught in an act how can they show up at your house at a later date saying we know you were there on a certain date.
Not knowing the law, don't they need proof? Seems to them be a he said / he said situation.Cops can knock on your door anytime they want to. They'll be really friendly and nice and say something like "we just want to ask you some questions about why your vehicle was observed at such and such spa. " Then they'll shut up and wait for you to incriminate yourself, or, tell them that unless they have a warrant, you want them off your property and not to come back without one. However, now you have to answer the question to your significant other, and she never needs a warrant and you have no Miranda rights. So, the cops have accomplished their goal of fucking up your life anyway. Pricks.
How did they get the license plates?After everything went down in Warren, it came up in the news that LE had gained permission of nearby businesses to put cameras up and record vehicles that entered the spa parking lots. There was one spa that got off easy because that same lot was used by customers of a bar, and it was hard to tell who was who. In general though, what others have said here sounds about right. Cops might not have any "proof" of anything you did, but they sure have your car in that lot, and so they can be disruptive in your life.
Remember, cameras can be mounted anywhere within range of what they want to see. Within range means a clear line from the camera to the object. And, it doesn't have to be close enough that anything can be made out with the human eye. They have cameras mounted on satellites in space that can see the pubic hairs on an ant crawling on the ground. And I am not bullshitting.
So there also are cameras so small, called pinhole cameras, that you can barely see them, think of the selfie camera on your phone. Simply drill a very small hole in a fence or a wall and mount it on the back. I'm sure we all can see what I mean. They also have cameras that can see infrared thru walls, as in two humans fucking on a bed on the other side of a wall. Not as good as a regular pic, just a heat outline, but you get the idea.
The key is if you get popped, what you say. And what you say is my name is Cheech, and my lawyer's phone number is!
And if you're just being questioned without being arrested, you better bet your ass that they are trying to hem you up one way or another, because if you say something incriminating they will use that to nail someone else and to try to come back to nail you.
Cheech.
MoonDoggie
09-03-22, 10:09
A few years ago when everything in Warren was raided, they kept records of all the license plates and then went after people who'd made at least 3 visits that year. I don't know the details after that. It's still a good idea to park elsewhere if you don't want to be approached and asked about it.This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.
Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.
This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.
Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2013/08/a_year_later_warren_massage_pa.html
There are a bunch of things written like the above. You're absolutely right- I did decide that it wasn't worth having my car recorded on someone's surveillance, so I've changed my ways. Just a personal decision. Clearly, the stuff in Warren didn't change much, although I think there's been some momentum lately and I'm not sure we can continue to expect things to come out the same with all these raids. As others have pointed out, there's still not a lot they can do except light a fire under you, but I think it's worth keeping one's eyes open. They do put up cameras, and license plates are recorded. A little awareness never hurt.
Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.The Hot Dog Shoppe is great! So is Buena Vista Cafe. Owner is a good dude and they have great fried chicken and calamari with fire dipping sauce. Support your city businesses! I spend as few dollars as possible in the burbs, our cities need rebuilt and more job opportunities!
C92.
Bards Tale
09-04-22, 09:39
This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.
Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.I have been going to warren before the raids, I went during the raid period and after the raids and always parked in the lot. Never an ounce of worry or trouble.
Cops can knock on your door anytime they want to. They'll be really friendly and nice and say something like "we just want to ask you some questions about why your vehicle was observed at such and such spa. " Then they'll shut up and wait for you to incriminate yourself, or, tell them that unless they have a warrant, you want them off your property and not to come back without one. However, now you have to answer the question to your significant other, and she never needs a warrant and you have no Miranda rights. So, the cops have accomplished their goal of fucking up your life anyway. Pricks.Whats actually interesting is, most of the women stay with the married mongers who get caught in this sort of thing. Excluding those who are swingers or had an agreement, I would imagine most of them that choose to stay are the women with dudes that are woman beaters, are cheating themselves, are just really fucking stupid, or any variation or combination of the previously mentioned scenarios. I don't understand that mentality, if I'm a loyal woman and I got fucked around on, me personally I'm taking the dude to the cleaners in divorce, using the money to buy a house, and leaving, not staying with him like an idiot LOL. No sympathy for the mongers cheating with a good woman at home. Sympathy for the dorky guy or guy with an abusive or neglectful wife that has never or rarely mongers and was trying to get his rocks off, those are the dudes I look out for and think should be let go.
Experience in this hobby definitely helps with confidence in interviews and such, have to control myself from being arrogant though. But I'd be a liar if I said, even when having the most intelligent conversation with someone in a superior position, in the back of my head I'm not thinking either of these things: if my boss is a guy its: "Yeah they seem smart, but would they fall for an obvious sting?" or if its a woman its: "Yeah they seem smart, but would they leave their significant other if said significant other were to be caught in a sting?" its like yeah, if they wouldn't leave depending on circumstances they are a complete fucking idiot. Narcissistic of me, yeah a bit, something I have to work on, but its just all fascinating to me how much this online game has essentially made everything the streets even moreso then it already was. Kind of like the Ready Player One Oasis will be if it goes live in December of 2025.
Proof of this "everything becoming the streets" thing happened recently in a regular date that I had. I'm really making an effort to not monger anymore, I have a few long term regulars that have become friends that I won't give up but in general if things don't work out with them, I'd ideally like to have a relationship. The date was actually interesting, at the end though she talks about a cop she dated that "was with this escort off the skipthegames website. " Hilarious because I look like the last guy that would be a veteran monger, so she just assumes I'm some random that has no idea what that is. But its like, her inflection, you could tell she still wanted him and if anything even if I did get laid out of the deal or it went anywhere shed always have him on her mind. So I essentially cut it off and didn't see her again. Kind of sucks and doesn't suck at the same time having so much vice and life experience that I can kind of see multiple moves in advance of how a potential relationship can go, there is that minimal chance I just ignore what I saw and it worked out, but I know better, I saved myself some headaches, to go any further its kind of like with the vibes she gave off, if I were to go all in and continue, I would be an idiot for proceeding with the relationship because she knows she implied that I would be second in line, which would give her the right in her mind to take me to the cleaners if I cultivated any type of relationship, because I hypothetically would an idiot for doing so in her mind because she clearly established with those subtle cues what she really wanted. Not to mention she seemed to be anti-hooker / hobby as well, talking about how much of a POS the cop dude was, which I can't really get behind, to be that way is to be anti-personal freedom. But its hilarious because despite those comments, she clearly still wanted the dude who she had full knowledge that was partaking in the "non accepted" ways of our hobby and just assumed I knew nothing about the hobby LOL and was just a potential mark in her eyes. Why the fuck can't there just be a woman out there, who doesn't like woman beaters, enjoys doing the simple things like grocery shopping, ordering food, and watching movies, and they have no ex drama? Shouldn't be this hard. Hopefully the right lady for me comes around someday. Wish that for all of the decent guys on here and everywhere.
C92.
FigureRingLyle
09-06-22, 15:47
I have been going to warren before the raids, I went during the raid period and after the raids and always parked in the lot. Never an ounce of worry or trouble.Same here.
PhlipPhlop
09-06-22, 16:31
Same here.If I were unattached I would probably feel the same but there's a different dynamic if you wear a ring. Those cameras on the poles weren't for bird watching, Either of you two married just curious, either way it wasn't like I was parking in Youngstown maybe a 2 minute walk for not a fail safe but a little piece of mind.
FigureRingLyle
09-07-22, 04:56
If I were unattached I would probably feel the same but there's a different dynamic if you wear a ring. Those cameras on the poles weren't for bird watching, Either of you two married just curious, either way it wasn't like I was parking in Youngstown maybe a 2 minute walk for not a fail safe but a little piece of mind.I'm not, so I guess I see where you are coming from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIvuoLps8
30 years of law enforcement, back to back rookie mistakes in back to back nights. Guess just didn't pay attention to how he did his own job the whole 30 years? Astonishing that these are the people holding these positions. Vintage Judd, even whipping out one of Chunks' favorites, the "high ranking official" line. Great listen for your morning commute!
C92.
MoonDoggie
09-07-22, 07:54
I'd ideally like to have a relationship. The date was actually interesting, at the end though she talks about a cop she dated that "was with this escort off the skipthegames website. " Hilarious because I look like the last guy that would be a veteran monger, so she just assumes I'm some random that has no idea what that is. But its like, her inflection, you could tell she still wanted him and if anything even if I did get laid out of the deal or it went anywhere shed always have him on her mind. So I essentially cut it off and didn't see her again. Kind of sucks and doesn't suck at the same time having so much vice and life experience that I can kind of see multiple moves in advance of how a potential relationship can go, there is that minimal chance I just ignore what I saw and it worked out, but I know better, I saved myself some headaches.
C92.Or another side would be you're afraid to get your heart broken. Sort of I don't want to go to work I just want to be wealthy. You have to invest to have a long-term relationship you don't know it wouldn't have worked out maybe she would have loved you so much that she would've forgotten that guy. You don't know, you think you know but you don't. Everyone that has been in a long-term relationship or has been married has had to take the chance that it would work out. Or it wouldn't. You have to pay the dues there are no shortcuts. I know this sounds preachy. Do you want to be wealthy? You have to get up in the morning and put your pants on and do the work. Do you want to be happy in love you have to put your pants on, not just type on the computer and say I know what will happen-cause you don't.
NickNock986
09-07-22, 11:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIvuoLps8
30 years of law enforcement, back to back rookie mistakes in back to back nights. Guess just didn't pay attention to how he did his own job the whole 30 years? Astonishing that these are the people holding these positions. Vintage Judd, even whipping out one of Chunks' favorites, the "high ranking official" line. Great listen for your morning commute!
C92.Watched that video, amazes me how much of asshole some LE is. This guy basically broke a misdemeanor law, will result in a fine, and they are going to ruin his life to the point an average person might become suicidal, and he is all pompous about it. The crime, if it is two consenting adults agreeing to have some fun for pay is less than smoking a joint in the grand scheme of things. Yea the guy who broke the crime screwed up, not the least of which was failing to research and even engaging in Polk County Florida at all, but seriously, he screwed up in something that is legal in many places around the world, and has been around since the beginning of time, why try to get him to kill himself.
Watched that video, amazes me how much of asshole some LE is. This guy basically broke a misdemeanor law, will result in a fine, and they are going to ruin his life to the point an average person might become suicidal, and he is all pompous about it. The crime, if it is two consenting adults agreeing to have some fun for pay is less than smoking a joint in the grand scheme of things. Yea the guy who broke the crime screwed up, not the least of which was failing to research and even engaging in Polk County Florida at all, but seriously, he screwed up in something that is legal in many places around the world, and has been around since the beginning of time, why try to get him to kill himself.Judd is a big time asshole. Lot to learn from him though. We have to learn from others mistakes and others tactics. Hopefully this poor bastard can rebuild his life. With so many cops partaking in the hobby, it really shouldn't be enforced. It just makes no sense to hurt your taxpayers with so many sitting on their ass collecting money and out committing real crime.
C92.
Or another side would be you're afraid to get your heart broken. Sort of I don't want to go to work I just want to be wealthy. You have to invest to have a long-term relationship you don't know it wouldn't have worked out maybe she would have loved you so much that she would've forgotten that guy. You don't know, you think you know but you don't. Everyone that has been in a long-term relationship or has been married has had to take the chance that it would work out. Or it wouldn't. You have to pay the dues there are no shortcuts. I know this sounds preachy. Do you want to be wealthy? You have to get up in the morning and put your pants on and do the work. Do you want to be happy in love you have to put your pants on, not just type on the computer and say I know what will happen-cause you don't.Yeah, I am afraid of putting a lot in only to be hurt again. A negative aspect of being spot on in a lot of predictions is that I can arrogantly jump to conclusions, something I have to work on. Not preachy, genuinely appreciate the input. All of us should try to pick each other up in these times and try to be better men every day. its a cruel world out there, especially since it seems like trying to help others is stigmatized negatively these days. Much love to all of you on here.
C92.
BuckNuts49
09-11-22, 12:35
https://www.foxnews.com/us/more-than...ia-cop-resigns
BuckNuts49
09-11-22, 12:35
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/nati...O2yMeVPYD2y4Ak
BuckeyeGuy2
09-12-22, 14:02
https://www.foxnews.com/us/more-than...ia-cop-resignsNeither of the links you posted are active. Could you give us more information about the raid?
BG2.
AnimalCookie
09-12-22, 21:21
Neither of the links you posted are active. Could you give us more information about the raid?
BG2.If you visit the Orlando area, don't for any reason venture into Polk County to partake in mongering, etc. , which is southwest down I-4 towards Tampa. The sheriff is aggressive there and in his last round, I believe he netted over 160. He claims he is going after human trafficking, but if you are in his net, too bad, so sad.
Links that work can be found in the Orlando / Central Florida, News and Media section.
I suggest that you don't go to the Massage section there because you will get envious of what they have, even if you have been to Warren.
JoesFunHouse
10-27-22, 18:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIvuoLps8
30 years of law enforcement, back to back rookie mistakes in back to back nights. Guess just didn't pay attention to how he did his own job the whole 30 years? Astonishing that these are the people holding these positions. Vintage Judd, even whipping out one of Chunks' favorites, the "high ranking official" line. Great listen for your morning commute!
C92.What a sanctimonious prick. Imagine believing a fucking police car is some sort of sacred vessel?
BuckeyeGuy2
11-22-22, 00:56
I've seen reports on this forum that some of you guys feel comfortable on Rockside Rd. This is why I avoid:
https://www.cleveland.com/community/2022/11/several-arrests-made-following-prostitution-investigation-independence-police-blotter.html
I've seen reports on this forum that some of you guys feel comfortable on Rockside Rd. This is why I avoid:
https://www.cleveland.com/community/2022/11/several-arrests-made-following-prostitution-investigation-independence-police-blotter.htmlI have said it before and will say it again! Independence, Ohio Rockside Rd. Area is not a safe place to go to meet escorts. There have been and will be future human trafficking operations in that area. If you insist on going to that area for sex you will eventually be caught up in one of these stings. Also the IPD also does occasionally run some prostitution arrest operations. Just a word of caution!!
Jimmy:
Cleveland Report
11-22-22, 10:17
I don't know if it is still true but it's my understanding that a certain hotel bar with a lot of activity on Friday and Saturday nights was a great place to pick up Asian lades. They would not come in until about after 11:00 PM (past my bedtime so I can't speak from personal knowledge). Maybe that's why Independence is such a hotbed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIvuoLps8
30 years of law enforcement, back to back rookie mistakes in back to back nights. Guess just didn't pay attention to how he did his own job the whole 30 years? Astonishing that these are the people holding these positions. Vintage Judd, even whipping out one of Chunks' favorites, the "high ranking official" line. Great listen for your morning commute!.Wow! That was entertaining, but brutal.
BudBowl2001
11-22-22, 11:34
That bar (HI) and the casino downtown both have a lot of Asian action. If you work it right at casino, you can make a connection.
I don't know if it is still true but it's my understanding that a certain hotel bar with a lot of activity on Friday and Saturday nights was a great place to pick up Asian lades. They would not come in until about after 11:00 PM (past my bedtime so I can't speak from personal knowledge). Maybe that's why Independence is such a hotbed.
You ever here of someone getting busted when they host?
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/01/24/cleveland-human-trafficking-suspect-branded-victims-with-name-his-business-ohio-ag-says/
Ran across this! Sicko if it's true!
RavensBurg
02-22-23, 10:38
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/lake-county/eastlake-city-council-president-john-meyers-arrested-lake-county-human-trafficking-sting/95-0208776f-714b-4145-9736-9ed26568686d
Member #6308
04-05-23, 17:26
How does one search busts in Cuyahoga county? Is there go-to site to see what / when girls get busted??
How does one search busts in Cuyahoga county? Is there go-to site to see what / when girls get busted??Not sure why Cuyahoga doesn't post but most anywhere else you can look up here.
https://ohio.arrests.org/
Use the search at the top. The other is for pay.
BudBowl2001
04-07-23, 07:51
Where will our hoes move to now. There's a reason there's a big push to clean this area. Advice watch your 6 in Elyria. They are revitalizing that area. And the move has startwd!
https://www.morningjournal.com/2023/04/06/journey-inn-in-elyria-condemned-residents-removed/
Francis123
04-26-23, 01:58
How does one search busts in Cuyahoga county? Is there go-to site to see what / when girls get busted??Not anymore. Some years back there was a decision in Cuyahoga County to stop providing that stuff to the mugshot sites. Which is for the best IMO.
Where will our hoes move to now. There's a reason there's a big push to clean this area. Advice watch your 6 in Elyria. They are revitalizing that area. And the move has startwd!
https://www.morningjournal.com/2023/04/06/journey-inn-in-elyria-condemned-residents-removed/They boarded up the Days Inn also recently.
They boarded up the Days Inn also recently.FYI, there's a handler on trial now, they got his phone and all the customers.
Phone #" who have done business with him in the last few years. Check out the Elyria chronicle for more info.
FYI, there's a handler on trial now, they got his phone and all the customers.
Phone #" who have done business with him in the last few years. Check out the Elyria chronicle for more info.I saw that. The trials been going on for on little while now. The girls had their own phones, so doubt they have any customers numbers. They are mainly looking at the drugs and pimping charges.
FigureRingLyle
04-27-23, 05:59
How does one search busts in Cuyahoga county? Is there go-to site to see what / when girls get busted??They used to have Busted.com but that is gone. Now they have Bustednewspaper.com, and when you click on Cuyahoga county all you are seeing is Lakewood city arrests.
They used to have Busted.com but that is gone. Now they have Bustednewspaper.com, and when you click on Cuyahoga county all you are seeing is Lakewood city arrests.I know of a person who was / is involved in the hiring process to act as bait for busts. This individual doesn't know about my current and close to past hobby so I was very careful about extracting any information. Sometimes you just need to let people talk long enough. I didn't need to hear much to find out that this is going to be a very tricky game to play for people in the near future if it isn't already. I've seen many questionable ads myself recently. Lakewood is an area of interest as well as other areas of Cuyahoga County. These stings are going to become more wide spread as time goes on. If you're a hobbiest who has something to loose from a possible run in with uncle LEO, I would highly recommend carefully going about what you're doing, if you even continue to do it at all. That's the direction I'm heading. Get out while the getting is good. LEO's approach is only going to become more sophisticated and more refined as time goes on.
The funding is significant and it's usually a low danger situation for them with big highlights in the news. This generates more funding, higher pay, and significant praise from the public all in the name of safety.
KarmaClutch
04-28-23, 13:43
They boarded up the Days Inn also recently.Gee! Imagine that. LOL.
I know of a person who was / is involved in the hiring process to act as bait for busts. This individual doesn't know about my current and close to past hobby so I was very careful about extracting any information. Sometimes you just need to let people talk long enough. I didn't need to hear much to find out that this is going to be a very tricky game to play for people in the near future if it isn't already. I've seen many questionable ads myself recently. Lakewood is an area of interest as well as other areas of Cuyahoga County. These stings are going to become more wide spread as time goes on. If you're a hobbiest who has something to loose from a possible run in with uncle LEO, I would highly recommend carefully going about what you're doing, if you even continue to do it at all. That's the direction I'm heading. Get out while the getting is good. LEO's approach is only going to become more sophisticated and more refined as time goes on.
The funding is significant and it's usually a low danger situation for them with big highlights in the news. This generates more funding, higher pay, and significant praise from the public all in the name of safety.This highlights the information that has been posted in the legal thread. It is extremely important that when you talk to someone or text someone you don't discuss pay to play or even infer that you are willing to pay for sex. Your conversation or texts must be clearly saying that you are just hanging out, having a drink or some other type of companionship that DOES NOT involve sex. And, cannot be inferred to involve sex.
And be especially careful if you are talking or texting a provider and she asks you specific sex. Money oriented questions. She is either a sting or too stupid to be in the business.
Cheech.
Royboy7788
05-12-23, 16:52
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/05/12/10-arrested-north-olmsted-human-trafficking-sting/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=16839234550472&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F www.google.com&share=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fwww.cleveland19.com%2 F2023%2 F05%2 F12%2 F10-arrested-north-olmsted-human-trafficking-sting%2 F.
They're awful proud of using 20 officers to give 10 misdemeanor tickets out.
No drug dealers or pimps or real criminals are off the streets.
The only thing they have kept safe safe is themselves from being in danger from having to solve real crimes and dealing with real criminals.
They don't even do real police work in these stings. If you're in the immediate area you'll get arrested and get a ticket REGARDLESS of any facts, and then the prosecutor has to do the real work.
You don't have to say or do anything and all your precautions mean nothing. You will be arrested and ticketed just for being there, and you will get your chance to sort it out in a court of law.
FigureRingLyle
05-13-23, 09:11
They're awful proud of using 20 officers to give 10 misdemeanor tickets out.
No drug dealers or pimps or real criminals are off the streets.
The only thing they have kept safe safe is themselves from being in danger from having to solve real crimes and dealing with real criminals.
They don't even do real police work in these stings. If you're in the immediate area you'll get arrested and get a ticket REGARDLESS of any facts, and then the prosecutor has to do the real work.
You don't have to say or do anything and all your precautions mean nothing. You will be arrested and ticketed just for being there, and you will get your chance to sort it out in a court of law.WOW, that was well said. Summed it up in first sentence. I liked the "only keeping themselves safe thing " too. Then that tabloid as fuck 19 news really taking it to town with all of the he was a superintendent for a school, he was a tier 3, ..... crappy sensationalism at its worst. This planet is embarrassing.
No drug dealers or pimps or real criminals are off the streets.
They are not interested in getting real criminals. This is the Morality police task force. Their goal is to enforce Morality laws. The religious agenda in Ohio has become a very prominent. The Attorney General is aspiring to become Governor and is appealing to this voter base. So spending / wasting massive amounts of money on getting 10 guys who are trying to get laid is what gets his voter base energized. No, it does not make sense. Law enforcement would much rather go after real criminals, but our elected officials have a different agenda.
OneAndDone
05-13-23, 11:07
WOW, that was well said. Summed it up in first sentence. I liked the "only keeping themselves safe thing " too. Then that tabloid as fuck 19 news really taking it to town with all of the he was a superintendent for a school, he was a tier 3, ..... crappy sensationalism at its worst. This planet is embarrassing.Looks like this area is a no fun zone it used to be OK out there I never felt like I was going to get busted it's where beauty got busted and hasn't been seen in awhile. There was a shithole spot over there I used to see a little spinner named Ashley it was the economy inn a complete dump but I'd bang the shit out of her there I guess those days are gone be safe.
This highlights the information that has been posted in the legal thread. It is extremely important that when you talk to someone or text someone you don't discuss pay to play or even infer that you are willing to pay for sex. Your conversation or texts must be clearly saying that you are just hanging out, having a drink or some other type of companionship that DOES NOT involve sex. And, cannot be inferred to involve sex.
And be especially careful if you are talking or texting a provider and she asks you specific sex. Money oriented questions. She is either a sting or too stupid to be in the business.
Cheech.As right as you may be, your gut has to come into play or finding new talent is going to be nearly impossible unless they have a mentor to teach them the ropes. I also warned you all with my previous post. LEO has an agenda and they're gathering intell on how to get better at this. It doesn't matter how much money they spend. That's not the point. It's the moral police as previously stated. This is a big big deal to Yost. It's his claim to fame and he'll stop at nothing. They're are agents in strip clubs now as well. I can't go into total detail on how this is all works etc. This is especially true if you have a warrant of any type, STAY AWAY. Do not contact or converse with anyone in these places through any type of social media unless you know them personally. This is potentially going to get more involved, regardless of the charges. It's a way for Yost to beat his chest about how amazing he is. Boys, it's getting serious.
LoveSixNine
05-13-23, 18:01
They are not interested in getting real criminals. This is the Morality police task force. Their goal is to enforce Morality laws. The religious agenda in Ohio has become a very prominent. The Attorney General is aspiring to become Governor and is appealing to this voter base. So spending / wasting massive amounts of money on getting 10 guys who are trying to get laid is what gets his voter base energized. No, it does not make sense. Law enforcement would much rather go after real criminals, but our elected officials have a different agenda.I think the real waste of money is the fact they only got 10. It should have been like shooting fish in a barrel. Think about how much money was spent compared to actual nber of misdemeanor tickets. Really only 10?
Mister Hank
05-13-23, 18:16
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No, and I'm a liberal, no, not here. If you can't engage people respectfully than STFU. Seriously, not here I don't give a fuck if you're red or blue, all pussy is pink and that's the only fucking color we care about.
Don't do this shit again because once it starts it never fucking stops.
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PS stopping commercial sex is way at the top of the left's agenda as well. Feminists fuck HATE the idea of men especially most of our guys having easy access to pussy.
So if Ohio wants to be the next haven for psycho crazy right wing nazi fuckers. Why mess with this? Florida and Texas are all the way out on the far right. Give 'them their guns. Crush abortion. Hate gays. Get all that shit. But those 2 statues are still great places to buy pussy. Why fuck with this?As I explained earlier, it's a low danger high reward situation. Yost is getting pats on the back from many higher ups in the state and federally. They are also using private agencies as well. It's a huge deal and the funding is nearly endless. They don't fit the bill so they don't care. Seriously, look at how many public officials in different capacities have been nailed. THEY don't CARE. It's big, big money running this and whomever ends up in their cross hairs will absolutely be made an example out of. This stuff is so hot right now in ohio that ex military are even involved. People with extensive backgrounds. People who are so intrenched that some were involved in killing Osama bin laden. They have an agenda and money is no object. These people are involved involved to make names for themselves and will pray on everyone involved. They don't even care about who they put in danger. You can't even imagine the things I've heard on the situations that individuals, whom have no business being involved with certain things for lack of safety etc, are being convinced to do. Good people, but stupid. It's appalling and it's evil, especially to the naive whom they are using. The ones pulling the strings have financial and political goals and they do not care what they have to do to get there.
As I explained earlier, it's a low danger high reward situation. Yost is getting pats on the back from many higher ups in the state and federally. They are also using private agencies as well. It's a huge deal and the funding is nearly endless. They don't fit the bill so they don't care. Seriously, look at how many public officials in different capacities have been nailed. THEY don't CARE. It's big, big money running this and whomever ends up in their cross hairs will absolutely be made an example out of. This stuff is so hot right now in ohio that ex military are even involved. People with extensive backgrounds. People who are so intrenched that some were involved in killing Osama bin laden. They have an agenda and money is no object. These people are involved involved to make names for themselves and will pray on everyone involved. They don't even care about who they put in danger. You can't even imagine the things I've heard on the situations that individuals, whom have no business being involved with certain things for lack of safety etc, are being convinced to do. Good people, but stupid. It's appalling and it's evil, especially to the naive whom they are using. The ones pulling the strings have financial and political goals and they do not care what they have to do to get there.Has anyone on this forum been busted in the past for promoting prostitution? Wonder how the whole thing went down. Like all of you after I screw up I always though I should have known.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/05/12/10-arrested-north-olmsted-human-trafficking-sting/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=16839234550472&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F www.google.com&share=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fwww.cleveland19.com%2 F2023%2 F05%2 F12%2 F10-arrested-north-olmsted-human-trafficking-sting%2 F.What did they do to trap these people? A fake ad? Or did they get arrested at a known location??
I'm a teacher. I don't need to end up on the news like the Keystone teacher.
As I explained earlier, it's a low danger high reward situation. Yost is getting pats on the back from many higher ups in the state and federally. They are also using private agencies as well. It's a huge deal and the funding is nearly endless.Just to chime in here, it's worth remembering that the biggest recent anti-trafficking legislation in Congress was sponsored by an Ohio senator. It just doesn't look good anymore if Ohio remains among the top of the trafficking states. (Not sure how they measure that, but that's what they say.) The important thing here is that it definitely means funding, and also a lot of incentive for agencies around here. Whatever you choose, be smart and don't pretend things are the same as they were years ago. My suggestion is to stay with an independent provider that you know and trust, preferably not someone who does a lot of advertising. Also, don't pretend you'll just talk your way past LEO these days. They have ways to make your life very uncomfortable. At least go in with your eyes open.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-woman-arrested-for-killing-of-cleveland-state-professor
Surprised nobody posted this. From what is reported she goes to Hudson to be with this Professor, robs him, shoots him. Sounds like a date that didn't go as planned. She looks familiar? maybe posted on Skip? Be careful out here people!
MassageBig
06-03-23, 16:10
https://fb.watch/kXlS1ktNol/?mibextid=v7YzmG
Victoria was arrested in January. The whole video is kind of funny.
FigureRingLyle
06-04-23, 07:13
https://fb.watch/kXlS1ktNol/?mibextid=v7YzmG
Victoria was arrested in January. The whole video is kind of funny.Yeah its funny, which broad is this?
Cleve Loser
06-04-23, 12:05
So many questions after watching that.
She really didn't have any warrants? Man if she doesn't run then she's fine.
So many questions after watching that.
She really didn't have any warrants? Man if she doesn't run then she's fine.She looked ok, better than most. I was thinking about seeing her until she mentioned the infections and sores.
Stuffdamuff
06-04-23, 14:49
https://fb.watch/kXlS1ktNol/?mibextid=v7YzmG
Victoria was arrested in January. The whole video is kind of funny.She looks like the girl that posts as Montana, is this the one?
https://skipthegames.com/posts/cleveland/female-escorts/caucasian_e/hotready-montana216-510-3782-/338241401950
Cleve Loser
06-04-23, 15:56
She looked ok, better than most. I was thinking about seeing her until she mentioned the infections and sores.This new tranq dope is wrecking skin. Maybe Donald Trump can bring back Heroin.
Dixon Cider
06-05-23, 18:09
She looks like the girl that posts as Montana, is this the one?
https://skipthegames.com/posts/cleveland/female-escorts/caucasian_e/hotready-montana216-510-3782-/338241401950That has got to be the same girl and if it is not, then she has a doppelganger.
That has got to be the same girl and if it is not, then she has a doppelganger.That's her, you can stop the video and see. Look at the way she puts her hair up.
Stuffdamuff
06-06-23, 09:48
That's her, you can stop the video and see. Look at the way she puts her hair up.
She looks like the girl that posts as Montana, is this the one?
https://skipthegames.com/posts/cleveland/female-escorts/caucasian_e/hotready-montana216-510-3782-/338241401950Checked the reports for Montana and found a monger noted she used to go by Tori and was to be avoided.
MassageBig
06-06-23, 11:37
She looks like the girl that posts as Montana, is this the one?
https://skipthegames.com/posts/cleveland/female-escorts/caucasian_e/hotready-montana216-510-3782-/338241401950Yep, definitely Montana among other names. Just look for the dark and thick eyebrows.
BudBowl2001
09-02-23, 08:44
Don't know how true this is, but it was on the Akron board.
Hey guys and girls.
Wanted to let you know there is a 5 county STING now and for the next few Days.
Girls. Do not outcall anywhere in the 5 surrounding counties for at least a week And Do not see anyone new. Trust your gut! My inner sireruns were going off and I didn't pay any attention.
Guys- Law low this weekend and stay home. Or just go see someone who is safe. Don't see anyone new. , only see ones you you have met personally already. Not someone you only know by text.
Tonight was a house in Brimfield. 1406 Howe Road. Tomorrow, I bet will be another county. All they did was hurt the legit ones and draw a bigger barrier between those that need help. It's a money maker. Don't give them the gratitude. Let them all close up shop because the world is out and no one get arrested.
Don't know how true this is, but it was on the Akron board.
Hey guys and girls.
Wanted to let you know there is a 5 county STING now and for the next few Days.
Girls. Do not outcall anywhere in the 5 surrounding counties for at least a week And Do not see anyone new. Trust your gut! My inner sireruns were going off and I didn't pay any attention.
Guys- Law low this weekend and stay home. Or just go see someone who is safe. Don't see anyone new. , only see ones you you have met personally already. Not someone you only know by text.
Tonight was a house in Brimfield. 1406 Howe Road. Tomorrow, I bet will be another county. All they did was hurt the legit ones and draw a bigger barrier between those that need help. It's a money maker. Don't give them the gratitude. Let them all close up shop because the world is out and no one get arrested.Did you get busted? You said you didn't pay attention.
TooManyLadies8
09-02-23, 13:12
Did you get busted? You said you didn't pay attention.It's a copy / paste he shared from the Akron board. The text is from an ad that a provider put up. I mentioned it in the escort section to warn people and it's on the Akron board with a link to the ad if it's still up.
DirtMerchant
09-06-23, 12:48
It's a copy / paste he shared from the Akron board. The text is from an ad that a provider put up. I mentioned it in the escort section to warn people and it's on the Akron board with a link to the ad if it's still up.Did anything more come of this or was it all smoke?
TooManyLadies8
09-06-23, 19:45
Did anything more come of this or was it all smoke?I have no idea other than the two mentioned on the Akron board.
RavensBurg
10-02-23, 21:33
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/10/02/operation-buyers-remorse-160-people-arrested-ohio-human-trafficking-crackdown/?outputType=amp
https://www.wkbn.com/news/ohio/160-arrested-in-ohio-human-trafficking-crackdown-some-local/
Tread lightly out there. This isn't going away anytime soon. They took a little time off to let things die down and came back swiftly. I'd expect more of this.
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/October-2023/AG-Yost-Praises-Statewide-Human-Trafficking-Crackd
A relevant paragraph says:
"The H.E.A.L. Human Trafficking Task Force, consisting of the Huron, Erie, Ashland and Lorain Sheriff's Offices, along with the Northeast Ohio Human Trafficking Task Force, conducted a search warrant on an illicit massage parlor in Lorain County. The search warrant resulted in the seizure of more than $49,000 and furthered an active investigation into criminal activity and potential human trafficking."
Sounds like Blue Spa to me. So unless someone else can verify otherwise, I'm going to assume the hotel setup mentioned in recent days is, in fact, a sting. If there is an "active investigation" ongoing, I can't imagine the Blue owners would be stupid enough to set up just 2 miles down the road, and in the same town. Pure speculation, I admit, but I'm not taking that chance. Especially since the guys arrested have their names, ages and cities listed at the bottom of the page.
According to the article, "The youngest john arrested was 17 and the oldest was 84. " Props (sort of) to these guys:
1) Must be nice to be able to afford this hobby at 17 (wish I had been).
2) Must be nice to still be able to perform at 84 (Props to you, Winston. Hope I can too if I even live that long!
Stay safe out there, boys!
BuckeyeGuy2
10-03-23, 11:34
Winston is the man! 84 & still in the game. Heard they charged him with "Assault with a dead weapon".
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/October-2023/AG-Yost-Praises-Statewide-Human-Trafficking-Crackd
A relevant paragraph says:
"The H.E.A.L. Human Trafficking Task Force, consisting of the Huron, Erie, Ashland and Lorain Sheriff's Offices, along with the Northeast Ohio Human Trafficking Task Force, conducted a search warrant on an illicit massage parlor in Lorain County. The search warrant resulted in the seizure of more than $49,000 and furthered an active investigation into criminal activity and potential human trafficking."
Sounds like Blue Spa to me. So unless someone else can verify otherwise, I'm going to assume the hotel setup mentioned in recent days is, in fact, a sting. If there is an "active investigation" ongoing, I can't imagine the Blue owners would be stupid enough to set up just 2 miles down the road, and in the same town. Pure speculation, I admit, but I'm not taking that chance. Especially since the guys arrested have their names, ages and cities listed at the bottom of the page.
Dixon Cider
10-03-23, 17:46
Winston is the man! 84 & still in the game. Heard they charged him with "Assault with a dead weapon".The charges are probably just going to limp along unless they can find a new wrinkle in the case.
The charges are probably just going to limp along unless they can find a new wrinkle in the case.Bros I hope I still want to lay pipe at 84 but not get busted! Winston deserves a reprieve for his heroism!
BuckeyeGuy2
10-04-23, 22:49
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/investigations/3news-investigates-rocky-river-math-teacher-university-professors-arrested-ohio-human-trafficking-sting/95-4dd6fd69-7b51-43b3-8bf0-c453abb18542
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/October-2023/AG-Yost-Praises-Statewide-Human-Trafficking-Crackd
A relevant paragraph says:
"The H.E.A.L. Human Trafficking Task Force, consisting of the Huron, Erie, Ashland and Lorain Sheriff's Offices, along with the Northeast Ohio Human Trafficking Task Force, conducted a search warrant on an illicit massage parlor in Lorain County. The search warrant resulted in the seizure of more than $49,000 and furthered an active investigation into criminal activity and potential human trafficking."
Sounds like Blue Spa to me. So unless someone else can verify otherwise, I'm going to assume the hotel setup mentioned in recent days is, in fact, a sting. If there is an "active investigation" ongoing, I can't imagine the Blue owners would be stupid enough to set up just 2 miles down the road, and in the same town. Pure speculation, I admit, but I'm not taking that chance. Especially since the guys arrested have their names, ages and cities listed at the bottom of the page.
According to the article, "The youngest john arrested was 17 and the oldest was 84. " Props (sort of) to these guys:
1) Must be nice to be able to afford this hobby at 17 (wish I had been).
2) Must be nice to still be able to perform at 84 (Props to you, Winston. Hope I can too if I even live that long!
Stay safe out there, boys!
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/investigations/3news-investigates-rocky-river-math-teacher-university-professors-arrested-ohio-human-trafficking-sting/95-4dd6fd69-7b51-43b3-8bf0-c453abb18542Yost and his right wing kgb agents won't focus on real crime, but will harass immigrants. The guys always claim to save us from ourselves. I prefer my freedom to yost's fake concern for my safety- which is merely him agitating his voting base. These fakes will suspend all of our rights if we're not careful. Trafficking of anybody is bad, bud a lady wanting to monetize her talents because yost and his party can't produce good jobs, only busts to keep the focus off their failures. To hell with these self serving losers!
Looks like the girl that goes / went by Farrah mink got busted in lake county on prostitution charges. You can check out the busted lake county page on the zuck app. Be careful if you see her pop up anytime soon.
SlickMutha
10-17-23, 00:06
https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2023/10/geauga-county-hs-wrestling-coach-arrested-in-prostitution-sting.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
DirtMerchant
10-17-23, 11:15
https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2023/10/geauga-county-hs-wrestling-coach-arrested-in-prostitution-sting.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitterIf anyone on here is ever considering seeing a chick in Columbiana county, Godspeed. Go look at the Columbiana or Salem dispatch and you will see countless sting reports on the daily.
DaveTheLoose
10-19-23, 19:11
Looks like the girl that goes / went by Farrah mink got busted in lake county on prostitution charges. You can check out the busted lake county page on the zuck app. Be careful if you see her pop up anytime soon.Thanks for the heads up. Just curious if anyone has an idea of how often an arrested provider's phone and other info is used by police to set up stings. I have always assumed it's pretty rare. But the other day I was trying to set something up with a provider who has been vouched for in the past by members of this forum, (Shane in Bedford) and she acted just like I imagine a cop would--trying to get me to incriminate myself beyond any possibility of reasonable doubt. Lots of explicit talk about what we would be doing, what services I specifically wanted, condom use, asking me for a selfie, etc. Was this just a careless provider, or a cop? Probably a careless provider. But I wasn't going to find out the hard way. So anyway, what do you guys think? Is the use of a former provider's info by cops unusual or common?
Thanks for the heads up. Just curious if anyone has an idea of how often an arrested provider's phone and other info is used by police to set up stings. I have always assumed it's pretty rare. But the other day I was trying to set something up with a provider who has been vouched for in the past by members of this forum, (Shane in Bedford) and she acted just like I imagine a cop would--trying to get me to incriminate myself beyond any possibility of reasonable doubt. Lots of explicit talk about what we would be doing, what services I specifically wanted, condom use, asking me for a selfie, etc. Was this just a careless provider, or a cop? Probably a careless provider. But I wasn't going to find out the hard way. So anyway, what do you guys think? Is the use of a former provider's info by cops unusual or common?Police are using search terms on social media and known escort sites to find the escorts and set up meets. They then use probable cause and search warrants to search their devices with digital forensics. Both the escorts and their johns are incriminated. Seems like the walls are always closing in.
Thanks for the heads up. Just curious if anyone has an idea of how often an arrested provider's phone and other info is used by police to set up stings. I have always assumed it's pretty rare. But the other day I was trying to set something up with a provider who has been vouched for in the past by members of this forum, (Shane in Bedford) and she acted just like I imagine a cop would--trying to get me to incriminate myself beyond any possibility of reasonable doubt. Lots of explicit talk about what we would be doing, what services I specifically wanted, condom use, asking me for a selfie, etc. Was this just a careless provider, or a cop? Probably a careless provider. But I wasn't going to find out the hard way. So anyway, what do you guys think? Is the use of a former provider's info by cops unusual or common?Good to know about Shane. I hadn't seen in awhile and was going to get back in touch with her. She was pretty open so not surprising that she would be busted. Too much heat out there now.
SlickMutha
10-19-23, 22:47
Thanks for the heads up. Just curious if anyone has an idea of how often an arrested provider's phone and other info is used by police to set up stings. I have always assumed it's pretty rare. But the other day I was trying to set something up with a provider who has been vouched for in the past by members of this forum, (Shane in Bedford) and she acted just like I imagine a cop would--trying to get me to incriminate myself beyond any possibility of reasonable doubt. Lots of explicit talk about what we would be doing, what services I specifically wanted, condom use, asking me for a selfie, etc. Was this just a careless provider, or a cop? Probably a careless provider. But I wasn't going to find out the hard way. So anyway, what do you guys think? Is the use of a former provider's info by cops unusual or common?Do you have the link to Shane? Or have any pics of her?
Do you have the link to Shane? Or have any pics of her?She's on SA and POF.
https://members.seeking.com/member/83546b7f-76f3-413d-b00c-c180087369d9
https://www.pof.com/viewprofile?profileId=313149010
Gray Man52
10-21-23, 12:40
Do you have the link to Shane? Or have any pics of her?I saw her about a year ago a couple of times but she didn't act like that.
https://40up.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/ohio/cleveland/158312206
BuckeyeGuy2
11-09-23, 15:30
Two websites advertised appointments with Asian women, and customers underwent a vetting process that included providing their driver's license photos and employers' names, prosecutors said. The USA Government has seized those sites' domains.
Never give out personal information!! USA Govt will come looking for you!!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-says-prostitution-ring-counted-politicians-tech-execs-lawyers-clients-2023-11-08/
Boonniee99
11-10-23, 00:33
Two websites advertised appointments with Asian women, and customers underwent a vetting process that included providing their driver's license photos and employers' names, prosecutors said. The USA Government has seized those sites' domains.
Never give out personal information!! USA Govt will come looking for you!!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-says-prostitution-ring-counted-politicians-tech-execs-lawyers-clients-2023-11-08/You have to if you want to see high end ones.
Cleveland Report
11-11-23, 09:54
Funny. In the article there is absolutely not one mention of "Human Trafficking" at all. Those words must be reserved for the lower classes such as the mongers in the Cleveland streets LOL.
Two websites advertised appointments with Asian women, and customers underwent a vetting process that included providing their driver's license photos and employers' names, prosecutors said. The USA Government has seized those sites' domains.
Never give out personal information!! USA Govt will come looking for you!!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-says-prostitution-ring-counted-politicians-tech-execs-lawyers-clients-2023-11-08/
TooManyLadies8
11-11-23, 15:00
Funny. In the article there is absolutely not one mention of "Human Trafficking" at all. Those words must be reserved for the lower classes such as the mongers in the Cleveland streets LOL.Yes there is.
DirtMerchant
11-11-23, 22:30
Two websites advertised appointments with Asian women, and customers underwent a vetting process that included providing their driver's license photos and employers' names, prosecutors said. The USA Government has seized those sites' domains.
Never give out personal information!! USA Govt will come looking for you!!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-says-prostitution-ring-counted-politicians-tech-execs-lawyers-clients-2023-11-08/Chances of ever seeing any names of the clientele? Those rich folks going to have their names dragged through the street like us peons?
BuckeyeGuy2
11-13-23, 19:29
US Government sieved their domain, so all client info is in their hands including your verification picture & employer info. I don't want that kind of aggravation. Rich guys can higher expensive attorneys & will eventually get charges dismissed on technicalities. In the mean time they still have to answer to their S. O. & families. No, thanks!
Chances of ever seeing any names of the clientele? Those rich folks going to have their names dragged through the street like us peons?
Two websites advertised appointments with Asian women, and customers underwent a vetting process that included providing their driver's license photos and employers' names, prosecutors said. The USA Government has seized those sites' domains.
Never give out personal information!! USA Govt will come looking for you!!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-says-prostitution-ring-counted-politicians-tech-execs-lawyers-clients-2023-11-08/Those guys are probably getting the actual girls in all the ads we see when paying those amounts.
BearsBuddy
11-14-23, 10:31
Funny. In the article there is absolutely not one mention of "Human Trafficking" at all. Those words must be reserved for the lower classes such as the mongers in the Cleveland streets LOL.Actually, it is.
"were arrested and charged with conspiring to coerce and entice women to travel to engage in illegal sexual activity. ".
BuckeyeGuy2
11-15-23, 23:47
US Government sieved their domain, so all client info is in their hands including your verification picture & employer info. I don't want that kind of aggravation. Rich guys can higher expensive attorneys & will eventually get charges dismissed on technicalities. In the mean time they still have to answer to their S. O. & families. No, thanks!Ask Robert Kraft how well things went when he went incognito to get a hand job in Florida. Kraft was among 25 people facing first-degree misdemeanor charges for soliciting prostitution at a day spa in 2019. Kraft's attorney electronically entered a not-guilty plea, and later submitted a court filing where Kraft waived arraignment, plead not guilty to all charges and requested a jury trial. A memo filed by Kraft's attorneys revealed that hidden cameras had been installed when investigators entered the facility under the guise of a bomb threat. A Palm Beach County judge ruled that prosecutors could not use the videos in their case, citing privacy concerns. A Florida appeals court also ruled that Kraft's constitutional rights were violated, and all the charges were dropped. US District Judge Rodolfo Ruiz ordered the videos to be destroyed. That attorney probably cost him $100,000.
AsianBlowjob
11-20-23, 18:07
Ask Robert Kraft how well things went when he went incognito to get a hand job in Florida. Kraft was among 25 people facing first-degree misdemeanor charges for soliciting prostitution at a day spa in 2019. Kraft's attorney electronically entered a not-guilty plea, and later submitted a court filing where Kraft waived arraignment, plead not guilty to all charges and requested a jury trial. A memo filed by Kraft's attorneys revealed that hidden cameras had been installed when investigators entered the facility under the guise of a bomb threat. A Palm Beach County judge ruled that prosecutors could not use the videos in their case, citing privacy concerns. A Florida appeals court also ruled that Kraft's constitutional rights were violated, and all the charges were dropped. US District Judge Rodolfo Ruiz ordered the videos to be destroyed. That attorney probably cost him $100,000.Your point is well taken, and pretty accurate, but Bobby K spent WAY more than $100 k on his team.
Also, he was allegedly getting blown on video. Handy was the first visit. Don't need that on TMZ.
His lawyers went to each and Every person arrested and basically said, "Shut up, We your lawyer now. " Every single one. Then they put the plan into action to squash it.
He spent millions.
And when you are worth billions, it's the same as a #1 combo meal from McDonalds.
DirtMerchant
12-10-23, 17:59
Already reported on the massage page about a week ago but found the article today:
https://chroniclet.com/news/374441/chestnut-commons-massage-parlor-ordered-closed/
Cleveland Report
12-11-23, 11:02
Funny. I know I have old eyes that don't see very well anymore but I still can't find the words "human trafficking" in there anywhere. Can you point me to them?
Actually, it is.
"were arrested and charged with conspiring to coerce and entice women to travel to engage in illegal sexual activity. ".
TooManyLadies8
12-13-23, 05:59
Funny. I know I have old eyes that don't see very well anymore but I still can't find the words "human trafficking" in there anywhere. Can you point me to them?All this time later and you still can't find it? It's in the second paragraph dude.
Another waste of our government money.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/12/20/ashtabula-massage-parlor-raided-sex-for-pay-investigations-says-ohio-ag/
Another waste of our government money.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/12/20/ashtabula-massage-parlor-raided-sex-for-pay-investigations-says-ohio-ag/Bet they'll never see that 10 grand again.
Cheech.
ScienceFair
01-02-24, 12:24
What fucking "documents" are in there LOL.
Finally an action taken that is justifiable tax dollars spent.
There need to be more of these and not the b. S. They normally waste our money on.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/operation-clean-sweep-cleveland-police-other-agencies-arrest-56-violent-offenders
DirtMerchant
01-04-24, 17:54
Finally an action taken that is justifiable tax dollars spent.
There need to be more of these and not the b. S. They normally waste our money on.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/operation-clean-sweep-cleveland-police-other-agencies-arrest-56-violent-offendersAgreed. Money well spent to get these violent offenders with warrants off the streets. That's some real police work there.
BuckeyeGuy2
01-18-24, 18:19
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/human-trafficking/canton-human-trafficking-operation-16-arrests-4-victims-saved-oshp/95-60ef55c7-2f81-462d-8a76-fb1a6f0b54b8
12 arrests for engaging in solicitation. I'm sure those were the guys looking for fun.
Broadview Heights massage parlor raided by Northeast Ohio Human Trafficking Task Force https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/01/24/broadview-heights-massage-parlor-raided-by-northeast-ohio-human-trafficking-task-force/.
Broadview Hts raided.
DirtMerchant
01-24-24, 16:42
Broadview Heights massage parlor raided by Northeast Ohio Human Trafficking Task Force https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/01/24/broadview-heights-massage-parlor-raided-by-northeast-ohio-human-trafficking-task-force/.
Broadview Hts raided.This shit's getting out of hand. They just want that money. Hope they liked the 7 k. No trafficking going on there.
BuckeyeGuy2
01-24-24, 17:26
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BudBowl2001
02-05-24, 11:19
https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2024/02/man-seeking-massage-goes-to-medina-county-house-gets-robbed-authorities-say.html
https://medina-gazette.com/news/379874/two-arrested-after-holding-man-at-gunpoint/
Boonniee99
02-25-24, 00:07
What swingers clubs would you guys recommend for a single guy?
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