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I leave $ on her fireplace 100 tip!? 60 hr + 100 tip = 160 WoW! Hope that included a BBBJ and / or FS. 160 hr is Hooker Money not MP Lady Money. Amber used to do prostate HJ on the flip for 40 tip. 100 total for the hour!
NJ.
This one looked inviting yesterday, when I called her she sounded inviting too. One of her ads said nude massage.
Directions lead me to a private apartment south of 44 off Kalamazoo. Nice neighborhood ok incall.
No massage table availble, Bed was made with what appeared to be a clean cover.
Biker type, rough around the edges and maybe the middle too. Not my type. Bigger girl, not a BBW.
The pic is not her ass, if it looked like the pic on BP I might have stayed.
So I kinda toftt, I didn't go any further than the hallway. Saved my $70 and hopefully giving you a heads up before you call.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/enjoy-my-soft-touches/21770525
So I kinda toftt, I didn't go any further than the hallway. Saved my $70 and hopefully giving you a heads up before you call.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/enjoy-my-soft-touches/21770525This is how it's done boys. The Customer and the Cash are Always KING! Benz bailed before any money was wasted. A lot of guys would give into the Nagging coming from the Little Head and stay anyway and be bummed afterwards. Just like a lot of guys have OVER TIPPED at the GR MPs recently, which drives up the price for the rest of us.
Thanks for the refresher course Benz.
NJ.
I leave $ on her fireplace and grab her Altoids on the way out. She has so much damn class. I passed on the bottle of water. Dirty talking sexy smile. Arch. I always said I wouldn't pass her name. Its hard for me to see her. She is busy. Off I had more without missing my own car payment I would see her more often. Hope that helps. Call ahead for time. Let her know if she can text back. She may cancel due to migraines. Give her leway. Its real and worth it for truely real conversation and real expressions. GFE. But real RULES.So 160?
Plenty of escort FS / BBBJ for 160.
Guys like you are adding to GPS issues at the parlors.
Please stop over tipping!
A HJ is not worth $100 + door fee!
JackRabbit2
03-11-16, 10:17
Why not call me a Gentleman, Generous or Respectful. It costs 60 to get in the door. A MP does not get that. Only a portion. For a straight massage you should leave behind 15 automatically. Anywhere you go. Even if she is ugly and over weight. Then ad to that a conversation that is English, knowledgeable and of interest to you. Add 15. Add to that a clean room and place to lay your rude self. Talking FS, for under $ I would not touch. Not if I had on a trench coat. An umbrella is good for someone with trust and at least $. GPS?? No Way.
She did not ask for anything. Never does. She has rules and expects you to follow them. No FS and No BS. Includes Bullshit. Yes, she still tells me. And I abide. I don't want her to not see me. I don't understand how you would see an E or MP and think 0 nly one $ would get you through the door and past the cotton shield unless she was waiting for you to leave so that she could score a fix and shoot up. One of your type flat lined last year. Yes that will happen anyway but the point is your cheap.
You should keep the price up so the girls have self respect and get less work. Cleaner for all. And less busy. It's hard enough to see Amber as is. The other girls told me she quit because she is taking all the clients. GPS or just plain good. All around. Half the time I just want to talk and hold her. At least she listens and smells good. I would take her on my team for trivial pursuit any day.
Don't be an ass. As often as you post, if you don't have $$ stay home.
So 160?
Plenty of escort FS / BBBJ for 160.
Guys like you are adding to GPS issues at the parlors.
Please stop over tipping!
A HJ is not worth $100 + door fee!I agree! Only was I'm giving up 100 tip is for BBBJCIM.
I hear tell that over tipping is now called being respectful or being a "gentleman". AND any Monger that wants to negotiate / give a fair tip for the services rendered is Cheap! AND tipping just because the room is clean is cool because we shouldn't expect the 60 we pay upfront for the hour to include a clean room! AND any MP Lady that is happy with someone not over tipping is "obviously" dirty and / or on Candy!
I'm thinking of using this logic the next time my car needs to be fixed. Say the final bill is 300, but the shop is really clean and I want that mechanic to know I'm a Gentleman with Respect, so I'll pay him 400. Can't wait to go grocery shopping and find how clean the store is, so that cashier and store manager know what a Gentleman I am!
NJ.
I hear tell that over tipping is now called being respectful or being a "gentleman". AND any Monger that wants to negotiate / give a fair tip for the services rendered is Cheap! AND tipping just because the room is clean is cool because we shouldn't expect the 60 we pay upfront for the hour to include a clean room! AND any MP Lady that is happy with someone not over tipping is "obviously" dirty and / or on Candy!
I'm thinking of using this logic the next time my car needs to be fixed. Say the final bill is 300, but the shop is really clean and I want that mechanic to know I'm a Gentleman with Respect, so I'll pay him 400. Can't wait to go grocery shopping and find how clean the store is, so that cashier and store manager know what a Gentleman I am!
NJ.
I think we are replying to Amber here and not a monger.
Wording of the last reply and over use of "gentleman" is the clue.
Only see that word in BP ads. Not in 100's of USAG posts do I find that word.
Convo over for me.
DirtyOne313
03-11-16, 20:43
Hello GR mongers! Detroit area guy here thinking about heading out your way because of all of the non AMP options. Which ones are the best to visit and which ones have open menus. If you don't have comfortable posting here, please PM!
Charlie441
03-11-16, 23:16
It costs 60 to get in the door. A MP does not get that. Only a portion. For a straight massage you should leave behind 15 automatically. Anywhere you go. Even if she is ugly and over weight. Then ad to that a conversation that is English, knowledgeable and of interest to you. Add 15. A MP gets 60. Sure the gal will only get a cut of that, as expected. It's not a $60/ hr job. Do you tip a waitress because the table is clean? There are some things to be expected. You're generous. But you're not more a gentleman to tip 50% to a waitress for adequate / par service than a guy tipping 28%. Just more generous. The argument is about Good, Fair Market Price vs Excessive Market Price. When too many guys pay excessive market price, GPS develops.
You do not make a good case for justifying why it should be Deservingly that high.
You should keep the price up so the girls have self respect and get less work. Cleaner for all. And less busy.That I see logic in. But $60 for a massage + $40-$50 for a HJ depending on her looks, massage skill, and usage of time is a good, fair market price. You're acting like it is bare bones that any guy off the street is willing to pay, as if it's a steal. It's not. That is keeping the price up to not let any riff raff come waltzing in all the time.
Don't be an ass. As often as you post, if you don't have $$ stay home.But by your logic, if you can't pay $500 for a massage and a HJ at the end, even if she's ugly & overweight as you put it, then you should stay home if you don't have the $$. Obviously that would be ridiculous to say. So really, the argument is just about what is a good, fair market price as the baseline and to keep the riff raff away. $100 out the door for 50 minutes keeps it high for just a massage and a wack-a-doo at the end.
Hello GR mongers! Detroit area guy here thinking about heading out your way because of all of the non AMP options. Which ones are the best to visit and which ones have open menus. If you don't have comfortable posting here, please PM!Stop at the Hawaii Health Spa in Charlotte, on Lansing Rd off from I-69 on your way to GR. Table shower, sauna, full open menu. Then stop at LA Spa, Portland exit off from 96 W. Koreans with open menu. No table shower or sauna. Once in GR there are No true AMPs with open menus.
Enjoy your drive.
NJ.
Stop at the Hawaii Health Spa in Charlotte, on Lansing Rd off from I-69 on your way to GR. Table shower, sauna, full open menu. Then stop at LA Spa, Portland exit off from 96 W. Koreans with open menu. No table shower or sauna. Once in GR there are No true AMPs with open menus.
Enjoy your drive.
NJ.He overlooked Nicole or Nikki. She doesn't do it for me. Way too big. But she will FS and BBBJ. She's usually at Mama Dees (Holland), or East West.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/nicoleblack-hair-grey-eyes/23676642
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/playmate-of-the-yr-sexxii-nikka/23666402
Stop at the Hawaii Health Spa in Charlotte, on Lansing Rd off from I-69 on your way to GR. Table shower, sauna, full open menu. Then stop at LA Spa, Portland exit off from 96 W. Koreans with open menu. No table shower or sauna. Once in GR there are No true AMPs with open menus.
Enjoy your drive.
NJ.I thought LA was shut down?
This one looked inviting yesterday, when I called her she sounded inviting too. One of her ads said nude massage.
Directions lead me to a private apartment south of 44 off Kalamazoo. Nice neighborhood ok incall.
No massage table availble, Bed was made with what appeared to be a clean cover.
Biker type, rough around the edges and maybe the middle too. Not my type. Bigger girl, not a BBW.
The pic is not her ass, if it looked like the pic on BP I might have stayed.
So I kinda toftt, I didn't go any further than the hallway. Saved my $70 and hopefully giving you a heads up before you call.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/enjoy-my-soft-touches/21770525I've suspected that this is Lenna, who was at Momma Dees in Holland, then went on her own to a house in GR near the Zoo. If it is, there were numerous reports of her being a total rip off; tremendous upsell, then took their money, no ms, no he, nothing. Also advertises as Snow. Saw her once at Momma Ds; older blonde (probably a looker in her youth), rushed, but I made her go thru the motions with a MS and a HE.
He overlooked Nicole or Nikki. She doesn't do it for me. Way too big. But she will FS and BBBJ. She's usually at Mama Dees (Holland), or East West.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/nicoleblack-hair-grey-eyes/23676642
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/playmate-of-the-yr-sexxii-nikka/23666402I overlooked her because she's not Asian. He seemed to be looking for AMPs. Plus Nikki is Fugly and into some type of Candy.
I thought LA was shut down?It was open in Oct / Nov when I last went. They get raided and shut down about every 2 years and always reopen. They are super paranoid on your first visit because of the history, but sweet as pie after the know you are cool.
A MP gets 60. Sure the gal will only get a cut of that, as expected. It's not a $60/ hr job. As far as I understand these joints, the girl gets nothing from the time fee. That goes 100% to the house. The girls work solely for tips. That's based on the conversations I have at places I frequent, and the girls usually know me pretty well, and are generally open about their job, life and such.
In any case, my tip standard is same as the time charge. That's mostly $40 half hour, $40 tip. And for that, I expect a standard rub and tug experience, with a fun, fit, young woman who gets naked or nearly so and welcomes roaming throughout the session. If I really enjoy a girl or session, I will sometimes throw in another $20.
At that level of tipping, even the busy girls are not making $60 an hour, because there is down time between every session, and even the most requested girls can sit idle for half the time they are at the parlor. After you break it all down, it is easy money, but not really big money these girls are making.
I would be interested to hear, though, if my tipping level is about standard, or am I contributing to GPS. Please post or PM.
As far as I understand these joints, the girl gets nothing from the time fee. That goes 100% to the house. The girls work solely for tips. That's based on the conversations I have at places I frequent, and the girls usually know me pretty well, and are generally open about their job, life and such.
In any case, my tip standard is same as the time charge. That's mostly $40 half hour, $40 tip. And for that, I expect a standard rub and tug experience, with a fun, fit, young woman who gets naked or nearly so and welcomes roaming throughout the session. If I really enjoy a girl or session, I will sometimes throw in another $20.
At that level of tipping, even the busy girls are not making $60 an hour, because there is down time between every session, and even the most requested girls can sit idle for half the time they are at the parlor. After you break it all down, it is easy money, but not really big money these girls are making.
I would be interested to hear, though, if my tipping level is about standard, or am I contributing to GPS. Please post or PM.Your tip level is exactly what I do. I drop to 20 if its half-assed massage or HE.
I'll go to 80 only for BBBJ or FS but that's a very rare menu item so seldom happens.
As far as I understand these joints, the girl gets nothing from the time fee. That goes 100% to the house. The girls work solely for tips. That's based on the conversations I have at places I frequent, and the girls usually know me pretty well, and are generally open about their job, life and such.
In any case, my tip standard is same as the time charge. That's mostly $40 half hour, $40 tip. And for that, I expect a standard rub and tug experience, with a fun, fit, young woman who gets naked or nearly so and welcomes roaming throughout the session. If I really enjoy a girl or session, I will sometimes throw in another $20.
At that level of tipping, even the busy girls are not making $60 an hour, because there is down time between every session, and even the most requested girls can sit idle for half the time they are at the parlor. After you break it all down, it is easy money, but not really big money these girls are making.
I would be interested to hear, though, if my tipping level is about standard, or am I contributing to GPS. Please post or PM.They are lying to you Tom. Why not? You wouldn't tip as much if you know the truth.
They get half of the door fee. The MP splits 50/50. The honest ones will tell you the truth.
They are lying to you Tom. Why not? You wouldn't tip as much if you know the truth.
They get half of the door fee. The MP splits 50/50. The honest ones will tell you the truth.Benz is right. Any girl that says they don't get any of the door fee is blowing smoke up your ass. I've seen Mama Dee, Jenifer and Kiet hand the girls their cut of the door fee. Some girls get 40 of the 60 for an hour because they "supervise" or bring in a lot of business.
Benz is right. Any girl that says they don't get any of the door fee is blowing smoke up your ass. I've seen Mama Dee, Jenifer and Kiet hand the girls their cut of the door fee. Some girls get 40 of the 60 for an hour because they "supervise" or bring in a lot of business.
The MP splits 50/50. The honest ones will tell you the truth.Well I will "out" myself I am a provider at a local MP. Just to clear up the misconception about how much we get from the room rate it veries from 50/50 if you are legit with a license and then it goes to $20 hour /$10 half hour if you are not licensed. The MPs also take 10% of your tips if the client tips on a credit card. We also have to pay for supplies of $10-20 a week. Oh and if the provider goes over the half hour or hour then the provider needs to cough up the portion of the room rate for the additional time. I never short my clients there time but this might be a reason why some of the other ladies do so. I troll this page just to make sure if something is said about myself I will improve upon my services. Most ladies will tell you all about the MP but please remember that they are giving you information pertinent to them and all MP providers are not the same.
Well I will "out" myself I am a provider at a local MP. Just to clear up the misconception about how much we get from the room rate it veries from 50/50 if you are legit with a license and then it goes to $20 hour /$10 half hour if you are not licensed. The MPs also take 10% of your tips if the client tips on a credit card. We also have to pay for supplies of $10-20 a week. Oh and if the provider goes over the half hour or hour then the provider needs to cough up the portion of the room rate for the additional time. I never short my clients there time but this might be a reason why some of the other ladies do so. I troll this page just to make sure if something is said about myself I will improve upon my services. Most ladies will tell you all about the MP but please remember that they are giving you information pertinent to them and all MP providers are not the same.Clearing the air??
It is not all about the money for me, some of these girls don't give good massages because they are lazy, just because they are the pretty one you pick doesn't get them the pot of gold. Plus I've noticed that some want more than an escorts BJ for a HJ.
Fine, if they want to be that way, I moved on and will get the occasional massage from a good mp and absolutely no expectations of anything else. Then see a good escort for the extras.
When I left the MP curcuit in Grand Rapids they all lost money. And I'm not the only one that has left, so all of the gps has cost them more revenue in the long run.
Happy Hobbying with GrandRapids escorts for extras not MPs.
DirtyOne313
03-12-16, 21:52
I overlooked her because she's not Asian. He seemed to be looking for AMPs. Plus Nikki is Fugly and into some type of Candy.Thanks for the info! I was actually hoping for non AMP. In Detroit, that seems to be all that we have.
JackRabbit2
03-12-16, 22:09
Clearing the air??
It is not all about the money for me, some of these girls don't give good massages because they are lazy, just because they are the pretty one you pick doesn't get them the pot of gold. Plus I've noticed that some want more than an escorts BJ for a HJ.
Fine, if they want to be that way, I moved on and will get the occasional massage from a good mp and absolutely no expectations of anything else. Then see a good escort for the extras.
When I left the MP curcuit in Grand Rapids they all lost money. And I'm not the only one that has left, so all of the gps has cost them more revenue in the long run.
Happy Hobbying with GrandRapids escorts for extras not MPs.No harm intended from letter one. I don't believe this was all necessary. Once again I am usually a silent background observer. I have learned many things here. Hell I have learned a lot from different girls and shops. When I tipped a full $ for the service it was not just for a massage.
*Yes the room was clean. That gets credit. But I walked through a dirty shop to get to it. Pile of dishes and filthy floors with trash all over. In her room I know that the towels have been cleaned and not just flipped over.
*Yes I paid extra for starting a massage with a massage instead of bickering about a menu. As things were moving along with talk and feel it must have warmed up in the room. I could tell because she got comfy. All while having an intelligent conversation and a massage I wanted. Sometimes I need a powerful massage and sometimes I want my hair to stand straight up and I'm ready for a flip.
*upon being cleaned up with clean hot towels I flip and still so pocket picking. Gouging for a shirt or roaming into a volcano. She did hand me hand sanitizer and I got the point. Really!! Very nice.
*A HJ with a smile, grin, wink, nibble and speed rate by my breath and look. It's so good I don't care if she is not DD. Her hands and or a body slide are close to the feel yet safe without a cover.
*After the cleanup I also have a choice to finish with cuddling, massage or shower. My choice. I am not hurried along.
*Many times I call days ahead so that I can see her at the time of my choice. When I do not have time to schedule and just walk in because I'm going to erupt I will walk out if she is not available and handle it myself or comeback hopefully in an hour or so.
*My home and Business are only an Hour away so I can usually accommodate. She is a busy girl and a skilled one.
*don't need a Dr. , ok, maybe a fetish, I cannot believe the stories and acting / knowledge this girl has. She is NOT like the other girls.
This is all not an advertiser for her. But it is damn sure worth one $. I have never gone to an escort and I have never been to a AMP for FS. It's not to say you cannot.
Now to add because now I'm a target. I TOFTT. This past Monday I tried a Nail / Massage place on a side road south east 2 blocks of 44th and the. AP for a full Rub was $60 and as I caressed a beautiful calf and up all I got was / not here. No. Asking for a clearer view and a more adult feel I got nothing. On my stomach I was in a full birthday suit. I did it pay to get on the table. On the chair had my phone, $$ and pillow underneath them. Still no sales on the flip. Upon the flip she then covered the bouncing wood. I pulled it to the side a few times and asked for a more beach like view. It was apparent why I was there and was going to be generous. Her name was see together with indy. Very nice but even just a great sport and good massage I donated 20.
And leaver her I did not get altoids and water. Just classy by the girl at the 44th and Kallamazo location by the name, a shade of red.
Thanks and good night. No harm no foul. Amber is a beautiful shade of red. Hope she sticks around.
I'm going to "out" myself too! I'm not really an older, horny, out of shape Monger with grey hair. I'm really a 26 year old, in shape, 6 pack abs, Brad Pitt / David Beckham looking Stud with GCS (golden cock syndrome)! I hope I won't be treated like a piece of fresh young meat, but instead, treated with kindness and love and above all, like a Human Being!
Thank You and Godspeed.
NJ.
The MPs also take 10% of your tips if the client tips on a credit card. We also have to pay for supplies of $10-20 a week. Oh and if the provider goes over the half hour or hour then the provider needs to cough up the portion of the room rate for the additional time. I never short my clients there time but this might be a reason why some of the other ladies do so.10% of the Tip. Sounds like you work for Jennifer. Laywers ain't cheap!
The going over time worries are easily solved by utilizing a Clock. I know Kiet at Pacific loses his mind when the girls go over. But to be real, a lot of these girls, the young ones and a few older ones like Jennifer, are constantly fucking with their smartphones DURING the massage! The phone has the time on it! So, shorting the customer or going over shouldn't be an issue.
My High Horse is tripping over my Soap Box so it's time to sign out kids!
NJ.
(The Riddler) speaks of necessity, postings are necessary for information to be shared by mongers on the prowl including the Riddler.
Postings will expose bad sevices or no service and lies being told to us by the providers. This was an Epic stream of info started by the Riddler. Hopefully this thread has been helpful in exposing the lies being told to Tom and probably many others about the house fee split.
Kudos to the honest provider that shared her information on the situation. Maybe someday she can expose herself to all of us. So we can thank her properly for her honesty. (Plus it would be nice to get a free peak at the goodies, when she exposes herself). Honesty does have a payday, not right away but someday. Thank you Dddinks. (Expose yourself) (Now Damit) (We want to see the goodies).
This post was written straight forward, I hope everyone can understand it without the winding road of riddles.
No harm intended from letter one. I don't believe this was all necessary. Once again I am usually a silent background observer. I have learned many things here. Hell I have learned a lot from different girls and shops. When I tipped a full $ for the service it was not just for a massage.
*Yes the room was clean. That gets credit. But I walked through a dirty shop to get to it. Pile of dishes and filthy floors with trash all over. In her room I know that the towels have been cleaned and not just flipped over.
*Yes I paid extra for starting a massage with a massage instead of bickering about a menu. As things were moving along with talk and feel it must have warmed up in the room. I could tell because she got comfy. All while having an intelligent conversation and a massage I wanted. Sometimes I need a powerful massage and sometimes I want my hair to stand straight up and I'm ready for a flip.
*upon being cleaned up with clean hot towels I flip and still so pocket picking. Gouging for a shirt or roaming into a volcano. She did hand me hand sanitizer and I got the point. Really!! Very nice.
*A HJ with a smile, grin, wink, nibble and speed rate by my breath and look. It's so good I don't care if she is not DD. Her hands and or a body slide are close to the feel yet safe without a cover.
*After the cleanup I also have a choice to finish with cuddling, massage or shower. My choice. I am not hurried along.
*Many times I call days ahead so that I can see her at the time of my choice. When I do not have time to schedule and just walk in because I'm going to erupt I will walk out if she is not available and handle it myself or comeback hopefully in an hour or so.
*My home and Business are only an Hour away so I can usually accommodate. She is a busy girl and a skilled one.
*don't need a Dr. , ok, maybe a fetish, I cannot believe the stories and acting / knowledge this girl has. She is NOT like the other girls.
This is all not an advertiser for her. But it is damn sure worth one $. I have never gone to an escort and I have never been to a AMP for FS. It's not to say you cannot.
Now to add because now I'm a target. I TOFTT. This past Monday I tried a Nail / Massage place on a side road south east 2 blocks of 44th and the. AP for a full Rub was $60 and as I caressed a beautiful calf and up all I got was / not here. No. Asking for a clearer view and a more adult feel I got nothing. On my stomach I was in a full birthday suit. I did it pay to get on the table. On the chair had my phone, $$ and pillow underneath them. Still no sales on the flip. Upon the flip she then covered the bouncing wood. I pulled it to the side a few times and asked for a more beach like view. It was apparent why I was there and was going to be generous. Her name was see together with indy. Very nice but even just a great sport and good massage I donated 20.
And leaver her I did not get altoids and water. Just classy by the girl at the 44th and Kallamazo location by the name, a shade of red.
Thanks and good night. No harm no foul. Amber is a beautiful shade of red. Hope she sticks around.Got to say, just my opinion, but all 3 of your posts about Amber and pushing why a $100 tip for a HJ is acceptable sounds like they were either written by Amber herself or a shill or a seriously wimpy guy. After reading your post I wouldn't see her if even if her expected tip was a more lnnormal $40, any lady who uses deceit to try to drum up business goes on my no see list, whether or not she has Golden Pussy Syndrome.
Laptop1000
03-13-16, 15:24
I can offer some thoughts on the Panacea girls. I'll PM you. (Anyone else, PM me if you want some intel).Saw Allison last week. She has a decent body in a decent face. Very friendly but did not offer any extras. Very nice ending topless only.
I just want to throw my 2 cents into the pot about tips in MP's. I have had everything from FS for 20 plus 40 house fee at Pacific on 44th (sara / with anal) to 120 plus 60 house fee for an absolute porn star fuck session with Mikki at the Islands in Lansing and everything in between. Why we tip and how much we tip has many factors. The girl, the establishment and what we are looking for (service) all play a part. Same goes for Escorts, I have had FREE service (Ivy) to paying 400/2 hours with Thai Princess. Overall, I try to keep my donations low so I can visit more frequently, but I have the occasional exceptions on both ends of the price spectrum. Most of us know the "standard" rate for tips at MP's and donations to Escorts but even I don't follow the norm now and then.
I just want to throw my 2 cents into the pot about tips in MP's. I have had everything from FS for 20 plus 40 house fee at Pacific on 44th (sara / with anal) to 120 plus 60 house fee for an absolute porn star fuck session with Mikki at the Islands in Lansing and everything in between. Why we tip and how much we tip has many factors. The girl, the establishment and what we are looking for (service) all play a part. Same goes for Escorts, I have had FREE service (Ivy) to paying 400/2 hours with Thai Princess. Overall, I try to keep my donations low so I can visit more frequently, but I have the occasional exceptions on both ends of the price spectrum. Most of us know the "standard" rate for tips at MP's and donations to Escorts but even I don't follow the norm now and then.You're right but I bet you never dropped 60 door + 100 tip for a HE.
Anal? Wow first time I've hear of that service at a MP!
Porthos1844
03-14-16, 17:45
You're right but I bet you never dropped 60 door + 100 tip for a HE.
I have. But as the OP noted, we all have our reasons. For instance, I have run into a MP provider recently who is exactly what I am looking for. She is a trained masseuse and gives a fantastic therapeutic massage. I'll pay more for that. She is also my perfect body type (stacked). I tipped very well the first time around and got a great massage and the standard (albeit very nice) ending. The second time around, she knows me better, knows I will respect her with a good tip and, voila!, more is available. I'll be going back for a third time here shortly. Finding out what is available is part of the fun.
Sometimes, you tip well not for the current session, but for future ones. Could I get an escort for what I paid? Sure. But you can also end up on an air mattress in a laundry-filled living room with mechanical event.
You're right but I bet you never dropped 60 door + 100 tip for a HE.
Anal? Wow first time I've hear of that service at a MP!Sara was the Royal Jewel.
Sara was the Royal Jewel.Where is she now?
Hey guys,
I've been out of the loop as I ended up ball and chained (so I had moored my fishing boat and played hubby).
I am still a fisher of women, and am in need of what I don't get home. Massage with BBBJ. I had this set up in Ann Arbor as a weekly but alas I'm back in GR. Can any seniors help me out. Not looking to screw even I have my lines while anchored. But I could use an oral queen who can really rub.
Where is she now?She was nothing to look at whatsoever.
She was nothing to look at whatsoever.I don't want to see, I want to feel LOL.
Is she the red hair?
I don't want to see, I want to feel LOL.
Is she the red hair?It was maybe 2-3 years ago that happened. She also had a house with grand parents I think it was on the s. E. Side. Brunette if I remember right. LOL, my memory sucks, you right. She would text me in desperate need of cash and I would negotiate her down to almost nothing. She was around a 3 for looks on my scale and maybe a 6 for body. It was cheap with anal included.
TNC Massage on Plainfield has an older Asian woman masseuse that I visited and received HJ. Basic house rate and no talk about tip during entire massage. I went for a "medical massage" and wanted her to make sure everything worked, LOL. Massage was just ok, typical. Flip took a lot of talk and motions to get her to see if things worked. Roaming allowed with restrictions. I paid 60 plus 30 tip on the way out. Was it worth it? No, absolutely not. Will I go again? Not at those prices. Did I over pay? Yes, I just wanted something different.
Her name? Kum, no lie. LOL.
Any idea on Lauren? Search only comes up with an asian lauren from why massage, not this one.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/the-amazing-lauren/19943370
I actually need the rb more than the tug, so if anyone has a great massuese. With tug 👍. Please recommed-.
Have had Jessica who gives great massage, but all her ads are down.
Thanks for the help.
It was maybe 2-3 years ago that happened. She also had a house with grand parents I think it was on the s. E. Side. Brunette if I remember right. LOL, my memory sucks, you right. She would text me in desperate need of cash and I would negotiate her down to almost nothing. She was around a 3 for looks on my scale and maybe a 6 for body. It was cheap with anal included.I knew her house, and stopped by on a whim, since I lost her number.
New people living there now, so do not just stop by.
I remember getting a call / text from another girl last summer, and asking if I knew Sara.
Thinking either the grey bar hotel got her, or she moved out of state. I know she had kids and a lot of other issues, that is why she would take it the way she did for the cash she got.
Charlie441
03-16-16, 04:31
As far as I understand these joints, the girl gets nothing from the time fee.I was meaning MP=Massage Parlor, as opposed to it going to some other ownership company or something weird like that. .
With that said (as posted by others), the whole $60 isn't going to stick purely to the house. Of course many will want to strongly imply that in general, and very possibly claim that 1-on-1 when alone. They arguably don't make enough if hardly tipped, sure -- why not err on the safe side, right? If you think Hooters waitresses are going to be vying for a strong tip, what do you think a masseuse, even one you've gotten to know who's doing the same with other repeat customers, is going to do / say? Certainly not to imply that you don't have to tip as much as you already have! .
$60 tip for $60-hr massage? I think the wise move for that would be if it was due to a "if I really enjoyed a girl or session, throw in an another $20". As in something very solidly above par, and even another $20 more than $20 more for more. I'm not advocating cheap-skate. I'm just making an argument for the baseline price for the baseline stuff, is all.
And as others have said, you don't need to do the same thing every time, and lots of people due to special personal taste will drop a bit more than 'needed'. Fine, great. I think dropping $100 tip for an HE giving credit to clean towels and drapes, and looking at others as if they're cheap is the real issue that many should roll their eyes at, is all. .
OrdinaryJo
03-16-16, 10:10
Anyone know what became of Sandie? I saw her post in February and it looked like she was back to being independent after the stint at Spa 37. Anyone still in contact with her?
AlexKai777
03-16-16, 12:34
Anyone try this one before? Pretty girl.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/relaxing-massage-from-pretty-girl/23467971
$60 tip for $60-hr massage? I think the wise move for that would be if it was due to a "if I really enjoyed a girl or session, throw in an another $20". As in something very solidly above par, and even another $20 more than $20 more for more. I'm not advocating cheap-skate. Don't mean to be rude, but I have no clue what you are saying there. You only tip $20 for an hour HE massage, or maybe something else?
In any case, it's clear that some guys are shopping for different things. I couldn't care less about the drapes and such. I just compartmentalize. If I want to fuck, I find an escort. If I want a massage, I'd prefer a place that isn't a dump, the girls speak English and don't giggle and pretend to understand less when you get to the fun part, and most importantly the girls aren't all tatted and pierced up, as old as me or older, or more chunky or less attractive than a chick I could see myself dating.
But hey, that just me and I totally respect that other guys are looking for more action at the massage parlor than I am or something entirely different. I think I've also heard pretty clearly that my 40+40 for a good HE rub and tug with a smoking hot young, fit, American woman is right in the ball park, and definitely not contributing to GPS, which was the focus of my original question.
Good discussion all around on this topic.
JackRabbit2
03-16-16, 18:04
I was meaning MP=Massage Parlor, as opposed to it going to some other ownership company or something weird like that. .
With that said (as posted by others), the whole $60 isn't going to stick purely to the house. Of course many will want to strongly imply that in general, and very possibly claim that 1-on-1 when alone. They arguably don't make enough if hardly tipped, sure -- why not err on the safe side, right? If you think Hooters waitresses are going to be vying for a strong tip, what do you think a masseuse, even one you've gotten to know who's doing the same with other repeat customers, is going to do / say? Certainly not to imply that you don't have to tip as much as you already have! .
$60 tip for $60-hr massage? I think the wise move for that would be if it was due to a "if I really enjoyed a girl or session, throw in an another $20". As in something very solidly above par, and even another $20 more than $20 more for more. I'm not advocating cheap-skate. I'm just making an argument for the baseline price for the baseline stuff, is all.
And as others have said, you don't need to do the same thing every time, and lots of people due to special personal taste will drop a bit more than 'needed'. Fine, great. I think dropping $100 tip for an HE giving credit to clean towels and drapes, and looking at others as if they're cheap is the real issue that many should roll their eyes at, is all. .It was for an excellent massage.
It was for a walnut massage giving actual relief needed.
Yes clean towels, not flipped and a clean decorated room.
It was for conversation from a talented worldly woman.
It was for my roaming a beautiful naked body as I wanted.
It was for her smile start to finish with enthusiasm. Not mopping and sad.
For real reaction from what I was doing.
For the power she commanded in hard on that others do not bring.
For the dirty stories with suspense that I crave all week long.
Then after cleanup I can continue a needed cool down massage from exhaustion.
That is all worth the door fee $60 and $100 tip. Sorry everyone still needs to dig at me.
I will see her soon and tell her I am sorry. And I believe that dddinks was her trying to help. Those of you who have seen her I am surprised more don't chime in. Maybe you had a bad experience. I'll buy you lunch. I am sorry. Hard to believe from my experience.
Anyone try this one before? Pretty girl.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/relaxing-massage-from-pretty-girl/23467971Your link doesn't go to the add so I'm not sure if it's the Tara that use to or still works at East West but if so I would pass. So so massage nd big up sell on the tip like the rest of the girls that work there.
JackRabbit2
03-16-16, 21:15
Any recommendations.You must see Dr. Amber Wow. Milking a walnut is a specialty. And in and on. I have been ripped a new one on here for over tipping this lady. I hope you see her and tip the same. Read all my messages and the rips on me. She is a Dr of Ahhhhhh.
AlexKai777
03-16-16, 23:59
Your link doesn't go to the add so I'm not sure if it's the Tara that use to or still works at East West but if so I would pass. So so massage nd big up sell on the tip like the rest of the girls that work there.Thanks. Thats nice to know. Fuck those upsell *****.
AlexKai777
03-17-16, 00:00
You must see Dr. Amber Wow. Milking a walnut is a specialty. And in and on. I have been ripped a new one on here for over tipping this lady. I hope you see her and tip the same. Read all my messages and the rips on me. She is a Dr of Ahhhhhh.Got Dr. Amber's link? Or info? I'd love to see her. Does she only do Hand job or she does more?
Charlie441
03-17-16, 04:07
You only tip $20 for an hour HE massage, or maybe something else?I was speaking in reference to the "$20 extra" line. I was saying I agree with the notion of $20 *more* After what would be a standard tip if it was beyond 'par' -- and even $20 more after that, if it's above that above 'par'. Meaning, I'm not against tipping more than some standardized alloted amount. What those $20 increments up was in reference to, was my argument that $60 h /$40 t ratio is just fine for a baseline for something nothing / nobody-special-just-standard-HE.
I think I've also heard pretty clearly that my 40+40 for a good HE rub and tug with a smoking hot young, fit, American woman is right in the ball park, and definitely not contributing to GPS, which was the focus of my original question.I agree with that. IMO, one should be much more apt to go 40+40 on a HH, comparatively speaking. If she's smoking hot and gives a great HE, no argument there by anyone for 40+40. My eyebrow raised was doing 60/60 by an average Jo with a mechanical HE -- and then to up it by $20 more to $60/$80 if the HE was good by Avg Jo or HE was standard but it was by a real cutie.
Thanks. Thats nice to know. Fuck those upsell *****.Any girls associated with east west nowadays want a blue one for a HJ in a parka.
AlexKai777
03-18-16, 11:38
So I saw Dr. Amber. She's ugly.
The ad from a few days ago is different. Now closed weekends. Really strange for a service business. No provider names are listed as they used to be. End of ad is for help wanted. I don't think potential providers will look in there to know there are openings. Anyone know what is going on there? Who left and who is still there? And if any of you need a job it might allow some of us monger to get to know each other more intimately.
Here is the ad link. http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/serenity-massage-studio-6000-a-hour/14561288.
So I saw Dr. Amber. She's ugly.So are you saying no 100 tip then? *grin*.
I highly doubt that you saw her today or anytime this week. Since she was sick all week long and has not been at work since last week Friday. You might have seen an Amber but not the one he was talking about.
I hope this is enough "Exposure" for you.So far it looks good enough to eat. Mmmmm, I wonder if daty is on the menu?
Jackrabbit2 never gave us the full menu. He obviously fell in love with the menu? or the provider?
Maybe a senior needs to go in and give a proper assessment.
Let's pass the hat to cover the cost and send in our resident MP expert. NoseJelly!
NoseJelly will tell us what's up or down.
Maybe a senior needs to go in and give a proper assessment.
Let's pass the hat to cover the cost and send in our resident MP expert. NoseJelly!
NoseJelly will tell us what's up or down.Instead of just any ole hat, make it a Non La or a Sombrero. You know how I likes those Vietnamese and Latin womens!
NJ.
Is this Dr. Amber or someone else?
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/royal-touchs-amber/16469444
Bacardi1314
03-22-16, 12:22
Driving home from work last night and noticed a GR cruiser in the E / W parking lot. Any scoop what happened?
Driving home from work last night and noticed a GR cruiser in the E / W parking lot. Any scoop what happened?Probably drugs, those chicks are stung out on meth or something heavy.
Driving home from work last night and noticed a GR cruiser in the E / W parking lot. Any scoop what happened?What is a GR cruiser doing in Wyoming?
Nope. Same Tammy. There must be a difference in perception between us regarding weight. She had mentioned she had stopped going to the gym and was going to start up again. But, I assure you the sweat was real. For some, that might be a bonus.Saw Tammy last week and she's more tight than flabby. While she's not a younger looker, her effort more than compensates. Decent massage (had better) with a fair amount of teasing. About half way thru the hour she showed me why I'll remember her name. Nice slow handling of my "problem" with a fine ability to take direction. She did not short time by finishing with a relaxing neck & shoulder massage. And she didn't sweat on me, though I might've lost some moisture myself.
SeekerOfSex
03-23-16, 12:14
What is a GR cruiser doing in Wyoming?I LOL'ed hard.
SeekerOfSex
03-24-16, 07:14
Ok so I'm. Not new to mongering but I have no clue how to do body rub incalls. I have no idea what the etiquette is. I've gone to a lady who advertised "body rubs" who definitely was only using that as a cover. I'm thinking heavily about jade. The reason I'm. Even considering this is because of all the flakes here in GR. So anyways, a friendly PM on proper behavior would be great. Especially if you've seen Jade. Thanks guys!
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/spring-is-almost-here-lets-put-a-sping-into-your-step/17497101
Ok so I'm. Not new to mongering but I have no clue how to do body rub incalls. I have no idea what the etiquette is. I've gone to a lady who advertised "body rubs" who definitely was only using that as a cover. I'm thinking heavily about jade. The reason I'm. Even considering this is because of all the flakes here in GR. So anyways, a friendly PM on proper behavior would be great. Especially if you've seen Jade. Thanks guys!
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/spring-is-almost-here-lets-put-a-sping-into-your-step/17497101If a woman or parlor advertises in the backpage adult entertainment section, you can presume there is a menu. Some only go for HE and mutual massage, others are more accommodating. But a girl would have to be a huge creep to put an ad in the adult section and then feign shock when a patron expected an adult session.
The basic etiquette is to keep the texting and phone discussion limited to scheduling details. When you meet, you can then discuss specifics, and should expect the girl won't object to that discussion.
But this site can get you way ahead of those guidelines. We have folks who have seen Jade and can PM details. Sadly, I cannot as I've tried and failed to get scheduled with Jade several times now.
Love The Lips
03-24-16, 09:24
Haven't had the chance to get over to Panacea lately but curious as to new talent there. Anyone partake lately? I know that my fave, Natasha is still there but Natalie and Aliese are gone. I'm hoping for some new younger petite ones!!
SeekerOfSex
03-24-16, 09:37
If a woman or parlor advertises in the backpage adult entertainment section, you can presume there is a menu. Some only go for HE and mutual massage, others are more accommodating. But a girl would have to be a huge creep to put an ad in the adult section and then feign shock when a patron expected an adult session.
The basic etiquette is to keep the texting and phone discussion limited to scheduling details. When you meet, you can then discuss specifics, and should expect the girl won't object to that discussion.
But this site can get you way ahead of those guidelines. We have folks who have seen Jade and can PM details. Sadly, I cannot as I've tried and failed to get scheduled with Jade several times now.Word. Thanks man!! I will try and let ya know. But. You. Know my recent track record.
Haven't had the chance to get over to Panacea lately but curious as to new talent there. Anyone partake lately? I know that my fave, Natasha is still there but Natalie and Aliese are gone. I'm hoping for some new younger petite ones!!Tia is really cute, young, and petite. Natasha, Tia, Peyton, Niki, and Melissa all get the thumbs up from me. PM me if you want any more specifics.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/playboy-bunny-theme-at-panacea/22054231
Melissa is the girl in the couch pic, sitting between Tia and Peyton. The others on my short list all have individual pics in this add. With their names listed.
Accidentally posted in wrong forum.
Saw melissa at panacea a week ago or so. Cute mid-20's white girl with nice t&a.
Mediocre massage but that's not really what I go for. Light teasing, then slight upsell on the flip, excellent topless w / roaming HE for. 40.
Would repeat! I've seen almost all the panacea girls now, except for Alison and Janelle, anyone seen them?
Is there a dependable place in GR to get FS as far as massage parlors go. I am from Jackson and all of the AMP's there offer it. Can't seem to find what I am looking for here.
Accidentally posted in wrong forum.
Saw melissa at panacea a week ago or so. Cute mid-20's white girl with nice t&a.
Mediocre massage but that's not really what I go for. Light teasing, then slight upsell on the flip, excellent topless w / roaming HE for. 40.
Would repeat! I've seen almost all the panacea girls now, except for Alison and Janelle, anyone seen them?Janelle has black hair and IMHO a great body. Probably the largest natural chest I have seen on a physically fit girl. She is probably young 20's. Sweet voice. Very sexy. Decent massage with too much oil. She was topless before the flip so that she could use them to help massage my back. No talk of tip. Allowed roaming all over and kissing of the oily boobs (that was not planned out well). HE then she was gone. Screwed me out of 20 minutes. I didn't get angry about that until now. I will repeat but I will stipulate that I expect 60 minutes.
Last time I went to Panacea, I was told that BEFORE the session even started, they expected to see a tip on the counter. She came in, said, "Oh, there's no tip on the counter. So you just want a plain massage!" It wasn't a question. It was a statement. I told her, no I would like to get the same service I always got from Natasha or Aliese. She told me that all the girls expect the tip to be out first so they know what to do without being too 'forward'.
Well that was bullshit. I figure there is no way I am going to tip someone that I have never dealt with before without knowing what I would get. I decided that I would explore other options instead.
Is this really their policy? I certainly would do that for Natasha, but no one else.
LonelyLove
03-25-16, 10:09
Last time I went to Panacea, I was told that BEFORE the session even started, they expected to see a tip on the counter. She came in, said, "Oh, there's no tip on the counter. So you just want a plain massage!" It wasn't a question. It was a statement. I told her, no I would like to get the same service I always got from Natasha or Aliese. She told me that all the girls expect the tip to be out first so they know what to do without being too 'forward'.
Well that was bullshit. I figure there is no way I am going to tip someone that I have never dealt with before without knowing what I would get. I decided that I would explore other options instead.
Is this really their policy? I certainly would do that for Natasha, but no one else.Yep. I was told that at the reception desk before even getting to a room. I hate that place. And, the no-shower situation is ridiculous for a place that dumps a gallon of oil on you. There's much better options elsewhere.
Last time I went to Panacea, I was told that BEFORE the session even started, they expected to see a tip on the counter. She came in, said, "Oh, there's no tip on the counter. So you just want a plain massage!" It wasn't a question. It was a statement. I told her, no I would like to get the same service I always got from Natasha or Aliese. She told me that all the girls expect the tip to be out first so they know what to do without being too 'forward'.
Well that was bullshit. I figure there is no way I am going to tip someone that I have never dealt with before without knowing what I would get. I decided that I would explore other options instead.
Is this really their policy? I certainly would do that for Natasha, but no one else.Been in twice recently. Peyton didn't mention tip at all, but Nikki wanted up front.
Last time I went to Panacea, I was told that BEFORE the session even started, they expected to see a tip on the counter. She came in, said, "Oh, there's no tip on the counter. So you just want a plain massage!" It wasn't a question. It was a statement. I told her, no I would like to get the same service I always got from Natasha or Aliese. She told me that all the girls expect the tip to be out first so they know what to do without being too 'forward'.
Well that was bullshit. I figure there is no way I am going to tip someone that I have never dealt with before without knowing what I would get. I decided that I would explore other options instead.
Is this really their policy? I certainly would do that for Natasha, but no one else.They just started that a couple months ago. Too many guys were stiffing them with no tip at all. This seems to work well for me, cause the girls now get comfortable right from the start.
Last time I went to Panacea, I was told that BEFORE the session even started, they expected to see a tip on the counter. She came in, said, "Oh, there's no tip on the counter. So you just want a plain massage!" It wasn't a question. It was a statement. I told her, no I would like to get the same service I always got from Natasha or Aliese. She told me that all the girls expect the tip to be out first so they know what to do without being too 'forward'.
Well that was bullshit. I figure there is no way I am going to tip someone that I have never dealt with before without knowing what I would get. I decided that I would explore other options instead.
Is this really their policy? I certainly would do that for Natasha, but no one else.I agree that is BS. Technically, a "tip" is supposed to be for service above what is normal or expected. When providers pull that on me, I tell them that I always tip at the end. Allmost all of them come around and give at least a half hearted HJ / HE. The few times they have not, I did not tip (I believe in not rewarding bad bahavior). If they give it any thought, if they don't give service, they are working the hour for only what the cut from the house is. With the right ending, they make $40 + for less than five minutes of their time. That, it seems, should be a no-brainer.
I agree that is BS. Technically, a "tip" is supposed to be for service above what is normal or expected. When providers pull that on me, I tell them that I always tip at the end. Allmost all of them come around and give at least a half hearted HJ / HE. The few times they have not, I did not tip (I believe in not rewarding bad bahavior). If they give it any thought, if they don't give service, they are working the hour for only what the cut from the house is. With the right ending, they make $40 + for less than five minutes of their time. That, it seems, should be a no-brainer.The way I see it, it's just one more muscle for them to massage, if it's only a HJ then what's the big deal?
I propose that we all go into Panacea, give them the house fee for their time , offer 20 for a HJ if they say no, proceed with self sevice. LOL. That will fix their attitudes. It's just a frikking HJ and most of them are mechanical anyway. So you're not missing much.
The new place on 28th near Petros wanted 60 I said 20 and she said 40 I said just give me my massage for the hour and I am good with that, if you want 20 then finish with the HJ. She took the 20. It's your money. Panacea girls can starve with that attitude or offer the full time plus a reasonable tip for a job well done massaging all my muscles.
If you want a massage by a naked girl with a bj call any escort. She will be cheaper than any girl at Panacea
The way I see it, it's just one more muscle for them to massage, if it's only a HJ then what's the big deal?
I propose that we all go into Panacea, give them the house fee for their time , offer 20 for a HJ if they say no, proceed with self sevice. LOL. That will fix their attitudes. It's just a frikking HJ and most of them are mechanical anyway. So you're not missing much.
The new place on 28th near Petros wanted 60 I said 20 and she said 40 I said just give me my massage for the hour and I am good with that, if you want 20 then finish with the HJ. She took the 20. It's your money. Panacea girls can starve with that attitude or offer the full time plus a reasonable tip for a job well done massaging all my muscles.
If you want a massage by a naked girl with a bj call any escort. She will be cheaper than any girl at PanaceaYou've really had trouble getting a good HE for $20 at Panacea? I have had consistently great experiences just tipping $40, so I never really considered that I should be saving the little bit of dough. But I guess I'd be curious to hear if people are having problems at the $20 level.
And why would anyone expect a BJ there? There have been so many monger reports confirming that they are HE only. Isn't that why we share info here; so we know what we can expect. So why do we have a problem with their consistent service?
If you are looking for a bottom dollar BJ, I agree that you should see an escort and not go to a massage parlor, and certainly not a parlor that is known to offer only HE fun and nothing more. The escort will be consistently cheaper. But maybe you should just pick up a street walker.
You've really had trouble getting a good HE for $20 at Panacea? I have had consistently great experiences just tipping $40, so I never really considered that I should be saving the little bit of dough. But I guess I'd be curious to hear if people are having problems at the $20 level.
And why would anyone expect a BJ there? There have been so many monger reports confirming that they are HE only. Isn't that why we share info here; so we know what we can expect. So why do we have a problem with their consistent service?
If you are looking for a bottom dollar BJ, I agree that you should see an escort and not go to a massage parlor, and certainly not a parlor that is known to offer only HE fun and nothing more. The escort will be consistently cheaper. But maybe you should just pick up a street walker.Yes, that is the new policy and I was told that the ladies expect the tip to match the massage now, so $60 for an hour. This was with Alison and I wasn't that impressed. I told her I only brought an extra $40 with me so she took that, but things are definitely going downhill at Panacea. Also, the ladies on the couch work days only, so they'll be out the door by 3:00 pm. What has happened to the massage scene in GR?
Yes, that is the new policy and I was told that the ladies expect the tip to match the massage now, so $60 for an hour. This was with Alison and I wasn't that impressed. I told her I only brought an extra $40 with me so she took that, but things are definitely going downhill at Panacea. Also, the ladies on the couch work days only, so they'll be out the door by 3:00 pm. What has happened to the massage scene in GR?What happened to the massage scene in GR? Over tipping for poor service, if they short you on time and the monger still tips for a poor massage they will always be rushing to the Happy Ending. If you will pay anyway and it's all about the ending then why not go to an escort. If you bring the oil to well reviewed escort, she will be happy to rub and tug you, fully naked plenty of roaming bbbjcim and CFS. All for less than a Panacea date.
If you whip out your tip too early at a MP they will grab it and go. Your fun is done because you did it their way.
Love The Lips
03-26-16, 10:41
What happened to the massage scene in GR? Over tipping for poor service, if they short you on time and the monger still tips for a poor massage they will always be rushing to the Happy Ending. If you will pay anyway and it's all about the ending then why not go to an escort. If you bring the oil to well reviewed escort, she will be happy to rub and tug you, fully naked plenty of roaming bbbjcim and CFS. All for less than a Panacea date.
If you whip out your tip too early at a MP they will grab it and go. Your fun is done because you did it their way.You are so right Benz! Mongers remember, WE are in control. Don't let them turn it around!!
Yes, that is the new policy and I was told that the ladies expect the tip to match the massage now, so $60 for an hour. What has happened to the massage scene in GR?What happened was too many wimpy mongers repeatedly overpaying for crappy service! These are the same guys who tip at restaurants no matter how crappy the service is, unless the server is a dude, then they might complain. But if the server is a chic, not a peep! I'm going to setup a used car lot catering to these knuckleheads. All women sales staff.
Monger / Customer: "how much is this car Sally?
Sally the Seller: "it stickers at 20,000 but for you I'll let it go for 21,000!
Monger / Customer: "I'll take it Sally".
With as many massage parlors as there are in GR, why not stop going to Panacea if they adopt this policy? There are lots of places where the MTs are happy to receive the tip they do. I doubt Panacea did this because too many mongers were not tipping, if that's the case those men can be banned as other places do.
Saw Torie recently and had a very enjoyable hour. She is 40's, light skinned AA, maybe with some Asian or Pac Island. Nice face, thick, but no where near bbw, natural cee / dee cups. Said she worked at Wonder for a while, but was not given enough work, so decided to work for herself.
She has her own studio in a small office building in vicinity of Kalamazoo and 36th SE and works generally 9 am to 5 pm. It is pleasantly decorated and clean. No shower; toilet is shared with other building tenants. Dental office's electric box is in her suite and they sometimes need to reset the breakers, she said, but massage room is separately locked and she has never had a problem with them. Lives fairly close by so can meet you there within 15 minutes of your call. Lots of parking, back end of lot is reasonably private from the street and a back entrance is available, but she may have to open it for you.
Typical 60 hr /40 hh. I did hour and got a reasonably good massage with a LOT of time on the glutes and vicinity. A little lifting of my hips and she slipped a hand underneath with no verbal request or questions. After about 20 minutes asked if I wanted to roll over.
I did and off came the top then "You do tip, don't you?" "Yes" and off came the rest. Other than requesting the 60 up front (it stayed in view the whole appointment), that was the extent of discussion of money. Another 10 minutes and asked if I wanted to massage her. About 10 minutes of that and back to me on the table and an excellent HE. Some clean up then massage until the hour was up.
Torie was mature, easy to talk with (no complaining or woe is me talk), fully nude with roaming, above average massage, excellent HE, and gave the whole hour. While I was getting dressed, she sprayed the table and put on a clean sheet. Gave her a well-deserved tip of 40 and plan on returning soon. Unless you need young, thin, or evenings, give Torie a try. None of the hassle, negotiating, GPS, or shorting on time all too often encountered at a MP.
Willinknever as they are usually gone. Search Torie or Studio 125 or 40 on BP.
What happened was too many wimpy mongers repeatedly overpaying for crappy service! These are the same guys who tip at restaurants no matter how crappy the service is, unless the server is a dude, then they might complain. But if the server is a chic, not a peep! I'm going to setup a used car lot catering to these knuckleheads. All women sales staff.
Monger / Customer: "how much is this car Sally?
Sally the Seller: "it stickers at 20,000 but for you I'll let it go for 21,000!
Monger / Customer: "I'll take it Sally".You do not understand why there is tipping in the food service industry. It is because they are serving you food, which you consume. Hence you bribe them not to mess with your food. And if you do not tip them, just like mongers and elephants, servers never forget. If you think you are tipping for service, you are truly naive.
Charlie441
03-26-16, 19:29
You do not understand why there is tipping in the food service industry. It is because they are serving you food, which you consume. Hence you bribe them not to mess with your food. And if you do not tip them, just like mongers and elephants, servers never forget. If you think you are tipping for service, you are truly naive.I think that's an ingredient in the dish, but not the actual reason. Waiters are paid below minimum wage due to expected tipping. In large parties, a gratuity of 20% will be added on automatically. 20% isn't a tip (or 15% if you're a senior; will not be liked so much, but understood by most). It, 20%, is for "par" service and not really a tip -- but more like the added expected fee for service, as opposed to take out.
- Bad service brings it from 20% to 15%.
- Really bad service that ya rarely see and is solely on the weight of the waiter, and with a bad attitude, it goes down to 10%.
- Jaw-dropping WTF that would make any non-picky person not go there again, is around 0%.
The actual "tipping" in restaurants is when you go over 20%. The 20% by itself is expected-gratuity.
For massage parlors, it's not a commonly understood industry. 40/20, 60/40 is the expected price+"par" gratuity (which includes a mechanical, clothed HE). Anything more than that is the true "tip".
- 40/40 can easily be had if it was a good half hour going the Whole half hour w / HE and no rush.
- Other tips, like 60/60 or 40/50 or 40/60 or 60/80 is how much more they go beyond just a mechanical, fully clothed HE.
I agree that some people who tip as if they're getting a BBBJCIM when all they're getting is a mechanical fully clothed HE by a gal who's merely kinda cute for her age -- has made the parlors more GPS on their expectations, thus prices. I can understand willing to pay more than for an escort, because at a parlor you run no risk of LE, pimps, dungeons in grandma's basement to enter, etc. But one shouldn't be overpaying parlors, because it's unnecessary + ends up not being good for the industry in the long run, when they think they can get that out of everyone else and extra GPS sets in.
You do not understand why there is tipping in the food service industry. It is because they are serving you food, which you consume. Hence you bribe them not to mess with your food. And if you do not tip them, just like mongers and elephants, servers never forget. If you think you are tipping for service, you are truly naive.Oh Snap! You busted me. I'm naive. Next thing you know, I'll be stating naiveties about the house getting 100% of the door fee. I'll try to cut back on using metaphors, since I am unable to make a point that's up to your standards. I'd like to apologize to the entire USA Monger community for wasting bandwidth. I didn't realize until just now that I don't know shit.
Please don't read any of my previous or future posts guys! Thank you.
NJ.
Oh Snap! You busted me. I'm naive. Next thing you know, I'll be stating naiveties about the house getting 100% of the door fee. I'll try to cut back on using metaphors, since I am unable to make a point that's up to your standards. I'd like to apologize to the entire USA Monger community for wasting bandwidth. I didn't realize until just now that I don't know shit.
Please don't read any of my previous or future posts guys! Thank you.
NJ.From the Don't Know Shit department, some mongers don't know that they Don't Know Shit.
Some believe what they're told by all the MP girls, we don't get shit from the door fee. Others write rave reviews about a spinner that is missing teeth and doesn't know shit about swallowing. I had a real hard time suppressing my opinion on that review. It begs the question, what is it about providers that are missing their top front teeth that attracts you to them? Their smile? It can't be because she knows how to give a good BJ.
If it were up to me I would definitely have them swish and swallow after I spray their tonsils.
Maybe I just don't know shit because I would rather pay for a BBBJ than a HJ anyday.
I'm with NJ, sorry if I have misslead anybody to believe that I know shit.
I think that's an ingredient in the dish, but not the actual reason. Waiters are paid below minimum wage due to expected tipping. In large parties, a gratuity of 20% will be added on automatically. 20% isn't a tip (or 15% if you're a senior; will not be liked so much, but understood by most). It, 20%, is for "par" service and not really a tip -- but more like the added expected fee for service, as opposed to take out.
- Bad service brings it from 20% to 15%.
- Really bad service that ya rarely see and is solely on the weight of the waiter, and with a bad attitude, it goes down to 10%.
- Jaw-dropping WTF that would make any non-picky person not go there again, is around 0%.
The actual "tipping" in restaurants is when you go over 20%. The 20% by itself is expected-gratuity.
For massage parlors, it's not a commonly understood industry. 40/20, 60/40 is the expected price+"par" gratuity (which includes a mechanical, clothed HE). Anything more than that is the true "tip".
- 40/40 can easily be had if it was a good half hour going the Whole half hour w / HE and no rush.
- Other tips, like 60/60 or 40/50 or 40/60 or 60/80 is how much more they go beyond just a mechanical, fully clothed HE.
I agree that some people who tip as if they're getting a BBBJCIM when all they're getting is a mechanical fully clothed HE by a gal who's merely kinda cute for her age -- has made the parlors more GPS on their expectations, thus prices. I can understand willing to pay more than for an escort, because at a parlor you run no risk of LE, pimps, dungeons in grandma's basement to enter, etc. But one shouldn't be overpaying parlors, because it's unnecessary + ends up not being good for the industry in the long run, when they think they can get that out of everyone else and extra GPS sets in.Well said Charlie,
I believe all mongers should unite against GPS
Well said Charlie,
I believe all mongers should unite against GPSI'll make the t-shirts and coffee mugs!
Some believe what they're told by all the MP girls, we don't get shit from the door fee. Others write rave reviews about a spinner that is missing teeth and doesn't know shit about swallowing. All? Maybe you misread me, I was talking about the spot I know well. But like you said, you are looking for BBBJCIM w / s, and they don't do that, so you don't go there. More power to yuh. To each his own, cause not everyone is you after all.
On the second bit, you got me. No clue who wrote that and who you have me confused with.
I'm on the anti-GPS bandwagon, big time. That's why is asked about it. But I'm also anti-WSTDD (wanting shit they don't do). I find my experiences are much less frustrating than those with WSTDD syndrome.
Happy hunting.
All? Maybe you misread me, I was talking about the spot I know well. But like you said, you are looking for BBBJCIM w / s, and they don't do that, so you don't go there. More power to yuh. To each his own, cause not everyone is you after all.
On the second bit, you got me. No clue who wrote that and who you have me confused with.
I'm on the anti-GPS bandwagon, big time. That's why is asked about it. But I'm also anti-WSTDD (wanting shit they don't do). I find my experiences are much less frustrating than those with WSTDD syndrome.
Happy hunting.I'm not confused, just wondering why anyone would rave about a provider that is missing teeth and gives a half assed quicky BJ. Backpage advertiser reviews 3/2/16, post #8873.
And stuff they won't do? They will all do it eventually, they are in this hobby too. They just think theirs is golden and worth more than I'm will to spend on an escort. So I won't pay $40 for a HJ, I can do that myself.
What they get:
2 girls from Pacific I've known for some time told me they get a cut of the door fee but all their tips are theirs to keep.
I believe them both not because I trust them but because if they intend to lie it would benefit them ore making me believe they share tips so I'd tip more.
What I tip:
20 for mediocre or less massage with below avg. HE.
30-40 for good to great massage WITH good to great HE. Nude and at least me touching tits minimum.
I've tipped 60 only a few times for the above when I take too long to finish. I'm older, it happens. I appreciate the extra effort.
Anything higher is for BBBJ or FS. It's happened a few times with a few girls at MPs but is rare as we know.
I don't care if its hh or hour frankly. Same tip structure.
I'm not confused, just wondering why anyone would rave about a provider that is missing teeth and gives a half assed quicky BJ. Backpage advertiser reviews 3/2/16, post #8873.Ah, I get it now. Benz, none of us know the whole scene in GR, so it's cool. You mistook the brunette Jen that I was posting about for the blonde Jen. These two are not the same person, they are whole continents apart.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/escape-away-with-me-specials-upon-request/24023716
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/warm-touch-captivating-eyes/23923198
I've seen the first, but not the second. Although I did get a date set with another girl that the blonde Jen was working with last summer. Backed out when the scheduling went flakey and I learned from a brief phone conversation that both were working with a pimp pretty tightly.
And stuff they won't do? They will all do it eventually, they are in this hobby too. They just think theirs is golden and worth more than I'm will to spend on an escort. So I won't pay $40 for a HJ, I can do that myself.No offense intended on the Panacea side. It's not your thing, and that is also cool. I know I am looking for some experiences that not all mongers are. But I do have a soft side for that place because they offer something I really like. It's a massage parlor that is clean (doesn't smell musty with crappy falling apart walls and nasty carpet), the girls are consistent in appearance and service (not the late 30's to mid 50's girls like you find in so many other spots), and they never pester over upselling or tips (just apply a consistent suggestion). Their tip expectations have been consistent (other than the recent shift to laying the tip out first) for the years I have been frequenting them. The cruxt of your issue seems to be that this business just doesn't offer what you are looking for. So I can see why you don't go there. I just don't understand the venom for them.
I don't go to AMPs or trashy MPs because I don't like their game. But I understand why lots of guys do like that deal, and I don't see a need to build up a lot of negative energy and trash places that I don't care for.
Happy hunting!
Ah, I get it now. Benz, none of us know the whole scene in GR, so it's cool. You mistook the brunette Jen that I was posting about for the blonde Jen. These two are not the same person, they are whole continents apart.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/escape-away-with-me-specials-upon-request/24023716
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/warm-touch-captivating-eyes/23923198
I've seen the first, but not the second. Although I did get a date set with another girl that the blonde Jen was working with last summer. Backed out when the scheduling went flakey and I learned from a brief phone conversation that both were working with a pimp pretty tightly.
No offense intended on the Panacea side. It's not your thing, and that is also cool. I know I am looking for some experiences that not all mongers are. But I do have a soft side for that place because they offer something I really like. It's a massage parlor that is clean (doesn't smell musty with crappy falling apart walls and nasty carpet), the girls are consistent in appearance and service (not the late 30's to mid 50's girls like you find in so many other spots), and they never pester over upselling or tips (just apply a consistent suggestion). Their tip expectations have been consistent (other than the recent shift to laying the tip out first) for the years I have been frequenting them. The cruxt of your issue seems to be that this business just doesn't offer what you are looking for. So I can see why you don't go there. I just don't understand the venom for them.
I don't go to AMPs or trashy MPs because I don't like their game. But I understand why lots of guys do like that deal, and I don't see a need to build up a lot of negative energy and trash places that I don't care for. Maybe if we all tipped her like a Panacea girl she could afford a trip to the dentist. If you like her get another appointment and look her over real close for Tracks and Teeth .
Happy hunting!I'm still not confused, the top one Burnette Jen is missing teeth too. Maybe some mongers miss the details and maybe she doesn't smile for everyone. But if I wrote a raving review and there was this simple flaw of missing top teeth on both sides of her mouth. Possibly indicating a bad habbit. I would have said can't get enough of this chick but she is missing teeth incase anyone cares. Trackmarks and missing Teeth. If you have another appointment with her please give us an updated review. I think a couple things were left out. Or maybe I have DKS and I Don't know Shit about this chick or anything else either.
The Panacea thing is just because they have a policy about tipping that perpetuates GPS by demanding the tip to match the door fee. Keep going there and paying it their way and all MP's will jump on the GPS band wagon. Boycott it and it stops at Panacea! It's not negativity it's preventing a cancer from spreading through our GR MP's that are already lacking in service by shorting time and lousy half hated massages. There is a problem at all of them, Panacea girls still want to get paid for it up front. What if all the MP's did the same?
What if all the MP's did the same?Right, of course, they do not all do the same thing. That is the beauty of a place like Panacea, it's not dank and grubby. And I'm not putting other places down by saying that. A lot of other places prioritize just what you seem to want, bottom dollar, a full menu, with whatever women are available. No way I'm going to a dank hole, seeing an older woman, and paying what I do at Panacea, no fucking way. And there also is no way that other places will follow Panacea's model - these are different places offereing different experiences. AMPs are different than the 44th St and 28th St places, which both are different than Panacea. There is no slippery slope here.
Here is where I think I am just not connecting with you. GPS as I understand it is not where a girl at a strip club refuses to give you a car BJ date for $20 or schedule an escort date. GPS is where a girl offers one thing and delivers another, at a much different price. Or she badgers you to upsell, or charges for each new position. Generally, GPS is expecting more money than what is delivered.
Take an extreme example that I "enjoyed". I set up a visit with a chick who advertized on BP as an escort. When I showed up, the apartment was a fucking mess. Her roomate was busy in the next room behind a curtain (no door). My girls room actually had a door. She puts on these ridiculous stripper boots and outfit, and then proceeds to give me an awkward and horrible impression of a strip club lap dance, the chair lap dance like you would get out on the open floor. And she still wants top escort dollar. That is GPS in the extreme. BTW, no I did not tip her, and no I did not repeat.
By contrast, a place that has very consistent rules, fees, and service, and does so for years, I just don't see that as GPS. Look, I can have a great experience there, not comparible to any other MP in GR, for $40 plus $40. That's with a cute, fit, American, young woman who's in her early to mid 20's. No they do not have an open menu, but they never have and doubt they ever will, no matter how much you boycott them. I'd be happy to pass along details in PM, but it is decidely not the same as staying home. I recently enjoyed a visit with Natasha, and I can say that experience is the norm (fucking great).
All that said, I respect your opinion and input. You are one of the best resources active in this area. Your posts and PMs are invaluable. I just cannot get to the same page on the GPS thing in general and Panacea in particular. Also, I greatly appreciated your reply to that creepy woman, Lacey. Peace.
Right, of course, they do not all do the same thing. That is the beauty of a place like Panacea, it's not dank and grubby. And I'm not putting other places down by saying that. A lot of other places prioritize just what you seem to want, bottom dollar, a full menu, with whatever women are available. No way I'm going to a dank hole, seeing an older woman, and paying what I do at Panacea, no fucking way. And there also is no way that other places will follow Panacea's model - these are different places offereing different experiences. AMPs are different than the 44th St and 28th St places, which both are different than Panacea. There is no slippery slope here.
Here is where I think I am just not connecting with you. GPS as I understand it is not where a girl at a strip club refuses to give you a car BJ date for $20 or schedule an escort date. GPS is where a girl offers one thing and delivers another, at a much different price. Or she badgers you to upsell, or charges for each new position. Generally, GPS is expecting more money than what is delivered.
Take an extreme example that I "enjoyed". I set up a visit with a chick who advertized on BP as an escort. When I showed up, the apartment was a fucking mess. Her roomate was busy in the next room behind a curtain (no door). My girls room actually had a door. She puts on these ridiculous stripper boots and outfit, and then proceeds to give me an awkward and horrible impression of a strip club lap dance, the chair lap dance like you would get out on the open floor. And she still wants top escort dollar. That is GPS in the extreme. BTW, no I did not tip her, and no I did not repeat.
By contrast, a place that has very consistent rules, fees, and service, and does so for years, I just don't see that as GPS. Look, I can have a great experience there, not comparible to any other MP in GR, for $40 plus $40. That's with a cute, fit, American, young woman who's in her early to mid 20's. No they do not have an open menu, but they never have and doubt they ever will, no matter how much you boycott them. I'd be happy to pass along details in PM, but it is decidely not the same as staying home. I recently enjoyed a visit with Natasha, and I can say that experience is the norm (fucking great).
All that said, I respect your opinion and input. You are one of the best resources active in this area. Your posts and PMs are invaluable. I just cannot get to the same page on the GPS thing in general and Panacea in particular. Also, I greatly appreciated your reply to that creepy woman, Lacey. Peace.Glad you saw that post before it was removed and sorry to hear of her being a pest. We should all boycott her too.
I do my best to give accuracy in my reviewing and try to show respect in my thoughts on this Fourm however it is difficult at times. I also don't believe in slamming anyones atf. If she's not for me no big deal. But there is some important things that should not be left out or left to PM.
And telling people they are naive is not the way to start a healthy discussion about any provider or MP. We all have a different view and that would not make them naive.
But there is some important things that should not be left out or left to PM.Fair enough. But I don't recall anyone who's mentioned her teeth, and she has been reviewed a number of times. The blonde Jen is apparently missing most of her front teeth, is a horrible performer, and is really subconscious about her teeth. So I don't know how I missed anything important about the brunette Jen.
Unless I was supposed to mention that she has more teeth than the blonde Jen. LOL!
Fair enough. But I don't recall anyone who's mentioned her teeth, and she has been reviewed a number of times. The blonde Jen is apparently missing most of her front teeth, is a horrible performer, and is really subconscious about her teeth. So I don't know how I missed anything important about the brunette Jen.
Unless I was supposed to mention that she has more teeth than the blonde Jen. LOL!LOL. This is true, from reports I've read blonde Jen has alot less teeth than brunette Jen. I have seen the track marks and missing teeth on brunette Jen and won't repeat. While I was reading your review on her I was very tempted to say you would be naive if you missed those things in your visit with her. But I try not to be a ballbuster, as I said before I don't slam ATF's. However I find it very confusing on how someone could be so keen to remark on the cleanliness of a Massage Parlor but completely miss some red flags on a provider.
We should all do our best to scan our surroundings and the provider to give the best review possible.
Happy Easter.
LOL. This is true, from reports I've read blonde Jen has alot less teeth than brunette Jen. I have seen the track marks and missing teeth on brunette Jen and won't repeat. While I was reading your review on her I was very tempted to say you would be naive if you missed those things in your visit with her. But I try not to be a ballbuster, as I said before I don't slam ATF's. However I find it very confusing on how someone could be so keen to remark on the cleanliness of a Massage Parlor but completely miss some red flags on a provider.
We should all do our best to scan our surroundings and the provider to give the best review possible.
Happy Easter.Not buying that. Nobody has claimed anything like ATF status with Jen. I described her as fun and cute, and that she didn't watch the clock, but I also pointed out the recent pregnancy, and not great BJ skills. Not exactly a ATF endorsement. Seems like most others review her the same, accurate pics, looks OK, performs OK, and also nothing in particular to write home about. Can't find any the depart much from that (other than reviews for blonde Jen, who is a decidedly different person). If you thought that you had important info about her, you should have chimed in after my review or after any of the many other reviews before and after, all of which mention nothing like this crucial missed information. None of us would have been bent out of shape by your sharing that. Just doesn't wash.
Other than me and Panacea, there's no ATF involved in this exchange.
But we'll just have to agree to disagree on these points.
Enjoy!
Right, of course, they do not all do the same thing. That is the beauty of a place like Panacea, it's not dank and grubby. And I'm not putting other places down by saying that. A lot of other places prioritize just what you seem to want, bottom dollar, a full menu, with whatever women are available. No way I'm going to a dank hole, seeing an older woman, and paying what I do at Panacea, no fucking way. And there also is no way that other places will follow Panacea's model - these are different places offereing different experiences. AMPs are different than the 44th St and 28th St places, which both are different than Panacea. There is no slippery slope here.
Here is where I think I am just not connecting with you. GPS as I understand it is not where a girl at a strip club refuses to give you a car BJ date for $20 or schedule an escort date. GPS is where a girl offers one thing and delivers another, at a much different price. Or she badgers you to upsell, or charges for each new position. Generally, GPS is expecting more money than what is delivered.
Take an extreme example that I "enjoyed". I set up a visit with a chick who advertized on BP as an escort. When I showed up, the apartment was a fucking mess. Her roomate was busy in the next room behind a curtain (no door). My girls room actually had a door. She puts on these ridiculous stripper boots and outfit, and then proceeds to give me an awkward and horrible impression of a strip club lap dance, the chair lap dance like you would get out on the open floor. And she still wants top escort dollar. That is GPS in the extreme. BTW, no I did not tip her, and no I did not repeat.
By contrast, a place that has very consistent rules, fees, and service, and does so for years, I just don't see that as GPS. Look, I can have a great experience there, not comparible to any other MP in GR, for $40 plus $40. That's with a cute, fit, American, young woman who's in her early to mid 20's. No they do not have an open menu, but they never have and doubt they ever will, no matter how much you boycott them. I'd be happy to pass along details in PM, but it is decidely not the same as staying home. I recently enjoyed a visit with Natasha, and I can say that experience is the norm (fucking great).
All that said, I respect your opinion and input. You are one of the best resources active in this area. Your posts and PMs are invaluable. I just cannot get to the same page on the GPS thing in general and Panacea in particular. Also, I greatly appreciated your reply to that creepy woman, Lacey. Peace.To me, GPS is when any lady gets "golden pussy syndrome", where she thinks her service is worth more dollars than the going rate for that service. For example, if the going rate for a massage with a HE is $40 for a half hour and a $30 tip but she demands a $50 tip because she thinks she's that much better. That's GPS. Then when mongers give her the tip she demands for mediocre service and posts about what a great person she is and how she looks better and has a cleaner location than someone else who provides the same service that just leads to more GPS. I'm in agreement with the guys who think tipping up front is crazy, how can you provide a tip before you know what you are tipping for? And you can't possibly know what you are tipping for until the service is completed. To lay a "tip" out when you don't know what you are getting is stupid, and also opens up the opportunity for a case to be made that the "tip" isn't because of great service but is payment for a sex act.
Charlie441
03-27-16, 22:59
Generally, GPS is expecting more money than what is delivered.That can be one angle motivated by GPS. But Golden Puzzy Syndrome is where they think their pussy's made of gold, hence, expecting above what would be market price. Much like someone trying to sell their 2000 Dodge Stratus with 150 k miles on it for No Less than $8,000. Not because they're trying to squeeze as much money out of it as they can and are hoping for a sucker, but because they Actually Think it's worth that price because they kept the interior nice smelling since day 1 with no dents, and think of it is as their precious baby (market price would be around $1,250). This outlandish belief could have been originally motivated by their greed or current strong need of money, but that's delving into psychology which is a whole other story.
GPS is when one thinks their parts are made of gold and expect price to reflect that for sexual situations, while in reality, their parts very well may be nice, but bronze at best. Solidly Over market price. I like Whoppers at Burger King, I'm not knocking Whoppers. But I'm not going to pay $10 for one, especially when Burger King's head is in the clouds advertising it like the meat is laced with gold or something.
Right, of course, they do not all do the same thing. That is the beauty of a place like Panacea, it's not dank and grubby. And I'm not putting other places down by saying that. A lot of other places prioritize just what you seem to want, bottom dollar, a full menu, with whatever women are available. No way I'm going to a dank hole, seeing an older woman, and paying what I do at Panacea, no fucking way.I agree. However, just because Pancea is worth more than a dank & grubby place on in the back of a parking lot on 28th street, doesn't at all mean they're incapable of having GPS.
By contrast, a place that has very consistent rules, fees, and service, and does so for years, I just don't see that as GPS. Look, I can have a great experience there, not comparible to any other MP in GR, for $40 plus $40. That's with a cute, fit, American, young woman who's in her early to mid 20's. No they do not have an open menu, but they never have and doubt they ever will, no matter how much you boycott them. I'd be happy to pass along details in PM, but it is decidely not the same as staying home. I recently enjoyed a visit with Natasha, and I can say that experience is the norm (fucking great).But they did recently or semi-recently change their fees, which is what causes the eyebrow to raise, and things to be considered & weighed. I can see $40/40 being great with a cute, fit, American young woman who gives a great massage. Of course. But you're not always going to get such an ideal situation at Pancea, so the bare-minimum raised prices for All is what raises the eyebrow. It's easier to see it as not-a-huge-thing when you're talking about a whole half hour, one of the better looking girls who knows how to tickle your elmo just right, for $40/$40.
But $60/$60 for all girls, even ones not wanting to take off any clothing, hardly says much, and just wants to give a mechanical HE hoping to scoot you out 10+ minutes early? That's the problem with the raised baseline fees.
I wouldn't mind that if it was pretty much a guarantee that I'd get what would be worthy of paying $60/$60 -- not just worthy to me, but market-wise. But that's not happening, even though there is a valid argument it's a better choice than particular dark & dank places that go $60/$40. But to "tip" up-front isn't a tip -- that's more a required Tax.
So is it worth $120 for 45-60 minutes, to a girl the 1st time or the like, with no shower and getting / owed nothing else beyond what a baseline 'tip' would bring? I would want to make that call to determine whether it's $90 (bad), $100 (par), or $120 (Grrrreat).
To lay a "tip" out when you don't know what you are getting is stupid, and also opens up the opportunity for a case to be made that the "tip" isn't because of great service but is payment for a sex act.If the lady is having a bad day and your massage is crappy because of it, does she voluntarily give part of the layed out tip back? FUCK NO! Sounds like a NAIVE way of tipping, or at best, a Noobie mistake.
Tips are earned people. Not just given. It's called a "tip" for a reason and it shouldn't be included with the door fee. I was a bartender for years and never once had someone put the tip down before they ever got a single drink. Common sense should tell ya when to put the tip on the table. In case your lacking common sense I'll cut you some slack for being like most Americans these days and clue you in. The tip comes after the services have been provided. Write it down if you need to. Also don't forget to tip your bartender or your massage therapist assuming they did a good job!!
FastHustler
03-28-16, 14:14
I went to see Natasha at Panacea I did not have to leave a tip upfront with her. Although I would because she never disappoints (other than she does not work enough so she is hard to reach sometimes LOL! She is like getting a massage from a new found lover she is totally GFE as a massage place gets in GR. In my opinion not as good as the Islands but she is much better looking!
Does anyone have any info on her? I am going to take a ride that way tonight. She sounds very nice.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/let-my-magic-hands-take-your-stress-away-30/17388146
Thanks much.Is she still around? Apparently she went on her own for awhile.
The way I see it, it's just one more muscle for them to massage, if it's only a HJ then what's the big deal?
I propose that we all go into Panacea, give them the house fee for their time , offer 20 for a HJ if they say no, proceed with self sevice. LOL. That will fix their attitudes. It's just a frikking HJ and most of them are mechanical anyway. So you're not missing much.
The new place on 28th near Petros wanted 60 I said 20 and she said 40 I said just give me my massage for the hour and I am good with that, if you want 20 then finish with the HJ. She took the 20. It's your money. Panacea girls can starve with that attitude or offer the full time plus a reasonable tip for a job well done massaging all my muscles.
If you want a massage by a naked girl with a bj call any escort. She will be cheaper than any girl at PanaceaMassage is a service. A business transaction. A HJ is an Extra service above the massage. Women will tip 20 for a regular massage done with draping and no hanky panky or steam box diddling.
Hopefully my Brother Monger Benz isn't tipping the few good ladies in GR only 20? If we match the tip with the massage / HJ skill and wether or not we get shorted on time, the Good MP Ladies should get more than 20 regardless of their age or looks.
While no one should reward GPS or time shorting or someone that lets out a disgusted sigh as they reach for your cock, we should reward the Good Ones with a good tip. Anyone that's been MP Mongering for a little while knows, if they are honest, when they get a good Lady / Massage. The good ones are hard to find boys! If all you want is a HJ and the massage means very little, why bother going to a MP? If you feel you need to find an escort at a MP, LA Spa in Portland is 35 minutes away and The Islands is 1 hr away. This isn't rocket science boys. If it was, I would have been red shirted a long long time ago!
Viva La MP and Viva la HJ!
NJ.
Charlie441
03-28-16, 22:05
Massage is a service. A business transaction. A HJ is an Extra service above the massage. Women will tip 20 for a regular massage done with draping and no hanky panky or steam box diddling.Okay, so if a guy doesn't get an HJ, he should (only) tip 20 for that hour, just as a lady-customer would since there'd be no difference in the experience, right? I can't argue with that at all. Obviously More if one does get their HJ.
The problem is when it's a bolted-on "tip", and a big one matching the rate. So the (heterosexual, proper) lady customers at Pancea will have to pay $60/$60 upfront. Is that worth it? Are they really going to want that? No, of course not. Way above market price. The bolted-on up-front gratuity makes it not actually include the Extra service (s). It puts the customer in position that there "better be" some extra services at no-extra-cost, since it was $60/$60. And if the guys come out "empty Handed", especially when engaging with a so-so looking fully-clothed gal, it'll definitely be a WTF. It's not good for said customers in those situations, and not good for Pancea when too many of those situations occur.
If all you want is a HJ and the massage means very little, why bother going to a MP?Because even though a MP isn't exactly going to the Ritz Carlton, it still avoids any chance of running into LEO + one doesn't have to worry about avoiding crazy pimps or wacked out gals in some isolated environment like a motel or odd apt when trying someone they haven't before. So at $60/$40, when you don't come out "empty Handed", it's obviously already pound for pound more $$ than engaging with an escort. Making it a pre-paid $60/$60 with the possibility of coming out "empty Handed" is just really unfortunate for both sides. I say that assuming Pancea's not stacked with customers always coming in who'd be more than willing to pay $60/$100 for a massage+HJ with a so-so looking gal who'd just get down to undergarments.
If you feel you need to find an escort at a MP, LA Spa in Portland is 35 minutes away and The Islands is 1 hr away.True. It makes places like that be more of an option to lose one's business to. Just unfortunate many folks have lost that "happy medium" close to home. .
Massage is a service. A business transaction. A HJ is an Extra service above the massage. Women will tip 20 for a regular massage done with draping and no hanky panky or steam box diddling.
Hopefully my Brother Monger Benz isn't tipping the few good ladies in GR only 20? If we match the tip with the massage / HJ skill and wether or not we get shorted on time, the Good MP Ladies should get more than 20 regardless of their age or looks.
While no one should reward GPS or time shorting or someone that lets out a disgusted sigh as they reach for your cock, we should reward the Good Ones with a good tip. Anyone that's been MP Mongering for a little while knows, if they are honest, when they get a good Lady / Massage. The good ones are hard to find boys! If all you want is a HJ and the massage means very little, why bother going to a MP? If you feel you need to find an escort at a MP, LA Spa in Portland is 35 minutes away and The Islands is 1 hr away. This isn't rocket science boys. If it was, I would have been red shirted a long long time ago!
Viva La MP and Viva la HJ!
NJ.I do consider NJ the MP expert on this site, he has been to most and can give valuable info about all locations and probably most of the girls. Are there good ones left? Most have gone for the rushed ending and forgot the massage part. Not caring about the massage is part of the problem here too. This is why I have been so vocal, I'm usually not happy with the massage or the mechanical ending. And now we hear of paying up front for what? We don't know yet.
I have tipped a twenty at that Asian MP because it was a half assed massage and she was rushing to the ending for a big tip. I knew as soon as I blew it would be over, a good reason to tell her no and get back to the massage I paid for. I've walked out of many massage appointments and have done the same thing 20 or nothing. Some have taken some don't. They were lousy massages and should be treated as such.
Show me a CMT and you can tell who they are. They care about the your massage and don't short time. In fact many CMT have gone longer into overtime with me because of my bad leg. I treat them with the same respect they give me. Some may not have a CMT and it shows. It's possible that Natasha has the skills because many have raved about her massages. She is the only one that I would risk getting a massage and paying for the tip up front at Panacea. I have not seen her because I don't need to ad a new CMT to my list at this time.
If I go to another MP in GR I will treat them with the same respect they treat me. A good massage, full time and a good ending will deserve a good tip from me.
Ladies, it's time to step up and do a good job if you want a tip.
If I go to another MP in GR I will treat them with the same respect they treat me. A good massage, full time and a good ending will deserve a good tip from me.
Ladies, it's time to step up and do a good job if you want a tip.That's fair. Good tip for good service. Don't under tip for good or over tip for bad. (duh!
IMO the MP scene was way better before Jennifer and that lap dog of hers, Barry got their fingers into GR. Assembly line massage. Draw the guys in with really young lookers that would rather do Candy than give good service. Then Kiet and others felt they had to follow suit.
That's why Forums like this exist. Brings reason to the BigHead that the LittleHead can't understand.
NJ.
I won't tip up front.
If that's the policy I boycott Panacea.
Plenty of MPs in GR.
StoleHome8
03-29-16, 08:50
One of the best parts of the Panacea experience was the no pressure / no talk about the tip. Maybe just a comment of if I take care of you, you take care of me type of understanding. I suppose that could be because I had been there and they knew me, however even my first experience there was never any mention of a tip. If this is the case where they require a tip up front, they have lost my business forever too. I always tipped "fair" but never more than. 4 for a great performance and they were always happy with it. Now that Nat and Aliese are gone, Natasha being a part timer, it looks like the newbs are trying to rule the roost. Well, I've got news ladies, the previous regime was successful for all the above reasons stated. It seems like you may want to trust us first, if a client stiffs you, you know either 1 of 2 things. A) you better up your game and it wasn't worthy of a tip, or b) don't take that client again. Seems pretty simple. Lots of MP's in GR now. With equal talent. Better change the game or close the doors.
Love The Lips
03-29-16, 10:04
I do consider NJ the MP expert on this site, he has been to most and can give valuable info about all locations and probably most of the girls. Are there good ones left? Most have gone for the rushed ending and forgot the massage part. Not caring about the massage is part of the problem here too. This is why I have been so vocal, I'm usually not happy with the massage or the mechanical ending. And now we hear of paying up front for what? We don't know yet.
I have tipped a twenty at that Asian MP because it was a half assed massage and she was rushing to the ending for a big tip. I knew as soon as I blew it would be over, a good reason to tell her no and get back to the massage I paid for. I've walked out of many massage appointments and have done the same thing 20 or nothing. Some have taken some don't. They were lousy massages and should be treated as such.
Show me a CMT and you can tell who they are. They care about the your massage and don't short time. In fact many CMT have gone longer into overtime with me because of my bad leg. I treat them with the same respect they give me. Some may not have a CMT and it shows. It's possible that Natasha has the skills because many have raved about her massages. She is the only one that I would risk getting a massage and paying for the tip up front at Panacea. I have not seen her because I don't need to ad a new CMT to my list at this time.
If I go to another MP in GR I will treat them with the same respect they treat me. A good massage, full time and a good ending will deserve a good tip from me.
Ladies, it's time to step up and do a good job if you want a tip.I agree completely with Benz. Good service equals good tip! You should never tip a waitress as soon as you sit at the table, why in the hell would you tip before the massage even starts?
Spongebob357
03-29-16, 12:39
Thanks for all of the valuable info on tipping etc. Just wondered who the top massage providers are now, who would you recommend.
Thanks in advance.
Bob.
Thanks for all of the valuable info on tipping etc. Just wondered who the top massage providers are now, who would you recommend.
Thanks in advance.
Bob.Maybe NJ could make a short list send it to himself and then forward it to the seniors or whoever he wants. He will not have to keep typing it if he sends it to himself and the forward can be sent to multiple requests at one time. Don't forget to tell your massuse that you were refered by NJ. Maybe he will get an extra kiss for his troubles.
Thanks NJ for keeping us informed on the good ones.
Well I really hate to change the subject from such an interesting conversation, but here is a review of this MP. Legit therapeutic massage only. No HE. Bummer. The half of the body not worked on is covered with a sheet. Need I go on? I will say Chari is more beautiful in person than her pics, gives intense work to the massage.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/the-island-of-relaxation-studio-by-beautiful-asian/14429765
Thanks for all of the valuable info on tipping etc. Just wondered who the top massage providers are now, who would you recommend.
Thanks in advance.
Bob.Bob, despite what a few say, Panacea is a good visit. You should call ahead and ask who is available, and then schedule a time with a girl who has a good rep. There are several there who offer exactly what Natasha does, and Aliese and Natalie did. But it's not worth a first timer's dollar to just try whoever they give you.
They run the business well, and you know what to expect. Plus they don't pressure for upsell tips at all.
You should know, from the many recent complaints, that they recently started encouraging guys to leave a tip out at the start, so they know to start the erotic part early in the massage. But if you'd rather wait till then end, just say so. Say you want the whole erotic experience, but since you haven't had a session with the girl yet, you'd rather wait to see just what the experience is like. These girls are very reasonable and good at what they do, and they will roll with that.
A few of the haters here think that if a girl will touch your nether regions, that automatically means she's open for FS, Greek, followed by BBBJCIM W / S for $20, and anyone who's not has GPS. That's why there has been so much noise on this fine establishment lately.
Ignore that, they are worth a visit. Unless you want FS, BJ, or such, because that is not on the menu there.
PM me if you need a short list of the best current ladies at Panacea.
There are a number of traditional rub and tug joints in GR, and a few AMPs. Others will have to opine there, cause that is not my scene.
Love The Lips
03-29-16, 14:53
Bob, despite what a few say, Panacea is a good visit. You should call ahead and ask who is available, and then schedule a time with a girl who has a good rep. There are several there who offer exactly what Natasha does, and Aliese and Natalie did. But it's not worth a first timer's dollar to just try whoever they give you.
They run the business well, and you know what to expect. Plus they don't pressure for upsell tips at all.
You should know, from the many recent complaints, that they recently started encouraging guys to leave a tip out at the start, so they know to start the erotic part early in the massage. But if you'd rather wait till then end, just say so. Say you want the whole erotic experience, but since you haven't had a session with the girl yet, you'd rather wait to see just what the experience is like. These girls are very reasonable and good at what they do, and they will roll with that.
A few of the haters here think that if a girl will touch your nether regions, that automatically means she's open for FS, Greek, followed by BBBJCIM W / S for $20, and anyone who's not has GPS. That's why there has been so much noise on this fine establishment lately.
Ignore that, they are worth a visit. Unless you want FS, BJ, or such, because that is not on the menu there.
PM me if you need a short list of the best current ladies at Panacea.
There are a number of traditional rub and tug joints in GR, and a few AMPs. Others will have to opine there, cause that is not my scene.I agree with Tom about Panacea. They are my fave too though I haven't been in a bit. I'm sad to hear about the new tip before you play policy if that is true, but they do have the babes!
I agree with Tom about Panacea. They are my fave too though I haven't been in a bit. I'm sad to hear about the new tip before you play policy if that is true, but they do have the babes!If you really don't want to lay down a 20 at the start, as a matter of your "principles" or because you are new to the joint and not familiar with their level of service, just tell the girl you'd rather tip at the end.
One of the consistent standards there is no tipping pressure. They will go for that. And any girl who doesn't tow that company line will have a very short tenure.
Well I really hate to change the subject from such an interesting conversation, but here is a review of this MP. Legit therapeutic massage only. No HE. Bummer. The half of the body not worked on is covered with a sheet. Need I go on? I will say Chari is more beautiful in person than her pics, gives intense work to the massage.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/the-island-of-relaxation-studio-by-beautiful-asian/14429765I did comment about 2 weeks ago that she is a good massuse. I saw her at her home North of GR and no extras were Avilable. Sorry you missed that comment, post # 3969. I would repeat, she gave an excellent massage, you can tell she is a CMT. As I have mentioned before, I see an escort for the extras.
Happy Hunting.
Charlie441
03-29-16, 20:22
If you really don't want to lay down a 20 at the start, as a matter of your "principles" or because you are new to the joint and not familiar with their level of service, just tell the girl you'd rather tip at the end.
One of the consistent standards there is no tipping pressure. They will go for that. And any girl who doesn't tow that company line will have a very short tenure.I'm not following. It's not $20 mandatory tip, it's $40 mandatory tip for HH, $60 mandatory tip for full H. Are you saying that you just have to say you don't want to do it upfront at that rate, but you'll do it later at that rate if you're fully satisfied?
I think making it $40/$40, $60/$60 bare minimum, Upfront is tipping Pressure. Even if you can end up lobbying not to take your tip upfront.
Well I really hate to change the subject from such an interesting conversation, but here is a review of this MP. Legit therapeutic massage only. No HE. Bummer. The half of the body not worked on is covered with a sheet. Need I go on? I will say Chari is more beautiful in person than her pics, gives intense work to the massage.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/the-island-of-relaxation-studio-by-beautiful-asian/14429765Man, I loves me some Asian! Good looking Lady. I appreciate a good Legit massage on occasion, but if I saw Chari, I know I wouldn't behave myself. Thanks for the report LR. Scratching her off my to do list. Bummer!
Spongebob357
03-30-16, 08:32
Maybe NJ could make a short list send it to himself and then forward it to the seniors or whoever he wants. He will not have to keep typing it if he sends it to himself and the forward can be sent to multiple requests at one time. Don't forget to tell your massuse that you were refered by NJ. Maybe he will get an extra kiss for his troubles.
Thanks NJ for keeping us informed on the good ones.I appreciate the updated info as the massage scene changes rapidly. I come up from Kazoo (since Synergy stopped offering appointments) the kazoo scene is zero, so maximizing my time and dollars is important to me. Recently I did have a great experience at Spring Spa in BC, but once again the masseuse there has moved on so they are back to the standard fare.
I come up from Kazoo (since Synergy stopped offering appointments)Synergy! WoW that's a blast from the past. Welcome to GR Bob.
NJ.
MusicBoss10
03-30-16, 11:52
I agree with Tom about Panacea. They are my fave too though I haven't been in a bit. I'm sad to hear about the new tip before you play policy if that is true, but they do have the babes!Who are the best girls at Panacea? Thanks!
Contrary to some of the rumors around here, I am not, nor ever was, a part owner of Panacea!
NJ.
Spongebob357
03-30-16, 17:21
Synergy! WoW that's a blast from the past. Welcome to GR Bob.
NJ.Thanks NJ, yes I am old enough to have been a member on every old board.
Love The Lips
03-30-16, 19:35
Thanks NJ, yes I am old enough to have been a member on every old board.Synergy continued things under a different name later working out of some spiritual healing / massage type of place a few years back too.
Love The Lips
03-30-16, 19:40
Who are the best girls at Panacea? Thanks!I think we all can agree that Natasha is hands down the best at Panacea! She really does have it all. Great attitude, good massage, beautiful, roaming is great and gets even better with each visit and she gets explosive endings out of you everytime! Natalie was nice though no longer there as well as Aliese was pretty good. Tia gets high marks as well as most of the girls there. You almost can't go wrong there as long as this whole tip before the session doesn't take hold.
Contrary to some of the rumors around here, I am not, nor ever was, a part owner of Panacea!
NJ.Its a good thing you're not an onwer. With this new tipping policy, it won't be long before you can buy that place for a song and dance.
I might be the odd guy out here, or just a guy who ain't afraid to call it as he sees it, but I don't see anything special about the girls at Panacea other than Natasha, and she's hands down the best I've had. Over the years I've read the superlatives on Natalie and others and never found any of them to be near what the press releases indicated. Could just be a matter of different strokes for different folks, or it could just be over-effusive promoters pumping a favorite girl or favorite parlor. I've been there a dozen times and other than Natasha it's been average and in a couple instances below average experience, so for my money I think there are a couple over-enthusiastic promoters at play here.
Love The Lips
03-31-16, 08:03
I might be the odd guy out here, or just a guy who ain't afraid to call it as he sees it, but I don't see anything special about the girls at Panacea other than Natasha, and she's hands down the best I've had. Over the years I've read the superlatives on Natalie and others and never found any of them to be near what the press releases indicated. Could just be a matter of different strokes for different folks, or it could just be over-effusive promoters pumping a favorite girl or favorite parlor. I've been there a dozen times and other than Natasha it's been average and in a couple instances below average experience, so for my money I think there are a couple over-enthusiastic promoters at play here.Yes Blackfire, I agree on Natasha! There was also a girl that went by Summer at Panacea that I thought was Sexy as hell, but she proved to be too unreliable and would come and go often. Blackfire which parlors and girls would you recommend? I'd like to broaden my horizons a bit more in the parlor scene!
Ironically, Panacea is not living up to their name, they're not a cure for anyone's ills. Wow, the way they treat a walk-in is astounding. I was up north and on my way back down, I decided to drop in and see if it's still the same white trash that populated the place years ago. Sad to say, it is. (I actually was hoping to meet Natasha, as I understand she's the only one worth a damn in the place, but she wasn't there.) I opened the door and after nearly tripping over a 10 ounce dog, I met Jessica at the desk. Jessica is kinda cute, has jagged teeth that look like an infant's and has a bit of a belly either from bad nuutrion or baby damage. Can't tell without seeing it undressed. At about this time, a bigger girl in a moo moo dress walked up counting the cash that someone just handed her on his way down the hall. She got a big frown and I joked to Jessica that it obviously wasn't enough money. She laughed and I asked how much could I expect the tip to be. She said they want it to match the door fee, if you're there for a half hour, the tip should be 40 and if you're there for an hour, the tip should be 60. I imagine that's what they'd like, but in my mind, I wasn't seeing any talent there to command that kind of cash. In walks a hot mess of a blond who was probably at her physical prime about 6 years ago. Her exposed legs showed ample cottage cheese already forming on a girl who can't be more than 24. This girl was sporting one of the most cartoonish-looking black eyes I've ever seen. Looked like she tried to last:30 with Ronda Rousey. I smiled at Jessica and whispered if she was responsible for the face damage, she giggled and said no. I decided to explain to Jessica about my bad experience at their place years ago and how I was hoping it was different now and also not wanting to compare them to the bizarre experience of walking into East West. Just then, the (used-to-be hot) hot mess black eyed blond comes back around and nearly screams at me asking if I'm going to go with a massage or not? I said, yeah, no. Now that you've made up my mind, no. No I won't. This brings the manager holding a clipboard out from the back room. She says to me that she hears I'm causing problems up here. Jessica, in my defense, explains to her that I merely had a few questions and that it was everyone else jumping down my throat and trying to force me to stay or get the Hell out. I told the manager that I appreciated her coming out but I'd just decided that I'd never come back. Yet another girl pops out from nowhere and says, good. We got a million other guys to replace you. I'm sure you do. The funny thing is, the manager was the hottest one there. If she'd been an option when I walked in, I'd have stayed. She kinda looks like the dead teacher from Bates Motel, pic attached.Sounds like GPS is not the only problem at Panacea.
Sounds like GPS is not the only problem at Panacea.Now you are digging up 7 month old ficticious rants? We get it, you don't do massage parlors and you know nothing about this place.
Now you are digging up 7 month old ficticious rants? We get it, you don't do massage parlors and you know nothing about this place.On the contrary, I had a very nice massage today at a nice MP. The massage was on the level of a cmt, I could tell she had training but she confessed that she didn't have a license. I went to an escort for my extras. Please read today's BP advertiser reviews.
I use to go to Panacea a long time ago and saw a girl named Nolee. It was the luck of the draw for me and it was my lucky day. Saw her about 5 times before she disappeared. She was there and gone before Trista arrived at Panacea. If anybody knows where Nolee is, please let me know. She was a great massuse and had other talents too.
I haven't been there lately, I wonder why?
Did I miss read his post? Does someone think I have DKS about Panacea?
On the contrary, I had a very nice massage today at a nice MP. The massage was on the level of a cmt, I could tell she had training but she confessed that she didn't have a license. I went to an escort for my extras. Please read today's BP advertiser reviews.
I use to go to Panacea a long time ago and saw a girl named Nolee. It was the luck of the draw for me and it was my lucky day. Saw her about 5 times before she disappeared. She was there and gone before Trista arrived at Panacea. If anybody knows where Nolee is, please let me know. She was a great massuse and had other talents too.
I haven't been there lately, I wonder why?
Did I miss read his post? Does someone think I have DKS about Panacea?Stick to what you know about. These rants about a place you went to 4 years ago help no one and hurt your credibility. And I thought you didn't bust balls? Consistency much?
Went to re-visit one of my past favorites today. Lexi use to work at Bella but since they closed she's at East West now. The place itself was as most mp's are. It was clean but quiet. Lexi was awesome at Bella but today she came off as bored and not happy to be doing what she does. Her massage is actually pretty good. She applies nice pressure and works everything. I tried to make some small talk but she didn't get into the conversation one bit. The last time she went topless for a 40 tip but this time she said that would cost more. Then she did a very mechanical HJ and wasn't into it whatsoever. She provided one of the least satisfying endings I've had. It's too bad cause she was one of my favorites before today. I guess in this game you can't win em all. I just hate spending $80 and not even feeling like your satisfied. On to the next I suppose!!
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/lexi/23579007
Maybe we should see if the Admin can setup a new section exclusively for White Knights to tie off their horses and store their shining armor.
Maybe we should see if the Admin can setup a new section exclusively for White Knights to tie off their horses and store their shining armor.I was thinking the same thing the past few days as vigorous defense and promotion goes on.
We all have a right to our opinions and to decide what is and isn't worthy of our hard earned money.
Many of us find the pre-service tip and the 40,40 60,60 expectation offensive to the customer.
I won't go there anymore until I hear that is over.
Some of you are loyal no matter what. That's your right too but don't get all irate on we who choose otherwise.
Put away your armor.
Benz and a few other Mongers want to know my go to Ladies for massage. The ones I see the most. Just a warning upfront, only 1 of them is under 38 yrs old! Also YMMV. The good ones take time and money. I have more fun with them now than my 1st or 2nd times. Unless you go straight to the Islands in Charlotte, where you might be a Porn Star on the first visit.
Mikki way over 50 and Jenny 40 ish at the Islands Charlotte, MI. 1 hr=60 + 100 tip. Table shower, sauna and anything goes. Especially with Mikki the Nympho. BBBJ CFS blah blah blah. Notorious time shorters unless you are the only guy in the building. They will totally drain your balls! Classic old school Asian MP.
Jenny and Happy at LA Portland. 1/2 hr=40 + 80 tip (negotiated). CBJ CFS GFE type makeout session. I had been there enough times they twice let me hang around when biz was slow. I updated their tablets and smartphones and they gave me a free reward, but I still had to give Mamasan another 40 for the room. Haven't been there in 4 months. 1 or both could be gone since these Korean places rotate staff alot. They may be hyper paranoid you are LE if they haven't seen you before. This place has been busted A LOT!
GR Ladies. Joy and Jessica at Relaxation Station. Jessica 27 ish Latina. Nude with roaming. Great nipples and tight ass. Still learning massage but great HJ Dirty Talker. Joy over 50 Thai Lady. Been seeing her over 10 yrs. Real Thai massage, stretching and cracks my neck. Always nude and on the table with me. A real Sweetheart. Always get full hour for 60 + 40 tip both Ladies. Joy will blow up your phone if she's slow on business. (Hobby Phone).
Rachel at Touch of Paradise. 38 ish Latina. Real Skilled Massage. Nice lady with Great Naturals. Yummy! Above average HJ Explosion. 60 hr + 40 tip. Never time shorts. Call ahead since she works the closing shift mainly. Most places Jennifer and Barry own the girls want 60 tip for an hour, so you may need to negotiate.
Tammy Pacific 44th and Pacific 28th. 48 yr old Vietnamese. Mom Viet, Father AA. Tight body with one of the nicest set of natural Deez I've played with. Firm! Great Nips! Tammy has real massage skills and is strong. If asked for, she can really kick ass on the muscles. I can't hold out very long with her HJ. Always 60 hr + 40 tip. No time shorting.
Torrie. Independent with her own office. 40 yr old Latina. NOT light skinned AA as 1 Monger has reviewed. Light pressure Relax rub with mutual nude massage. Round super firm ass!
Fun sense of humor. 60 hr + 40 tip. Sometimes hard to schedule with. No walk ins with her.
Newsflash: All of the mentioned Ladies know about this site. There is a MP Grapevine of sorts. When they have mentioned this site to me, I claim to know nothing about it. They don't like chuckleheads trying to get extras in exchange for a "good review"! They also each have lists of guys they try to avoid for various reasons. Non / cheap tipper, creepy, smelly, rude, etc. Don't get on those lists! Nothing wrong with negotiating and being a Gentleman at the same time.
Remember YMMV. Grand Rapids wasn't built in a day.
Monger on.
NJ.
Maybe we should see if the Admin can setup a new section exclusively for White Knights to tie off their horses and store their shining armor.Great idea. And while they are at it lets have them install about a half dozen hooks for all the haters who post shit about providers that they have no recent experience with, to hang their asshats.
I was thinking the same thing the past few days as vigorous defense and promotion goes on.
We all have a right to our opinions and to decide what is and isn't worthy of our hard earned money.
Many of us find the pre-service tip and the 40,40 60,60 expectation offensive to the customer.
I won't go there anymore until I hear that is over.
Some of you are loyal no matter what. That's your right too but don't get all irate on we who choose otherwise.
Put away your armor.You forgot to mention hater posts w / o recent knowledge. That shit adds nothing.
And the pre tip and 40/40 are a request not a requirement. If you have a hairy pair, you just politely explain what you want and when you will pay, no pressure, no problem. Let's stop misleading people.
Benz and a few other Mongers want to know my go to Ladies for massage. The ones I see the most. Just a warning upfront, only 1 of them is under 38 yrs old! Also YMMV. The good ones take time and money. I have more fun with them now than my 1st or 2nd times. Unless you go straight to the Islands in Charlotte, where you might be a Porn Star on the first visit.
Mikki way over 50 and Jenny 40 ish at the Islands Charlotte, MI. 1 hr=60 + 100 tip. Table shower, sauna and anything goes. Especially with Mikki the Nympho. BBBJ CFS blah blah blah. Notorious time shorters unless you are the only guy in the building. They will totally drain your balls! Classic old school Asian MP.
Jenny and Happy at LA Portland. 1/2 hr=40 + 80 tip (negotiated). CBJ CFS GFE type makeout session. I had been there enough times they twice let me hang around when biz was slow. I updated their tablets and smartphones and they gave me a free reward, but I still had to give Mamasan another 40 for the room. Haven't been there in 4 months. 1 or both could be gone since these Korean places rotate staff alot. They may be hyper paranoid you are LE if they haven't seen you before. This place has been busted A LOT!
GR Ladies. Joy and Jessica at Relaxation Station. Jessica 27 ish Latina. Nude with roaming. Great nipples and tight ass. Still learning massage but great HJ Dirty Talker. Joy over 50 Thai Lady. Been seeing her over 10 yrs. Real Thai massage, stretching and cracks my neck. Always nude and on the table with me. A real Sweetheart. Always get full hour for 60 + 40 tip both Ladies. Joy will blow up your phone if she's slow on business. (Hobby Phone).
Rachel at Touch of Paradise. 38 ish Latina. Real Skilled Massage. Nice lady with Great Naturals. Yummy! Above average HJ Explosion. 60 hr + 40 tip. Never time shorts. Call ahead since she works the closing shift mainly. Most places Jennifer and Barry own the girls want 60 tip for an hour, so you may need to negotiate.
Tammy Pacific 44th and Pacific 28th. 48 yr old Vietnamese. Mom Viet, Father AA. Tight body with one of the nicest set of natural Deez I've played with. Firm! Great Nips! Tammy has real massage skills and is strong. If asked for, she can really kick ass on the muscles. I can't hold out very long with her HJ. Always 60 hr + 40 tip. No time shorting.
Torrie. Independent with her own office. 40 yr old Latina. NOT light skinned AA as 1 Monger has reviewed. Light pressure Relax rub with mutual nude massage. Round super firm ass!
Fun sense of humor. 60 hr + 40 tip. Sometimes hard to schedule with. No walk ins with her.
Newsflash: All of the mentioned Ladies know about this site. There is a MP Grapevine of sorts. When they have mentioned this site to me, I claim to know nothing about it. They don't like chuckleheads trying to get extras in exchange for a "good review"! They also each have lists of guys they try to avoid for various reasons. Non / cheap tipper, creepy, smelly, rude, etc. Don't get on those lists! Nothing wrong with negotiating and being a Gentleman at the same time.
Remember YMMV. Grand Rapids wasn't built in a day.
Monger on.
NJ.Thanks for the list NJ. I'm not suprised that most of them are older than 37. My experience has been the same, mature women give better massages than young girls.
I'm suprised that you let the whole city see the list, instead of sending out PM. Now it might take you a month or two to get an appointment with one of your favorite ladies.
Thank you for your time and sacrifice NJ.
I'm suprised that you let the whole city see the list, instead of sending out PM. Now it might take you a month or two to get an appointment with one of your favorite ladies.MuthaF*er! Didn't think that far ahead Benz!
GrandPa always said that No good deed goes unpunished!
Enjoy yourselves Mongers! I know I sure have.
NJ.
Seen sunshine a few days ago.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
I knew from the pictures she was not going to be a small girl but I was a little taken back on how big she was. The first picture of her in blue is absolutely stunning and in person she does have a pretty face. When the massage started I forgot everything. She was so sensual, caring, and kind. Was one of the most relaxing rubs ever.
She is super sweet, fun, and I think she has the cutest voice ever. Left happy for $.
1. ha! At a recent physical I was informed that the exam referenced above is rarely conducted anymore as it never detected anything and "some people avoided seeing their doctor because it. " I'm thinking now some people will avoid seeing their doctors without it.
2. Good experiences at the massage place on Breton just south of 28th street in the center of a right-angled strip mall, between a nail salon and exercise place. Three times with "Emily," once with "Lucy. " They're not exactly lookers, but pleasant enough and very agreeable personalities and provide the kind of massages I enjoy, especially when some teasing is followed with a touch of the boys, an inquisitive look and a simple, "this?" No mention of a tip. Massage is $60, I've handed over $40 or $50 on the way out. No objections from either when roaming beneath shirt; I haven't gotten around to exploring anything more. I'm happy to lie back and enjoy their excellent technique.Went here the other day and agree about the massage. Don't know who I saw, no name given. Told me $60/ hr. I asked about the new client price of $50, she said she does not speak English. Went into the room, a miracle occurred and she could now speak English. Massage is very good, I did not get the degree of teasing you did but good enough for first visit. Extra wide table with lots of padding. Nice looking place.
AlexKai777
04-03-16, 12:51
Seen sunshine a few days ago.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
I knew from the pictures she was not going to be a small girl but I was a little taken back on how big she was. The first picture of her in blue is absolutely stunning and in person she does have a pretty face. When the massage started I forgot everything. She was so sensual, caring, and kind. Was one of the most relaxing rubs ever.
She is super sweet, fun, and I think she has the cutest voice ever. Left happy for $.Do you think she's a potential BBBJ giver?
Mongerlian
04-03-16, 15:13
Seen sunshine a few days ago.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
I knew from the pictures she was not going to be a small girl but I was a little taken back on how big she was. The first picture of her in blue is absolutely stunning and in person she does have a pretty face. When the massage started I forgot everything. She was so sensual, caring, and kind. Was one of the most relaxing rubs ever.
She is super sweet, fun, and I think she has the cutest voice ever. Left happy for $.I'm a bit afraid to ask, and mind you I'll probably still go see her, but how big did she get?
1. ha! At a recent physical I was informed that the exam referenced above is rarely conducted anymore as it never detected anything and "some people avoided seeing their doctor because it. " I'm thinking now some people will avoid seeing their doctors without it.
2. Good experiences at the massage place on Breton just south of 28th street in the center of a right-angled strip mall, between a nail salon and exercise place. Three times with "Emily," once with "Lucy. " They're not exactly lookers, but pleasant enough and very agreeable personalities and provide the kind of massages I enjoy, especially when some teasing is followed with a touch of the boys, an inquisitive look and a simple, "this?" No mention of a tip. Massage is $60, I've handed over $40 or $50 on the way out. No objections from either when roaming beneath shirt; I haven't gotten around to exploring anything more. I'm happy to lie back and enjoy their excellent technique.Are you talking about a rectal exam? If you are saying they never identify anything you are mistaken. I owe my life to a digital exam that discovered my prostate cancer in time for surgery to remove it safely. One reason prostate cancer often spreads is our reluctance to get examined until it is too late. Yes, it is uncomfortable and the biopsy is even more uncomfortable but I enjoy living and am happy my doctor found the cancer in time.
She's a big girl, nice tattoos, big beautiful breasts, and a pretty face. I didn't find her to be disgusting all at, great hygiene. But she was so sensual I forgot about her size.
I don't think BBBJ is an option but I didn't try either.
I really enjoyed my time with her and think it was money well spent.
TheCompany
04-04-16, 14:53
1. ha! At a recent physical I was informed that the exam referenced above is rarely conducted anymore as it never detected anything and "some people avoided seeing their doctor because it. " I'm thinking now some people will avoid seeing their doctors without it.
2. Good experiences at the massage place on Breton just south of 28th street in the center of a right-angled strip mall, between a nail salon and exercise place. Three times with "Emily," once with "Lucy. " They're not exactly lookers, but pleasant enough and very agreeable personalities and provide the kind of massages I enjoy, especially when some teasing is followed with a touch of the boys, an inquisitive look and a simple, "this?" No mention of a tip. Massage is $60, I've handed over $40 or $50 on the way out. No objections from either when roaming beneath shirt; I haven't gotten around to exploring anything more. I'm happy to lie back and enjoy their excellent technique.
Are you talking about a rectal exam? If you are saying they never identify anything you are mistaken. I owe my life to a digital exam that discovered my prostate cancer in time for surgery to remove it safely. One reason prostate cancer often spreads is our reluctance to get examined until it is too late. Yes, it is uncomfortable and the biopsy is even more uncomfortable but I enjoy living and am happy my doctor found the cancer in time.So Emily is offering up standard HE to the boys. Used to get mileage out of Jenny. Haven't tried new girl there.
KZooTravler
04-04-16, 21:36
Long time monger but just joined this forum. Met the studio 120 Latina last week.
Great ass. 50 hour 60 tip nice roaming. Smaller top nothing special. Asked about FS and she said she didn't offer FS.
I will repeat.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/the-best/16679708
Love The Lips
04-05-16, 04:12
Long time monger but just joined this forum. Met the studio 120 Latina last week.
Great ass. 50 hour 60 tip nice roaming. Smaller top nothing special. Asked about FS and she said she didn't offer FS.
I will repeat.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/the-best/16679708Hmmmm. 120% tip? I assume though she's not FS that she included a BBBJ and maybe a haircut to earn that large of a tip? Details please.
KZooTravler
04-05-16, 07:54
Hmmmm. 120% tip? I assume though she's not FS that she included a BBBJ and maybe a haircut to earn that large of a tip? Details please.Great conversation and she got me in last minute. Yes large tip but I am planting a seed for BBBJ and FS. Just HE.
You win some you lose some.
Moonglow913
04-05-16, 09:04
Long time monger but just joined this forum. Met the studio 120 Latina last week.
Great ass. 50 hour 60 tip nice roaming. Smaller top nothing special. Asked about FS and she said she didn't offer FS.
I will repeat.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/the-best/16679708There are plenty of reviews of Torrie and menu is YMMV.
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/thp/5526487933.html
She looks good, I like them mature!
Love The Lips
04-07-16, 08:30
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/thp/5526487933.html
She looks good, I like them mature!I'm not certain and her name escapes me now, but she may be the same girl that worked at Panacea a few years back.
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/thp/5526487933.html
She looks good, I like them mature!She used to post as Diana or Diane or Deanna or something similar at a location east of her present office on Michigan Ave. Have not personally had the pleasure with her, but as I recall many reviews on her indicate strictly massage, absolutely no extras, although one reviewer stated she used to post in escort section many years ago. I'm also interested in a littler older provider with good MS skills, no FS, but with a happy end. It would be great if she fits the bill.
Love The Lips
04-07-16, 08:47
She used to post as Diana or Diane or Deanna or something similar at a location east of her present office on Michigan Ave. Have not personally had the pleasure with her, but as I recall many reviews on her indicate strictly massage, absolutely no extras, although one reviewer stated she used to post in escort section many years ago. I'm also interested in a littler older provider with good MS skills, no FS, but with a happy end. It would be great if she fits the bill.Yes! That's the name I was trying to think of. I remember the posts saying she was just massage but if it's indeed the same gal that worked at Panacea a few years back and I'm 99% sure it is, she for sure did HJ's when she was there but doesn't want to admit to it now.
Benz and a few other Mongers want to know my go to Ladies for massage. The ones I see the most. Just a warning upfront, only 1 of them is under 38 yrs old! Also YMMV. The good ones take time and money. I have more fun with them now than my 1st or 2nd times. Unless you go straight to the Islands in Charlotte, where you might be a Porn Star on the first visit.
Mikki way over 50 and Jenny 40 ish at the Islands Charlotte, MI. 1 hr=60 + 100 tip. Table shower, sauna and anything goes. Especially with Mikki the Nympho. BBBJ CFS blah blah blah. Notorious time shorters unless you are the only guy in the building. They will totally drain your balls! Classic old school Asian MP.
Jenny and Happy at LA Portland. 1/2 hr=40 + 80 tip (negotiated). CBJ CFS GFE type makeout session. I had been there enough times they twice let me hang around when biz was slow. I updated their tablets and smartphones and they gave me a free reward, but I still had to give Mamasan another 40 for the room. Haven't been there in 4 months. 1 or both could be gone since these Korean places rotate staff alot. They may be hyper paranoid you are LE if they haven't seen you before. This place has been busted A LOT!
GR Ladies. Joy and Jessica at Relaxation Station. Jessica 27 ish Latina. Nude with roaming. Great nipples and tight ass. Still learning massage but great HJ Dirty Talker. Joy over 50 Thai Lady. Been seeing her over 10 yrs. Real Thai massage, stretching and cracks my neck. Always nude and on the table with me. A real Sweetheart. Always get full hour for 60 + 40 tip both Ladies. Joy will blow up your phone if she's slow on business. (Hobby Phone).
Rachel at Touch of Paradise. 38 ish Latina. Real Skilled Massage. Nice lady with Great Naturals. Yummy! Above average HJ Explosion. 60 hr + 40 tip. Never time shorts. Call ahead since she works the closing shift mainly. Most places Jennifer and Barry own the girls want 60 tip for an hour, so you may need to negotiate.
Tammy Pacific 44th and Pacific 28th. 48 yr old Vietnamese. Mom Viet, Father AA. Tight body with one of the nicest set of natural Deez I've played with. Firm! Great Nips! Tammy has real massage skills and is strong. If asked for, she can really kick ass on the muscles. I can't hold out very long with her HJ. Always 60 hr + 40 tip. No time shorting.
Torrie. Independent with her own office. 40 yr old Latina. NOT light skinned AA as 1 Monger has reviewed. Light pressure Relax rub with mutual nude massage. Round super firm ass!
Fun sense of humor. 60 hr + 40 tip. Sometimes hard to schedule with. No walk ins with her.
Newsflash: All of the mentioned Ladies know about this site. There is a MP Grapevine of sorts. When they have mentioned this site to me, I claim to know nothing about it. They don't like chuckleheads trying to get extras in exchange for a "good review"! They also each have lists of guys they try to avoid for various reasons. Non / cheap tipper, creepy, smelly, rude, etc. Don't get on those lists! Nothing wrong with negotiating and being a Gentleman at the same time.
Remember YMMV. Grand Rapids wasn't built in a day.
Monger on.
NJ.
Seen many on that list.
Micki is PSE. Haven't seen her in years though due to the drive to Hawaii. I figured she'd retire by now. She's better than 99% of the escorts I've seen.
I am surprised you didn't mention Linda at Pacific 44th and Pacific 28th.
Hands down best massage in town 10/10 and mind blowing HE. Firm the's up top and all roaming allowed, at least for me.
Her massage is so good I'd tip her just for that.
Train.
I need a place close to the Amtrak. I can leave from grand rapids or Kalamazoo. I'm not familiar with thea area. Can anyone help? It'll be Monday around noon. Wish I could see you mikki in"gr" but it appears to be closer to Lansing if I'm correct. I can take uber if it is available. I'm happy to help anyone if you travel to Chicago.
Thanks.
Finger.
ThunderChunk
04-08-16, 18:09
So I've been reading these forums for a few months now. Been very helpful for a first timer, so thank you for that. And with that I'd like to add some of my own experiences now. So far I've been to Pacific on 28th St, Relaxation Station a couple times, and Royal Touch a couple times. Alisa over at Relaxation Station was good. Ok massage and decent flip. Saisha was a great massage and a decent flip. Saw a girl at Pacific and unfortunately can't remember her name. Paid for an hour and halfway in she said she hates doing an hour and wanted to go, so she said since I paid for an hour and it had only been about 30 minutes, she would do the flip for free. She even went topless (with some huge tits by the way) and did some breast play. She ended up being a lot of fun, so I still tipped her $40 even though she shorted me. The massage wasn't very good, but it was fun. I also went to Royal Touch and Joy (who is usually at Relaxation Station) happened to be working there that day. She was a great massage and a great ending. A ton of fun, lots of roaming, great massage, full 60 minutes. I highly recommend her and will definitely see her again. And now for my latest experience, which is really why I'm posting. I stopped into Royal Touch again hoping to get Amber since I've heard some good things about her, but Hannah was the only one working that morning. I paid for 60 minutes. Went in the room, undressed and laid there for several minutes. She came in, sat some stuff down and then left again. Finally came back a couple minutes later. Massaged me for a little bit (not a very good massage by the way. It was all over the place and disorganized, did a while on the back of one leg and then barely touched the other, not very much pressure), and then she had me flip. I thought it felt a bit soon, but not having any sense of time I just went with it. She took out her boobs and allowed a bit of roaming, but just very mechanically went after the hand job. She finished, wiped me down somewhat with a hot towel and that was that. I tipped her to be polite and then left. When I got out to my car I realized it had only been 40 minutes total from the time I left my car to the time I got back in, which included signing in, undressing, laying there for several minutes before the massage started, re-dressing, and walking back out to my car. So really, even if I had paid for a 30 minute, I still probably would have been shorted by a few minutes. So anyway, all that to say, if you swing into Royal Touch and Hannah is there, you might as well come back another time.
Saw Torie for a repeat visit left $60 on the table as before. After about 15 minutes she said to roll over. I said I was here for an hour appointment. She said what I left last time (60 + 40 is what she charges for a half, not nude hour. For nude hour she wants 140 total.
Ended up with about 35 minutes, she kept thong on, no mutual massage, totally nude, with extensive fiv like before. Still very nice massage, personality, and HE, but she wants more than the 40 + 20 for half or 60 +40 for whole hour I pay.
Also, she should have informed me on the phone or before we started that it would not be what I expected unless I wanted to pay 40 more than last time. Too bad because I was planning on a couple visits a month with her.
Oriental is in the elbow of the strip mall at end of 29th St. SE. Paid door fee of 40 for half hour. Saw SaraLee, probably only one there at the time. Nice body and face for 40 and very good massage for an AMP. After flip she allowed roaming over pants and under top & bra.
Wanted me to DIY while she caressed balls and crotch, but eventually relented. Turned into one of the nicest soft, gentle, long-lasting HEs ever. Cleaned up with warm towel (warmer is in room, so her not leaving was nice). That got us to the 30 minute mark. She massaged legs and chest for another 5 without me asking.
So got full time plus. No talk of tip at all. Handed her 20 on the way out; she seemed pleased. Will definitely repeat.
Saw Torie for a repeat visit left $60 on the table as before. After about 15 minutes she said to roll over. I said I was here for an hour appointment. She said what I left last time (60 + 40 is what she charges for a half, not nude hour. For nude hour she wants 140 total.
Ended up with about 35 minutes, she kept thong on, no mutual massage, totally nude, with extensive fiv like before. Still very nice massage, personality, and HE, but she wants more than the 40 + 20 for half or 60 +40 for whole hour I pay.
Also, she should have informed me on the phone or before we started that it would not be what I expected unless I wanted to pay 40 more than last time. Too bad because I was planning on a couple visits a month with her.Good to know.
I have tried 3 x to setup with her and she's impossible to book with. 1 x she cancelled 30 mins before. Next she replied so late I already made other plans. 3rd time she couldn't do the start time I needed.
Had I known her GPS level tip schedule I'd not have bothered. She's off my to do list now. Thanks for the report. Saved me an overpriced session!
Oriental is in the elbow of the strip mall at end of 29th St. SE. Paid door fee of 40 for half hour. Saw SaraLee, probably only one there at the time. Nice body and face for 40 and very good massage for an AMP. After flip she allowed roaming over pants and under top & bra.
Wanted me to DIY while she caressed balls and crotch, but eventually relented. Turned into one of the nicest soft, gentle, long-lasting HEs ever. Cleaned up with warm towel (warmer is in room, so her not leaving was nice). That got us to the 30 minute mark. She massaged legs and chest for another 5 without me asking.
So got full time plus. No talk of tip at all. Handed her 20 on the way out; she seemed pleased. Will definitely repeat.This place has really turned around, their reputation used to be legit only. After picypicky's review I went there and had an enjoyable experience too. Massages are of very good quality. Wonder what happened that the women changed their practice?
Train.
I need a place close to the Amtrak. I can leave from grand rapids or Kalamazoo. I'm not familiar with thea area. Can anyone help? It'll be Monday around noon. Wish I could see you mikki in"gr" but it appears to be closer to Lansing if I'm correct. I can take uber if it is available. I'm happy to help anyone if you travel to Chicago.
Thanks.
Finger.The Islands are much closer to Lansing. The Lansing AMTRAK is in East Lansing and is at least a 25 minute haul to the Islands. There are Taxis in Lansing; the Islands are west of Lansing; best way from AMTRAK is 496 west to Lansing Road to 96 and keep going until you see the SPA sign. Hope this helps.
I seen her ads for massage service but I do not remember where?
Have you seen her? Private location or Parlor massage?
I seen her ads for massage service but I do not remember where?
Have you seen her? Private location or Parlor massage?Looks familiar from maybe BP Body Rub ad? But I don't recall seeing her in person anywhere. Anyone got info for Aken?
MidMichGeezer
04-10-16, 13:55
The Islands are much closer to Lansing. The Lansing AMTRAK is in East Lansing and is at least a 25 minute haul to the Islands. There are Taxis in Lansing; the Islands are west of Lansing; best way from AMTRAK is 496 west to Lansing Road to 96 and keep going until you see the SPA sign. Hope this helps.How ironic the Amtrak goes about a mile from the Islands. Maybe you can have the driver make a special stop, good luck with that one though.
Mike Yepthatsm
04-10-16, 13:56
Doesn't look familiar to me.
I seen her ads for massage service but I do not remember where?
Have you seen her? Private location or Parlor massage?
So I've been reading these forums for a few months now. Been very helpful for a first timer, so thank you for that. And with that I'd like to add some of my own experiences now. So far I've been to Pacific on 28th St, Relaxation Station a couple times, and Royal Touch a couple times. Alisa over at Relaxation Station was good. Ok massage and decent flip. Saisha was a great massage and a decent flip. Saw a girl at Pacific and unfortunately can't remember her name. Paid for an hour and halfway in she said she hates doing an hour and wanted to go, so she said since I paid for an hour and it had only been about 30 minutes, she would do the flip for free. She even went topless (with some huge tits by the way) and did some breast play. She ended up being a lot of fun, so I still tipped her $40 even though she shorted me. The massage wasn't very good, but it was fun. I also went to Royal Touch and Joy (who is usually at Relaxation Station) happened to be working there that day. She was a great massage and a great ending. A ton of fun, lots of roaming, great massage, full 60 minutes. I highly recommend her and will definitely see her again. And now for my latest experience, which is really why I'm posting. I stopped into Royal Touch again hoping to get Amber since I've heard some good things about her, but Hannah was the only one working that morning. I paid for 60 minutes. Went in the room, undressed and laid there for several minutes. She came in, sat some stuff down and then left again. Finally came back a couple minutes later. Massaged me for a little bit (not a very good massage by the way. It was all over the place and disorganized, did a while on the back of one leg and then barely touched the other, not very much pressure), and then she had me flip. I thought it felt a bit soon, but not having any sense of time I just went with it. She took out her boobs and allowed a bit of roaming, but just very mechanically went after the hand job. She finished, wiped me down somewhat with a hot towel and that was that. I tipped her to be polite and then left. When I got out to my car I realized it had only been 40 minutes total from the time I left my car to the time I got back in, which included signing in, undressing, laying there for several minutes before the massage started, re-dressing, and walking back out to my car. So really, even if I had paid for a 30 minute, I still probably would have been shorted by a few minutes. So anyway, all that to say, if you swing into Royal Touch and Hannah is there, you might as well come back another time.Man that is bullshit, sorry you had your money wasted. I say fuck that place, let's all boycot them until they change their act!
UpNorthman
04-11-16, 08:57
Looking for comments on Craigslist list therapeutic massage. I've noticed some of the ads are the same girls as BP.
Also looking for anyone with experience with Jade. On BP says near E Paris area.
LifeExplorer
04-11-16, 11:37
I have been attracted to Amber's photos that are in her Backpage ad for some time but haven't had opportunity to visit until recently. While driving to G. Are. , but still 2 hours away, I called her personal phone number, which went to sweet sounding voicemail, and requested an appointment. After another hour without a response, I called a second time and left a second message. I was beginning to feel a bit disappointed that I would have to soon go to "plan be, see or the". But within 20 minutes of my requested time, she calls me back and we are good to go. I am so happy that I was patient and didn't schedule with someone else. I also assumed that it meant that when she is with another client, she doesn't let her phone interrupt their time together which is also a big plus. When I arrived at Royal (first time there), things seemed a bit hectic. The waiting area was a bit messy, they appeared to be short staffed and were wondering how they were going to handle incoming business as girls that were there wanted to leave and they were trying to figure out who they could call to come in. Also it sounded like the clothes dryer wasn't working properly and so laundry was backing up. A little chaotic to say the least. I paid my $60, one hour massage fee to the girl at the window and then sat in the waiting area until Amber was done with her current client. When that client leaves, she changes out the linens and then has me come into the room and get ready while she leaves and says she'll come back shortly. I got undressed and got on the table and was waiting for what seemed like a pretty long time. I could hear all the girls outside the room discussing the problems they were having and I was certain that I was going to get shorted on my time. I looked around the room to check for a clock but did not see any. I was then going to go to my clothes to check my watch, but decided just to chill and see what happens. I wasn't going to walk out without my massage, and I wasn't really cheated yet either, so until that happens, there is no reason to get worked up and aggravated. When she finally returns, we exchange pleasantries, and I make no mention of the delay in service. Amber has a beautiful smile, and personality, so she was able to calm my initial apprehension of poor service to rest, and proceeded to give me a wonderful massage to take away the tension in my back and to sooth my muscles. We talked of many things along the way and we seemed to hit it off very well. She is quite genuine and it is clear that she enjoys her work. The flip was nice, and while there wasn't any teasing during the massage, when it came to the deciding moment, all she said was, "is there anything else you would like massaged", and a simple "yes" was all it took. There was no upsell, or negotiating necessary. She got comfortable and made me feel very, very good while taking matters into hand in a very sensual and non-mechanical way with generous roaming. Like I say, it is very evident that she enjoys her work and she gives a very pleasant experience. At times I get so relaxed from massage first, that the little guy doesn't want to wake up and participate very easily. Such was the case this day, but Amber did not give up and persevered even though we ran over our time substantially. She should get 10 gold stars for that alone for not adding additional pressure to hurry, or verbally saying your time is up like other providers have. So I guess my patience and good attitude at the beginning of the massage for having to wait a long time on the table before she came to the room paid off at the end of the massage with her being more patient for me. In any regard, it was a GREAT experience. My best thus far. I look forward to going back.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/royal-touchs-amber/16469444
LifeExplorer
04-11-16, 11:49
Oriental is in the elbow of the strip mall at end of 29th St. SE. Paid door fee of 40 for half hour. Saw SaraLee, probably only one there at the time. Nice body and face for 40 and very good massage for an AMP. After flip she allowed roaming over pants and under top & bra.
Wanted me to DIY while she caressed balls and crotch, but eventually relented. Turned into one of the nicest soft, gentle, long-lasting HEs ever. Cleaned up with warm towel (warmer is in room, so her not leaving was nice). That got us to the 30 minute mark. She massaged legs and chest for another 5 without me asking.
So got full time plus. No talk of tip at all. Handed her 20 on the way out; she seemed pleased. Will definitely repeat.Dang! Your luck was better than mine. I had a older woman probably in her late 40's, attractive but did not speak any English at all. Had to point to what I wanted on the menu price sheet for a 1 hour massage. While the massage was good, there was no teasing for me or any hint of any extras. When I arrived, there was a man about the same age assembling some furniture in the corridor there. I didn't know if was her husband or not, but I erred on the side of being cautious. Didn't need any trouble and I hadn't read any reviews on the place. Was just checking it out for possibilities. Now I'll have to go back and try again that their policy has changed.
UpNorthman
04-11-16, 13:38
Looking for reviews on Jade. Looking to make a trip to GR.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/friday-fun-day/17497101
SafariGuide
04-11-16, 16:12
I have been attracted to Amber's photos that are in her Backpage ad for some time but haven't had opportunity to visit until recently. While driving to G. Are. , but still 2 hours away, I called her personal phone number, which went to sweet sounding voicemail, and requested an appointment. After another hour without a response, I called a second time and left a second message. I was beginning to feel a bit disappointed that I would have to soon go to "plan be, see or the". But within 20 minutes of my requested time, she calls me back and we are good to go. I am so happy that I was patient and didn't schedule with someone else. I also assumed that it meant that when she is with another client, she doesn't let her phone interrupt their time together which is also a big plus. When I arrived at Royal (first time there), things seemed a bit hectic. The waiting area was a bit messy, they appeared to be short staffed and were wondering how they were going to handle incoming business as girls that were there wanted to leave and they were trying to figure out who they could call to come in. Also it sounded like the clothes dryer wasn't working properly and so laundry was backing up. A little chaotic to say the least. I paid my $60, one hour massage fee to the girl at the window and then sat in the waiting area until Amber was done with her current client. When that client leaves, she changes out the linens and then has me come into the room and get ready while she leaves and says she'll come back shortly. I got undressed and got on the table and was waiting for what seemed like a pretty long time. I could hear all the girls outside the room discussing the problems they were having and I was certain that I was going to get shorted on my time. I looked around the room to check for a clock but did not see any. I was then going to go to my clothes to check my watch, but decided just to chill and see what happens. I wasn't going to walk out without my massage, and I wasn't really cheated yet either, so until that happens, there is no reason to get worked up and aggravated. When she finally returns, we exchange pleasantries, and I make no mention of the delay in service. Amber has a beautiful smile, and personality, so she was able to calm my initial apprehension of poor service to rest, and proceeded to give me a wonderful massage to take away the tension in my back and to sooth my muscles. We talked of many things along the way and we seemed to hit it off very well. She is quite genuine and it is clear that she enjoys her work. The flip was nice, and while there wasn't any teasing during the massage, when it came to the deciding moment, all she said was, "is there anything else you would like massaged", and a simple "yes" was all it took. There was no upsell, or negotiating necessary. She got comfortable and made me feel very, very good while taking matters into hand in a very sensual and non-mechanical way with generous roaming. Like I say, it is very evident that she enjoys her work and she gives a very pleasant experience. At times I get so relaxed from massage first, that the little guy doesn't want to wake up and participate very easily. Such was the case this day, but Amber did not give up and persevered even though we ran over our time substantially. She should get 10 gold stars for that alone for not adding additional pressure to hurry, or verbally saying your time is up like other providers have. So I guess my patience and good attitude at the beginning of the massage for having to wait a long time on the table before she came to the room paid off at the end of the massage with her being more patient for me. In any regard, it was a GREAT experience. My best thus far. I look forward to going back.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/royal-touchs-amber/16469444I have lied in the Middle East for over 20 years and my favorite Middle eastern proverb is: "Patience is the key to a happy ending!" (Proved true over and over.).
I've seen Amber several times and have reviewed her here before. She's always my first choice when I can get to Gee Are. Treat her right and be patient! You'll be glad you did.
SG.
Dang! Your luck was better than mine. I had a older woman probably in her late 40's, attractive but did not speak any English at all. Had to point to what I wanted on the menu price sheet for a 1 hour massage.These Ladies know how to speak English. Some better than others, but if they pretend they don't speak any English, it's BS. Sometimes they play that game if they don't know you.
Amber has always presented herself as a lady during each appointment I've had with her.
I have been attracted to Amber's photos that are in her Backpage ad for some time but haven't had opportunity to visit until recently. While driving to G. Are. , but still 2 hours away, I called her personal phone number, which went to sweet sounding voicemail, and requested an appointment. After another hour without a response, I called a second time and left a second message. I was beginning to feel a bit disappointed that I would have to soon go to "plan be, see or the". But within 20 minutes of my requested time, she calls me back and we are good to go. I am so happy that I was patient and didn't schedule with someone else. I also assumed that it meant that when she is with another client, she doesn't let her phone interrupt their time together which is also a big plus. When I arrived at Royal (first time there), things seemed a bit hectic. The waiting area was a bit messy, they appeared to be short staffed and were wondering how they were going to handle incoming business as girls that were there wanted to leave and they were trying to figure out who they could call to come in. Also it sounded like the clothes dryer wasn't working properly and so laundry was backing up. A little chaotic to say the least. I paid my $60, one hour massage fee to the girl at the window and then sat in the waiting area until Amber was done with her current client. When that client leaves, she changes out the linens and then has me come into the room and get ready while she leaves and says she'll come back shortly. I got undressed and got on the table and was waiting for what seemed like a pretty long time. I could hear all the girls outside the room discussing the problems they were having and I was certain that I was going to get shorted on my time. I looked around the room to check for a clock but did not see any. I was then going to go to my clothes to check my watch, but decided just to chill and see what happens. I wasn't going to walk out without my massage, and I wasn't really cheated yet either, so until that happens, there is no reason to get worked up and aggravated. When she finally returns, we exchange pleasantries, and I make no mention of the delay in service. Amber has a beautiful smile, and personality, so she was able to calm my initial apprehension of poor service to rest, and proceeded to give me a wonderful massage to take away the tension in my back and to sooth my muscles. We talked of many things along the way and we seemed to hit it off very well. She is quite genuine and it is clear that she enjoys her work. The flip was nice, and while there wasn't any teasing during the massage, when it came to the deciding moment, all she said was, "is there anything else you would like massaged", and a simple "yes" was all it took. There was no upsell, or negotiating necessary. She got comfortable and made me feel very, very good while taking matters into hand in a very sensual and non-mechanical way with generous roaming. Like I say, it is very evident that she enjoys her work and she gives a very pleasant experience. At times I get so relaxed from massage first, that the little guy doesn't want to wake up and participate very easily. Such was the case this day, but Amber did not give up and persevered even though we ran over our time substantially. She should get 10 gold stars for that alone for not adding additional pressure to hurry, or verbally saying your time is up like other providers have. So I guess my patience and good attitude at the beginning of the massage for having to wait a long time on the table before she came to the room paid off at the end of the massage with her being more patient for me. In any regard, it was a GREAT experience. My best thus far. I look forward to going back.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/royal-touchs-amber/16469444
I have been attracted to Amber's photos ...Any BBBJCIMWS? How much did you tip?
I have lied in the Middle East for over 20 years and my favorite Middle eastern proverb is: "Patience is the key to a happy ending!" (Proved true over and over.).
I've seen Amber several times and have reviewed her here before. She's always my first choice when I can get to Gee Are. Treat her right and be patient! You'll be glad you did.
SG.I've had a massage from Amber too. I told her what I liked and she gave me a skilled massage, as good or better than many of the Certified Massage Therapists that I've seen. A good massage is hard to find, Amber will deliver.
Longtime monger, recent member, first time poster (man\child).
This forum is kickass, thanks 4 all the info. Real cheap therapy 4 twisted fucks like us! This gal has been posting 4 car service on Craigslist casual encounters real explicit 4 BBBJ, (triple the price of SW's) no upsell 4 bad / lazy hair-do though, no swallow.
Usually flagged rapidly. FYI, don't know how 2 attach her picture from Akenthon's post, I suffer from 6 inches of thinking, real distracted!, some pills help though! Keep on fucking wif both eyes open!!
Looking for reviews on Jade. Looking to make a trip to GR.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/friday-fun-day/17497101Check your PMs.
LifeExplorer
04-12-16, 11:46
Any BBBJCIMWS? How much did you tip?Full service is not available. As to tipping. For a 1 hour legit massage that is exceptional, I will tip $20. For a 1 hour sensual massage with someone with a decent attitude and effort, I will tip $40. For Amber, I tipped $60. As to why. I suffer from chronic back pain and tension. During the one hour massage, she addressed that issue very professionally and brought some pain relief to me. Did as good of a job as my normal legit therapist. So that has value to me. I also enjoyed the time spent with her and interacting with her. Lastly, we ran a good 15 minutes over the hour to finish, due to my body not cooperating fully, but none the less, got the job done in a unhurried manner. So for me, she was worth every penny but I recognize that everyone has their own opinion on these things. So for the money spent, I left happy, and appreciative of the time spent together. She's a keeper, so treat her well. I look forward to repeating with her.
BayCityGuy
04-12-16, 11:54
I'm staying in a nice hotel downtown early next week, coming over from the east side of the state. Would appreciate any recommendations on a massage provider who provides outcall to my room. Most look to be incall only. PM please. Thanks.
HuggableGuy
04-12-16, 12:58
Any info on this gal? Ad on backpage. Phone 616-856-0113.
Tried calling, left message. No reply yet.
Looks nice. Maybe too good to be true?
Feel free to pm if preferred.
Thanks.
Mike Yepthatsm
04-12-16, 17:01
See my post 8422 in the backpage section. Lights were dim during the apt. I thought she was in her late 20's. Turns out she is probably in her early 40's. Either way her body is off the charts hot. Looks like the menu ends at a HJ if that's what you are looking for.
Any info on this gal? Ad on backpage. Phone 616-856-0113.
Tried calling, left message. No reply yet.
Looks nice. Maybe too good to be true?
Feel free to pm if preferred.
Thanks.
UpNorthman
04-12-16, 17:18
Any reviews on Sunshine?
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
Mike Yepthatsm
04-12-16, 22:17
There have been two reviews on her within the past 2 weeks in this section.
Any reviews on Sunshine?
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
Any info on this gal? Ad on backpage. Phone 616-856-0113.
Tried calling, left message. No reply yet.
Looks nice. Maybe too good to be true?
Feel free to pm if preferred.
Thanks.Hope you realize that those are not her in the pics.
OpenTheDoor
04-13-16, 09:00
Any info on this gal? Ad on backpage. Phone 616-856-0113.
Tried calling, left message. No reply yet.
Looks nice. Maybe too good to be true?
Feel free to pm if preferred.
Thanks.I use to see Jennifer before she got prego, I have seen Hayley several times, smoking ass hot, kick ass body, I have never left disappointed.
OpenTheDoor
04-13-16, 09:12
Hope you realize that those are not her in the pics.I have seen her several times, really pretty face, smoking ass hot, kick ass body, I never left disappointed. Never!
Hope you realize that those are not her in the pics.Her photos are very accurate. Hottest gal out there. Actually better in person. Very warm and sincere. Awesome body rubs! Actual age is early 30. Nothing fake about her! Treat her nice!
Anyway search the images for more substantial Intel on these providers. Anyone who uses fake pictures I usually steer clear of.I agree, fake pics are a red flag for me too. That said, seems like this provider has been verified by one senior member recently. That's enough for me to ignore the use of fake pics. Some ladies just don't want friends and family to stumble upon this side of their life. Fair enough IMHO.
Our sweet Hayley may be an exception but still why use fake pictures if it is only body shots without a face? I don't entirely agree with it but I'm willing to overlook it if there are reviews to back it up. Valid point you make Tom but I still would steer clear.
I agree, fake pics are a red flag for me too. That said, seems like this provider has been verified by one senior member recently. That's enough for me to ignore the use of fake pics. Some ladies just don't want friends and family to stumble upon this side of their life. Fair enough IMHO.
Her photos are very accurate. Hottest gal out there. Actually better in person. Very warm and sincere. Awesome body rubs! Actual age is early 30. Nothing fake about her! Treat her nice!And again here a few point out redflags and we get back to back replies from a firsttime poster and a 2 posts poster.
Because we is dumb ya know! Thanks Haley for the self verification.
If Tom reports on you then I'll believe it.
Hello fellow mongers, I am trying to get a fair idea of how to tip our wonderful massage women. I haven't frequented a parlor in a while, cash issues, but I've heard there is quite a bit of upsell going on at places like Panacea and relaxation station, etc. I've.
Heard of room fees matching the price of the massage. While I am not cheap I am just wondering if this is standard practice before I waste any time or money. Thanks for the help!
With all the postings lately about this place in the strip mall I made the trip to check it out for myself. I got Emily, older asian 40's maybe. Massage only, didn't even.
Get close to the boys. What a waste of my time and money. Paid for an hour and on the way out even asked me for a tip. Seriously? No way. Avoid this place.
Our sweet Hayley may be an exception but still why use fake pictures if it is only body shots without a face? I don't entirely agree with it but I'm willing to overlook it if there are reviews to back it up. Valid point you make Tom but I still would steer clear.Yeah makes sense. I was looking to Mike Yeps' validation, and looks like he saw her early this year too. He's been around and active enough. The 1, 2, and 8 post users are not enough to clear my initial skepticism over fake pics, but Mike is.
May be worth TOFTT. I'll have to see if I can work that out.
And again here a few point out redflags and we get back to back replies from a firsttime poster and a 2 posts poster.
Because we is dumb ya know! Thanks Haley for the self verification.
If Tom reports on you then I'll believe it.We've had a lot of Mongers asking about Hayley the last year or so, but damn near zero actual reports from anyone that has seen her. Now all of a sudden she the best! And then there is the fake pics issue also.
We've had a lot of Mongers asking about Hayley the last year or so, but damn near zero actual reports from anyone that has seen her. Now all of a sudden she the best! And then there is the fake pics issue also.Well, I am not sure if I posted. Some time ago more than a year I met that girl, she gave me a crap massage and I had to do the he job by myself. We did it in an empty house somewhere between Fulton / Michigan area. Hailey if you read this you know it is true.
As I said it was an empty house so we had to do it on the floor, lame massage, lame service, she is in her late 30's ealy 40's, she looks good but her service sucks, at least for me.
OpenTheDoor
04-13-16, 15:49
And again here a few point out redflags and we get back to back replies from a firsttime poster and a 2 posts poster.
Because we is dumb ya know! Thanks Haley for the self verification.
If Tom reports on you then I'll believe it.For the love of god some one go see her tomorrow and back me up, I'm not Hayley, but it does piss me off when people dog good providers for bull shit reasons. Sooo she has a fake pic, WTF do you except in this hobby, the girls do have a life! . I have seen her dance in kzoo a few times, she is a better dancer then massage. I don't get around a lot, a one girl kinda guy, traditional haha, But I use to see Jennifer until she got knocked up, then I met Haley, as for me, really glad I did!
Well, I am not sure if I posted. Some time ago more than a year I met that girl, she gave me a crap massage and I had to do the he job by myself. We did it in an empty house somewhere between Fulton / Michigan area. Hailey if you read this you know it is true.
As I said it was an empty house so we had to do it on the floor, lame massage, lame service, she is in her late 30's ealy 40's, she looks good but her service sucks, at least for me.I also seen Hayley last summer at a house over by Richmond park, wasn't empty but was on floor have to agree half ass massage, shorted on time, cleaned up with dry paper towel. She is probably late 30's great body no roaming did not repeat just my experience.
BigFriknNutz
04-13-16, 17:23
Toftt on this one as I don't recall any reports. If you want a good massage in a nice environment this is your place. You will leave feeling relieved but not Happy if you get my drift. Didn't even try as I got zero vibe and massuese who I thought was mamasan was very much conseevatist in demeaor and look. None the less normal 1\2 hr fee and small tip as massage (hot stones included) was one of the best I've had. A lot of elbow work too. Location is 28th just east of Paris in strip mall.
Well, I am not sure if I posted. Some time ago more than a year I met that girl, she gave me a crap massage and I had to do the he job by myself. We did it in an empty house somewhere between Fulton / Michigan area. Hailey if you read this you know it is true.
As I said it was an empty house so we had to do it on the floor, lame massage, lame service, she is in her late 30's ealy 40's, she looks good but her service sucks, at least for me.Maybe you did post about her. The empty house on the floor thing kinda sounds familiar. I knew there must have been a reason her name hasn't come up recently. I texted her a long time ago and asked where she worked. MP or apt / house. She never responded. She stays off my to do list. Thanks for the refresher Aken.
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I'm shutting you down Bradster, the "more recent" photo? You lifted that off her facebook, then cropped it, to post it here.
The forum is for guys that want to write about chicks to fuck them, not for psychos to harass chicks they can't fuck.
I know you'll make a new user, I'm calling on the group to not engage the lunatic, don't comment his posts, just report them so I can 86 him again, and again, and again, and again.
Best bet is to go find some angry cat photo site you can troll.
A2
Mike Yepthatsm
04-13-16, 18:41
When I saw her, which was within the past 6 months, she was at a local massage parlor. I got the impression she rented a room and wasn't actually an employee there. Standard massage table. I think she used either baby oil or lotion ( I don't remember) not the standard massage oil the MPs use. For me she gave a massage that wasn't memorable then the flip. She sat on my chest so I could look at her amazing ass while she gave me a HJ. She also took my hands and placed them on her breasts at one point. She was completely nude. The total cost was 150 I think. Like I said earlier this wasn't for a full hour. At least it wasn't for me.
Could I have seen an escort for cheaper? Yep. I took a chance on her and I'm glad I did. She is by far one of the hottest, if not the hottest, lady on BP. Sometimes I prefer eye candy with a happy ending over stellar service from someone not as aesthetically pleasing. I get the impression YMMV with her if your hygiene is subpar. She did tell me some stories about some guys who had horrible hygiene and she wasn't able / willing to provide the type of experience they were hoping for.
She is very hot, that has been established. Pics may not be her but are an accurate representation. She is very petite with small breasts (which may be surgically enhanced soon). She is pricey for what services she provides. She may be YMMV depending on how you look / your hygiene. You may not get a full hour. Now if you are good with the above then she may be someone you want to see. If not, then I'd look elsewhere.
Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.
When I saw her, which was within the past 6 months, she was at a local massage parlor. I got the impression she rented a room and wasn't actually an employee there. Standard massage table. I think she used either baby oil or lotion ( I don't remember) not the standard massage oil the MPs use. For me she gave a massage that wasn't memorable then the flip. She sat on my chest so I could look at her amazing ass while she gave me a HJ. She also took my hands and placed them on her breasts at one point. She was completely nude. The total cost was 150 I think. Like I said earlier this wasn't for a full hour. At least it wasn't for me.
Could I have seen an escort for cheaper? Yep. I took a chance on her and I'm glad I did. She is by far one of the hottest, if not the hottest, lady on BP. Sometimes I prefer eye candy with a happy ending over stellar service from someone not as aesthetically pleasing. I get the impression YMMV with her if your hygiene is subpar. She did tell me some stories about some guys who had horrible hygiene and she wasn't able / willing to provide the type of experience they were hoping for.
She is very hot, that has been established. Pics may not be her but are an accurate representation. She is very petite with small breasts (which may be surgically enhanced soon). She is pricey for what services she provides. She may be YMMV depending on how you look / your hygiene. You may not get a full hour. Now if you are good with the above then she may be someone you want to see. If not, then I'd look elsewhere.
Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.Well, my hygiene is top notch. I'm in my mid 30's we all have good or bad experiences with lets say the same girl, maybe they are having a bad day.
SpicyStacy has bad reviews in this forum but I saw her twice and both times everything went well, first time, topless BBBJCIM second time FS the full 30 min.
There was a cougar girl that goes by Brandy if I am not wrong, she used to post pics on a pool table, someone said that she has a house by Kalamazoo / Boston ST area. I met her twice too, first time was great second time was a different story.
All of us have good days and bad days. But we pay for a good time, the providers must have that in mind everytime we want to see them.
Nice work seniors! Saved me some misery. Not going to waste any time or money on Hayley based on the recent Intel.
Providers need to treat every customer well, cause each and every one of us is a potential repeat customer, but more importantly a potential referral source, and most importantly a potential DE-ferral source. When you short change any of us, you kill your own business!
BigFriknNutz
04-13-16, 23:51
Check your PMs.I'm guessing there is good reason behind the PM but I wouldn't mind any 411 they may be available on her.
HuggableGuy
04-14-16, 08:58
Tried for two days to contact her.
No return call.
Based on reviews (mixed bag).
One brain still wants to see her, the other has decided against it.
The hunt continues.
On an hour session I go:
20% (usually $12 for an hour, $8 for a half) for a "legit" massage (no HE, no roaming, just rubbing one just what you can see when in a bathing suit).
$20 for an HE with nothing else.
$40 for a topless HE and nothing else.
$60 when there is some mutual behavior (I get to explore, fully nude, etc).
$80 when there is unlimited mutual behavior (FIV, licking, etc.).
More when the big extras become available (BBBJ, CFS).
For a half hour, halve everything except the 20% and the $20 for the HE.
I am probably not typical but this makes sense and has worked for me.
Hello fellow mongers, I am trying to get a fair idea of how to tip our wonderful massage women. I haven't frequented a parlor in a while, cash issues, but I've heard there is quite a bit of upsell going on at places like Panacea and relaxation station, etc. I've.
Heard of room fees matching the price of the massage. While I am not cheap I am just wondering if this is standard practice before I waste any time or money. Thanks for the help!
So, I don't post a lot and have been out of the hobby for a about a year to boot. My return has been a couple visits to Panacea. My ATF's for massage in GR work there and I figured get back to playing with people I know and like.
Things are not what they once were.
I tried someone new the first time and got about 35 minutes to the hour and a standard topless HE that I had to ask for (breaks the mood). I also got a little grumbling that I didn't tip until the end though I did tip a bit more than what I have tipped in the past for this service ($60).
I went with one of my favs the second time and got the same treatment. It was 37 minutes after being kept waiting for 15. Massage was good and the experience was generally good but the provider was a lot less playful than I remember and the time a lot shorter.
Neither of these women were Tasha but the specific names don't really matter I think. Both massages were pretty similar so I am reporting on the place, not the women.
I think Panacea may have run its course for me. I don't have a lot of hobby funds so, like a lot of us, I need to squeeze the most out of what I spend. 35 min for $60 to do something I can do at home with pornhub and a bottle of lotion just does not fit the bill. I am sad; it was a great place in my opinion. The girls all speak clear English and the ones I saw generally acted like they were having fun which helps me. Time to go looking for a regulare outside the parlors I think.
Play safe fellas.
MichiganMale75
04-14-16, 10:18
I presume this place is strictly legit, but anyone have first-hand knowledge?
www.trimassageplus.com
Hello fellow mongers, I am trying to get a fair idea of how to tip our wonderful massage women. I haven't frequented a parlor in a while, cash issues, but I've heard there is quite a bit of upsell going on at places like Panacea and relaxation station, etc. I've.
Heard of room fees matching the price of the massage. While I am not cheap I am just wondering if this is standard practice before I waste any time or money. Thanks for the help!Read thru this thread. Plenty of info. Many Mongers went round and round just recently on this exact topic! Hopefully we don't need to do it again. Feel free to PM if the reading doesn't help.
NJ.
Cap Augie Nemo
04-14-16, 21:54
Yes, very legit.
I presume this place is strictly legit, but anyone have first-hand knowledge?
www.trimassageplus.com
I presume this place is strictly legit, but anyone have first-hand knowledge?
www.trimassageplus.comUnless they post ads on Backpage in the adult section, presume they are strictly legit and move on.
Member #6608
04-14-16, 22:13
Your miles will vary with her. I have not had any problems getting BBBJ, fiv, and FS from her. Will probably have to drop a little more greens for that to happen though.
Saw Torie for a repeat visit left $60 on the table as before. After about 15 minutes she said to roll over. I said I was here for an hour appointment. She said what I left last time (60 + 40 is what she charges for a half, not nude hour. For nude hour she wants 140 total.
Ended up with about 35 minutes, she kept thong on, no mutual massage, totally nude, with extensive fiv like before. Still very nice massage, personality, and HE, but she wants more than the 40 + 20 for half or 60 +40 for whole hour I pay.
Also, she should have informed me on the phone or before we started that it would not be what I expected unless I wanted to pay 40 more than last time. Too bad because I was planning on a couple visits a month with her.
StoleHome8
04-14-16, 22:25
So I had been too busy and stuck in Greenville too much to go hunting lately. Had been wanting to see Jade for a year, and I decided today was the day. Skipped out early on a sunny day in excitement of my first Jade experience. Texted with her yesterday but she was booked all day yesterday, so I scheduled for today at 5:00. Agreed that I would text a half hour to an hour before for address. Asked about a shower and she said yes. Great I thought. I'm back! Forward to 4:30 today. I text, no reply. Send a few more thinking she was in an appt. Waited until 5. Called. Voice mail. Voice mail box was pucked up and wouldn't let me leave a message. (Using my MONGER PHONE) at 5:10 I knew. Not going to happen, so went to plan be.
Here's the link to miss no-show / no call.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/gentelman-its-tuesday-evening-you-thinking-what-im-thinking/17497101
Plan be. Hadn't been to Panacea for a few years. Been hearing all the weird tip things going on, so I thought I would go see if it was true. I had always loved Panacea, and was sad to hear about the goings on. I had had my eye on Tia for quite a while. I've seen mixed reviews. But little head saw her hotness and wanted to give it a shot. Called, Tia was working. Yay! Made appt. Arrived, she wasn't around but another newb, young 20's hot mixed Hispanic girl checked me in and paid for the hour and said Tia will be right in. Went in, got ready and damn. This girl is just what I needed. Friendly, dirty talking, HOT brown / blonde hair up in a piggie. Started off with back, legs and teasing. While having a very stimulating erotic conversation. Normally I don't have wood on the flip right away, but I did. Normally I don't pop easy, however she had me at the brink so we switched and I massaged and roamed her hot newly tanned body from being in Florida last week. Unfortunately, Aunt Flo was in town so only over the yoga pants for today, but next time, more. After piling up her perfect A's or small be's, it didn't take much and I popped while we were talking dirty. I have a thing for that. Girls, all we need to do is hear it!! LOL. Our wieners work from our testosterone brain. Anyway, in summary, massage. Ehhh, ok. Light pressure felt great for what I wanted. Hotness, 9. 7. Overall experience -9. 9. I had so much fun I even forgot about the tip rule! Oh, maybe because there isn't one. She didn't know what I was talking about when I said that. Now, she did mention that many of the normal girls have all had babies lately, and they have some temp help that isn't so great. Who knows what they have been telling people. So, moral of the story. Stick with the tried and true at Panacea, and it's the same as always! Choose a newb. Ehh, maybe we just need to grow a set and train them. We are the bosses. We do write their checks. For good service, we do pay. I paid $60/ hr. $40 tip. At least I salvaged a boner kill from Jade. Oh, and still no return texts from her. We all have our days, and maybe she just had a bad day or something came up. A professional quick text would have been all I needed, instead I drove 50 miles and endured a traffic jam for 40 min because of it. Stay safe! Monger on! Use a hobby phone. When searching backpage, always search by date.
SH.
StoleHome8
04-15-16, 00:23
I have seen her quite a few times over the last year plus. She is definitely HOTT! VERY nice tits, and a near perfect ass! Three problems: 1) No FS, 2) She gets pretty damned expensive, and her rates seem to change each visit, and 3) a few times she seems bi-polar. PM if you need more info.I've also seen the hot Cassandra quite a few times myself, however I can't find an ad or a phone number. The last time I saw her she got VERY drunk, very fast. LOL. My kinda chic! Has anyone seen her lately? She seems to have stopped posting in CL under Services Small Biz ads. At one time she was the only one to post there. Any help or knowledge of where she's gone would be much appreciated! Although a bit odd, I had fun with her.
So I had been too busy and stuck in Greenville too much to go hunting lately. Had been wanting to see Jade for a year, and I decided today was the day. Skipped out early on a sunny day in excitement of my first Jade experience. Texted with her yesterday but she was booked all day yesterday, so I scheduled for today at 5:00. Agreed that I would text a half hour to an hour before for address. Asked about a shower and she said yes. Great I thought. I'm back! Forward to 4:30 today. I text, no reply. Send a few more thinking she was in an appt. Waited until 5. Called. Voice mail. Voice mail box was pucked up and wouldn't let me leave a message. (Using my MONGER PHONE) at 5:10 I knew. Not going to happen, so went to plan be.
Here's the link to miss no-show / no call.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/gentelman-its-tuesday-evening-you-thinking-what-im-thinking/17497101
Plan be. Hadn't been to Panacea for a few years. Been hearing all the weird tip things going on, so I thought I would go see if it was true. I had always loved Panacea, and was sad to hear about the goings on. I had had my eye on Tia for quite a while. I've seen mixed reviews. But little head saw her hotness and wanted to give it a shot. Called, Tia was working. Yay! Made appt. Arrived, she wasn't around but another newb, young 20's hot mixed Hispanic girl checked me in and paid for the hour and said Tia will be right in. Went in, got ready and damn. This girl is just what I needed. Friendly, dirty talking, HOT brown / blonde hair up in a piggie. Started off with back, legs and teasing. While having a very stimulating erotic conversation. Normally I don't have wood on the flip right away, but I did. Normally I don't pop easy, however she had me at the brink so we switched and I massaged and roamed her hot newly tanned body from being in Florida last week. Unfortunately, Aunt Flo was in town so only over the yoga pants for today, but next time, more. After piling up her perfect A's or small be's, it didn't take much and I popped while we were talking dirty. I have a thing for that. Girls, all we need to do is hear it!! LOL. Our wieners work from our testosterone brain. Anyway, in summary, massage. Ehhh, ok. Light pressure felt great for what I wanted. Hotness, 9. 7. Overall experience -9. 9. I had so much fun I even forgot about the tip rule! Oh, maybe because there isn't one. She didn't know what I was talking about when I said that. Now, she did mention that many of the normal girls have all had babies lately, and they have some temp help that isn't so great. Who knows what they have been telling people. So, moral of the story. Stick with the tried and true at Panacea, and it's the same as always! Choose a newb. Ehh, maybe we just need to grow a set and train them. We are the bosses. We do write their checks. For good service, we do pay. I paid $60/ hr. $40 tip. At least I salvaged a boner kill from Jade. Oh, and still no return texts from her. We all have our days, and maybe she just had a bad day or something came up. A professional quick text would have been all I needed, instead I drove 50 miles and endured a traffic jam for 40 min because of it. Stay safe! Monger on! Use a hobby phone. When searching backpage, always search by date.
SH.Grow a pair. Love that idea. LOL.
I have tried to train a few but Density was a 10. No kidding. Same lame massage as before training.
I did notice in your report that some of the Panacea girls are gone due to pregnancy. That leads me to believe they were giving BBFS to someone. So when they return don't let them say they don't do that. Trista is just back from maternity leave too. Probably lactating still. I think she gave BBFS too.
I'm sure they all have BF or husbands. Just having some fun beating up an old topic.
Play safe and we're a condom or get 18 yrs child support.
Thanks for the great review.
I've also seen the hot Cassandra quite a few times myself, however I can't find an ad or a phone number. The last time I saw her she got VERY drunk, very fast. LOL. My kinda chic! Has anyone seen her lately? She seems to have stopped posting in CL under Services Small Biz ads. At one time she was the only one to post there. Any help or knowledge of where she's gone would be much appreciated! Although a bit odd, I had fun with her.Sorry SH, but she is long gone. She had a very abusive BF and I think she ended up moving to Illinois with family. Too bad. She was so fucking hot, I could bear the bipolar shit.
Plan be. Hadn't been to Panacea for a few years. Been hearing all the weird tip things going on, so I thought I would go see if it was true. I had always loved Panacea, and was sad to hear about the goings on. I had had my eye on Tia for quite a while. I've seen mixed reviews. But little head saw her hotness and wanted to give it a shot. Called, Tia was working. Yay! Made appt. Arrived, she wasn't around but another newb, young 20's hot mixed Hispanic girl checked me in and paid for the hour and said Tia will be right in. Went in, got ready and damn. This girl is just what I needed. Friendly, dirty talking, HOT brown / blonde hair up in a piggie. Started off with back, legs and teasing. While having a very stimulating erotic conversation. Normally I don't have wood on the flip right away, but I did. Normally I don't pop easy, however she had me at the brink so we switched and I massaged and roamed her hot newly tanned body from being in Florida last week. Unfortunately, Aunt Flo was in town so only over the yoga pants for today, but next time, more. After piling up her perfect A's or small be's, it didn't take much and I popped while we were talking dirty. I have a thing for that. Girls, all we need to do is hear it!! LOL. Our wieners work from our testosterone brain. Anyway, in summary, massage. Ehhh, ok. Light pressure felt great for what I wanted. Hotness, 9. 7. Overall experience -9. 9. I had so much fun I even forgot about the tip rule! Oh, maybe because there isn't one. She didn't know what I was talking about when I said that. Now, she did mention that many of the normal girls have all had babies lately, and they have some temp help that isn't so great. Who knows what they have been telling people. So, moral of the story. Stick with the tried and true at Panacea, and it's the same as always! Choose a newb. Ehh, maybe we just need to grow a set and train them. We are the bosses. We do write their checks. For good service, we do pay. I paid $60/ hr. $40 tip. At least I salvaged a boner kill from Jade. Oh, and still no return texts from her. We all have our days, and maybe she just had a bad day or something came up. A professional quick text would have been all I needed, instead I drove 50 miles and endured a traffic jam for 40 min because of it. Stay safe! Monger on! Use a hobby phone. When searching backpage, always search by date.
SH.Nice move. Always good to salvage a Boner Kill from a no call / no show! We are the ones that write their paychecks. If they provide poor service, it's because Mongers let them.
Seen sunshine a few days ago.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
I knew from the pictures she was not going to be a small girl but I was a little taken back on how big she was. The first picture of her in blue is absolutely stunning and in person she does have a pretty face. When the massage started I forgot everything. She was so sensual, caring, and kind. Was one of the most relaxing rubs ever.
She is super sweet, fun, and I think she has the cutest voice ever. Left happy for $.Was the massage in the nude?
TheCompany
04-16-16, 17:35
With all the postings lately about this place in the strip mall I made the trip to check it out for myself. I got Emily, older asian 40's maybe. Massage only, didn't even.
Get close to the boys. What a waste of my time and money. Paid for an hour and on the way out even asked me for a tip. Seriously? No way. Avoid this place.I have been going there off and on for a few months. Great massage. Used to see Jenny. Tried Emily a few times since I don't believe Jenny works there anymore. I could get some mileage out of Jenny but I couldn't say that for Emily. Get some teasing and some mutual touch. Never been offered (this)? There is a new girl there maybe give her a go. I don't know. Seems a lot like 76th street. Maybe I am just to old for Emily. She might just be interested in the younger guys. Maybe set her up as a chat buddy. Anyone have Emily's number a PM would be cool. Thanks.
I stopped in at Pacific on 44th street in the afternoon. I called ahead and was told that I had the option of Jenna or Myree.
I haven't there in a while so I had no clue who to choose so I went with Jenna who I was told was Caucasian. When I got there I saw the cutest young light skinned black girl sitting outside, so I was hoping for the best on the girl I chose. I was shown to my room and 5 minutes later Jenna came in. The room was fairly dark and my first impression was that she was a bit older blond maybe she had a couple of kids but she looked okay She introduced herself and immediately took off her shirt to reveal two very small breast. She kept her jeans on which was annoying but gave a decent back rub and on the flip was a very good with teasing and making the boys feels really at home. I haven't released in a while and when she climbed on the table and was very aggressive which I like and I was done before she could finish properly. Overall I would stay again. For hr and a decent tip I got my money's worth. While her boobs are small she makes up for it with serious effort. Check her out!
Was the massage in the nude?Yes nude from the word go. Super sweet girl. Sensual HJ, no upsell whatsoever.
UpNorthman
04-18-16, 09:57
Fair warning on this massage therapist if you are looking for something straight forward. Based on the ad thought it was legitimate but willing to experiment. Location seemed very BP type. After exchanging payment, she wanted me to get undressed in front of her. Seems very BP. Massage was undraped. Worked my back, legs and butt. Spent considerable amount of time on upper hamstring and hand spend many times sliding in my crack and down to the "boys". On the flip she again spent a fair amount of time on the upper thighs, lower stomach, and pelvic bone. At 1 hr and 10 minutes into a one hr massage, I asked for additional and she flipped. Her conversation, the 'games', all lead me to believe she's not right in the head.
Buyer beware.
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/thp/5541155585.html
StoleHome8
04-18-16, 13:24
Fair warning on this massage therapist if you are looking for something straight forward. Based on the ad thought it was legitimate but willing to experiment. Location seemed very BP type. After exchanging payment, she wanted me to get undressed in front of her. Seems very BP. Massage was undraped. Worked my back, legs and butt. Spent considerable amount of time on upper hamstring and hand spend many times sliding in my crack and down to the "boys". On the flip she again spent a fair amount of time on the upper thighs, lower stomach, and pelvic bone. At 1 hr and 10 minutes into a one hr massage, I asked for additional and she flipped. Her conversation, the 'games', all lead me to believe she's not right in the head.
Buyer beware.
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/thp/5541155585.htmlAbout 6-7 years ago she used to post as "Beth". She had a spot on Plainfield in a professional office building. I will say her massages were fantastic. And she used to be much thinner, enough I would entertain her giving me a HE. It appears as she hasn't changed. I also had almost the identical treatment. To the point where I almost couldn't take it anymore. It's just not cool, especially with the signs all pointing towards happiness. I've seen some reports that she USED to do extras, and was perhaps even an escort. I went a couple times years ago and never went back because of her incredible jibber jabber (I like it fairly quiet) too distracting for me, even for a professional massage. However, I would recommend her for a massage only. I remember at the time it being one of the best I had found.
Agreed with the frustrating head games. Just weird!
SH.
Stroker417
04-18-16, 14:26
About 6-7 years ago she used to post as "Beth". She had a spot on Plainfield in a professional office building. I will say her massages were fantastic. And she used to be much thinner, enough I would entertain her giving me a HE. It appears as she hasn't changed. I also had almost the identical treatment. To the point where I almost couldn't take it anymore. It's just not cool, especially with the signs all pointing towards happiness. I've seen some reports that she USED to do extras, and was perhaps even an escort. I went a couple times years ago and never went back because of her incredible jibber jabber (I like it fairly quiet) too distracting for me, even for a professional massage. However, I would recommend her for a massage only. I remember at the time it being one of the best I had found.
Agreed with the frustrating head games. Just weird!
SH.If it's who I think it is, I saw her years (15+) ago and she was an escort back then. Went by the name Angel and she was quite sensual. The last I knew she had moved to, I think, the Detroit area to be with her boyfriend. The word I got was that she left him, found religion, and became a good girl.
Stroker417
04-18-16, 14:35
About 6-7 years ago she used to post as "Beth". She had a spot on Plainfield in a professional office building. I will say her massages were fantastic. And she used to be much thinner, enough I would entertain her giving me a HE. It appears as she hasn't changed. I also had almost the identical treatment. To the point where I almost couldn't take it anymore. It's just not cool, especially with the signs all pointing towards happiness. I've seen some reports that she USED to do extras, and was perhaps even an escort. I went a couple times years ago and never went back because of her incredible jibber jabber (I like it fairly quiet) too distracting for me, even for a professional massage. However, I would recommend her for a massage only. I remember at the time it being one of the best I had found.
Agreed with the frustrating head games. Just weird!
SH.If it's who I think it is, I saw her years (15+) ago and she was an escort back then. Went by the name Angel and she was quite sensual. The last I knew she had moved to, I think, the Detroit area to be with her boyfriend. The word I got was that she left him, found religion, and became a good girl.
MagicHands2
04-18-16, 19:13
About 6-7 years ago she used to post as "Beth". She had a spot on Plainfield in a professional office building. I will say her massages were fantastic. And she used to be much thinner, enough I would entertain her giving me a HE. It appears as she hasn't changed. I also had almost the identical treatment. To the point where I almost couldn't take it anymore. It's just not cool, especially with the signs all pointing towards happiness. I've seen some reports that she USED to do extras, and was perhaps even an escort. I went a couple times years ago and never went back because of her incredible jibber jabber (I like it fairly quiet) too distracting for me, even for a professional massage. However, I would recommend her for a massage only. I remember at the time it being one of the best I had found.
Agreed with the frustrating head games. Just weird!
SH.First time I saw her was maybe 4 years ago. She offered a good (but not great) massage for a bargain price, but there were definitely no extras to be had. Though it was so easy to think otherwise due to the teasing and verbal flirting she would do throughout the session. I kept going back because the massage was well worth the price she was charging at the time and tipped her well. But like many of you, decided I couldn't handle the constant talking and religion push. Not what I was paying for. The lack of extras I could deal with, because the CMT quality massage made it worthwhile, but I don't care to be preached to unless I asked for it.
MagicHands2
04-18-16, 19:17
Seen sunshine a few days ago.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
I knew from the pictures she was not going to be a small girl but I was a little taken back on how big she was. The first picture of her in blue is absolutely stunning and in person she does have a pretty face. When the massage started I forgot everything. She was so sensual, caring, and kind. Was one of the most relaxing rubs ever.
She is super sweet, fun, and I think she has the cutest voice ever. Left happy for $.May I ask her general area? I have to plan my hobby activities carefully, so need to factor in the appropriate "travel time" also.
Much appreciated, Magichands2.
TheCompany
04-18-16, 23:20
Visited awhile ago. Asian massage NW. Just north of 96. Clean. A lot of beds. Two right in the lobby. Two ladies preciously from 76 street are there. Older one not much of an adventure but good massage. Younger gal mid thirties named Joy. (Not our trusted and tried Joy from Eastern and 28) Yes she blows my phone up too. Excellent massage. Got right down between the ribs. Could feel it for a couple of days. Takes a few visits for her to warm up to you for personal service. Not a bad place. Hours later in the evening than others in town. Joy maybe looking for the right man.
May I ask her general area? I have to plan my hobby activities carefully, so need to factor in the appropriate "travel time" also.
Much appreciated, Magichands2.She is in downtown GR. In the area of Cherry and Madison. Probably the best setup I've seen for a provider. There is a private entrance off the back of the building that leads right to the room. Super discrete, super safe, and really great area. I think she will only be working another month because her lease is up and she is moving.
Any good providers looking for an amazing in home setup can PM me. I have the contact info for the building owner.
BlueBallsToo
04-20-16, 08:48
What ever happened to her. Platinum blond thick girl. Massage I think her name was heather. Any info.
She is in downtown GR. In the area of Cherry and Madison. Probably the best setup I've seen for a provider. There is a private entrance off the back of the building that leads right to the room. Super discrete, super safe, and really great area. I think she will only be working another month because her lease is up and she is moving.
Any good providers looking for an amazing in home setup can PM me. I have the contact info for the building owner.No offense but I think that is kinda slippery slope there offering to give people the location of the building she is in. Too much info there can't be helpful to her unless she provides the info. Idle thoughts, I would hate to see anything harmful come out of your willingness to give out her building.
No offense but I think that is kinda slippery slope there offering to give people the location of the building she is in. Too much info there can't be helpful to her unless she provides the info. Idle thoughts, I would hate to see anything harmful come out of your willingness to give out her building.I'm pretty sure that is her providing the info.
No offense but I think that is kinda slippery slope there offering to give people the location of the building she is in. Too much info there can't be helpful to her unless she provides the info. Idle thoughts, I would hate to see anything harmful come out of your willingness to give out her building.Not only are they not idle thoughts, it is a very smart suggestion. Thank you for pointing that out, point well taken.
AlexKai777
04-20-16, 22:56
Seen sunshine a few days ago.
http://grandrapids.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunshine/23879612
I knew from the pictures she was not going to be a small girl but I was a little taken back on how big she was. The first picture of her in blue is absolutely stunning and in person she does have a pretty face. When the massage started I forgot everything. She was so sensual, caring, and kind. Was one of the most relaxing rubs ever.
She is super sweet, fun, and I think she has the cutest voice ever. Left happy for $.Does she offer BBBJ at all? I like massage with BBBJ.
Does she offer BBBJ at all? I like massage with BBBJ.Sorry but I don't know.
TheCompany
04-22-16, 19:52
With all the postings lately about this place in the strip mall I made the trip to check it out for myself. I got Emily, older asian 40's maybe. Massage only, didn't even.
Get close to the boys. What a waste of my time and money. Paid for an hour and on the way out even asked me for a tip. Seriously? No way. Avoid this place.Visited again the other day. Same girl. Massage fully draped head to foot. Absolutely no roaming. Ask why the change? Was told too many customer come here ask for he. Want no trouble. Guess the recent buzz brought in the galloping herd. Some shock and awe action must of stunned these girls.
Visited again the other day. Same girl. Massage fully draped head to foot. Absolutely no roaming. Ask why the change? Was told too many customer come here ask for he. Want no trouble. Guess the recent buzz brought in the galloping herd. Some shock and awe action must of stunned these girls.I was going to pay another visit also, guess I'll wait. Maybe with this news out now the drop in business will make these girls reconsider and go back to making customers happy again.
First time I saw her was maybe 4 years ago. She offered a good (but not great) massage for a bargain price, but there were definitely no extras to be had. Though it was so easy to think otherwise due to the teasing and verbal flirting she would do throughout the session. I kept going back because the massage was well worth the price she was charging at the time and tipped her well. But like many of you, decided I couldn't handle the constant talking and religion push. Not what I was paying for. The lack of extras I could deal with, because the CMT quality massage made it worthwhile, but I don't care to be preached to unless I asked for it.I agree with all of the statements about Beth. The massage is ok, certainly not great. There is a lot of verbal flirting and she watches you undress, gets close to the boys sometimes. There is the constant talking. Never did receive a religion push. But that sounds horrible. I'm not there to get down with Jesus! I'm there for a good time. She really just needs to come off her high horse and start offering the hand shake at the end. It's not that big of a deal! She would make quite a bit of money and everybody would be happy. Screw the standards of morals. This is Backpage, for goodness sake! I hope she sees this post.
I agree with all of the statements about Beth. The massage is ok, certainly not great. There is a lot of verbal flirting and she watches you undress, gets close to the boys sometimes. There is the constant talking. Never did receive a religion push. But that sounds horrible. I'm not there to get down with Jesus! I'm there for a good time. She really just needs to come off her high horse and start offering the hand shake at the end. It's not that big of a deal! She would make quite a bit of money and everybody would be happy. Screw the standards of morals. This is Backpage, for goodness sake! I hope she sees this post.Amen!
LOL.
Love The Lips
04-25-16, 12:00
Anyone see the new girl Anita at Panacea? I hear she is petite. Hoping she's cute and her service is good. It's been a while since I've been to Panacea. Got an itch to go see if things are improving.
Not only are they not idle thoughts, it is a very smart suggestion. Thank you for pointing that out, point well taken.Assuming her building is not actually on the corner, a location indicating the nearest corner of 2 well known streets is MUCH more useful in deciding whether to contact a provider than some general "downtown" description. I would assume that corner would be within 1/2 mile of the actual address. I encourage reference to a nearby (but not exact) significant intersection. Just MHO. Jim.
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