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Thegentleman
07-13-10, 17:17
http://wwe.wgbh.org/897/sex_and_labor_trafficking_in_new_england_part_one.cfm
Heard them hyping this report on the radio. Same lame stuff as usual--an ex-prostitute was saying *all* prostitution activity *always* involves human trafficking and children. It's a shame they are allowed to say these things unchallenged.
This guy has no clue how to monger.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/exclusive_al_gore_sex_scandal_two_new_female_accusers_assault/celebrity/69024
TwistedBrother
07-19-11, 12:04
Interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. Study that's referred to appears to have been in Boston.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html
Forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
As I said on my hometown thread, while I know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. I know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but I don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. I also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. Maybe not on the streets, but the AMP girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. They're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
What do you think?
FluffyBunny666
07-19-11, 12:38
interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. study that's referred to appears to have been in boston.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html
forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
as i said on my hometown thread, while i know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. i know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but i don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. i also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. maybe not on the streets, but the amp girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. they're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
what do you think?i agree with you.
i think that this is a typical view from those opposed to things.
i am sure that these are true stories but i do not know if it is the norm.
i have met many sex workers even in other countries and mostly i am the one being exploited for money, and happily so.
i was surprised at the statement about how easy it is to get **** women in boston. i am pretty aware of alot of venues for providers and with a few strip club exceptions most that i know of are over 18.
Massenthusiast
07-19-11, 17:43
Interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. Study that's referred to appears to have been in Boston.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html
Forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
As I said on my hometown thread, while I know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. I know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but I don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. I also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. Maybe not on the streets, but the AMP girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. They're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
What do you think?It's all crap. They can't go against the norm and say "Well the sex workers aren't really being abused and it is indeed a victimless crime". No one, especially not old media, would publish that. Even the media often publishes pure shit that's controversial, some things that go against main stream Christian morality never see the light of day because the backlash would be tremendous.
it's all crap. they can't go against the norm and say "well the sex workers aren't really being abused and it is indeed a victimless crime". no one, especially not old media, would publish that. even the media often publishes pure shit that's controversial, some things that go against main stream christian morality never see the light of day because the backlash would be tremendous.article was written to appeal to a target audience. quotes from all the right people. i don't agree with several points in this piece and alot of the stats they quote are way out there and probably not truthful. if this is such a big problem why isn't anyone doing anything to stop it? pimps who peddle **** girls deserve jail, but this article tries to lump everything together which i don't agree with. anyway enough of my rant.
only asking for trouble, stay away from any ads that indicate **** girls. no excuses. just my. 02
posted by matt byrne july 8, 2011 10:04 am
a 16-year-old girl was arrested june 28 in a prostitution sting at a somerville hotel, the police said yesterday.
the suspect, who was not identified because she is ****, was caught in a sting operation set up by the somerville police drug / vice unit at the la quinta inn, said deputy chief paul upton, in a phone interview.
the vice officers saw a classified advertisement for sexual conduct in an unidentified media source, contacted the girl, and set up a time to meet. the girl quoted the officer $150 for a half hour of sexual conduct or $200 for an hour, and told the officer to bring condoms, according to the report.
when the officer arrived at the hotel he met with the juvenile, went to a room, and exchanged money, at which point the girl told the officer to get undressed.
the officer gave a pre-arranged signal to other police waiting nearby, who entered the room and arrested the suspect, the report said.
"upon entry juvenile stated that she was 18 years old," the report said."she physically resisted being handcuffed and attempted to flee the hotel room."
after her arrest, the girl said she was wanted for a child in need of services warrant, usually issued to runaway children. police also notified the department of children and families.
Interesting story in newsweek today about prostitution. Study that's referred to appears to have been in Boston.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/07/17/the-growing-demand-for-prostitution.html
Forgive me if posted elsewhere (and if it has, guide me to that thread).
As I said on my hometown thread, while I know some of what this study says to be true, a lot of it seems far from my / our experiences as mongers on this board. I know we represent a fraction of those who "buy sex," but I don't see the level of exploitation, masochism, or other negative qualities described here. I also see the women on their side of the coin with a lot more power than is suggested. Maybe not on the streets, but the AMP girls and escorts we all see are generally older, independent, and are making a lot of $$$ from us. They're also ripping us off from time to time and usually telling us how it's going to be, not us telling them.
What do you think?Study done by folks who have political agenda, Flawed study design, poor sample size, leading interview questions, all interviewers had already determined results of study before stating said "Research" was completed, Other more reliable studies have been done. Links to both contradicting studies.
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/.ks/000012.html
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdfs/Farleyetal2011ComparingSexBuyers.pdf
Personally a little part-time love works fine for me.
If link does not work, check Jacksonville News and Media Reports.
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/08/15/study-men-paying-for-sex-from-prostitute-looking-for-true-love/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:What_happened_to_clreviews.com
5) On May 20, 2012 at 11:56 am Hamptonbeach [0] said:
Darkmarknh. I used the site shutdown as a reason to remove myself from the hobby entirely as I had moved away from the New England area quite some time ago. But. The Big Dog message boards was always a good place to see what's going on in the hobby world.
www.*********.net/messageboards/
(4) On May 14, 2012 at 3:51 pm Darkmarknh [0] said:
HamptonBeach, thanks for the info! Do you have any recommendations for a replacement site?
(3) On May 10, 2012 at 6:27 pm Hamptonbeach [0] said:
Hahaha. Avengingidiot. This is hamptonbeach. I was only a moderator and had no access to the personal contents of the message board. As I posted a few times the admins disappeared almost 2 years prior to the site shutting down. It was initially shut down for spam by godaddy because the site got hacked. It was later restored and then shut down. I emailed the domain owner and this is the reply I got.
I wrote: clreviews. Com. You are listed as the contact by godaddy. Who are you then? The admins have been gone for about 2 years but someone keeps paying the domain fees.
His reply: I'm a domain reseller. This domain was sold on a payment plan that apparently wasn't fulfilled, quite a while ago. I'm trying to contact the buyer and figure out what's going on.
I contacted him again to see if I could fulfill the contract and get access to the database, but he never replied back.
RIP CLReviews.
(2) On February 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm AvengingArchangel [0] said:
There's a rumor around that the Admin (HamptonBeach) was being investigated by LE and that he not only gave up information to escort blacklist owners, but was giving information about members and board-posters to LE to save his own skin. Some of his members also started to give up details about him to others that were looking for him.
(1) On February 7, 2012 at 7:33 pm Ridem [0] said:
It's also possible something else happened between them and their webhost.
E. G via: DNSTools whois lookup (today) Feb 7 2012.
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Craven Head
08-17-12, 15:41
http://www.bpdnews.com/2012/08/17/undercover-investigation-enables-the-human-trafficking-unit-to-arrest-five-suspects-during-on-line-sting/
Doesn't mention where it happened.
RoadRunner9
08-17-12, 17:49
http://www.bpdnews.com/2012/08/17/undercover-investigation-enables-the-human-trafficking-unit-to-arrest-five-suspects-during-on-line-sting/
Doesn't mention where it happened.See link to report in Boston Herald.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220817five_arrested_in_online_sex_sting/srvc=home&position=recent
Member #4442
11-08-12, 09:34
http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2012/11/aclu-files-lawsuit-over-proposition-35s-sex-offender-provisions.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBUqKdiExs4
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Apparently it's true as a friend was arrested. MA is apparently very hot from what I've been told. PM for details.
Member #5037
04-24-13, 05:23
Apparently it's true as a friend was arrested. MA is apparently very hot from what I've been told. PM for details.Anything you have to offer is welcome. We all need to be on our guard and any tips will help.
It is not a crime in Canada to sell sex for money." That is the very first sentence in the Supreme Court's unanimous judgment striking down Canada's prostitution laws. The case is "not about whether prostitution should be legal or not." It is "about whether the laws Parliament has enacted on how prostitution may be carried out pass constitutional muster." And the Supreme Court says that the three, long-standing Criminal Code sections governing the sex trade do not pass the test, and are unconstitutional. On two out of three, the court got it right. But we have questions about striking down the third of those provisions. So should Canadians.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/on-prostitution-two-cheers-for-the-supreme-court/article16078755/
It is not a crime in Canada to sell sex for money." That is the very first sentence in the Supreme Court's unanimous judgment striking down Canada's prostitution laws. The case is "not about whether prostitution should be legal or not." It is "about whether the laws Parliament has enacted on how prostitution may be carried out pass constitutional muster." And the Supreme Court says that the three, long-standing Criminal Code sections governing the sex trade do not pass the test, and are unconstitutional. On two out of three, the court got it right. But we have questions about striking down the third of those provisions. So should Canadians.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/on-prostitution-two-cheers-for-the-supreme-court/article16078755/
Oh Canada... glorious and free!
Boston Tiffany
12-25-13, 21:29
Oh Canada... glorious and free!The business itself is not a crime, however it is illegal still (until the parliament has reached its year deadline to change the bill).
I have been to Canada and you are not allowed to operate in a hotel. They do have apartments that are rentable for the week. This is as of yet is the best way to operate safely ... However you do need a passport to go into Canada now.
It looks like it is time to really lay low in MetroWest.
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025
There are two ways to see any situation. It is either a good time to sit back and take a break. Or with business slowed down by the threat of LE there may be some great bargains to be had! LOL.
BigBadDog69
01-29-14, 08:34
Human Trafficking.
Girls being held against their will. One girl called police.
Article in Metrowest Daily News and on Fox25.
OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025
Human Trafficking.
Girls being held against their will. One girl called police.
Article in Metrowest Daily News and on Fox25.
OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025I am not saying this is false but it sounds weird to me. The article says that they got a call from a former employee. If they are holding you against your will why would they let you go. Also If you answered an ad in a paper and you are just a normal person that thinks your just doing normal work and they don't let you leave, would'nt someone you know report you missing. If it was me I would tell a customer or walk right out the door with a customer and scream. There are so many ways to get out if no one has your family hostage somewhere or something like that. I don't know?
BigBadDog69
01-29-14, 10:13
I am not saying this is false but it sounds weird to me. The article says that they got a call from a former employee. If they are holding you against your will why would they let you go. Also If you answered an ad in a paper and you are just a normal person that thinks your just doing normal work and they don't let you leave, would'nt someone you know report you missing. If it was me I would tell a customer or walk right out the door with a customer and scream. There are so many ways to get out if no one has your family hostage somewhere or something like that. I don't know?Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.
They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.
It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.
All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.
They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.
Perhaps in our ratings we try to sort out whether we believe they are human trafficking vs. Need money but free will AMPs. I would like to avoid being part of the former. And yes...I know we will never know for sure but I do get a sense in thinking about all the places I have visited.
Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.
They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.
It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.
All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.
They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.
Perhaps in our ratings we try to sort out whether we believe they are human trafficking vs. Need money but free will AMPs. I would like to avoid being part of the former. And yes...I know we will never know for sure but I do get a sense in thinking about all the places I have visited.I'm not sure any of us are qualified to be anywhere close to the best judges of the details of an AMP provider's circumstances, short of coming right out and asking the lady (and she could lie so as not to jeopardize her job, of course). Personally, I'd rather go to a spa where the owner seems self-employed (like Aiko and Diva's in CT) and speaks decent English, and then refrain from patronizing a place that offers a variety of non-English speaking ladies who look like they're unhappily under the thumb of the mamasan. I prefer not to leave with that skeevy feeling that the lady who just gave me the happy ending is there against her will.
OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025I hear ya Ben. I'd want nothing to do with a place that was associated with such activity. I sincerely hope it turns out that this is more a case of a disgruntled employee than trafficking. Time will bear that out I suppose.
FWIW, I'm wary of places with high staff turnover & those places where staff have no or little command of the English language.
Alas, how I wish this hobby were legal, taxed & regulated (like our neighbors to the north or across the pond) so consenting adults could have an outlet to earn / indulge more safely & securely.
Member #4063
01-29-14, 11:12
This is Martha see. Using the law to chase down AMPs. If you recall she did this, or local LE did, with an AMP out near Worcester and eventually the charges were dropped. It hits the MPs very hard and probably scares them to think twice about setting up shop again.
Jack.
P.S. That is not to say this doesn't happen, but I don't think is anywhere near as prevalent as the media and Martha would like you to believe it happens.
Stressed Out
01-29-14, 11:14
Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.
They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.
It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.
All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.
They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.While I agree with my good friend and confidant BBD69 I also know of quite a few girls / ladies that are not victims of HT and are free to come and go and get paid decently. Each situation is different. I always take the reports of a 'former' worker with a grain of salt. Let's face it no matter what business you are in there are 'former disgruntled workers'. And this business is certainly ripe for complaints. And when was the last 'raid or arrest' of a mp that didn't mention it was for 'HT'. Months later if you check on their case you find that the 'HT' charge was thrown out. Of course this info is not easy to find as they don't want to say they 'overreacted' How better to make a splash than to shout 'HT'.
And again to stress that this may be true here and in other cases and we should all deplore it there are certainly places and providers that are not victims.
Craven Morehed
01-29-14, 11:16
OK. I was under the impression that the places I frequent were not human trafficking. I talk to the masseuses many of whom live off site. I have never frequented this place but I have frequented it's sister location. Have I lived in denial to pursue my personal lust? This changes things for me. And saddens me. I always new this existed but didn't think it existed in MetroWest or at least to this extent.
How can we avoid this? Is there any way to know which places are this type? If this is true I cannot support human trafficking. I think it is time to start a dialogue and support these women in this horrendous situation. Again if this proves to be true. It could be a vendetta. Let me know what you think.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025This happened in Windsor, CT not too long ago.
If I knew the girls were being held I wouldn't go, but how can you tell.
Craven Morehed
01-29-14, 11:18
While I agree with my good friend and confidant BBD69 I also know of quite a few girls / ladies that are not victims of HT and are free to come and go and get aid decently. I always take the reports of a 'former' worker with a grain of salt. Let's face it no matter what business you are in there are 'former disgruntled workers'. And this business is certainly ripe for complaints. And when was the last 'raid or arrest' of a mp that didn't mention it was for 'HT'. Months later if you check on their case you find that the 'HT' charge was thrown out. How better to make a splash than to shout 'HT'.
And again to stress that this may be true here and in other cases and we should all deplore it there are certainly places and providers that are not victims.Like SO said the HT angle grabs headlines.
Its been fun and all but this takes it to a new level which I do not support.
It is one thing if they are willing but being held prisoner goes against my morals even if I was nto aware of it.
This is some twisted stuff.
Its been fun I am out.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/QUOTE]
although I think there are places that are not this way. maybe have to stick to non-asian?
Its been fun and all but this takes it to a new level which I do not support.
It is one thing if they are willing but being held prisoner goes against my morals even if I was nto aware of it.
This is some twisted stuff.
Its been fun I am out.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20140129/NEWS/140126025[/QUOTE]
Stressed Out
01-29-14, 12:02
Perhaps in our ratings we try to sort out whether we believe they are human trafficking vs. Need money but free will AMPs. I would like to avoid being part of the former. And yes...I know we will never know for sure but I do get a sense in thinking about all the places I have visited.Yes you can't or won't know for sure. I have repeated this story more than once but here goes again. A few years ago I frequented a well known spa in RI. I got to know one of the ladies very well since it seemed like whenever I went I was paired up with her. Little did I realize it was on purpose. After a bit of time I realized she was the recorded owner of the spa. About the same time whisperings of 'HT' began to circulate concerning the RI spas. Eventually she started inviting me back just about closing time where there were no customers around. The first time I went in I notice that the ladies slept there on mats after their shifts. Well I assumed the worst based on first observations. Anyway after a few evenings with her I found out that she lived nearby (she invited me to her house) and was doing this to put her kids through a local college. The other ladies who worked there were from NY (as most were) and slept at the spa since they only were there for a few weeks at a time. They were free to come and go if they wanted and to stay as short or as long a time as they wanted. They didn't have to 'pay' to sleep there or for their meals. She would drive them around when they needed anything as most didn't have licenses for obvious reasons. She even drove them back if they needed to get home in a hurry. I got to know a few of the ladies and found their stories varied. Some had families here and they were helping to support them. Some had no family and were here to just work and make some money. But none of them were victims of anything other than doing what they had been doing for years both here and back home. She has since sold the business as her kids graduated. So sometimes the picture you see isn't fact.
Blambo McGee
01-29-14, 14:02
Obvious solution to the alleged HT problem would be to regulate, register and tax the spas. But when it comes to anything sexual, we are still living in Puritan times, or worse. Oddly, it's legal to smoke weed, which causes impairment, but not legal to give or receive a hand job for cash, which only leaves you happy and the girl with a few extra bucks. It's only legal to ask for a HJ or offer one if you take a girl to dinner and call it a date. I dunno. Sometimes you have to just throw your hands up in the air and say, "Sheeesh!" We are equally hypocritical about the female breast: All females have them. All babies have seen them. Men spend their lives chasing after them, but show them off in public? A scandal.
I concur totally with SO. The details vary slightly but I know the owners of several locations more than well enough to have confidence in stating that that I know of none that fit the description as alleged at Oasis. I have always known the girls at any place I have knowledge of to be free to leave including even the girls that worked for the now famous Coco. Some may live on site and some may live off site. The legal definition of human trafficking may be broad reaching and may on the surface snare these establishments but to most of us it defies our interpretation of human trafficking. My point is not to dissect the law but rather speak with some confidence that this is not an accurate picture of the majority of places you visit. Oasis in particular I never visited and have no specific knowledge of.
Yes you can't or won't know for sure. I have repeated this story more than once but here goes again. A few years ago I frequented a well known spa in RI. I got to know one of the ladies very well since it seemed like whenever I went I was paired up with her. Little did I realize it was on purpose. After a bit of time I realized she was the recorded owner of the spa. About the same time whisperings of 'HT' began to circulate concerning the RI spas. Eventually she started inviting me back just about closing time where there were no customers around. The first time I went in I notice that the ladies slept there on mats after their shifts. Well I assumed the worst based on first observations. Anyway after a few evenings with her I found out that she lived nearby (she invited me to her house) and was doing this to put her kids through a local college. The other ladies who worked there were from NY (as most were) and slept at the spa since they only were there for a few weeks at a time. They were free to come and go if they wanted and to stay as short or as long a time as they wanted. They didn't have to 'pay' to sleep there or for their meals. She would drive them around when they needed anything as most didn't have licenses for obvious reasons. She even drove them back if they needed to get home in a hurry. I got to know a few of the ladies and found their stories varied. Some had families here and they were helping to support them. Some had no family and were here to just work and make some money. But none of them were victims of anything other than doing what they had been doing for years both here and back home. She has since sold the business as her kids graduated. So sometimes the picture you see isn't fact.
First of all this whole thing might just be slander from a disgruntled ex employee. I visited the sister site. Many experienced Monger friends visited Oasis. It seemed like all the other places. The girls seemed free.one of the girls from this site "went back to college" and there seemed to be a turnover. Unless you have very intimate knowledge of the ownership I would doubt that one can tell the difference. But it is really easy for all of us to be fooled unless you are talking about a non-Asian place. Even then you can't be sure. To say you can tell is to be in denial of your possible participation in HT. Not saying that this is the norm but if it's true it certainly opens my eyes to how easily we can be fooled. Not sure we will ever get the details.
I concur totally with SO. The details vary slightly but I know the owners of several locations more than well enough to have confidence in stating that that I know of none that fit the description as alleged at Oasis. I have always known the girls at any place I have knowledge of to be free to leave including even the girls that worked for the now famous Coco. Some may live on site and some may live off site. The legal definition of human trafficking may be broad reaching and may on the surface snare these establishments but to most of us it defies our interpretation of human trafficking. My point is not to dissect the law but rather speak with some confidence that this is not an accurate picture of the majority of places you visit. Oasis in particular I never visited and have no specific knowledge of.
MongerExpert
01-29-14, 18:23
This has happened in the metrowest before, not too far back. Uncle LEO and other agencies put together a case for Medford / Woburn / Wilmington et cetera and arrested two alleged conspirators of HT amongst other things. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/05/13/medford-woman-woburn-man-arrested-human-sex-trafficking-case/opoqwFyfFQun6CucWHeTFP/story.html Obviously most are against HT but if you went to any of those places listed in this article, obviously you are indifferent. Coakley is a politician, she got adult services off of craigslist, which didn't do anything backpage opened up. Asian massage parlors probably don't belong in a town like Natick anyways. This isn't an HT forum.
Bigben there are some on the forum that do have the "very intimate knowledge of the ownership" you refer too and we are trying to give you reason to believe that even if this story is accurate in the details it is not the norm by a long shot. Some of the apartment setups and hotel girls with pimps are a different story. The average AMP that is talked about on here you should feel better about than where your are leaning now.
Go back to your favorite one tomorrow and leave feeling very happy.
First of all this whole thing might just be slander from a disgruntled ex employee. I visited the sister site. Many experienced Monger friends visited Oasis. It seemed like all the other places. The girls seemed free.one of the girls from this site "went back to college" and there seemed to be a turnover. Unless you have very intimate knowledge of the ownership I would doubt that one can tell the difference. But it is really easy for all of us to be fooled unless you are talking about a non-Asian place. Even then you can't be sure. To say you can tell is to be in denial of your possible participation in HT. Not saying that this is the norm but if it's true it certainly opens my eyes to how easily we can be fooled. Not sure we will ever get the details.
First of all this whole thing might just be slander from a disgruntled ex employee. Again I say something sound fishy about this. If you hold someone hostage and make them do handjobs all day why let them go? (former employee) So they can tell on you? Especially since she claims she just answered an ad in the paper. It's not like they shipped her in from somewhere. I don't see how someone could hold her 24 hours a day with her being able to leave.
Pretty much what I said. Only said IF IT IS TRUE..this place seemed like the norm so we will never really now unless we stick to the places where we KNOW the ownership. How many people do that?
Bigben there are some on the forum that do have the "very intimate knowledge of the ownership" you refer too and we are trying to give you reason to believe that even if this story is accurate in the details it is not the norm by a long shot. Some of the apartment setups and hotel girls with pimps are a different story. The average AMP that is talked about on here you should feel better about than where your are leaning now.
Go back to your favorite one tomorrow and leave feeling very happy.
Ho Hunter 328
01-30-14, 04:46
Most of these girls are illegal and may be here alone.
They are afraid to say anything for fear of retaliation and being sent back. They also could be paying off their debt to come to America.
It is not a good life for most. This happens in quite a few places.
All the girls in RI also either live on site for a month at a time or within a few buildings away sleeping on mattresses on the floor.
I have first hand knowledge of this and it is not pretty.
They eat rice everyday so when you bring them something different they are very happy.Not to mention the very real likelihood of retaliation against family members still in her native country. Honestly, any place were the girls don't speak fluent English, is likely to be involved with human trafficking.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Ho Hunter 328
01-30-14, 04:58
It's only legal to ask for a HJ or offer one if you take a girl to dinner and call it a date. I dunno.Actually, in Massachusetts it is still illegal... Sex outside of marriage is a misdemeanor in MA. Oral sex is a felony. Anal sex is a felony. Adultery is a felony. Notice a trend? This is definitely not the state that will legalize prostitution, and certainly not if Martha has anything to say about it.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
PS: A side effect of Massachusetts puritanical laws means that same sex marriages (which MA was so proud of being one of the first states to legalize) can not be legally consummated, which technically makes them void after one year.
Smoke Screen
01-30-14, 09:00
Not to mention the very real likelihood of retaliation against family members still in her native country. Honestly, any place were the girls don't speak fluent English, is likely to be involved with human trafficking.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.I've been reluctant to add to the topic, so I'll try to be brief. This past summer I was at a VERY popular spa in Chinatown, met a girl that I was attracted too. We became very good friends, seeing each other outside of the spa as well as inside for more than 5 months. In late Dec she sent me a text message saying she has been taken to NY and can't get back to Boston. She had no idea what was happening. Originally, while still in China, she answerd an ad reading somethng like, come to America, we will send you to school to learn English, send you to a university, get you a good job, so you can pay the fee of $30,000. Her family gave their house to the "agency" in hopes of getting her out of there. No such luck, the "agency" took the house and won't let her go. She said if she tries to leave her family will be harmed. The last message I received from her was Dec 27. I know if she could she would be in contact with me, all I can think is her phone was taken away. Sure she could probably get out of where she is, but at what price, her family being hurt or worse.
BigBadDog69
01-30-14, 12:31
I've been reluctant to add to the topic, so I'll try to be brief. This past summer I was at a VERY popular spa in Chinatown, met a girl that I was attracted too. We became very good friends, seeing each other outside of the spa as well as inside for more than 5 months. In late Dec she sent me a text message saying she has been taken to NY and can't get back to Boston. She had no idea what was happening. Originally, while still in China, she answerd an ad reading somethng like, come to America, we will send you to school to learn English, send you to a university, get you a good job, so you can pay the fee of $30,000. Her family gave their house to the "agency" in hopes of getting her out of there. No such luck, the "agency" took the house and won't let her go. She said if she tries to leave her family will be harmed. The last message I received from her was Dec 27. I know if she could she would be in contact with me, all I can think is her phone was taken away. Sure she could probably get out of where she is, but at what price, her family being hurt or worse.For a fact this is happening all over the USA.
Promises of grandeur and good life and become slaves.
It's complete bullshit and THOSE people need to be dealt with.
Ignorance is bliss to think that the places any one of us chooses are not HT. Majority are not but I would say that as outsiders we can rarely ever be certain. Several fellow mongers had a solid relationship with the owner / manager of Oasis and believed it to be legit. Again this may be a Martha see witch hunt or a personal AMP vendetta but if it isn't we all need to stop living in denial and saying "I know my places are not HT". Let's hope this is media hoopla and there was no HT.
For a fact this is happening all over the USA.
Promises of grandeur and good life and become slaves.
It's complete bullshit and THOSE people need to be dealt with.
Smoke Screen
01-30-14, 21:28
For a fact this is happening all over the USA.
Promises of grandeur and good life and become slaves.
It's complete bullshit and THOSE people need to be dealt with.They should be dealt with but how does one deal wih the Chinese mafia or any one of the many Triad gangs in China. These are the main groups of people that are responsible for human trafficking. Then the mamasons running the parlors get the blame, and they are only doing what they need to do in order to survive.
Most of these busts are PR and BS. I'm sure some HT exists out there. Most prob occur in their native countries, Cambodia, south america. Like the recent bust of 10 cochituate Road. - you can't fire a slave right? So it's just an employment issue. They rotate girls from NYC and transport them here. LEO or martha likes to call that HT. I call it commuting.
Most providers I've seen come and go (NYC rotation). And just trying to make some money.
Ignorance is bliss to think that the places any one of us chooses are not HT. Majority are not but I would say that as outsiders we can rarely ever be certain. Several fellow mongers had a solid relationship with the owner / manager of Oasis and believed it to be legit. Again this may be a Martha see witch hunt or a personal AMP vendetta but if it isn't we all need to stop living in denial and saying "I know my places are not HT". Let's hope this is media hoopla and there was no HT.
Ledger6969
01-31-14, 01:29
For a fact this is happening all over the USA.
Promises of grandeur and good life and become slaves.
It's complete bullshit and THOSE people need to be dealt with.SS, I am really sorry to hear about your friend and willl pray that she is ok and safe. Unfortunately, China is a lawless society where the rich, powerful and corrupt do what they will with many others and answer to nobody. Ask me I have been there for an extended period almost to my demise. Once again, ss sorry to hear this pm me if you like I may be able to offer you some suggestions.
Acid Black
01-31-14, 21:04
I really need to get a monger phone!
From Bloomberg, Jan 31,2014, 0:00:00.
Sitting in an operations center outside Washington, JG and his team have spent the last week tracing the digital footprints of Super Bowl sex traffickers with the same technology he once used to hunt insurgents in Afghanistan.
To read the entire article, go to http://bloom.bg/1fs3ZgI.
Sent from the Bloomberg iPad application. Download the free application at http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bloomberg-for-ipad/id364304764?mt=8.
I really need to get a monger phone!
From Bloomberg, Jan 31,2014, 0:00:00.
Sitting in an operations center outside Washington, JG and his team have spent the last week tracing the digital footprints of Super Bowl sex traffickers with the same technology he once used to hunt insurgents in Afghanistan.
To read the entire article, go to http://bloom.bg/1fs3ZgI.
Sent from the Bloomberg iPad application. Download the free application at http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bloomberg-for-ipad/id364304764?mt=8.Hey, I wonder how many of our best and hottest have gone to New York for the big game weekend stash of cash? I can think of two possibilities right off the top of my head.
DontFailMeNow
02-05-14, 10:02
Front page of today's Metro (Boston), Wed Feb 5th, has 18 mug shots from stings performed towards the end of January by the BPD's Human Trafficing Unit. The D A 's office is showing no signs of letting up. Be very cautious out there guys because it seems that it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. If something doesn't seem right, get the fuck out of there and live to score another day. STAY SAFE.
http://braintree.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/braintree-man-among-14-wouldbe-johns-nabbed-in-online-sting
Hi. I met Jazmine about a couple of months ago. She is a beautiful lady, very friendly and tall with curves. She is the person in the pics and puts you at ease. .5 for $ CBJ and mish and do hope to see her again as time permits. Do treat her well and stay safe.
PM's welcomed.
Front page of today's Metro (Boston), Wed Feb 5th, has 18 mug shots from stings performed towards the end of January by the BPD's Human Trafficing Unit. The D A 's office is showing no signs of letting up. Be very cautious out there guys because it seems that it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. If something doesn't seem right, get the fuck out of there and live to score another day. STAY SAFE.
http://braintree.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/braintree-man-among-14-wouldbe-johns-nabbed-in-online-stingFor the prostitute it is a misdemeanor and $200 fine. For the client it is a $1,000 fine and a movie.
It's apparent they can't control the providers since the laws don't reflect those powers but they have the ability to hit the clients which they have stated. GO FIGURE.
BE SAFE BE AWARE.
Member #5037
02-05-14, 12:03
Front page of today's Metro (Boston), Wed Feb 5th, has 18 mug shots from stings performed towards the end of January by the BPD's Human Trafficing Unit. The D A 's office is showing no signs of letting up. Be very cautious out there guys because it seems that it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. If something doesn't seem right, get the fuck out of there and live to score another day. STAY SAFE.
http://braintree.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/braintree-man-among-14-wouldbe-johns-nabbed-in-online-stingDamn,another friend busted. Its getting scary for you BP guys. Thats why I stick to street walkers, easier to assess a situation than walking in blind to a set-up / sting.Probably all those "To good to be true" post's with the fake pic's .They got lazy or don't know.I told him Googleimage,Escort phone search,tineye and just keep following every bit of info that comes off the internet from those searchs.
BstnGuy1457
02-05-14, 14:07
Damn,another friend busted. Its getting scary for you BP guys. Thats why I stick to street walkers, easier to assess a situation than walking in blind to a set-up / sting.Probably all those "To good to be true" post's with the fake pic's .They got lazy or don't know.I told him Googleimage,Escort phone search,tineye and just keep following every bit of info that comes off the internet from those searchs.This really terrifies me as I'm trying to figure out my first try I keep freaking out when I think I narrow it down.
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02-05-14, 16:10
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Damn,another friend busted. Its getting scary for you BP guys. Thats why I stick to street walkers, easier to assess a situation than walking in blind to a set-up / sting.Probably all those "To good to be true" post's with the fake pic's .They got lazy or don't know.I told him Googleimage,Escort phone search,tineye and just keep following every bit of info that comes off the internet from those searchs.I think that LEO posted ads in the CLCE section for these busts? It's tougher to research if that's the case, obviously. I know if any of them hint of drugs, I'm not responding.
BTW, how long has a capital T been a code for Meth? I don't think any of those arrested were even busted for meth in the past few months there.
Member #4675
02-05-14, 18:16
I think that LEO posted ads in the CLCE section for these busts? It's tougher to research if that's the case, obviously. I know if any of them hint of drugs, I'm not responding.
BTW, how long has a capital T been a code for Meth? I don't think any of those arrested were even busted for meth in the past few months there.This correspnds to the truth, CL CE Is full of ads from the "powers that be" I mean shit every ad has " party favors" in the ad. Stay away from CL.
I have been thinking about this and would like some input from other clients and providers. My thought is if the provider and client would meet in public like at a starbucks or a bar, exchange the donation there since your paying the provider for time spent. You only payed to hang out with this person and whatever happens after that is between two consenting adults. So you meet for a coffee or drink pay the donation, then you kiss the provider or client's ear while whispering "would you like to go somewhere more private and have some fun?" You both then agree to a nearby hotel, drive to it separately, both go to the counter to reserve a room and go have fun! If it were a sting, would an LE really agree to waste time to meet then go do a bust? And if they do, what illegal action really took place? You met and decided to go have sex!! And for a client I feel this would be the safest way to meet as LE usually have everything in place at a hotel, to meet in public then rent a room at a random hotel would be far to hard for them to move backup with you just to make a bust. If the provider does not want to go to all the hassle would tell me that its probably a sting. Any thoughts? Am I missing something?
I have been thinking about this and would like some input from other clients and providers. My thought is if the provider and client would meet in public like at a starbucks or a bar, exchange the donation there since your paying the provider for time spent. You only payed to hang out with this person and whatever happens after that is between two consenting adults. So you meet for a coffee or drink pay the donation, then you kiss the provider or client's ear while whispering "would you like to go somewhere more private and have some fun?" You both then agree to a nearby hotel, drive to it separately, both go to the counter to reserve a room and go have fun! If it were a sting, would an LE really agree to waste time to meet then go do a bust? And if they do, what illegal action really took place? You met and decided to go have sex!! And for a client I feel this would be the safest way to meet as LE usually have everything in place at a hotel, to meet in public then rent a room at a random hotel would be far to hard for them to move backup with you just to make a bust. If the provider does not want to go to all the hassle would tell me that its probably a sting. Any thoughts? Am I missing something?Hey Deb,
It is far simpler than that, just tell every new guy who stops by to fuck you that it is completely free, though you are selling your sexy panties for $100. If he does not want to buy it, then you simply change your mind. Now you are perfectly legal.
Make sure the conversation is recorded. But do not forget to turn it off while sucking his cock!
BH.
TheBoobHound
02-06-14, 01:01
I think that LEO posted ads in the CLCE section for these busts? It's tougher to research if that's the case, obviously. I know if any of them hint of drugs, I'm not responding.
BTW, how long has a capital T been a code for Meth? I don't think any of those arrested were even busted for meth in the past few months there.I am guessing that it was this ad on BP (or others like it):
Bit. Ly /1 kX9 zJJ.
Note the Braintree location and how it mentions that 'party favors are available.' That's a red flag. In fact, these ads were noted in the BP reviews thread on this forum.
This one is the most suspect in my opinion. They've been known to post ads without phone numbers before. http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/looking-to-party-need-favors-22/25627743 I can't view your link from my device right now but I think I saw the ad you were referencing.
I am guessing that it was this ad on BP (or others like it):
Bit. Ly /1 kX9 zJJ.
Note the Braintree location and how it mentions that 'party favors are available.' That's a red flag. In fact, these ads were noted in the BP reviews thread on this forum.
Hey Deb,
It is far simpler than that, just tell every new guy who stops by to fuck you that it is completely free, though you are selling your sexy panties for $100. If he does not want to buy it, then you simply change your mind. Now you are perfectly legal.
Make sure the conversation is recorded. But do not forget to turn it off while sucking his cock!
BH.Edible panties! You are afterall dining out!
The cost of condoms may vary from 100 for Bare skinned 150 for Ultra thin 200 for ribbed. Tax not included.
Speeding Ticke
02-06-14, 10:00
The role of LE in the fight against crime is to reduce and prevent first. An arrest based on a bogus ad or some other setup, that has a high sting rate but low probability of conviction, is still a win for LE.
A couple years ago in Maine a bunch of guys were arrested in a sting. Almost none were convicted!
All of them were in the NEWS PAPER with pretty head shots from the arrest. When the cases were dismissed w / o a finding, the innocent were not vindicated. The publicity of the arrest destroyed careers, relationships etc and was a huge deterrent for would be "johns.".
And a big LE WIN.
Deb, your scheme won't work for most. The expense of a new room for every client would lower the profit too much and the extra time meeting etc would probably lead to a lot of guys backing out on girls that are only average in looks or personality. I would bet 50% would start thinking with the big head again before making it to the room.
Deb, your scheme won't work for most. The expense of a new room for every client would lower the profit too much and the extra time meeting etc would probably lead to a lot of guys backing out on girls that are only average in looks or personality. I would bet 50% would start thinking with the big head again before making it to the room.Not to mention if women started doing this, what is stoping them from taking your cash and just leaving. Now you don't know where they live and unless you beat their ass in the middle of downtown Boston or where ever you met them you lost your cash. Or your taking a trip to jail for beating them.
Not going to work.
The role of LE in the fight against crime is to reduce and prevent first. An arrest based on a bogus ad or some other setup, that has a high sting rate but low probability of conviction, is still a win for LE.
A couple years ago in Maine a bunch of guys were arrested in a sting. Almost none were convicted!
All of them were in the NEWS PAPER with pretty head shots from the arrest. When the cases were dismissed w / o a finding, the innocent were not vindicated. The publicity of the arrest destroyed careers, relationships etc and was a huge deterrent for would be "johns.".
And a big LE WIN.
Deb, your scheme won't work for most. The expense of a new room for every client would lower the profit too much and the extra time meeting etc would probably lead to a lot of guys backing out on girls that are only average in looks or personality. I would bet 50% would start thinking with the big head again before making it to the room.The humiliation factor is what LE is counting on to drive others away to combat the situation.
No matter what scheme you come up with if LEO wants you they got you. The best thing is to try and remain low key and off their radar.
99% of the busts and stings I have read all have the following common factors- Prostitution or solicitation of sex for a fee, drugs and sexually explicit ads on either BP or CL / CE.
While the provider gets hit with a lesser fine the client gets whacked with a fine X's 5. The sole intend (which has been reported) to expose the Johns / clients to drive down the business and embarasss them.
Read some of the ads on CL / CE and when you read about drugs or specific sexual acts that will be performed you can't help but say WTF! They real or a sting?
Must be an election year.
RoadStar01
02-06-14, 13:26
I have been thinking about this and would like some input from other clients and providers. My thought is if the provider and client would meet in public like at a starbucks or a bar, exchange the donation there since your paying the provider for time spent. You only payed to hang out with this person and whatever happens after that is between two consenting adults. So you meet for a coffee or drink pay the donation, then you kiss the provider or client's ear while whispering "would you like to go somewhere more private and have some fun?" You both then agree to a nearby hotel, drive to it separately, both go to the counter to reserve a room and go have fun! If it were a sting, would an LE really agree to waste time to meet then go do a bust? And if they do, what illegal action really took place? You met and decided to go have sex!! And for a client I feel this would be the safest way to meet as LE usually have everything in place at a hotel, to meet in public then rent a room at a random hotel would be far to hard for them to move backup with you just to make a bust. If the provider does not want to go to all the hassle would tell me that its probably a sting. Any thoughts? Am I missing something?Deb, the problem with this scenario, besides the expense of a room for each client as noted by Speeding, is the trust factor. Not many guys are going to trust a girl who is new to them to not just take their money and say "Thanks for lunch Honey, have a nice day" That kind of arrangement would be an open door to scammers and rip off artists.
This may work for some folks, in so far as to meet and establish that neither person is LE, without money changing hands, then retire to an agreed upon location for the date. Some girls actually encourage this type of meeting, but it's time consuming, so it's rare.
The simplest way is research research research. Do your homework and seek reviews and referrals.
ANYONE not known to you could be LE, on either side of the equation.
RoadStar01
02-06-14, 13:35
This really terrifies me as I'm trying to figure out my first try I keep freaking out when I think I narrow it down.BstnGuy, Freaking out will save your ass. It's a treacherous path, but carefully navigated, the rewards are there.
Join one of the verification services. It's a small price to pay for peace of mind, and will open many doors.
Ho Hunter 328
02-06-14, 14:18
I have been thinking about this and would like some input from other clients and providers. My thought is if the provider and client would meet in public like at a starbucks or a bar, exchange the donation there since your paying the provider for time spent. You only payed to hang out with this person and whatever happens after that is between two consenting adults. So you meet for a coffee or drink pay the donation, then you kiss the provider or client's ear while whispering "would you like to go somewhere more private and have some fun?" You both then agree to a nearby hotel, drive to it separately, both go to the counter to reserve a room and go have fun! If it were a sting, would an LE really agree to waste time to meet then go do a bust? And if they do, what illegal action really took place? You met and decided to go have sex!! And for a client I feel this would be the safest way to meet as LE usually have everything in place at a hotel, to meet in public then rent a room at a random hotel would be far to hard for them to move backup with you just to make a bust. If the provider does not want to go to all the hassle would tell me that its probably a sting. Any thoughts? Am I missing something?Uncle LEO would just make the arrest as soon as you take the money. All they care about are arrests, they'll let the court decide if the charge will stick. That way they know who you are for any further investigations. Plus they'll search you, go through your phone, and potentially use that against you. If you have any condoms on you, that's evidence too. Sure you can probably beat the charge if you take it to trial, but most will take a plea bargain, and Uncle LEO knows this. Even if you do take it to trial, and win, they now know your real name and can start a more thorough investigation.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Ho Hunter 328
02-06-14, 14:25
Hey Deb,
It is far simpler than that, just tell every new guy who stops by to fuck you that it is completely free, though you are selling your sexy panties for $100. If he does not want to buy it, then you simply change your mind. Now you are perfectly legal.
Make sure the conversation is recorded. But do not forget to turn it off while sucking his cock!
BH.You'll beat the sex for a fee charge (a misdemeanor), and confess to a felony charge in the process... MGL ch. 272, § 99. It's a felony in Mass to secretly record a conversation.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Uncle LEO would just make the arrest as soon as you take the money. All they care about are arrests, they'll let the court decide if the charge will stick. That way they know who you are for any further investigations. Plus they'll search you, go through your phone, and potentially use that against you. If you have any condoms on you, that's evidence too. Sure you can probably beat the charge if you take it to trial, but most will take a plea bargain, and Uncle LEO knows this. Even if you do take it to trial, and win, they now know your real name and can start a more thorough investigation.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.It makes no difference whether you win or loose. LEO WINS! They win even if the case is tossed out!
If they can get a conviction to stick, that's a bonus!! They have dragged your ass into court, publicly harassed and embarassed you by placing your name, address and picture in the paper.
Now that you won and found innocent where is the press to say that you were innocent? There won't be any!
Who won? LEO.
It makes no difference whether you win or loose. LEO WINS! They win even if the case is tossed out!
If they can get a conviction to stick, that's a bonus!! They have dragged your ass into court, publicly harassed and embarassed you by placing your name, address and picture in the paper.
Now that you won and found innocent where is the press to say that you were innocent? There won't be any!
Who won? LEO.It looks like LEO is making arrests as a result of citizen complaints, or competition. HH is right there really are no winners for mongers. You will have a criminal record and even if you plea to a continue without a finding it will still be on your record I believe. Just be careful.
Ho Hunter 328
02-17-14, 00:14
SUNBURY, Pa. -- A Pennsylvania woman charged along with her newlywed husband in the murder of a man they met through Craigslist admitted to the slaying in a jailhouse interview with a newspaper and said she has killed more than 20 others across the country, claims police said they are investigating.
In an interview with the Daily Item in Sunbury, Pa., 19-year-old Miranda Barbour said she wants to plead guilty to killing Troy LaFerrara in November. She also said in the interview that she has killed at least 22 other people from Alaska to North Carolina in the last six years as part of her involvement in a satanic cult.
"I feel it is time to get all of this out. I don't care if people believe me. I just want to get it out," Barbour told the newspaper for a story published Saturday night.
Sunbury police Chief Steve Mazzeo told the newspaper that investigators have been in contact with the FBI and law enforcement in several other states.
"From information we gathered and from information gathered from her interview we are seriously concerned and have been in contact with the proper authorities," Mazzeo said.
Lawyers for the couple did not immediately return messages from The Associated Press left at their offices Saturday night. An FBI spokesman referred questions to its Philly office, but an email message wasn't immediately returned.
Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against Barbour and her husband, 22-year-old Elytte Barbour. Authorities said Miranda Barbour, a petite woman with long brown hair, told investigators she met the 6-foot-2, 278-pound victim after he responded to her Craigslist ad offering companionship for money.
Police allege in court papers that Elytte Barbour told investigators they committed the crime because they wanted to kill someone together. The couple, who were married in North Carolina and moved to Pennsylvania about three weeks before the crime, told police Miranda Barbour stabbed LaFerrara in the front seat of her car while her husband held a cord around his neck.
She said in the interview that she doesn't want to get out of jail and that she would kill again if she were released.
Miranda Barbour offered little detail on the murders she claimed to have participated in in Alaska, Texas, North Carolina and California. She claims she joined a satanic cult in Alaska when she was 13 before moving to North Carolina. Online records for the woman that the newspaper identified as Barbour's mother show her as having lived in both Alaska and North Carolina.
She told the newspaper that she is ready to speak with police about her other alleged victims. “I can pinpoint on a map where you can find them,” she said.
Last week, a judge granted a lawyer's request to have a forensic psychiatrist evaluate Miranda Barbour. The judge earlier approved a psychiatrist to evaluate Elytte Barbour.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/craigslist-murder-suspect-says-she-killed-22-others/
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/craigslist-murder-suspect-says-she-killed-22-others/
Stay safe, and happy hunting.Jesus, the things we men take for risk...RIP to the victims.
Jesus, the things we men take for risk...RIP to the victims.I don't think women fare any better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_in_the_United_States
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/craigslist-murder-suspect-says-she-killed-22-others/Life is pretty cheap here on Tera Firma.
Ho Hunter 328
02-18-14, 21:44
I don't think women fare any better.I'm sure women fare much worse actually... But this is the first time I've heard of a woman using CL to lure men to kill them... Robbing, blackmailing, etc, happens quite often I'm sure.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Gianni Versace
02-18-14, 23:33
I'm sure women fare much worse actually... But this is the first time I've heard of a woman using CL to lure men to kill them... Robbing, blackmailing, etc, happens quite often I'm sure.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.Many many many years ago I met this cute blonde girl named Lisa, who often posted on CL. I met her at the old Holiday Inn which is now the Courtyard Marriott in Revere. I arranged for a meeting with her and got in her room. Within 8 min or so when we were in our session her phone rings and she tells me "hey I ordered food, do you mind if I get it" I'm thinking to myself sure why not! But boy was I wrong. She answered her phone and than a few min later the door in the hotel room knocks. Me not thinking it was anything but the food delivery guy at the door, boy was I wrong. It was a big black muscle guy. I shit you not I thought I was going to get my ass kicked. The black guy and Lisa went in to the bathroom. I had no idea what was going on so I just grabbed my clothes and ran out the door and thru the fire escape staircase as I wanted to get the fuck out of there. Anyways fellas point being is that you never know what will happen. Play safe and always use your gut instinct. Lots of crazies out there!
GV.
Many many many years ago I met this cute blonde girl named Lisa, who often posted on CL. I met her at the old Holiday Inn which is now the Courtyard Marriott in Revere. I arranged for a meeting with her and got in her room. Within 8 min or so when we were in our session her phone rings and she tells me "hey I ordered food, do you mind if I get it" I'm thinking to myself sure why not! But boy was I wrong. She answered her phone and than a few min later the door in the hotel room knocks. Me not thinking it was anything but the food delivery guy at the door, boy was I wrong. It was a big black muscle guy. I shit you not I thought I was going to get my ass kicked. The black guy and Lisa went in to the bathroom. I had no idea what was going on so I just grabbed my clothes and ran out the door and thru the fire escape staircase as I wanted to get the fuck out of there. Anyways fellas point being is that you never know what will happen. Play safe and always use your gut instinct. Lots of crazies out there!
GV.Drugs... . .
Ho Hunter 328
02-19-14, 21:20
Many many many years ago I met this cute blonde girl named Lisa, who often posted on CL. I met her at the old Holiday Inn which is now the Courtyard Marriott in Revere. I arranged for a meeting with her and got in her room. Within 8 min or so when we were in our session her phone rings and she tells me "hey I ordered food, do you mind if I get it" I'm thinking to myself sure why not! But boy was I wrong. She answered her phone and than a few min later the door in the hotel room knocks. Me not thinking it was anything but the food delivery guy at the door, boy was I wrong. It was a big black muscle guy. I shit you not I thought I was going to get my ass kicked. The black guy and Lisa went in to the bathroom. I had no idea what was going on so I just grabbed my clothes and ran out the door and thru the fire escape staircase as I wanted to get the fuck out of there. Anyways fellas point being is that you never know what will happen. Play safe and always use your gut instinct. Lots of crazies out there!
GV.Drug dealer, pimp, or both. Unlikely he would have bothered you, and he probably would have left in a minute anyway. If it was a setup to rob you, they wouldn't have gone in the bathroom, and would have just done it. Every girl I meet I assume is on drugs until proven otherwise (which is rare in my experience).
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Did She rip off a senior member?Wow senior LOL.
Link to the story in the local paper:
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140407/NEWS/140406931
Can't quite figure this one out, but was XXXXXXX the women I knew as 'XXXXXXX'?
Any insight?
Thanks.
I was getting ready to take a friend there to enjoy a cave room. Then she told me that there had been a fire.
http://www.salemnews.com/local/x1985486990/3-alarm-Middleton-motel-fire-displaces-60
Has anyone heard if the cave rooms are closed too? They're in the same complex, but I'm hoping that they were not damaged and are still open.
If I don't hear anything back here I'll call the place and find out.
NorthShore123
04-13-14, 23:08
I was getting ready to take a friend there to enjoy a cave room. Then she told me that there had been a fire.
http://www.salemnews.com/local/x1985486990/3-alarm-Middleton-motel-fire-displaces-60
Has anyone heard if the cave rooms are closed too? They're in the same complex, but I'm hoping that they were not damaged and are still open.
If I don't hear anything back here I'll call the place and find out.As of right now the entire motel is shut down.
Massage Palor Raid
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/chi-video-leads-city-to-settle-tanning-salon-raid-case-for-150000-20140908-story.html
What a bunch of pussies!. I know it has nothing to do with Massachusetts but still, wow man.
Massage Palor Raid
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/chi-video-leads-city-to-settle-tanning-salon-raid-case-for-150000-20140908-story.html
What a bunch of pussies!. I know it has nothing to do with Massachusetts but still, wow man.It was a smart move having the video tapes in another location or the cops would have taken it and no one would have beleived her.
It was a smart move having the video tapes in another location or the cops would have taken it and no one would have beleived her.I Agree. Did you notice that the guys being pulled from the back didn't utter a word?. Excellent and wise move on they're part. Don't say shit to the pigs!.
Only goes to show that LEO will go to the ultimate to expose and embarass people.
Beware!
http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/police-1000s-of-names-on-client-list-of-salem-womans-spa/20723532
From Boston.com.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/12/07/prostitution-sweep-nabs-johns-burlington/elYhcN89Y4MeanYXpZpzAM/story.html?p1=Topofpage:sub_headline_1
OreoCookie
12-07-14, 20:40
From Boston.com.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/12/07/prostitution-sweep-nabs-johns-burlington/elYhcN89Y4MeanYXpZpzAM/story.html?p1=Topofpage:sub_headline_1So LE puts the ads on CL or BP, then arrests the dudes when they show up?? And they have the nerve to hint at Human Trafficking in the article.
So LE puts the ads on CL or BP, then arrests the dudes when they show up?? And they have the nerve to hint at Human Trafficking in the article.Like the %56 year old woman is trafficked, LOL. And then the 54 year old with the alleged crime 1 million times worse.
So LE puts the ads on CL or BP, then arrests the dudes when they show up?? And they have the nerve to hint at Human Trafficking in the article.Entrapment is enticing someone into a committing a crime they otherwise would not have committed.
A sting is catching you committing a crime you clearly intended to commit.
Not that this hasn't been discussed thousands of times already on this forum, in every state and city, but it isn't entrapment for them to trick you or lie to you. They can do that, whenever they want.
Stay safe.
PinayLuver
12-09-14, 11:10
Entrapment is enticing someone into a committing a crime they otherwise would not have committed.
A sting is catching you committing a crime you clearly intended to commit.
Not that this hasn't been discussed thousands of times already on this forum, in every state and city, but it isn't entrapment for them to trick you or lie to you. They can do that, whenever they want.
Stay safe.I still believe that it is not a crime until money is exchanged. Up until that moment it is only a discussion.
That is why I will only pay after services are rendered. Believe me I have taken many a long drive and then have.
The woman refuse the intended encounter. I turn and leave and go onto the next one.
I still believe that it is not a crime until money is exchanged. Up until that moment it is only a discussion.
That is why I will only pay after services are rendered. Believe me I have taken many a long drive and then have.
The woman refuse the intended encounter. I turn and leave and go onto the next one.Believe what you want but LEO wins either way if they pop you. Guilty or not they will publicly embarass you with an arrest on an "alleged" charge that you will be required to defend yourself on. Your name will appear in the paper on the alleged charge but if you are cleared of any wrong doing you will nevr see that in print.
Be safe. Be wary. Be sure.
Ho Hunter 328
12-10-14, 03:15
I still believe that it is not a crime until money is exchanged. Up until that moment it is only a discussion.
That is why I will only pay after services are rendered. Believe me I have taken many a long drive and then have.
The woman refuse the intended encounter. I turn and leave and go onto the next one.You only need to agree to payment, actual exchange of money is irrelevant. Like SpermSac said, Uncle LEO doesn't care either way, even if nothing is discussed they'll bust you just for showing up. They got their arrest, that's all that matters to them. The truth is that the majority of sex for a fee cases get thrown out if you actually take it to trial, but most panic and take a plea bargain at arraignment. It doesn't help that most have a public pretender who encourages them to do so, because they don't want to waste their time going to trial.
The only way to avoid getting arrested is to not meet with Aunt LEO. Don't do incalls with girls without reviews, stick to outcalls they're safer.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
BROCKTON – Police arrested 16 people, including an 18-year-old woman, in a prostitution sting Thursday as part of a recent crackdown in the city.
Nine women and seven men were all charged with sexual conduct for a fee, Brockton police Lt. Kenneth LeGrice said.
Six of those arrested were from Brockton. The others were from Taunton, East Bridgewater, Randolph, Foxboro, Halifax, Milton, Hyannis, Somerset, Providence and Pawtucket, are. I.
The sting targeted both men and women, and undercover officers were used during the operation.
Male officers, working undercover, drove cars to target suspected prostitutes in undisclosed parts of the city. Female officers walked the streets until they were approached by men.
Police also used a city hotel where officers waited to make arrests once a crime had been committed, LeGrice said.
The locations of the sting and the name of the hotel were withheld by police because making that information public may affect future investigations, LeGrice said.
Before the sting, fake advertisements were placed online by police on a website called BackPage.com, a free website for classified ads similar to CraigsList.com.
The operation was part of Brockton Mayor Bill Carpenter's quality of life initiative in the city to crack down on drug dealing, prostitution and other street-level crimes.
It comes after another prostitution sting on Nov. 20, when six people were arrested and one man, who had his 1-year-old son in the car, was issued a summons to appear in court.
"On the heels of the sting that we just did a couple weeks ago, this is part of an ongoing commitment from the chief and myself to proactively go after street-level quality-of-life issues," Carpenter said. "It will discourage prostitution across the city because the customers that come from out of the city will realize that if they come to Brockton they will get arrested. That's part of the message we're trying to send is don't come here to Brockton for this stuff, don't come to Brockton. ".
Police are now investigating whether any of the women arrested could be involved in human trafficking, LeGrice said. Six of the women arrested were from outside Brockton, including two who were from out of state.
"We'll follow up to see if we have any concerns that human trafficking may be involved – individuals that are being forced into this lifestyle and not by their choice," LeGrice said.
"There can be signs. If a young girl is showing any signs of any injury or things like that, their demeanor in how they're dealing with people, if they're skittish or nervous. People in these situations can come across violence. How did they get there? How were they dropped off? Those sort of things," LeGrice said.
BROCKTON Police arrested 16 people, including an 18-year-old woman, in a prostitution sting Thursday as part of a recent crackdown in the city.
Nine women and seven men were all charged with sexual conduct for a fee, Brockton police Lt. Kenneth LeGrice said.
Six of those arrested were from Brockton. The others were from Taunton, East Bridgewater, Randolph, Foxboro, Halifax, Milton, Hyannis, Somerset, Providence and Pawtucket, are. I.
The sting targeted both men and women, and undercover officers were used during the operation.
Male officers, working undercover, drove cars to target suspected prostitutes in undisclosed parts of the city. Female officers walked the streets until they were approached by men.
Police also used a city hotel where officers waited to make arrests once a crime had been committed, LeGrice said.
The locations of the sting and the name of the hotel were withheld by police because making that information public may affect future investigations, LeGrice said.
Before the sting, fake advertisements were placed online by police on a website called BackPage.com, a free website for classified ads similar to CraigsList.com.
The operation was part of Brockton Mayor Bill Carpenter's quality of life initiative in the city to crack down on drug dealing, prostitution and other street-level crimes.
It comes after another prostitution sting on Nov. 20, when six people were arrested and one man, who had his 1-year-old son in the car, was issued a summons to appear in court.
"On the heels of the sting that we just did a couple weeks ago, this is part of an ongoing commitment from the chief and myself to proactively go after street-level quality-of-life issues," Carpenter said. "It will discourage prostitution across the city because the customers that come from out of the city will realize that if they come to Brockton they will get arrested. That's part of the message we're trying to send is don't come here to Brockton for this stuff, don't come to Brockton. ".
Police are now investigating whether any of the women arrested could be involved in human trafficking, LeGrice said. Six of the women arrested were from outside Brockton, including two who were from out of state.
"We'll follow up to see if we have any concerns that human trafficking may be involved individuals that are being forced into this lifestyle and not by their choice," LeGrice said.
"There can be signs. If a young girl is showing any signs of any injury or things like that, their demeanor in how they're dealing with people, if they're skittish or nervous. People in these situations can come across violence. How did they get there? How were they dropped off? Those sort of things," LeGrice said.Anyone who read the article see the names and picture of each person arrested. Guilty or not you will NEVER see or hear if they were found INNOCENT.
LittleRed1
03-09-15, 20:50
Merrimac Police Arrest Husband and Wife Who Allegedly Ran Prostitution Ring from Their House.
http://jgpr.net/2015/03/09/merrimac-police-arrest-husband-and-wife-who-allegedly-ran-prostitution-ring-from-their-house/
http://www.vice.com/read/this-tech-startup-is-helping-the-cops-track-sex-workers-online-417
I looked, big words, easy to beat. Use a VPN every time you post. They can't just have your pics, you can say "I have no idea who posted them, I didn't do it." If they can't tie the posts to you personally there's nothing they can do. Sounds like a honey trap, using buzz words, to attract capital to build something you can do with Goggle Image Search.
Just saying,
A2
"Sex trafficking will end only when men stop buying sex".
This will never ever happen till payment for sex is legalized, & I do not believe legalization will happen here in the USA, with Nevada the current exception.
Legalization is the only logical long term solution to sex trafficking, just as legalization of alcohol was to prohibition.
People will never stop paying for what they want no matter how many laws are made & what the punishment or ramification are, it's like shoveling shit against the tide.
I know I may take shit for this but human & sex trafficking happen every day all over the world including here in the USA.
The other deterrent is the billions of dollars involved, from over inflated LE budgets, which the taxpayers pay for to every other low life parasite trying live off what others generate.
Want to stop it, legalize it, & while it won't totally stop it will reduce trafficking significantly.
As for the exploitation of minors & forcing sex work against a persons will, well public execution with a bullet to the back of the head may work.
There will be & are opposing views & I'm no expert, just my 2¢ on how I see things.
http://www.vice.com/read/this-tech-startup-is-helping-the-cops-track-sex-workers-online-417
I looked, big words, easy to beat. Use a VPN every time you post. They can't just have your pics, you can say "I have no idea who posted them, I didn't do it." If they can't tie the posts to you personally there's nothing they can do. Sounds like a honey trap, using buzz words, to attract capital to build something you can do with Goggle Image Search.
Just saying,
A2
Speeding Ticke
04-22-15, 01:16
BIG Data is a big buzz kill. We all do this on a small scale when researching you next meet. These guys just commit the data to an everlasting searchable database.
In light of the fact that the TOR browser has now been shown as traceable, that SSL tunnels for major banks and other websites have been flawed for years you have to realize that privacy is a facade.
The data collection points are hard to identify and more numerous everyday. I think the usefulness of the product for LE is that it creates a compelling trail for a judge or jury to follow linking you to a crime.
These guys in the article can track, pictures, tattoos, phone numbers, web-site hits, email addresses, location data based on any of several sources, certain phrases, computer profiles, time of use, IP addresses used, and more.
Then they can combine it with government access to Cell phone data, police records, public records, GPS tracking, image location data, facial recognition, EZPass logs, On-Star GPS, credit card use.
Who knows how many databases like p411 and T-E-are, USAG they have already compromised.
Big Brother is able to get your entire email file from most ISP's if they want it. All the fully encrypted anonymous email servers are off-shore and the claims of "fully encrypted" are impossible to verify.
Being off the grid is damn near impossible. They already know who you are or at the very least they know your habits.
http://www.vice.com/read/this-tech-startup-is-helping-the-cops-track-sex-workers-online-417
I looked, big words, easy to beat. Use a VPN every time you post. They can't just have your pics, you can say "I have no idea who posted them, I didn't do it." If they can't tie the posts to you personally there's nothing they can do. Sounds like a honey trap, using buzz words, to attract capital to build something you can do with Goggle Image Search.
Just saying,
A2
Those brothels in Nevada, wow, they charge a lot! And the ladies aren't able to go indie. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a brothel and give up a cut of my money. Anyway the newest article about the lawsuit in California. It's worth a shot for them. Who knew that legalization of marijuana and gay marriage was possible. So maybe we are on the way to see prostitution decriminalized. At least someone in California is trying to do something about changing the laws for consensual adults activities. Here's a toast for sex! Everything that has to do with sex should be decriminalized by now if it's between consensual adults! http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/california-sex-workers-bill-decriminalization/.
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/36632/20150209/legal-prostitution-italy-officials-considering-designating-red-light-district-prostitutes.htm
Big Data is nothing more than a realization of George Orwell's book 1984 omnipresent government surveillance (run by greedy corporations) and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (or Ingsoc in the government's invented language, Newspeak) under the control of a privileged Inner Party elite, that persecutes individualism and independent thinking as "thoughtcrimes. Big Brother is watching us all!!
BIG Data is a big buzz kill. We all do this on a small scale when researching you next meet. These guys just commit the data to an everlasting searchable database.
In light of the fact that the TOR browser has now been shown as traceable, that SSL tunnels for major banks and other websites have been flawed for years you have to realize that privacy is a facade.
The data collection points are hard to identify and more numerous everyday. I think the usefulness of the product for LE is that it creates a compelling trail for a judge or jury to follow linking you to a crime.
These guys in the article can track, pictures, tattoos, phone numbers, web-site hits, email addresses, location data based on any of several sources, certain phrases, computer profiles, time of use, IP addresses used, and more.
Then they can combine it with government access to Cell phone data, police records, public records, GPS tracking, image location data, facial recognition, EZPass logs, On-Star GPS, credit card use.
Who knows how many databases like p411 and T-E-are, USAG they have already compromised.
Big Brother is able to get your entire email file from most ISP's if they want it. All the fully encrypted anonymous email servers are off-shore and the claims of "fully encrypted" are impossible to verify.
Being off the grid is damn near impossible. They already know who you are or at the very least they know your habits.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29099361/2-arrested-for-alleged-prostitution-scheme
About the alleged escort who robbed clients with her pimp / accomplice. What is conspiracy? Why not charge her for robbery? And why did the pimp get an attempted murder charge? It didn't say he tried to kill anyone. Maybe he did? I'm glad that the mongers turned these two in and that they are off of backpage and in jail. Funny how the young woman looks like she's about to cry. I certainly don't feel sorry for her! They are probably both drug addicts.
About the alleged escort who robbed clients with her pimp / accomplice. What is conspiracy? Why not charge her for robbery? And why did the pimp get an attempted murder charge? It didn't say he tried to kill anyone. Maybe he did? I'm glad that the mongers turned these two in and that they are off of backpage and in jail. Funny how the young woman looks like she's about to cry. I certainly don't feel sorry for her! They are probably both drug addicts.Deb, the conspiracy was the two of them conspiring to rob the johns. Attempted murder was for trying to hit the guy with his car. That is attempted murder since he culd have easily killed him with the car.
Member #5013
05-23-15, 07:17
A lady running in ad on BP was busted by an undercover officer. This occurred on the north shore. The report states he saw the ad for the lady advertising on his city. Simple as that. This is more evidence that LE has the time and resources to weed out and find these ladies and certainly join this site and start asking questions.
BB.
LordOfThEeyes
05-24-15, 06:02
A lady running in ad on BP was busted by an undercover officer. This occurred on the north shore. The report states he saw the ad for the lady advertising on his city. Simple as that. This is more evidence that LE has the time and resources to weed out and find these ladies and certainly join this site and start asking questions.
BB.Makes sense why not many providers are in the northshore. Now everyone should be on the look out cause there prolly setting up sting operations as we speak. Got to make the quota some how ya know. Danm LEO.
LordOfThEeyes
05-24-15, 13:36
http://www.escortbusts.com/busts-in-boston/
When I Google number this always pops up. Is this a big bogus site or is it actually real?
That's the only article I could find. She asked him if he was a cop, he said no. She asked him to touch her breasts and he did so. And then they arrested her. She was an honor student from Marblehead. And in her early 20's. They contacted her from backpage.
Energizerbunne
05-24-15, 14:46
I came close to visiting with her!
Posted: Thursday, May 21,2015 9:45 pm.
BY JULIE MANGANIS STAFF WRITER.
SALEM — A Salem woman is facing a prostitution charge after police found her ad for sexual services on a website notorious for advertising such illicit activity.
{name redacted}, 23, of xxx Washington St. , pleaded not guilty Thursday to the charge. She was released on the $500 bail she had posted shortly after her arrest Wednesday.
Salem police detectives spotted the ad on Backpage under the heading "escort services. ".
"Come teach me the games an older woman knows," the ad said. It described Harvey as "cute and petite. ".
Detective Thomas Brennan called the number in the ad and arranged for a date.
When Brennan arrived at the apartment, Harvey asked if he was a cop. After he told her "no," Harvey asked Brennan to touch her chest. She then negotiated a half-hour of sexual activity for $120, which the detective paid to her.
Other officers listening in then showed up and arrested Harvey, a former honors student from Marblehead.
Courts reporter Julie Manganis can be reached at 978-338-2521, via email at jmanganis@salemnews.com or on Twitter at SNJulieManganis.
Makes sense why not many providers are in the northshore. Now everyone should be on the look out cause there prolly setting up sting operations as we speak. Got to make the quota some how ya know. Danm LEO.
DEA Workers Accused Of Running A Strip Club With Illegal Dancers, Prostitution.
I came close to visiting with her!Dammit. I was looking at her too LOL.
This is her ad, it may be pulled already.
Posted: Wednesday, May 20,2015 1:40 PM.
Jen -new to this new to area Salem - 20.
I'm really cute and petite so come teach me the games an older woman knows!! 978 seven28 2106 Temporarily doing outcalls.
Poster's age: 20.
• Location: North Shore, Salem.
• Post I'd: 29675574 boston.
Member #5013
05-24-15, 21:17
That's the only article I could find. She asked him if he was a cop, he said no. She asked him to touch her breasts and he did so. And then they arrested her. She was an honor student from Marblehead. And in her early 20's. They contacted her from backpage.That's it.
The "cop check" and asking if he's a cop is ridiculous. Doesn't work if they want to arrest you.
BB.
Member #5624
05-24-15, 21:43
That's it.
The "cop check" and asking if he's a cop is ridiculous. Doesn't work if they want to arrest you.
BB.Agreed. "Reviews" (from trusted friends) / WIN / big time over some clueless "LE check" (between random folks). Hands down. Any day of the week. Until the cows come home. Until you milk them. You get the idea. Watch the song video.
Theme song for this post: Atom Heart Mother (the album cover features a cow).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyRJzdKUho0
LordOfThEeyes
05-26-15, 22:07
I came close to visiting with her!
Posted: Thursday, May 21,2015 9:45 pm.
BY JULIE MANGANIS STAFF WRITER.
SALEM A Salem woman is facing a prostitution charge after police found her ad for sexual services on a website notorious for advertising such illicit activity.
{name redacted}, 23, of xxx Washington St. , pleaded not guilty Thursday to the charge. She was released on the $500 bail she had posted shortly after her arrest Wednesday.
Salem police detectives spotted the ad on Backpage under the heading "escort services. ".
"Come teach me the games an older woman knows," the ad said. It described Harvey as "cute and petite. ".
Detective Thomas Brennan called the number in the ad and arranged for a date.
When Brennan arrived at the apartment, Harvey asked if he was a cop. After he told her "no," Harvey asked Brennan to touch her chest. She then negotiated a half-hour of sexual activity for $120, which the detective paid to her.
Other officers listening in then showed up and arrested Harvey, a former honors student from Marblehead.
Courts reporter Julie Manganis can be reached at 978-338-2521, via email at jmanganis@salemnews.com or on Twitter at SNJulieManganis.The police don't give a shit about there well being. They blast her name all of the news like the scarlet letter. They destroy her to make an example of her. Just utter bullshit. A women should be able to do what she wants with her body. No I understand if it's human trafficking and pimps and shit. But this is garbage.
The police don't give a shit about there well being. They blast her name all of the news like the scarlet letter. They destroy her to make an example of her. Just utter bullshit. A women should be able to do what she wants with her body. No I understand if it's human trafficking and pimps and shit. But this is garbage.By doing that they also significantly increased chances of a woman becoming a real criminal just because she'd have few other options now that her name is ruined. Why people wonder about reasons for prison overcrowding is beyond me. If society constantly searches for the ways to create criminals it will inevitably create them.
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but sometimes I really feel like its doing it on purpose as one of the ways to cut down on unemployment. After all prisons employ a lot of people too.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29350808/10-face-arraignment-after-illegal-activity-at-3-massage-parlors
Short Stroke
06-19-15, 11:26
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29350808/10-face-arraignment-after-illegal-activity-at-3-massage-parlorsIf you keep your eyes open you will see them pop up in a new town that has no by laws or is ripe for the setting until it gets over worked with clients.
Coming to a town near you.
GoSailor41
06-19-15, 11:37
If you keep your eyes open you will see them pop up in a new town that has no by laws or is ripe for the setting until it gets over worked with clients.
Coming to a town near you.God this sucks. Plymouth was near me. Oh well, good times can't last forever.
That's it.
The "cop check" and asking if he's a cop is ridiculous. Doesn't work if they want to arrest you.
BB.A cop can lie about anything while undercover to protect his or her identity.
1. Why did they keep ledgers of sexual activities?
2. Why did they have $51,000 cash on the premises? Do they want to get robbed? And if they did what could they do about it considering the business is illegal and they wouldn't want the cops to focus on their salon. Cops might wonder why they have $51,000 in cash. Couldn't they just pay for a safety deposit box?
3. Were the women really human trafficking victims?
4. Why conduct business where nosy neighbors would be easily able to notice activity (men coming and going from the salon)?
1. Why did they keep ledgers of sexual activities?
2. Why did they have $51,000 cash on the premises? Do they want to get robbed? And if they did what could they do about it considering the business is illegal and they wouldn't want the cops to focus on their salon. Cops might wonder why they have $51,000 in cash. Couldn't they just pay for a safety deposit box?
3. Were the women really human trafficking victims?
4. Why conduct business where nosy neighbors would be easily able to notice activity (men coming and going from the salon)?1. Most likely they are so new to this that they kept a book with all the girls names and listed each with what they did and for how much. Bookkeeping sort of.
2. Who knows?
3. Unless one of the girls said that she was forced to do this and was in fear for her life. ?
4. Nosey neighbors are everywhere.
TurnOverHoney
06-20-15, 02:00
God this sucks. Plymouth was near me. Oh well, good times can't last forever.They probably won't get charged, haha.
Short Stroke
06-20-15, 09:53
1. Why did they keep ledgers of sexual activities?
2. Why did they have $51,000 cash on the premises? Do they want to get robbed? And if they did what could they do about it considering the business is illegal and they wouldn't want the cops to focus on their salon. Cops might wonder why they have $51,000 in cash. Couldn't they just pay for a safety deposit box?
3. Were the women really human trafficking victims?
4. Why conduct business where nosy neighbors would be easily able to notice activity (men coming and going from the salon)?A. Ledgers may have been kept to reflect or portray a legitimate biz (ya never know).
Be. $51,000 came from the (3) spas not just one and it is not clear if all 3 are owned by the same person. (busy places).
Anyone who has dealt with Chinese know that many of them are a cash and carry style people.
See. I question if human trafficking actually took place and having visited one of them busted in the past I question that claim.
The. 2 spas were located on the business strip Samosett St with rear lot entry and Elysium is the only one located in a residential setting with open parking.
Ho Hunter 328
06-21-15, 04:45
3. Were the women really human trafficking victims?
From a legal perspective, the MA law on human trafficking specifically states that it doesn't matter if the women were working willingly or not, it's still considered human trafficking.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Boston Herald has an article today that is discussing closing the loophole that allows storefronts promoting bodywork not to fall under state licensure regulation. Unsurprisingly, human trafficking is cited. Do not be shocked if our illustrious legislature takes this up thus closing the source of happiness for many of us.
So, I was scanning through the news earlier this afternoon and I come across this article from Alabama. It seems this former prostitute thinks men that pay prostitutes for sex need to be charged with a felony and register as a sex offender. She also had state rep right beside her. It was mentioned that we needed "monger classes so we can be taught we're part of the problem. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. So the problem is the guys picking the girls up, not the girls who are hoofed up on crack or whatever drug the SW'ers are on. I fail to see how these girls are victimized, either.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/06/post_255.html
Ho Hunter 328
06-28-15, 19:14
So, I was scanning through the news earlier this afternoon and I come across this article from Alabama. It seems this former prostitute thinks men that pay prostitutes for sex need to be charged with a felony and register as a sex offender. She also had state rep right beside her. It was mentioned that we needed "monger classes so we can be taught we're part of the problem. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. So the problem is the guys picking the girls up, not the girls who are hoofed up on crack or whatever drug the SW'ers are on. I fail to see how these girls are victimized, either.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/06/post_255.htmlIt works the other way around too. Women prey on the desperation of poor lonely men, and take their hard earned money. They all use sex to get what they want. At least prostitutes are honest about it. There is no more honest relationship than that of a prostitute and her client.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
It works the other way around too. Women prey on the desperation of poor lonely men, and take their hard earned money. They all use sex to get what they want. At least prostitutes are honest about it. There is no more honest relationship than that of a prostitute and her client.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.I agree. I also think that she knew what was expected of her to say and just said it. I doubt in her heart she actually believes what she says. I know drugatics would be trying to cater to their "captors" in any way they want and would say all the things captors expect them to say in anticipation of getting themselves a more favorable treatment.
LordOfThEeyes
06-30-15, 00:37
There is chatter that stings are going on all up rt one in Saugus and. Surrounding. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. It could be nothong but it doesn't hurt to mention. A person put out a warning on CL.
AmpExplorer
07-07-15, 19:08
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/06/man-charged-connection-with-murder-woman-inside-extended-stay-america-burlington/FtcfErggw23h5rlDPi3MRI/story.html
Recent news of these 2 animals murdering working lady and robbing another to take their $. It is a sad story. I also could imagine any extreme fear / anxiety any hobbyists that may have visited these ladies from any forensic evidence from camera / cell records that may have been needed if the investigation needs to continue.
Also read recently MasterCard / visa will no longer be able to charge for costs of advertising in BP.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/hackers-threaten-leak-ashley-madisons-37-million-clients-083855459--sector.html
Well, looks like the burgeoning AMP places in The Ham has elevated to the level of them doing something about it.
So, enjoy FBW, Pink, 82 Concord, all the Union St places, 1154, and more while you can.
Link http://framingham.wickedlocal.com/article/20150722/NEWS/150728481.
Organizations.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails
Ho Hunter 328
07-27-15, 15:50
Organizations.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-failsIt's all in how you define "human trafficking". In MA for example, the laws says that even if the girl is over 18, and doing it willingly, it's still considered "human trafficking". Apparently adults are incapable of making choices in life, they need the government to decide what's best for them.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
LittleRed1
07-27-15, 18:01
It's all in how you define "human trafficking". In MA for example, the laws says that even if the girl is over 18, and doing it willingly, it's still considered "human trafficking". Apparently adults are incapable of making choices in life, they need the government to decide what's best for them.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
That's MA for ya.
It's all in how you define "human trafficking". In MA for example, the laws says that even if the girl is over 18, and doing it willingly, it's still considered "human trafficking".Ho: Can you show where your statement is law in Mass, as I can't not find it.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2011
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2011/Chapter178
https://malegislature.gov/bills/187/house/h3808
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter272/section8
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter272/section53a
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter265/section50
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter265/section51
Well, looks like the burgeoning AMP places in The Ham has elevated to the level of them doing something about it.
So, enjoy FBW, Pink, 82 Concord, all the Union St places, 1154, and more while you can.
Link http://framingham.wickedlocal.com/article/20150722/NEWS/150728481.Read this article and laughed about Moore and Housman being shocked. They must live in a closet!
Ho Hunter 328
07-27-15, 21:54
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29644937/man-killed-by-escort-was-likely-a-serial-killer-police-say?utm_campaign=Socialflow+Facebook&utm_source=socialflow&utm_medium=Faceboook.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Ho Hunter 328
07-27-15, 22:40
Ho: Can you show where your statement is law in Mass, as I can't not find it.
Section 50. (a) Whoever knowingly: (i) subjects, or attempts to subject, or recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides or obtains by any means, or attempts to recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide or obtain by any means, another person to engage in commercial sexual activity, a sexually-explicit performance or the production of unlawful pornography in violation of chapter 272, or causes a person to engage in commercial sexual activity, a sexually-explicit performance or the production of unlawful pornography in violation of said chapter 272; or (ii) benefits, financially or by receiving anything of value, as a result of a violation of clause (i), shall be guilty of the crime of trafficking of persons for sexual servitude and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not less than 5 years but not more than 20 years and by a fine of not more than $25,000. Such sentence shall not be reduced to less than 5 years, or suspended, nor shall any person convicted under this section be eligible for probation, parole, work release or furlough or receive any deduction from his sentence for good conduct until he shall have served 5 years of such sentence. No prosecution commenced under this section shall be continued without a finding or placed on file. https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section50
Notice that there is no requirement of force or threats for the charge. It only requires that someone recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides or obtains by any means, someone for commercial sex work. There was a news article on it back when the law was first passed, but I can't seem to locate it now.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section50
Notice that there is no requirement of force or threats for the charge. It only requires that someone recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides or obtains by any means, someone for commercial sex work. There was a news article on it back when the law was first passed, but I can't seem to locate it now.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.Notice that is pertaining to commercial sex work or the production of unlawful pornography in violation of chapter 272, not a girl over 18 willing promoting herself as a sex worker, there are other laws against her for that, but charges of human or sex trafficking would not apply, the status quo may try but they would be thrown out in court.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section50
Note your OP did not state that someone recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides or obtains by any means, someone for commercial sex work.
Still haven't seen where in Mass law it states that if the girl is over 18, and doing it willingly, it's considered human or sex trafficking as your statement claims.
Ho Hunter 328
07-28-15, 11:51
Notice that is pertaining to commercial sex work or the production of unlawful pornography in violation of chapter 272, not a girl over 18 willing promoting herself as a sex worker, there are other laws against her for that, but charges of human or sex trafficking would not apply, the status quo may try but they would be thrown out in court.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter272
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section50
Note your OP did not state that someone recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides or obtains by any means, someone for commercial sex work.
Still haven't seen where in Mass law it states that if the girl is over 18, and doing it willingly, it's considered human or sex trafficking as your statement claims.Obviously human trafficking requires involvement of a third party, and would not apply to completely independent providers who are working on their own, and promoting themselves. It would apply for an agency representing a girl who is willingly working with them though, or even a girl willingly working with a booking agent.
To clarify my statement; a girl willingly working with an agency is still considered a victim of human trafficking under MA law, and the agency would be guilty of human trafficking.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter265/section50
Section 50. (a) Whoever knowingly ... obtains by any means ... another person to engage in commercial sexual activity ... shall be guilty of the crime of trafficking of persons for sexual servitude ... .
As customers, are we traffickers too?
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/29644937/man-killed-by-escort-was-likely-a-serial-killer-police-say?utm_campaign=Socialflow+Facebook&utm_source=socialflow&utm_medium=Faceboook.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.There used to be a petite brunette here named Mandy that went to Vegas. She advertised there for quite a while and then after some desperate text stopped texting me and stopped advertising too. Since then she disappeared. I read that this guy killed several women in Vegas, and I think she did look like the type he would go after. Unlikely but it does make me wonder.
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter265/section50
Section 50. (a) Whoever knowingly ... obtains by any means ... another person to engage in commercial sexual activity ... shall be guilty of the crime of trafficking of persons for sexual servitude ... .
As customers, are we traffickers too?Seems to me that a provider who advertises is "obtaining" US.
If WE ran ads looking for a provider, then arguably we might be doing the obtaining, instead.
--J.
To clarify my statement; a girl willingly working with an agency is still considered a victim of human trafficking under MA law, and the agency would be guilty of human trafficking.Thank you & though I agree, it would still require the prosecutor to prove guilt of human & sex trafficking & so far that has not been done often.
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter265/section50
Section 50. (a) Whoever knowingly ... obtains by any means ... another person to engage in commercial sexual activity ... shall be guilty of the crime of trafficking of persons for sexual servitude ... .As customers, are we traffickers too?It's a good question Oldmonger & one I hope none of us have to find out in a court of law.
However the chapter & section that is linked is pertaining to commercial sex work & or benefits financially or by receiving anything of value from human or sex trafficking.
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter265/section51
I believe that this section pertains to johns & customers.
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter272/section53a
Seems to me that a provider who advertises is "obtaining" US.
If WE ran ads looking for a provider, then arguably we might be doing the obtaining, instead.
--J.I'm not qualified to comment on your post. Let's hope that none of us ever has to defend ourselves from trafficking charges.
OM.
It's a good question Oldmonger & one I hope none of us have to find out in a court of law.
However the chapter & section that is linked is pertaining to commercial sex work & or benefits financially or by receiving anything of value from human or sex trafficking.
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter265/section51
I believe that this section pertains to johns & customers.
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter272/section53aThe Commonwealth has cast a wide net to charge business owners and employees with trafficking. It doesn't take much involvement to be charged with trafficking. None of this seems right if the providers perform willingly.
Some foreign prostitutes have used the US trafficking laws to avoid prosecution. When arrested, they claim they were trafficked. Immediately, the women go from being criminals to victims. Agencies rush to provide them with needed services, and they can't believe how well they gamed the system.
Stay safe,
OM.
The Commonwealth has cast a wide net to charge business owners and employees with trafficking. It doesn't take much involvement to be charged with trafficking. None of this seems right if the providers perform willingly.
Some foreign prostitutes have used the US trafficking laws to avoid prosecution. When arrested, they claim they were trafficked. Immediately, the women go from being criminals to victims. Agencies rush to provide them with needed services, and they can't believe how well they gamed the system.
Stay safe,
OM.Amen! 've seen it, 've done that! LOL.
Except: the magazine is harmful to children, is pornographic, promotes objectification of women and also promotes violence towards women. What do you guys think? Post here or pm me.
https://www.yahoo.com/style/too-racy-retailers-to-put-blinders-on-125428523539.html
Except: the magazine is harmful to children, is pornographic, promotes objectification of women and also promotes violence towards women. What do you guys think? Post here or pm me.
https://www.yahoo.com/style/too-racy-retailers-to-put-blinders-on-125428523539.htmlUncovered women's faces are also obscene! What if she winks?! What if she rolls up those bedroom eyes or puckers her lips?! Wouldn't that too be corrupting children and promoting objectification and violence towards women?
I think it's time to introduce berqas. To me that seems like a natural logical progression, and it would also cover all bases.
Last spring, the USA Supreme Court ruled officers need a search warrant to see what's on your phone, unless you consent to a search.
Except: the magazine is harmful to children, is pornographic, promotes objectification of women and also promotes violence towards women. What do you guys think? Post here or pm me.
https://www.yahoo.com/style/too-racy-retailers-to-put-blinders-on-125428523539.html
Uncovered women's faces are also obscene! What if she winks?! What if she rolls up those bedroom eyes or puckers her lips?! Wouldn't that too be corrupting children and promoting objectification and violence towards women?
I think it's time to introduce berqas. To me that seems like a natural logical progression, and it would also cover all bases.Correction: it's not only time to go to berqas but to berqas with dark glasses. What if she winks at somebody? That too may promote violence and corrupt children.
Carefull out there.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/30068753/chelsea-police-arrest-15-during-operation-deflate-date?utm_campaign=Socialflow+Facebook&utm_source=socialflow&utm_medium=Faceboook.
Carefull out there.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/30068753/chelsea-police-arrest-15-during-operation-deflate-date?utm_campaign=Socialflow+Facebook&utm_source=socialflow&utm_medium=Faceboook.Come again?
Come again?Headline reads:
Chelsea police arrest 15 during operation "Deflate Date"
Boston.com has an article stating that the Burlington Police Department will be conducting stings over the next few months. It's mentioned using online sites and hotels to focus on sex trafficking. This happened last year as well so be careful.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/30428003/tonight-at-10pm-fox25-investigates-undercover-prostitution-stings
Beware!
BeRightBack
11-05-15, 14:32
Watertown bust at Herbal Massage. 195 Mt Auburn St. Didn't even know the place was there.
Watertown bust at Herbal Massage. 195 Mt Auburn St. Didn't even know the place was there.Herbal MAssage? Are you sure it wasn't DEA?
Member #5013
11-06-15, 10:09
Watertown bust at Herbal Massage. 195 Mt Auburn St. Didn't even know the place was there.I thought the building was sold. Do you have a link to the article?
BB.
Short Stroke
11-06-15, 10:57
Watertown bust at Herbal Massage. 195 Mt Auburn St. Didn't even know the place was there.Place was always somewhat off the radar and provided some good service. Little if any advertising.
Hope Mamasan opens up in another location soon.
Place was always somewhat off the radar and provided some good service. Little if any advertising.
Hope Mamasan opens up in another location soon.Was this in the paper? This was a great hidden gem. With excellent service and a great menu. I reviewed it once and got a dozen pms telling me to never review. It was a favorite of a few people I know.
I thought the building was sold. Do you have a link to the article?
BB.http://watertownpd.org/2015/11/sting-operation-at-herbal-massage-195-mount-auburn-street/
http://watertownpd.org/2015/11/sting-operation-at-herbal-massage-195-mount-auburn-street/She wore a dr 's white coat she was smoking hot. Only gave HE if she trusted you, gave excellent massage too. But once I dropped my wallet and could not find it, girls said it was not there. I went back out to car, was not there so went back in and raised a stink, and suddenly they found it, so I never went back. Cannot tolerate thiefs.
Short Stroke
11-08-15, 11:31
Was this in the paper? This was a great hidden gem. With excellent service and a great menu. I reviewed it once and got a dozen pms telling me to never review. It was a favorite of a few people I know.Mamasan always requested of me "no online reviews please". I can't believe anyone would complain about the service and from the article LEO created a sting operation which probably was a setup. We all know LEO tells the truth. BS.
See Cup you actually go into an AMP with your wallet? Cash in pocket no I'd has always been the best way to travel in.
See Cup you actually go into an AMP with your wallet? Cash in pocket no I'd has always been the best way to travel in.Yea, I too always leave wallet in the car and park the car around the corner too, out of their sight. Even if I go to a hotel
http://watertownpd.org/2015/11/sting-operation-at-herbal-massage-195-mount-auburn-street/"The Watertown police department would like to thank the public for their help in keeping our community safe. ?
Well gentlemen, you can now feel free to roam the streets of Watertown without the fear of being accosted by a 90 lb. Asian woman.
http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20151118/NEWS/151115667
Found it on the other site. http://video.backpage.com/1-e397d7ceb32265fb335efe2630ea822d.MOV.mp4.
She's a riot. I wonder where he's got it from. Tried Boston backpage but couldn't find her there.
Member #5013
11-22-15, 23:14
I just caught the news with 10 guys pics on the tv busted in a backpage add sting. Happy Thanksgiving. Be careful out there.
BB.
I just caught the news with 10 guys pics on the tv busted in a backpage add sting. Happy Thanksgiving. Be careful out there.
BB.That SS is piece of work. Happy they got someone like that.
Popo if you're listening, get the pimps, leave the johns alone.
http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20151118/NEWS/151115667That's so fucked. He just casually told the 16 yo that he killed a girl the night before. The 19 yo he killed was a mom and pretty hot too.
Fuhgetaboudit
11-28-15, 22:14
This news link is an interesting twist on post-massage activities with a provider. Woman has not yet had a hearing so we do not know what will be the resolution. We sometimes see the ads where someone includes wording to the affect of: all activity is between consensual adults.
Stating a free fun defense, you got to love it!
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/ZZ/20151120/NEWS/311209957/0/SEARCH
PlayItAgain
12-05-15, 18:07
http://www.economist.com/node/21611074?cid1=d/dsp/Telegraph/dyn/21611074/20151001-00:00am/paid/display-BB/BR-LC/BRPII/n/subs/US/BR-MIT
FOR those seeking commercial sex in Berlin, Peppr, a new app, makes life easy. Type in a location and up pops a list of the nearest prostitutes, along with pictures, prices and physical particulars. Results can be filtered, and users can arrange a session for a €5-10 ($6. 50-13) booking fee. It plans to expand to more cities.
Peppr can operate openly since prostitution, and the advertising of prostitution, are both legal in Germany. But even where they are not, the internet is transforming the sex trade. Prostitutes and punters have always struggled to find each other, and to find out what they want to know before pairing off. Phone-box "tart cards" for blonde bombshells and leggy señoritas could only catch so many eyes. Customers knew little about the nature and quality of the services on offer. Personal recommendations, though helpful, were awkward to come by. Sex workers did not know what risks they were taking on with clients.
Now specialist websites and apps are allowing information to flow between buyer and seller, making it easier to strike mutually satisfactory deals. The sex trade is becoming easier to enter and safer to work in: prostitutes can warn each other about violent clients, and do background and health checks before taking a booking. Personal web pages allow them to advertise and arrange meetings online; their clients' feedback on review sites helps others to proceed with confidence.
Even in places such as America, where prostitution and its facilitation are illegal everywhere except Nevada, the marketing and arrangement of commercial sex is moving online. To get round the laws, web servers are placed abroad; site-owners and users hide behind pseudonyms; and prominently placed legalese frames the purpose of sites as "entertainment" and their content as "fiction".
The shift online is casting light on parts of the sex industry that have long lurked in the shadows. Streetwalkers have always attracted the lion's share of attention from policymakers and researchers because they ply their trade in public places. They are more bothersome for everyone else—and, because they are the most vulnerable, more likely to come to the attention of the police and of social or health workers. But in many rich countries they are a minority of all sex workers; just 10-20% in America, estimates Ronald Weitzer, a sociologist at George Washington University.
The wealth of data available online means it is now possible to analyse this larger and less examined part of the commercial-sex market: prostitution that happens indoors. It turns out to be surprisingly similar to other service industries. Prostitutes' personal characteristics and the services they offer influence the prices they charge; niche services attract a premium; and the internet is making it easier to work flexible hours and to forgo a middleman.
Websites such as AdultWork allow prostitutes, both those working independently and those who work through agencies and brothels, to create profiles through which customers can contact them. They can upload detailed information about themselves, the range of services they provide, and the rates they charge. Clients can browse by age, bust or dress size, ethnicity, sexual orientation or location.
Other websites garner information from clients, who upload reviews of the prostitutes they have visited with details of the services offered, prices paid and descriptions of the encounters. On PunterNet, a British site, clients describe the premises, the encounter and the sex worker, and choose whether to recommend her. Such write-ups have enabled her to build a personal brand, says one English escort, Michelle (like many names in this article, a pseudonym), and to attract the clients most likely to appreciate what she offers.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/12/04/revere-woman-chelsea-man-charged-prostitution-case/JtsOyPFkxUTs5UMhIZkdDP/story.html
LordOfThEeyes
12-06-15, 16:33
http://www.whdh.com/story/30679082/6-people-arrested-after-police-raid-peabody-home
These girls posted on backpage often. Stay safe my friends.
Member #5624
12-06-15, 20:17
A grim reminder of the risks of going to an incall at a trap house. My rule of thumb, which has served me well so far, is to never go to an incall where more than one person has ever been reported to be hanging around or receiving guests, whether male or female. For this reason I also tend to avoid menage a trois, although I have occasionally been lured into them. In the strict interpretation this would include knocks on the door, something being handed off under the door, girl leaving the room and returning, etc. Sometimes I've allowed the little head to do the thinking, often resulting in some of my most memorable dreams. However, this news item is a reminder that the risks of doing so are immense.
http://www.whdh.com/story/30679082/6-people-arrested-after-police-raid-peabody-home
These girls posted on backpage often. Stay safe my friends.
A Patch link with more details and the LEO app used:
http://patch.com/massachusetts/peabody/house-ill-repute-raid-nets-six-arrests-peabody-0
http://www.whdh.com/story/30679082/6-people-arrested-after-police-raid-peabody-home
These girls posted on backpage often. Stay safe my friends.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/12/04/revere-woman-chelsea-man-charged-prostitution-case/JtsOyPFkxUTs5UMhIZkdDP/story.htmlDana at tempu.
Longjblues
12-09-15, 11:19
That's big. That may send a chill through all the agencies in the Boston area. I wonder how they were able to get the goods on Dana?
The news item mentions trafficking, but I doubt they will be able to prove that, unless one of the girls has flipped, but even then may be impossible to prove under the statute.
Dana at tempu.
Member #4063
12-09-15, 11:50
Tempu has been around for years, wonder why all of a sudden "issues". Trafficking is almost always alleged, but to the best of my knowledge has never been proven.
Jack.
That's big. That may send a chill through all the agencies in the Boston area. I wonder how they were able to get the goods on Dana?
The news item mentions trafficking, but I doubt they will be able to prove that, unless one of the girls has flipped, but even then may be impossible to prove under the statute.
One of the girl's mother was on the tv news saying that her daughter is innocent. She said that when the cop came in the house all her daughter did was do a touch test, and when she reached towards the cops' groin, he pulled her away. Don't want her as a witness.
LordOfThEeyes
12-09-15, 14:12
One of the girl's mother was on the tv news saying that her daughter is innocent. She said that when the cop came in the house all her daughter did was do a touch test, and when she reached towards the cops' groin, he pulled her away. Don't want her as a witness.I love it how LEO wants to protect the community and some bs like that. Yes this was a drug nest. But let's put all the names of the girls out there so crazies can track them down and also let all the dirty laundry out the window. They was to destroy the girls lives and use them as an example. It's sick. Keep them safe from the public at least until proven guilty.
It's a sad world but it's the world we live in. If someone wants to sell themselves and it's not against there will then it's there choice.
That's big. That may send a chill through all the agencies in the Boston area. I wonder how they were able to get the goods on Dana?
The news item mentions trafficking, but I doubt they will be able to prove that, unless one of the girls has flipped, but even then may be impossible to prove under the statute.
Tempu has been around for years, wonder why all of a sudden "issues". Trafficking is almost always alleged, but to the best of my knowledge has never been proven.
Jack.
That's big. That may send a chill through all the agencies in the Boston area. I wonder how they were able to get the goods on Dana?
The news item mentions trafficking, but I doubt they will be able to prove that, unless one of the girls has flipped, but even then may be impossible to prove under the statute.
I always took human trafficking to mean girls forced into prostitution not when girls choose to work as an escort for a legit agency. Am I wrong? Does it not matter if a girl is doing this stuff of her own free will? I'm assuming if no one was forced that a good lawyer could get that particular charge dropped.
I always took human trafficking to mean girls forced into prostitution not when girls choose to work as an escort for a legit agency. Am I wrong? Does it not matter if a girl is doing this stuff of her own free will? I'm assuming if no one was forced that a good lawyer could get that particular charge dropped.If you read the state statue they including everything but rotating your tires as human trafficking. The word "recruits" and "transport" are in there as well. Which means pretty much anything they want it to mean. No where in the statute does it require a victim which I find suspiciously troubling. This means in my humble opinion that even if you are the escort and don't claim to be forced into doing anything, the charge can still be filed against anyone who has demonstrated in some form any of the catch words used in the statute.
[blue]In some states the language says "transporting for the purposes of prostitution." That means, you pick up a SW, drive to your spot, have sex, give her money, you are a human trafficker.
Bullshit is what it is
A2/blue]
I always took human trafficking to mean girls forced into prostitution not when girls choose to work as an escort for a legit agency. Am I wrong? Does it not matter if a girl is doing this stuff of her own free will? I'm assuming if no one was forced that a good lawyer could get that particular charge dropped.For those who works in human traffic enforcement, especially if it's a woman, it probably doesn't. I think that for many women, especially more feministically inclined ones (degree of militancy in that regard is directly proportional to the degree of religious fervor), human traffic enforcement in large part is a source of self-affirmation. Many of them are on a very high horse and deny outright the existence of volunteerism in the world oldest profession. For many of them every prostitute has been coerced into being that by definition and that's that. That by itself often prevents them from going after cases where coercion indeed does play part, which make no mistake do exist, albeit they're not as frequent as the establishment human trafficking enforcement industry would make us believe.
After all human trafficking enforcement industry by now is indeed "an industry", the industry that already long turned itself into a self-feeding monster. Jobs are dependent on it. The less human trafficking there are, the lower are the government grants to fight it, the more human trafficking enforcement specialists get to wait tables.
The fact that many women of the 3rd world countries often prevent their whole families (sometimes even their whole villages) from starving to death with their prostitute' income (in the places where it's the only viable of which there are many, if not most) and that many girls in those parts would likely be starving themselves if they haven't had such an opportunity, gets conveniently bypassed or pivoted to more general economic topics, which most of the time realistically unattainable especially in the short term.
I've always heard stories about human trafficking from Russia and former USSR countries. I've met many Russian pros here in the states and outside and I can assure you that not a single one of them was coerced into prostitution. I suspect the life's circumstance forced some of them into it but not a pimp or a person.
Well actually it may not be necessarily true. But judge for yourself. I knew this one girl from this very nice middle class family who began dating a pimp who eventually coerced her into the prostitution but! I've known her since we were both 17 and always thought of her as a crazy but good-natured chick that always gravitated (and severely so) to the dark side. In fact she became a junkie way before hitting the streets, even before meeting her future pimp-husband. I suspect many of the old timers may even remember the Russian blonde that used to work Hemingway and Combat Zone in late 80's-early 90's. Would you consider a person like that being trafficked? Coerced? Technically maybe yes, but boy was she ready and inclined to be coerced for a long time by that point or what!
I think you yourself should define what it is that you consider human trafficking and stick with that criteria but always remember that human traffic enforcement may have a definition different from yours and they're the ones that have power to make your life miserable.
HowardSprague
12-11-15, 16:37
I always took human trafficking to mean girls forced into prostitution not when girls choose to work as an escort for a legit agency. Am I wrong? Does it not matter if a girl is doing this stuff of her own free will? I'm assuming if no one was forced that a good lawyer could get that particular charge dropped.It all comes down to the level of control the alleged trafficker has over the alleged victim. Does the accused control where the victim works, lives and sleeps, her transportation? Does the victim have valid identification (meaning, is she in the country legally)? They have a checklist and if they think they can answer yes to enough of the questions there's a trafficking charge. As well, cops are trained to charge an accused with as many crimes as they can find even a little evidence to support. They throw everything and see what sticks. It's a lovely tactic which makes life more difficult for EVERYONE else involved, including the prosecutors, and bogs down the criminal justice system.
life's circumstance forced some of them into it Feminists blame men for the fact that starving women from 3rd world nations have resorted to what is truly, a difficult and thankless job.
Feminists blame men for wanting sex.
Feminists and the law enforcement establishment shame and blame everyone involved in prostitution in countries like the USA where its not legal.
Feminists "rescue" women who are making $1200 a DAY from being "trafficked" and then the women get deported and have to go elsewhere.
Nobody considers that the rabid application of "human trafficking" instead "pandering" or "sexual service for a fee" turns a lonely guy into a monster in the eyes of the public.
It would be nice if as in Nevada, Canada, and most of Europe, legislation more clearly defined the difference between prostitution and "human trafficking".
Because, like, ya know, its only the difference between having to pay for it and kidnapping.
It all comes down to the level of control the alleged trafficker has over the alleged victim. Does the accused control where the victim works, lives and sleeps, her transportation? Does the victim have valid identification (meaning, is she in the country legally)? They have a checklist and if they think they can answer yes to enough of the questions there's a trafficking charge. As well, cops are trained to charge an accused with as many crimes as they can find even a little evidence to support. They throw everything and see what sticks. It's a lovely tactic which makes life more difficult for EVERYONE else involved, including the prosecutors, and bogs down the criminal justice system.Most certainly true on all sides. But even then prosecutors, judges and other attorneys that all comes later. Human trafficking professionals have ways to make your life irreversibly miserable irrespective of whether charges are filed and often even after that too. Those people work with conviction that would make Cotton Mather feel more like Mother Theresa in comparison. It's not a job for them, it's a mission. You're not even "plaintiff and defendant" to them, or "the accuser and the accused" you're "an abuser and a victim". That by itself underscores the attitude. Then even if you were to get acquitted of everything it at best is an "oops sorry".
Moreover, in America people rarely get acquitted anyway. Cases are encouraged to plea and strongly so. As part of the plea bargain the accused would usually have to admit to something. Whether they're actually at fault or not is not really relevant; it would take way too much resources from all sides in order to arrive to a reasonable conclusion in that regard and we all know that resources are always limited for everybody. So the system is very aggressive in trying to discourage the accused from going the distance. More often then not it succeeds. And then whether you were actually at fault or not your life will never be the same.
[blue]In some states the language says "transporting for the purposes of prostitution." That means, you pick up a SW, drive to your spot, have sex, give her money, you are a human trafficker. Bullshit is what it is [A2/blue]Not sure if you stated the above or if A2 did.
Regardless I've yet to see any place where this has happened, I could've have missed it though.
Not to say that the DA wouldn't try to charge someone as being a human trafficker, just saying that I've yet to see it happen with a SWer.
On the flip side I've seen those charged with human trafficking a lot within MPs & the escorting venues, very few convictions though.
It would be nice if as in Nevada, Canada, and most of Europe, legislation more clearly defined the difference between prostitution and "human trafficking". Because, like, ya know, its only the difference between having to pay for it and kidnapping.Agree 100%, to me the only known cure is legalization.
When anything is suppressed legally or not it's usually to the detriment of those the law is trying to protect.
"Sex trafficking will end only when men stop buying sex".
This will never ever happen till payment for sex is legalized, & I do not believe legalization will happen here in the USA, with Nevada the current exception.
Legalization is the only logical long term solution to sex trafficking, just as legalization of alcohol was to prohibition.
People will never stop paying for what they want no matter how many laws are made & what the punishment or ramification are, it's like shoveling shit against the tide.
I know I may take shit for this but human & sex trafficking happen every day all over the world including here in the USA.
The other deterrent is the billions of dollars involved, from over inflated LE budgets, which the taxpayers pay for to every other low life parasite trying live off what others generate.
Want to stop it, legalize it, & while it won't totally stop it will reduce trafficking significantly.
As for the exploitation of minors & forcing sex work against a persons will, well public execution with a bullet to the back of the head may work.
There will be & are opposing views & I'm no expert, just my 2 on how I see things.
Rebrobate218
12-12-15, 12:46
It all comes down to the level of control the alleged trafficker has over the alleged victim. Does the accused control where the victim works, lives and sleeps, her transportation? Does the victim have valid identification (meaning, is she in the country legally)? They have a checklist and if they think they can answer yes to enough of the questions there's a trafficking charge. As well, cops are trained to charge an accused with as many crimes as they can find even a little evidence to support. They throw everything and see what sticks. It's a lovely tactic which makes life more difficult for EVERYONE else involved, including the prosecutors, and bogs down the criminal justice system.Skatar018 - I have read about tactics like this being used by the authorities. I want to say in Oregon a woman violated a new federal law which makes it illegal to aid in anyway a minor involved in the sex industry. So a stripper was charged under this law for giving a ride to another stripper who was underage. This federal law was designed as a way to go after the customers of underage prostitutes. It was specifically written to appear to target pimps but the ultimate goal was to make the penalties so harsh on the customers that all prostitution would end. The penalty under this was is a $5,000 fine, which is to go into a fund for the victims of human trafficking. So far only petty pimps, some of them women, have been charged. This was passed in the 1st quarter of 2015 and there was a buzz as to why Jarrod of Subway fame was not charged under the new law. Lawrence Taylor could have been charge if this law had been in place when he was arrested.
This federal law was designed as a way to go after the customers of underage prostitutes.Would you have a link to the Federal law by any chance? Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzuFBQbyqTo&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzuFBQbyqTo&feature=youtu.beAs a privacy person, I hate this.
As a single person, I LOOOOOOOOOVE this.
Would you have a link to the Federal law by any chance? Thanks.http://www.dhs.gov/human-trafficking-laws-regulations
Good luck reading this confusing mess. Just like reading tax code. Like A2/ Blue said. BS.
No one saw this one? This is big news! What do you guys think?
http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/01/prostitution-decriminalization-debated-i
http://www.nh1.com/news/state-rep-from-manchester-proposes-bill-to-decriminalize-prostitution-in-nh/
No one saw this one? This is big news! What do you guys think?
http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/01/prostitution-decriminalization-debated-iIt's good that it's being proposed by the female reps. Who knows, maybe Live Free or Die state will actually end up living by its motto. Maybe we'll see the reason why they actually deserve to have the first primary.
Check the list of organizations that recommend decriminalization. "Global Alliance Against Trafficking in Women" instantly jumped at me. Do you think they know better then our (often false) Women rights zealots-feminazis?
You always bring good, strong reasoning to the board. Do you think it will go through? I mean in the near future? Will it be like pot decriminalization in Washington State and Colorado? It's interesting that the group you referred to is it's main purpose is to fight human trafficking! Many of the trafficking organizations have no clue what the difference is between consensual and coerced. Good news if this goes through and hits states like a domino effect, no one will be concerned with being arrested and if an escort is a rob, violent or tries to blackmail you you can contact the police. If an escort is a victim of crime the same goes for her. Good for the guys, prices will probably drop for escort services, because there will be more saturation of supply over demand. There will be more escorts to choose from. Women will enter escorting more freely knowing they won't be arrested. I don't know if the services will improve though. I know I will be traveling to NH more often!
I'm surprised that nothing was posted in NH about this. Maybe the guys are jaded and skeptical? I'm always hopeful. Anytime I think if any form of consensual sex between adults being illegal seems ludicrous to me. Isn't there supposed to be a separation of church and state in government?
I'm working with another escort Gabrielle who's in her 30's. We just came back from NY, not too far north of NYC near the CT border. Every time I'm anywhere, especially in a hotel I'm nervous about noisy housekeeping and front desk staff. The hotel we used was a really beautiful resort hotel with two swimming pools, a jacuzzi, golf course, two restaurants, room service, a gym with classes and equipment. Negatives, which is why we won't be going back there, ants in the bathrooms and my friends cell service didn't work in her room, so it was a hassle for scheduling. Thankfully mine worked. I was nervous working with someone new, because I've had so many bad escort experiences off of backpage like you all seem to have. It's been a month, but I think I've hit gold with her! I will keep you all updated on that.
You always bring good, strong reasoning to the board. Do you think it will go through? I mean in the near future? Will it be like pot decriminalization in Washington State and Colorado? It's interesting that the group you referred to is it's main purpose is to fight human trafficking! Many of the trafficking organizations have no clue what the difference is between consensual and coerced. Good news if this goes through and hits states like a domino effect, no one will be concerned with being arrested and if an escort is a rob, violent or tries to blackmail you you can contact the police. If an escort is a victim of crime the same goes for her. Good for the guys, prices will probably drop for escort services, because there will be more saturation of supply over demand. There will be more escorts to choose from. Women will enter escorting more freely knowing they won't be arrested. I don't know if the services will improve though. I know I will be traveling to NH more often!
I'm surprised that nothing was posted in NH about this. Maybe the guys are jaded and skeptical? I'm always hopeful. Anytime I think if any form of consensual sex between adults being illegal seems ludicrous to me. Isn't there supposed to be a separation of church and state in government?
I'm working with another escort Gabrielle who's in her 30's. We just came back from NY, not too far north of NYC near the CT border. Every time I'm anywhere, especially in a hotel I'm nervous about noisy housekeeping and front desk staff. The hotel we used was a really beautiful resort hotel with two swimming pools, a jacuzzi, golf course, two restaurants, room service, a gym with classes and equipment. Negatives, which is why we won't be going back there, ants in the bathrooms and my friends cell service didn't work in her room, so it was a hassle for scheduling. Thankfully mine worked. I was nervous working with someone new, because I've had so many bad escort experiences off of backpage like you all seem to have. It's been a month, but I think I've hit gold with her! I will keep you all updated on that.1. Why don't you yourself post it on NH board.
2. Keep dreaming on this going through. Children of the 60s and the 70s have grown up, that's why pot is being decriminalized. They don't have as strong feelings about the prostitution as they do about the weed.
3. In Costa Rica or Brazil or I suspect anywhere else in Latin America, if, God forbid, a call girl calls the police on you, chances are the police would automatically take her side over yours. The advise is to quickly pay everybody as much as they're asking no matter how outrageous it may seem at the time and do everything possible to avoid to be taken to the police station. Because if they do take you to the police station and "the matter of principal" and "the national pride" enters into the picture together with significantly widened circle of the desiring recipients of your "foreign aid", you'd end up paying so much more compared to what you would've paid initially, in addition to enjoying involuntary rent-free local hospitality while legal issues are sorting themselves out, that you'd curse yourself continuously on why haven't you paid what they were asking initially right there and then.
I know of a case in Costa Rica when two mongers disagreed with a tica on the expected compensation. The tica called the cops and the mongers allowed themselves to be taken to the station. They hired a local attorney (despite of me telling someone closely involved in the case for them not to do that!), ended up spending over 6 months in local jail while "legal proceedings" were taking place. The legal proceedings involved judges changing (or retiring?), prosecutors vacationing, and (dear God!) motions filed. When I heard about the later I just threw my hands up in dismay.
DaveSheehan
02-06-16, 19:40
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/05/northeastern-professor-arrested-prostitution-sting/cZVjsBHdiRNeXL3GYhyZsJ/story.html
I always wonder what the ads look like and what the interactions are. Discussing anything 'important' is a big no-no and has never happened to me. I always wonder if just showing up for a regular BP ad is enough to charge?
There has to be someone on the board who has first-hand experience of one of these. I'm sure it's a little embarrassing to talk about, but it could really help a lot of people. If you're an existing member and you don't want to admit that you screwed up once, just create a new username and unburden yourself. Confession is good for the soul, especially here where it's totally anonymous.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/02/05/northeastern-professor-arrested-prostitution-sting/cZVjsBHdiRNeXL3GYhyZsJ/story.html
I always wonder what the ads look like and what the interactions are. Discussing anything 'important' is a big no-no and has never happened to me. I always wonder if just showing up for a regular BP ad is enough to charge?
Speeding Ticke
02-08-16, 00:22
The problem is that it doesn't matter. You might have called the number in the ad and never mentioned sex, fees or any of the stuff that makes a case winnable for LE. Just being at the address, with money in hand and a phone number matching the calls and or texts is enough to get you arrested and arraigned.
You can win the trial but you can't get back the lost reputation of having your name in the newspaper. This is the single biggest weapon the LE have and it is something they count on. News papers are looking to sell copy and salacious sexual content sells. Cops and reporters are a match made in hell.
There has to be someone on the board who has first-hand experience of one of these. I'm sure it's a little embarrassing to talk about, but it could really help a lot of people. If you're an existing member and you don't want to admit that you screwed up once, just create a new username and unburden yourself. Confession is good for the soul, especially here where it's totally anonymous.
The problem is that it doesn't matter. You might have called the number in the ad and never mentioned sex, fees or any of the stuff that makes a case winnable for LE. Just being at the address, with money in hand and a phone number matching the calls and or texts is enough to get you arrested and arraigned.
You can win the trial but you can't get back the lost reputation of having your name in the newspaper. This is the single biggest weapon the LE have and it is something they count on. News papers are looking to sell copy and salacious sexual content sells. Cops and reporters are a match made in hell.I think the wild card in all of this is that cops lie. They know why you are there and to make their case more winnable will lie about what you say.
Firehose69
02-08-16, 12:37
I think the wild card in all of this is that cops lie. They know why you are there and to make their case more winnable will lie about what you say.Ok, you get pulled over the cops are going to arrive 3 to 5 at a time and one will play good cop. He wants to listen and convince you to confess.
If it was a street walker she has a record for something and they have probable cause. If you are alone they count on you being stupid.
If you made a date online and never discussed a donation or act guess what else is in store for you? Bad cop maintains you said something about email. Good cop reminds you they can get your email footprints and find evidence about one time when you asked a question from any person online and gain credibility about this fishy encounter you got yourself into.
Monger phone. Rotate phone and number. No references. Do not take chances.
Too many safe choices.
I think the wild card in all of this is that cops lie. They know why you are there and to make their case more winnable will lie about what you say.The cops. Lie. They would never do such a thing. SMH.
It doesn't matter much what you say or don't say, if you show up to a sting you're not walking away without your name and possibly your face in the paper / news.
You might walk away from the case but it's too late at that point, you've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
Do your research and be overly cautious, there's more than enough info on here to help with that.
The cops. Lie. They would never do such a thing. SMH.
It doesn't matter much what you say or don't say, if you show up to a sting you're not walking away without your name and possibly your face in the paper / news.
You might walk away from the case but it's too late at that point, you've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
Do your research and be overly cautious, there's more than enough info on here to help with that.I think it matters what you say if caught in a sting. My father's advice and he was a cop many many years ago was simple. Say nothing but your name and address. If the cops ask you why you will not talk or answer the questions just say "I might say something stupid ". And if you talk.
You will say something stupid. IMHO the risk is not worth visiting a provider on CL or BP or on the street. I am not preaching to anyone or trying to bust anyone's balls here. The risk / reward ratio just sucks in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to have fun at a strip club or massage spa.
However. I love massages and for over ten tears got non sexual massages for about $50. I never tipped except for the holidays. I would have.
The women visit my home, give her the $50 first and lie down covered on my own massage table. She never brought any linins or table just oil and a good attitude and left after the 50 minute massage was done. This was a regular event on Wednesday after work for many years. I usually fell asleep at the end of the massage. It was good.
Have fun.
I think it matters what you say if caught in a sting. My father's advice and he was a cop many many years ago was simple. Say nothing but your name and address. If the cops ask you why you will not talk or answer the questions just say "I might say something stupid ". And if you talk.
You will say something stupid. IMHO the risk is not worth visiting a provider on CL or BP or on the street. I am not preaching to anyone or trying to bust anyone's balls here. The risk / reward ratio just sucks in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to have fun at a strip club or massage spa.
However. I love massages and for over ten tears got non sexual massages for about $50. I never tipped except for the holidays. I would have.
The women visit my home, give her the $50 first and lie down covered on my own massage table. She never brought any linins or table just oil and a good attitude and left after the 50 minute massage was done. This was a regular event on Wednesday after work for many years. I usually fell asleep at the end of the massage. It was good.
Have fun.If you show up to a sting you're pretty much *ed regardless of what you do or don't say. I agree with keeping your mouth shut when it comes to the cops ALWAYS.
-Stay safe.
If you show up to a sting you're pretty much *ed regardless of what you do or don't say. I agree with keeping your mouth shut when it comes to the cops ALWAYS.
-Stay safe.Yes talking always makes your situation worse and limits your options later.
Fuhgetaboudit
02-23-16, 21:16
Stay safe, mongers have to always be aware of surroundings and watchful / eavesdropping hotel personnel. (In another thread a couple days ago, someone mentioned a hotel clerk being in the hallway overhearing a conversation that occurred inside a hotel room). This hotel mentioned might be a candidate for a do not visit, or visit with extreme caution, list.
Below is an excerpt, a little bit redacted, from yesterday's local Tewks rag, no link, 'cause I'm not sure the board rules allow it due to details of person's name being mentioned:
"On Friday, Feb. 19 Tewksbury Police arrested (name), 38, of (neighboring city) for human trafficking, deriving support from prostitution and sexual conduct for a fee. The arrest followed a call police received from an alert employee at the Extended Stay America Hotel located on Andover Street, who stated he was concerned about two young females (over 18) who appeared to be under the direction of (him). (Local LEO) responded and began an investigation. It was determined (he) recruited the females and drove them to Tewksbury from Providence RI. (He) rented a hotel room in order for the females to conduct sexual acts for a fee and to provide him with a percentage of the money. (He) was placed in custody at the Extended Stay. ".
I am aware of a friend who had to run and hide around the property of, I believe, an Extended Stay on second ave in watch city, to dodge LEO who were looking for him as they had been called by that hotel's staff. As the saying goes, even though the target of the above news story is a pimp not a monger, mongers need to keep their spidey senses at highest sensitivity levels at all times, for a lot of reasons.
Ho Hunter 328
02-24-16, 02:16
Stay safe, mongers have to always be aware of surroundings and watchful / eavesdropping hotel personnel. (In another thread a couple days ago, someone mentioned a hotel clerk being in the hallway overhearing a conversation that occurred inside a hotel room). This hotel mentioned might be a candidate for a do not visit, or visit with extreme caution, list.
Below is an excerpt, a little bit redacted, from yesterday's local Tewks rag, no link, 'cause I'm not sure the board rules allow it due to details of person's name being mentioned:
"On Friday, Feb. 19 Tewksbury Police arrested (name), 38, of (neighboring city) for human trafficking, deriving support from prostitution and sexual conduct for a fee. The arrest followed a call police received from an alert employee at the Extended Stay America Hotel located on Andover Street, who stated he was concerned about two young females (over 18) who appeared to be under the direction of (him). (Local LEO) responded and began an investigation. It was determined (he) recruited the females and drove them to Tewksbury from Providence RI. (He) rented a hotel room in order for the females to conduct sexual acts for a fee and to provide him with a percentage of the money. (He) was placed in custody at the Extended Stay. ".
I am aware of a friend who had to run and hide around the property of, I believe, an Extended Stay on second ave in watch city, to dodge LEO who were looking for him as they had been called by that hotel's staff. As the saying goes, even though the target of the above news story is a pimp not a monger, mongers need to keep their spidey senses at highest sensitivity levels at all times, for a lot of reasons.Just one of the reasons incalls are high risk. Homeland Security has been asking hotel staff to watch for Prostitution, because apparently they don't have more important things to worry about.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
Just one of the reasons incalls are high risk. Homeland Security has been asking hotel staff to watch for Prostitution, because apparently they don't have more important things to worry about.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/12/homeland-security-asking-hotel-staff-to
Stay safe, and happy hunting.It's fascinating how my new country reminds me of my old one lately. Everybody are being asked to be vigilant and encouraged to tell authorities on all kinds of suspicious behavior, some possibly more consequential then other. But the fact that the government is asking hotel employees to report all possible suspicious behavior (not only violent crime) as they say in the article "even if it turns out to be nothing" basically leveling the criteria between let's say, terrorists-related and prostitution is something so USSR, it's like can't get anymore USSR then that.
What they are actually doing is trying to get the hotel personal used to the idea that it should be ready to rat out anybody that breaths wrong, let alone walks funny. Are we really becoming a nation of snitches among other things? Just saying.
Be careful in the 'Tree:
http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20160212/NEWS/160217922/?Start=1
Ho Hunter 328
02-25-16, 05:02
It's fascinating how my new country reminds me of my old one lately. Everybody are being asked to be vigilant and encouraged to tell authorities on all kinds of suspicious behavior, some possibly more consequential then other. But the fact that the government is asking hotel employees to report all possible suspicious behavior (not only violent crime) as they say in the article "even if it turns out to be nothing" basically leveling the criteria between let's say, terrorists-related and prostitution is something so USSR, it's like can't get anymore USSR then that.
What they are actually doing is trying to get the hotel personal used to the idea that it should be ready to rat out anybody that breaths wrong, let alone walks funny. Are we really becoming a nation of snitches among other things? Just saying.Da tovarisch.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
I have ruled out hotels / motels a long time ago. I know it excludes quite a few opportunities, but. ?
And not wussy sports that they do now!
https://www.facebook.com/Lmaoviral/videos/235979116739449/
Anyone up for Pelvic power lift?
Be careful in the 'Tree:
http://www.patriotledger.com/article/20160212/NEWS/160217922/?Start=1Yep, someone's got a woody for the hobby in the 'tree for sure. They are saying they are going after traffickers in particular but I'm sure the broom will be broad when it comes to the hobby in general. Securing outside doors and hiring police details and nosy staff don't make for a happy hobbyist / escort.
http://braintree.wickedlocal.com/article/20160224/NEWS/160228229
Yep, someone's got a woody for the hobby in the 'tree for sure. They are saying they are going after traffickers in particular but I'm sure the broom will be broad when it comes to the hobby in general. Securing outside doors and hiring police details and nosy staff don't make for a happy hobbyist / escort.
http://braintree.wickedlocal.com/article/20160224/NEWS/160228229Small hotels are being bought by people that only ran Kwik-E-Marts. The new owners are very nosy and work long hours meaning they know everybody who comes and goes.
Anybody have any tricks to stay under the radar while entering small hotels?
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Anybody have any tricks to stay under the radar while entering small hotels?Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.
Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.
BenjaminBenji
02-26-16, 10:11
Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.
Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.Well that all works well but if you really want to fly under the radar wait for someone or a small group of people to walk in and act like you are one of the group.
Ocassionaly I will laugh as I'm walking in as if someone just said something funny, and if you are really good you can time it just right to say something cleaver to the.
Person as your walking in, this way it looks like you know them and they know you. The trick is to not wait outside the door, wait in your car and watch for people getting out of their cars walking in.
Member #4063
02-26-16, 12:04
Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.
Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.Great advice, I always if I am visiting a provider call them and specifically ask exactly where the elevator is and when I walk in head straight to it with my phone as if I am speaking with some one.
Jack.
Went to see a provider today. Just as I turned left to go into the street that leads to the hotel / parking lot I see a car with blue mass plates. 2 guys sitting on the front. Hotel lobby had some traffic going on and saw someone with a crew cut and well built. Could have been LE and he was talking to staff members. After my session, I exit thru the rear door and went around to go to my car, saw 2 cars parked up front with another guy, same type build and another car next to him, fluorescent vest sitting on the passengers seat. Maybe they are working the hotels now hard this time of year. Stay off hotels exit 27 route ninety five.
Short Stroke
02-28-16, 07:20
Went to see a provider today. Just as I turned left to go into the street that leads to the hotel / parking lot I see a car with blue mass plates. 2 guys sitting on the front. Hotel lobby had some traffic going on and saw someone with a crew cut and well built. Could have been LE and he was talking to staff members. After my session, I exit thru the rear door and went around to go to my car, saw 2 cars parked up front with another guy, same type build and another car next to him, fluorescent vest sitting on the passengers seat. Maybe they are working the hotels now hard this time of year. Stay off hotels exit 27 route ninety five.In case you haven't read past LEO reports or sting information you will find that LEO works certain areas and has management on their team to watch for certain activities. While the vast amount of energy would be directed at illegal drug activity the grabbing of working girls or providers is just icing on their cake.
The stings are usually focused around drugs not just sex for money.
When visiting a hotel or motel always be aware of your surroundings. Act casual when you enter and head to the room. Some carry a newspaper or perhaps a coffee is being brought to your favorite provider. Don't look like "Hey I'm here for sex with someone".
You never know what you might walk into. So always be on guard.
Yes, I have read all this before. In case you missed the point, I was just reporting what I happened to run into.
In case you haven't read past LEO reports or sting information you will find that LEO works certain areas and has management on their team to watch for certain activities. While the vast amount of energy would be directed at illegal drug activity the grabbing of working girls or providers is just icing on their cake.
The stings are usually focused around drugs not just sex for money.
When visiting a hotel or motel always be aware of your surroundings. Act casual when you enter and head to the room. Some carry a newspaper or perhaps a coffee is being brought to your favorite provider. Don't look like "Hey I'm here for sex with someone".
You never know what you might walk into. So always be on guard.
Some great tips posted. Not sure if this was mentioned but I never leave thru the Lobby. When I arrive I park near an exterior entry / exit door usually rear if available. While I do not know exactly where the provider is I keep in tune with my spot location as I enter the lobby. After appointment I get my bearings and find the stairwell that serves my exit door. Down the stairs, out the door and away I go.
Jeishein14
02-28-16, 15:27
The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.
Member #5912
02-28-16, 17:35
The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Yup, and I'd bet every doorway to every room has a camera on it. I got a room at a hotel and had a stripper meet me there. When we were done I gave her the money in an envelope. I thought she'd count it right there but she didn't. As she left and I shut the door behind her I looked through the peephole and she was standing right outside my door in the hallway counting the money. What a bonehead. All on camera too I'm sure.
Now granted, they have no proof. I could have been getting tango lessons. Still, it would be a hassle. Remember guys, you can take the 5th and not talk to the police and take the 4th and not have them search you.
Jeishein14
02-28-16, 18:25
Remember guys, you can take the 5th and not talk to the police and take the 4th and not have them search you.You can remain silent. You can beat the case. HOWEVER, your name, address and mugshot, along with the charges, will still be published for perpetuity on the internet. Kiss family, career, friends goodbye. Simply staying home seems the more sensible option.
BillyBaloney
02-28-16, 20:08
The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.Dude, you really don't belong in this hobby. Yes there are cameras everywhere but if you think the local Marriott has a crack security staff of 50 watching every fucking door at all times then it is evident that you watch way too much TV. Can something bad happen? Yes. Odds of it happening? Slim. Now go to the post office tomorrow and get a stamp collecting kit. You're welcome.
BTG.
Jeishein14
02-29-16, 01:01
What about all the mugshots that are published on the Internet? Should those dudes be collecting stamps too?
HowardSprague
02-29-16, 10:55
The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.Your argument for DNA evidence is completely backwards. Simply put, DNA can be used to (arguably) tie existing suspects to a scene, but it isn't used to find new suspects. Just not even remotely practical at this time, especially in a hotel room.
Jeishein14
02-29-16, 21:15
You're adding facts to your factpattern. You never mentioned either party being a convicted felon. Barring a felony conviction since the DNA sampling legislation went into effect, there would be almost no way to identify the person from DNA alone. There is no comprehensive database of the population. There's also the volume of different DNA in a hotel room and the likely contamination of any sample by the DNA of possibly hundreds of other people. Hotels don't wash bedding as often as you'd like to think.
You're not getting arrested by merely showing up at a sting. Unless and until there is an agreement (and what constitutes an agreement can be very loosely defined) for sexual activity in exchange for a fee there is no crime. It's not an inchoate crime.
I think BillyBaloney called this one.If you are suggesting that you can't or won't get arrested for walking into a sting operation, you are doing the men on this forum a serious injustice. Do your homework.
Jack A Dogov
03-01-16, 10:08
You're adding facts to your factpattern. You never mentioned either party being a convicted felon. Barring a felony conviction since the DNA sampling legislation went into effect, there would be almost no way to identify the person from DNA alone. There is no comprehensive database of the population. There's also the volume of different DNA in a hotel room and the likely contamination of any sample by the DNA of possibly hundreds of other people. Hotels don't wash bedding as often as you'd like to think.
You're not getting arrested by merely showing up at a sting. Unless and until there is an agreement (and what constitutes an agreement can be very loosely defined) for sexual activity in exchange for a fee there is no crime. It's not an inchoate crime.
I think BillyBaloney called this one.
If you are suggesting that you can't or won't get arrested for walking into a sting operation, you are doing the men on this forum a serious injustice. Do your homework.I recall Howard once mentioning that he is an attorney so I believe he has done his homework.
HowardSprague
03-01-16, 10:32
I recall Howard once mentioning that he is an attorney so I believe he has done his homework.Yup. (insert smiley face emoticon).
I will offer one caveat. Cops can arrest you for anything. They'll often rely on "disorderly conduct. " That's why I advise ALWAYS being polite when dealing with them. A little common courtesy goes a long way. Don't be an ass and you'll probably be fine. Don't agree to sexual conduct in exchange for a fee. If a provider starts mentioning prices for acts, or even hinting. Decline. State there must be some misunderstanding. State you're not interested in breaking any laws. Exit. You've got more plausible deniability if the ad talks about massage.
Speeding Ticke
03-04-16, 17:22
I always feel like the most obvious thing you can do is pull into the lot and sit waiting for the "cumon Up" call.
I usually wait down the street near by, get the call with a room number, roll into the lot, park, and take a bag in with me. Dunkins, lunch, or gym-bag doesn't matter. Just don't bring a bag of rubbers and dildos!
Sometimes I go to a floor above or below by elevator and then take stairs to the actual floor.
The bigger places are a maze and getting lost is pretty normal. Can't say how many times I have exited on the wrong end of a building or missed the elevator-walked down a hallway and had to turn around.
I am guessing that a ton of regular guest get lost as well.
Well that all works well but if you really want to fly under the radar wait for someone or a small group of people to walk in and act like you are one of the group.
Ocassionaly I will laugh as I'm walking in as if someone just said something funny, and if you are really good you can time it just right to say something cleaver to the.
Person as your walking in, this way it looks like you know them and they know you. The trick is to not wait outside the door, wait in your car and watch for people getting out of their cars walking in.
HowardSprague
03-06-16, 14:58
Your posts all concern the inevitability of publicity if you're arrested. "Cameras everywhere"! Wow.
In contrast, other members post practical tips about which exits to use at hotels, the likelihood of intrusive / nosy staff, even the pros / cons of specific locales.
I'm abandoning this thread -- and any hopes of your posting actual reviews or intel. Buh-bye!Where's the "like" button?
Where's the "like" button?I'm looking for it too.
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Longjblues
03-07-16, 13:10
Its unanimous. Henceforth, Jeishein14 shall be obligated to post in MassHoles and stay there.
If only we had the power. LOL.
What is YOUR profession, by the way?
I hope for your sake you didn't come to this site hoping to make friends and exchange information, that, instead, you came here with the intent to alienate yourself by spouting meandering nonsense and, now, attacking the character of respected contributors to this board. Why? Because I like to see people succeed and be happy. You ARE doing an excellent job at the latter. Bravo! Pretty soon you'll be joining the illustrious company of Bozscaggs, Negriso and a handful of others who populate the "Ignore Lists" of countless members based on their pointless argumentativeness, lunacy, and general trolling. I know you'll soon be joining them on mine! Perhaps the Massholes forum is the place for you. I don't know. I don't venture there as I haven't the time or inclination to engage with idiots.
That said, let's stop wasting bandwidth. I have better things to do. Andy's out of town and Miss Crump is feeling a little neglected. Howard Sprague out. <whump hummmmmm.
Its unanimous. Henceforth, Jeishein14 shall be obligated to post in MassHoles and stay there.
If only we had the power. LOL.Your heartfelt appeal has been heard in the halls of Olympus and we who have the power have acted.
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Short Stroke
03-26-16, 12:03
SEEKONK, MA—A Mansfield man was snared in a sex sting in Seekonk on Wednesday.
The Seekonk Police Department said that 11 men were arrested after they showed up to a location where police were waiting. The men, police said, had responded to ads soliciting sex for money posted to social media sites unaware that the ads were posted by detectives.
Seekonk Police Chief Craig A. Mace said in a news release that the law enforcement team included Seekonk officers and detectives, officers from surrounding local police departments in Massachusetts and federal agents from the Department of Homeland Security.
The men, ranging in age from 29 to 56, are all facing charges of engaging in sexual conduct for a fee and are free on bail after booking at the Seekonk Police Department on Wednesday. They are all due to be arraigned in Taunton District Court on Thursday.
The sting comes not long after Cranston police led a similar sting using the Backpage.com website, which is frequently used by pimps and prostitutes to solicit Johns for sexual services. Police arrested 17 people, including a 21-year-old Providence woman who was trafficking a 16-year-old girl. The rest were all men, mostly middle aged, who thought they were about to pay for sex.
Sex traffickers primarily use social media sites, Backpage.com, and other similar sites to conduct their business.
Police are especially concerned about the trafficking of minors and vulnerable people by predators who often brutally rape and abuse their victims.
Law enforcement operations targeting Johns have come under fire from civil rights advocates. The state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union decried the Cranston Police Department's sting last week, saying in a statement that the department was effectively humiliating more than a dozen consenting adults by conflating prostitution with trafficking.
It "does nothing to help the trafficking victims who remain ensnared while consenting adults are pursued and arrested," said ACLU of Rhode Island Policy Associate Hillary Davis. "By humiliating and charging johns for seeking consensual sex and by giving prostitutes arrest records in the name of 'helping' them, these operations misleadingly purport to crack down on human trafficking, when their major effect is just to make the lives of prostitutes more difficult and dangerous, driving sex work even deeper into the shadows. ".
In response, Cranston Police Chief Col. Michael J. Winquist said that the possibility of saving a 16-year-old girl from sex slavery is worth the other arrests for sexual conduct for a fee.
"It is rare for victims of human trafficking to seek assistance on their own as their ability to recognize a need for help is diminished from drug use and conditioning that their lives are worthless," Winquist said. "We will not shield the identities of individuals who come into the City of Cranston looking to pay for sex and will continue to be transparent by making the names of those arrested available to the public through our Department website and media releases. ".
It is the belief of many in law enforcement that both the supply and demand side of the equation should be addressed by police investigations. Social media makes it easy for Johns to find paid-for sex online, creating a lucrative market for traffickers to exploit. Police believe high-profile stings like these will dissuade some Johns from scouring the Internet for sex knowing that a cop might be behind the escort ad.
There is an ongoing debate involving members of law enforcement, civil rights groups and the general public over the enforcement of prostitution laws. Some argue that legalizing prostitution would ensure safety for sex workers and lift some of the stigmas that prevent people from seeking help from drugs or bad situations.
"We commend the organizations in the state actively working to provide social and other support services to sex workers who may have an addiction or need other assistance. But we emphatically reject the notion that the only way these individuals can be helped is if they are first put into handcuffs," Davis said.
It "does nothing to help the trafficking victims who remain ensnared while consenting adults are pursued and arrested," said ACLU of Rhode Island Policy Associate Hillary Davis. "By humiliating and charging johns for seeking consensual sex and by giving prostitutes arrest records in the name of 'helping' them, these operations misleadingly purport to crack down on human trafficking, when their major effect is just to make the lives of prostitutes more difficult and dangerous, driving sex work even deeper into the shadows. ".
I can't believe it. I never thought I would see the day I would agree with the ACLU. Did the earth just shift on its' axis?
In response, Cranston Police Chief Col. Michael J. Winquist said that the possibility of saving a 16-year-old girl from sex slavery is worth the other arrests for sexual conduct for a fee.
If this guy doesn't agree with the 4, 5, 6, and 14th amendments, he should resign and move to a different country. "Worth the other (unconstitutional) arrests" is anti-American.
If this guy doesn't agree with the 4, 5, 6, and 14th amendments, he should resign and move to a different country. "Worth the other (unconstitutional) arrests" is anti-American.That Cranston Police Chief Col. Michael J. Winquist would say anything that his job requires him to say and what would keep PC police happy with his department. In reality for all you know he maybe himself a hobbyist. I can't think of a single provider I spent time with that didn't tell me that she had members of our finest for clients. Moreover I'm sure that there are enough cops that do what many providers do for work: drive to neighboring state for hobbying.
Many cops are finding themselves being forced into a choice of either being two-faced about the whole thing or losing their jobs. Especially now when with in-cruiser cameras and smart phones all over and with Puritan housewives forever on watch, ladies can no longer get themselves off by trading in their pussies.
Imagine what would happen if the good colonel wouldn't say a thing like that? You know he wouldn't have made colonel, that's for sure. In fact for all you know that's how he probably became chief of police in the first place, and by the way he talks good'ol colonel is sure on the way to be a big time "super" somewhere. The way he works it who knows, one day he may even be your congressman!
As for the constitution. Sorry for being one cynical bastard but for a long time now and increasingly so I've come to the conclusion that constitution is nothing more then a notion used by the local elites to keep their "subjects" in the state of happy make believe in order to have ship going in the direction they want it to go without much interference. The long-overdue reaction to this we're seeing right now.
The only thing is that the "controlled" masses apparently are picking another rich boy and the certified member of the hereditary elite (still from daddy to son you know, no matter how you slice the pie) to bring their constitution back.
Well, remember what the last rich boy did to avenge his daddy almost being killed. He got us into Iraq for no apparent rhyme or reason, the long-term affects of which we are seeing now with ISIS and on the streets of Brussels. The only difference that I can see between the two is the latest one's big mouth.
If anybody doubts that this new rich boy is going to do anything different then the last one did they're living in the la-la land. He already wants to be able to sue the press for insulting him which probably is the paramount issue for him and his rich friends. Next thing you know he'd be threatening to send "his army" out if some world leader (like Russian Putin or the Chinese Xi Jinping) calls him a looser or somehow insults his wife. Rich kids do that. For them we all by definition are losers, numbers and the cannon meat. If he gets in - the United States will be "his dukedom" and US military will be "his army". This country reminds me more and more of my old country and by all appearances I expect this resemblance to increase.
Sorry, just had to say it. Somehow mentioning of constitution got it out of me.
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