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Best Swimmer
04-30-12, 00:40
http://www.emissourian.com/news/national/article_85b78626-8d5a-11e1-a68f-0019bb2963f4.html

Never mind the use of taxpayer dollars, the potential threat to national security, the embarrassment brought to the USA government. In one regard, at least,"Hookergate" was a good thing, at least to sex workers in the United States: It called attention to the plight of sex workers here, where prostitutions is illegal and practitioners have no rights.

"If it had happened here, the woman couldn't have gone to the police and said, 'These guys are trying to cheat me out of money. ' Instead, she would have been hurt and cheated, and Mr. Agent Man would have gone home and patted himself on the back for having gotten one over on her," said Maggie McNeill, a former New Orleans call girl and the founder of The Honest Courtesan.

Last week. 11 Secret Service agents were recalled to the USA from Cartagena, Colombia, where they had been on assignment to help protect President Obama at the Summit of the Americas. They were placed on administrative leave after allegedly bringing prostitutes back to the Hotel Caribe, and their security clearance was later revoked. Ten USA military personnel are also being investigated for their role in the affair.

Interestingly, hiring a prostitute (and related adultery issues) was never specifically outlawed in the military until 2006, when the Bush administration made changes to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Today, it's banned even if prostitution is legal in the country. Military personnel who patronize prostitutes can receive up to a year in jail, get a dishonorable discharge, and lose all pay and allowances.

McNeill and others say the policy is ridiculous, and that criminalizing prostitution is not only a human rights violation, but also a safety and labor issue. Now is a perfect time to call attention to the plight of sex workers—which includes prostitutes, escorts, as well as adult film models and actors—in the USA, where prostitution is illegal except in some pockets of Nevada. The repercussions of underground sex businesses can be dangerous, if not deadly.

"We've found in New York that when sex workers are criminalized, they are afraid to go to police when they are victims of crime, including theft, rape and human trafficking," said Sienna Baskin, co-director of the Sex Workers Project at the Urban Justice Center in New York, which advocates for sex workers and survivors of human trafficking.

"They are also subject to bad policing practices and police brutality," added Baskin, who recently returned from a day of lobbying in New York's state capital, Albany, to pass Bill A1008 / S323, which would prohibit police and prosecutors from citing possession of condoms as evidence of prostitution.

Not only are Americans outraged by the use of taxpayer dollars in connection with Secret Service extracurricular activities, but there is concern that the agents, most of whom are married, violated their top-secret security clearances by boasting to the women about their affiliation with the president and that sensitive information could be passed to terrorists or drug cartel leaders.

But while they acknowledge the potential dangers to national security, sex workers in the United States think the "breach" argument is another form of discrimination against prostitutes."If the issue is attracting attention or bragging about being in the security detail, then it would be a problem if they brought in any outsider," said McNeill."If that's the case, then what difference does it make if she's a prostitute or an accountant?"

According to The New York Times, the incident was brought to light after one of the women failed to depart the hotel at 7 a. M, a policy for non-registered guests staying over. Hotel staff and police searched for her; they found her quarreling with an agent over her fee. She reportedly said they had agreed on an $800, but that the agent only offered her $30.

"I tell him, 'Baby, my cash money, '" the woman told the Times.

Colombian police officers argued on her behalf, while American officials tried to quell the situation. She was finally given $225, and left. But since the situation involved a foreign national, the police notified the Secret Service and USA Department of State.

Sex worker advocates say she was lucky to have gotten police support. And Norma Jean Almodovar, a retired prostitute and the founder of International Sex Worker Foundation for Art, Culture and Education, a non-profit organization, doubts the women in Colombia wanted the story to get out.

"Why would we want our clients to be arrested? They provide our living, they pay our rent," she said."Part of what we get paid for is discretion."

Nor are they at all surprised that the situation occurred in the first place."My friends and I have certainly seen our share of law enforcement officers and politicians," said Leigh."If they fired or arrested every man in government who ever saw a prostitute, there would not be anyone left to run it."

Indeed, politicians from both sides of the political aisle have gotten in trouble for sex scandals: In 2008, then New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer quit after his involvement with prostitutes went public. The previous year, Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias resigned after it was confirmed that he frequented a Washington, D. C, escort service.

Almodovar looks at it this way."On a scale of 1 to 10, if murder is the worst thing you can do to your fellow human, giving them an orgasm has to be one of the best things, unless one believes that giving or receiving sexual pleasure is a bad thing. Which I do not," she said."Why are so many people terrified of sex and sexual pleasure? I do not understand that at all."

Ilapp
04-30-12, 07:29
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26869953

Interesting, too much so when it comes on late just before you want to go to sleep. Can pick it up from Hulu and other places I'm sure. Too brief on facts but it also refutes claim that sex trafficking is the issue in the oldest profession that many, including our local saviors of our souls, want to profess. Looks more like a gloss piece, than hard news, and the section on the one hour GFE part of the business was so brief you would miss it if you blink. It will never replace Andy Griffith reruns but not bad and good for discussion points

B Beall
04-30-12, 08:53
This, as the "news excuse" for the sniggering juvenile sexuality behind such coverage, just kills me. Secret Service agents are paid by the government. That means everything they ever spend money on is "at taxpayer expense"? And every time a sailor hires a hooker?

There are two hundred members of the Indiana General Assembly, and who knows how many aides and clerical workers, all paid for by the taxpayers of this state. How much time was spent "crafting" that "enhancement" of child sex trafficking laws? It netted-supposedly-one charge, based on the say so of two 19-year-olds who'd been popped on Class A misdemeanor soliciting charges. (I do hope the state found them good foster homes.) The distinction is that instead of being charged with felony procurement, under the existing law, he could be charged with felony child-procurement, because the women told police they were under 16 when they started. Anybody think that's going to be pursued at trial? In front of a jury?

How many police man hours went into that, and how much energy was spent trying to turn an arrest into a child-sex headline, to justify all the attention paid to what was already clearly recognized as an urban myth? How much did we pay the Prosecutor and the top brass to attend seminars conducted by national anti-sex crusaders? And that's not officials spending their income on off-duty pursuits; that's what we received for our money.

We never ask the cost of being a nation of perpetual adolescents about sex.

Ilapp
04-30-12, 09:15
Maybe we will have a real discussion here, and I knew that one line would draw you out of the weeds old friend. Oh, and thanks for asking the girls are doing great, safely esconced in ilapps home for wayward, but of legal age, youths. Amazing the things the state will fund isn't it?

Seriously though, the claims made about trafficking can be counter-claimed by more reliable fact and less emotion, as you have noted before, but it makes so little fodder if you are a socially conservative public servant seeking election / re-election at some point. Wait, if they are public servants, does that not mean we the public have just engaged in trafficking of some sort, one more reason to look over our shoulder, eh? Obviously a simple answer would never work, it doesn't generate enough chaos around itself to make it profitable to those in charge, irregardless of the currency they are looking for, but there has to be a better solution no matter how convoluted it winds up. Unfortunately I doubt even that unsatisfactory result will happen in my lifetime.

Best Swimmer
04-30-12, 14:44
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/26/bands-and-pop-singers-join-fight-against-backpage-com-ads/

More than a dozen prominent pop singers and rock bands have joined a campaign aimed at forcing The Village Voice to stop running ads on Backpage. Com for escorts, strip-clubs and other 'adult services, ' a publicist for the campaign said. The list of bands who have signed a petition against the ads includes the former members of R. E. M and the members of the Roots, Alabama Shakes, the Civil Wars and Drive-By Truckers. Among the singers who have lent their support are Alicia Keys, Rosanne Cash and Talib Kweli.

Village Voice Media, whose 13 weeklies include The Village Voice, Westword and Phoenix New Times, has been under fire for eight months for continuing to run the ads, which critics say lead to the exploitation of minors. Last August the country's 51 attorneys general sent a letter demanding that the company close down the adults section on its Backpage. Com, much of it related to the sex trade.

A coalition of about 600 religious leaders have also gone after the company. The group was organized by Groundswell, an interfaith social justice group sponsored by the Auburn Seminary in New York, which ran a full page ad in The New York Times last year that was signed by clergy from all faiths and cited the arrests of adults who had sold minors for sex using Backpage. Com. 'It is a basic fact of the moral universe that girls and boys should not be sold for sex, ' the ad said.

Since then, a petition against the site started on the Web site Change. Org has gathered 225, 000 signatures, and several national brands, among them AT&T and American Airlines, have dropped advertising in the media company's publications.

The musicians who are joining the fray have begun using their Facebook pages and Twitter accounts to generate support for the campaign. Mike Mills, the former bassist for R. E. M, said in a statement that the fact that musicians who admire the Voice's coverage of popular music are complaining 'should send a clear message to the company that it needs to take action to ensure no child is sexually exploited through use of its site. '

The principals of Village Voice Media – Jim Larkin and Michael Lacey – have said the company spends millions to reject ads that feature minors and has worked with law enforcement officials and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to make sure the 'adult' section only includes adults

Best Swimmer
04-30-12, 14:48
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/world/americas/colombian-escort-speaks-about-secret-service-scandal.html?_r=3

Best Swimmer
04-30-12, 14:55
http://www.texasgoldengirl.com/afterhours/secret-service-prostitution/

Just legalize it already. It would stop soooo many problems!

B Beall
05-01-12, 16:25
http://therandomfact.com/report-estimates-that-pornography-accounts-for-30-of-global-internet-traffic/2211147/

And there's considerably more time spent there than at other sites:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/123929-just-how-big-are-porn-sites

I used to point out to people that the only way you hear sex covered on the news is Disease, Death, Violence and Revenge. You never hear a guy say "I was going to kill my boss, but I got laid last night and now I feel great." There's an unspoken and un-voted-upon agreement that "seriousness" is reserved for whatever makes money or kills people. If a van Gogh or a bottle of wine from Thomas Jefferson's collection sells for a record price, it might get blurbed by Brian Williams. A wildly erotic four-hour threesome, or a page-view record on a porn site? No. (Okay, so it's not news. Did anyone defend the Secret Service and military personnel on the grounds that "it was harmless fun, and sex is good for you"? Not in the mass-market media.)

I don't blame anyone for being concerned about exploitation. I wish we all would be; realistically, I hope that most of us wouldn't condone exploitation of a child or an adult. But, again, if you're really concerned about child exploitation then your primary focus should be on agribusiness, not BP.

B Beall
05-13-12, 19:13
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/13/an_uneasy_backpage_alliance/singleton/

Read the comments.

Davidonecall
05-13-12, 20:00
I need to find another source like BP because I know is a matter of time that BP will follow their demands.


http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/26/bands-and-pop-singers-join-fight-against-backpage-com-ads/

More than a dozen prominent pop singers and rock bands have joined a campaign aimed at forcing The Village Voice to stop running ads on Backpage. Com for escorts, strip-clubs and other 'adult services, ' a publicist for the campaign said. The list of bands who have signed a petition against the ads includes the former members of R. E. M and the members of the Roots, Alabama Shakes, the Civil Wars and Drive-By Truckers. Among the singers who have lent their support are Alicia Keys, Rosanne Cash and Talib Kweli.

Village Voice Media, whose 13 weeklies include The Village Voice, Westword and Phoenix New Times, has been under fire for eight months for continuing to run the ads, which critics say lead to the exploitation of minors. Last August the country's 51 attorneys general sent a letter demanding that the company close down the adults section on its Backpage. Com, much of it related to the sex trade.

A coalition of about 600 religious leaders have also gone after the company. The group was organized by Groundswell, an interfaith social justice group sponsored by the Auburn Seminary in New York, which ran a full page ad in The New York Times last year that was signed by clergy from all faiths and cited the arrests of adults who had sold minors for sex using Backpage. Com. 'It is a basic fact of the moral universe that girls and boys should not be sold for sex, ' the ad said.

Since then, a petition against the site started on the Web site Change. Org has gathered 225, 000 signatures, and several national brands, among them AT&T and American Airlines, have dropped advertising in the media company's publications.

The musicians who are joining the fray have begun using their Facebook pages and Twitter accounts to generate support for the campaign. Mike Mills, the former bassist for R. E. M, said in a statement that the fact that musicians who admire the Voice's coverage of popular music are complaining 'should send a clear message to the company that it needs to take action to ensure no child is sexually exploited through use of its site. '

The principals of Village Voice Media – Jim Larkin and Michael Lacey – have said the company spends millions to reject ads that feature minors and has worked with law enforcement officials and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to make sure the 'adult' section only includes adults

Best Swimmer
05-13-12, 22:40
I need to find another source like BP because I know is a matter of time that BP will follow their demands.I agree about BP!

I'm still on a site in Florida that's UTR, you have to be invited in. NO, I don't use the name of it. Then you get verified by someone that's already been verified. Indiana needs one like it. It's very safe! Even if a hobbyist is verified but is an asshole, he gets kicked out. If a provider is verified but gives bad service. She gets kicked out. So nobody has to worry about anything, providers OR hobbyist! It's set up very good with forums for Uncle LEO / Legal 411, News & Announcements, Introductions & Welcome, Safety & Security, Sexuality, Health & Sensual Wellness, Field Work Where hobbyist talk about new provider that may want to join,

Resources, Recommendations Here & Abroad, Providers Ads and a LOT more. I'm able to set up a basic website but nothing like what I'm talking about. A puter geek is needed. It would be nice if someone here could do it or know someone.

One of the best things about it is nothing inside the site will come up on Google. A lot of UTR providers are on there because of that.

TheDistance
05-14-12, 08:40
There's a local automotive site that operates exactly the same way. By invitation only, vouched for by existing members, vetted to some degree, be an ass and you're gone, talk about things on that site to someone not on it and you're gone, etc. The existence of the site is known, what's on it generally isn't. It's really not that hard to setup something like a UBB bulletinboard like this one, there just has to be a way to foot the bill for the site and bandwidth, and someone has to be willing to basically donate the time to admin it. If there is no public access then Google et al can't crawl it.

I would definitely contribute to the cause in terms of financial support and technical guidance (I've ran a big web site before). However, I definitely don't have the time to admin something like that at this point.

Best Swimmer
05-14-12, 22:39
There's a local automotive site that operates exactly the same way. By invitation only, vouched for by existing members, vetted to some degree, be an ass and you're gone, talk about things on that site to someone not on it and you're gone, etc. The existence of the site is known, what's on it generally isn't. It's really not that hard to setup something like a UBB bulletinboard like this one, there just has to be a way to foot the bill for the site and bandwidth, and someone has to be willing to basically donate the time to admin it. If there is no public access then Google et al can't crawl it.

I would definitely contribute to the cause in terms of financial support and technical guidance (I've ran a big web site before). However, I definitely don't have the time to admin something like that at this point.Providers give the owner free service 1 time and the hobbyist donate $ per year. So it's worth it to the owner. A few long time members help, keep an eye on it and it has 4 or 5 moderators. Hell, this last year even a fund was set up to help a provider if she was busted.

For legal defense. And there are several lawyers on it but of course they want to trade the provider for services.

Best Swimmer
05-28-12, 17:52
http://stdcarriers.com/crime/hiv-prostitution-2.aspx

B Beall
05-28-12, 21:34
http://www.indystar.com/article/D2/20120524/NEWS/305240073/Nationwide-sex-trafficking-ring-uncovered-Iowa-used-Backpage-com-ads?odyssey=obinsite


Nationwide sex trafficking ring uncovered in Iowa; used Backpage. Com ads.

IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — A nationwide sex trafficking ring run by a violent pimp and his associates used Backpage. Com to solicit customers for prostitutes as young as age 17, advertising the women as "smokin' hot babes," according to a federal indictment recently unsealed in Iowa.

A 50-page indictment alleges a New Jersey man used coercion and violence to force women between 17 and 21 to act as his sex workers between November 2009 and June 2011, when investigators broke up the ring during a sting operation at a hotel in Omaha.

[His alleged assistant] has been released on a $5, 000 bond, and is scheduled to make an initial appearance in Council Bluffs, Iowa next week. Her attorney did not immediately return a phone message.

The two are charged in Iowa because Des Moines was a site where the ring did business on at least four occasions, sometimes holing up in an Econo Lodge near Interstate 35, the indictment says.So:

"Nationwide" sex ring based in Little Rock is brought down by single bust in Omaha. Ringleader brought to Iowa to face four trafficking charges. Presumably because Iowa law makes it easier to get a conviction.

No Federal trafficking charges. Looks like they really tapped the Mother Lode on this one; maybe they brought in the Ghost of Elliot Ness. Note the emphasis on the girl "as young as" 17. Meaning she was over the age of consent in Arkansas (as well as Iowa, and Nebraska).

Personally, I have no truck with traffickers, or anyone too young to know what she was doing; if I suspected someone I saw was being coerced I'd leave, after trying to convince her to seek help. But like the vast majority of hobbyists that's not my experience. The women I've met were independent adults who entered into our agreements willingly. Some may've done so under economic duress; if the citizens of Iowa would like to take the lead in combatting that evil I'll be right behind them.

But no one's going to convince me that whoever took that stenography was innocent or gullible or stupid enough to believe it. This is part of a very well-financed (and tax-free) Get BP effort.

Best Swimmer
05-29-12, 06:11
http://michaelbluejay.com/police/arrest.html

Best Swimmer
05-29-12, 06:12
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-24/craigslist-prostitution-ads-resurface-in-some-places-study-says.html

Best Swimmer
05-29-12, 07:00
While not in the USA, there's some good info for providers here. A lot of providers read this site, just don't post here.

http://www.saafe.info/index.html

B Beall
05-30-12, 14:22
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-24/craigslist-prostitution-ads-resurface-in-some-places-study-says.htmlFirst, in an industry where even someone caught red-handed is described as an "alleged" perpetrator of an "alleged" crime, here suspect ads-categorized, never described or quoted-are simplly announced as involving prostitution, by fiat of the writer. (This isn't accidental or sloppy; there aren't any editors at Bloomberg who don't know precisely what they can or can't get away with without risk of being sued. They-or the AIM Group LLC, whose report the story was based on-could have quoted suspicious ads directly, but then they would have lost the ability to say "Prostitute" and get away with it.)

Second, the AIM Group, LLC, is a market research operation that serves the online classified ad industry. Certainly a potential for conflict of interest, especially when the charges made are generic and inflammatory, not factual. (I'm still looking for the original report. It may be behind a paywall).

And while Bloomberg might not view Craigslist as competition, it sure does the New York Times, which owns About. Com. About was quoted in the article as saying escort ads were from third-party vendors, and not their own; twenty minutes after the story broke it announced it was pulling the ads.

Just a reminder: we're talking about protected speech, not criminal activity. Maybe Bloomberg and AIM are simply reporting the news. And maybe not. But the people behind this are engaged in nothing short of strong-arm tactics and taxpayer-funded extortion.

B Beall
05-30-12, 14:32
http://aimgroup.com/clients/2010/05/14/craigslist-adult-ads-work-too-well-womens-funding-network/


For the Georgia study ads were placed on Craigslist and other sites where men typically look for adolescent prostitutes. As a result of covertly questioning the men, study participants found that 47 percent of them still wanted to continue with the transaction after three warnings that the girls were under age.I'd like to announce the results of my recent study of phony adolescent prostitution ads placed in Georgia: 100% of the researchers believed whatever I told them, so long as it corresponded to their own agenda.

I admit I was educated in a previous century, but we used to called studies designed this way "pieces of equine dung". Today I believe the accepted term is "Money".

Frey Guy
05-31-12, 15:35
http://aimgroup.com/clients/2010/05/14/craigslist-adult-ads-work-too-well-womens-funding-network/

I'd like to announce the results of my recent study of phony adolescent prostitution ads placed in Georgia: 100% of the researchers believed whatever I told them, so long as it corresponded to their own agenda.

I admit I was educated in a previous century, but we used to called studies designed this way "pieces of equine dung". Today I believe the accepted term is "Money"."For the Georgia study ads were placed On Craigslist and other sites where men typically look for adolescent prostitutes. As a result of covertly questioning the men, study participants found that 47 percent Of them still wanted to continue with the transaction after three warnings that the girls were under age."

Okay, I'm confused. If you put ads up in places where people look for something in particular (I. E. Under age prostitutes) , don't you think they're still going to want to buy it, even when told what it is? I mean if I went to a Toyota dealership looking for a Toyota, don't you think I'd still want to buy one, even after being warned that it's a Toyota? Just seems a bit self-satisfying to me. (And not the kind of self-satisfying you're thinking about.) Seriously, these researchers should stand on a street corner with a bag of coke, and warn everyone that tries to buy from them that it's illegal. They'd probably find more than 47% would still want to "continue with the transaction."

B Beall
05-31-12, 21:44
okay, i'm confused. if you put ads up in places where people look for something in particular (i. e. under age prostitutes) , don't you think they're still going to want to buy it, even when told what it is?here's the study.

http://afuturenotapast.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/the-schapiro-group-georgia-demand-study.pdf

there's no suggestion the thing has been published by, or submitted to, peer-reviewed journals, and it appears to've been conducted by a marketing research group. the methodology is complete bunkum; it wouldn't survive five minutes' review. just for starters, they have no idea who the respondents are, or whether any of the answers they received were true, or what percentage, if any, were actually serious about contacting an escort. more to the point, they never offered anyone a date with an **** girl. but they draw "scientific" conclusions from this.

i know this isn't everyone's cup of tea, but i remind you that this is how esdotcom got raided, it's why cl ended escort ads, and it's how they're hounding bp now. it's the same source as the great international **** rolling brothel which was coming to indy for the super bowl. this is where your right to free speech disappears down the anti-sex agenda, supported by legal brute force.

they ran ads in various venues which pictured quote unquote young girls, accompanied by text suggestive of that age group. they specifically avoided explicitly ****d pictures or text *because that would get the ads yanked* which should be the end of the story.

instead there's a clearly intentional confusion of "child" "adolescent" and "under 18". when men called the operator-actually the "highly-trained interviewer"-they were pumped, you should pardon the expression, for demographic information, then, at the end of the call, the operator would say about the girl pictured in the ad:

1) we're talking about the really young girl, right?

2) she doesn't look like she's 18.

3) i don't believe this girl is actually 18, and i have no reason to believe she is.

that's the point at which they claim 42% of respondents wanted to go ahead anyway. proof of widespread child sex slavery. (the fact that 9% of the calls came from the airport area was proof that atlanta was an international child sex ring tourist spot, or something.)

now, let's forget, to begin with, that any hobbyist in his right mind who heard a booker talking like that would smell a leo-sized rat. and never mind that nobody's committed any illegal acts here. only 6% of the men expressed a preference for "adolescents", undefined by age-this is after they'd seen a picture of the not child or early teen in the ad-and none of them, presumably, was being offered sexual acts in exchange for money, just the standard companionship. none was looking for an actual child to prey upon, at least not according to the methodology. furthermore, the age of consent in georgia is 16, not 18; unless there's something written into the atlanta solicitation code (that's where the study was done; they then extrapolate from the largest metro area in the state to the entire male population) soliciting sex with a 16 year old is no more illegal than sex with a 20, or 30, or 40 year old. perhaps these groups should be fighting that. but of course they won't. they're not opposed to child bride economic slavery, just so long as the church is involved.

this was specifically designed to generate the sort of results they got, which are worthless scientifically, but valuable politically. what these people are up to should be at least a big a story as the non-existent results from indiana's big super bowl child sex crackdown.

Best Swimmer
06-02-12, 23:01
Thanks for the post. An interesting read.

Best Swimmer
06-03-12, 15:27
http://www.omaha.com/article/20120531/NEWS97/709049960

Best Swimmer
06-03-12, 15:29
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/gold-plated-vibrator-stolen_n_1564686.html?ir=Crime&ref=topbar

Best Swimmer
06-03-12, 15:31
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/02/12028468-cops-couples-wrong-number-call-to-officer-leads-to-prostitution-arrests?lite

B Beall
06-04-12, 07:15
http://www.omaha.com/article/20120531/news97/709049960the taxpayers of omaha got off cheap. i'd spent over 5 grand before the girls would introduce me to mr. big.

for that matter, how much did the citizens of indianapolis spend-or the state of indiana spend on that carefully crafted anti-trafficking legislation-in order to nab two **** 19-year-olds?

Cain88
06-06-12, 13:49
But isn't there a good punch line in there somewhere?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19270755/spoelstra-death-of-chris-boshs-masseuse-an-absolute-tragedy

Fudge1
06-06-12, 17:11
the taxpayers of omaha got off cheap. i'd spent over 5 grand before the girls would introduce me to mr. big.

for that matter, how much did the citizens of indianapolis spend-or the state of indiana spend on that carefully crafted anti-trafficking legislation-in order to nab two **** 19-year-olds?i'd like to have that job.

ShyOldGuy
06-11-12, 22:03
Saw this online as I was looking for an earlier report I saw this morning. 15 y/o and yet the control others into sex slaves. And they initiated it all by meeting on FB or something else just like it.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/crime/2012/06/11/dnt-teen-girls-charged-with-sex-trafficking.cbc

The Feds teamed up with locals to do this raid just like they did in KC 5 or 6 years ago.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/international/2012/06/11/cfp-gutierrez-asian-sex-slave.cnn#/video/international/2012/06/11/cfp-gutierrez-asian-sex-slave.cnn

Be safe and play smart

Best Swimmer
07-03-12, 23:50
A new study with old results.

184636

Best Swimmer
07-19-12, 14:27
In Akron, Ohio a panhandler is drawing a lot of attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anxgdi9XsBY&feature=youtu.be

Best Swimmer
07-19-12, 14:28
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Man-with-world-s-biggest-penis-stopped-by-3715000.php#ixzz21114M8um

Best Swimmer
07-19-12, 14:33
http://postwhoreamerica.com/the-problem-with-the-other-problem-with-sex-trafficking/

B Beall
07-21-12, 10:35
http://postwhoreamerica.com/the-problem-with-the-other-problem-with-sex-trafficking/I like Melissa Gira Grant, and I've added her to my bookmarks.

People here ought to understand that the battle over BP advertising is their fight. Just as we all should be demanding to know where the thousand-count indictment against edotcom is after almost two years. It's important that everyone understand that this campaign is not a genuine concern over the plight of abused children, and not even an argument over freedom of the Press, but an anti-sex crusade that seeks to make all commercial sex interactions more dangerous, and more subject to the capriciousness and corruption of local officials and the bigotry of Bronze Age superstitionists.

On the other hand: I may live in a glorified cornfield, but from my perspective it's not anti-sex feminists, moveon. Org, or REM who are advancing this agenda and bankrolling its propaganda machine. It wasn't the all-powerful Marxist lobby that wrote Indiana's Poorly Written and Just in Time for the Super Bowl sex trafficking law addendum. It wasn't Che Guevara who spoke to the brass from IMPD and the Indianapolis Prosecutor's Office. It's anti-sex religious organizations, evangelical and Roman Catholic, who are pushing their anti-human strictures (which apply to everyone else, not themselves, and especially not their own clergy) using their tax-exempt licensed begging expertise. We need to make sure that the voice of sanity is heard. But, with all due respect to Ms Grant, the people lining up to protest in front of the Village Voice offices are not the people who are pushing the agenda here, where the laws, and the Law, is becoming more aggressive all the time.

Best Swimmer
07-27-12, 15:46
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/un-commission-calls-legalizing-prostitution-worldwide

Eric41
07-27-12, 22:49
Can't be happy more if UN could make it. Brazil is legal, so easy to control HIV. Indy IMPD won't short manpower this year. Pimp could be kick out this industry. Rate could be lower due to market supply. Win-win game.


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/un-commission-calls-legalizing-prostitution-worldwide

Best Swimmer
07-29-12, 00:28
Can't be happy more if UN could make it. Brazil is legal, so easy to control HIV. Indy IMPD won't short manpower this year. Pimp could be kick out this industry. Rate could be lower due to market supply. Win-win game.I don't think it will pass. I just think it would be great if it did. Canada is legal also

PillowTalk69
07-29-12, 06:51
Providers in Canada can not legally do incalls but some do anyway. Nor can they solicit on the streets or in casinos but they do that also. Out call is the only legal activity in Canada. By law they must come to the client.

B Beall
07-29-12, 08:11
Rate could be lower due to market supply. Win-win game.Even assuming every state and municipality in this country suddenly decided to listen to the hated UN we'll all be riding ice cream ponies before the supply of pussy outstrips the demand. It's difficult to imagine why hobbyists, of all people, cling to this idea.

First, the great brake on commercial sexual activity isn't the law, or law enforcement, it's social norms.

Second, unfettered access to services implies unfettered access to markets. Providers would have the ability to advertise in the mainstream, and so increase demand (or, more precisely, reach the demand that's already, and naturally, there).

Third, and most important: it's not a job that any woman could do; it's not even a job that most women who do can understand or do well. It's possible that legalization would glut the market in 18-year-old BP pirates (are there really too few fake pics out there to choose from now?). Similarly, a complete relaxation of regulation would bring a hundred new bourbons to the market, and 99 of them would be antifreeze. And Booker Noe's would still be $60 a bottle, because there are plenty of people out there who can tell the difference and are willing to pay for quality.

B Beall
07-29-12, 08:12
I don't think it will pass. I just think it would be great if it did. Canada is legal alsoWell, there's no sense comparing us to the rest of the Western world. We're special.

Hotforty
07-29-12, 12:21
True, Beall, true.

But most days I am thinking we are "short bus" special.


Well, there's no sense comparing us to the rest of the Western world. We're special.

Wulfgar
07-29-12, 15:06
Even assuming every state and municipality in this country suddenly decided to listen to the hated UN we'll all be riding ice cream ponies before the supply of pussy outstrips the demand. It's difficult to imagine why hobbyists, of all people, cling to this idea.

First, the great brake on commercial sexual activity isn't the law, or law enforcement, it's social norms.

Second, unfettered access to services implies unfettered access to markets. Providers would have the ability to advertise in the mainstream, and so increase demand (or, more precisely, reach the demand that's already, and naturally, there).

Third, and most important: it's not a job that any woman could do; it's not even a job that most women who do can understand or do well. It's possible that legalization would glut the market in 18-year-old BP pirates (are there really too few fake pics out there to choose from now?). Similarly, a complete relaxation of regulation would bring a hundred new bourbons to the market, and 99 of them would be antifreeze. And Booker Noe's would still be $60 a bottle, because there are plenty of people out there who can tell the difference and are willing to pay for quality.I don't know. It's legal (sort of) in Amsterdam, and at least in the main red light district, there are plenty of very good looking young women available, all at about $60 for FS. Sure, it's not GFE, but in my various trips I have had the opportunity to be with women that would be easily charging $300 on up here.

Once the market is open, you'll find all sorts of people (men, as well as women) will take jobs in the field to make easy money. If you take out the risk of arrest and the ability to appeal to law enforcement to actual protect the providers from violence, instead of perpetrating more violence on them as they do now, people that wouldn't consider it now, would change their minds.

Strip Junkie
07-29-12, 20:00
I sort of wonder if the thrill of doing something illegal is a draw for some hobbyists and also for some providers. Might lose a couple of each if it became legal. I do think that demand would go up tho, but I also think that supply would grow faster, especially with the high cost of college tuition and the shortage of good paying jobs.

Indydude
07-29-12, 20:49
Providers in Canada can not legally do incalls but some do anyway. Nor can they solicit on the streets or in casinos but they do that also. Out call is the only legal activity in Canada. By law they must come to the client.Yeah tell that to the bunches of "legal" massage parlors in Mississauga with playboy type employees who are very open. Best massage experiences of my life. The locals call them Rub 'and Tugs.

FqIdiot
07-31-12, 08:53
I don't know. It's legal (sort of) in Amsterdam, and at least in the main red light district, there are plenty of very good looking young women available, all at about $60 for FS. Sure, it's not GFE, but in my various trips I have had the opportunity to be with women that would be easily charging $300 on up here.

Once the market is open, you'll find all sorts of people (men, as well as women) will take jobs in the field to make easy money. If you take out the risk of arrest and the ability to appeal to law enforcement to actual protect the providers from violence, instead of perpetrating more violence on them as they do now, people that wouldn't consider it now, would change their minds.Having spent my fair share of time in that fine old city I will agree that by looks alone there are some that could fetch some high end prices here. However, the second you walk in their little glass door and up the stairs to their hard little bed, the clock starts and if you can't finish inside of 15 minutes oh well. And then you're out another 50 euro to purchase another 15 minutes. And I have not been with one over there that actually acted like they were anything other than a tool for getting off. Given the number of people I saw going into and out of the best looking girls doors, I opted to avoid continuing that escapade. Take a number please, yes you are #56 for the day, get over it, finish fast so that I can service #57.

Is it me or would legalization take away some of fun? I pass on a ton of girls that I would visit if I knew it was 'legal', and base my visits on solid intel and shared knowledge. If anyone can do it, we're going to have everyone doing it, few reviews outside the normal girls, and more disease / ripoffs imo. The providers that are known to be safe will still get the business and those that can't prove they won't rob you or have no reviews will still face the uphill challenge they face today.

Ichthyologist
07-31-12, 22:18
I don't mean to butt into this conversation abruptly. I've lurked the board for a few years, window shopping. However I have been to Holland so I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. I don't think it would be like Amsterdam here if laws were reformed. The red light district is sort of a tourist trap, so it's more about quickies. If you're willing to do a little homework, you can find better options. There are review boards in Dutch fairly similar to this one, except there is no need to hide anything. I found it very liberating. You know- to actually be able to find out exactly what services are available and explain yourself without fear. If the same thing were here, would I partake more? Hell yes. I'd love to walk down the street for a lunchtime head job on pay day, are you kidding me?

Somehow, the Dutch go about their normal, daily lives despite these constant temptations of sin. It's kind of funny really. I traveled around a lot of "normal" Dutch towns and most of it felt very family-friendly. The "brothels" were extremely discreet, with tall hedges in front and very discreet signage, more like an office (it's much more fun inside. Never have I gotten laid in such classy digs before). As far as cost, it was about the same as going rates here. By my estimation I would say there was neither a glut of supply or excess demand.


Having spent my fair share of time in that fine old city I will agree that by looks alone there are some that could fetch some high end prices here. However, the second you walk in their little glass door and up the stairs to their hard little bed, the clock starts and if you can't finish inside of 15 minutes oh well. And then you're out another 50 euro to purchase another 15 minutes. And I have not been with one over there that actually acted like they were anything other than a tool for getting off. Given the number of people I saw going into and out of the best looking girls doors, I opted to avoid continuing that escapade. Take a number please, yes you are #56 for the day, get over it, finish fast so that I can service #57.

Is it me or would legalization take away some of fun? I pass on a ton of girls that I would visit if I knew it was 'legal', and base my visits on solid intel and shared knowledge. If anyone can do it, we're going to have everyone doing it, few reviews outside the normal girls, and more disease / ripoffs imo. The providers that are known to be safe will still get the business and those that can't prove they won't rob you or have no reviews will still face the uphill challenge they face today.

Best Swimmer
08-09-12, 14:50
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7123396

Iamindyjo
08-09-12, 21:16
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7123396There is no date on the article.

Best Swimmer
08-09-12, 23:36
There is no date on the article.Go to the bottom of the page. Headlines, click Indians Wilson pitches Dates Aug 9 2012 That's what I was going by, but your right no date on the link posted.

Indy Tourist
08-12-12, 20:50
I remember reading this over a year ago. The headlines at the bottom change daily.


http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7123396

B Beall
08-13-12, 09:08
I remember reading this over a year ago.Part of the run up to the Super Bowl, then. I'm sure those streets are much cleaner today.

How obliging the local news is. The anti-sex people slipped some tax-exempt cash to the powers that be; next thing you know the locals are concerned about the near eastside. Until February.

Anybody remember the big exposé of high-end providers? Anybody remember all the arrests of out-of-towners at the Marriott? Yeah, me neither. I swear, if dishonesty was flammable we'd never need oil.

Best Swimmer
08-20-12, 23:54
http://business.avn.com/articles/legal/The-Rights-You-Don-t-Know-You-Have-485672.html

Best Swimmer
08-26-12, 02:20
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/08/24/20120824backpage-ads-prostitution-asu.html

Best Swimmer
08-26-12, 02:24
http://www.businessinsider.com/experts-most-prostitution-laws-arent-enough-to-prosecute-websites-2012-8

B Beall
08-31-12, 15:53
http://news.yahoo.com/man-complains-police-prostitute-price-hike-143257147.html

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) — Police in southeast Michigan say a man called to complain that a woman he had agreed to pay for sex unexpectedly increased the price.

AnnArbor. Com reports (

http://bit.ly/Rw4Wcl

) that police were called to an Ann Arbor home late Wednesday on a report of a robbery. Police say the 45-year-old man and a 19-year-old Ohio woman he contacted online had agreed on a price, but that the man claimed she upped the cost after taking his money.

Police say the woman was arrested. The man wasn't taken into custody.

According to investigators, the man and woman gave vastly different accounts of what happened. The case is under investigation and prosecutors will determine any possible charges.

RedLake40
08-31-12, 21:39
http://news.yahoo.com/man-complains-police-prostitute-price-hike-143257147.html

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) — Police in southeast Michigan say a man called to complain that a woman he had agreed to pay for sex unexpectedly increased the price.

AnnArbor. Com reports (

http://bit.ly/Rw4Wcl

) that police were called to an Ann Arbor home late Wednesday on a report of a robbery. Police say the 45-year-old man and a 19-year-old Ohio woman he contacted online had agreed on a price, but that the man claimed she upped the cost after taking his money.

Police say the woman was arrested. The man wasn't taken into custody.

According to investigators, the man and woman gave vastly different accounts of what happened. The case is under investigation and prosecutors will determine any possible charges.Thanks, B. I just shot coffee out of my nose while reading your post. I'm calling the police on you now.

Looking for napkins and Mentholatum,

Red

B Beall
09-03-12, 08:20
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/08/24/20120824backpage-ads-prostitution-asu.html"nearly 80 percent of the ads posted on the adult-services section of the classified website backpage. com are for prostitutes, according to an arizona state university research project that studied content posted on the site during a week in may."

i was on the third page of my google search to find the actual study when i found peter zollman at aim group.

http://aimgroup.com/2012/08/28/study-finds-prostitution-ads-on-backpage/

"the research has not been published, or even written up informally, by the research team, which was led by dominique roe-sepowitz, a ph. d. professor of forensic social work at the asu school of social work. (thus we can't link to the study.)"

so, two pages worth of media reports on the "study" before you find anyone notes the thing hasn't been published, let alone peer-reviewed, or even written up (!). just passed along to a friendly reporter at arizona republic, apparently.

although i'm sure that, as befits a major public research university in the american southwest, the strictest empirical standards were observed:

"the research project drew on the expertise of law-enforcement officers to identify prostitution ads based on certain commonly used words and phrases"

in other words, what the "study" actually found is that 80% of the ads they looked at contained buzzwords which might have attracted the attention of the ppd, if it wasn't so busy helping write the press releases of spurious academic studies of the problem that week.

zollman:

"how did they define prostitution ads? [professor dominique] roe-sepowitz told the aim group the researchers, who were trained in part by phoenix police, rated the ads as prostitution offers if they included several of the following indicators:

• sexually suggestive photos.

• 'language that is typical to prostitution and sex work, things like in-call and outcall'

• reviews that linked to escort-rating sites.

• photos of certain body parts, such as breasts or buttocks,

• people 'bent over in sexual positions'

• suggestive language, 'things like the word 'juicy. '

ask any monger. you see any of those in a bp ad and you're guaranteed full service.

let's leave aside the question of the legal definition of prostitution in phoenix for a moment, as well as the methodology for sorting out duplicate ads. and let's assume that the cooperative folks at ppd let researchers know which of the ads were leos. any real accomplishments?

"the researchers also looked for indicators that individuals in the ads were minors, and they reported 88 ads to phoenix police as potentially including minors. indicators for ads with minors included things like physical and developmental issues in photos; a teddy bear in a photo; knee-high socks or photos that were trying to indicate the subject was young. in those cases, roe-sepowitz reviewed the ads personally, and if she felt they were representative of minors, reported them to the phoenix vice squad. two minors were rescued from prostitution by police, she said."

congratulations, doc! you did better than the whole of central indiana law enforcement during the run-up to the super bowl. of course, their reporting was restricted to "****" girls, not "minors", whatever that meant. nice to hear about the success in "rescuing" the girls, too. placed in good homes, were they? or given jobs as arizona state researchers?

B Beall
09-03-12, 08:26
Republicans call for crackdown on pornography.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/28/uk-usa-campaign-porn-idUSLNE87R00520120828

"Republicans have added language to their official platform that anti-smut activists said would encourage the federal government to step up prosecution of pornography involving adults.

'Current laws on all forms of pornography and obscenity need to be vigorously enforced, ' the platform says, according to a draft obtained by Reuters. Republicans are planning a Tuesday vote on the document, a nonbinding statement of principles that tackles everything from monetary policy to abortion.

Though previous Republican platforms have called for increased prosecution of child pornography, this appears to be the first time that the party has called for a crackdown on sexually explicit material involving adults. A multi-billion-dollar industry.

Anti-pornography activist Patrick Trueman said the language in the Republican platform would bolster a broader push against the type of sexually explicit material that is sold by convenience stores, by hotels via pay-per-view television programming, and satellite and cable TV providers.

The widespread availability of Internet pornography has made it harder for a generation of young men to find intimacy with their wives, he said.

'It's a growing problem for men in their 20s, ' Trueman said. 'It's changed the way their brain maps have developed. This is the way they get sexually excited. '"

Ilapp
09-03-12, 09:35
"nearly 80 percent of the ads posted on the adult-services section of the classified website backpage. com are for prostitutes, according to an arizona state university research project that studied content posted on the site during a week in may."

i was on the third page of my google search to find the actual study when i found peter zollman at aim group.

http://aimgroup.com/2012/08/28/study-finds-prostitution-ads-on-backpage/

"the research has not been published, or even written up informally, by the research team, which was led by dominique roe-sepowitz, a ph. d. professor of forensic social work at the asu school of social work. (thus we can't link to the study.)"

so, two pages worth of media reports on the "study" before you find anyone notes the thing hasn't been published, let alone peer-reviewed, or even written up (!). just passed along to a friendly reporter at arizona republic, apparently.

although i'm sure that, as befits a major public research university in the american southwest, the strictest empirical standards were observed:

"the research project drew on the expertise of law-enforcement officers to identify prostitution ads based on certain commonly used words and phrases"

in other words, what the "study" actually found is that 80% of the ads they looked at contained buzzwords which might have attracted the attention of the ppd, if it wasn't so busy helping write the press releases of spurious academic studies of the problem that week.

zollman:

"how did they define prostitution ads? [professor dominique] roe-sepowitz told the aim group the researchers, who were trained in part by phoenix police, rated the ads as prostitution offers if they included several of the following indicators:

• sexually suggestive photos.

• 'language that is typical to prostitution and sex work, things like in-call and outcall'

• reviews that linked to escort-rating sites.

• photos of certain body parts, such as breasts or buttocks,

• people 'bent over in sexual positions'

• suggestive language, 'things like the word 'juicy. '

ask any monger. you see any of those in a bp ad and you're guaranteed full service.

let's leave aside the question of the legal definition of prostitution in phoenix for a moment, as well as the methodology for sorting out duplicate ads. and let's assume that the cooperative folks at ppd let researchers know which of the ads were leos. any real accomplishments?

"the researchers also looked for indicators that individuals in the ads were minors, and they reported 88 ads to phoenix police as potentially including minors. indicators for ads with minors included things like physical and developmental issues in photos; a teddy bear in a photo; knee-high socks or photos that were trying to indicate the subject was young. in those cases, roe-sepowitz reviewed the ads personally, and if she felt they were representative of minors, reported them to the phoenix vice squad. two minors were rescued from prostitution by police, she said."

congratulations, doc! you did better than the whole of central indiana law enforcement during the run-up to the super bowl. of course, their reporting was restricted to "****" girls, not "minors", whatever that meant. nice to hear about the success in "rescuing" the girls, too. placed in good homes, were they? or given jobs as arizona state researchers?this would explain story i saw this morning, ppd coulldnt catch a serial bank robber so had bank videos put on tv. robbers gf saw it and told him about it so this guy that was so hard for them to catch decides to just turn himself in, what a hardened and wily criminal huh? anyway, he goes to a ppd branch to turn himself in, but no one there (perhaps they were just in the back researching those dangerous bp ads) so he drives to another branch, and guess what, no police at that station either (i bet they were at asu doing some scholarly work) so the poor guy who was so hard to catch and apparently harder to accept his surrender finally drives straight to the jail to give himself up, at least ppd didn't dedicate the entire force to reading escort ads, some at least must have to do it on their own time. pennsylvania may be the keystone state but phoenix seems to have snagged the moniker for those who " protect and serve" them. great to see our tax dollars at work protecting us from those dangerous cute girls in provocative photos and " juicy " ads, i just hope no one needs to grab some cash from their bank on the way to visit one of those criminals, because that might be where the real danger is

B Beall
09-03-12, 17:38
"It illustrates the scope of the problem here in Phoenix," said Lt. Jim Gallagher, who oversees a unit that attempts to treat prostitutes as trafficking victims while targeting the men and women who control them."It confirmed a lot of what we already knew," Gallagher said."But what we knew, we didn't know enough of."

Gee, Lieutenant, the study used your own methodology to spot "prostitutes" on your own city's Backpage, which is not exactly the best-kept secret in the online escort game. But thanks for focusing on the traffickers while treating prostitutes as victims. Say, you wouldn't happen to have a copy of last May's arrest figures, would you?

Meanwhile, the researchers report 88 minors found by culling 1145 ads in nine days, resulting in the "rescue" of two, three, or two and one recidivist, depending on who's counting. That's a mind-numbing 127 ads perused per day. Guess we can't expect the PPD to be undertaking that heavy a workload just to save ten minors a day from international sex traffickers.

Let's repeat that: you'd need to glance at 127 ads per day, checking for teddy bears, knee socks, and paltry physical assets, to make Phoenix safe from the child sex trade. Ads which are right there in the Adult Classifieds, every freaking day. Aren't taxpayers justified in asking why you don't?

And here's the other thing: despite the well-known and tax-exempt war being waged against Backpage-better known among journalists than the general public, too, since the Village Voice has been very aggressive in defending its advertising revenue in a collapsing market-no one thinks to ask where Professor Roe-Sepowitz' funding came from.

Man, I can't wait until we get another Super Bowl.

B Beall
09-11-12, 16:31
http://jezebel.com/5941073/how-to-tell-your-parents-youre-a-prostitute

B Beall
09-14-12, 15:16
http://www.salon.com/2012/09/14/paying_for_sex_and_love/

It's gratifying to see the mass-market media catching up with the 1990s.

Fast Spa
09-14-12, 22:09
Pay attention boys and girls In this article it says IMPD ongoing investigation in INDIANAPOLIS led to the arrests.

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1052798402/Massage-Parlor-closed-amid-prostitution-arrests

Best Swimmer
09-14-12, 22:31
Pay attention boys and girls In this article it says IMPD ongoing investigation in INDIANAPOLIS led to the arrests.

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1052798402/Massage-Parlor-closed-amid-prostitution-arrestsThanks for the link. Indy should be using all those hours spent on catching real criminals. Is Indy safer now?

Best Swimmer
09-14-12, 22:49
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/10/the-oldest-profession-evolves-how-the-web-transformed-prostitution.html

B Beall
09-15-12, 06:46
pay attention boys and girls in this article it says impd ongoing investigation in indianapolis led to the arrests.

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1052798402/massage-parlor-closed-amid-prostitution-arrestscurious story. as always the question is whether the reporter doesn't know what he's talking about, is just stovepiping a leo press release, or everyone is being deliberately obtuse in order to sell a story. a woman with an irish surname and a chinese stage name is arrested, along with four men. they're arrested for patronizing, but she's the only woman arrested. she's arrested on four counts of prostitution. did leo bust in on one big party? or did they just arrest everyone who walked in, the better to puff up their statistics? also, she's charged with three, not four, counts of promotion (with no other women mentioned) , and one count of corrupt business influence. those are the felony charges, so they're the important ones, the justification of all the expense (of homeland security money?) , and the probable link to impd. that they manage single count only of corrupt business influence is pretty telling, especially if "the trail" supposedly began in indy and led through shelbyville. it means they don't have much, because this would be the easiest place for them to lay on multiple charges. it suggests, i think, that the whole thing starts out with the continuing search for mr. big, the mastermind behind international **** sex trafficking, inc, the one who managed to elude them during super bowl week. and leads to them busting into a parlor in greensburg, apparently finding the proprietress with a client, and arresting them and three guys in the lobby, or something.

all while mr. big escaped out the back door to his waiting hovercraft, i suppose. fiendish.

listen, don't get me wrong. there is such a thing as sex slavery. it's a monstrous and brutal thing, and it ought to be stopped. we in the biz, on whatever side of the aisle, should oppose it and report it if we see it. if that's what impd was up to it would be understandable, and commendable. but it's not. it's a cover for the same old anti-sex crusades that were out of date in the late 20th century. there are some real bad guys out there-a tiny, tiny fraction of the real trade-but they aren't going to catch them by sniffing somebody's underwear drawer.

Roy Cat
09-16-12, 14:54
Thanks for the link. Indy should be using all those hours spent on catching real criminals. Is Indy safer now?Not one tiny bit safer. It's more about people using the government to force their own moral standards on others. Also, the cops doing the arresting like it. Real criminals are potentially dangerous. It's so much safer for the police to spend their time arresting little Asian women.

WheresMary
09-17-12, 16:36
I wonder when the Indianapolis raids are scheduled. Apparently been investigating for several months. Per the Greensburg arrest of 4 men, when is the last time you saw anyone in the waiting room? Did they really arrest anyone who showed up? Or did Jenny help them out?

http://www.wsvx.com/Massage-parlor-busted-for-prostitution/14254887

On Thursday September 13, multiple arrests were made in Shelbyville for the crimes of Prostitution and Promoting Prostitution as the result of a four month investigation. The criminal activity was multi-jurisdictional and included officers from the Shelbyville Police Department, Shelby County Sheriff Department, Indianapolis Metro Police Department, Greensburg Police Department, Homeland Security, and the Shelby County Prosecutor's Office.

The Shelbyville business involved was First Class Asian Massage located at 2509 E. State Road 44. Records show the legal description of the business is Blue Wide Ocean, LLC. It is owned by a Jun Fang Li.

The following individuals were arrested:

Jun Fang Li aka 'Grace'.52.

Corrupt Business Influence, C-Felony.

Promoting Prostitution, C-Felony.

3 counts of Prostitution, A-Misdemeanor.

Fei He aka 'LuLu'.43.

5 counts of Prostitution, A-Misdemeanor.

Aihua Liang aka 'Angela'.61.

Prostitution, A-Misdemeanor.

WSVX News has also been informed that an arrest was made in Greensburg. Four men and a parlor employee of the Right Touch Massage in Greensburg were arrested. Hui Y. Xie,"Jenny" faces charges of three counts of promoting prostitution, C felony, four counts of prostitution, A misdemeanor and one count of corrupt business influence, C felony.

This investigation was the result of a concerned citizen making contact with the Shelbyville Police Department due to suspicious activity and the welfare the individuals involved.

Strip Junkie
09-17-12, 19:16
curious story. as always the question is whether the reporter doesn't know what he's talking about, is just stovepiping a leo press release, or everyone is being deliberately obtuse in order to sell a story. a woman with an irish surname and a chinese stage name is arrested, along with four men. they're arrested for patronizing, but she's the only woman arrested. she's arrested on four counts of prostitution. did leo bust in on one big party? or did they just arrest everyone who walked in, the better to puff up their statistics? also, she's charged with three, not four, counts of promotion (with no other women mentioned) , and one count of corrupt business influence. those are the felony charges, so they're the important ones, the justification of all the expense (of homeland security money?) , and the probable link to impd. that they manage single count only of corrupt business influence is pretty telling, especially if "the trail" supposedly began in indy and led through shelbyville. it means they don't have much, because this would be the easiest place for them to lay on multiple charges. it suggests, i think, that the whole thing starts out with the continuing search for mr. big, the mastermind behind international **** sex trafficking, inc, the one who managed to elude them during super bowl week. and leads to them busting into a parlor in greensburg, apparently finding the proprietress with a client, and arresting them and three guys in the lobby, or something.

all while mr. big escaped out the back door to his waiting hovercraft, i suppose. fiendish.

listen, don't get me wrong. there is such a thing as sex slavery. it's a monstrous and brutal thing, and it ought to be stopped. we in the biz, on whatever side of the aisle, should oppose it and report it if we see it. if that's what impd was up to it would be understandable, and commendable. but it's not. it's a cover for the same old anti-sex crusades that were out of date in the late 20th century. there are some real bad guys out there-a tiny, tiny fraction of the real trade-but they aren't going to catch them by sniffing somebody's underwear drawer.ms. big got away but not in a hovercraft. she was in indy at costco buying towels. the owner has not been identified yet. poor jenny, a mcmurry by marriage and then divorce, was left to mind the store and got all the heat. one of the guys was on the table when the police showed up. the other three were stung by an asian isp officer before they closed up the shop.

ms. big is already in canada and is scheduled to fly away soon. they say that they have frozen bank accounts and assets but that is just a tiny fraction of a percent of the liquid assets of the shop. jenny will be well defended and her fines will not cost her a cent. if she is deported, she will be able to retire in style in any asian country that she wants to live in. except for a minor inconvenience, leo did not hurt the girls at all. we are the only ones getting screwed.

B Beall
09-17-12, 20:57
ms. big got away but not in a hovercraft. she was in indy at costco buying towels. the owner has not been identified yet. poor jenny, a mcmurry by marriage and then divorce, was left to mind the store and got all the heat. one of the guys was on the table when the police showed up. the other three were stung by an asian isp officer before they closed up the shop.

ms. big is already in canada and is scheduled to fly away soon. they say that they have frozen bank accounts and assets but that is just a tiny fraction of a percent of the liquid assets of the shop. jenny will be well defended and her fines will not cost her a cent. if she is deported, she will be able to retire in style in any asian country that she wants to live in. except for a minor inconvenience, leo did not hurt the girls at all. we are the only ones getting screwed.thanks for the info. it's still curious, ain't it? four departments (and, since they were on the trail of international **** sex traders, llc, in all likelihood homeland security as well) , months of detective work, and they can't figure out how to bust in when the owner's there? and they brought along their own asian-american decoy so they could make three additional misdemeanor pinches. job well done. take the rest of the year off.

nice to hear that ms mcmurry will have good legal representation, which ought to mean the three counts of promoting and the bonus corrupt business influence charges are headed for the dumpster, where they belonged in the first place.

Golden Country
09-17-12, 23:57
Ms. Big got away but not in a hovercraft. She was in Indy at Costco buying towels. The owner has not been identified yet. Poor Jenny, a McMurry by marriage and then divorce, was left to mind the store and got all the heat. One of the guys was on the table when the police showed up. The other three were stung by an Asian ISP officer before they closed up the shop.

Ms. Big is already in Canada and is scheduled to fly away soon. They say that they have frozen bank accounts and assets but that is just a tiny fraction of a percent of the liquid assets of the shop. Jenny will be well defended and her fines will not cost her a cent. If she is deported, she will be able to retire in style in any Asian country that she wants to live in. Except for a minor inconvenience, Leo did not hurt the girls at all. We are the only ones getting screwed.I have to say in this case I think that the police did a thorough job including checking the address on the secretary of state web site. Jenny Mc Murry is the registared agent and managing member of the parent company ergo the owner . But I am sure she will get good lawyers and pay a fine and leave to retire rich and happy somewhere in China after they revoke her us visa

WheresMary
09-19-12, 15:39
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/13-people-arrested-in-undercover-massage-parlor-prostitution-sting

Sting included Indianapolis and Plainfield. And another hobbyist busted: Police raided a massage parlor called Healthy Spa at 916 N. Shadeland Ave and arrested an Asian lady. 52, of Indianapolis, on a preliminary charge of prostitution. As part of an undercover sting at the business, police arrested a stupid monger. 61, of Trafalgar, on a preliminary charge of patronizing a prostitute after he asked an officer posing as an employee for a massage and a sexual act. That must be what happened to the 4 guys. I would suggest one avoid discussion of sex acts until the massage is well under way and you've done some evaluation of the situation!

B Beall
09-19-12, 17:51
I have to say in this case I think that the police did a thorough job including checking the address on the secretary of state web site. Jenny Mc Murry is the registared agent and managing member of the parent company ergo the owner.Or, to put it another way, a multi-department operation, quite possibly involving federal monies, which began hot on the trail of an international sex slavery ring, wound up arresting a woman on four Class C felonies which they could have gotten by 1) checking business filings and 2) parking across the street and waiting for her to show up for work. None of the charges have anything remotely to do with international sex slavery, not that that's surprising. On the plus side, they just may've saved some unsuspecting and sore-muscled Greensburger from mistakenly receiving a handjob.

Once again: taxpayers fund these operations; tax-exempt anti-sex outfits fund the brass's interest in continuing them.

WheresMary
09-20-12, 12:59
Go to.

http://www.fox59.com/news/

Then search for massage bust.

Coordinated massage parlor bust uncovers prostitution, nets 13 arrests.

"In one case, an IMPD vice detective posed as a massage therapist, where a man offered her $40 for a massage. He paid in cash, walked into a room and stripped down, lying naked on a massage bed. The undercover detective began to massage the man's back. She asked him if all he wanted was a massage, and he said 'yes. '

A few minutes later, the man asked if the woman was a police officer. She assured him he wasn't, and the man said his usual masseuse gives him sexual favors. He said that he gives the woman a $20 tip. The undercover officer left the room and returned with her partner, who arrested the man."

I guess we all understand now that LEO can lie. Personally I think that is entrapment and should be illegal. But maybe a little better tip was in order. LOL.

I'm sure glad homeland security is protecting me from these terrorists!

B Beall
09-25-12, 22:49
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-usa-villagevoice-backpage-idINBRE88N04020120924

(Reuters). Village Voice Media (VVM) will split off from its controversial Backpage. Com online advertising site and create a new company for its struggling chain of alternative weekly newspapers and websites, VVM president Scott Tobias said.

Backpage, which critics say facilitates sex trafficking through its "adult" classified section, has been the focus of an increasingly aggressive campaign in recent months to pressure advertisers to drop their accounts with the company, resulting in the departure of dozens of national and local advertisers, according to interviews and documents provided by activists in two cities.

American Airlines, Best Buy, AT&T, Ikea, H&M, IHOP, Macy's and the Miami Dolphins professional football team have all stopped advertising in VVM publications in recent months.

Best Swimmer
09-30-12, 23:26
Also a good time to visit Sin City for hobbyist. There will be some hot providers visiting.

http://www.theprovideronlyretreat.com/

Best Swimmer
10-02-12, 12:13
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-usa-villagevoice-backpage-idINBRE88N04020120924

(Reuters). Village Voice Media (VVM) will split off from its controversial Backpage. Com online advertising site and create a new company for its struggling chain of alternative weekly newspapers and websites, VVM president Scott Tobias said.

Backpage, which critics say facilitates sex trafficking through its "adult" classified section, has been the focus of an increasingly aggressive campaign in recent months to pressure advertisers to drop their accounts with the company, resulting in the departure of dozens of national and local advertisers, according to interviews and documents provided by activists in two cities.

American Airlines, Best Buy, AT&T, Ikea, H&M, IHOP, Macy's and the Miami Dolphins professional football team have all stopped advertising in VVM publications in recent months.Pressure is mounting for BP, IMO it's just a matter of time but new sites will take their place. The hobby will never stop.

Best Swimmer
10-02-12, 12:19
http://mccracken.kfvs12.com/photo-gallery/crime/58589-slideshow-mccracken-co-investigators-charge-8-soliciting-prostitution?page=7

Read this story, it happened in KY and is a good lesson for hobbyist anywhere.

All of these guys opened their mouths!

NEVER TALK MONEY & SEX.

EVEN WITH A REVIEWED PROVIDER!

Even after I meet someone, I never talk about it!

And when you call? Don't say I saw your ad or website or review!

Hell, a dude at the bar gave me the number, if you mention the above, it can be used against you.

A different hobbyist added this comment and is a VERY good reply.

When I have a provider try to talk services on the phone I stop her and say, I'm sorry, I'm not looking for anything illegal.

B Beall
10-04-12, 19:35
Read this story, it happened in KY and is a good lesson for hobbyist anywhere.

All of these guys opened their mouths!Or so says the reporter, who's taking police stenography. And of course they say that, since that's what it takes to make an arrest.

What they did wrong was contact a woman (or what they thought was a woman)"on a well-known website" who was unknown to them, unverified and unverifiable, and unreviewed. A lesson at least half the hobbyists around here would ignore. But the fact is we should not confuse "what technically violates the law" with "what will get you arrested". You can talk money and sex all you want, just not with a police officer. If you book time with Uncle Leo, clamming up, or contacting lockjaw, might get you a pass, or they might arrest you anyway, knowing you're foolish not to plead unless you were being followed by a camera crew.

Watching what you say is good advice; it certainly makes it more comfortable for a provider who doesn't know you. In case of a sting, though-which is the only way you're going to get popped-it's not a Get Out of Jail Free card.


And when you call? Don't say I saw your ad or website or review!

Hell, a dude at the bar gave me the number, if you mention the above, it can be used against you.That's a piece of legal folklore that's floated around for years, presumably started when someone was arrested after his viewing a website or ad established intent without him saying anything on the scene. But if that's the game Leo is running, nothing prevents him from making you register online, the way many reputable providers do, or, if you're speaking about intervening phone calls or email, from trying to get you to establish intent before you arrive. Or after. Our Uncle is at least as smart as most hobbyists. If nothing else, eventually most guys are going to remove their pants. Intent established.

Best Swimmer
10-05-12, 12:54
I don't know, what was said on the phone. I wasn't there but I've talked to hobbyist that say they like to get into a little sexy talk when they call to get a fill for the provider. Nothing is 100% and LE can bust you just because they want too, anywhere, anyplace.

I was just sharing this news story because Hobbyist do, say to much on the phone.

Even calling a reviewed provider you shouldn't be talking like that, Ever heard of one flipping a hobbyist?

I didn't write the story, just thought I would share it. I just don't like to offer free evidence against myself that helps turn the key.


Or so says the reporter, who's taking police stenography. And of course they say that, since that's what it takes to make an arrest.

What they did wrong was contact a woman (or what they thought was a woman)"on a well-known website" who was unknown to them, unverified and unverifiable, and unreviewed. A lesson at least half the hobbyists around here would ignore. But the fact is we should not confuse "what technically violates the law" with "what will get you arrested". You can talk money and sex all you want, just not with a police officer. If you book time with Uncle Leo, clamming up, or contacting lockjaw, might get you a pass, or they might arrest you anyway, knowing you're foolish not to plead unless you were being followed by a camera crew.

Watching what you say is good advice; it certainly makes it more comfortable for a provider who doesn't know you. In case of a sting, though-which is the only way you're going to get popped-it's not a Get Out of Jail Free card.

That's a piece of legal folklore that's floated around for years, presumably started when someone was arrested after his viewing a website or ad established intent without him saying anything on the scene. But if that's the game Leo is running, nothing prevents him from making you register online, the way many reputable providers do, or, if you're speaking about intervening phone calls or email, from trying to get you to establish intent before you arrive. Or after. Our Uncle is at least as smart as most hobbyists. If nothing else, eventually most guys are going to remove their pants. Intent established.

WheresMary
10-17-12, 11:50
Zumba prostitution scandal: Maine men sweat as names are named:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1016/Zumba-scandal-21-names-released-in-Maine-prostitution-case-video

Some good photos:

http://smokingwaitress.com/who-doesnt-love-a-good-prostitution-scandal-alexis-wright/

There apparently are videos, detailed records, and a price list.

WheresMary
10-17-12, 12:24
Here's some videos. Still can't find the price list.

http://www.slutload.com/watch/HWxWzQT4sOr/Alexis-Wright-Zumba-Maine-prostitute-caught-masturbating-with-a-Popcicle.html


Zumba prostitution scandal: Maine men sweat as names are named:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/1016/Zumba-scandal-21-names-released-in-Maine-prostitution-case-video

Some good photos:

http://smokingwaitress.com/who-doesnt-love-a-good-prostitution-scandal-alexis-wright/

There apparently are videos, detailed records, and a price list.

Naughty169
10-17-12, 12:58
Here's some videos. Still can't find the price list.

http://www.slutload.com/watch/HWxWzQT4sOr/Alexis-Wright-Zumba-Maine-prostitute-caught-masturbating-with-a-Popcicle.htmlNon of the zumba instructors at my gym look like that.

Strip Junkie
10-17-12, 19:06
She used to have a lot of videos posted on the Free Project Voyuer website but they have all been deleted now. She is one hot lady.

Tonylove465
10-18-12, 08:20
For a true great.

Dutch actress Sylvia Kristel, star of 'Emmanuelle, ' dies at age 60.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/18/dutch-actress-sylvia-kristel-star-emmanuelle-dies-at-age-60/#ixzz29eVpsDOT

Best Swimmer
10-18-12, 18:19
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/19811316/prostitute-patrons-cant-hide-their-faces-anymore

Hotforty
10-19-12, 08:49
Yes, an incredible beauty who had sensuality that transcended the screen and landed squarely in every man's (and many women's) lap.


For a true great.

Dutch actress Sylvia Kristel, star of 'Emmanuelle, ' dies at age 60.

Read more:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/18/dutch-actress-sylvia-kristel-star-emmanuelle-dies-at-age-60/#ixzz29eVpsDOT

Tonylove465
10-19-12, 10:08
Thanks Forty!

You are a man that understands.

Hope all is well with you. Haven't seen you for a while. We need to all go have a beer again soon.


Yes, an incredible beauty who had sensuality that transcended the screen and landed squarely in every man's (and many women's) lap.

Jpww1978
11-05-12, 16:14
Be careful out there.

http://www.indystar.com/article/D2/20121030/NEWS01/121029024/UPDATE-Names-from-prostitution-sting-released?odyssey=obinsite

Iamindyjo
11-05-12, 19:01
Looks like a few providers that post on BP got busted last a few weekends ago got bust. STAY SAFE!

http://indianapolis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-bbw-ready-for-u-30/6795311

http://indygov.org/eGov/City/DPS/IMPD/Enforcement/Investigations/vice/Pages/Arrests.aspx (Kristina S)

http://indygov.org/eGov/City/DPS/IMPD/Enforcement/Investigations/vice/Pages/Arrests.aspx (Malissa S aka Amber)

http://amberromance.model24h.com/inside.php (1-2 weekends ago she was posting on BP)

Two Nutts
11-05-12, 21:43
Looks like a few providers that post on BP got busted last a few weekends ago got bust. STAY SAFE!

http://indianapolis.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-bbw-ready-for-u-30/6795311

http://indygov.org/eGov/City/DPS/IMPD/Enforcement/Investigations/vice/Pages/Arrests.aspx

(Kristina S)

http://indygov.org/eGov/City/DPS/IMPD/Enforcement/Investigations/vice/Pages/Arrests.aspx

(Malissa S aka Amber)

http://amberromance.model24h.com/inside.php

(1-2 weekends ago she was posting on BP) I would do, the rest looks like a collection of white / black trash. Not much loss.

Buster Hymen
11-05-12, 23:35
Be careful out there.

http://www.indystar.com/article/D2/20121030/NEWS01/121029024/UPDATE-Names-from-prostitution-sting-released?odyssey=obinsiteALthough this story was in the Indy paper, you do realize that the sting was in Iowa, right? What does this have to do with Indiana?

B Beall
11-06-12, 08:33
although this story was in the indy paper, you do realize that the sting was in iowa, right? what does this have to do with indiana?why was it in the indianapolis paper? (answer: because there's a concerted, well-financed and tax-exempt anti-sex crusade in this country.)

why are federal (homeland security) funds being used for local prostitution stings? (answer: because there's a concerted, well-financed and tax-exempt anti-sex crusade in this country which has managed to sell the "international **** sex slave trafficking, inc" story line. just as it did in indianapolis for the super bowl.)

people here sit back and expect backpage to fight their battles for them, like they expected edotcom to fight their battles for them. meanwhile, your tax dollars, and mine, go to fund corrupt organizations which are then played, cynically, by professional manipulators whose organizations pay no taxes at all. if you had even a casual contact with local media in the six months surrounding the super bowl you heard dozens of stories about the expected onslaught of rolling third world teenage sex slave kiosks which were about to hit town by the thousands. if you wanted to hear them correct that (one arrest, one, based on the slapdash "new indiana sex trafficking law", and that one brought about because a nicked 25-year-old supposedly claimed she'd been forced into prostitution at age 16-that's the best they could do from thousands of man-hours, paid by guess who?) then you had to check page 16 of the paper, and read the boilerplate.

the more people think it's only about them, and their own risks, the worse the risk becomes. i don't use bp. but the national war on bp is my business, whether it happens here on in idaho.

Buster Hymen
11-06-12, 17:30
why was it in the indianapolis paper? (answer: because there's a concerted, well-financed and tax-exempt anti-sex crusade in this country.)

why are federal (homeland security) funds being used for local prostitution stings? (answer: because there's a concerted, well-financed and tax-exempt anti-sex crusade in this country which has managed to sell the "international **** sex slave trafficking, inc" story line. just as it did in indianapolis for the super bowl.)

people here sit back and expect backpage to fight their battles for them, like they expected edotcom to fight their battles for them. meanwhile, your tax dollars, and mine, go to fund corrupt organizations which are then played, cynically, by professional manipulators whose organizations pay no taxes at all. if you had even a casual contact with local media in the six months surrounding the super bowl you heard dozens of stories about the expected onslaught of rolling third world teenage sex slave kiosks which were about to hit town by the thousands. if you wanted to hear them correct that (one arrest, one, based on the slapdash "new indiana sex trafficking law", and that one brought about because a nicked 25-year-old supposedly claimed she'd been forced into prostitution at age 16-that's the best they could do from thousands of man-hours, paid by guess who?) then you had to check page 16 of the paper, and read the boilerplate.

the more people think it's only about them, and their own risks, the worse the risk becomes. i don't use bp. but the national war on bp is my business, whether it happens here on in idaho.well, i agree totally with all you just said. but just wanted to point out that the story was from iowa, so people weren't concluding that there was a big sting in indy.

i just had to laugh about the big media hype before the super bowl, touting that they were poised to combat the thousands of **** prostitutes, coerced by big organized gangs, about to descend on your fair city! nothing like the words " **** girls forced into prostitution" to get the conservative yokels in indiana all in a tizzy, especially since none of it was true. couldn't the dumbazzes in indianapolis simply just investigate what transpired in dallas the year before to know this was all total bs? of course not, then they wouldn't get the funding to do a huge blitz.

maybe someday the evangelical nutjobs will loosen their grip on this country and we can get some common sense laws when it comes to sex. what happens between consenting adults (notice the word "adults", mister leo reading this board?) should be nobodies business but the two consenting adults, plain said!

WheresMary
11-06-12, 18:16
I hope you all got out and voted Libertarian today.

Hotforty
11-07-12, 21:23
Bet your ass I did! I was the 504th in my precinct to vote.


I hope you all got out and voted Libertarian today.

Roy Cat
11-11-12, 13:21
I hope you all got out and voted Libertarian today.I sure did. We don't live in a world of unlimited resources. The police have limited resources of time. Any time they spend setting up sting operations to arrest guys for prostitution, shutting down massage parlors, or making sure strip club girls are wearing pasties is time not spent going after and arresting murderers, robbers and rapists. I'd rather they'd be doing the latter.

Glaucon
11-13-12, 09:05
http://jezebel.com/5955918/some-things-to-consider-when-you-think-you-want-to-be-a-prostitute?utm_source=io9.com&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=recirculation

B Beall
12-05-12, 20:16
http://youtu.be/XL2ekEeMk0Q

Indplsgent4fu
12-21-12, 09:04
Although this is not local, it brings unneeded attention to our hobby, our methodologies and the resources we use.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/suzy-favor-hamilton-136952

EarlyCuyler
12-21-12, 10:59
Though she did blame depression, I'm glad she didn't play the victim card. Most would have. Sounds to me like NS sex, with the added draw of money generated were her motivation. She's in her 40s and sounds like she had her head on pretty straight. Too bad some prick had to draw attention to what should always be a private arrangement between two consenting adults.


Although this is not local, it brings unneeded attention to our hobby, our methodologies and the resources we use.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/suzy-favor-hamilton-136952

Tuls2011
12-21-12, 23:51
Although this is not local, it brings unneeded attention to our hobby, our methodologies and the resources we use.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/suzy-favor-hamilton-136952One thing I got from this article is that it was her choice to enter the lifestyle as opposed to being forced to do it. This goes against what the media likes to make people think with talking about sex slaves and sex trafficking.

B Beall
01-18-13, 22:32
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130118/NEWS02/130118016/Attorney-accused-prostitution-sting?odyssey=obinsite

A public defender in Marion County is facing charges after allegedly exchanging texts with an undercover cop who he thought was a prostitute, and then trying to exchange sex for legal representation.

The investigation started when [the attorney] allegedly sent a text message to a phone formerly used by a prostitute on Dec. 3, according to a probable cause affidavit. It was actually a police officer on the other end, and Hollander met with a separate undercover officer in a hotel room the next day.

The two discussed the phony prostitute's alleged legal trouble. When the officer asked 'How much is it going to cost me' for the legal services, Hollander started to caress her hand, according to a probable cause affidavit. Hollander then allegedly began trying to kiss and hug the officer, and told her he had two condoms.

Indy Chap
02-28-13, 22:34
BP is dangerous.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130228/NEWS/302280075/Evan-Lurie-key-figure-Carmel-s-arts-development-arrested-Indy-prostitution-sting

B Beall
03-01-13, 09:06
BP is dangerous.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130228/NEWS/302280075/Evan-Lurie-key-figure-Carmel-s-arts-development-arrested-Indy-prostitution-stingSelling $ half-hours. When's IMPD going to start "keeping the community safe" from guys in higher tax brackets?

And sheesh, brother, there is no excuse for bringing a controlled substance to a first meeting.

Indplsgent4fu
03-01-13, 10:01
I have very often thought (been concerned) about this exact scenario, especially from non-pro, utr girls that have little online presence.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/police-texts-reveal-blackmail-plot-by-indy-stripper

Best Swimmer
03-16-13, 14:41
http://www.redumbrellaproject.org/nycondom/

Scott4020
03-26-13, 06:36
Kokomo craziness.

What a load of crap!

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/kokomo-leaders-keeping-eye-on-strippers-push-for-licensing-of-exotic-dancers

B Beall
03-26-13, 13:57
Kokomo craziness.

What a load of crap!

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/kokomo-leaders-keeping-eye-on-strippers-push-for-licensing-of-exotic-dancers
"From a Constitutional standpoint, we can’t close them," he said. "We can make it hard on them to live up to what’s supposed to be law."Good plan, announcing that your real intention is to violate Constitutional rights through harassing legislation.


"I know personally, I've had people tell me that one of their daughters ended up there. She's only 17, but they allowed it, and that's where we need to get the licensing involved," said Cameron.Google tells me that all five have liquor licenses. Hey, maybe you could make "being a horrible parent" illegal in Kokomo.

Then there's the councilwoman, another Constitutional scholar, no doubt, who thinks that driving from one town to the next to work as a stripper constitutes "human trafficking".

So at best you run five tax-paying and rent-paying businesses out of town; at worst you spend something like half a mil defending this in court, if any of the owners has deep pockets, or they all band together. Particularly when you've already said you were really running them out of town for being "immoral".

Tell you what: if I lived in Kokomo I think I'd be checking to see if either, or both of those bozos just happens to own some undeveloped property just outside the city limits. If you catch my drift.

Bonus points: the story was reported by Ebone Monet.

Cooter Jones
03-30-13, 15:25
This is what the future looks like with Pastor Pence in the governor's office.

Under the governor's influence, the state senate has crafted a bill to make possession of over 1/3 of an ounce of marijuana a felony:

http://www.ibj.com/senate-panel-backs-tougher-marijuana-penalties/PARAMS/article/40454

Getting tough on strippers and adult service providers will be next for these puritanical douchebags.

IrishLaddie
03-31-13, 20:08
This is what the future looks like with Pastor Pence in the governor's office.

Under the governor's influence, the state senate has crafted a bill to make possession of over 1/3 of an ounce of marijuana a felony:

http://www.ibj.com/senate-panel-backs-tougher-marijuana-penalties/PARAMS/article/40454

Getting tough on strippers and adult service providers will be next for these puritanical douchebags.The more and more regulation you put in something, the more the "shady side" gets in return. If they force these lovely ladies out of dancing, the more providers we may have.

I am surely not or forcing people out of legal jobs into becoming a provider, just stating an opinion based in historical fact.

Jeff Lowe
04-01-13, 23:54
That the Indy Vice page. Which used to update every week or so. Has been dormant for over a month? I'm wondering if updated, it might show some ladies we've all seen who have been recently busted. I hope this doesn't mean that there are some "old standbys" who are working with the man. Not trying to inflame the crowds or start a flame war. Just concerned.

Chelli4me
04-02-13, 07:34
That the Indy Vice page. Which used to update every week or so. Has been dormant for over a month? I'm wondering if updated, it might show some ladies we've all seen who have been recently busted. I hope this doesn't mean that there are some "old standbys" who are working with the man. Not trying to inflame the crowds or start a flame war. Just concerned.Is that IMPD updates the page less frequently than they used to.

IrishLaddie
04-02-13, 16:13
Is that IMPD updates the page less frequently than they used to.I am not a douche to spread false rumors but I have a very reliable source that has told me Uncle is getting or trying to get sow of these ladies to start setting people up, therefor, unless it can be verified, new girls are out Of the question. I hope this is not true. Bad enough I have to look over my personal shoulder, looking over a shoulder to see if Uncle is there ruins everything.

Chelli4me
04-02-13, 17:31
I have a very reliable source . .My nephew's cousin's girlfriend's baby daddy said. Unless the guy with the badge is talking directly to you there is no way you can know if what's being said is true or not. As far as uncle trying to get one criminal (SW) to turn on another (mongers) , that's certainly nothing new. Hobbying at any level comes with risks. Don't like the risks, don't play the game. Considering how many provider / hobbyist transactions take place in just 24 hrs across our country versus how many get caught / charged / convicted the percenatge is miniscule. You are more at risk from pimps / handlers / jealous be / f's and the gals themselves than you are from uncle.

IrishLaddie
04-02-13, 19:42
My nephew's cousin's girlfriend's baby daddy said. Unless the guy with the badge is talking directly to you there is no way you can know if what's being said is true or not. As far as uncle trying to get one criminal (SW) to turn on another (mongers) , that's certainly nothing new. Hobbying at any level comes with risks. Don't like the risks, don't play the game. Considering how many provider / hobbyist transactions take place in just 24 hrs across our country versus how many get caught / charged / convicted the percenatge is miniscule. You are more at risk from pimps / handlers / jealous be / f's and the gals themselves than you are from uncle.First off, thanks for your rant,

Secondly, as I stated before, I don't try to say things that sound like a douche bag and let's just say again, my source is very reliable. You can take that as serious as you want it to be. You have know idea what my past is and who I know. So for the sake of not starting a DBag rant of my own, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.

I am not going to come out and say, oh yes, BTW, my friends, who are actually LEO, have told me this has been going. I will save the facts for your nephews, cousins baby daddy. Again, this was in a conversation of what out LEO friends in ViCE are trying to do, and I know some providers who have talked. Facing jail time will make you do a lot of things you wouldn't do. Like give up your phone handler lets say.

Thanks for the words of wisdom though, I will take it to the bank.

Chelli4me
04-03-13, 07:47
First off, thanks for your rant, Secondly, as I stated before, I don't try to say things that sound like a douche bag and let's just say again, my source is very reliable. You can take that as serious as you want it to be. You have know idea what my past is and who I know. So for the sake of not starting a DBag rant of my own, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.I am not going to come out and say, oh yes, BTW, my friends, who are actually LEO, have told me this has been going. I will save the facts for your nephews, cousins baby daddy. Again, this was in a conversation of what out LEO friends in ViCE are trying to do, and I know some providers who have talked. Facing jail time will make you do a lot of things you wouldn't do. Like give up your phone handler lets say.Thanks for the words of wisdom though, I will take it to the bank.But it wasn't a rant. Just my thoughts on your post. Not my fault you are so insecure that you got offended cause I didn't agree with you. Nor did I resort to name calling like you did. So juvenile. And yes, I don't know you or your past, don't really care.

IrishLaddie
04-03-13, 13:35
But it wasn't a rant. Just my thoughts on your post. Not my fault you are so insecure that you got offended cause I didn't agree with you. Nor did I resort to name calling like you did. So juvenile. And yes, I don't know you or your past, don't really care.Who is insecure, the douchebag reference was to myself. My other point it, yes, sometimes on here, mongers who think they know it all come on here and blast people who post. You didn't disagree with me, you made up some nephews cousin baby daddy reference to belittle my point. Which you have done to several others in the past on this board.

So look in whatever mirror you have and ask who first replied to whose post.

Indplsgent4fu
04-04-13, 23:13
Gentlemen, Please stop attacking each other, you both bring plenty of good wisdom, advice and info, you also both speak the truth. Wow how the spring temperatures have risen quickly. Seems to be getting hot. Have fun and stay safe.

IrishLaddie
04-05-13, 12:23
Gentlemen, Please stop attacking each other, you both bring plenty of good wisdom, advice and info, you also both speak the truth. Wow how the spring temperatures have risen quickly. Seems to be getting hot. Have fun and stay safe.I am in total agreement. I just stated that two people I know in the real world who deal with this hobby told me that BP girls are being targeted and being asked to give info on mongers. Now, this is nothing new, but this is something these two friends would have first hand knowledge of and divulged that this is a tactic they are pursuing a little harder than they used to. I was giving advice to everyone to be just a little more careful. That was it. The critic of my post was what set me on my Irish!

Lktahoenv
04-05-13, 23:08
That the Indy Vice page. Which used to update every week or so. Has been dormant for over a month? I'm wondering if updated, it might show some ladies we've all seen who have been recently busted. I hope this doesn't mean that there are some "old standbys" who are working with the man. Not trying to inflame the crowds or start a flame war. Just concerned.I too share your concern and when reading the news reports of the busts of some prominent folks lately, I happened to notice that answering a busted girl's phone is a tactic being used by our favorite uncle. This allows them to take calls from our friends who think they are calling legit providers.

-It's not paranoia if they're really after you.

Diet Peach
04-09-13, 17:13
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130408/NEWS02/304080021/IMPD-Man-meets-woman-motel-room-uses-BB-gun-rob-her?nclick_check=1

Cooter Jones
04-10-13, 08:39
A 19 yo girl from Anderson checks into the downtown Hyatt with $1200 in her purse, pages her buddy "Marcus" at 1am, and Marcus then robs her. Sounds like Marcus was her connection, she was planning to party up after the buy and take the rest home to sell, but Marcus didn't have the drugs and the deal went bad. Bonus points for Marcus using a BB gun to hold her up. Real gangster.


http://www.indystar.com/article/20130408/NEWS02/304080021/IMPD-Man-meets-woman-motel-room-uses-BB-gun-rob-her?nclick_check=1

Indy Tourist
04-13-13, 10:08
A girl told me that the Classy Chassy was raided recently and a lot of people were arrested, but I haven't heard anything in the news. Has anybody else heard this rumor?

JAG01
04-13-13, 12:00
Happened last Friday night.

Stnick62
04-14-13, 07:01
Happened last Friday night.Does anyone know what the busts were for? I was at the old lincoln Inn years ago when it was busted but they just closed the place and arrested 4 dancers and the owner. Plus one patron who caused a ruckus with the cops. I just sat there, showed my I'd, answered their questions and was allowed to leave.

The busts were for illegal age on the dancers.

Member #4300
04-14-13, 11:10
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130408/NEWS02/304080021/IMPD-Man-meets-woman-motel-room-uses-BB-gun-rob-her?nclick_check=1It's amusing that the reporter wrote they were meeting "to hangout" in quotation marks. LOL! I'm really surprised she reported it to the police. But glad she did and I hope they find the creep. But too bad it will shine a negative light on the hobby.

Ilapp
04-15-13, 11:55
A girl told me that the Classy Chassy was raided recently and a lot of people were arrested, but I haven't heard anything in the news. Has anybody else heard this rumor?That due to the nature of the arrests there will probably be a large drop off in the fun quotient there, which I hear was up these days.

Yet Another Guy
04-15-13, 17:06
Practice this:

I invoke my right to remain silent. I want my attorney. Then remain silent.


First off, thanks for your rant,

Secondly, as I stated before, I don't try to say things that sound like a douche bag and let's just say again, my source is very reliable. You can take that as serious as you want it to be. You have know idea what my past is and who I know. So for the sake of not starting a DBag rant of my own, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.

I am not going to come out and say, oh yes, BTW, my friends, who are actually LEO, have told me this has been going. I will save the facts for your nephews, cousins baby daddy. Again, this was in a conversation of what out LEO friends in ViCE are trying to do, and I know some providers who have talked. Facing jail time will make you do a lot of things you wouldn't do. Like give up your phone handler lets say.

Thanks for the words of wisdom though, I will take it to the bank.

Hotforty
04-15-13, 20:34
Cops will put enormous pressure on actual or potential arrestees to 'roll' on someone or puke up a name & number by continuing to threaten arrest.

One way to deal with continued pressure (harassment on street, etc.) is to say, 'Sure so that you won't arrest me, I'll give you a list of names & numbers with your deputy prosecutor and a court reporter present. ' It's really odd how that makes Leo really, really angry because their blackmail scheme breaks down.

Nostra3
04-23-13, 14:53
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130422/NEWS/304220082/Police-Former-county-auditor-tied-up-robbed-by-woman-he-aided

Thought you gents would find this entertaining."Would we have had a relationship if I couldn't have helped her financially? That's like asking what happens if Monday comes before Sunday." Classic!

You can find this chicks facebook very easily. It's wide open. No friend request needed. She's got very strippery pictures posted and a very distinctive tattoo. Anyone recognize her? She's got to be a dancer.

Liminal
04-23-13, 19:15
If you scroll down the profile far enough, she admits it.


http://www.indystar.com/article/20130422/NEWS/304220082/Police-Former-county-auditor-tied-up-robbed-by-woman-he-aided

Thought you gents would find this entertaining."Would we have had a relationship if I couldn't have helped her financially? That's like asking what happens if Monday comes before Sunday." Classic!

You can find this chicks facebook very easily. It's wide open. No friend request needed. She's got very strippery pictures posted and a very distinctive tattoo. Anyone recognize her? She's got to be a dancer.

Ferreal1
04-24-13, 09:48
If you scroll down the profile far enough, she admits it.With check-in on FB at Dancers. Well, I guess she won't be there for a while.

"She thought this would be a good way to break things off." I guess that'd probably do it. Pic's looked familiar. Was she on BP at some point? Be careful out there.

Cooter Jones
04-24-13, 17:31
http://www.webpronews.com/lb-prostitution-sting-browns-player-arrested-2013-04/comment-page-1#comment-522262

Next you're going to tell me that most providers aren't the victims of violent pimps or human trafficking!

Nostra3
04-24-13, 18:41
With check-in on FB at Dancers. Well, I guess she won't be there for a while.

"She thought this would be a good way to break things off." I guess that'd probably do it. Pic's looked familiar. Was she on BP at some point? Be careful out there.LOL. You guys are great. I love the internets. I saw something on there about working at Rio and she has pictures up with a girl that works at BBF now. Oh well, she'll be in the slammer a while for this one. Epic.

West Central
04-24-13, 18:49
If you scroll down the profile far enough, she admits it.And just below that she talked about her release from MCJ and "never going back". Guess she should have consulted her psychic.

Member #4397
04-24-13, 22:24
If anyone is curious, the indy vice arrest page has now been updated. Looks like one that I saw several months back named samantha / sara got popped.

ThrobThrob
04-25-13, 10:31
If anyone is curious, the indy vice arrest page has now been updated. Looks like one that I saw several months back named samantha / sara got popped.Quite a few familiar faces on there in fact. Gettin' kinda hectic, as the song said.

Osirusss
04-25-13, 12:52
LOL. You guys are great. I love the internets. I saw something on there about working at Rio and she has pictures up with a girl that works at BBF now. Oh well, she'll be in the slammer a while for this one. Epic.She prolly met that guy there. He got LDs and fell in love! LOL!

Osirusss
04-25-13, 12:57
If anyone is curious, the indy vice arrest page has now been updated. Looks like one that I saw several months back named samantha / sara got popped.Plummer or Moto? I saw moto and she realllllly wanted to score some Vicodin! I knew she wouldn't be around much longer. Plummer is hot, this is number 2 for her. She must be UTR cause I have never seen an ad for her unless she uses fake pics.

EarlyCuyler
04-27-13, 20:31
Quite a few familiar faces on there in fact. Gettin' kinda hectic, as the song said.J. G. Three times in as many months. Time to hang up your condoms honey, or the state's going to do it for you.

EarlyCuyler
04-27-13, 20:39
. Has really let herself go, according to the latest vice update. That's sad. It seemed like her future was bright, but apparently, she let herself go to shit after having a baby with David Crosby.

IrishLaddie
04-27-13, 23:05
Well, one I liked is in that list, too bad, she was always really good to me. Hate to see this happen. Time for Uncle to stop being Mike Pences lapdogs and bust some real criminals.

B Beall
04-28-13, 07:43
Time for Uncle to stop being Mike Pences lapdogs and bust some real criminals.Too late. The legislature already left town.

Stnick62
04-28-13, 12:30
Too late. The legislature already left town.Not before raping and robbing the residents!

Osirusss
04-28-13, 16:57
J. G. Three times in as many months. Time to hang up your condoms honey, or the state's going to do it for you.She must have a drug problem cause every consecutive pic she looks worse. I remember her BP ad stated she was 19. Young and dumb!

FqIdiot
04-30-13, 14:30
Not local, but perhaps a sign of things to come?

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/04/29/i-team-website-allows-users-to-rate-prostitutes/

Indplsgent4fu
05-01-13, 15:25
Hamilton and Boone county authorities will announce arrests in a prostitution case after a nearly yearlong investigation.

Investigators will hold a news conference at 3 pm today at the Carmel Police Department. Police arrested six suspects today after an investigation that began last summer.

I Love HJs
05-01-13, 21:02
Hamilton and Boone county authorities will announce arrests in a prostitution case after a nearly yearlong investigation.

Investigators will hold a news conference at 3 pm today at the Carmel Police Department. Police arrested six suspects today after an investigation that began last summer.After reading the story on various news outlets, I don't see how this is possible. After hours clients? And there has been zero mention of this on these forums.

ShyOldGuy
05-01-13, 23:26
Hamilton and Boone county authorities will announce arrests in a prostitution case after a nearly yearlong investigation.

Investigators will hold a news conference at 3 pm today at the Carmel Police Department. Police arrested six suspects today after an investigation that began last summer.Yep, saw the preview commercial for the news tonight and found this online.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/6-arrested-in-prostitution-stings-at-carmel-zionsville-massage-parlors

West Central
05-01-13, 23:38
I came here to post this, you guys beat me to it. It appears we're overpaying for our services:

http://fox59.com/2013/05/01/police-find-250k-during-spa-prostitution-sting/#axzz2S6RWzzN1

B Beall
05-03-13, 13:39
Experts question police methods in Carmel and Zionsville prostitution sting.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130502/NEWS02/305020050/Experts-question-police-methods-Carmel-Zionsville-prost

First and most prominent being that Officer Happy (or is that Sgt?) collects five handjobs from five women the city fathers suspect are sex slaves.


Maj. Aaron Dietz, head of the Hamilton and Boone County Drug Task Force, which conducted the nine-month sting,No drug activity in Hamilton and Boone counties to keep them busy?


said Thursday that detectives were sensitive to such issues, but that the sophisticated nature of the prostitution ring required officers to take more extreme measures."Sophisticated". It's an AMP. They've been conducting business the same way for at least twenty-five years. Unless now you have to ask for a happy ending in Mandarin.


Detectives began the investigation after complaints of possible human trafficking and are still trying to confirm whether it was involved. But Dietz said after detectives interviewed the defendants it doesn’t appear that the two alleged pimps forced the women to perform sex acts for money.I want to know where the "complaints of human trafficking" came from. Taxpayers in Hamilton and Boone might well wonder why it took nine months to discover nothing.


The nearly $250,000 seized in the case may go back into the budget of the drug task force that conducted the nine-month sting.I believe we have an answer.


“In the criminal world of prostitution, the prostitutes themselves have become more savvy about the rules. If we were to basically say, ‘Will you dothis for money,’ they know that’s a police terminology, and they’ve been schooled not to do those things,” Dietz said. “That’s where they’re trying to skirt around it, so it’s caused us to go out on a limb more, so to speak, for them to actually commit the crime.”Officer Dietz is apparently a sixty-year veteran of the force.


Dietz said the officer knew going into the parlor that the actions performed would be “very limited.” Dietz said the officer didn’t ejaculate when he was being fondled.Special training.


Dietz and others wanted to emphasize that it was not a pleasurable experience for the officer, but entirely necessary.

'No one, as far as a policeman or an undercover guy, really wants to go into these, ' Dietz said. 'That's probably the last thing any cop wants to do. There's a psychological side of this. That's stuck with these officers forever. It's something that's ethically and morally very trying, so I'the do anything to keep guys out of there. '

He said that's also why the undercover officer isn't being identified. Dietz said there are concerns about the stigma the officer would have in his private life.

Charlie Fuller, executive director of the International Association of Undercover Officers, agreed.

It's a safe bet, Fuller said, that the vice officer assigned to this investigation did not enjoy his undercover work.

'That's the last thing the guy wanted to do. That's disgusting, ' Fuller said. 'It takes a special kind of cop to work vice. 'By the way, the outside officer pull-quote in the case of a department caught diddling some pussy before it grabs the kitty is a time-honored CYA. See, for example, this story from Pittsburgh from 2010,

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/anatomy-of-a-boondoggle/

From the excellent Maggie McNeill, where one of the outside experts rushing to the defense of another department is from Indianapolis.

IrishLaddie
05-13-13, 11:35
I am in total agreement. I just stated that two people I know in the real world who deal with this hobby told me that BP girls are being targeted and being asked to give info on mongers. Now, this is nothing new, but this is something these two friends would have first hand knowledge of and divulged that this is a tactic they are pursuing a little harder than they used to. I was giving advice to everyone to be just a little more careful. That was it. The critic of my post was what set me on my Irish!Not to beat a dead horse, but again, I was not trying to sound like a paranoid know it all. The tactic my two friends said that Uncle was going to employ came to reality. I honest don't trust anyone off aNotheR site and think this is only going to get worse. Another little bird has told me with the race coming up, and more and more conventions in town, our wonderful bible thumping Gov is going to start using the resources of the Troopers to bust more of our little hobby. BP is getting smaller and smaller everyday because the traveling groups of chicks with handlers won't come to Indy. They get busted.

Time to move to Cincy!

LingusUs41
05-14-13, 21:30
If the cops are so disgusted to have to get a handy and the chief feels horrible about having to send his poor officers into such stressful environment, I offer my services. I also offer to do this for free, knowing how cash strapped poor Carmel must be, just pay the hourly fee for AMP for nine months is cool with me.

Osirusss
05-15-13, 19:45
http://hammerandnigel.com/general/indy-1-is-prostitution-arrests/

Holy shit! I didn't know this!

TheBlindman
05-15-13, 21:36
Your hard earned tax dollars at work! What happened to arrests for drugs, car jacking, & murder?

AsianK
05-15-13, 23:03
http://hammerandnigel.com/general/indy-1-is-prostitution-arrests/

Holy shit! I didn't know this!This article is almost a year old. Bet it was just based on the arrest that happened in those 4 days.

B Beall
05-16-13, 07:57
This article is almost a year old. Bet it was just based on the arrest that happened in those 4 days.Yes, but, you know, the last couple days I've been wondering where it was I saw petite hottie (allegedly) Tabatha McLemore state that, in her professional experience, all men are swine, all hookers are walking Petrie dishes of venereal disease, and it's the Faithful Wives who suffer. I think they cut out the part where she called masturbation a gateway perversion.

AsianK
05-22-13, 16:16
http://fox59.com/2013/05/22/police-crack-high-end-prostitution-ring-operating-near-fashion-mall/

WheresMary
05-22-13, 17:34
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/impd-high-dollar-call-girl-ring-raided-near-fashion-mall

Wonder where they were advertising.

Indplsgent4fu
05-22-13, 19:31
From Chanel 8 news site:

"According to Investigators, a tip from someone known in the prostitution circle told police about Leblanc and her illegal activities."

Osirusss
05-22-13, 22:17
From Chanel 8 news site:

"According to Investigators, a tip from someone known in the prostitution circle told police about Leblanc and her illegal activities."Fucking Snitches!

Low Down
05-23-13, 07:35
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/impd-high-dollar-call-girl-ring-raided-near-fashion-mall

Wonder where they were advertising.I saw her twice years ago. Once alone and once as a duo. She was very UTR. I never saw any advertising except NatashaSmirnioff. Com. She was a very sweet accommodating person.

AsianK
05-23-13, 17:01
http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/crime/police-4-dancers-arrested-on-sex-charges

B Beall
05-23-13, 22:18
http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/crime/police-4-dancers-arrested-on-sex-chargesEh, it's Kokomo. A couple of city counselors there with a bug up their asses about strip clubs.

Interesting thing there, according to the news reports, is that it's a prostitution bust by observation, not participation. Cops were there, then they went out and got a warrant. So they might have been using civilian decoys. Otherwise they've got a ways to go to prove that money changed hands specifically to pay for some criminal deviant behavior. Otherwise it's just public indecency. Could be, with a religious-political movement afoot, they've got a judge on their side. Or it could be they're not real well versed in the law. Most likely they're throwing out charges for maximum effect, as part of a campaign to harass the clubs out of town.

BeastMode
05-29-13, 19:59
There are some interesting, fresh new faces posted on the uncles website.

B Beall
05-30-13, 13:48
It's a shit practice. It's the act of playground bullies with (apologies to Mark Twain) the self-assured superiority of a Christian holding four aces. Their little disclaimer ("All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law") just makes things worse, because they don't believe it for a minute, and if they did they wouldn't post pictures, at least not until after conviction. The police may be called upon to act as moral arbiters in the course of doing their jobs, but that's not the same thing as being appointed moral arbiters. The guy who makes your pizza may get to determine how many calories you get in a slice of his product, too, but that doesn't give him the right to critique your diet or post pictures of your fat ass.

I don't know whether to be amused that the primary use of their little monthly slideshow seems to be entertaining the hobbyist community, or repulsed by the fact that these people consider themselves morally superior to the rest of us, and we freely give them our attention.

Osirusss
05-30-13, 14:28
Vice got a fucking impressive lineup this time! A lot of AAA rated talent! Bravo Pigs!

West Central
05-30-13, 17:27
It's a shit practice. It's the act of playground bullies with (apologies to Mark Twain) the self-assured superiority of a Christian holding four aces. Their little disclaimer ("All persons are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law") just makes things worse, because they don't believe it for a minute, and if they did they wouldn't post pictures, at least not until after conviction. The police may be called upon to act as moral arbiters in the course of doing their jobs, but that's not the same thing as being appointed moral arbiters. The guy who makes your pizza may get to determine how many calories you get in a slice of his product, too, but that doesn't give him the right to critique your diet or post pictures of your fat ass.

I don't know whether to be amused that the primary use of their little monthly slideshow seems to be entertaining the hobbyist community, or repulsed by the fact that these people consider themselves morally superior to the rest of us, and we freely give them our attention.I hope that the most common use of the vice site is to alert hobbyists that certain providers have been compromised. Of course, those that have been probably won't be posted there until they've rolled over anyway.

Mwdude
05-30-13, 22:53
I hope that the most common use of the vice site is to alert hobbyists that certain providers have been compromised. Of course, those that have been probably won't be posted there until they've rolled over anyway.Exactly-I don't find the postings remotely entertaining, only informative.

Xyzzy2
05-30-13, 23:21
This is what LEO has to show for their million dollar federally funded Human Trafficking prevention efforts in Indpls. Oh yeah, and 5 taxpayer-funded handies in Carmel too. Almost forgot about those. No coincidence that vice is so much more active. They've got federal money to spend.

The lack of news stories covering actual human trafficking cases is astounding. Where are they? With all the news outlets and 24hr coverage, wouldn't you think you'd be able to find at least a handful of actual cases, suspects, and maybe one arrest story? If it was a real problem, it'd be hard to miss, don't you think?

The BO administration has thrown buckets of tax money at a problem to make themselves feel good, and our douchebag vice cops have spent like drunken sailors on leave. But where are the published trafficking cases here? C'mon guys. You're quick to put up pics of alleged hookers, mongers and pimps every month or so. Why not tell us about traffickers? Show us some results.

Something tells me the only thing close to trafficking in Indpls is picking up a local girl and driving her to a quiet spot.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Covenant60
06-06-13, 12:57
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130606/NEWS/306060020/IMPD-arrests-17-prostitution-blitz

Prostitution sting along 10th street.

Osirusss
06-06-13, 14:37
I hope that the most common use of the vice site is to alert hobbyists that certain providers have been compromised. Of course, those that have been probably won't be posted there until they've rolled over anyway.Those updates are provacative and on some level titualating. Also Indiana is sexually repressed. This probably is the main driver of traffic to that site!

GodzOwnDrunk
06-07-13, 21:38
I hope that the most common use of the vice site is to alert hobbyists that certain providers have been compromised. Of course, those that have been probably won't be posted there until they've rolled over anyway.I find it un-nerving to look at Uncles website and cross reference the names listed with incident reports and trial court case searches and find no incident reports filed and / or charges hidden in court cases with the notation "see file". It looks like a red flag to me.

https://www.biz.indygov.org/apps/police/incident/ia/incident_report?handler=incident_person_inquiry&prompt

http://mycase.in.gov/default.aspx

B Beall
06-08-13, 08:03
I find it un-nerving to look at Uncles website and cross reference the names listed with incident reports and trial court case searches and find no incident reports filed and / or charges hidden in court cases with the notation "see file". It looks like a red flag to me.

https://www.biz.indygov.org/apps/police/incident/ia/incident_report?handler=incident_person_inquiry&prompt

http://mycase.in.gov/default.aspxI can't speak to every case, or to how they operate the database, but "see file" can indicate a diversion program. And cases can be dropped, for any number of reasons.

Say again: nothing wrong with researching this stuff as part of your personal security program. But arrest records and case summaries are not the Holy Grail. Lots of those people are simple victims of archaic laws, public hypocrisy, and careerist public officials. Many of those who turn over accounts and such do so uncomprehendingly or out of fear. The two most notorious examples from last month had their mugshots right up there on Uncle Sugar's Wall o' * Shaming, same as those they tripped up.

West Central
06-09-13, 12:43
I find it un-nerving to look at Uncles website and cross reference the names listed with incident reports and trial court case searches and find no incident reports filed and / or charges hidden in court cases with the notation "see file". It looks like a red flag to me.

https://www.biz.indygov.org/apps/police/incident/ia/incident_report?handler=incident_person_inquiry&prompt

http://mycase.in.gov/default.aspxMarion County criminal courts are not in the Odyssey (mycase, in. Gov) database. You have to pay per-search and Per-record (about $11 per court record) through IndyGov. Doxpop is a little better (and includes the Odyssey database) , but still doesn't have most Marion County records.

Osirusss
06-09-13, 17:32
I can't speak to every case, or to how they operate the database, but "see file" can indicate a diversion program. And cases can be dropped, for any number of reasons.

Say again: nothing wrong with researching this stuff as part of your personal security program. But arrest records and case summaries are not the Holy Grail. Lots of those people are simple victims of archaic laws, public hypocrisy, and careerist public officials. Many of those who turn over accounts and such do so uncomprehendingly or out of fear. The two most notorious examples from last month had their mugshots right up there on Uncle Sugar's Wall o' * Shaming, same as those they tripped up.I agree with everything you said. But none of that tamps down most peoples intense curiosity as to who these people really are. In fact that turns these people from just some street working girl / john on some website into a real person with real lives and real problems! Just using that site as some perfunctory fact finding mission completely takes the human side out of the equation.

Xyzzy2
06-09-13, 22:27
Why it is that the only arrest pics on indy. Gov are prostitution-related? No pics of organized crime or gang arrests? No mention of any other criminal activity or investigations either? I guess we've solved all of those problems. Seems like it would be useful to show identity theft, rape, robbery, assault, battery, drunk driving, etc. Arrests, wouldn't it? Or can we only judge hookers and johns?

B Beall
06-10-13, 07:56
Why it is that the only arrest pics on indy. Gov are prostitution-related?All the others are presumed innocent.

Oh, sorry, they pay homage to that noble concept on the Vice page, don't they? In boilerplate. Like at the end of Cops.

Truth is, this is the Jab It In Your Eye response of the deflated authoritarian, and like so much else traces to the Sixties, when they lost the argument. (The reality is they lost it in the Fifties; in the Sixties they got steamrolled.) It's the jpg equivalent of your angry ex slashing all your dress shirts. You're talking about a police culture which largely accepts the Scumbag theory of jurisprudence, and is frustrated by public indifference to victimless crime.

Like so many other religious crusades these days: they can't sell people on the idea they're going to Hell anymore. So they try to give you a little extra while you're here.

Covenant60
06-26-13, 14:50
A Carmel man today is likely lamenting a decision to accept a woman's propositions late Tuesday night.

The 26-year-old man told police he was driving west along East Washington Street around 10:30 pm 'looking at properties' when a woman in a white tank top and blue jeans emerged from some bushes near Dequincy Street.

The man 'stated that when he stopped to answer her questions she got into his car, ' according to an Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department report. 'She told him that she was a 'working girl' and asked him if he wanted to have a good time. '

When the man seemed agreeable, the woman told him to park behind an apartment building in the 4800 block of East Washington Street, police said. He complied, the man told police, and the woman then told him to follow her into an apartment.

Once inside the apartment, the report states, the man expressed surprise that the unit was vacant. The woman reassured him, however, that he would enjoy himself.

At that point, however, two men wearing hoodies appeared from a back room, the man told police. One of them, brandishing a handgun, told the man to lie on the floor and take off his pants, the report states.

The two men in hoodies then took the Carmel man's phone, wallet and car keys, police said, and instructed him not to rise from the floor for five minutes or they would shoot him.

The man later left the apartment, went to a nearby home and asked to use a phone to call police.

Police recovered the man's pants in an alley behind the building, the report states, but did not find his phone, wallet or keys.

Robbery detectives are investigating the incident.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130626/NEWS02/306260025/Off-the-Beat-Carmel-man-ends-up-pantless-after-lured-to-Indy-apartment

B Beall
06-27-13, 06:48
I guess Carmel properties are out of his price range.

Covenant60
06-27-13, 09:45
I guess Carmel properties are out of his price range.I give the guy credit for coming up with a story and actually reporting the scumbags to the cops. Hopefully they will get what's coming to them.

Kevrob911
06-27-13, 17:55
Why it is that the only arrest pics on indy. Gov are prostitution-related? No pics of organized crime or gang arrests? No mention of any other criminal activity or investigations either? I guess we've solved all of those problems. Seems like it would be useful to show identity theft, rape, robbery, assault, battery, drunk driving, etc. Arrests, wouldn't it? Or can we only judge hookers and johns?Well come on Xyzzy2! Don't you know that men that are engaging in an activity with a willing participant where there is no violence and both parties are peaceably engaging in a,"ahem","transaction" that its going to fucking destroy Indianapolis?

I have my theories about this, and basically, they are busting the guys that can pay for their law enforcement charade. They have to put the hardened, murderous types in jail- that's how Mike Pence and other self righteous FUCKS get re-elected."Oh look what we did, we put this shithead in jail that cut head of off preschoolers!" The dirty little secret is that they fund all of this by harassing citizens for things like paying a girl for a "good time" and driving 10mph over the speed limit. All of this happens while they are ALSO taking a significant portion of your income in income tax and sales tax.

LeeWill
07-02-13, 12:12
I'm surprised to a couple of faces on our Uncles website for this month. Be careful!

Best Swimmer
07-08-13, 10:16
LEO had lunch with a couple of providers and the providers posted OKs on LE profiles.

Dig a little deeper before saying the providers just advertised on P411.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23479062/prostitution-bust-nets-22-denver-metro-area

Best Swimmer
07-08-13, 10:19
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/real_life/4977903/Man-with-10st-testicles-unhappy-as-removal-leaves-him-with-1inch-penis.html

TryinAgain2
07-08-13, 17:59
LEO had lunch with a couple of providers and the providers posted OKs on LE profiles.

Dig a little deeper before saying the providers just advertised on P411.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23479062/prostitution-bust-nets-22-denver-metro-areaFrom that article: ["Previous investigations nationally have shown links to this type of website may involve human trafficking violations," the release said. ]

Right. Same garbage they try to say here, but with all of the arrests, all of the media coverage, not one case of "human trafficking" has ever come to light that I've seen. And you know if they got just one, EVEN ONE, they would be signing about it for months. It's really becoming a tired and ridiculous excuse the public shouldn't be buying anymore.

TaZ

B Beall
07-08-13, 21:17
From that article: ["Previous investigations nationally have shown links to this type of website may involve human trafficking violations," the release said. ]

Right. Same garbage they try to say here, but with all of the arrests, all of the media coverage, not one case of "human trafficking" has ever come to light that I've seen. And you know if they got just one, EVEN ONE, they would be signing about it for months. It's really becoming a tired and ridiculous excuse the public shouldn't be buying anymore.

TaZIt's a PR campaign, and it's being managed very well, which is one of the reasons we can be reasonably sure there's a lot of (tax-exempt) money behind it.

Since Indy has been leading the nation lately in number of prostitution arrests by a police force 25% deficient in manpower, Denver may be a little behind the times. Think about the headline-making busts here. The hysteria leading up to the Super Bowl was just allowed to fizzle quietly; local reporters are selected for not having memories which extend beyond the previous Monday. The AMP deal in Carmel looks to've been the high-water mark of using Sex Slavery as a justification and, of course, they came away with nothing except egg on their faces, and a few handjobs. In the Natasha Smirnoff Caper, which seems to've fallen into their laps, but almost certainly involved the Feds, they were very quick to announce there was no trafficking. The early summer street sweeping was all about solving every unsolved homicide in the city. Oh, and combatting STDs, which is probably something you'll hear more about in the future. I think the talent behind the PR campaign is savvy enough to warn Leo that the public will catch on if they keep talking about it and showing zero results.

And any PR campaign will eventually face the problem that its bright shiny new packaging gets old and tired-looking, and its miracle claims start getting looked at skeptically. But where money and Calvinism cross politics such things can be surprisingly evergreen. Think States' Rights, or the War on Drugs.

Best Swimmer
07-09-13, 11:54
From that article: ["Previous investigations nationally have shown links to this type of website may involve human trafficking violations," the release said. ]

Right. Same garbage they try to say here, but with all of the arrests, all of the media coverage, not one case of "human trafficking" has ever come to light that I've seen. And you know if they got just one, EVEN ONE, they would be signing about it for months. It's really becoming a tired and ridiculous excuse the public shouldn't be buying anymore.

TaZHere another story about it. These types of activities can mask something bigger, like a much larger network of child prostitution or sex trafficking,"

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130703/LOCAL/130709843#

Next time someone asks how far LEO will go? From the story, Spa was also targeted in March 2011 after an employee performed a sexual act on an undercover officer, according to court records.

They did the same at the Carmel Spa, got service for 6 months BEFORE the bust and we paid for it.

B Beall
07-09-13, 20:17
Here another story about it. These types of activities can mask something bigger, like a much larger network of child prostitution or sex trafficking,"

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130703/LOCAL/130709843#That's not reporting, it's stenography.


city officers with the vice and narcotics division and others operated a day-long prostitution investigation using anonymous tips and online posts to track and arrest individuals involved with prostitution activitiesThe cops get to pretend they can arrest people based on anonymous tips and online posts. The Boys from Narco are in on a bust of two AMPs. What, did they imagine there was an opium den in back?

People read this stuff and imagine it's accurate.

Fastfish70
07-11-13, 01:41
GeezAss-Can't say we weren't warned. Nuts anyone?

Liminal
07-11-13, 07:53
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/police-porn-actress-busted-in-prostitution-sting

Looks like Keystone is the place to find the talent (or get busted)!

SuperMtta
07-11-13, 14:41
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/police-porn-actress-busted-in-prostitution-sting

Looks like Keystone is the place to find the talent (or get busted)!Yes, it was all over backpages.

Fastfish70
07-13-13, 09:10
Looks like she is going to be busy for a few years. And I can't help but say I want to get on her schedule even more.

http://www.jconline.com/article/20130712/NEWS03/307120020/Attempted-murder-West-Lafayette

Liminal
07-24-13, 08:16
Looks like uncle has visited Relax.

http://www.wthr.com/story/22915669/2013/07/23/woman-56-arrested-for-prostitution-at-fishers-spa

AsianK
07-24-13, 12:40
Fishers finest at it again.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/woman-offers-sex-for-payment-to-undercover-officer

Xyzzy2
07-24-13, 14:45
This is the official notice from FPD. Move over Carmel, Fishers is nipping at your heels!


The Fishers Police Department has received several complaints from citizens about possible prostitution activity in various locations within Fishers. Over the course of the last several months detectives have collected information, conducted surveillance and made arrests at some of those locations.

On July 23, 2013 detectives investigated the Relax Spa located at 7245 Fishers Landing Drive. An undercover officer was sent into the location and Rui Qing Xie, a 56 year old Asian female, agreed to perform a sex act in exchange for money.

XXXXXXX was arrested and transported to the Hamilton County Jail where she was booked on one count of prostitution. At this time XXXXXXXX is awaiting formal charges.

This arrest has confirmed the need for additional investigations focusing on prostitution in the area.

I guess the soccer moms in Fishers don't like Asian competition either. Maybe if they gave it up a little easier there would be no need for hubby to look for outsourced relief.

No mention of how many handies it took before they decided to arrest her. I love the rationalization in the last sentence too. I wonder what the SW scene is like there?

Cain88
07-29-13, 19:11
http://fox59.com/2013/07/29/fbi-arrests-150-rescues-105-children-in-prostitution-crackdown/#axzz2atcd0bef.

i know i'm going to get lambasted for this (and probably get flamed and called a cop etc etc) , but human trafficking does exist, and every **** girl that was rescued is worth the price paid, whatever it was.

TryinAgain2
07-29-13, 19:30
http://fox59.com/2013/07/29/fbi-arrests-150-rescues-105-children-in-prostitution-crackdown/

#axzz2atcd0bef.

i know i'm going to get lambasted for this (and probably get flamed and called a cop etc etc) , but human trafficking does exist, and every **** girl that was rescued is worth the price paid, whatever it was.anyone that disagrees with you on that is a sick bastard. the problem i have is that there are kids out there being exploited and le spends (wastes, really) all of their time and resources going after the money, ie, consenting adults and getting hand jobs at amp's for months just to ensure they can collect their cash. that's what's really sick about le. they couldn't care less about the kids except that it makes headlines so they can keep their funding and continue going after the adults that play. same as it ever was and (unfortunately) will be.

taz

Best Swimmer
07-30-13, 00:12
http://fox59.com/2013/07/29/fbi-arrests-150-rescues-105-children-in-prostitution-crackdown/

#axzz2atcd0bef.

i know i'm going to get lambasted for this (and probably get flamed and called a cop etc etc) , but human trafficking does exist, and every **** girl that was rescued is worth the price paid, whatever it was.a lot of hobbyist and providers are parents and are glad that rings like this, get busted.

Mwdude
07-30-13, 10:16
A lot of Hobbyist and Providers are parents and are glad that rings like this, get busted.I hope whoever sets up something like that gets fried. Disgusting.

I don't think police should be messing around with adults that want to have some innocent adult fun, however.

LeeWill
07-30-13, 11:23
It may be related to the aforementioned article in a very "throw some shit on the wall and see if it sticks" kind of thinking, but would be par for the course. First let me chime in that any of the crap that was the focus of the weekends efforts should have some people extinguished from this planet, we are an odd and perhaps less than accepted form of amusers, but we are adults doing adult things of our own choosing, anything else is never acceptable. That being said, not sure there is a thread to post this in, and although it could have severe consequences for hobbiests this is probably more meant for providers anyway. Not going into great detail here, if I know you, ask and I will reply as soon as I can, but Le was doing a different kind of sweep with some very questionable tactics yesterday in what is fairly well travelled path for many of us. In the two cases I know of.no harm done oddly enough thanks to quick witted and high self esteem individuals, but potential for disaster with many I suspect.1000 Posts Wow that must some kind of record. Congrats and thanks for all the wisdom you have provided over the years.

Ilapp
07-30-13, 11:27
1000 Posts Wow that must some kind of record. Congrats and thanks for all the wisdom you have provided over the years.Not even close. Even my old buddy here TN passed that years ago and is working on 2K-Speaking of I need to call for his assistance on the road as usual.

AsianK
07-31-13, 11:49
Question for the wise ones, media hypes up these mp bust and says police will review client list / video surveillance and will prosecute people visiting these establishments. My question is, is it legal and what proof do they have besides suspicion?

RedFox2120
07-31-13, 13:55
Unless they catch you in the act there is not much you can do. Think about it some people did go there and end up just getting a massage. The boss lady was strict sometimes.

That being said remember leo can lie to you. Confess to nothing unless they show you proof and even then don't admit anything. It is legal for them to lie to you. They can say we have you on video tape receiving services. Ask to see the tape. If they don't show you anything they are bluffing.

The only thing they can convict you on is if you confess. I'd be skeptical going back there. Doesn't make sense to just arrest one person and leave the place open. If anything they will probably be setting up stings there to catch the Johns in the act since that is the only way they can convict you.

Best Swimmer
08-13-13, 07:19
First porn film has been recorded using Google Glass.

http://www.handbag.com/life/news/a501915/first-porn-film-has-been-recorded-using-google-glass.html

Golden Country
08-26-13, 13:32
Posted today on Comcast

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130826/EU-Switzerland-Sex-Boxes/

TommyTopp
08-26-13, 14:12
First porn film has been recorded using Google Glass.

http://www.handbag.com/life/news/a501915/first-porn-film-has-been-recorded-using-google-glass.htmlLove the idea, I think I would of done something more memorable or ground breaking, first one not good or interesting. I need to change careers and direct porn, I think I can make lots of people happy!

Best Swimmer
08-27-13, 15:58
Love the idea, I think I would of done something more memorable or ground breaking, first one not good or interesting. I need to change careers and direct porn, I think I can make lots of people happy!They had to keep it clean for youtube, thing is Google Glass also carries facial recognition technology. Which I don't like!

Now what happens if they start putting these in hotel offices? I don't have a mug shot but have been in the media.

Every year "we the people" have less privacy.

TryinAgain2
08-27-13, 18:41
They had to keep it clean for youtube, thing is Google Glass also carries facial recognition technology. Which I don't like!

Now what happens if they start putting these in hotel offices? I don't have a mug shot but have been in the media.

Every year "we the people" have less privacy.
Posted today on Comcast.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130826/EU-Switzerland-Sex-Boxes/She's out of the biz, I only saw her once, and anyone that saw her will know who I mean, I'm sure, but a favorite of mine had a home with an attached garage. She told me to pull into the garage and close the door before knocking. Scared the living shit out of me. I envisioned a Swat team repelling down from the ceiling once I closed the door and trapped myself, LOL. But after I saw her, even just that one time, I'd take that risk and more to see her again.

TaZ

Bad Bad Man
09-04-13, 12:00
Looks like the crew at Patty's might be out of contact for a while.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/24-felony-counts-aimed-at-pattys-showclub-workers

MainStreet
09-19-13, 11:41
What happened to uncle's wall of shame? They haven't posted any pictures in a couple of months. Did they get this Human trafficking thing all ironed out and go on to the next crisis? Wishful thinking.

Jpww1978
09-19-13, 15:33
Maybe they stopped making arrests, LOL. I'm sure they still take some free tail, but maybe they just do it off the record now.


What happened to uncle's wall of shame? They haven't posted any pictures in a couple of months. Did they get this Human trafficking thing all ironed out and go on to the next crisis? Wishful thinking.

Biscuit8
09-23-13, 00:33
Uncles website is available again. Only 2 pics after the extended outage. Might be time to get a new webmaster.

Hotforty
09-24-13, 08:45
Maybe they got the webmaster in a previous arrest?


Uncles website is available again. Only 2 pics after the extended outage. Might be time to get a new webmaster.

Jpww1978
09-30-13, 13:24
Be careful!

"No respondents were identified as human traffic victims, investigators said."

Read more: http://fox59.com/2013/09/30/prostitution-sting-nets-seven-arrests-citations/#ixzz2gOjDFOc4

West Central
09-30-13, 18:08
Be careful!

"No respondents were identified as human traffic victims, investigators said."

Read more:

http://fox59.com/2013/09/30/prostitution-sting-nets-seven-arrests-citations/

#ixzz2gOjDFOc4Well, we knew it was coming.

http://www.wishtv.com/news/local/undercover-sting-nets-seven-arrests

Member #4397
10-01-13, 01:12
The website has been updated FYI. I noticed at least one on there that I've seen in ads and considered calling. Beware.

WheresMary
10-01-13, 14:47
Well, we knew it was coming.

http://www.wishtv.com/news/local/undercover-sting-nets-seven-arrestsI didn't know it was coming. I recently visited one of the seven at the Hilton. I didn't even know there was an escort license? How many hours of schooling do you need for that? Not quite clear to me. Did they all get a ticket or did they get a ticket and get arrested. I think both. How did they decide who to hit. There are 546 escorts listed on NR. Are they going to work through all of them? New SOP for uncle?

ThrobThrob
10-01-13, 20:53
The website has been updated FYI. I noticed at least one on there that I've seen in ads and considered calling. Beware.There is also a somewhat known local businessperson on that list. Wowza.

Biscuit8
10-03-13, 23:01
Was wondering if anyone was familiar with the people in the latest wish tv news info. She is the in the top row middle person in the group shot. LB initials. Please pm if anyone is familiar with her. Trying to be a little vague here LOL.

Best Swimmer
12-09-13, 01:49
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/08/justice/craigslist-thrill-killing/

Tonto2038
12-09-13, 09:50
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/08/justice/craigslist-thrill-killing/I saw this either in the Star or another publication also. It sure makes one rethink the hobby. Hard to TOFTT when this stuff goes on. Do your homework and be safe guys. Also, have a happy holiday.

Ferreal1
01-23-14, 13:22
I'm not posting this to encourage or disparage us hobbyists, but just to simply show that the actual numbers and alarmists claims of "forced prostitution" are wildly different. The media loves to report on highly inflated numbers, but doesn't follow up sufficiently with supporting data.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140118/NEWS07/301180069/Super-Bowl-on-guard-for-human-trafficking-criminals

WheresMary
01-27-14, 15:52
"Some of the prostitution arrests stemmed from traditional street surveillance, according to police reports, while others involved undercover detectives meeting suspects at area motels after IMPD placed online ads offering sex acts for pay.".

http://www.indystar.com/article/20140127/NEWS02/301270011/IMPD-cracks-down-prostitution-30-arrests

Lktahoenv
01-28-14, 01:35
"Some of the prostitution arrests stemmed from traditional street surveillance, according to police reports, while others involved undercover detectives meeting suspects at area motels after IMPD placed online ads offering sex acts for pay.".

http://www.indystar.com/article/20140127/NEWS02/301270011/IMPD-cracks-down-prostitution-30-arrestsJust how many detectives, officers, sergeants, captains, etc. Were used to produce these stings? All while the home invasion robberies and shootings are continuing. The bad guys from Detroit know that Indy doesn't care about violent crimes and would rather spend their resources setting up hobbyists. There's no question as to why the Detroit criminals are infiltrating our great city.

BagoHammer1
01-28-14, 15:07
Just how many detectives, officers, sergeants, captains, etc. Were used to produce these stings? All while the home invasion robberies and shootings are continuing. The bad guys from Detroit know that Indy doesn't care about violent crimes and would rather spend their resources setting up hobbyists. There's no question as to why the Detroit criminals are infiltrating our great city.This looks like an old report? 2011?

WheresMary
01-28-14, 15:29
This looks like an old report? 2011?IndyStar 9:51 am EST January 27,2014.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/01/27/impd-cracks-down-on-prostitution-with-30-arrests/4936589/

BagoHammer1
01-28-14, 15:42
IndyStar 9:51 am EST January 27,2014.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/01/27/impd-cracks-down-on-prostitution-with-30-arrests/4936589/I just had a gal attempt contact via text yesterday. I just had a conversation with her about only letting me initiate conversation. Kind of weird.

LeeWill
01-29-14, 09:48
Parker City is near Muncie. I seen this ad on Craigslist and almost went for it, but when I got there, something felt off so I did not go in. It looks like that was a good decision!

http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014301290011

Stay safe my friends!

Leewill.

WheresMary
01-30-14, 16:27
A Senate committee passed a bill that would help clubs cut down on human trafficking.

Senate Bill 272, authored by Sen. Jim Buck, are-Kokomo, would allow the Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco Commission to revoke, suspend, or refuse to renew the alcohol permit of a person who provides adult entertainment if an adult performer has ever been convicted of a criminal offense.

The commission would also be able to revoke the retailer's permit if the criminal offense was committed on the premises of the permit holder's establishment, such as human trafficking at a strip club.

The bill passed unanimously and now moves to the full Senate.

Hoosier Boy
02-02-14, 11:11
Parker City is near Muncie. I seen this ad on Craigslist and almost went for it, but when I got there, something felt off so I did not go in. It looks like that was a good decision!

http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014301290011

Stay safe my friends!

Leewill.Craigslist is a waste. In the "casual encounters" area (w4 m), about all responses eventually lead to someone wanting the respondent to "verify" themselves on a false web page. It always entails providing credit card information and when opening the "terms and conditions" link, you'll always find that its a ruse to join a fake dating service for $29.95 monthly, to be deducted automatically.

Ilapp
02-03-14, 12:19
A Senate committee passed a bill that would help clubs cut down on human trafficking.

Senate Bill 272, authored by Sen. Jim Buck, are-Kokomo, would allow the Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco Commission to revoke, suspend, or refuse to renew the alcohol permit of a person who provides adult entertainment if an adult performer has ever been convicted of a criminal offense.

The commission would also be able to revoke the retailer's permit if the criminal offense was committed on the premises of the permit holder's establishment, such as human trafficking at a strip club.

The bill passed unanimously and now moves to the full Senate.Virtually all entertainers will have to be the very young ones we tend to love so much, since any longevity in that kind of lifestyle tends to lend itself to issues which may eliminate that sort of occupation under this proposed law. In addition, those that can no longer earn their living as an entertainer may mean a flood of new talent in the provider category since their skillsets may limit more mainstream opportunities. The fricking idiots would rather put ladies that are at least trying to earn their keep in a legal manner, whether you agree with it in terms of morality or not, out on the street, both literally and figuratively in some cases, or on to the welfare dole. The nimwits aren't bright enough to see the realistic consequences of their trying to backdoor legislate morality. Of course this bill sponsor, being from Kokomo, may just be trying to get even with some hottie at The Hugger who turned down his indecent proposals after she had shared her personal story of legal issues. What the fools don't get: " Pussy always wins".

BBIndy
02-04-14, 23:27
A Senate committee passed a bill that would help clubs cut down on human trafficking.

Senate Bill 272, authored by Sen. Jim Buck, are-Kokomo, would allow the Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco Commission to revoke, suspend, or refuse to renew the alcohol permit of a person who provides adult entertainment if an adult performer has ever been convicted of a criminal offense.

The commission would also be able to revoke the retailer's permit if the criminal offense was committed on the premises of the permit holder's establishment, such as human trafficking at a strip club.

The bill passed unanimously and now moves to the full Senate.Sounds like Indy will be seeing a lot of new, young talent at the strip clubs in the future. I'm guessing that at least half of the career strippers around here have some kind of criminal record. This law will most likely drive the unemployable strippers into full time prostitution.

WalidAlmusari
02-05-14, 04:19
Fuck the Government (State or Federal).

Lktahoenv
02-05-14, 20:54
This looks like an old report? 2011?Old report...? No.

These 30 arrests just happened in January of 2014, I was commenting on that.

BagoHammer1
02-06-14, 13:15
Sounds like Indy will be seeing a lot of new, young talent at the strip clubs in the future. I'm guessing that at least half of the career strippers around here have some kind of criminal record. This law will most likely drive the unemployable strippers into full time prostitution.This just means less taxes paid by strippers and more backpage action. Stupid.

Indydude
02-06-14, 14:13
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) – Undercover detectives arrested 61 people in a prostitution sting.

By Julian GracePublished: Thursday, February 6, 2014,1:06 pm.

Investigators with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department used undercover detectives to meet the suspects at motels across the city. In some cases, ads were placed online offering sex acts for payment.

The investigation also yielded 21 towed vehicles, $650 in cash, and some marijuana. Once arrested, many of the suspects are ordered to take classes to learn about the dangers of prostitution.

http://wishtv.com/2014/02/06/impd-nabs-dozens-in-prostitution-investigation/

Jpww1978
02-06-14, 15:51
Ain't that some shit.


INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) – Undercover detectives arrested 61 people in a prostitution sting.

By Julian GracePublished: Thursday, February 6, 2014,1:06 pm.

Investigators with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department used undercover detectives to meet the suspects at motels across the city. In some cases, ads were placed online offering sex acts for payment.

The investigation also yielded 21 towed vehicles, $650 in cash, and some marijuana. Once arrested, many of the suspects are ordered to take classes to learn about the dangers of prostitution.

http://wishtv.com/2014/02/06/impd-nabs-dozens-in-prostitution-investigation/

BBIndy
02-06-14, 17:09
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) – Undercover detectives arrested 61 people in a prostitution sting.

By Julian GracePublished: Thursday, February 6, 2014,1:06 pm.

Investigators with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department used undercover detectives to meet the suspects at motels across the city. In some cases, ads were placed online offering sex acts for payment.

The investigation also yielded 21 towed vehicles, $650 in cash, and some marijuana. Once arrested, many of the suspects are ordered to take classes to learn about the dangers of prostitution.

http://wishtv.com/2014/02/06/impd-nabs-dozens-in-prostitution-investigation/I thought some of those ads looked suspicious. I answered one a while back, went to the location, and noticed some nervous looking guy staring at me out of the lobby window as I walked in. When I went in, he disappeared quickly down the hallway. I went to the room, and the girl was way too good looking for the price. She was at least a 9-10 on any scale. She wanted me to pay, then get completely unclothed while she went into the bathroom. All the time, she kept her distance. I had a bad feeling, so I got out of there as fast as I could and never looked back. BTW, she didn't ask for any references at all.

BFDeal
02-07-14, 10:48
This is why God put Cincinnati right down Interstate 74. Nice rural drive. Couple good restaurants on the way. Hot chicks. Very little LE. Just have to watch out for the drug addicts. The real cheap ones are the heroin users, and that's the only negative.

BFDeal


I thought some of those ads looked suspicious. I answered one a while back, went to the location, and noticed some nervous looking guy staring at me out of the lobby window as I walked in. When I went in, he disappeared quickly down the hallway. I went to the room, and the girl was way too good looking for the price. She was at least a 9-10 on any scale. She wanted me to pay, then get completely unclothed while she went into the bathroom. All the time, she kept her distance. I had a bad feeling, so I got out of there as fast as I could and never looked back. BTW, she didn't ask for any references at all.

Strip Junkie
02-07-14, 19:55
This is why God put Cincinnati right down Interstate 74. Nice rural drive. Couple good restaurants on the way. Hot chicks. Very little LE. Just have to watch out for the drug addicts. The real cheap ones are the heroin users, and that's the only negative.

BFDealThat's odd, I am an AMP type of guy and I take occasional trips to Indy because of the shortage of AMPs in our fair metropolis.

Dave30
02-08-14, 02:19
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) – Undercover detectives arrested 61 people in a prostitution sting.

By Julian GracePublished: Thursday, February 6, 2014,1:06 pm.

Investigators with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department used undercover detectives to meet the suspects at motels across the city. In some cases, ads were placed online offering sex acts for payment.

The investigation also yielded 21 towed vehicles, $650 in cash, and some marijuana. Once arrested, many of the suspects are ordered to take classes to learn about the dangers of prostitution.

http://wishtv.com/2014/02/06/impd-nabs-dozens-in-prostitution-investigation/On the night this story came out, 2-6-14 (a day ago), I got a cold text from someone I met about a month before offering a special price. I didn't respond but I'm just now seeing this story and I'm wondering if they cold call to trap people LOL. Should I be concerned?

Avagddu
02-08-14, 07:33
On the night this story came out, 2-6-14 (a day ago), I got a cold text from someone I met about a month before offering a special price. I didn't respond but I'm just now seeing this story and I'm wondering if they cold call to trap people LOL. Should I be concerned?These days it's better to be overly safe than regretfully sorry. An unsolicited text from someone is bad enough under normal circumstances. Especially if you don't know them well and more so if their verification practices are weak, or worse none existent. There have been so many busts lately that it is highly likely a phone was confiscated and LE is going through it trying to bait their next victim. I would suggest that anything that sets off your spidey sense as abnormal, questionable, or in anyway endangering is better left alone.

BFDeal
02-08-14, 09:34
In our fair metropolis, AMPs will be the next series of busts, especially with all the recent reports on here. It's like clockwork.

BFDeal


That's odd, I am an AMP type of guy and I take occasional trips to Indy because of the shortage of AMPs in our fair metropolis.

BBIndy
02-08-14, 11:27
On the night this story came out, 2-6-14 (a day ago), I got a cold text from someone I met about a month before offering a special price. I didn't respond but I'm just now seeing this story and I'm wondering if they cold call to trap people LOL. Should I be concerned?I've heard they do that. They confiscate the phones, so your number is in there. That's why I always use a prepaid phone that's usually off, so they don't have my real cell number, and my name isn't attached to the number.

Either that or she just got out of jail and needs to pay the bail money back fast. But if the price was a lot cheaper than normal, there's a good chance LE was texting you.

West Central
02-08-14, 21:01
I've heard they do that. They confiscate the phones, so your number is in there. That's why I always use a prepaid phone that's usually off, so they don't have my real cell number, and my name isn't attached to the number.

Either that or she just got out of jail and needs to pay the bail money back fast. But if the price was a lot cheaper than normal, there's a good chance LE was texting you.Not that it hasn't been said on here 1000 times before, but having a burner for hobby purposes is an absolute must! Giving a working girl your real phone number can come back to bite you in so many ways. LE can of course look up the owner of the number easily. Even non-official folks can look up a lot of numbers nowadays. If you ever use the same number on Craigslist, Facebook, or anywhere else on the internet, she can now find out more information about you. And of course the more obvious issue, she can call you at inopportune times, give your number to other people (including LE), or even sell her contact list to scammers and telemarketers. I'm not nearly as active these days, but when I was I turned over my phones every 3 months or so, faster if I ran into any kind of trouble.

Best Swimmer
02-17-14, 09:26
I saw this either in the Star or another publication also. It sure makes one rethink the hobby. Hard to TOFTT when this stuff goes on. Do your homework and be safe guys. Also, have a happy holiday.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/08/justice/craigslist-thrill-killing/Serial killer? Saw this again on the news this morning, she has admitted to killing to under 100 men and stopped counting at 22.