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Davidonecall
04-19-11, 07:36
Look at what is happening in Long Island. Someone in New York has gone nuts. SW and providers are doing us a favor and we returned the favor. Lately I have notice providers and SW reading this site let's be careful.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20110415/ts_csm/377413_1
Good way to see posts on any news I've missed while being out of town.
Davidonecall
04-27-11, 14:14
I wonder where was he at when we were looking for a candidate to run for major for the City of Chicago. He is all for decriminalizing prostitution. You know who I was going to vote for.
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/fieger-suggests-detroit-become-hip-by-decriminalizing-prostitution-and-cannabis
Davidonecall
04-27-11, 17:57
Just found this story from the Sun-Times, about a provider who killed a hobbies because he gave her STD. I don't know how I would handle a news like that!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/ashley-steele-prostitute-_n_846133.html
Be careful out there!
http://triblocal.com/elmhurst/2011/04/27/5-arrested-in-prostitution-bust-in-elmhurst/
http://www.chillicothetimesbulletin.com/news/x1200370692/Chillicothe-Dunlap-man-arrested-in-prostitution-sting
http://www.pekintimes.com/news/x464041880/Prostitution-sting-leads-to-discipline
Davidonecall
05-02-11, 21:21
http://www.pekintimes.com/news/x464041880/Prostitution-sting-leads-to-discipline
I can't believe what they are outing this guy trew. He know something was wrong. He followed the rules of this hobby and left without offering money for sex. He is paying a bigger price then the others who walked away or the one who were arrested.
I can't believe what they are outing this guy trew. He know something was wrong. He followed the rules of this hobby and left without offering money for sex. He is paying a bigger price then the others who walked away or the one who were arrested.Yep, they went hard on him because you know of the rivalry between the Police and Firemen in ALL communities. And WHO do you think overall the good guys are?
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110506/APC0101/110506182/Fine-payments-trickle-from-Appleton-prostitution-probe?odyssey=nav
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Davidonecall
05-08-11, 01:31
Let be safe.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-in-midwestprostituti.0, 6057266. Story
Sting in Elmhurst,
http://triblocal.com/elmhurst/2011/04/27/5-arrested-in-prostitution-bust-in-elmhurst/
Davidonecall
05-08-11, 01:47
Let's be careful with BP and ads.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-craigslist-update-20110420.0, 2608857. Story
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Cities+wrestling+with+regulating+massage+parlours/4742417/story.html
Let's be careful with BP and ads.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-craigslist-update-20110420
0, 2608857. StoryThanks for posting the stories, or at least trying. Of the three, only the triblocal link was working. The other two came back with a 'cannot find page' error. Does look as though LEO has decided to put down the donuts and start to (pretend to) 'do something about crime'.
Davidonecall
05-08-11, 14:35
Thanks for posting the stories, or at least trying. Of the three, only the triblocal link was working. The other two came back with a 'cannot find page' error. Does look as though LEO has decided to put down the donuts and start to (pretend to) 'do something about crime'.
I was trying, Sorry I guess you have to open it trew the Chicago tribune.
Ray Ray 98
05-08-11, 18:00
Let's be careful with BP and ads.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-craigslist-update-20110420
0, 2608857. StoryHere you go:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-craigslist-update-20110420,0,2608857.story
Appreciate the link rayray, and as far as your post, dave, well, sometimes site will do that to you. No way to know until someone tries to open it and gets a dead-end. Appreciate the effort though.
Let's be careful with BP and ads.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-craigslist-update-20110420
0, 2608857. StoryYes we DO have to be careful. I guess what I worry about is that you never know who is on the other side of the ad, until you show up at the door, and it may be too late. At least with driving around, you can sometimes check out your surroundings and get a feel for the lady. Things seem to be getting tougher all around.
Davidonecall
05-12-11, 02:03
In the news you have Leo as hobbies. You have some that act like they are not in favor of this but its a lie.
http://heraldnews.suntimes.com/news/5321221-418/channahon-officer-suspended-for-part-in-strip-club-brawl.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/APe6b6a590447a4ce6b32b2788f47bc0a9.html
Davidonecall
05-12-11, 15:13
This came form a Senior Member in St. Louis.
Casab69
Senior Member
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Reports:42Sort of off topic but sort of on topic. Jackson don't kill me
I saw this little tid bit thought I would share for your info.
http://newswire.uark.edu/article.aspx?id=16181
Mi Casa Tu Casa
Davidonecall
05-12-11, 15:57
I have been with lot of SW and they all say that Leo always pick them up and have everything for free. One told me that she always have a regular Leo that call her all of the time but he give her somthing. One once told me that the same Leo who was with her them turn and arrested on a miner thing.
http://www.suntimes.com/5340648-561/victim-assaulted-by-2-chicago-cops-so-drunk-she-couldnt-consent-prosecutors.html
I have been with lot of SW and they all say that Leo always pick them up and have everything for free. One told me that she always have a regular Leo that call her all of the time but he give her somthing. One once told me that the same Leo who was with her them turn and arrested on a miner thing.
http://www.suntimes.com/5340648-561/victim-assaulted-by-2-chicago-cops-so-drunk-she-couldnt-consent-prosecutors.htmlIt sounds like these two think their badges make them special, and they can do anything. Personally, I hope they go to jail and find out what it feels like to be on the receiving end.
http://barbara.guanabee.com/2011/05/brazilian-woman-wins-right-masturbate-work/
Davidonecall
05-15-11, 02:59
This happen in Indianapolis and it should never happen to a provider. Members are burning up this site with comments on how wrong this Freckle Freak is. Wanted to share this. It is are own news. Let be safe for everyone.
Originally Posted by Freckle Freak I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it. We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5. Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me. So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? FF. PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles.
This happen in Indianapolis and it should never happen to a provider. Members are burning up this site with comments on how wrong this Freckle Freak is. Wanted to share this. It is are own news. Let be safe for everyone.
Originally Posted by Freckle Freak I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it. We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5. Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me. So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? FF. PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. Even though you may be clean if a woman says cover or no go means just that. You shouldve worn a rubber for respecting her wishes. Some women are just passive agressive like that. They say its okay but in their mind its not so you have to be careful and not end up with a rape charge. By the way, some girls want you to cover cause they may have something and just want to protect you. Just something to think about.
Even though you may be clean if a woman says cover or no go means just that. You shouldve worn a rubber for respecting her wishes. Some women are just passive agressive like that. They say its okay but in their mind its not so you have to be careful and not end up with a rape charge. By the way, some girls want you to cover cause they may have something and just want to protect you. Just something to think about.Agreed. There was absolutely no call to do what he did to her. No means no, and if I were her I'd file a rape charge. Let's treat these ladies with class, dignity, and respect, and a better time will be experienced by all.
Stay safe!
Even though you may be clean if a woman says cover or no go means just that. You shouldve worn a rubber for respecting her wishes. Some women are just passive agressive like that. They say its okay but in their mind its not so you have to be careful and not end up with a rape charge. By the way, some girls want you to cover cause they may have something and just want to protect you. Just something to think about.This incident happened in Indianapolis not Chicago. This was posted by David to make us aware.
CDT
This happen in Indianapolis and it should never happen to a provider. Members are burning up this site with comments on how wrong this Freckle Freak is. Wanted to share this. It is are own news. Let be safe for everyone.
Originally Posted by Freckle Freak I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it. We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5. Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me. So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? FF. PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles.If I knew who this guy was I would beat him half to death, then I would tell him he wanted it and he didn't fight back enough, that's why I'll continue to beat the $#it out of him. He basically raped the girl then paid her.
This happen in Indianapolis and it should never happen to a provider. Members are burning up this site with comments on how wrong this Freckle Freak is. Wanted to share this. It is are own news. Let be safe for everyone.
Originally Posted by Freckle Freak I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it. We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5. Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me. So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? FF. PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles.What a fucking moron this guy is. He rapes a woman, then can't figure out why everyone gets on his ass when he tells tells about it? Odds are, no matter how much she might need the money, she's not going to be meeting any more men, and that's a very understandable response. I have to agree with the guy who said he wishes he could find this douche and beat hell out of him, though that might be going a bit too easy on him.
Davidonecall
05-17-11, 22:16
Just in case you where wondering, this is the latest.
Originally Posted by Freckle Freak I go on vacation for a week and see what happens. Funny comment? Maybe yes, definitely no to many others. I thought it was funny because humor has not been in my life much the past two weeks. First off I love you Sensory your posts with or without my defense were perfect. And thank you for all the advice over the past week. Ilapp, B Beal and somewhat AA all brought out what I wanted discussed. Trust behind closed doors. Hobbyists taking and having control and putting their selfish interests first without regard to the providers. The disease factor and how unpredictable and hidden it can be. If I had told the story, not in the first person, everyone would have read it the manner of, She said, He said. Everyone would PM me asking 'who was it'. It's not important 'who' but that it happened. I am tired of people who sit back and watch dogs get kicked, children abused and women attacked and all that's said is 'I don't want to get involved. ' It's not my problem. ' I GOT involved. It may not have been the best way, the right way, the wrong way, but I got involved. If you don't like it, tough shit! (Sorry 2N couldn't control myself). This happened and it doesn't make any difference exactly how or why. A wonderful provider was forced to have BB sex without her consent, and it doesn't make a hill of beans whether it was by physical force or psychological force. She didn't want it, it happened and it has caused a very beautiful spirit a great deal of pain. The one thing nobody brought up is the one simple question that the hobbyist could have asked at the moment the line was crossed, purposefully or accidently –'You know I don't have a cover on would you prefer that I use one? ' He was in control. Once both sets of clothes come off, hobbyists are in control. This one simple question could have changed the course of this meeting and set the stage for mutual consent or at least clarified what each individual wanted. Ilapp you know I didn't care about my reputation. My reputation is insignificant to what happened and the discussion that took place on many levels. You're right, my writing sucks and I should have let you make the first post, but I couldn't let anyone else do it. I have spent hours with the provider and she is doing better. I have talked to the hobbyist and he seems regretful yet I have HEARD, no I don't know for a fact, how he has psychologically twisted other providers into providing the same type of service. Pattern makes this one a problem. I think he wanted to see what happened once he was inside. Would she or wouldn't she? Remember her first clue was cover in hand and saying 'Let's put this on and see how you like it inside' I think it's time for him to retire. Lastly, thank all of those of you who DID think it was me and wanted my ass in a sling. It's important that these LADIES, not wh*res, god I hate that word for a woman, were defended. Now let's get on with business and the purpose of this board. FF.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/18/us-germany-odd-prostitution-idUSTRE74H3NX20110518?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FoddlyEnoughNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Oddly+Enough%29
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http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/05/17/australia-s-largest-brothel-to-open-in-sydney/
JohnnieBlue
05-18-11, 13:07
Karma is a be*tch and you will probably catch something. Shame on you.
This happen in Indianapolis and it should never happen to a provider. Members are burning up this site with comments on how wrong this Freckle Freak is. Wanted to share this. It is are own news. Let be safe for everyone.
Originally Posted by Freckle Freak I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it. We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5. Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me. So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? FF. PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles.
Davidonecall
05-19-11, 13:30
I'm one of the hobbies that is out late, so lets be careful and keep an eye on the are that you are in.
http://heraldnews.suntimes.com/news/5327070-418/police-man-shot-in-joliet-after-finding-prostitute-online.html
•A 39-year-old-woman of the 300 block of Emery Avenue in Romeoville was arrested at 3:15 pm May 11 in the 500 block of N. Route 59 and charged with warrant service and prostitution.
•A 24-year-old-woman of the 6500 block of Farmington Drive in Riverside was arrested at 10:56 pm May 11 in the 1800 block of W. Diehl Road and charged with prostitution.
•Two women were arrested at 6:30 pm May 11 in the 1900 block of Continental Avenue. One woman. 22, of the 6500 block of S. Minerva Avenue in Chicago, was charged with pandering. Another woman. 24, of the 200 block of N. Albany Street in Chicago, was charged with prostitution.
•A 28-year-old-woman of the 1000 block of Christopher Court in Arlington Heights was arrested at 10:26 pm May 11 in the 1800 block of W. Diehl Road and charged with prostitution.
Karma is a be*tch and you will probably catch something. Shame on you.Just so you all know, the "story" by Freckle Freak was an attempt to draw attention to the problem. He didn't actually do any of the things in his post. He was writing it from a first-person perspective to. Make it more controversial? Anyway, I think it was not a good idea on his part, but I'm just telling you what he did. He's not the bad guy you think he is.
Davidonecall
05-23-11, 12:14
The provider were from Aurora. I just don't know what is safer, incall or outcall.
http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/news/5492628-418/two-women-charged-in-oswego-prostitution-sting.html
Davidonecall
05-24-11, 16:11
Now that was close.
http://www.brookfieldnow.com/news/122011309.html
Davidonecall
05-24-11, 16:28
Someone from Chicago pimping a 15 year old.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-prositution-arrest-teen-osceola-20110523,0,7335232.story
Someone from Chicago pimping a 15 year old.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-prositution-arrest-teen-osceola-20110523,0,7335232.storyHe'd already been arrested for doing this already, and they let this little thug out on the streets to do it again? WTF type of 'police work' is that?
Davidonecall
05-25-11, 01:30
He'd already been arrested for doing this already, and they let this little thug out on the streets to do it again? WTF type of 'police work' is that?Exactly, I enjoy a nice youthful looking women but she has to be in her 20. They could say they are 18 but could be 16 so why take a chance.
Grateful One
05-25-11, 13:35
My sister used to work off TER. She was being blackmailed by TER
http://www.ripoffreport.com/adult-web-sites/the-erotic-review-co/the-erotic-review-com-ter-th-8b4b4.htm
Davidonecall
05-25-11, 15:52
He paid her how much for a prostitute? I still can't belive it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/elderly-man-loses-big-bucks-to-prostitute/story-e6frf7jo-1226063054007
Sounds more like a WIFE!
He paid her how much for a prostitute? I still can't belive it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/elderly-man-loses-big-bucks-to-prostitute/story-e6frf7jo-1226063054007
Al Melrose
05-26-11, 01:43
Sounds more like a WIFE!Plus he is stuck with paying her lawyer (yes, just like a divorce)!
He'd already been arrested for doing this already, and they let this little thug out on the streets to do it again? WTF type of 'police work' is that?He was released on bail. A judge does that, not the police. Another judge will set bail again, probably a little higher than the last time. If he can get the money to post, out he goes. BTW, this happened in south Florida, not the Chicago area.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/adult-web-sites/the-erotic-review-co/the-erotic-review-com-ter-th-8b4b4.htmOld news. AFAIK, Elms is serving a 4 yr term in a California pen. He was sentenced in '09. Another site supposedly cut ties with him, per the New York Times. Google his name.
A couple in Woodstock were arrested last Saturday after her client was shot; he later died.
They had posted ads on CL and other places. The Yahoo IM was tksmith8482.
I only put the I'm up to warn anyone NOT to contact it since LE might (probably is) be watching.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110529/news/705299839/
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/5665525-464/police-man-gunned-down-by-prostitutes-pimp-husband.html
http://www.nwherald.com/2011/05/29/police-arrest-couple-in-fatal-shooting/akafbtg/
Al Melrose
05-31-11, 02:12
I thought CL ended postings. What section was this posted under?
A couple in Woodstock were arrested last Saturday after her client was shot; he later died.
They had posted ads on CL and other places. The Yahoo I'm was tksmith8482.
I only put the I'm up to warn anyone NOT to contact it since LE might (probably is) be watching.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110529/news/705299839/
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/5665525-464/police-man-gunned-down-by-prostitutes-pimp-husband.html
http://www.nwherald.com/2011/05/29/police-arrest-couple-in-fatal-shooting/akafbtg/
Probably 'Women seeking men' or 'Casual encounters', I understand that's where all the action has migrated. Like we didn't know THAT was going to happen.
I thought CL ended postings. What section was this posted under?
A couple in Woodstock were arrested last Saturday after her client was shot; he later died.
They had posted ads on CL and other places. The Yahoo I'm was tksmith8482.
I only put the I'm up to warn anyone NOT to contact it since LE might (probably is) be watching.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110529/news/705299839/
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/5665525-464/police-man-gunned-down-by-prostitutes-pimp-husband.html
http://www.nwherald.com/2011/05/29/police-arrest-couple-in-fatal-shooting/akafbtg/So how did these two go from having an ad pimping out the wife to killing some guy? Maybe they were trying to run a reverse 'cash-and-dash' operation, with the "angry" husband showing up just after the $$ had been handed over?
Idiots. Now they get to go to jail for a (hopefully) good, long time.
Probably 'Women seeking men' or 'Casual encounters', I understand that's where all the action has migrated. Like we didn't know THAT was going to happen.Yep. CL personals (casuals, women seeking men & strictly platonic) Most ads get flagged pretty fast and there is a LOT of spam out there.
Sun-Times Media Wire Nov 24, 2010.
Prosecutors: 'Madam' operated brothel from Pilsen home.
A woman who prosecutors call a "madam" was arrested in an undercover sting Tuesday at a Pilsen neighborhood massage parlor which was allegedly a brothel where young women were forced into prostitution.
One of the six employees was a 16-year-old girl who was picked up from high school several times a week and pimped out until 8 or 9 p. M, prosecutors said.
The Cook County State's Attorney's office busted the operation as part of a sex trafficking investigation after receiving a hotline tip from one of the victims, according to a release.
Rubicela Motero. 39, was charged with one count each of involuntary servitude and involuntary servitude of a minor. Both Class X felonies. And one count each of trafficking in persons for forced labor or services, and pandering, state's attorney's office spokesman Andy Conklin said.
Motero was ordered held on $400, 000 bond Wednesday and a preliminary hearing was set for Dec. 13, he said.
Motero has been pimping young women and girls out of a house near 31st Street and Millard Avenue, prosecutors said. She allegedly advertised as a "Full Service Massage" operation in Spanish language newspapers and via business cards.
Chicago police received an anonymous tip from a Human Trafficking Hotline and saw the same number advertised in the paper. Motero was arrested as part of an undercover sting after she offered women for sex in exchange for money, the release said.
She kept the apartment stocked with a bucket full of condoms, lubricants and other supplies used in sex trafficking, court records show. Three women were working at the time of the bust, and all three reported being lured into the business under false pretenses, court records indicate.
They reported being threatened by Motero if they tried to quit. She told one that something terrible would happen to them and their families if they quit, prosecutors allege. Another victim was told something would happen to her daughter, while another was told she'd turn up dead in an alley.
One of the three women found at the brothel turned out to be the original hotline caller, prosecutors said.
Investigators learned six females were working at the brothel during various shifts and clients would pay more for the 16-year-old girl.
Davidonecall
06-01-11, 11:33
This happen at another location in IL. It would be nice if others lawyer could help her our. There is not that many that could help us hobbies.
So I was out and about in Sycamore today and saw "The Orange Peel Gazzette," which is a free magazine. On the cover is a picture of a lawyer that looks just like Nikki in the pics below. Just thought it was interesting and you guys may get a kick out if it if you see that magazine around town.I hope she don't lose her practice because she worked so hard (studies) to earn that. It don't matter how she got the money to pay for it but she did the studies and she could be a valuable asset to defending us hobbies. I hope things go real good for her.
http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2011/...arges/abz6y3e/
Davidonecall
06-01-11, 11:40
Sun-Times Media Wire Nov 24, 2010.
Prosecutors: 'Madam' operated brothel from Pilsen home.
A woman who prosecutors call a "madam" was arrested in an undercover sting Tuesday at a Pilsen neighborhood massage parlor which was allegedly a brothel where young women were forced into prostitution.
One of the six employees was a 16-year-old girl who was picked up from high school several times a week and pimped out until 8 or 9 p. M, prosecutors said.
The Cook County State's Attorney's office busted the operation as part of a sex trafficking investigation after receiving a hotline tip from one of the victims, according to a release.
Rubicela Motero. 39, was charged with one count each of involuntary servitude and involuntary servitude of a minor. Both Class X felonies. And one count each of trafficking in persons for forced labor or services, and pandering, state's attorney's office spokesman Andy Conklin said.
Motero was ordered held on $400, 000 bond Wednesday and a preliminary hearing was set for Dec. 13, he said.
Motero has been pimping young women and girls out of a house near 31st Street and Millard Avenue, prosecutors said. She allegedly advertised as a "Full Service Massage" operation in Spanish language newspapers and via business cards.
Chicago police received an anonymous tip from a Human Trafficking Hotline and saw the same number advertised in the paper. Motero was arrested as part of an undercover sting after she offered women for sex in exchange for money, the release said.
She kept the apartment stocked with a bucket full of condoms, lubricants and other supplies used in sex trafficking, court records show. Three women were working at the time of the bust, and all three reported being lured into the business under false pretenses, court records indicate.
They reported being threatened by Motero if they tried to quit. She told one that something terrible would happen to them and their families if they quit, prosecutors allege. Another victim was told something would happen to her daughter, while another was told she'd turn up dead in an alley.
One of the three women found at the brothel turned out to be the original hotline caller, prosecutors said.
Investigators learned six females were working at the brothel during various shifts and clients would pay more for the 16-year-old girl.
I'm just wondering if this the same location.
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Went to the latina aprtment on 30th and k* first time there, they only offer 1/2 for $35 they had 4 girls working 2 where busy (seen) them when I left. Well the one I spoke to actually knew english. She was about 5"6 125lb looks 6-7 body same. I told her I wanted somone else then I get this very sexy looking latina dark long hair good body 23y / o told me she just got divorced and has two kids. But no sign of it. Had nice langurie on thong. Looks wise I give her a 8-9 I thought she was very cute girl. Body 7-8. Also SPEAKS NO ENGLISH not a lick lucky for me I know spanish so we got along well conversation was good (in spanish) massage I'd rate 5 now the extras I just got a HJ for an extra $40 she said. 90 for a BJ and for FS total of $.50 now it looked like there was room to haggle. I was fine with the HJ also let me rub her tits but nothing down under. I'd rate her HJ skills 7-8 really nice motion not just. Up down. Up down. Up down. Never rushed actually got into it. She looks like a nice fuck nice ass to small tits. Now the other girls did have cute faces. Not sure if they speak english but from the looks of it only one does, the one thing about this place that I liked they gave me a card that sai *$10 off* also *every wensday you get $15 OFF* now thats a nice deal. Any one else know about this place? The phone rang while I was there so I know the word is out. Looking for latina girls here's the place depending on how tall and big you are I would call them ALL SPINNERS and be fore I leave. Its a house. Room set up. Just a matress wouldn't call it the cleanest place ever. I mean its on 30th. And K*
They are not the same place. 30th is just a massage with offerings like other latina places.
The same question here! But. 16 years old girl, not right! How (and where) can I get the business card? And what newspaper I can look for? Masajear (or masaje) to be key words, right?
I'm just wondering if this the same location.
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This happen at another location in IL. It would be nice if others lawyer could help her our. There is not that many that could help us hobbies.
I hope she don't lose her practice because she worked so hard (studies) to earn that. It don't matter how she got the money to pay for it but she did the studies and she could be a valuable asset to defending us hobbies. I hope things go real good for her.
http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2011/...arges/abz6y3e/Hi,
The link goes to a "404". Don't suppose you could PM me the link, or give me any info on when this story ran?
This happen at another location in IL. It would be nice if others lawyer could help her our. There is not that many that could help us hobbies.
I hope she don't lose her practice because she worked so hard (studies) to earn that. It don't matter how she got the money to pay for it but she did the studies and she could be a valuable asset to defending us hobbies. I hope things go real good for her.
http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2011/...arges/abz6y3e/Like the title says, ignore it. Found the 'rest of the story' on the DeKalb / Sycamore thread. Replied there. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
OK, so if prostitution was legal this wouldn't be happening as frequently. What the'ya say we sue Tom Dart for promoting this activity? Poetic justice?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/09/women-seducing-scamming-elderly-men-in-western-suburbs/
Now this is MY kind of lawyer!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-lawyer-prostitution-charges-20110609
High Riser
06-09-11, 23:25
Now this is MY kind of lawyer!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-lawyer-prostitution-charges-20110609
0, 5845541. StoryDear Trib, please post a picture.
Dear Trib, please post a picture.Here's an article with what appears to be her mug shot as well as her picture from her legal website:
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/more-about-reema-bajaj-the-lawyer-accused-of-prostitution/
My retainer offer stands!
High Riser
06-09-11, 23:43
Here's an article with what appears to be her mug shot as well as her picture from her legal website:
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/more-about-reema-bajaj-the-lawyer-accused-of-prostitution/
My retainer offer stands! Your a smart man. I'll follow your lead.
Davidonecall
06-09-11, 23:56
Here's an article with what appears to be her mug shot as well as her picture from her legal website:
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/more-about-reema-bajaj-the-lawyer-accused-of-prostitution/
My retainer offer stands! This is a very good article. I really wish we (hobbies) have someone who we can retain now and give you personal advice. We have so menu attorneys who don't take cases solicitation.
The case against this woman appears to be circumstantial and seems to be nothing more than hearsay. Regardless, this woman's reputation is now ruined and her legal career in serious jeopardy.
Being a cop in a suburban town is the most overrated job in the world. 99% of these guys are never in a remotely dangerous situation. The main focus of their job is to write tickets and direct traffic when necessary. They run prostitution stings so they can justify their salaries and exorbitant benefits.
"Hey, look! We've arrested these guys who never would have come to our town if we hadn't enticed them into doing so! What a great job we're doing!"
Prostitution stings are a low risk operation. If you've ever seen one on TV, there's never any danger. The cops by far outnumber the person arrested. All the while, they turn a blind eye to the growing gang and drug problems in their communities. The gangs flock to the suburbs because it's low risk for THEM because local le wastes their time on these stings.
Raoul Duke
06-10-11, 12:17
Regardless, this woman's reputation is now ruined and her legal career in serious jeopardy.I hope she prevails and, if she's able to do so, think she could be an asset to the legal profession.
Hand Banana
06-10-11, 12:21
I hope she prevails and, if she's able to do so, think she could be an asset to the legal profession.I saw her pic on one of the links below and I would love to tap that ass (et).
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The case against this woman appears to be circumstantial and seems to be nothing more than hearsay. Regardless, this woman's reputation is now ruined and her legal career in serious jeopardy.
Being a cop in a suburban town is the most overrated job in the world. 99% of these guys are never in a remotely dangerous situation. The main focus of their job is to write tickets and direct traffic when necessary. They run prostitution stings so they can justify their salaries and exorbitant benefits.
"Hey, look! We've arrested these guys who never would have come to our town if we hadn't enticed them into doing so! What a great job we're doing!"
Prostitution stings are a low risk operation. If you've ever seen one on TV, there's never any danger. The cops by far outnumber the person arrested. All the while, they turn a blind eye to the growing gang and drug problems in their communities. The gangs flock to the suburbs because it's low risk for THEM because local le wastes their time on these stings. She wasn't caught as part of a prostitution sting, she was caught because one of her "customers" was also dealing kiddie porn. When they did a search of his computer, they found emails from her as well as photos of her. Evidently she was dumb enough to discuss the details of what they would do along with how much she wanted for the services in the emails. Given that, I think they have her pretty much nailed. Here's an article from a more local newspaper about it all:
http://www.rrstar.com/news/betsylopez/x41283587/Attorney-faces-prostitution-charges
She wasn't caught as part of a prostitution sting, she was caught because one of her "customers" was also dealing kiddie porn. When they did a search of his computer, they found emails from her as well as photos of her. Evidently she was dumb enough to discuss the details of what they would do along with how much she wanted for the services in the emails. Given that, I think they have her pretty much nailed. Here's an article from a more local newspaper about it all:
http://www.rrstar.com/news/betsylopez/x41283587/Attorney-faces-prostitution-charges
Depends on the parameters of the search warrant. The "evidence" might not be admissible.
Even if it is, they still have to prove she went through with the acts at the times and places specified. There isn't anyone posting on this forum who hasn't made an appointment with a provider that never wound up taking place. I myself had a conversation with a "provider" today for an appointment that I had no intention of keeping because I was certain it was a prostitution sting.
The media has gone out of their way to sensationalize this story and embarrass this poor young woman before she has even gone to trial. If she's found not guilty, it doesn't matter. Her reputation and legal career are in ruins. All because this story has generated a lot of webpage hits.
On a side note, the felony charge is the result of one of the most ridiculous laws on the books. The "1, 000 foot" rule is a joke. Most of the mongers on this site have probably violated that law without even realizing it. No one wants prostitution taking place by school grounds, but this law is too vague. An act that takes place inside a home or motel room that's a block and a half away from a school in the middle of the evening is a lot different than a street pickup on a school corner during school hours, yet both are classified as felonies.
"Even if it is, they still have to prove she went through with the acts at the times and places specified. There isn't anyone posting on this forum who hasn't made an appointment with a provider that never wound up taking place. I myself had a conversation with a "provider" today for an appointment that I had no intention of keeping because I was certain it was a prostitution sting."
Nope. In Illinois the crime of prostitution is made out by 1) an offer. 2) an agreement, or 3) an act. Proving an act of prostitution is almost a rarity. The case is nearly always made out by an offer or agreement, whether it's the arrest of an alleged prostitute or an alleged john.
As a general comment, I must say that you are offering some REALLY BAD advice, which a reader would be ill-advised to follow.
Depends on the parameters of the search warrant. The "evidence" might not be admissible.If LE had a valid reason to search the computer, then admissibility of the email evidence will likely not be a problem. LE does not have to turn a blind eye if they unexpectedly happen across incriminating evidence.
Even if it is, they still have to prove she went through with the acts at the times and places specified. There isn't anyone posting on this forum who hasn't made an appointment with a provider that never wound up taking place. I myself had a conversation with a "provider" today for an appointment that I had no intention of keeping because I was certain it was a prostitution sting.Not true! You do not have to actually commit a sex act to be charged with a prostitution offense. The way that you make an appointment that avoids getting yourself nailed is to avoid being explicit about the purpose of the appointment. Since you were apparently suspicious when you discussed the appointments, it would seem unlikely that you would have said anything that have given LE valid cause to arrest you.
The media has gone out of their way to sensationalize this story and embarrass this poor young woman before she has even gone to trial. If she's found not guilty, it doesn't matter. Her reputation and legal career are in ruins. All because this story has generated a lot of webpage hits.What I find surprising is some of the comments here from people who express "shock" that someone in her position would be practicing the "learned profession" while also practicing the "world's oldest profession". This kind of thing is a lot more common than I suspect some of your realize. Women who otherwise have careers get into this for easy money, a feeling of sexual control, and all kinds of reasons. What makes this case noteworthy is that she apparently got caught.
On a side note, the felony charge is the result of one of the most ridiculous laws on the books. The "1, 000 foot" rule is a joke. Most of the mongers on this site have probably violated that law without even realizing it. No one wants prostitution taking place by school grounds, but this law is too vague.I *strongly* recommend that you not test this law for "vagueness" if it's your ass on the line.
An act that takes place inside a home or motel room that's a block and a half away from a school in the middle of the evening is a lot different than a street pickup on a school corner during school hours, yet both are classified as felonies.I very much doubt that LE would set up a sting to catch "customer" that was near a school. The reason why they do these things is to look good before the public. If it came out that they set up a sting operation near a school, it would probably cause considerable public outrage, and would defeat the purpose of the sting in the first place. I would imagine that the only stings that would be done near a school would be to catch "providers".
As a general comment, I must say that you are offering some REALLY BAD advice, which a reader would be ill-advised to follow.What advice?
If LE had a valid reason to search the computer, then admissibility of the email evidence will likely not be a problem. LE does not have to turn a blind eye if they unexpectedly happen across incriminating evidence.
Not true! You do not have to actually commit a sex act to be charged with a prostitution offense. The way that you make an appointment that avoids getting yourself nailed is to avoid being explicit about the purpose of the appointment. Since you were apparently suspicious when you discussed the appointments, it would seem unlikely that you would have said anything that have given LE valid cause to arrest you. You may be right, but if you are, then that's a crock of s*t. I could have been extremely explicit over the phone, but the fact is, I never had any intention of seeing this provider because I thought she was a fake. I told her I was a few blocks away, but I wasn't within 20 miles of where she wanted to meet.
What I find surprising is some of the comments here from people who express "shock" that someone in her position would be practicing the "learned profession" while also practicing the "world's oldest profession". This kind of thing is a lot more common than I suspect some of your realize. Women who otherwise have careers get into this for easy money, a feeling of sexual control, and all kinds of reasons. What makes this case noteworthy is that she apparently got caught. What makes this case noteworthy is that she's attractive and a lawyer. If she were plain, this story would have never gotten the publicity it has. Her mug shot photo is all over the internet. The media sites are selling sex just as much as she allegedly has.
I *strongly* recommend that you not test this law for "vagueness" if it's your ass on the line.I said nothing about testing the law; I just said it was too vague. For example, everyone loves the 47th St. Stroll. SOMEWHERE along that track there must be a school within 1000 feet of 47th. After all, that is a block and a half. People unfamiliar with the area could easily be committing a felony without knowing for doing something that a hundred feet away would be a misdeameanor.
I very much doubt that LE would set up a sting to catch "customer" that was near a school. The reason why they do these things is to look good before the public. If it came out that they set up a sting operation near a school, it would probably cause considerable public outrage, and would defeat the purpose of the sting in the first place. I would imagine that the only stings that would be done near a school would be to catch "providers".I'm not referring to decoys around a school. I'm talking about providers in motels or outcalls to homes. Think about motels you've used for mongering in the past as well as where you lived. Are you sure they're not within 1000 feet of a school?
Davidonecall
06-11-11, 12:51
You know lawyer may charge from 150-250 an hour. Now if she was receiving 150 hr she would keep all of it. As a last that 150 hr go down to way less by the time expenses and tax are paid. If she is planning on falling back. As a provider she could be making more money.
What advice?While it is true that nowhere did you state "I advise.", you did make a number of statements that are just wrong; and a person reading them would be ill-advised to act on them believing that your statements were true.
You may be right, but if you are, then that's a crock of s*t. I could have been extremely explicit over the phone, but the fact is, I never had any intention of seeing this provider because I thought she was a fake. I told her I was a few blocks away, but I wasn't within 20 miles of where she wanted to meet.Well, ultimately what you do is up to you, but my advise to you (and anyone else reading this) is that you be careful about what you say on the telephone. If you end up getting arrested for violation of a law that you don't personally like, the argument that the law is "a crock of s*t" is not going to be very persuasive to a judge.
I said nothing about testing the law; I just said it was too vague.If the law really were "too vague" as you say, then the law would be unenforceable. The example that you gave does not establish that the law is "vague"; what the example that you gave does is to tell a person that they had better be careful about where they are. What it means is that you have the responsibility to check out the vicinity of where you are to make sure that there are no schools within 1000 feet. That might be inconvenient to you, but inconvenience to you does not make the law "too vague". That is why I advised that you (and anyone reading your comment) not test the "vagueness" of the law.
I'm not referring to decoys around a school. I'm talking about providers in motels or outcalls to homes. Think about motels you've used for mongering in the past as well as where you lived. Are you sure they're not within 1000 feet of a school?If you and your "provider" are within 1000 feet of a school and neither of you is involved in LE, you're still committing a felony, you're just not likely to get caught. It's like driving 100 mph in a 35 mph speed limit zone when there are no police around. What I was trying to tell you with respect to your example is that you are unlikely to get set up in a sting operation as a customer if you are within 1000 feet of a school. So what you are describing is a situation that, while illegal, is one in which you are unlikely to face prosecution.
Depends on the parameters of the search warrant. The "evidence" might not be admissible.
Even if it is, they still have to prove she went through with the acts at the times and places specified. There isn't anyone posting on this forum who hasn't made an appointment with a provider that never wound up taking place. I myself had a conversation with a "provider" today for an appointment that I had no intention of keeping because I was certain it was a prostitution sting.
The media has gone out of their way to sensationalize this story and embarrass this poor young woman before she has even gone to trial. If she's found not guilty, it doesn't matter. Her reputation and legal career are in ruins. All because this story has generated a lot of webpage hits.
On a side note, the felony charge is the result of one of the most ridiculous laws on the books. The "1, 000 foot" rule is a joke. Most of the mongers on this site have probably violated that law without even realizing it. No one wants prostitution taking place by school grounds, but this law is too vague. An act that takes place inside a home or motel room that's a block and a half away from a school in the middle of the evening is a lot different than a street pickup on a school corner during school hours, yet both are classified as felonies. F,
Based on details provided in news reports earlier, I know with a fair amount of certainty where the felony act took place. The first story on this was in the DeKalb area newspapers, and they gave the block and street where the meeting took place. Based on those detail, and the description of the building, I can tell you it was close enough to a middle school that a major-league outfielder could step out that back door of the school and put a ball through a window on the ground floor of the building without breaking a sweat. As to whether the search turning up evidence of her criminal activities was legal or not, well, that's for her attorney to argue in court. If she's got the time / money, she might even decide to appeal a guilty verdict and have one or more of the prostitution laws she is accused of breaking overturned. The problem for her is, she can not in any way claim to not know what she was doing was illegal, and as an attorney, that is a very damning charge to have levelled at you.
Ghostface89
06-12-11, 09:29
Turning minor "sex crimes" like solicitation into felonies if they take place within 1, 000 feet of a school makes my skin crawl. In most urban areas you can be 1, 000 feet from a school without even knowing it,
Modern journalism doesn't give exact locations of crimes anyway. A crime will be reported as taking place on "the 5800 block of S. Pulaski" or so forth. So where do you start measuring from?
And who does the measuring?
Just wait until gun ownership in your private residence (just ownership not use in a crime) will be prosecuted the same way "for the children."
Turning minor "sex crimes" like solicitation into felonies if they take place within 1, 000 feet of a school makes my skin crawl.For what it's worth, if you are a first time offender who gets charged with a felony sex crime, deferred prostitution is automatic. What that means is that you get charged but not prosecuted. What that also means is a potentially long probationary period (up to 2 years, I believe) where you have to avoid any further offenses. The conditions for deferred prosecution can be pretty intrusive and can require that, in addition, you might have to submit to random drug tests, do community service and / or attend "john's school" at the Chicago Christian Community Health Center, just to name a few. At the satisfactory completion of the probationary period the charges will be set aside. On the other hand, if you don't satisfactorily complete the probationary period, you could then be subject to prosecution for the original sex offense (thus, the "deferred" prosecution).
In most urban areas you can be 1, 000 feet from a school without even knowing it,Folks, in this day and age this "I didn't know" stuff is simply NO EXCUSE. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to check out the area where you are going IN ADVANCE and to make sure that there are no schools in the area.
Hint: Google Maps and Mapquest are your friends.
Turning minor "sex crimes" like solicitation into felonies if they take place within 1, 000 feet of a school makes my skin crawl. In most urban areas you can be 1, 000 feet from a school without even knowing it,
Modern journalism doesn't give exact locations of crimes anyway. A crime will be reported as taking place on "the 5800 block of S. Pulaski" or so forth. So where do you start measuring from?It's not hard to figure out what building they were talking about. DeKalb isn't a large town and I know it well. On the street the article mentions there is only one building that both fits the general description given ("high rise apartment") on that specific block number. As for the measurements, what I described about the distance between them is (I think) a very fair estimation. Others might disagree, but there is no possible way the distance is more than 1, 000'. As to whether there is a need for making prostitution within a certain distance of a school a "special circumstance" crime, that is something you'll have to talk to the legislature about.
Folks, in this day and age this "I didn't know" stuff is simply NO EXCUSE. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to check out the area where you are going IN ADVANCE and to make sure that there are no schools in the area.Logical. Yes.
Realistic. No.
You obviously don't do any street mongering.
So you either hit MPs or incall girls. Can you say with 100% certainty you've never violated that rule?
Al Melrose
06-14-11, 02:27
Logical. Yes.
Realistic. No.
You obviously don't do any street mongering.
So you either hit MPs or incall girls. Can you say with 100% certainty you've never violated that rule? If you hit an apartment, you will not get the exact location, until you are near. One can not ckeck out all directions of 1, 000 feet.
It is a bs law.
Logical. Yes.
Realistic. No.
You obviously don't do any street mongering.
So you either hit MPs or incall girls. Can you say with 100% certainty you've never violated that rule?Like said it is BS, but the law is the law and LEO will use any tools they have at their disposal. I wouldn't want to get this additional charge. I usually check the area out within a block or two.
Since there aren't many Indian providers in the area, I'm wondering if this is the massage provider Neeva? She is on my bucket list.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/betsylopez/x41283587/Attorney-faces-prostitution-charges
Since there aren't many Indian providers in the area, I'm wondering if this is the massage provider Neeva? She is on my bucket list.Nope, she was 'Nikki' which is her real middle name. There are pics of her in the Sycamore / Dekalb thread under 'Other areas', including some shots before she got the bolt-ons. I'd let her handle my briefs anytime.
Nope, she was 'Nikki' which is her real middle name. There are pics of her in the Sycamore / Dekalb thread under 'Other areas', including some shots before she got the bolt-ons. I'd let her handle my briefs anytime.What I find so shocking is that she allowed herself to be photographed; and it was even more shocking that she apparently *sent* photos to her "clients"; and it was even more shocking still that there are apparently more "compromising" photos that were not posted. When people do stuff like that, it makes me wonder if the whole thing was a kind of "rebellion" against strict parents. And then to add to it all, the fact that she was so reckless about it; it makes me wonder if she didn't have, at least, a subconscious desire to get caught.
Nope, she was 'Nikki' which is her real middle name. There are pics of her in the Sycamore / Dekalb thread under 'Other areas', including some shots before she got the bolt-ons. I'd let her handle my briefs anytime.Gort home early after a short day of it today, so for the hell of it sat down and googled her name. It just keeps getting worse and worse for her. Now, the story's literally gone international:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003440/Attorney-Reema-Bajaj-25-charged-prostitution-performing-50-sex-act-man.html
If that wasn't bad enough, I think someone in the DeKalb prosecutor's office (or the cops) is talking too much. This was evidently on Channel 2 in Chicago recently, though I didn't catch it:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjbhyw_25-yr-old-lawyer-reema-bajaj-accused-of-prostitution_news
Notice that the reporter knows where she lives, so she can go up to her front door no less? If you're a reporter, you don't find that stuff out without someone with LEO telling you.
Any fellows have any thoughts on the legality of gang bangs or orgies? Anything to be careful about or avoid? Things to consider as a host? Does the 1000' rule apply in any way?
What I find so shocking is that she allowed herself to be photographed; and it was even more shocking that she apparently *sent* photos to her "clients"; and it was even more shocking still that there are apparently more "compromising" photos that were not posted. When people do stuff like that, it makes me wonder if the whole thing was a kind of "rebellion" against strict parents. And then to add to it all, the fact that she was so reckless about it; it makes me wonder if she didn't have, at least, a subconscious desire to get caught.I couldn't agree more. It's like she tried to get arrested.
Davidonecall
06-16-11, 10:32
I can't help but to feel bad for her. Her life will never be the same. When I first posted the story it was just starting out. I just hope that the hobbies that they are using are smart enough to say it was just an email and that they never got together.
Gort home early after a short day of it today, so for the hell of it sat down and googled her name. It just keeps getting worse and worse for her. Now, the story's literally gone international:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003440/Attorney-Reema-Bajaj-25-charged-prostitution-performing-50-sex-act-man.html
If that wasn't bad enough, I think someone in the DeKalb prosecutor's office (or the cops) is talking too much. This was evidently on Channel 2 in Chicago recently, though I didn't catch it:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjbhyw_25-yr-old-lawyer-reema-bajaj-accused-of-prostitution_news
Notice that the reporter knows where she lives, so she can go up to her front door no less? If you're a reporter, you don't find that stuff out without someone with LEO telling you.
Actually, for Dekalb county you can go to their website and do a lookup by name on any criminal case in the last few years and get address and dob on the 'offender'.
Here's the URL: http://gisweb.co.de-kalb.il.us/circuitclerkcourtdata/CircuitClerkSearch.asp
Gort home early after a short day of it today, so for the hell of it sat down and googled her name. It just keeps getting worse and worse for her. Now, the story's literally gone international:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003440/Attorney-Reema-Bajaj-25-charged-prostitution-performing-50-sex-act-man.html
If that wasn't bad enough, I think someone in the DeKalb prosecutor's office (or the cops) is talking too much. This was evidently on Channel 2 in Chicago recently, though I didn't catch it:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjbhyw_25-yr-old-lawyer-reema-bajaj-accused-of-prostitution_news
Notice that the reporter knows where she lives, so she can go up to her front door no less? If you're a reporter, you don't find that stuff out without someone with LEO telling you.
Looking at this objectively (or, at least, as objectively as possible) I have to wonder if there isn't a little bit of sex addiction at work here.
Item 1: Her ethnic background is Indian, and they are usually rather staid.
Item 2: She was bright enough and wealthy enough to get into and out of law school. Add to this the fact that she was doing pro bono work up near Rockford, and I seriously doubt she was doing it because she needed the money.
Item 3: She must have paid a pretty penny for those bolt-ons, but she's only charging. 5-1? She was using e-mail with her clients, and was at NIU, so obviously using the internet is not a problem for her. How could she NOT know that she could have charged FAR more for her services and had 'them lining up? Again, this doesn't sound like she's in it for the bucks.
All told this sounds like a girl who is hypersexual anyway and charging for it just adds an element of extra naughtiness, and some pin money.
Fortunately for her, even if she loses her law license (which would be sad) she can make a (probably better) living as a porn star or high-end escort.
I can't help by feeling for her. Her life will never be the same. When I first posted the story it was just starting out. I just hope that the hobbies that they are using are smart enough to say it was just an email and that they never got together.
Looking at this objectively (or, at least, as objectively as possible) I have to wonder if there isn't a little bit of sex addiction at work here.
Item 1: Her ethnic background is Indian, and they are usually rather staid.
Item 2: She was bright enough and wealthy enough to get into and out of law school. Add to this the fact that she was doing pro bono work up near Rockford, and I seriously doubt she was doing it because she needed the money.
Item 3: She must have paid a pretty penny for those bolt-ons, but she's only charging. 5-1? She was using e-mail with her clients, and was at NIU, so obviously using the internet is not a problem for her. How could she NOT know that she could have charged FAR more for her services and had 'them lining up? Again, this doesn't sound like she's in it for the bucks.
All told this sounds like a girl who is hypersexual anyway and charging for it just adds an element of extra naughtiness, and some pin money.
Fortunately for her, even if she loses her law license (which would be sad) she can make a (probably better) living as a porn star or high-end escort. This has FUTURE PLAYBOY PICTORIAL written all over it!
"The Call-Girl Lawyer"
6 Women Facing Prostitution Charges In Western Suburb.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/02/17/6-women-facing-prostitution-charges-in-western-suburb/
Evanston Spa Workers Busted For Prostitution.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/04/18/evanston-spa-workers-busted-for-prostitution/
This article has the mention of USAsexguide in it:
"Evanston police did not go into further specifics. But a review of the Carnation Spa appears on the Web site USASexGude. Info, on which a customer reported asking for, and receiving, a sex act from an employee for an extra fee following a massage."Be careful with your post. Uncle Leo reads them, and uses them just like we do.
Davidonecall
06-17-11, 19:06
6 Women Facing Prostitution Charges In Western Suburb.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/02/17/6-women-facing-prostitution-charges-in-western-suburb/
Evanston Spa Workers Busted For Prostitution.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/04/18/evanston-spa-workers-busted-for-prostitution/
This article has the mention of USAsexguide in it:
Be careful with your post. Uncle Leo reads them, and uses them just like we do. That is why some of the girls are doing incall in there apartment with trusted hobbies only. This pass week I visited one from an AMP and one from a LMP. For me is less money spend because I don't pay the entry fee and I can give more.
Grateful One
06-18-11, 00:29
Copied and pasted from article.
"Evanston police did not go into further specifics. But a review of the Carnation Spa appears on the Web site USASexGude. Info, on which a customer reported asking for, and receiving, a sex act from an employee for an extra fee following a massage."
That is why some of the girls are doing incall in there apartment with trusted hobbies only. This pass week I visited one from an AMP and one from a LMP. For me is less money spend because I don't pay the entry fee and I can give more.
Fortunately for her, even if she loses her law license (which would be sad) she can make a (probably better) living as a porn star or high-end escort.I don't know, her face has been all over the place by now, so I think she'd have to be somewhere just short of monumentally stupid to try staying in the escort biz. After all, her face pops up, and the cops are going to know who they're hunting for right away. As for making money as a porn star, she might be able to do it, but how long would the 'fame factor' keep people interested in her? After that goes, she'll be doing gangbang films and all the other shit female porn stars have to do to keep the money coming in. Might be better for her to just find a "regular" job and figure out what to do with her life.
I don't know, her face has been all over the place by now, so I think she'd have to be somewhere just short of monumentally stupid to try staying in the escort biz. After all, her face pops up, and the cops are going to know who they're hunting for right away. As for making money as a porn star, she might be able to do it, but how long would the 'fame factor' keep people interested in her? After that goes, she'll be doing gangbang films and all the other shit female porn stars have to do to keep the money coming in. Might be better for her to just find a "regular" job and figure out what to do with her life.A couple of point others have pointed out: she was doing volunteer legal work and seemed she wasnt charging much for her escort services. So, who know to what degree money was a factor.
As far as if it were abbot the $, and she were looking for escorting as a means to live. I have talked to quite a few young ladies that tell me they've been recruited by even soft newbie pimps that don't know what they're doing. Many times young punk kids that think they can be big. Who knows? (the tony Montana wannabe fantasy comes to mind). Or other neighborhood viroids just walk up to them with proposals.
Have heard that the "talent" coming unto the porn scene has definitely noticeably changed in recent years- during the economy downfall. And it makes a lot of sense: fewer jobs are available for experienced professionals. The ob market for younger adults (teens-early 20s) has also dropped crazily.
Producers in the porno industry have said they're getting many more "professional caliber" ladies interested in adult work. More than ever before. I only assume the same is true for escorting, to some degree.
A few escorts have told me they may not be 100% happy with what they're doing, but they just don't see going back to macdolalds's or wallmart's after after the $ they make doing this instead. The $ keeps them trapped in.
One girl even told me she used to only do massage, HJ. Occasionally would do oral, but no full. She said she was attacked once, an unsatisfied customer actually punched her in the face! Since that she decided to offer full, in order to not upset anyone else in the future. And thus, avoid bein attacked again. I can't tell you how terrible this made me feel. There is never an excuse for something like that.
Another girl that told me she was totally being exploited, as the girl that was p! Mping her was using her dependance (to H) , to control her- and shed never actually receive any "proceeds."
I guess It can be hard for some of these ladies to consider alternative occupations. Makes you think
All over the place AROUND HERE, there are plenty of other cities and states she could rake it in, and besides, a lot of these girls don't show their face on their ads and websites. Either way, if she was a smart girl and put that money away instead of spending it like a sailor on shoreleave, she'd have enough put by to live quite comfortably through an early retirement in no time.
However, considering some of the shit lawyers have been caught doing and still kept their law license, I think (or at least I hope) she'll be ok. She could actually turn this to her advantage and start a practice defending hookers. After all, she's been there. I know a fella who is a practicing lawyer and a practicing medical professional. He makes a good living and is much sought after because he knows both sides of the fence.
I don't know, her face has been all over the place by now, so I think she'd have to be somewhere just short of monumentally stupid to try staying in the escort biz. After all, her face pops up, and the cops are going to know who they're hunting for right away. As for making money as a porn star, she might be able to do it, but how long would the 'fame factor' keep people interested in her? After that goes, she'll be doing gangbang films and all the other shit female porn stars have to do to keep the money coming in. Might be better for her to just find a "regular" job and figure out what to do with her life.
All over the place AROUND HERE, there are plenty of other cities and states she could rake it in, and besides, a lot of these girls don't show their face on their ads and websites. Either way, if she was a smart girl and put that money away instead of spending it like a sailor on shoreleave, she'd have enough put by to live quite comfortably through an early retirement in no time.Remember what I posted earlier, her face is all over the place now, thanks to the Internet. Whether she could get by with an ad that doesn't show her face, I couldn't tell you the answer to that one. As to whether she can handle money wisely, I have to wonder if she'd have even kept on 'providing' if she could grasp that concept.
However, considering some of the shit lawyers have been caught doing and still kept their law license, I think (or at least I hope) she'll be ok. She could actually turn this to her advantage and start a practice defending hookers. After all, she's been there. I know a fella who is a practicing lawyer and a practicing medical professional. He makes a good living and is much sought after because he knows both sides of the fence.Maybe, but if the prosecutor makes his case and she's found guilty of a felony, plus all the press the case has gotten, do you think the ethics people will let her keep her license? Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I don't see that happening, I think she's gone as a lawyer.
Maybe, but if the prosecutor makes his case and she's found guilty of a felony, plus all the press the case has gotten, do you think the ethics people will let her keep her license? Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I don't see that happening, I think she's gone as a lawyer.There is a lot of uninformed speculation about this case in this forum. I just make that comment as an advisory to both posters and readers. A lot of these comments are based on speculations that are coming from a basic lack of knowledge. For example, you don't know what is going to happen in the prosecution of this case; for that matter, you don't know if this case even will be prosecuted at trial (personally, I have my doubts). You also don't know what is going to happen with respect to her law license.
There is a lot of uninformed speculation about this case in this forum. I just make that comment as an advisory to both posters and readers. A lot of these comments are based on speculations that are coming from a basic lack of knowledge. For example, you don't know what is going to happen in the prosecution of this case; for that matter, you don't know if this case even will be prosecuted at trial (personally, I have my doubts). You also don't know what is going to happen with respect to her law license.What you say is true, but then again, can you see the prosecution letting all this information out if they didn't feel their case was fairly solid? I mean, if they don't make their case, she's got grounds to go after them for a boat load of money for the damage all the press has done to her "good name and potential future earnings". Even if she doesn't choose to represent herself, I can see a lot of other lawyers lining up for a chance at that big a pile of government money for her. What do you think the chances whomever brought this case would have of holding onto their jobs if that happened? Not high, IMHO, so I kind of doubt this is going to end well for her. Could I be wrong? Yeah, but that's not the way I'd bet my money right now.
What you say is true, but then again, can you see the prosecution letting all this information out if they didn't feel their case was fairly solid? I mean, if they don't make their case, she's got grounds to go after them for a boat load of money for the damage all the press has done to her "good name and potential future earnings". Even if she doesn't choose to represent herself, I can see a lot of other lawyers lining up for a chance at that big a pile of government money for her. What do you think the chances whomever brought this case would have of holding onto their jobs if that happened? Not high, IMHO, so I kind of doubt this is going to end well for her. Could I be wrong? Yeah, but that's not the way I'd bet my money right now.When I say that some of the postings here display "a basic lack of knowledge", what I am saying is that there seems to be a basic lack of knowledge about how the legal system *actually* works. Presumably, she has an experienced attorney who knows what the options and alternatives are. Presumably, the same can be said about the prosecutor.
As far as your statement about the prosecutor "letting all this information out," what I have seen looked like pretty standard stuff. So I don't know what basis she would have to file a lawsuit for a big "pile of government money".
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18342142?nclick_check=1
Davidonecall
07-02-11, 03:25
After it hit the news about that big sting that was headquarter in Miami her is the outcome.
http://www.folksalert.com/featured/madam-pleads-for-mercy-and-the-federal-judge-grants-her-wish-with-a-one-day-prison-sentence/
Chitownbjg
07-05-11, 15:19
Perhaps 4 blocks from the police department wasn't the best place to set up shop!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-massage-parlor-busted-in-northfield-20110705.0, 3022489. Story? Track=rss
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-massage-parlor-busted-in-northfield-201107050,3022489.Story?Track=rss
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-massage-parlor-busted-in-northfield-201107050,3022489.Story?Track=rssAll I got was the Trib front page. Try this link.
http://triblocal.com/winnetka-northfield/2011/07/05/woman-charged-with-prostitution-at-unlicensed-northfield-massage-parlor/
Member #5481
07-06-11, 09:24
That was my masseuse on my last visit to Northfield. The time before was the hotter young Polish girl. Shame.
Another news story taking our side. I hope the link works, otherwise cut and paste.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/books/review/book-review-paying-for-it-by-chester-brown.html?_r=1&emc=eta1
That was my masseuse on my last visit to Northfield. The time before was the hotter young Polish girl. Shame.
Another news story taking our side. I hope the link works, otherwise cut and paste.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/books/review/book-review-paying-for-it-by-chester-brown.html?_r=1&emc=eta1That's lulu! Had just found out where she had disappered to.and she was way to far away.
Used to work for ronnie right around the corner from where I work.
Damn
Ghostface89
07-06-11, 10:51
Perhaps 4 blocks from the police department wasn't the best place to set up shop!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-massage-parlor-busted-in-northfield-20110705
0, 3022489. Story? Track=rssFour blocks from a police station? Before the Bridgeport Police Station moved to their new digs on Halsted there were massage establishments much closer.
I think the trick is to not open your spa up near a doughnut shop.
Four blocks from a police station? Before the Bridgeport Police Station moved to their new digs on Halsted there were massage establishments much closer.
I think the trick is to not open your spa up near a doughnut shop.If you did not know where the hell they were, you would not find it.
They were my standby go to. Always got good and full service.
Its a shame. They didn't cause any neighbor problems, they were buried in the back of an office complex.
She always had one or two ladies working. The 41 yr old looked ten yrs younger. If northfield was smart they would just make them register and pay a tax or something. Raise revenue. Isn't that the name of the game?
Perhaps 4 blocks from the police department wasn't the best place to set up shop!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-massage-parlor-busted-in-northfield-20110705
0, 3022489. Story? Track=rssOh well, I just saw the news and see you guys have beat me to the posting. I am Soooo glad that we are all being watched out for and being protected from, those evil women of the night.
Those Leos are just mad because they are not getting any freebees. Trust me, I know many of them who LOVE to run across the ladies. Either for fun or money.
That's lulu! Had just found out where she had disappered to. And she was way to far away.
Used to work for ronnie right around the corner from where I work.
DamnI too was wondering where she went. Nice lady. Always good to me. Alittle on the bbw side but very nice person. Barney
Check it out, fellas:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43738881/ns/health-aids/?GT1=43001
Check it out, fellas:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43738881/ns/health-aids/?GT1=43001Yes, that's encouraging. Then again, with new drug-resistant strains of other STD's being found all the time, I think I'll keep wearing a coat when I'm with someone I don't know.
Yes, that's encouraging. Then again, with new drug-resistant strains of other STD's being found all the time, I think I'll keep wearing a coat when I'm with someone I don't know.Uh- Couldn't you tell me this three hours earlier, castle! LOL jk. Yeah, but still one dares to dream of simpler days when sex wasn't so lethal.
Yeah, but still one dares to dream of simpler days when sex wasn't so lethal.To borrow a line from the other side: "Amen to that!"
Davidonecall
07-31-11, 17:07
From: Rock and Roll,
Better cover up This was not good news to read:
http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-fir.070014377.html
What is the article you were trying to direct to? That link doesn't work.Here is another link.
http://abcnewsradioonline.com/health-news/super-gonorrhea-scientists-discover-antibiotic-resistant-std.html
Norma Reyes, Commissioner Business Affairs and Consumer Protection at City of Chicago was supposed to retire in June. What ever happened with that? Perhaps she could be replaced with someone not so racist. Perhaps Mayor Rahm could do away with the department all together and save some money.
Davidonecall
09-03-11, 01:47
Now why can I get that service at the Duncan that I visit. I would not mind a coffee to go with service.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-08-02-dunkin-donuts-extra-sugar-sex-sting_n.htm?csp=34news
Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thanks,
Jackson
Times are tough and getting tougher. Naperville is about the last place I would go for a massage, but what's interesting is this quote from the investigator:
"Naperville Police Sgt. Nick Liberio said residents complained about the parlor, on the city's south side, and online reviews of the parlor indicated patrons could pay for sex."
Times are tough and getting tougher. Naperville is about the last place I would go for a massage, but what's interesting is this quote from the investigator:
"Naperville Police Sgt. Nick Liberio said residents complained about the parlor, on the city's south side, and online reviews of the parlor indicated patrons could pay for sex."Makes a person think.
Makes a person think.I do not monger in the 630. If it's not someone trying to rip you off it's someone trying to bust you.
Times are tough and getting tougher. Naperville is about the last place I would go for a massage, but what's interesting is this quote from the investigator:
"Naperville Police Sgt. Nick Liberio said residents complained about the parlor, on the city's south side, and online reviews of the parlor indicated patrons could pay for sex."Good catch. I will do the same.
Also, another point about "residents complaining". That is a tactic that LE uses to conduct a bust. They will stop at a nearby home or business and inform the tenants what is going on at the place and then ask them if they want to file a complaint. (I don't think most people would actively complain about what is going on behind closed doors unless there is a lot of loitering). So they do this and then BOOM, place gets busted.
Good catch. I will do the same.
Also, another point about "residents complaining". That is a tactic that LE uses to conduct a bust. They will stop at a nearby home or business and inform the tenants what is going on at the place and then ask them if they want to file a complaint. (I don't think most people would actively complain about what is going on behind closed doors unless there is a lot of loitering). So they do this and then BOOM, place gets busted.If this is the place I'm thinking of, located right next door to the religious store, they were doomed from day one.
Al Melrose
10-28-11, 01:18
Good catch. I will do the same.
Also, another point about "residents complaining". That is a tactic that LE uses to conduct a bust. They will stop at a nearby home or business and inform the tenants what is going on at the place and then ask them if they want to file a complaint. (I don't think most people would actively complain about what is going on behind closed doors unless there is a lot of loitering). So they do this and then BOOM, place gets busted.No, there a bunch of meddling, bitter women who will complain about any massage parlor. Yes, most people will not complain, but there is a very vocal minority that does. Unless the place is far off the beaten path, it will get complaints.
Mustangs69
10-28-11, 02:07
I do not monger in the 630. If it's not someone trying to rip you off it's someone trying to bust you.There really aren't any great places in the 630. Chicago is pretty strict compared to other cites like Detroit and Denver.
No, there a bunch of meddling, bitter women who will complain about any massage parlor. Yes, most people will not complain, but there is a very vocal minority that does. Unless the place is far off the beaten path, it will get complaints.As someone who has a meddling, bitter, old woman as a next-door neighbor I can't disagree with you. However, never under estimate the lengths that LE would go for easy prey.
Keep on the lookout even more guys. The City needs more revenue.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/8620307-418/city-fines-and-fees-double-triple-for-minor-and-major-offenses.html
I was browsing through news articles today, and noticed one that might pique the interest of fellow members.
Villa Park couple accused of operating prostitution ring.
A Villa Park couple accused of running a prostitution ring that sold sex through personal ads on a website face faces felony charges of promoting and profiting from prostitution in DuPage County, authorities said Tuesday.
Michael B. Hays. 42, and Jarmila Jaksova. 29, each have been charged with promoting prostitution as a result of 'Operation China Dolls' an investigation of a multi-state prostitution ring conducted by the DuPage Metropolitan Enforcement Group, police said. The residents of the 400 block of S. Oakland Ave. Also have been charged with possession of a controlled substance after police found nearly a gram of cocaine and three grams of hash in their possession, according to court records.
Investigators concluded the seven-month investigation Tuesday, though charges were filed Nov. 3, authorities said.
The name 'Operation China Dolls' came from material included in an online ads, said DUMEG director Matt Gainer.
'They weren't very creative with their advertising, ' Gainer said.
Over seven months, detectives investigated the couple, arranging meetings with prostitutes in hotels in Downers Grove and Lisle, as well as apartments in Lombard and Westmont, Gainer said.
Two 36-year-old women from the Los Angeles area were charged with the lesser offense of misdemeanor prostitution, as were two Philadelphia women, a 38-year-old and a 32-year-old, according to a DUMEG news release.
Gainer said the four women accused of working as prostitutes were not in the Chicago region against their own will. He said the investigation has concluded and he does not expect further arrests to be made.
Hays was released from DuPage County jail after posting $50, 000 bond. Jaksova is still being held on after USA Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials blocked her from posting bond, which was also set at $50, 000.
Both have arraignment hearings scheduled in DuPage County court on Nov. 28, a spokesman for the State's Attorney's Office said.
http://triblocal.com/downers-grove/2011/11/08/villa-park-couple-accused-of-operating-prostitution-ring/
I was browsing through news articles today, and noticed one that might pique the interest of fellow members.
http://triblocal.com/downers-grove/2011/11/08/villa-park-couple-accused-of-operating-prostitution-ring/Back when they had decent women, I used them a lot. Then, they cut their rates. And the quality of the women they had. Having said that, are you sure that's not just the name the cops gave to their operation, and not the local service they went after? I'm asking because if it was the local group, someone forgot to tell BP:
http://chicago.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/china-dolls-chicagos-elite-asians-china-dolls-in-and-out-26/8440701
Keep on the lookout even more guys. The City needs more revenue.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/8620307-418/city-fines-and-fees-double-triple-for-minor-and-major-offenses.htmlWent to see a girl in the past couple of days on the northwest side, late night. The next morning I was almost shitting myself cause couldn't find a check I had the night before for a payment I had just received from work. The check was for over (unspecified amount, but it was a lot of $$$!) and I was starting to worry I had dropped it while at my session with the provider! Found it after a frantic search though, had tucked it away before heading out. Whew!
And the girl was average, not great. Woulda sucked to lose large on account of her.
Back when they had decent women, I used them a lot. Then, they cut their rates. And the quality of the women they had. Having said that, are you sure that's not just the name the cops gave to their operation, and not the local service they went after? I'm asking because if it was the local group, someone forgot to tell BP:
http://chicago.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/china-dolls-chicagos-elite-asians-china-dolls-in-and-out-26/8440701The BP ad is on Nov. 2, while the bust is Nov. 8th (probably happened the day before). I don't think ads that are placed before a bust, get taken down, retrospectively.
The BP ad is on Nov. 2, while the bust is Nov. 8th (probably happened the day before). I don't think ads that are placed before a bust, get taken down, retrospectively.Yeah, you might be right. Then again, they only post a few times a month (last one before that was a week or so before) , so it's kinda hard to tell. If it's true, oh well, it happens.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/drug-war-incentives-police-violent-crime_n_1105701.html?page=1
And so it goes. Thank you CPD!
Tampering with parking meters or pay-and-display boxes — something motorists have done on occasion to vent their anger at the deal that privatized Chicago parking meters — would carry a fine ranging from $500 to $750.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/8620307-418/city-fines-and-fees-double-triple-for-minor-and-major-offenses.htmlI have heard a story. A trick of attaching a large magnet to the boxes screws up the computer. Bye bye boxes.
Grateful One
12-16-11, 11:27
Ran across this article of counterfeit money:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/15/2852237/feds-man-passed-fake-20-bills.html#ixzz1ghLJvkay
Dudder posted this in the NW Indiana section, but she did work the Chicago burbs and probably ripped off more than a few guys there also. This is an added twist after the initial bust in Hobart.
Illicit meeting ends in shooting.
Sun-Times Media.
Last Modified: Dec 21, 2011 10:23PM.
A man charged this week with promoting prostitution in Hobart was shot Tuesday in Joliet Township, Ill, following an altercation between his wife and one of their customers, according to police.
Michael. 31, of Hobart 'suffered a gunshot wound to the back with potential spinal damage, ' Will County, Ill, police said. He was airlifted to Loyola Medical Center in Maywood, Ill, where he was listed in stable condition. Police in Illinois said charges against him are pending.
Koren. 23, also of Hobart, was arrested on charges of robbery and prostitution and booked into the county jail in Illinois.
A warrant for Michael's arrest had been issued in Indiana on Monday when he was charged in Lake Superior Court with promoting prostitution, a Class C felony. His wife was charged Friday with misdemeanor prostitution following a sting operation in their apartment in the 800 block of East 3rd Street in Hobart. Police said Koren was cooperating with investigators, who had set up hidden cameras in their apartment. Six men were charged in the operation with patronizing a prostitute.
In the incident Tuesday night, police said, a would-be customer tried to stop Koren from ripping him off Tuesday by shooting her husband with a 12-gauge shotgun as he tried to force his way into the house.
According to reports, James. 35, had earlier contacted a woman on the 'back room' page of the Craigslist website and exchanged text messages to have her come to his house. Around 8 pm Koren Noll arrived and 'began negotiating a price for a sexual favor, ' police said.
After receiving money, Noll reportedly used Wenberg's cell phone to contact 'a girlfriend' waiting in the car, but did not receive an answer. Noll allegedly said she would go outside to 'speak with her 'girlfriend' and retrieve an outfit, ' but Wenberg became suspicious and demanded she return his money first.
When Wenberg stopped her from walking out, Noll took a can of pepper spray from her purse, but the contents were ineffective, police said. Wenberg reportedly let her keep the money and told her to leave, locking the door behind her.
'A few seconds later, he heard a loud boom and observed what he thought was someone trying to kick his front door open, ' police said. Wenberg told police he grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun from his bedroom and came out to fire one shot around the corner of the wall as the door was being forced open.
Deputies report the front door had been smashed off the hinges and a shotgun and shell were found nearby. Wenberg, who has a valid firearm owner's identification card, was questioned by police and released. Sources said he is not expected to face any charges.
The Nolls drove their 1996 Cadillac to Silver Cross Hospital, police said.
Her pic is in this article.
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/9588268-418/illicit-meeting-ends-in-shooting.html
Updated link plus photo.
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/9588268-418/illicit-meeting-ends-in-shooting.html
158362
Updated link plus photo.
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/9588268-418/illicit-meeting-ends-in-shooting.html
158362These people were JUST arrested days ago. Now they're still going back to posting so soon, then are going to try to rip some dude off? After he tries to stick up for himself the husband then tries to bust this guy's door down! Wow, these guys have balls. Hope he's doing ok, but can't say I blame the man for defending himself in his own home. Wow.
Thanks for the post, fellas!
Al Melrose
12-23-11, 04:08
These people were JUST arrested days ago. Now they're still going back to posting so soon, then are going to try to rip some dude off? After he tries to stick up for himself the husband then tries to bust this guy's door down! Wow, these guys have balls. Hope he's doing ok, but can't say I blame the man for defending himself in his own home. Wow.
Thanks for the post, fellas!Plus, she was working with the cops on a reverse sting. Not sure why you are hoping the guy is doing OK. He tried to rip off a hobbyist and then tried to break into the that person's home. I am sure it was not to wish him a Merry Christmas. I think it is too bad that the bullet didn't have a lethal result.
Plus, she was working with the cops on a reverse sting. Not sure why you are hoping the guy is doing OK. He tried to rip off a hobbyist and then tried to break into the that person's home. I am sure it was not to wish him a Merry Christmas. I think it is too bad that the bullet didn't have a lethal result.Don't get me wrong, I was laughing my ass off at the office when I read the news report. Just couldn't get myself to say "glad this sob got shot!" (especially if he bites the big one) as much as I wanted to.
It's a last-minute attempt to get on Santa's Nice List, maybe he'll bring me some poon.
Plus, she was working with the cops on a reverse sting. Not sure why you are hoping the guy is doing OK. He tried to rip off a hobbyist and then tried to break into the that person's home. I am sure it was not to wish him a Merry Christmas. I think it is too bad that the bullet didn't have a lethal result.I'm with you on this one. I don't feel at all sorry for this dirt bag. He's whoring out his snitch wife and trying to rob someone. It's ok he's still alive, that way he can suffer from the pain longer.
I'm with you on this one. I don't feel at all sorry for this dirt bag. He's whoring out his snitch wife and trying to rob someone. It's ok he's still alive, that way he can suffer from the pain longer.You're missing the point of why he got shot- he was breaking down this hobby's door down! LOL. Yeah, I'm glad he got shot- sure. Putting myself in the hobby's shoes I woulda done the same. Just can't write that I wish he were actually killed, not with Christmas around the corner and all. What can I say?
Merry Christmas to all! And don't do anything stupid that'll get you hit with a dble barrell shotgun!
Raoul Duke
12-24-11, 09:01
These people were JUST arrested days ago. Now they're still going back to posting so soon, then are going to try to rip some dude off? After he tries to stick up for himself the husband then tries to bust this guy's door down! Wow, these guys have balls. Hope he's doing ok, but can't say I blame the man for defending himself in his own home. Wow.
Thanks for the post, fellas!I wonder if he'll qualify for worker's comp. In the spirit of Christmas, I wish Mikey a speedy recovery. Hey Playa, if you read this, keep your chin up. Pimpin' ain't easy. You need to retool and get back to work soon...and hopefully you've learned a valuable lesson: the customer is always right and, for chrissake, get yourself a respectable car. Image is everything in this business.
MrHandyman
12-24-11, 15:57
I wonder if he'll qualify for worker's comp. In the spirit of Christmas, I wish Mikey a speedy recovery. Hey Playa, if you read this, keep your chin up. Pimpin' ain't easy. You need to retool and get back to work soon.and hopefully you've learned a valuable lesson: the customer is always right and, for chrissake, get yourself a respectable car. Image is everything in this business.I'm glad he was the one that took the blast. That had to be an awkward car ride to the hospital. I sure would've liked to have heard what they said to each other during that time. LOL.
Sticky Rice
12-25-11, 11:49
If you have been following this story, the husband reportedly told officers that some patrons paid anywhere from $2500 to $5000 a night with his wife. Now that I see her pic, either they have really dumb patrons or his story is embellished. The fact that this guy got his money, but decided to bust down the door of a customer, shows that this is a case of dumb and dumber.
I'm sure this isn't the first time they ripped someone off. Karma's a *****.
I'm glad he was the one that took the blast. That had to be an awkward car ride to the hospital. I sure would've liked to have heard what they said to each other during that time. LOL.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/01/26/backpages-takes-heat-for-prostitution-ads-that-are-everywhere/
MrHandyman
01-27-12, 18:24
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/01/26/backpages-takes-heat-for-prostitution-ads-that-are-everywhere/ Investigators identified hundreds of prostitution ads and reported that 'nearly naked persons in provocative positions are pictured in nearly every adult services advertisement. ' As opposed to Craigslist personals like this one and this one (warning: explicit).
How did Cupcake and the other girl get singled out in the article? LOL. I guess even bad publicity is still good in this case.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/01/26/backpages-takes-heat-for-prostitution-ads-that-are-everywhere/Looks like the AG's of all those states have figured out the cheapest ad they can get for re-election purposes: launch a high-profile "investigation" of that "hub of prostitution" BackPage.
[sigh] I guess this is the price we pay for having an elected Attorney General.
Gofundme. Com / dnvqc.
Donations being taken for ex-porn star katja kassin. She's trying to complete her university education. That lady was stacked! I recall seeing some sort of documentary on porn, she was having problems with her agent, and getting robbed or something. Had to go the eventual porn escort route and pretty much hated herself. Then she disappeared all of a sudden.
Gofundme. Com / dnvqc.
Donations being taken for ex-porn star katja kassin. She's trying to complete her university education. That lady was stacked! I recall seeing some sort of documentary on porn, she was having problems with her agent, and getting robbed or something. Had to go the eventual porn escort route and pretty much hated herself. Then she disappeared all of a sudden.She was my favorite. Sucks she had a tough time in the biz.
Did you hear about this guy "Church" getting busted. Operated out if his home in 1400 block North Laramie. Anyone ever visit? LOL.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-human-trafficking-0517-20120517.0, 7226123. Story
Did anyone catch anderson Cooper couple days ago, again getting on BP's case? Arguing for the close of their adult section? This guys starting to bug me.
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/16/ac360-should-backpage-close-their-adult-services-section/
Just heard this today on a radio ad. A website where you look up got girls and pay to go on a date with them. Haven't had time to check out the details but wanted to share. Has anyone tried it? Whatsyourprice dot com.
Reminded me a bit of the radio ad I heard for findingarrangements dot com a while ago.
Something's wrong with your link.
Did you hear about this guy "Church" getting busted. Operated out if his home in 1400 block North Laramie. Anyone ever visit? LOL.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-human-trafficking-0517-20120517
0, 7226123. Story
In case you plan to be in Chicago this weekend:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/05/16/police-vow-sex-trade-crackdown-during-nato-summit/
I am just about to close my account on whatsyourprice. Here is a quick summary:
1. You buy credits upfront. 20 credits are required to communicate with a girl.
2. Most girls want $+ to meet. The girls will not communicate with you beforehand. They will setup a dinner date. Show up for a dinner date. Give you a lecture and drama about how they are no prostitutes, demand the money and leave. Never to be heard from again.
Do the math: Girl makes $+ one night a week. That is a good living. And she never has to see you again. The site is full of College girls, and good looking woman players.
But here is a big Positive: There is a saying,"Money makes the Coochie go Ouh" Unlike other online sites, where you email woman and never hear back from them, you actually hear back from the woman on whatsyourprice. When money is involved the response is guaranteed. Results however are not guaranteed.
So unless you are a big Looser, who is extremely desparate, and has to pay woman to showup for dinner, avoid this site. Also out of the 20+ girls I communicated with, only 2 actually showed. Oh yeah, the site clearly says, do not expect anymore than dinner on the first date.
And yeah, obviously no refunds on whatsyourprice.
Just heard this today on a radio ad. A website where you look up got girls and pay to go on a date with them. Haven't had time to check out the details but wanted to share. Has anyone tried it? Whatsyourprice dot com.
Reminded me a bit of the radio ad I heard for findingarrangements dot com a while ago.
Something's wrong with your link.Just do search for "human trafficking Chicago." Some guy that went by "Church" just got busted. Would force girls to work for him out of his place in west side and hit the streets.
In case you plan to be in Chicago this weekend:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/05/16/police-vow-sex-trade-crackdown-during-nato-summit/Yes, they mentioned that during the report on that bust of that church guy. Be safe this weekend, fellas!
I am just about to close my account on whatsyourprice. Here is a quick summary:
1. You buy credits upfront. 20 credits are required to communicate with a girl.
2. Most girls want $+ to meet. The girls will not communicate with you beforehand. They will setup a dinner date. Show up for a dinner date. Give you a lecture and drama about how they are no prostitutes, demand the money and leave. Never to be heard from again.
Do the math: Girl makes $+ one night a week. That is a good living. And she never has to see you again. The site is full of College girls, and good looking woman players.
But here is a big Positive: There is a saying,"Money makes the Coochie go Ouh" Unlike other online sites, where you email woman and never hear back from them, you actually hear back from the woman on whatsyourprice. When money is involved the response is guaranteed. Results however are not guaranteed.
So unless you are a big Looser, who is extremely desparate, and has to pay woman to showup for dinner, avoid this site. Also out of the 20+ girls I communicated with, only 2 actually showed. Oh yeah, the site clearly says, do not expect anymore than dinner on the first date.
And yeah, obviously no refunds on whatsyourprice.I'm down to try it. A fellow hobby bud told me porno chicks use it to communicate with hobbies. College chicks. I'd be willing to meet up a chick and put an offer on the table.
Reminds me of a friend who got a girl to give his friend head in an elevator. It cost him quite a penny, but she did it. It was also Vegas, so that says a lot!
I'll report if and when I get a chance to check it out.
Raoul Duke
05-18-12, 23:55
Speaking of facials, in Brandy Bates' absence, I'm forced to look elsewhere. Can anyone recommend a hottie that allows facials? Feel free to PM. Gracias.
Can trade lookin foe a hottoe that loves facials or anyone in the peterson lincoln area.
Speaking of facials, in Brandy Bates' absence, I'm forced to look elsewhere. Can anyone recommend a hottie that allows facials? Feel free to PM. Gracias.
Did anyone catch anderson Cooper couple days ago, again getting on BP's case? Arguing for the close of their adult section? This guys starting to bug me.
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/16/ac360-should-backpage-close-their-adult-services-section/He is so gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Our hobby is taking heat all over the world as experienced by today's headline.
http://news.yahoo.com/london-prostitutes-cleaned-streets-053158916--oly.html
Geez, what's a fellow to do?
I apologize in advance of someone else already posted this. I have never posted on the Chicago board, but if you have read (or heard of) the book Freakonomics, then you might be interested in the fact that the same guys have conducted a study of prostitution on Chicago. I have attached a news report of the study, and an attachment of the full study.
In the Windy City, prostitutes sleep with police more often than get arrested by them.
Posted By Carolyn O'Hara Monday, January 7, 2008.
Another dispatch on the Freakonomics effect: University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt (Mr. Freakonomics himself) and his collaborator Sudhir Venkatesh, a Columbia University sociologist who previously worked with Levitt to measure the average wages of street-level drug dealers (pdf) , have teamed up to study the economics of street prostitutes in Chicago.
Their recent working paper (pdf) , which they presented at this weekend's ASSA conference (the yearly get-together where social scientists from around the world preview their research) in New Orleans, is based on surveys conducted with prostitutes and pimps in Chicago neighborhoods and incident data from the Chicago Police Department. The findings? Street prostitution yields an average wage of $27 an hour, hardly worth it considering the extraordinary occupational hazards.
What's particularly interesting is the authors' section on bargaining and the law. They estimate that roughly 3 percent of all tricks performed by prostitutes who aren't working with pimps are freebies given to police to avoid arrest. In fact, prostitutes get officially arrested only once per 450 tricks or so, leading the authors to conclude that "a prostitute is more likely to have sex with a police officer than to get officially arrested by one." When freebies given to gang members are factored in, about one in 20 tricks go solely for protection and the "privilege" of plying their trade.
The most depressing news is the woeful lack of condom use. Just as with recent studies of Mexican and Indian prostitutes, Levitt and Venkatesh find that payments go up substantially when condoms aren't used. And plenty of johns are apparently happy to pay the premium: Condoms only get used about 20 percent of the time, the authors estimate. Some protection, it seems, is worth a freebie; others go out the window for a few extra dollars.
Link to full story is here http://economics.uchicago.edu/pdf/Prostitution%205. Pdf
Great books, easy reads and interesting conclusions. Unfortunately the link was moved. Would enjoy reading this though.
I apologize in advance of someone else already posted this. I have never posted on the Chicago board, but if you have read (or heard of) the book Freakonomics, then you might be interested in the fact that the same guys have conducted a study of prostitution on Chicago. I have attached a news report of the study, and an attachment of the full study.
In the Windy City, prostitutes sleep with police more often than get arrested by them.
Posted By Carolyn O'Hara Monday, January 7, 2008.
Another dispatch on the Freakonomics effect: University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt (Mr. Freakonomics himself) and his collaborator Sudhir Venkatesh, a Columbia University sociologist who previously worked with Levitt to measure the average wages of street-level drug dealers (pdf) , have teamed up to study the economics of street prostitutes in Chicago.
Their recent working paper (pdf) , which they presented at this weekend's ASSA conference (the yearly get-together where social scientists from around the world preview their research) in New Orleans, is based on surveys conducted with prostitutes and pimps in Chicago neighborhoods and incident data from the Chicago Police Department. The findings? Street prostitution yields an average wage of $27 an hour, hardly worth it considering the extraordinary occupational hazards.
What's particularly interesting is the authors' section on bargaining and the law. They estimate that roughly 3 percent of all tricks performed by prostitutes who aren't working with pimps are freebies given to police to avoid arrest. In fact, prostitutes get officially arrested only once per 450 tricks or so, leading the authors to conclude that "a prostitute is more likely to have sex with a police officer than to get officially arrested by one." When freebies given to gang members are factored in, about one in 20 tricks go solely for protection and the "privilege" of plying their trade.
The most depressing news is the woeful lack of condom use. Just as with recent studies of Mexican and Indian prostitutes, Levitt and Venkatesh find that payments go up substantially when condoms aren't used. And plenty of johns are apparently happy to pay the premium: Condoms only get used about 20 percent of the time, the authors estimate. Some protection, it seems, is worth a freebie; others go out the window for a few extra dollars.
Link to full story is here.
http://economics.uchicago.edu/pdf/Prostitution
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TinyDancer
08-04-12, 22:51
Remind anyone of Chicago? . (and perhaps this blog as well?)
A Corona Police Department officer has been fired and another resigned in connection with a Craigslist sting they were conducting without approval.
http://www.pe.com/local-news/riverside-county/corona/
http://www.pe.com/local-news/riverside-county/corona/corona-headlines-index/20120803-corona-officer-convicted-of-filing-false-police-report.ece
A Corona police officer was accused of lying in court to cover up a drugs-for-sex exchange sting operation he and another officer were running on Craigslist against department orders, court documents state.
Corona Police Officer David Stephenson Durant. 41, of Corona, told an investigator that he was under pressure to make more arrests and wanted to learn about narcotics enforcement. In the department, such stings typically are reserved for detectives.
Durant was convicted of misdemeanor falsifying a police report and misdemeanor contempt of court. He was sentenced July 25 to 120 days in Riverside County Sheriff's Department custody by electronic ankle monitoring, and ordered to serve three years probation, court records show.
An original felony perjury charge against him was dropped as part of a plea deal, Deputy District Attorney Michael Brusselback said.
The conviction comes on the heels of a criminal investigation into another Corona officer, Margaret Bell, who was recently charged for allegedly failing to report child abuse.
Durant, fired Feb. 7 after more than 10 years at the department, said on Wednesday, Aug. 1, that he could not comment on the case.
'I'm moving forward with my life, ' Durant said. 'I don't have any plans on staying in law enforcement. I have other plans of moving into the private sector. It's been a hard ordeal for my family for the year it was being dealt with. '
In court documents, Durant told an investigator he didn't know about the Craigslist scheme.
A second officer, Richard Segovia, resigned Sept. 14 after four years in the department, according to Corona city officials. It was unclear why he continued to conduct the stings after being told to stop.
The Riverside County district attorney's office investigated Segovia, but found he did not break any laws, Brusselback said. Segovia omitted the Craigslist scheme from his police reports, but admitted on the witness stand that he used the website, Brusselback said.
Segovia, now supervisor of airport operations for the city of Austin, Texas, declined to comment on Thursday, Aug. 2.
The patrol officers had been using a Craigslist sting to make arrests, court records show. Segovia started the 'party and play' stings, in which he posed as women in ads looking for methamphetamine in exchange for sex, court documents state.
The stings are a legal investigative tool used by law enforcement. But typically, they are conducted by trained detectives, approved by supervisors, coordinated with other law enforcement agencies that may be working drug cases in the area and overseen by a special unit, experts say.
'We don't particularly like that being done by patrol-level officers, ' Corona Police Department spokeswoman Sgt. Kim Velasco said. 'They can't be tied up doing this kind of investigation, plus they don't always have the expertise needed. '
In Corona, a specialized narcotics unit handles drug stings, she said.
At one point, Segovia was told by the department to stop the Craigslist stings and was being investigated within the department, court documents show. But he continued, court documents state.
He also tried to cover his activity up in court on the stand, records showed.
'Segovia had come perilously close to perjuring himself. In his efforts to keep these activities secret and, in fact, . Continued to employ online decoys, despite orders to stop, ' documents in support of an arrest warrant showed.
Segovia was eventually listed as a Brady officer, a legal term used for an officer whose credibility is questioned and whose status must be disclosed to a defendant's attorneys. This could put criminal cases involving that officer in jeopardy, experts say.
In an effort to continue the arrests but distance himself from them, Segovia involved Durant, court records show.
'Durant, himself under pressure to make more arrests and eager to learn about narcotics enforcement, willingly participated, ' the arrest document filed by district attorney's office investigator Matthew Weinstein stated.
Neither officer mentioned the online, undercover aspect of the arrests in their reports, the documents showed.
But during prosecution of one of the drug cases in March 2011, Durant was suspected of giving false testimony by not telling Superior Court Judge Edward Webster when under oath that Segovia directed him to an arrest after connecting with the defendant on Craigslist.
'He had tried to cover up for Segovia, ' Brusselback said.
Durant told Webster that the arrest was 'almost like luck of the draw, ' court testimony records show.
Webster remembered similarities between the case and a previous drug case he heard in which Segovia testified about using the Craigslist scheme, court documents say. It was unclear exactly what similarities triggered the judge to link the two cases.
The judge's suspicion triggered a criminal investigation into Durant's testimony that led to the conviction, Brusselback said.
'It was absolutely coincidental, ' Brusselback said.
Corona police and district attorney's officials say they did not dismiss any of the cases that Durant and Segovia investigated together. They said the arrests were still legitimate because the defendants had drugs.
Brusselback said that cases involving the two could prove difficult to prosecute.
Cases involving officers lying under oath or falsifying police reports are serious offenses, Brusselback said.
'The veracity of an officer is always at issue in any case. And once that's been compromised, our system breaks down in any case they've been involved in. It's pivotal that an officer is always honest, ' he said.(Lovingly, The Tiny Dancer)
SimonHeSays
08-05-12, 09:09
Great books, easy reads and interesting conclusions. Unfortunately the link was moved. Would enjoy reading this though.Just cut and paste the UC link into google and it will give other places you can get the study.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Feconomics. Uchicago. Edu%2Fpdf%2FProstitution%25205.pdf&ei=dHAeUNCiC8SEygHRnYDABg&usg=AFQjCNGvqHSNWEnzjvWYlGBb49q21Ntwww&sig2=ixM83z_hodlN-esqm15JDA
Give us a summary.
Member #5121
08-05-12, 11:15
Anderson Cooper is ex-CIA. He's probably doing CIA duty to put the heat on the industry. A culture of bathhouses and prostitution that is frequented by Chicago "boys-club" politicians. It all comes full circle.
He is so gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
66 men arrested in Cook County following nationwide prostitution sting.
By Barbara Vitello.
Sixty-six men were arrested in Cook County this month as part of a nationwide prostitution sweep dubbed 'Operation: Buyer Beware. '
Twenty law enforcement agencies in 11 states conducted simultaneous stings on the streets, in hotels and over the Internet over a 10-day period earlier this month in an effort to curtail human trafficking, according to the Cook County Sheriff's Department, which served as the lead coordinating agency for the sweep.
'Human trafficking is a worldwide concern that is affecting even the smallest of communities and neighborhoods and occurring in even the safest of places, ' said Sheriff Tom Dart in a prepared statement.
The release said local participants included officers from the Cook and Kane County sheriff's departments and from the Aurora and Elgin police departments. Information on the number of Kane County arrests was not immediately available.
Law enforcement agencies have increasingly targeted buyers of sex, also known as 'Johns, ' in an effort to end prostitution and sex trafficking, authorities said.
Of the 268 men arrested on charges of soliciting sex as part of the nationwide operation. 101 received civil citations or were charged with misdemeanors, including prostitution. Nine were arrested on charges of pimping or pandering. Authorities imposed nearly $300, 000 in fines.
PussyPoker
08-23-12, 12:36
Now here is some real police work. 66 men arrested and yet we have.
NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS OF Aug 7, 2012.
1647 people
FreeFallin
08-23-12, 13:12
Now here is some real police work. 66 men arrested and yet we have.
NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS OF Aug 7, 2012.
1647 peopleNext time I am in your city I will keep this in mind. I have never bought them I just rent it for a short time.
Be careful and happy hunting.
I hope one day I am aIble to live in a LMP / AMP free world.
Now here is some real police work. 66 men arrested and yet we have.
NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS OF Aug 7, 2012.
1647 people
Now here is some real police work. 66 men arrested and yet we have.
NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS OF Aug 7, 2012.
1647 peopleWhat, you want them to go after murderers? Those folks HAVE GUNS! Waaay too dangerous for the donut shop crowd to look into.
Nineteen people were shot across the South and West sides from Thursday evening through early Friday morning. 13 of them wounded over a 30-minute period, authorities say.
The overnight shootings peaked between 9:15 pm and 9:45 pm That's when eight people, many of them teens, were shot at 79th Street and Essex Avenue about 9:30 pm.
Then two men were wounded in the Ida B. Wells / Darrow Homes complex at about 9:25 p. M, police said. The men. 27 and 33, were shot in the 600 block of East 37th Street and taken to the University of Chicago Hospitals, police said. The younger man was shot in the head and the other in the right arm, Gaines said.
Around the same time, two other men were wounded in the arms in a drive-by shooting in the 2900 block of West 39th Place in the Brighton Park neighborhood.
Well at least the 66 horndogs were caught. God forbid the manpower and time be directed at gangs.
This is the report that was on Fox November 14th discussing the murder of a prostitute from Texas in the Gold Coast area. Another report tonight concerning Rose Laws - a notorious madam that was involved in the nationwide busts a couple of years ago.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/video?clipId=7961221&topVideoCatNo=230378&autoStart=true
Raoul Duke
11-15-12, 16:42
This is the report that was on Fox November 14th discussing the murder of a prostitute from Texas in the Gold Coast area. Another report tonight concerning Rose Laws. A notorious madam that was involved in the nationwide busts a couple of years ago.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/video?clipId=7961221&topVideoCatNo=230378&autoStart=trueBig yawn, must be ratings time. Clients include politicians, law enforcement and executives who run news organizations, the hypocrisy is mind numbing. Just just make the damn thing legal, it ain't going away. Tobacco and booze cause more problems and kill more people per annum than prostitution.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8905668&rss=rss-wls-video-8905668
Cook County LE is the subject of "Maximum Drama" on CNBC tonight.
What a complete and total waste of resources. Everyone knows none of this really happens. The morality of it all!
http://www.centersquarejournal.com/news/customer-reviews-say-sexual-favors-allegedly-offered-in-neighborhood-massage-parlors
In the news today, of the three-time US Olympic athlete's secret life as a Vegas escort. She was rated the # 3 escort in Vegas. She toured here and elsewhere. For 9 Benjamen's, her course was a Par 3! For $6K she could be had for 24hrs. She was also available to couples. Married, with child. Hubby knew about her activities, but did not approve."She has appeared in advertisements connected with everything from Nike to Oakley. She runs a real estate brokerage; delivers motivational speeches; and promotes various civic and community organizations. The couple lives in a $600, 000 home and appears to be in no financial distress based on a review of court and municipal records. A July 2012 post enthused that she was 'becoming a legend' and congratulated her for her towering rankings, (at the oThER board.) Another post wrote that she was 'an interesting gal with a real job' who 'participates in the hobby for the same reason many of us do. It's exciting and FUN." You can blame one guy for exposing all of this. When confronted by reporters, she admitted to all of it. Detailed report with pics at:
www.thesmokinggun.com
I wonder how soon the cable movie will come out.
Hadecologne
12-20-12, 23:43
And she has been in Chicago! Can't believe I missed her!
In the news today, of the three-time US Olympic athlete's secret life as a Vegas escort. She was rated the # 3 escort in Vegas. She toured here and elsewhere. For 9 Benjamen's, her course was a Par 3! For $6K she could be had for 24hrs. She was also available to couples. Married, with child. Hubby knew about her activities, but did not approve."She has appeared in advertisements connected with everything from Nike to Oakley. She runs a real estate brokerage; delivers motivational speeches; and promotes various civic and community organizations. The couple lives in a $600, 000 home and appears to be in no financial distress based on a review of court and municipal records. A July 2012 post enthused that she was 'becoming a legend' and congratulated her for her towering rankings, (at the oThER board.) Another post wrote that she was 'an interesting gal with a real job' who 'participates in the hobby for the same reason many of us do. It's exciting and FUN." You can blame one guy for exposing all of this. When confronted by reporters, she admitted to all of it. Detailed report with pics at:
www.thesmokinggun.com
I wonder how soon the cable movie will come out.
And she has been in Chicago! Can't believe I missed her!Yeah, I saw that story too. Damn, I think I'd be e willing to hit that if I had the chance (though I'm not sure I'd have given $$$$$$, m which was what they were quoting as her per hour rate)!
Jimmy TwoTimes
01-02-13, 02:07
I happen to be traveling on the west coast and was watching the news today and the web site mentioned in that news article was a featured story. Chicago was specifically mentioned as was LE usage of that site to do targeting.
Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but seemed like the story might have legs, so wanted to mention.
What a complete and total waste of resources. Everyone knows none of this really happens. The morality of it all!
http://www.centersquarejournal.com/news/customer-reviews-say-sexual-favors-allegedly-offered-in-neighborhood-massage-parlors
Davidonecall
01-02-13, 13:18
I happen to be traveling on the west coast and was watching the news today and the web site mentioned in that news article was a featured story. Chicago was specifically mentioned as was LE usage of that site to do targeting.
Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but seemed like the story might have legs, so wanted to mention.We here stories but we know is "not true". I have never paid for sex, that is illegal. I may donate some money for the time os being there and I do tip if all my muscles are taken care of. Not for sex. What happen if we like each other within adults is just coincidence. We are adult that children so it do happen. I do not pay for sex. I don't understand were the media gets that idea.
We here stories but we know is "not true". I have never paid for sex, that is illegal. I may donate some money for the time os being there and I do tip if all my muscles are taken care of. Not for sex. What happen if we like each other within adults is just coincidence. We are adult that children so it do happen. I do not pay for sex. I don't understand were the media gets that idea.We all know that this site is simply for us to come here and talk about fantasy. Gives us a chance to live out in a fantasy world things that we would do. But truth is none of this activity we talk about is true. I know the stuff I talk about is too simply keep the conversation going or to start a conversation but at the end of the day I haven't done anything illegal and will not do anything illegal. I like using the word dreams, because that's what they are mostly dreams, made up fictional tales. Just in case I haven't made myself clear, let me be very clear now, I have not ever down anything illegal in my life and never will. Except maybe a parking ticket or two.
Thanks,
DWill
Jimmy TwoTimes
01-04-13, 04:31
We all know that this site is simply for us to come here and talk about fantasy. Gives us a chance to live out in a fantasy world things that we would do. But truth is none of this activity we talk about is true. I know the stuff I talk about is too simply keep the conversation going or to start a conversation but at the end of the day I haven't done anything illegal and will not do anything illegal. I like using the word dreams, because that's what they are mostly dreams, made up fictional tales. Just in case I haven't made myself clear, let me be very clear now, I have not ever down anything illegal in my life and never will. Except maybe a parking ticket or two.
Thanks,
DWillI agree thoroughly. I noted as reference material for law-abiding dreamers like myself and the other posters who never break laws. I find the news to be a good source for the fictional stories I post. People tell me I should write screenplays because I am so good at making things up that aren't true. I use this site to practice and never post anything that actually happened- only what I imagine. Like Mickey Spillane, I never break the law, only make up stories about it.
http://newssun.suntimes.com/news/17476433-418/libertyville-spa-worker-charged-with-prostitution.html
At Dragon Spa.
No offense but anyone who let her touch them should be arrested. Ucking fugly LOL
Al Melrose
01-11-13, 03:19
No offense but anyone who let her touch them should be arrested. Ucking fugly LOLWell mug shots are not the most flattering. She is not to my liking, but if she is skilled many of us are OK with a not pretty girl.
JamesDidlio
01-11-13, 21:26
http://www.wbez.org/news/study-sheds-light-men-who-buy-sex-illinois-104858
I've been seeing posts in the past 3 months about people being asked to volunteer for a study. I think it's related to the above post.
"johns" creating brotherhood in search for online sex.
"mongers" help each other find prostitutes, rating them by looks, performance and attitudeby marion friday, jan 11, 2013 | updated 7:13 pm cst.
illinois study finds thriving online marketplace for sex trade. marion reports.
it's no secret that the oldest profession in the world has taken advantage of digital technology, but a new study shows that the men who seek prostitutes have created a sort of online brotherhood.
the chicago alliance against sexual exploitation (caase) monitored a web site called usa sex guide, chat forums for men who buy sex, referred to as "mongers."
the mongers had created a sort of brotherhood, and helped each other find prostitutes, rating them by looks, performance and attitude.
"they've found a community. they are not alone anymore, they are not an individual who is privately seeking something," the study's author, lara said."they feel they have this brotherhood they can turn to for support."
the study also revealed an alarming attitude toward violence, human trafficking and **** girls.
"many are aware they are purchasing sex from **** girls. they still do it," janson said.
it seems like police crackdowns on the streets are working. several posts warned of increased law enforcement, with some of the mongers saying it's led them to reconsider their "hobby."
"what we really want law enforcement to do is stop arresting prostitutes and start arresting johns. we've hard from their own words that is what actually will deter them, if they felt a consequence for what they are doing," caase executive director durchslag said.
They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html
Those who perform research for a living would refer to this "study" by CAASE as a "Bought & Sold". A group has a pre-determined conclusion on a given topic, and performs a "statistical, quantitative analysis" of data from an information source to support the conclusions already arrived at. Generally this is done by underfunded organizations seeking to establish credibility when they are about to campaign for increased (governmental, public) funding. The "research" is then pointed to as proof of their value, and a primary rationale in supporting the group's request for increased funding. It's also a good mechanism for creating a splash on behalf of a team leader analyst who hankers to ditch the public service gig and hit the book circuit, getting wealthy in the process. No "researcher" respecting of their personal "credibility" would agree to have their name assigned to such an obvious sham, and those who's names appear on the header of this CASE publication should be ashamed to be associated with such an effort labeled as "research". Credibility is as credibility does.
With that said, there is an alternative. Private boards.
They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html
They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.htmlI heard this story on the radio recently. Funny how all of the quotes in the article are from women.
Careful out there guys. I foresee an uptick in stings in the area soon.
"johns" creating brotherhood in search for online sex.
"mongers" help each other find prostitutes, rating them by looks, performance and attitudeby marion friday, jan 11, 2013 | updated 7:13 pm cst.
illinois study finds thriving online marketplace for sex trade. marion reports.
it's no secret that the oldest profession in the world has taken advantage of digital technology, but a new study shows that the men who seek prostitutes have created a sort of online brotherhood.
the chicago alliance against sexual exploitation (caase) monitored a web site called usa sex guide, chat forums for men who buy sex, referred to as "mongers."
the mongers had created a sort of brotherhood, and helped each other find prostitutes, rating them by looks, performance and attitude.
"they've found a community. they are not alone anymore, they are not an individual who is privately seeking something," the study's author, lara said."they feel they have this brotherhood they can turn to for support."
the study also revealed an alarming attitude toward violence, human trafficking and **** girls.
"many are aware they are purchasing sex from **** girls. they still do it," janson said.
it seems like police crackdowns on the streets are working. several posts warned of increased law enforcement, with some of the mongers saying it's led them to reconsider their "hobby."
"what we really want law enforcement to do is stop arresting prostitutes and start arresting johns. we've hard from their own words that is what actually will deter them, if they felt a consequence for what they are doing," caase executive director durchslag said.**** girls? where did they get that from?
**** girls? where did they get that from?or violence towards women?
Those who perform research for a living would refer to this "study" by CAASE as a "Bought & Sold". A group has a pre-determined conclusion on a given topic, and performs a "statistical, quantitative analysis" of data from an information source to support the conclusions already arrived at. Generally this is done by underfunded organizations seeking to establish credibility when they are about to campaign for increased (governmental, public) funding. The "research" is then pointed to as proof of their value, and a primary rationale in supporting the group's request for increased funding. It's also a good mechanism for creating a splash on behalf of a team leader analyst who hankers to ditch the public service gig and hit the book circuit, getting wealthy in the process. No "researcher" respecting of their personal "credibility" would agree to have their name assigned to such an obvious sham, and those who's names appear on the header of this CASE publication should be ashamed to be associated with such an effort labeled as "research". Credibility is as credibility does.
With that said, there is an alternative. Private boards.Agreed. I read the entire "study" and there was nothing objective about it at all. The objective was framed long before and this study just stuck with this narrative.
They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.htmlSo where's the study on Chicago's homicide rate?
WallStreetBull
01-12-13, 14:39
I agree with this I can imagine once they outreach to city pd it's going to get a bit uneasy. WTF does this have to happen? How were they allowed to take images and quotes from the site? When a user enters it states they cannot take any info without written consentt I hope USA sex guide sues the hell out of this feminist group trying to make the dreaming world difficult.
Careful out there guys. I foresee an uptick in stings in the area soon.
KalmanGoodTime
01-12-13, 14:55
or violence towards women?if this site had members promoting violence toward women or the use of **** girls, i'd be long gone from here.
Or violence towards women?What a crock of shit.
I have been hobbying for fifteen years. I have NEVER seen the crap they refer to. I cannot recall one instance of a woman who seemed scared or threatened or victimized. Are there women who are being taken advantage of. Sure. But there are way more women stuck in loveless marriages or dead end jobs, etc etc.
Men buy sex. Stop the presses. Big fricken deal. There ARE exceptions and rare instances of women being abused so in that case address the abuse not the overall existence of sex. This is like saying the best way to stop mass school shootings is to close schools. I cannot believe some government bureaucracy probably spent thousands of our tax dollars to give these crazed anti-men bitches to perform this study.
The "Research Study" quotes that at any given time 70% of those on the USA Sex Guide website are visitors, while only 30% are actual members. Ummmm, just exactly how would they know that? Isn't that restricted server data? Just saying.
They have a 112 page document from this research paper on Mongers and quotes a lot of posts from here.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-johns-prostitutes-sex.html
Does someone have a link to the study? I couldn't find it on the NBC site.
Sexymonger
01-12-13, 18:42
Does someone have a link to the study? I couldn't find it on the NBC site.Http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/FinalWeb_OurGreatHobby.pdf
Chicago Monger
01-12-13, 19:04
How about reporting on the other side of the story. How much do the pimps and girls pay the cops to stay on that conner. Or in Rockford how much the cops get from the store fronts and the drug dealers. They should interview the girls . How many cops abused them.
Does someone have a link to the study? I couldn't find it on the NBC site.Http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/FinalWeb_OurGreatHobby.pdf
like illinois senator kirk who was recently quoted as saying that backpage is a site where anyone can go "to order up an **** girl for sex", caase, the originators of the "research" paper, obviously have ulterior motives that simply brush facts aside in favor of headline grabbing sensationalism. caase wouldn't know valid research methods if they sat on them, because like kirk, it's headlines, not the truth they are after. this is the state of fundraising, politics, and "electability" in today's world. make a splash, get people talking, and if you have to lie to do it,"oh well". i've been hobbying for decades longer than fifteen years, and i am repulsed by the distorted, smear campaign this supposedly professional body is presenting as "fact". if you want an example of pure prostitution, you need look no further than caase.
what a crock of shit.
i have been hobbying for fifteen years. i have never seen the crap they refer to. i cannot recall one instance of a woman who seemed scared or threatened or victimized. are there women who are being taken advantage of. sure. but there are way more women stuck in loveless marriages or dead end jobs, etc etc.
men buy sex. stop the presses. big fricken deal. there are exceptions and rare instances of women being abused so in that case address the abuse not the overall existence of sex. this is like saying the best way to stop mass school shootings is to close schools. i cannot believe some government bureaucracy probably spent thousands of our tax dollars to give these crazed anti-men bitches to perform this study.
Http://media.nbcchicago.com/documents/FinalWeb_OurGreatHobby.pdfthanks. Looks like a long read.
http://www.wbez.org/news/study-sheds-light-men-who-buy-sex-illinois-104858
I've been seeing posts in the past 3 months about people being asked to volunteer for a study. I think it's related to the above post.I read the story and, you know, in all the time I've been on here, I can't remember one monger talking about being violent with a provider. Strange, isn't it, that they insist it's been discussed here?
A quick look at the report shows they used a very limited timeframe for the 'analysis' of posts made here: June1, 2010-August 31, 2010. Makes me wonder if they found a "juicy" series of posts that 'proved' their conclusions, and decided to just throw out anything else (they say they studied us from June 1 2010 through August 31, 2011).
Here's another link to s related story:
http://www.rrstar.com/news/publicsafety/x1353233866/Report-Rockford-has-2nd-highest-use-of-website-where-men-buy-sex
Champ Chump
01-13-13, 09:16
I read the story and, you know, in all the time I've been on here, I can't remember one monger talking about being violent with a provider. Strange, isn't it, that they insist it's been discussed here?That's the exact same thing I was thinking. Anything to sell a story.
i read the story and, you know, in all the time i've been on here, i can't remember one monger talking about being violent with a provider. strange, isn't it, that they insist it's been discussed here?i'm sure most won't agree with me and i'm sure to get flames or whatever, not that i care. you say that you can't remember anyone saying about being violent, yet the report clearly quoted the posts. i have an uncanny (and sometimes annoying) ability to remember trivial shit for a long time. i do remember reading those accounts when they were posted. when i read them, i didn't equate them as being an act of violence toward these women. but upon further ponderance, a monger just recently posted about picking up a lsw, who's english was poor and bj skills were sub-par. he stated that she wasn't allowing him to go as deep as he wanted, so his response was to grab the back of her head and force her down. the operative word being force, he even commented on the fact that she stated "me no like". i didn't look at it as "violence" but if you look at in the context of violence towards "prostituted women" it is violence. the same can be said for the **** accusations they made. plenty of times guys have made a statement of "she looked really young" but they go through with the session because she told me she just turned 19, or (and i'm guilty of this) i been seeing her ads for 2-3 years!
they also posit about sexual assaults occurring at massage parlors and i initially expressed skepticism at these statements. if you look at the situation in the light of a legal standing, when we go to the amp and move up the girls leg to the ass or kitty and she either doesn't want to be touched, or doesn't provide, that is indeed sex assault. if your daughter was a legit massage therapist, you wouldn't want one of us perverts rubbing on her body while she tried to do her job.
it essentially comes down to perspective. we are out here looking to pay for play, and will justify the situation however we see fit."i'm not paying for sex, i'm paying her to leave","we both know why we are there, so no need to play games" and so on. but if u-turn it around and look at it from a different angle, a good majority of these women would much rather be doing something else, no matter how realistic they make the experience seem. i speak on this first hand from true friendships with various providers. i'm not saying that i'm going to leave the hobby (to the slim extent that i'm still in it) or trying to tell anyone that this is a reprehensible practice and they should leave. i'm only saying that we should always remember that there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity. i will get off my soapbox now!
A quick look at the report shows they used a very limited timeframe for the 'analysis' of posts made here: June1, 2010-August 31, 2010. Makes me wonder if they found a "juicy" series of posts that 'proved' their conclusions, and decided to just throw out anything else (they say they studied us from June 1 2010 through August 31, 2011).
Here's another link to s related story:
http://www.rrstar.com/news/publicsafety/x1353233866/Report-Rockford-has-2nd-highest-use-of-website-where-men-buy-sexAs for the limited time frame, this is generally done when doing research on something that either spans a long period of time or is still ongoing. Had they selected a 4 year time period, the paper could have been 400 pages long. If they hadn't specified a period, they could still be culling info up to today and the report still will be unfinished.
Sexymonger
01-13-13, 16:23
What a crock of shit.
I have been hobbying for fifteen years. I have NEVER seen the crap they refer to. I cannot recall one instance of a woman who seemed scared or threatened or victimized. Are there women who are being taken advantage of. Sure. But there are way more women stuck in loveless marriages or dead end jobs, etc etc.
Men buy sex. Stop the presses. Big fricken deal. There ARE exceptions and rare instances of women being abused so in that case address the abuse not the overall existence of sex. This is like saying the best way to stop mass school shootings is to close schools. I cannot believe some government bureaucracy probably spent thousands of our tax dollars to give these crazed anti-men bitches to perform this study.Yeah, right! I have yet to see a 13 year old girl drugged, tied up and being forced to have sex for money. I always run into the Asian who liked about her age and states she is 25 and she is closer to 45! All I am looking for is women 18 to 25.
Davidonecall
01-13-13, 16:42
i'm sure most won't agree with me and i'm sure to get flames or whatever, not that i care. you say that you can't remember anyone saying about being violent, yet the report clearly quoted the posts. i have an uncanny (and sometimes annoying) ability to remember trivial shit for a long time. i do remember reading those accounts when they were posted. when i read them, i didn't equate them as being an act of violence toward these women. but upon further ponderance, a monger just recently posted about picking up a lsw, who's english was poor and bj skills were sub-par. he stated that she wasn't allowing him to go as deep as he wanted, so his response was to grab the back of her head and force her down. the operative word being force, he even commented on the fact that she stated "me no like". i didn't look at it as "violence" but if you look at in the context of violence towards "prostituted women" it is violence. the same can be said for the **** accusations they made. plenty of times guys have made a statement of "she looked really young" but they go through with the session because she told me she just turned 19, or (and i'm guilty of this) i been seeing her ads for 2-3 years!
they also posit about sexual assaults occurring at massage parlors and i initially expressed skepticism at these statements. if you look at the situation in the light of a legal standing, when we go to the amp and move up the girls leg to the ass or kitty and she either doesn't want to be touched, or doesn't provide, that is indeed sex assault. if your daughter was a legit massage therapist, you wouldn't want one of us perverts rubbing on her body while she tried to do her job.
it essentially comes down to perspective. we are out here looking to pay for play, and will justify the situation however we see fit."i'm not paying for sex, i'm paying her to leave","we both know why we are there, so no need to play games" and so on. but if u-turn it around and look at it from a different angle, a good majority of these women would much rather be doing something else, no matter how realistic they make the experience seem. i speak on this first hand from true friendships with various providers. i'm not saying that i'm going to leave the hobby (to the slim extent that i'm still in it) or trying to tell anyone that this is a reprehensible practice and they should leave. i'm only saying that we should always remember that there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity. i will get off my soapbox now!i agree with what you are saying that is others who see it that way. i have been around and there is storys. is not that we are abusive is that they feel like we are abusive and persistent. example like when you do a girl in greek form and at first she say no but we keep on and on and offer more donation and then we see them in pain and what do you think she is going to say. not that you were very generous with her, she is going to say how much you hurt her. she still want the donation.
I'm . I'm only saying that we should always remember that there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity. I will get off my soapbox now!I'm sure you could go back and comb out posts that seem violent towards providers, if you tried hard enough. But I'd say that such posts are very few and far between. Their report and the articles make it sounds as if violence, human trafficking and sex with minors are condoned and almost cheered up by the "hyper masculine" mongers that pay for these services.
Most people are not going to read the whole stupid report, but the article fails to even mention that these services are paid for because they are being SOLD by providers.
What about posts reporting of acts of violence towards hobbies? I'd expect you'd find way more of those cases- Set-ups, lies, scams, actual violence. That canadian fellow who got hit in the head with a hammer or something comes to mind, or the guy who had to use his shot gun to protect himself when someone was kicking his front door in (he had already been pepper-sprayed when he put his foot down about being. With all due respect, grabbing a lady's head to go farther down on you? Really? How many times has your boner been violently killed by the confirmation of fake pics!
Not to say violence isn't happening. What they claim is that this forum is a tool to condone and promote violence and all that other garbage. And they have the self-agrandizing goal to actually change Law Enforcement culture and policy with their bullsh study.
You say there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity, and that is the problem. They looked at our posts and took them to be interpreted to suit their agenda. By selective sampling and generalization, they make this forum sound far worse than it actually is.
I agree with what you are saying that is others who see it that way. I have been around and there is storys. Is not that we are abusive is that they feel like we are abusive and persistent. Example like when you do a girl in greek form and at first she say no but we keep on and on and offer more donation and then we see them in pain and what do you think she is going to say. Not that you were very generous with her, she is going to say how much you hurt her. She still want the donation.Forget about that bull report. I wan't a report on DOC! LOL. I want a play-by-play report on this guy's adventures!
BTW, I hope all you guys are having a good time, while I'm still here working, still trying to recover. Hopefully can play again soon.
Davidonecall
01-13-13, 17:59
Forget about that bull report. I wan't a report on DOC! LOL. I want a play-by-play report on this guy's adventures!
BTW, I hope all you guys are having a good time, while I'm still here working, still trying to recover. Hopefully can play again soon.Let me see if I write a book about my adventures it would be a big book. Lots of good experience and some bad one. Adventures with SW, Porno star's, providers, gang bang clubs, travels in different city and State, massage parlors, all of the Asian Apartment and Latina Apartment wow that not the ending nor counting the CL, POF and DH adventures. Sorry got carried away. It would take to long.
i'm sure you could go back and comb out posts that seem violent towards providers, if you tried hard enough. but i'd say that such posts are very few and far between. their report and the articles make it sounds as if violence, human trafficking and sex with minors are condoned and almost cheered up by the "hyper masculine" mongers that pay for these services.
most people are not going to read the whole stupid report, but the article fails to even mention that these services are paid for because they are being sold by providers.
what about posts reporting of acts of violence towards hobbies? i'd expect you'd find way more of those cases- set-ups, lies, scams, actual violence. that canadian fellow who got hit in the head with a hammer or something comes to mind, or the guy who had to use his shot gun to protect himself when someone was kicking his front door in (he had already been pepper-sprayed when he put his foot down about being. with all due respect, grabbing a lady's head to go farther down on you? really? how many times has your boner been violently killed by the confirmation of fake pics!
not to say violence isn't happening. what they claim is that this forum is a tool to condone and promote violence and all that other garbage. and they have the self-agrandizing goal to actually change law enforcement culture and policy with their bullsh study.
you say there is more than one way to look at and rationalize any activity, and that is the problem. they looked at our posts and took them to be interpreted to suit their agenda. by selective sampling and generalization, they make this forum sound far worse than it actually is.i agree. 99% of the guys on here are looking for a young, hot girl who likes to have fun. and there is nothing better than a provider who loves it as much as the hobbiest. i can remember only one guy who gave me the creeps. his posts were really derogatory to women and he apparently got off on being rough. the kind of hobbiest who gives us all a bad name. in addition, most of the **** allegations involve aa guys pimping out young girls. i avoid that completely. do your homework. don't see anyone who has not been reviewed. there are literally so many fish out there, you cannot get hung up on precarious situations. and treat the good ones well!
Example like when you do a girl in greek form and at first she say no but we keep on and on and offer more donation and then we see them in pain and what do you think she is going to say. Not that you were very generous with her, she is going to say how much you hurt her. She still want the donation.DOC, you hit it right on the head with that one! It's all perception. If she didn't want to do Greek, she could just say no. Instead she gets dollar signs in her eyes and agrees and then when she's got to scrunch up her face to take it, BAM, it's perceived as violence towards women. The spin they try to use is that she was coerced and coercion is another form of force. I say bullshit on all sides.
There was a BS artist, I think on the Milwaukee forum, that was very derogatory toward women. I believe that his name was Lefty or LookingforLefty and I'm sure that none of his reports were ever verified by any means. He was branded as someone trying to incite the darker aspects of the hobby and life in general, but all he stood for was bullshit. You can find anything that you want here but it's all heresay fiction.
There was a BS artist, I think on the Milwaukee forum, that was very derogatory toward women. I believe that his name was Lefty or LookingforLefty and I'm sure that none of his reports were ever verified by any means. He was branded as someone trying to incite the darker aspects of the hobby and life in general, but all he stood for was bullshit. You can find anything that you want here but it's all heresay fiction.I guess the people running that bs study didn't catch on that ALL our stories are made-up. I'm a virgen, I've never had sex before in my life! We're just trading stories, waiting for the clock to run while we're at work or ignoring wifey.
Davidonecall
01-14-13, 13:54
I guess the people running that bs study didn't catch on that ALL our stories are made-up. I'm a virgen, I've never had sex before in my life! We're just trading stories, waiting for the clock to run while we're at work or ignoring wifey.I'm not a virgin because of my 20 kids. But I'm a dreamer. I like to dream morning, noon and night. I just happened to share my dream by posting. I also dream that the Bears won the Super Bowl. It don't mean it happened. I'm a law abiding citizen. I don't break the law.
I'm not a virgin because of my 20 kids. But I'm a dreamer. I like to dream morning, noon and night. I just happened to share my dream by posting. I also dream that the Bears won the Super Bowl. It don't mean it happened. I'm a law abiding citizen. I don't break the law.
I get a head cold for a few day's. Don't log in for a few day's. Everthing get upside down. I hear Bears and Super Bowl in the same breath. My My we are dreamer's Maybe Next year, Dave you sure all them 20 kids are your? From what I hear you don't have time to wipe you but. And yes we are all Law abiding citizen's, But just maybe some of our providers may not be Citizen (YET) Just Maybe that is.
Davidonecall
01-14-13, 20:02
I get a head cold for a few day's. Don't log in for a few day's. Everthing get upside down. I hear Bears and Super Bowl in the same breath. My My we are dreamer's Maybe Next year, Dave you sure all them 20 kids are your? From what I hear you don't have time to wipe you but. And yes we are all Law abiding citizen's, But just maybe some of our providers may not be Citizen (YET) Just Maybe that is.The 20 kids is part of the dream. You are right I don't have time for anything. But I try to find time ffor fun. Need to. I dream all of the time.
LookingForLefty
01-14-13, 20:17
There was a BS artist, I think on the Milwaukee forum, that was very derogatory toward women. I believe that his name was Lefty or LookingforLefty and I'm sure that none of his reports were ever verified by any means. He was branded as someone trying to incite the darker aspects of the hobby and life in general, but all he stood for was bullshit. You can find anything that you want here but it's all heresay fiction.I've been crying all day.
Benderedundat
01-18-13, 02:16
I've been crying all day.Lefty, going to bring back the wheel parties at the Saratoga or whatever that motel was on 94?
Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-school
Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-schoolFrom what I've heard regarding the whole sd thing: On the whole way more expensive but talent for this area.
Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-schoolFrom what I've heard regarding the whole sd thing: On the whole way more expensive but talent for this area.
Must be sweeps week again, nothing gets viewers like a good sex story. I wonder how much enrollment on the website increased after the story aired last night?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/college-students-become-sugar-babies-to-pay-for-schoolYeah, it must be time to boost the rating, so you get hilarious stories like this one. I have to admit, I got an even bigger laugh out of some of the comments. Talk about a bunch of at morons!
How about reporting on the other side of the story. How much do the pimps and girls pay the cops to stay on that conner. Or in Rockford how much the cops get from the store fronts and the drug dealers. They should interview the girls . How many cops abused them.Boy Chicago Monger, you sure hit that one on the head! But again, the girls would never be truthful for fear of reprisals. I knew a couple of girls who went to the greybar in and were used in any and all possible ways by Leo. (Or at least that is what they told me.)
You have to wonder how many young ladies, as students at universities, see an article like that one and say "$5000 a month for what I am just giving away for free now? Hell yes!". And too, how many graduates find their degrees aren't worth as much in the job market as they had expected, and they miss certain aspects of the biz, and decide to stay involved.
Yeah, it must be time to boost the rating, so you get hilarious stories like this one. I have to admit, I got an even bigger laugh out of some of the comments. Talk about a bunch of at morons!
Was the man in Villa Park a member on here? Crazy.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/18/man-calls-for-female-escort-gets-4-home-invaders-instead/
Northside Jim
02-19-13, 13:22
Another reason I never do outcalls to my home.
Was the man in Villa Park a member on here? Crazy.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/18/man-calls-for-female-escort-gets-4-home-invaders-instead/
In a similar case the Crystal Lake police charged the assault victim with a misdemeanor, patronizing of a prostitute, charge. The attackers were charged with a whole pile of felonies.
QUOTE=Northside Jim; 1683915]Another reason I never do outcalls to my home.[/QUOTE]
Another reason I never do outcalls to my home.Holy crap. That's going to make me think more than twice about doing an outcall with any one other than someone I know already.
Another reason I never do outcalls to my home.
Holy crap. That's going to make me think more than twice about doing an outcall with any one other than someone I know already.That's just common sense. Even if it was someone I knew, I would never do an outcall at my house. You never know how someone or something could come back and bite you in the ass down the road, even years later.
Northside Jim
02-21-13, 16:13
I totally agree. The providers in this hobby can be unstable and have some unsavory friends. You don't want anyone like that scoping out your stuff. There's a lot a person can learn about someone by entering their home, things that you may not want certain people to know. I'm not saying all, or even many providers fit this description but I don't feel comfortable with them coming to where I live. I know there's a whole set of risks associated with going to incall locations, but risk is part of this game and I guess all players must pick the risks that they can tolerate or sit on the bench.
That's just common sense. Even if it was someone I knew, I would never do an outcall at my house. You never know how someone or something could come back and bite you in the ass down the road, even years later.
I've never done anything BP related because I need to be able to see the person face to face and it just feels so risky either going to their location or having them come to your place. I don't live alone so I can't bring anyone over anyway but still. Thats why I stick to SW's
Hahaha SW are the riskiest IMP from, cops to stds to unstable druggies this is by far has to be the most nerve racking. At least on BP if you go this route you can get a referral or read a few review not fool proof but a better way to pick one. Safest has to be finding an under the radar girl who is willing to meet you first to make sure you are both legit. Then it's back to the car, room or her place.
I've never done anything BP related because I need to be able to see the person face to face and it just feels so risky either going to their location or having them come to your place. I don't live alone so I can't bring anyone over anyway but still. Thats why I stick to SW's
I've never done anything BP related because I need to be able to see the person face to face and it just feels so risky either going to their location or having them come to your place. I don't live alone so I can't bring anyone over anyway but still. Thats why I stick to SW'sI have the same problem with not being able to do outcall. I myself have taken the risk first when craigslist was still up and then BP but in my time in the hobby I've learned to do as much research as possible before making the call. When I found this site I was amazed at all the info on the hobby. I am still careful in who I see which also means I see very few providers, when I find a good thing I tend to stick with her until it somehow ends most times it ends with them leaving town or getting out of the business. I'm currently looking for my next atf / regular that will not be so much $ and has to be incall. As of now I've found nothing which has me thinking maybe I should look for a stable girlfriend. I don't like being chained but man I have to get laid. If anyone can recommend someone please pm me I'm in the wicker park area and have always done the incalls not too far from where I stay including downtown. If nothing comes up I may have to wait out the cold until the weather gets better and there are more women out I tend to have more luck with young Latinas.
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